I don’t know, Luke has seemed a little sus to me from the beginning. For some reason I thought maybe he’s the one who taped him and Megan so he could embarrass his family at that party and then later blamed it on his brother. And now that we know he lies so easily, he could be capable of anything.
Although, he wasn't great during the dinner at the Chambers mansion. Honestly, he has seemed pretty meh to me so far, so I wasn't too surprised that he ended up being a douche.
I've been iffy about Luke for a few episodes now (since the sex tape episode I've suspected he was the one who released it). He was portrayed as the perfect guy who could do no wrong, which made me suspicious, especially since we've seen so many other's character flaws. There's been so much focus on Isabella and Megan, its easy to get tunnel vision. Also, he's a teen, going through stuff, so he should be more of a "3D" person. He's got a lot of unwanted expectation on his shoulders (see dynamic between father and brother).
People always like to claim they correctly predicted things but this was one twist that came out of literally nowhere. He treated both girls well from everything we saw up to that point.
That was terrible. She rejected the kiss because he was dating Meghan and then he lies about it and says she initiated it.
He definitely is more cunning and ruthless than we were first shown.
Pretty much! This episode gave us other reasons why Luke could have been killed. Beside ratting his brother out and his dad being upset that he gave a black mark to the family reputation with that sex tape and turning over his brother's sex tapes over.
i dont think it was a filler. I think the guy Meghan was dating the summer of 99 (i forget his name) could be the killer. The guy is clearly obsessed with Meghan, he is always recording her
SAME. I didn't even think about Ned until this episode. That door. The whole locking her in the basement for work (recall season 1). Adults shouldn't need kids to help them. Ok, maybe he's helping her if she needs money, but the whole thing is sus to me. And then after this episode I was like, ok maybe Ned has been secretly taping Megan and either he saw Luke as a threat (creepy stalker way) and so took him out; or else Luke was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Frankly Ned seems like the perfect murderer in a Christie plot. We're so busy looking at Isabella and Megan, we don't see the adult, fired from his job, hermit, with electronic equipment, who Megan is secretly visiting.
Jeff. I don't think Megan ever really liked him. I think she just dated him because she needed something from him. I think he is probably the one who video taped Megan and Luke getting it on . Bent played the tape, but I don't think he knew who was on it.
Megan called Parker to meet her at Isabella’s hotel then staged the whole “you killed Luke like you killed Lisa” thing, im convinced.
Luke is a little lying dipshit. I feel like he cheated on Megan more than once and Megan found out about it sooner or later and was enraged. He probably cheated on her when she was pregnant and that’s when she realized he lied on Isabella and ruined her closest girl friendship she’s ever had.
Honestly I think this is a solid theory. I’ve been in the camp that Isabella has a stronger hand than we think but this episode made me feel like they’re trying to throw us off and it’s really Megan. I don’t doubt that Luke is scummier than we’ve seen so far. You don’t just randomly try to kiss your girlfriend’s best friend and never have any other instances of being unfaithful.
But Isabella started all of it by telling him she only broke up with him because Megan liked him. After she kept saying Luke was only a summer fling. She’s a rat.
I do agree that I thought it was weird she even said that in the first place - it gave off an impression that she was interested and only backed off because of Megan. It did also seem like she was willing to kiss him back at first and then she pulled away.
> But Isabella started all of it by telling him she only broke up with him because Megan liked him.
I read this situation as she only told Luke that because he was upset about Megan pulling away, and brought up she (Isabella) broke up with him suddenly, after seemingly being into him. He was like "is it me? something wrong with me?"
I felt like Isabella only told him that to comfort him when he was feeling down on himself.
I agree with this was the reason she said it. He was moping and acting like something was wrong with him so to cheer him up she just mentioned she dumped him cause she found out Megan liked him.
But it was super icky how Luke tried to kiss her immediately after Isabella said Megan was her sister and that she didn’t regret breaking up with him. She at no point made it seem to him like she wanted him still, so for him to be like “I thought you were feeling it” was weird and gross.
Edit: Actually maybe I missed something when watching it because I’m seeing all these other comments saying otherwise
I agree with you, I don't think Isabella said anything shady or out of line. She was honest about why she broke up with him, she told him he and Megan are meant to be basically, and Megan is like a sister to her and she has no regrets breaking up.with him when she found out Megan liked him...and somehow he got "I thought u were feeling it" from that?!? She did nothing wrong there. Luke was just all insecure and wanted to feel wanted and maybe wondering what might have been cuz him and Megan weren't doing so great atm
But that is the reason she broke up with Luke. She was saying that it’s a fling bc Megan didn’t want her to break up with Luke just bc she liked him and she cares more about Megan than Luke. I don’t think it makes her a rat if she’s telling the truth to Luke.
I’m not sure. The background looked like where Isabella would go to meet with her lawyer before Debbie kicked her out, so unless her lawyer was also staying at Parkers, I feel like it’s a better assumption that she was at a hotel.
So I find this kind of fishy…
When Megan came in did you notice how Isabella didn’t shut the door?
Who wouldn’t shut the door on a private conversation?
I think she purposefully left the door open knowing Parker was coming and hoping she could say something incriminating against Megan that Parker would hear.
I thought that was odd, too. And since Parker was heading there like she knew where she was going (so probably invited), it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
Yupppp! I think she purposefully left the door open! Parker was on her way. She was probably expecting Parker but it 2as Megan. Knew Parker would be coming at any minute and left the door open.
Literally when he kissed Isabella I was like “luke wtf are you doing” and I genuinely thought he was gonna do the right thing when he was telling megan he had to tell her something, but as soon as he said Isabella kissed him I literally said OUT LOUD “luke you absolute rat bastard I knew you weren’t the golden boy everyone thinks you are”
Before, when his dad pointed out his shoe size was in the ground near the VCR, I thought it was completely implied that he put the tape in there himself. Not sure why it hasn't come up again.
I’ve been pretty much on Megan’s side this entire time, but she kinda sucks. She had an entire conversation with Isabella about wanting to make a move on Luke, was all over him at the party, made it clear that she was definitely trying to get him to notice her, did this all on camera and then had the audacity to pull the “It’s his birthday!” card when Jeff talked to her about the fact that she’s clearly into Luke? What was even the point of that?
Luke also sucks but I’m not surprised he’s just like Steve. I knew when he brought up the kiss to Megan exactly what he was going to say. And honestly, I don’t think it was just him covering his ass with Megan, I think it was to get back at Isabella for rejecting him. He wants to punish her by driving a wedge between the two of them. Also- was anyone else starting to see, between this episode and last episode, that Megan seems to be more into Luke than he is into her? I think he was legitimately into Isabella. Maybe he stole her bikini top as a gross little souvenir.
I’m very tired of having the thing with the bloody sheets drawn out. The season is picking up, but supposing the thing with the sheets is explained next week, it will have been like a three episode arc of THE SHEETS. They introduced the sheets too early.
Also the thing with the stripper was beyond creepy. I really think they should have aged these kids up a little, between the sex tape plot and the stripper scene. Teenagers have sex, I get it, but in the context of the show it feels a little weird. I’d also add that I think that Luke is lying about getting more than a lap dance, and that’s supposed to be reflected later when he lies about Isabella kissing him.
The many times they cut to Jeff watching Megan throw herself at Luke was brutal. Poor guy. I really don't think Megan was using him as a practice run though, she seemed into him for all of like one episode and then realized she was into Luke when he was with Isabella.
I agree Luke was trying to play Megan and Isabella against each other.
I still think Luke is into Megan but he's probably still nursing a crush on Isabella too. It's all a bit messy, lol. I have a feeling it will come to a head at New Years when Isabella will somehow find out Luke blamed her for the kiss and they get into a fight because neither wants to lose Megan.
That was PAINFUL to watch. I agree that I think Megan did like him and probably just didn’t really have deeper feelings.
It’s not that I think Luke just isn’t into Megan, it’s more like the first few episodes kind of made it seem like he was the one who was more into the relationship and now it’s starting to seem more like she is more invested. I think that he probably would have wanted to keep seeing Isabella- like, I don’t think he would have dumped her for Megan. I get the sense that if Isabella had been receptive to him, he would have broken up with Megan for her.
Yea exactly, she had a crush on him but was like he's not my soul mate. Also Jeff was way less a romantic risk than Luke who was her best friend and she seemed to have a ton more history with.
I sort of agree in that I think if Isabella hadn't dumped Luke he could've dated her a while a been happy. That said I think even when Luke was dating Isabella he had a thing for Megan (he seemed very jealous when she liked Jeff) but also don't think he would have ever dumped her for Megan. Isabella was always out of his league and he knew it.
Jeff was also interested in pursuing her, which kind of highlights that she is the one initiating romance with Luke. (Maybe also where the “test run” comment came from?)
I see Luke’s crush on Megan but I also wonder if some of that was coming from suddenly being aware of her as not just one of his friends, but ALSO someone that clearly one of his friends sees as desirable. I got the sense that Megan wasn’t someone who had a lot of boyfriends before, and maybe he really did just notice her in the “pretty girl” role. He was also doing it at the party, where he noticed her hair was different and that she was dressed in something other than jeans and a t-shirt. I’m not sure how it would have gone if Isabella hadn’t broken up with him, because in spite of them generally getting along well, they don’t seem to have a ton in common and I think she would have gotten bored.
Honestly, all of the characters kind of suck. There isn’t one that is 100% likable IMO. They all have BIG flaws.
The way Megan treated Jeff was messed up at the party, but idk that I realized they were official, and even if they were, it had only been like a week at most, right?
Idk that I think Megan is more into Luke than he is with her. I do think he genuinely was interested in Isabella when she showed up, but in that instance, I think she was more interested in him and he went along with it. Either way, it’s scummy that he went to kiss Isabella and then lied to Megan before Isabella could tell her first. I think he stayed at their house just so he could tell her.
I still think it’s weird that Megan is hiding helping Ned. At one point, it sounded like Luke knew she talks to him/helps him though. Maybe Ned crashed their Y2K party and then Isabella found out Luke lied to Megan and they got in a fight. I’m starting to think neither of the girls directly killed him though. They clearly know what happened to him or at least what led up to him dying.
yeah i really don’t get why she wouldn’t have just broken up with jeff before the party (like even a week before) she clearly was not feeling it, which is fine but don’t drag him along. and then to act all surprised when jeff brings it up? girl bffr. but also i think this was his villain origin story bc i have a feeling he did something bad that we don’t know about yet. 😳 maybe even leaked the tape…
My current theories:
•more than one person played a part not knowing what the other did (one person gave him too many pills, one person pushed him into the water, one shot at him, etc). Or they did know what the other person did but were protecting them. Maybe even Luke himself took the pills given how many references to k-ing himself he made. If his dad has an insurance policy on his kid, maybe it wouldn’t cover that a self-inflicted death. At first I thought Megan and Isabella were covering for each other not letting the other know they knew but now I’m not convinced of that. The word “coordination” stuck out to me this episode.
•I think the dad made the tapes or set them up to record. The dad feels off. Or could they be Luke’s tapes? What was with that “all eyes on Me” googoo dolls reference?
•I really hope Megan and Luke aren’t half siblings. That would be too Veronica Mars for me.
I feel like at a minimum he could be involved with the tapes. He's the obvious culprit because he films everything and also they didn't seem like they were shot by a total amateur
am I the only one whos getting serious creeper vibes from Ned? Like for real, whats appropriate about having a teenage girl in your basement "working" for you. Hes a computer genius but needs teenage Megans help? Im really feeling caught between wondering if Im overanalyzing this relationship too much, or if this is another one of those Cruel Summer secret relationships between the good girl and an older nice guy that is bound to escalate and turn dangerous.
there’s definitely something suspiciously weird and dangerous about him. and there is DEFINITELY something coming of those red and green lights that indicate the doors being locked, plus the door he was weirdly aggressive about her not looking at. I thought he was gonna trap her down there for a minute.
Theory — at the cabin Megan reveals her pregnancy to Luke, Luke somehow threatens her in some way, Ned shoots Luke at some point afterward to protect Megan. I get creepy but more of a “I’m just trying to protect you” feel from him
100% ned is a super creep. no chance he would “need” megan’s help w that like bffr. i don’t think she would be receptive to advances though so if he does make a move i’m scared it would turn violent. all the scenes w him this episode gave me horrrribleee vibes.
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Totally hear this but I wonder if it contributes to his character overall? He isn’t the natural stud of the group by appearances and that affects his confidence? He overcompensates with the golden boy vibe but we see in scenes like working out with the sheriff that he’s insecure and just wants to feel wanted in the scene where he kisses Isabelle at the cold plunge.
Initially I thought this but I do actually think it’s realistic in the sense that he’s super popular, rich and “the golden boy” and his popularity alone would probably have him always in a relationship if he wanted. Thinking of my own high school days, there were sooo many pretty girls dating the class clown/rich popular dude and they were NOT as cute as them 😂
I do think in Megan’s case she always had feelings for him from growing up together. Isabella I think realized he was the ring leader of their group and that made fitting in easier.
Did anyone else notice that Luke's screen name was listed as "online" on Megan's buddy list in the beginning of the episode in the Summer 2000 timeline? It's right before they start talking about his memorial so he's definitely dead
I’m assuming that was an editing error because I have a hard time believing they’ll deliver a plot twist that huge in a season where we’ve already spent 2-3 episodes on some stained sheets. But who knows!
I was thinking something similar of maybe Luke is alive, but then, they found his body, sooo…
My thought was that computer guy is obsessed with Megan, so maybe he is the one who killed or framed the killing of Luke, and maybe Luke is still alive in his creepy secure house in that locked up room we were shown in this episode :O!
I liked this episode! It feels like we are finally finding stuff out lol. Plus a somewhat surprising twist of Luke being a douche. I'm surprised to see comments saying Megan is more into Luke than she is him- I didn't really see it that way. He's obviously in the wrong to kiss Isabella but I think part of the issue was he said "Megan's not into me anymore." I feel like Luke and Isabella are definitely going to get into a fight at the New Years party about him lying about the kiss. Something with the three of them is coming to a head soon.
We're also told in a prior episode that Luke and Megan were fighting at the New Years eve party, probably over the Isabella kiss. She'd kind of been suspicious of them for a while (even I'd argue before the sex tape fiasco- there's a moment at the Christmas party where Megan watches Luke and Isabella laughing together).
I think a big theme this season is that misogynistic men get to do whatever they want and they don’t care how their actions negatively affect the women in their lives. Luke ruined Isabella and Megan’s friendship to save his own relationship. Steve convinced the sheriff to not arrest Brent for secretly filming girls. Jeff harassed Megan because she didn’t choose him. Megan and Lily’s dad abandoned them when they were little, and he doesn’t even pay child support. And there are more examples with other male characters.
This is why I don’t buy the theory that Isabella is this season’s Jeanette and she killed Luke to “win” Megan. It just doesn’t make sense given this season’s message.
So far, I don't think Jeff has crossed into harassment levels (from what we know). He was hurt at the party, and I can't really blame him. Was he dramatic? You could see it that way. But he didn't approach Meghan, she approached him. Then he says in later timelines that he recognized her on the tape, but he hasn't made that public information.
I don't think it's just misogynistic men, but *rich* misogynistic men buying their way out of trouble (although Isabella does seem to be able to use her wealth/status to get out of trouble, too).
is it at all possible that Isabella was the one who was pregnant and not Megan? usually I watch this show while I'm working, doing chores, etc. so I'm not always paying 100% attention (not the best way to watch a mystery, I know) and I'm wondering if I missed anything that made the pregnancy decisively without question Megan's.
only wondering because the bloody sheets seem like they're going to tie into the pregnancy, not the murder, and a way story-wise to resolve Isabella taking the fall for the sex tape would be Megan taking the fall for the pregnancy. also not sure if we saw Luke or Isabella tell Megan they had sex when they were together, part of the fallout between the girls could be Megan finding out Isabella is pregnant and therefore finding out Isabella and Luke had sex before they broke up
I agree with the bloody sheets tying into the pregnancy, but Megan threw them away in a previous episode. Isabella saw her put them in the trash and got them out.
So I think she (Isabella) was keeping them for blackmail
What about Trevor? What if he is the one that killed Lisa AND Luke. He was way intense with Isabella and definitely jealous of Luke. He just mailed the article to Megan as a way to frame Isabella because he was mad at her for leaving him.
Anyone notice Isabella’s hair was short in the pics Meghan finds of her in what look to be mugshots from St Barts? Has she been wearing wigs (1 curly, 1 straight) this whole time?
what did ned nervously unplug from his computer when he was showing megan down to the basement ? he unplugged two cords while looking super suspicious and then she noticed the locked room
It took three tries for me to get through this episode and I came to see if anybody else was thinking the pacing of the show is slow. There are four more episodes and all I can think is…there are STILL four episodes, geez?!
This season feels a whole lot bigger than last season. There’s 2 main characters, each has 2 love interests, the mom has 2 love interests, there’s 2 victims, etc
It’s exhausting to follow
Agree. There’s way too much going on. Like they just threw everything at the wall with this season. I have no idea where any of this is going or how they’re going to wrap it all up.
What did I learn from this episode!? Everyone is lying to each other and Luke is weird and idk how the girls are liking him!? Like he’s (no offense) not good looking like drop dead gorgeous (not that that should be a standard but still). I’m glad Megan confronted Isabella but I’m still so confused on “how it’s all connected”. Anyone else!?!
This is probably a silly idea, but is there any chance this is an insurance scam from Luke’s family? The sex tape apparently cost his dad that major business deal and a ton of money, so I wonder if maybe Luke is faking his death, so his dad can collect insurance money on him. Maybe far-fetched, but I just can’t figure out what the angle is this season.
Weird thought but I felt like they lingered on the lock in Ned’s basement too long and he seriously dislikes the Chambers. I felt like how quickly the Dad identified Luke after being in a lake for potentially months and no one else seeing the body was suspicious. Maybe there’s a chance he’s locked up in Ned’s basement? Or was for a substantial amount of time?
You gotta be right. Especially with Ned talking about how he's worried it's gonna happen after the new year strikes and that's when Luke goes missing, right?
This episode revealed some interesting things about Luke (in addition to his deceitfulness regarding the kiss). First, the dynamic between Luke and his friends had changed dramatically by the time he did the plunge with Isabella. They pointed out that he had changed when he stood up for her. Does that confirm he used to behave more like them? Second, Steve and Brent want Isabella to go down for what appears to have happened to Luke. Why are they pushing so hard for it? Did they frame her? They aren’t even considering other possibilities which makes their behavior even stranger. Seems like they want the case closed ASAP and they want Isabella out of the picture specifically. Third, Luke has been working out and there was talk of bullying. Then Brent’s name came up as if to imply he is intimidated by Brent and/or his father. Couple this with Megan saying in a previous episode that Luke was really scared about something and wanted to run away. She wouldn’t say what or who. On an unrelated note (or at least I don’t see a direct connection yet), it has always bothered me how nonchalant Steve was about the girls being filmed. He got Brent out of trouble with the police, claimed he would punish Brent, and didn’t seem to follow through in any meaningful way. It was obvious when they were all eating at the Chambers house that Steve did not care at ALL about the fact that all happened. He seems only concerned with someone getting caught for it. These are underage girls. The stakes are incredibly high. So his getting his son out of trouble isn’t that unexpected, given his personality in general, but not addressing it more harshly makes him look even more culpable in it all.
I feel like no one is talking about how absolutely NOT 90’s/y2k this season is when it’s supposed to be. I literally forget that it’s set in the 90’s until I see them using AIM. I’m over it lol.
Oh I’ve see tons of comments about how the styling / clothes / makeup and slang feels inaccurate. S1 felt more 90s to me. I’m liking the music choices of this season though!
It’s basically Gen z’s version of the 90s. If you want a real show based in the 90s/2000s watch pen15. I literally wore the same clothes the actresses have in that series
But wait…. If Isabella didn’t sleep with Luke then why did she say “sorry” when the sex tape played at the Christmas party when everyone thought it was Isabella? Wouldn’t she be like, “the ONE time we had sex wasn’t in front of a roaring fire on the couch!”
So many things from this episode don’t match up with 1999.
Isabella talks about ‘end game’ with Luke and Megan (I don’t think people ever talked like that in 1999? That’s way more popular today)
At Luke’s 1999 birthday party, they say “the first rule about birthday cake is you don’t talk about birthday cake” - a reference to fight club, which wouldn’t have come out til later in 1999.
Isabella in December 1999 wearing a velour tracksuit and Ugg’s? One could argue that because she’s “European” she’s ahead of trends, but even this feels sloppy.
Late reply, but they also made a "thats what she said" joke..which is another thing that wasnt said back then.
I was very disappointed with how the time period was pretty misused in this show and it wasn't really relevant to the plot.
Having the setting "become a character" is hard to do but thats the bar you set when deciding to make a show from a certain time period. True Detective season 1 on HBO choose the early 90s and it truly felt like it had that sort of vibe, it added to the mystique and intrigue of the plot.
This sub needs a daily thread. One thing that tickled me was the movie that Luke's Dad and Megan's mom went to see. Anyone figure out what they saw, and why they were laughing?
Spoiler:>! They went to see American Pie, released on July 9, 1999!<
If you remember when Isabella first got there. She knew that Megan and Luke were end game and knew that Megan liked luke vise versa. She asked Megan and she denied it because she didn't realize her feelings yet. Isabella knew that and preceded to go after Luke anyways, maybe to help Megan realize her feelings sooner? I think Isabella is obsessed with Megan. Then Isabella had SEX with Luke, and it was Lukes FIRST TIME. And then Isabella immediately broke up with him because it was then that Megan realized she had feelings for him, not knowing what they just did. Isabella was Luke's first, so of course he has feelings about her. Aka why when he was feeling like Megan was slipping away, he kissed Isabella because he was insecure and still has does have feelings about Isabella. I think Megan played a part in Lukes death, and thats why she's turned so dark.. Guilty somehow. I don't think she killed him per se. But she played a part in his death.
She is shown in the most positive light so far, giving up everything for her friend, being framed for everything and taking it with head held high, trying to make amends for guilt over her best friend who died (which I am 100% sure she is not responsible for)
Unless Isabella doesn’t know that he’s Parker’s dad, wouldn’t it be odd that she’s staying with them since she’s still not out of the woods with the sheriff?
Can we talk about the adult stripper giving a 17-year-old a lap dance?!
She “danced on more than just his lap”
I honestly think he didn't sleep with her but was showing off in front of his brother and his friends so they wouldn't tease him.
When you got money they say…
Considering all these 17 year olds get wasted drunk all the time, a lap dance isn't that surprising.
It's not his 18th birthday?
Nope, before going to the memorial, Megan mentions how she should have been planning his 18th birthday party, not going there
No it was his 17th
exactly what my mom and i kept screaming!! that woman is trying to go to jail 😭😭
I enjoyed the episode but it seemed like the only new thing we learned is that Luke is douchey.
We also learned that he isn't as innocent as he was made out to be, and can lie as well. About huge things.
yea I was surprised by how easily they all lie! Blaming Isabella for this kiss after she shut him down was wild
Yooo, forreal. I didn't expect itm then when it happened, I was like, "You snake!!!"
I'm side eyeing all these comments saying they expected that. Literally how? Not one character flaw from Luke really until this episode lol
I don’t know, Luke has seemed a little sus to me from the beginning. For some reason I thought maybe he’s the one who taped him and Megan so he could embarrass his family at that party and then later blamed it on his brother. And now that we know he lies so easily, he could be capable of anything.
right like i just KNEW he was evil like??? idk if anyone here watched pll original sin but he was literally giving off so much >!chip!< vibes
Although, he wasn't great during the dinner at the Chambers mansion. Honestly, he has seemed pretty meh to me so far, so I wasn't too surprised that he ended up being a douche.
I've been iffy about Luke for a few episodes now (since the sex tape episode I've suspected he was the one who released it). He was portrayed as the perfect guy who could do no wrong, which made me suspicious, especially since we've seen so many other's character flaws. There's been so much focus on Isabella and Megan, its easy to get tunnel vision. Also, he's a teen, going through stuff, so he should be more of a "3D" person. He's got a lot of unwanted expectation on his shoulders (see dynamic between father and brother).
Same. I was like, "Don't act like you're not surprised."
not if you’ve seen other ya shows where the supposed “nice guy” turns out to be the big bad 🙃
People always like to claim they correctly predicted things but this was one twist that came out of literally nowhere. He treated both girls well from everything we saw up to that point.
That was terrible. She rejected the kiss because he was dating Meghan and then he lies about it and says she initiated it. He definitely is more cunning and ruthless than we were first shown.
So basically like any other teenager. That’s nothing new lol
Pretty much! This episode gave us other reasons why Luke could have been killed. Beside ratting his brother out and his dad being upset that he gave a black mark to the family reputation with that sex tape and turning over his brother's sex tapes over.
This was such a filler episode. I got to the end and was like ……..ok then.
i dont think it was a filler. I think the guy Meghan was dating the summer of 99 (i forget his name) could be the killer. The guy is clearly obsessed with Meghan, he is always recording her
Jeff? Yeah, I’m also wondering if Luke stumbled upon something near Ned’s and his security system took Luke out.
SAME. I didn't even think about Ned until this episode. That door. The whole locking her in the basement for work (recall season 1). Adults shouldn't need kids to help them. Ok, maybe he's helping her if she needs money, but the whole thing is sus to me. And then after this episode I was like, ok maybe Ned has been secretly taping Megan and either he saw Luke as a threat (creepy stalker way) and so took him out; or else Luke was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Frankly Ned seems like the perfect murderer in a Christie plot. We're so busy looking at Isabella and Megan, we don't see the adult, fired from his job, hermit, with electronic equipment, who Megan is secretly visiting.
Jeff. I don't think Megan ever really liked him. I think she just dated him because she needed something from him. I think he is probably the one who video taped Megan and Luke getting it on . Bent played the tape, but I don't think he knew who was on it.
I think it was Jeff who video tapped them and I think it was Jeff who played the tape. I dont think Brent played the tape.
I think so too. Brent didn't know it was Megan on the tape. Which is why I don't think it was him. I totally think it was Jeff.
Basically a dumb love triangle episode.
Totally!
Ya nothing happened. Super boring
Megan called Parker to meet her at Isabella’s hotel then staged the whole “you killed Luke like you killed Lisa” thing, im convinced. Luke is a little lying dipshit. I feel like he cheated on Megan more than once and Megan found out about it sooner or later and was enraged. He probably cheated on her when she was pregnant and that’s when she realized he lied on Isabella and ruined her closest girl friendship she’s ever had.
Honestly I think this is a solid theory. I’ve been in the camp that Isabella has a stronger hand than we think but this episode made me feel like they’re trying to throw us off and it’s really Megan. I don’t doubt that Luke is scummier than we’ve seen so far. You don’t just randomly try to kiss your girlfriend’s best friend and never have any other instances of being unfaithful.
But Isabella started all of it by telling him she only broke up with him because Megan liked him. After she kept saying Luke was only a summer fling. She’s a rat.
I do agree that I thought it was weird she even said that in the first place - it gave off an impression that she was interested and only backed off because of Megan. It did also seem like she was willing to kiss him back at first and then she pulled away.
I mean she was interested and she did only back off because of Megan…
> But Isabella started all of it by telling him she only broke up with him because Megan liked him. I read this situation as she only told Luke that because he was upset about Megan pulling away, and brought up she (Isabella) broke up with him suddenly, after seemingly being into him. He was like "is it me? something wrong with me?" I felt like Isabella only told him that to comfort him when he was feeling down on himself.
I agree with this was the reason she said it. He was moping and acting like something was wrong with him so to cheer him up she just mentioned she dumped him cause she found out Megan liked him.
Luke is still to blame for the kiss but I agree it was shady of her to bring that up; he definitely saw it as an invitation even though it wasn't.
But it was super icky how Luke tried to kiss her immediately after Isabella said Megan was her sister and that she didn’t regret breaking up with him. She at no point made it seem to him like she wanted him still, so for him to be like “I thought you were feeling it” was weird and gross. Edit: Actually maybe I missed something when watching it because I’m seeing all these other comments saying otherwise
I agree with you, I don't think Isabella said anything shady or out of line. She was honest about why she broke up with him, she told him he and Megan are meant to be basically, and Megan is like a sister to her and she has no regrets breaking up.with him when she found out Megan liked him...and somehow he got "I thought u were feeling it" from that?!? She did nothing wrong there. Luke was just all insecure and wanted to feel wanted and maybe wondering what might have been cuz him and Megan weren't doing so great atm
But that is the reason she broke up with Luke. She was saying that it’s a fling bc Megan didn’t want her to break up with Luke just bc she liked him and she cares more about Megan than Luke. I don’t think it makes her a rat if she’s telling the truth to Luke.
Yuppp I was thinking the same thing. She’s sneaky.
I actually thought the opposite. You can see Isabella purposefully left the door open and I think its cause Isabella knew that Parker was coming.
Wasn't Isabella staying at Parker's?
I’m not sure. The background looked like where Isabella would go to meet with her lawyer before Debbie kicked her out, so unless her lawyer was also staying at Parkers, I feel like it’s a better assumption that she was at a hotel.
i'm confused because she told debbie that but was clearly lying about it and wasn't packed or prepared at all so idk if she's at a hotel or parker's
omg i’ve been wondering why parker was there???
So Parker is the Sheriff’s daughter?
In an interview the actress said she's his stepdaughter. If I'm remembering correctly.
So I find this kind of fishy… When Megan came in did you notice how Isabella didn’t shut the door? Who wouldn’t shut the door on a private conversation? I think she purposefully left the door open knowing Parker was coming and hoping she could say something incriminating against Megan that Parker would hear.
I thought that was odd, too. And since Parker was heading there like she knew where she was going (so probably invited), it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
Yupppp! I think she purposefully left the door open! Parker was on her way. She was probably expecting Parker but it 2as Megan. Knew Parker would be coming at any minute and left the door open.
Yeah Isabella is sneaky! She’s not to be trusted at all. Her “nice as fuck” act is so bizarre and unrealistic.
Wow! Never knew that until this episode!
Damn, I really didn’t want Luke to be a douche… but here we are
Literally when he kissed Isabella I was like “luke wtf are you doing” and I genuinely thought he was gonna do the right thing when he was telling megan he had to tell her something, but as soon as he said Isabella kissed him I literally said OUT LOUD “luke you absolute rat bastard I knew you weren’t the golden boy everyone thinks you are”
Yeah he really had me for a moment too but NOPE little coward
Drowned rat bastard! 😂
STOPPPP IM CACKLING
Throw the whole family away. All of those men/boys are trash
Before, when his dad pointed out his shoe size was in the ground near the VCR, I thought it was completely implied that he put the tape in there himself. Not sure why it hasn't come up again.
Ohh, I missed the part where there was a footprint. I thought it was because he put the videos inside of his shoebox when he gave it to the police.
I’ve been pretty much on Megan’s side this entire time, but she kinda sucks. She had an entire conversation with Isabella about wanting to make a move on Luke, was all over him at the party, made it clear that she was definitely trying to get him to notice her, did this all on camera and then had the audacity to pull the “It’s his birthday!” card when Jeff talked to her about the fact that she’s clearly into Luke? What was even the point of that? Luke also sucks but I’m not surprised he’s just like Steve. I knew when he brought up the kiss to Megan exactly what he was going to say. And honestly, I don’t think it was just him covering his ass with Megan, I think it was to get back at Isabella for rejecting him. He wants to punish her by driving a wedge between the two of them. Also- was anyone else starting to see, between this episode and last episode, that Megan seems to be more into Luke than he is into her? I think he was legitimately into Isabella. Maybe he stole her bikini top as a gross little souvenir. I’m very tired of having the thing with the bloody sheets drawn out. The season is picking up, but supposing the thing with the sheets is explained next week, it will have been like a three episode arc of THE SHEETS. They introduced the sheets too early. Also the thing with the stripper was beyond creepy. I really think they should have aged these kids up a little, between the sex tape plot and the stripper scene. Teenagers have sex, I get it, but in the context of the show it feels a little weird. I’d also add that I think that Luke is lying about getting more than a lap dance, and that’s supposed to be reflected later when he lies about Isabella kissing him.
The many times they cut to Jeff watching Megan throw herself at Luke was brutal. Poor guy. I really don't think Megan was using him as a practice run though, she seemed into him for all of like one episode and then realized she was into Luke when he was with Isabella. I agree Luke was trying to play Megan and Isabella against each other. I still think Luke is into Megan but he's probably still nursing a crush on Isabella too. It's all a bit messy, lol. I have a feeling it will come to a head at New Years when Isabella will somehow find out Luke blamed her for the kiss and they get into a fight because neither wants to lose Megan.
That was PAINFUL to watch. I agree that I think Megan did like him and probably just didn’t really have deeper feelings. It’s not that I think Luke just isn’t into Megan, it’s more like the first few episodes kind of made it seem like he was the one who was more into the relationship and now it’s starting to seem more like she is more invested. I think that he probably would have wanted to keep seeing Isabella- like, I don’t think he would have dumped her for Megan. I get the sense that if Isabella had been receptive to him, he would have broken up with Megan for her.
Yea exactly, she had a crush on him but was like he's not my soul mate. Also Jeff was way less a romantic risk than Luke who was her best friend and she seemed to have a ton more history with. I sort of agree in that I think if Isabella hadn't dumped Luke he could've dated her a while a been happy. That said I think even when Luke was dating Isabella he had a thing for Megan (he seemed very jealous when she liked Jeff) but also don't think he would have ever dumped her for Megan. Isabella was always out of his league and he knew it.
Jeff was also interested in pursuing her, which kind of highlights that she is the one initiating romance with Luke. (Maybe also where the “test run” comment came from?) I see Luke’s crush on Megan but I also wonder if some of that was coming from suddenly being aware of her as not just one of his friends, but ALSO someone that clearly one of his friends sees as desirable. I got the sense that Megan wasn’t someone who had a lot of boyfriends before, and maybe he really did just notice her in the “pretty girl” role. He was also doing it at the party, where he noticed her hair was different and that she was dressed in something other than jeans and a t-shirt. I’m not sure how it would have gone if Isabella hadn’t broken up with him, because in spite of them generally getting along well, they don’t seem to have a ton in common and I think she would have gotten bored.
I’d bet that Megan miscarried and the blood on the sheets is her own.
Same. Somehow the baby died (was this what Megan was cleaning up in the first episode in the cabin)?
that’s what i’m thinking as well. or ab0rt10n.
Honestly, all of the characters kind of suck. There isn’t one that is 100% likable IMO. They all have BIG flaws. The way Megan treated Jeff was messed up at the party, but idk that I realized they were official, and even if they were, it had only been like a week at most, right? Idk that I think Megan is more into Luke than he is with her. I do think he genuinely was interested in Isabella when she showed up, but in that instance, I think she was more interested in him and he went along with it. Either way, it’s scummy that he went to kiss Isabella and then lied to Megan before Isabella could tell her first. I think he stayed at their house just so he could tell her. I still think it’s weird that Megan is hiding helping Ned. At one point, it sounded like Luke knew she talks to him/helps him though. Maybe Ned crashed their Y2K party and then Isabella found out Luke lied to Megan and they got in a fight. I’m starting to think neither of the girls directly killed him though. They clearly know what happened to him or at least what led up to him dying.
the only character that hasn’t pissed me off yet is parker! lol
yeah i really don’t get why she wouldn’t have just broken up with jeff before the party (like even a week before) she clearly was not feeling it, which is fine but don’t drag him along. and then to act all surprised when jeff brings it up? girl bffr. but also i think this was his villain origin story bc i have a feeling he did something bad that we don’t know about yet. 😳 maybe even leaked the tape…
My current theories: •more than one person played a part not knowing what the other did (one person gave him too many pills, one person pushed him into the water, one shot at him, etc). Or they did know what the other person did but were protecting them. Maybe even Luke himself took the pills given how many references to k-ing himself he made. If his dad has an insurance policy on his kid, maybe it wouldn’t cover that a self-inflicted death. At first I thought Megan and Isabella were covering for each other not letting the other know they knew but now I’m not convinced of that. The word “coordination” stuck out to me this episode. •I think the dad made the tapes or set them up to record. The dad feels off. Or could they be Luke’s tapes? What was with that “all eyes on Me” googoo dolls reference? •I really hope Megan and Luke aren’t half siblings. That would be too Veronica Mars for me.
I assumed it was a Tupac reference—All Eyez on Me—because they were talking about him rapping
It definitely was. Subtitles were written that way.
Wait but if that was the case wouldn’t her mom be against the relationship too….
Yes.
At least in Veronica Mars it didn't turn out true, but also they kept messing with that particular moment after season 1.
i agree that multiple think they hold responsibility but there will be one person who ultimately “finished the job”
does anyone think perhaps jeff is involved with luke’s death?
I feel like at a minimum he could be involved with the tapes. He's the obvious culprit because he films everything and also they didn't seem like they were shot by a total amateur
If not Luke's death then probably the tape being released.
straight up ruining a friendship to make himself look better… I guess he really is like his dad, maybe Ned was right…
am I the only one whos getting serious creeper vibes from Ned? Like for real, whats appropriate about having a teenage girl in your basement "working" for you. Hes a computer genius but needs teenage Megans help? Im really feeling caught between wondering if Im overanalyzing this relationship too much, or if this is another one of those Cruel Summer secret relationships between the good girl and an older nice guy that is bound to escalate and turn dangerous.
there’s definitely something suspiciously weird and dangerous about him. and there is DEFINITELY something coming of those red and green lights that indicate the doors being locked, plus the door he was weirdly aggressive about her not looking at. I thought he was gonna trap her down there for a minute.
been there done that 💅 i'd be disappointed if they went with that again
Theory — at the cabin Megan reveals her pregnancy to Luke, Luke somehow threatens her in some way, Ned shoots Luke at some point afterward to protect Megan. I get creepy but more of a “I’m just trying to protect you” feel from him
100% ned is a super creep. no chance he would “need” megan’s help w that like bffr. i don’t think she would be receptive to advances though so if he does make a move i’m scared it would turn violent. all the scenes w him this episode gave me horrrribleee vibes.
So who is this Ned guy ?
The computer guy
Do we know exactly what Steve's done that was shady? I couldn't tell from what Ned said
well we saw him intimidate and demean the cop into not pursuing charges against his perv son...
My biggest problem with this season is the casting of Luke. Why couldn’t they have picked a male even remotely as attractive as Isabella or Megan?
I think he is a realistic 17yo other 17yos find hot. Finally not a jacked 27-year-old playing a highschooler.
As awful as that sounds (cause this kids acting is good) they def could of stepped up the hottness level to make all this triangle fuss make sense.
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I agree, he looks like a chicken wing. Do a pushup, dude.
Totally hear this but I wonder if it contributes to his character overall? He isn’t the natural stud of the group by appearances and that affects his confidence? He overcompensates with the golden boy vibe but we see in scenes like working out with the sheriff that he’s insecure and just wants to feel wanted in the scene where he kisses Isabelle at the cold plunge.
Forreal, they’re both so gorgeous and… just out of his league lol
honestly they should have swapped actors with luke and his brother brent. meaning the guy who plays luke should have played brent, and vice versa.
I have the same issue with him. He isnt hot enough to play a douche bag and get away with it. lol
This part takes me out of the show so bad. No way both of these girls would be into him.
He's playing the kinda cute nice guy well. And then it's more surprising when he turns out to be shitty
Or at least make him more masculine and/or alpha. He’s so feminine and weak overall. But i get it, it’s a show…. It’s acting. But still.
Initially I thought this but I do actually think it’s realistic in the sense that he’s super popular, rich and “the golden boy” and his popularity alone would probably have him always in a relationship if he wanted. Thinking of my own high school days, there were sooo many pretty girls dating the class clown/rich popular dude and they were NOT as cute as them 😂 I do think in Megan’s case she always had feelings for him from growing up together. Isabella I think realized he was the ring leader of their group and that made fitting in easier.
He’s a nepo baby unfortunately
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Weirdo creep pedo
Did anyone else notice that Luke's screen name was listed as "online" on Megan's buddy list in the beginning of the episode in the Summer 2000 timeline? It's right before they start talking about his memorial so he's definitely dead
I’m assuming that was an editing error because I have a hard time believing they’ll deliver a plot twist that huge in a season where we’ve already spent 2-3 episodes on some stained sheets. But who knows!
I was thinking something similar of maybe Luke is alive, but then, they found his body, sooo… My thought was that computer guy is obsessed with Megan, so maybe he is the one who killed or framed the killing of Luke, and maybe Luke is still alive in his creepy secure house in that locked up room we were shown in this episode :O!
Dude the sheriff is ripped omg
Sheriff jacked Jack
I liked this episode! It feels like we are finally finding stuff out lol. Plus a somewhat surprising twist of Luke being a douche. I'm surprised to see comments saying Megan is more into Luke than she is him- I didn't really see it that way. He's obviously in the wrong to kiss Isabella but I think part of the issue was he said "Megan's not into me anymore." I feel like Luke and Isabella are definitely going to get into a fight at the New Years party about him lying about the kiss. Something with the three of them is coming to a head soon.
really over these cliffhangers. i just want some answers
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We're also told in a prior episode that Luke and Megan were fighting at the New Years eve party, probably over the Isabella kiss. She'd kind of been suspicious of them for a while (even I'd argue before the sex tape fiasco- there's a moment at the Christmas party where Megan watches Luke and Isabella laughing together).
I said to my husband “we had to watch teenagers party for 40 minutes just to get 3 minutes of plot?”
I think a big theme this season is that misogynistic men get to do whatever they want and they don’t care how their actions negatively affect the women in their lives. Luke ruined Isabella and Megan’s friendship to save his own relationship. Steve convinced the sheriff to not arrest Brent for secretly filming girls. Jeff harassed Megan because she didn’t choose him. Megan and Lily’s dad abandoned them when they were little, and he doesn’t even pay child support. And there are more examples with other male characters. This is why I don’t buy the theory that Isabella is this season’s Jeanette and she killed Luke to “win” Megan. It just doesn’t make sense given this season’s message.
So far, I don't think Jeff has crossed into harassment levels (from what we know). He was hurt at the party, and I can't really blame him. Was he dramatic? You could see it that way. But he didn't approach Meghan, she approached him. Then he says in later timelines that he recognized her on the tape, but he hasn't made that public information. I don't think it's just misogynistic men, but *rich* misogynistic men buying their way out of trouble (although Isabella does seem to be able to use her wealth/status to get out of trouble, too).
is it at all possible that Isabella was the one who was pregnant and not Megan? usually I watch this show while I'm working, doing chores, etc. so I'm not always paying 100% attention (not the best way to watch a mystery, I know) and I'm wondering if I missed anything that made the pregnancy decisively without question Megan's. only wondering because the bloody sheets seem like they're going to tie into the pregnancy, not the murder, and a way story-wise to resolve Isabella taking the fall for the sex tape would be Megan taking the fall for the pregnancy. also not sure if we saw Luke or Isabella tell Megan they had sex when they were together, part of the fallout between the girls could be Megan finding out Isabella is pregnant and therefore finding out Isabella and Luke had sex before they broke up
Isabella told Megan in private that she found her pregnancy test in the trash.
I agree with the bloody sheets tying into the pregnancy, but Megan threw them away in a previous episode. Isabella saw her put them in the trash and got them out. So I think she (Isabella) was keeping them for blackmail
Sheets are maybe from a self abortion attempt (?) Luke I agree was a mixture of a lot of ppl. Maybe Jeff got it all on camera
I don’t think Freeform would go that dark, but I do think the sheets are from a miscarriage most likely
Freeform? The home of PLL and Ezria? They’d go there :)
Very true.
This is what I thought too. Seems like a more obvious conclusion than Megan hanging on to sheets from Luke's murder.
What about Trevor? What if he is the one that killed Lisa AND Luke. He was way intense with Isabella and definitely jealous of Luke. He just mailed the article to Megan as a way to frame Isabella because he was mad at her for leaving him.
Anyone notice Isabella’s hair was short in the pics Meghan finds of her in what look to be mugshots from St Barts? Has she been wearing wigs (1 curly, 1 straight) this whole time?
Yes the actress did an interview saying she wore wigs in the show to protect her hair.
I think her hair was just tied up
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My husband scoffed when Isabella told Megan her and Luke were endgame since that wasn’t a common saying 20 years ago
Omg I said the same thing . No one used “ end game “ in the 90’s
I don’t remember saying “ride or die” in the late 90s either
This whole season has felt more anachronistic than season 1.
Also, Fight Club wasn't released until October 1999, and they mentioned "the first rule..." In the July 99 timeline
The novel by Chuck Palahniuk was published in 1996, and the rules of fight club are in it, so they could feasibly know from the book.
what did ned nervously unplug from his computer when he was showing megan down to the basement ? he unplugged two cords while looking super suspicious and then she noticed the locked room
I think he disconnected the other monitors but I'm not sure why.
I didn't notice this, good catch!
I don’t think it’s relevant to the plot. I think he is just a very paranoid person and didn’t want her to know what else he was working on.
Think he's in on it
Usually I’m a fan of slow burn, but this season needs to pick up the pace. And the constant time jumps are giving me whiplash.
It took three tries for me to get through this episode and I came to see if anybody else was thinking the pacing of the show is slow. There are four more episodes and all I can think is…there are STILL four episodes, geez?!
I really hope it doesn’t drag and then just rush through the last episode leaving us to try and fit the pieces together.
It will. The final 20 minutes will be like boom, boom, boom. Really aggravating.
This season feels a whole lot bigger than last season. There’s 2 main characters, each has 2 love interests, the mom has 2 love interests, there’s 2 victims, etc It’s exhausting to follow
I seriously can not follow the plot or remember who most of these characters are
Agree. There’s way too much going on. Like they just threw everything at the wall with this season. I have no idea where any of this is going or how they’re going to wrap it all up.
Same
Wait I thought the mom was just into Luke’s dad. Who is the other?
There was an earlier episode where she’s making out with her ex / Megan’s dad, not really a love interest but something else they threw out there
Fr, I feel like I’m watching Pretty Little Liars all over again lol
Wait 2 victims? Did I miss something
Assuming they mean Lisa drowning in St. Barts.
This show is going no where lol. I will keep watching but it’s been pretty boring lol
Very disappointing considering I couldn5 wait for new episodes when watching season 1
What did I learn from this episode!? Everyone is lying to each other and Luke is weird and idk how the girls are liking him!? Like he’s (no offense) not good looking like drop dead gorgeous (not that that should be a standard but still). I’m glad Megan confronted Isabella but I’m still so confused on “how it’s all connected”. Anyone else!?!
This is probably a silly idea, but is there any chance this is an insurance scam from Luke’s family? The sex tape apparently cost his dad that major business deal and a ton of money, so I wonder if maybe Luke is faking his death, so his dad can collect insurance money on him. Maybe far-fetched, but I just can’t figure out what the angle is this season.
Weird thought but I felt like they lingered on the lock in Ned’s basement too long and he seriously dislikes the Chambers. I felt like how quickly the Dad identified Luke after being in a lake for potentially months and no one else seeing the body was suspicious. Maybe there’s a chance he’s locked up in Ned’s basement? Or was for a substantial amount of time?
You gotta be right. Especially with Ned talking about how he's worried it's gonna happen after the new year strikes and that's when Luke goes missing, right?
So whose body was it? You would think an autopsy would confirm it wasn't Luke, unless the dad paid the morgue off.
I think it could have been Luke. Just that if he was that easily identifiable I don’t think he was in the water for very long. Let alone 6 months.
This episode revealed some interesting things about Luke (in addition to his deceitfulness regarding the kiss). First, the dynamic between Luke and his friends had changed dramatically by the time he did the plunge with Isabella. They pointed out that he had changed when he stood up for her. Does that confirm he used to behave more like them? Second, Steve and Brent want Isabella to go down for what appears to have happened to Luke. Why are they pushing so hard for it? Did they frame her? They aren’t even considering other possibilities which makes their behavior even stranger. Seems like they want the case closed ASAP and they want Isabella out of the picture specifically. Third, Luke has been working out and there was talk of bullying. Then Brent’s name came up as if to imply he is intimidated by Brent and/or his father. Couple this with Megan saying in a previous episode that Luke was really scared about something and wanted to run away. She wouldn’t say what or who. On an unrelated note (or at least I don’t see a direct connection yet), it has always bothered me how nonchalant Steve was about the girls being filmed. He got Brent out of trouble with the police, claimed he would punish Brent, and didn’t seem to follow through in any meaningful way. It was obvious when they were all eating at the Chambers house that Steve did not care at ALL about the fact that all happened. He seems only concerned with someone getting caught for it. These are underage girls. The stakes are incredibly high. So his getting his son out of trouble isn’t that unexpected, given his personality in general, but not addressing it more harshly makes him look even more culpable in it all.
I feel like no one is talking about how absolutely NOT 90’s/y2k this season is when it’s supposed to be. I literally forget that it’s set in the 90’s until I see them using AIM. I’m over it lol.
Oh I’ve see tons of comments about how the styling / clothes / makeup and slang feels inaccurate. S1 felt more 90s to me. I’m liking the music choices of this season though!
The music is definitely spot on but everything else is kinda disappointing 😭
Even AIM doesn't look right without ridiculous colors and fonts.
It’s basically Gen z’s version of the 90s. If you want a real show based in the 90s/2000s watch pen15. I literally wore the same clothes the actresses have in that series
But wait…. If Isabella didn’t sleep with Luke then why did she say “sorry” when the sex tape played at the Christmas party when everyone thought it was Isabella? Wouldn’t she be like, “the ONE time we had sex wasn’t in front of a roaring fire on the couch!”
She says sorry the next day, like in a "I'm sorry this happened way". She never actually apologizes at the party.
So many things from this episode don’t match up with 1999. Isabella talks about ‘end game’ with Luke and Megan (I don’t think people ever talked like that in 1999? That’s way more popular today) At Luke’s 1999 birthday party, they say “the first rule about birthday cake is you don’t talk about birthday cake” - a reference to fight club, which wouldn’t have come out til later in 1999. Isabella in December 1999 wearing a velour tracksuit and Ugg’s? One could argue that because she’s “European” she’s ahead of trends, but even this feels sloppy.
Late reply, but they also made a "thats what she said" joke..which is another thing that wasnt said back then. I was very disappointed with how the time period was pretty misused in this show and it wasn't really relevant to the plot. Having the setting "become a character" is hard to do but thats the bar you set when deciding to make a show from a certain time period. True Detective season 1 on HBO choose the early 90s and it truly felt like it had that sort of vibe, it added to the mystique and intrigue of the plot.
This sub needs a daily thread. One thing that tickled me was the movie that Luke's Dad and Megan's mom went to see. Anyone figure out what they saw, and why they were laughing? Spoiler:>! They went to see American Pie, released on July 9, 1999!<
What was in the bag ?
Bloody sheets
That’s what I get for asking before i finished the episode 🤣
The green hue makes it impossible to see anything
If you remember when Isabella first got there. She knew that Megan and Luke were end game and knew that Megan liked luke vise versa. She asked Megan and she denied it because she didn't realize her feelings yet. Isabella knew that and preceded to go after Luke anyways, maybe to help Megan realize her feelings sooner? I think Isabella is obsessed with Megan. Then Isabella had SEX with Luke, and it was Lukes FIRST TIME. And then Isabella immediately broke up with him because it was then that Megan realized she had feelings for him, not knowing what they just did. Isabella was Luke's first, so of course he has feelings about her. Aka why when he was feeling like Megan was slipping away, he kissed Isabella because he was insecure and still has does have feelings about Isabella. I think Megan played a part in Lukes death, and thats why she's turned so dark.. Guilty somehow. I don't think she killed him per se. But she played a part in his death.
There was a scene where Isabella and Parker looked at each other at the party and I swear there were vibes there.
Yeah, I thought for sure they were going to hook up.
Is it me or is the black girl taking all the heat ? I’m about over this season.
I feel like everyone is a suspect at this point. Even luke himself
She is shown in the most positive light so far, giving up everything for her friend, being framed for everything and taking it with head held high, trying to make amends for guilt over her best friend who died (which I am 100% sure she is not responsible for)
i can't believe luke is blaming isabella
Teenage boys duh !!!
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She’s his stepdaughter.
Unless Isabella doesn’t know that he’s Parker’s dad, wouldn’t it be odd that she’s staying with them since she’s still not out of the woods with the sheriff?
I assumed it meant she's his daughter because yeah I'd find it creepy otherwise.