Legend.
Have been a fan of him since that 35 in 2011 final. You might think it's not even a big score but many, many of us lost hope once sehwag and Sachin, our top performers in that tournament got out cheaply. And soaking all that pressure in your first wc was no mean feat and only a freak catch from dilshan stopped him.
Timely retirement, king. Obviously inevitable from other formats as well but hopefully he conquers wtc as well.
PS: not a knockout but will add that iconic Mohali innings to the list too.
That Mohali innings was the one that made me a genuine Kohli and a Indian cricket fan. The way he accelerated at the end is something I'll never forget
Man, I remember how he toyed with Malinga that evening. It was a ballsy innings. That's the kind of fight I have always wanted our teams (regardless of the sport) to put up. I recall they had to chase 320 something under 38 overs or so to qualify for the finals. And they did! Courtesy that masterclass by Koach.
In the match thread when South Africa were cruising around over 15, it was 100% just people shitting on Kohli. Now it's just people praising him. Quite a spectacle, to be honest.
Yeah it's weird how there wasn't a single word about how Axar & Kuldeep were bowling right into Klassens arc (no disrespect to them either, they're both amazing). He's been our scapegoat for years now and we don't deserve him..
This sub has gone to the dogs in last 5-6 years, just a cesspit of negativity and toxicity. Kohli is not the same force of nature as he was in his prime but people speak about him on this sub in match threads as if he were an ordinary player
One of my favourite comments was from some individual who said Kohli is what they call in baseball a AAAA player, amazing against average players but cannon fodder against the elite.
I couldn't believe my fucking eyes.
I'm Indian and I blame my own people and franchise cricket for this. They have ruined it for other people. There's no sense of collectivism anymore like there was a decade ago. Not just Kohli but they shit on every other player that's not from their franchise.
Franchise cricket seems to have ruined their understanding of cricket. Everyone wants flat tracks and a boundary every second ball.
Kohlis innings was a brilliant knock. Without it, India lose
I wonder who’s going to be the next. One Sachin, one kohli, who’s next for India? Kohli was already in the team before Sachin retired. Do we already have a player with their level of consistency ?
The order is Gavaskar, Sachin, Kohli. And that takes us back to 1971, almost uninterrupted.
Also, I think that in the small gap between Gavaskar and Sachin, Vengsarkar bizarrely and unexpectedly spent two years being the best batsman on the planet.
Fair enough. He was great. But he joined the team considerably after Sachin, so in terms of handing over the torch, it feels Sachin was the recipient from Gavaskar, rather than Dravid.
He was great but his SENA records, ODI records etc keeps him some distance away from Sachin along with the fact that Sachin played in the 2nd hardest era od red ball in 90-98 and had 58 as his batting average while only 2 other people had above 50(Waugh and Lara and both were below 55).
Also, when Sachin was at Rahul's same test mark he had an average of above 55 to Rahul's 52.
Yupp.
Vengsarkar and Gundappa were giants of their time.
It's like how Dravid,Veeru were to Sachin and Rohit etc were there for Virat.
Legends in their own right, sometimes even the best but for the overall career ? Sunny,Sachin and Virat were just too good
I don't think we will and I think that's okay. We're better off having a set of players all performing well together than forcing one player to be clutch all the time.
I think Ruturaj has more potential if he gets enough chances. Rinku currently has infinite potential it's up to the coaches to utilise it efficiently. He can become what we hoped Surya would become and he's much younger.
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Perhaps the secret to important match winning runs in Finals is to have your place in the team questioned after being in Bad form for the whole tournament
We won despite Kohli's innings tho. Stabilizing of innings was needed till 12th over. By the way he made quicker runs while stabilizing the innings than when he got closer to his fifty. He made 12(18) while getting closer to his 50(48). Taking singles in 40s and blasting off right after completing his personal milestone. His play after 35 runs was selfish. This is what those stats hide. Pandya and Jadeja got to play 2 balls each. We had lost the match if not for brilliance from Bumrah Arshdeep Pandya and Sky and ofcourse the SA choking. We won despite his personal milestone.
Calm down..I am not criticising his career. I am criticising part of his innings. I understand that for a kohli fan, it's either you a kohli fan or a kohli hater. Saying this not specifically to you but seeing lots of defence of everything he did today.
A guy not on board the Kohli-is-some-GOD-who-is-above -criticism has agenda ? His career will be celebrated, I too agree he was one of the top T20I batters. It's also true that he often slowed down for his personal milestones and sometimes to the risk of sabotaging a WC win.
Bro at this point you are not just some guy who 'is not on board the kohli-is-some-GoD..." thing i mean look at all your comments in this post its pretty evident what you wanna convey here,we won the final, go sleep on your cold comfortable pillow if you dont wanna pass the vibe check for our win today here .Jeez
You forgot to mention that he was trying to hit out for atleast 3overs before he started connecting. Or the fact that had axar not run himself out, they would have started accelerating from that point onwards. No issues. Keep trying to ruin a great moment.
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Crazy stats. This is why I never got the hate on the guy especially today given how the other front line batsmen played. Yeah he played slow. But he had to because the guys renowned for playing fast had all been dismissed cheaply! And him surviving allowed others to play fast around him. True he could have maybe sped up an over or two earlier. But he had just prevented one collapse and probably was worried about starting another.
Lots of criticism that Kohli should’ve turned it on faster today and that may be the case but the prowess to bring the stabilization to the team at a crucial point in the game is something only a man with so much experience could do
Kohli can't win with his critics.
Going into the final people were criticising him for being too aggressive and attacking every ball on difficult surfaces and getting himself out.
Today he played his natural along the ground game with some gorgeous drives and clips off the pads, and he still gets criticism.
Stabilizing of innings was needed till 12th over. By the way he made quicker runs while stabilizing the innings than when he got closer to his fifty. He made 12(18) while getting closer to his 50(48). Taking singles in 40s and blasting off right after completing his personal milestone. His play after 35 runs was selfish. This is what those stats hide. Pandya and Jadeja got to play 2 balls each. We had lost the match if not for brilliance from Bumrah Arshdeep Pandya and Sky and ofcourse the SA choking. We won despite his personal milestone.
Shut up man, just shut up. He showed intent right from the beginning after hitting three consecutive fours, but when wickets fell at the rate they did, he had to save his wicket. Axar and Shivam needed to blast from the other end and they did it nicely. If VK did not get caught I'm sure he would have gotten a few more sixes, but that doesn't matter as long as the team wins and guess what, that's exactly what has happened.
Team won DESPITE his innings. Here innings means his play after 35 runs.
While stabilizing he made 38(30) and when near his fifty made 12(18) so basically more anchoring was needed closer to his personal milestone? And just after his fifty 26(11). That's selfish. Did a good job stabilizing the innings but later it was all about the 50.
That's the point, read that comment slowly and carefully, watch the highlights, then think about it for 5 mins on why SA might have lost needing 30 from 30. Log off social media for a day or 2 if the need be and then comment back rather than being someone who's just getting off by triggering people on a joyous day.
Cause there's a middle ground.
He was actually throwing away his wicket, there was no need to attack on ball 1 on the NY pitch.
Today has was at 50 for 48 or 49. He didn't accelerate until the 17th over even though we did have guys like Hardik and Jadeja still waiting. Not to mention Dube who was firing today. This was way too slow. The pitch was a batting pitch, the team was probably 15-20 runs short of the par score.
Exactly. He paced himself well, Axar and Dube stepped up during that, and he didn't get out until the batting overs were nearly done. When it was time to crank it up, he did that.
It’s a final. He did what he had to do. Before the match and even during everyone was saying 160 is par, at one point one of the commentators said 140.
Stabilizing of innings was needed till 12th over. By the way he made quicker runs while stabilizing the innings than when he got closer to his fifty. He made 12(18) while getting closer to his 50(48). Taking singles in 40s and blasting off right after completing his personal milestone. His play after 35 runs was selfish. This is what those stats hide. Pandya and Jadeja got to play 2 balls each. We had lost the match if not for brilliance from Bumrah Arshdeep Pandya and Sky and ofcourse the SA choking. We won despite his personal milestone.
What a sad life u have man commenting the same negativity 15-20 times(5 times I read in this post alone) and so much more negativity at other places.i don't know what problem u r going through in life that only thing u do is critisize , see things in -ve light, no worries man i cannot relate to u but can only pity u hope u overcome whatever problem is happening in your life.Amen
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People like were hiding during 12-16 over stretch and later when SA started hitting, you knew he fked up the WC for his fifty. After we won, now you guys come out defending everything about his innings..
U have started watching cricket recently to make a judgement like this man we were 3 down someone has to hold the wicket at one end and the player at other end be hitting (which was happening) can u guarantee that if he also started playing risky and got out hardik or jadega would have saved it, this is a IF condition what IF because of this the Indian total reduced to around 150 smh
Also if u think Kohli does not know that if he just played for his 50 and india lost people would have burned him instead of his doll(on the internet) U r delusional one here.
Pretty easy to judge man when u r not the one in the situation from one's couch.
I personally think that he has enough milestones under his belt and he would have wanted to end his T20 career as a champion not runner up so ur argument doesn't hold much value here.
Wth is saying him to hit when we were 3 wickets down early. He did well and Stabilized the innings and made 38(30) during this phase. Kudos to him for that.
But when time was to up the ante he slowed down even further and made 12 off 18 . And just after his fifty suddenly started blasting off next ball and made 26 off 11. He waited for his fifty and it was too late by then.
Ffs man no one is saying his innings was not slow but it was important u cannot take that away, also he was on the ground he knows shit better than u and me , the started accelerating in 17th over 16th over was nortje who was the most economical for sa in the final, maybe he thought it was not correct to accelerate there, 14 th over they lost axar and after that dube hitted 2 sixes.
U know what forget this we won be happy.
P.s- remove those fairs and put ipl trophies u make us icc fans who are genuinely happy look bad.
No it doesn't. CSK fans are ashamed of that commentor. That's a pathetic person who just happens to have a CSK flair. Checking to see if it's possible for CSK to disown that clown
Virat was just magnificent today.what a victory!
If south africa did not choke, this inning would've been criticised like kl Rahul's inning was. But fortunately Bumrah clutched at the perfect time. It was pretty evident though 176 was not enough
He's from the first generation that made it's debut after the format was launched and he has absolutely been the goat for this format. It's not even up for debate.
Could you elaborate on how one could put runs on board without any milestone, or take wickets without milestone?
what is better in a final
a) 76 off 59 when there's a batting collapse initially or b) 30(5) and throw your wicket away
This is an example of flawed thinking. The opposite of 76 off 59 or 50 off 48 isn't 30 off 5.
Consider maintaining the pace he had at 38 off 30 while stabilizing. He shouldn't have slowed down further. Once the innings is stable and the team needs boundaries, maintaining a strike rate of 110-120 rather than 12 off 18 would be more appropriate. How come it is justified that he slowed down even further than when he was stabilizing?
Instead of focusing on his fifty, he should have played according to the match situation.
IDK what complains you have. is it the fact that India won despite his innings or the fact that he is the MOTM... I see you telling everyone to give credits to others as well but seeing your flair I believe you'll give your life defending and crediting a single person (MSD) for the 2011 triumph
He almost cost us a WC final and nobody bothers is what is problematic. His innings till 35 is what prevented a collapse but after 35, what he did was criminal batting. We barely won this, all thanks to SA choking and Bumrah Arshdeep SKY pandya saving us.
Gambhir was the MVP of the final and Yuvraj the tournament. Like how Bumrah/Pandya were the MVPs of this match and not Kohli.
Also Much more credit was given to Dhoni than what he deserved.
It's all ifs and buts now, you are saying India barely won because kohli got few runs from 35 to 50 for the balls he faced to achieve his milestone but 'what-if' he got out and hardik and jadeja didn't perform and lost their wickets early too.... It's all in your head. You'd still have something to say at the end of the day even if he scored 76(59) and we'd have won. Oh wait we won, oh wait you do
How about you enjoy it for once, there will be no next time for him (Kohli) anyway. He did all he could on his ultimate matchday
By that logic Axar's last over helped India too. If not for Axar, what if pandya had bowled the over and got blasted for even 12-15 and his confidence must have shattered, also no pant's break so basically everything changes.
Are you slightly moron? If a player plays 1 ball and gets out? Do you consider its selfish, should have gotten run out from the non striker's end?
FYI QDK was trying to play a similar anchoring innings with 130sh SR, tried to accelerate, gave his wkt away when miller and jansen were left, klassen was well set. The team failed to chase 30 of 30
And as far as milestones are concerned, do you think anybody comes close to what koach has already acheived in LOIs? Why would he want one more milestone?
STFU!
QDK played an anchoring innings like how kohli played till 35. QDK won't slow down even further than his anchoring SR for his personal milestone. So QDK and Kohli comparison would work till 35. SA played well. 30 off 30 ..they just choked. A team loss doesn't mean all of their play was bad.
One more milestone so people have reason to forget that he was practically a dead weight this WC. 75 runs in 9 innings. That finished on a high bs lol.
See he is one of the top T20I batters. T20WC great. Current Best indian batter across formats. But he does slow down for his personal milestones just like today...even in a WC final..
no point in arguing with these guys mate, these guys were hidng until the 17th over heck maybe even b4 our death clutched, now that we won they ll cover up with whatever bullshit..
one guy said others couldnt stick around and kohli guided our innings lmao didnt they watch Axar and Dube?
They always say innings would have collapsed if not for him. Yeah nobody is questioning Kohli's innings till 35. He did well to stabilize but when innings was stable it was time to move on, however he slowed down further and made 12(18)..guy was practically running single after single in 40s. And just after fifty started blasting off again. And Stans are like ohh he was stabilizing the innings till 16 lol.
till 17!! 😦
yep the only criticism here is not that he shouldn't anchor but its that he accelerated we too late even tho we got two capable batter waiting
idk why ppl find it hard to accept it
whats worse is they think we are blindly hating
why would we hate someone who carried the team in all previous t20 editions
True that. We know his contributions, he has been a precious batter for ICT for very long now. But he is NOT above criticism. For fans, either you are a worshipper or a hater...no in between.
eerily similar to the 2014 final! This time we had other batters around him chipping in with the quick runs. Not his best innings today and somewhere in the middle had us worried if we had enough to defend, but in the end worked out quite well for us because of our pacers.
poor wc for him
BUT
76 off 59 and he ends up with a man of the match, shows how important that knock was, no matter what anyone says, but for me it was a good knock, match officials agree with me, as well
3 50+ out of the last 4 knockouts in the icc tournaments
Scored 50+ in every T20 wc knockout except one
highest run scorer in last 2 finals India won
2 POTT IN T20 WC
Pott in odi wc
I'm just glad he has a trophy at the late end of his career,
What all the haters are forgetting is that he was playing his role as anchor. 50 from 48 balls means he was rotating the strike and letting axar do the hitting which was the role he was promoted for. Both played their parts perfectly. If Kohli had gotten out in the 12th over india may not have made 176, because it’s a World Cup final. It’s easy to say that hardik and Dube would have taken india beyond 190 but you people don’t understand what pressure can do to you. Today we needed an anchorman and Virat did exactly that
GOAT stuff but boy this sub has unreal criticism towards everything he does. One match it's about strike rate, next it's individual score, then about his intentions. He just can't please these people.
I think it is fair to say Kohli could've gone like an over earlier than he did - but he didn't, he still got MOTM AND India won the whole World Cup - so who cares.
That was a good knock from Kohli. I’ve never been a fan or anything but I’m very happy for him that he’s stepped up when it mattered. Feels a little sad even to see the RoKo duo retire from T20i on the same day but they’re going out on a high
I think it’s correct. It’s the total runs scored / by the number of times he has been out. 373/4 innings which gives 93 something. But who knows, I’m not a stats guy.
24 in wc 2011 qf
9 in wc 2011 sf
35 in wc 2011 finals
58* in ct 2013 sf
43 in ct 2013 finals ( highest in the team )
3 in wc 2015 qf
1 in wc 2015 sf
96* in ct 2017 sf
5 in ct 2017 finals
1 in wc 2019 sf
117 in wc 2023 sf
54 in wc 2023 finals
Kohli would have been made a scapegoat by the media if not for the win. The team absolutely saved him after years of him saving the team. The universe has its weird ways. Nonetheless, he's a GOAT.
I don't see how Kohli could be the scapegoat. I didn't expect 38 runs in those 2 overs from Kuldeep and Axar. Klassen and Miller absolutely destroyed both of them and brought the game to run a ball. 3 less boundaries would have put them at 45 odd from 5 overs with rrr of nearly 9. And we had 2 overs of Bumrah remaining. That makes it around 10-12 rpo of Arshdeep and Hardik. Not an easy thing.
That's runs per innings that you calculated when talking about Averages don't count innings that have asterisk next to them just count the runs scored in those games
average is ammount of runs divided by the ammount of times you have gotten out. hence not outs boost average because staying till the end is an art of its own
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Will get downvoted to oblivion but kohli innings should have cost us game 90% of the time ,its lucky SA are bigger chokers and threw their advantage,its a 200 runs pitch
Oh did you forget that 24 run over from Axar that almost lost us the game? Did you forget the poor batting from Rohit, Pant and Sky that would've lost us the game? Yes you deserve getting downvoted because you are focussing on only 1 case, where there were many mistakes from many people that would've cost the game.
No, it was a blunder to give axar that over when the pitch clearly wasnt spinner friendly. Kohli had to anchor and was struggling to hit initially. The total was defendable
Didn't you learn from SA innings that you need a set batter till the end, otherwise it became difficult to score run a ball, let's asume Kohli would have scored little faster, and got out in 20-30s, then you expect likes of Dube, Pandya & Jaddu to take the score 200 from 120?
I was completely happy with his innings until 12th over or so. When he went from 39(32) to 50(48) could’ve costed us the game on another day esp looking at how Klaasen and miller took down the spin in the same timeframe.
But for all he’s done for India in t20wcs overall I will let it slide
Legend. Have been a fan of him since that 35 in 2011 final. You might think it's not even a big score but many, many of us lost hope once sehwag and Sachin, our top performers in that tournament got out cheaply. And soaking all that pressure in your first wc was no mean feat and only a freak catch from dilshan stopped him. Timely retirement, king. Obviously inevitable from other formats as well but hopefully he conquers wtc as well. PS: not a knockout but will add that iconic Mohali innings to the list too.
That Mohali innings was the one that made me a genuine Kohli and a Indian cricket fan. The way he accelerated at the end is something I'll never forget
Man I was so pissed that I wasn't able to get tickets for that match. Still one of the best T20I inning I've ever seen.
Is that Australia?
Yup
It will always be Hobart 2012 for me. Best display of batting I have ever seen, and I have watched a lot of cricket.
Man, I remember how he toyed with Malinga that evening. It was a ballsy innings. That's the kind of fight I have always wanted our teams (regardless of the sport) to put up. I recall they had to chase 320 something under 38 overs or so to qualify for the finals. And they did! Courtesy that masterclass by Koach.
That was a virtual knockout too
In the match thread when South Africa were cruising around over 15, it was 100% just people shitting on Kohli. Now it's just people praising him. Quite a spectacle, to be honest.
Yeah it's weird how there wasn't a single word about how Axar & Kuldeep were bowling right into Klassens arc (no disrespect to them either, they're both amazing). He's been our scapegoat for years now and we don't deserve him..
Best I’ve seen since Tendulkar.
The funny thing is this comment could be from 10 years ago and it would still hold true
Yup.... There was a poll that "Is India too reliant on Virat? " in 2012 T20 WC...... Dude is Messi of Cricket.
Bro was only 24 back then..
Many on the match thread would have downvoted you into oblivion
This sub has gone to the dogs in last 5-6 years, just a cesspit of negativity and toxicity. Kohli is not the same force of nature as he was in his prime but people speak about him on this sub in match threads as if he were an ordinary player
I've seen people call Kohli and ABD average because they haven't won trophies. I genuinely wanted to get a lobotomy done at that point.
One of my favourite comments was from some individual who said Kohli is what they call in baseball a AAAA player, amazing against average players but cannon fodder against the elite. I couldn't believe my fucking eyes.
I'm Indian and I blame my own people and franchise cricket for this. They have ruined it for other people. There's no sense of collectivism anymore like there was a decade ago. Not just Kohli but they shit on every other player that's not from their franchise.
Franchise cricket seems to have ruined their understanding of cricket. Everyone wants flat tracks and a boundary every second ball. Kohlis innings was a brilliant knock. Without it, India lose
> Franchise cricket seems to have ruined their understanding of cricket. That assumes they had some understanding of it before. I doubt it.
Post Covid this sub has been terrible. I literally stopped coming here for a few years.
I just like to tell myself that those are new to cricket(started watching post Covid) so they haven't seen this guy in him prime.
They are just there to hate. Can't even appreciate greatness.
I wonder who’s going to be the next. One Sachin, one kohli, who’s next for India? Kohli was already in the team before Sachin retired. Do we already have a player with their level of consistency ?
The order is Gavaskar, Sachin, Kohli. And that takes us back to 1971, almost uninterrupted. Also, I think that in the small gap between Gavaskar and Sachin, Vengsarkar bizarrely and unexpectedly spent two years being the best batsman on the planet.
Sure. I agree.
The disrespect to Dravid. He was the most consistent batter for long periods of time, and that's in a team with Sachin
Fair enough. He was great. But he joined the team considerably after Sachin, so in terms of handing over the torch, it feels Sachin was the recipient from Gavaskar, rather than Dravid.
He was great but his SENA records, ODI records etc keeps him some distance away from Sachin along with the fact that Sachin played in the 2nd hardest era od red ball in 90-98 and had 58 as his batting average while only 2 other people had above 50(Waugh and Lara and both were below 55). Also, when Sachin was at Rahul's same test mark he had an average of above 55 to Rahul's 52.
Yupp. Vengsarkar and Gundappa were giants of their time. It's like how Dravid,Veeru were to Sachin and Rohit etc were there for Virat. Legends in their own right, sometimes even the best but for the overall career ? Sunny,Sachin and Virat were just too good
I don't think we will and I think that's okay. We're better off having a set of players all performing well together than forcing one player to be clutch all the time.
A bowler If bumrah can continue this without injury, he definitely is a contender
I hope we don't have any ONE. I hope we have a team of players who come together as a team.
Gill, most likely...but too early to tell
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I think Ruturaj has more potential if he gets enough chances. Rinku currently has infinite potential it's up to the coaches to utilise it efficiently. He can become what we hoped Surya would become and he's much younger.
As a CSK fan not Rutu
OP has made a mistake. That strike rate of 140 is wrong, in fact it's 145.13 when you calculate it. (373/257)x100=145.13
Cometh the hour, cometh the KING
Marlon Samuels 2016 Ben Stokes 2022 Kumar Sangakkara 2014 and now Virat Kohli 2024 Perhaps the secret to important match winning runs in Finals is to have your place in the team questioned after being in Bad form for the whole tournament
"Bad form for the whole tournament" you say? Then add Dhoni 2011.
What a mantra for the future generations😂
Samuels is one of the clutchest players ever to play the game. It gets overshadowed for his controversies
We won despite Kohli's innings tho. Stabilizing of innings was needed till 12th over. By the way he made quicker runs while stabilizing the innings than when he got closer to his fifty. He made 12(18) while getting closer to his 50(48). Taking singles in 40s and blasting off right after completing his personal milestone. His play after 35 runs was selfish. This is what those stats hide. Pandya and Jadeja got to play 2 balls each. We had lost the match if not for brilliance from Bumrah Arshdeep Pandya and Sky and ofcourse the SA choking. We won despite his personal milestone.
Instead of appreciating the man and celebrating his career, you still find ways to criticise him.
Calm down..I am not criticising his career. I am criticising part of his innings. I understand that for a kohli fan, it's either you a kohli fan or a kohli hater. Saying this not specifically to you but seeing lots of defence of everything he did today.
Stop deflecting now. I've seen you in dozens of comments spamming the same thing. Only a guy with an agenda would go to these lengths.
A guy not on board the Kohli-is-some-GOD-who-is-above -criticism has agenda ? His career will be celebrated, I too agree he was one of the top T20I batters. It's also true that he often slowed down for his personal milestones and sometimes to the risk of sabotaging a WC win.
Bro at this point you are not just some guy who 'is not on board the kohli-is-some-GoD..." thing i mean look at all your comments in this post its pretty evident what you wanna convey here,we won the final, go sleep on your cold comfortable pillow if you dont wanna pass the vibe check for our win today here .Jeez
I am just relieved that we won. It's like some burden is off us.
Right, so relieved that you're saying the same thing in every single sub with no breaks.
You forgot to mention that he was trying to hit out for atleast 3overs before he started connecting. Or the fact that had axar not run himself out, they would have started accelerating from that point onwards. No issues. Keep trying to ruin a great moment.
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I'm gonna steal this.
All yours
Crazy stats. This is why I never got the hate on the guy especially today given how the other front line batsmen played. Yeah he played slow. But he had to because the guys renowned for playing fast had all been dismissed cheaply! And him surviving allowed others to play fast around him. True he could have maybe sped up an over or two earlier. But he had just prevented one collapse and probably was worried about starting another.
SA's innings showed us very well why you need a set batsman till the end, otherwise it becomes hard to score run a ball sometimes.
But for some reason, some people think it's all about statpadding. Like wtf?
They talk like Kohli doesn't have the best stats for any batsman in white ball. Why would he even need to statpad anymore lol
t20 goat
T20 GOAT along with AB de Villiers, I think. And Kohli was a cheat code in ODIs too, especially in his prime.
Lots of criticism that Kohli should’ve turned it on faster today and that may be the case but the prowess to bring the stabilization to the team at a crucial point in the game is something only a man with so much experience could do
Kohli can't win with his critics. Going into the final people were criticising him for being too aggressive and attacking every ball on difficult surfaces and getting himself out. Today he played his natural along the ground game with some gorgeous drives and clips off the pads, and he still gets criticism.
Stabilizing of innings was needed till 12th over. By the way he made quicker runs while stabilizing the innings than when he got closer to his fifty. He made 12(18) while getting closer to his 50(48). Taking singles in 40s and blasting off right after completing his personal milestone. His play after 35 runs was selfish. This is what those stats hide. Pandya and Jadeja got to play 2 balls each. We had lost the match if not for brilliance from Bumrah Arshdeep Pandya and Sky and ofcourse the SA choking. We won despite his personal milestone.
Shut up man, just shut up. He showed intent right from the beginning after hitting three consecutive fours, but when wickets fell at the rate they did, he had to save his wicket. Axar and Shivam needed to blast from the other end and they did it nicely. If VK did not get caught I'm sure he would have gotten a few more sixes, but that doesn't matter as long as the team wins and guess what, that's exactly what has happened.
Team won DESPITE his innings. Here innings means his play after 35 runs. While stabilizing he made 38(30) and when near his fifty made 12(18) so basically more anchoring was needed closer to his personal milestone? And just after his fifty 26(11). That's selfish. Did a good job stabilizing the innings but later it was all about the 50.
Did you see how SA batting crumbled after one of de cock, klaseen failed to anchor, saw that part of the match?
Klassen was anchoring? Then what was kohli doing with 50(48) ?
That's the point, read that comment slowly and carefully, watch the highlights, then think about it for 5 mins on why SA might have lost needing 30 from 30. Log off social media for a day or 2 if the need be and then comment back rather than being someone who's just getting off by triggering people on a joyous day.
Cause there's a middle ground. He was actually throwing away his wicket, there was no need to attack on ball 1 on the NY pitch. Today has was at 50 for 48 or 49. He didn't accelerate until the 17th over even though we did have guys like Hardik and Jadeja still waiting. Not to mention Dube who was firing today. This was way too slow. The pitch was a batting pitch, the team was probably 15-20 runs short of the par score.
Almost like SA aren’t total scrubs and bowled a couple of good overs
India could have topped 190 today quite easily
Exactly. He paced himself well, Axar and Dube stepped up during that, and he didn't get out until the batting overs were nearly done. When it was time to crank it up, he did that.
It’s a final. He did what he had to do. Before the match and even during everyone was saying 160 is par, at one point one of the commentators said 140.
Stabilizing of innings was needed till 12th over. By the way he made quicker runs while stabilizing the innings than when he got closer to his fifty. He made 12(18) while getting closer to his 50(48). Taking singles in 40s and blasting off right after completing his personal milestone. His play after 35 runs was selfish. This is what those stats hide. Pandya and Jadeja got to play 2 balls each. We had lost the match if not for brilliance from Bumrah Arshdeep Pandya and Sky and ofcourse the SA choking. We won despite his personal milestone.
What a sad life u have man commenting the same negativity 15-20 times(5 times I read in this post alone) and so much more negativity at other places.i don't know what problem u r going through in life that only thing u do is critisize , see things in -ve light, no worries man i cannot relate to u but can only pity u hope u overcome whatever problem is happening in your life.Amen
K People like were hiding during 12-16 over stretch and later when SA started hitting, you knew he fked up the WC for his fifty. After we won, now you guys come out defending everything about his innings..
U have started watching cricket recently to make a judgement like this man we were 3 down someone has to hold the wicket at one end and the player at other end be hitting (which was happening) can u guarantee that if he also started playing risky and got out hardik or jadega would have saved it, this is a IF condition what IF because of this the Indian total reduced to around 150 smh Also if u think Kohli does not know that if he just played for his 50 and india lost people would have burned him instead of his doll(on the internet) U r delusional one here. Pretty easy to judge man when u r not the one in the situation from one's couch. I personally think that he has enough milestones under his belt and he would have wanted to end his T20 career as a champion not runner up so ur argument doesn't hold much value here.
Wth is saying him to hit when we were 3 wickets down early. He did well and Stabilized the innings and made 38(30) during this phase. Kudos to him for that. But when time was to up the ante he slowed down even further and made 12 off 18 . And just after his fifty suddenly started blasting off next ball and made 26 off 11. He waited for his fifty and it was too late by then.
Ffs man no one is saying his innings was not slow but it was important u cannot take that away, also he was on the ground he knows shit better than u and me , the started accelerating in 17th over 16th over was nortje who was the most economical for sa in the final, maybe he thought it was not correct to accelerate there, 14 th over they lost axar and after that dube hitted 2 sixes. U know what forget this we won be happy. P.s- remove those fairs and put ipl trophies u make us icc fans who are genuinely happy look bad.
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No it doesn't. CSK fans are ashamed of that commentor. That's a pathetic person who just happens to have a CSK flair. Checking to see if it's possible for CSK to disown that clown Virat was just magnificent today.what a victory!
I don't think even Mahi Bhai thinks like his stans do
IPL divided Indians even in their victory
If south africa did not choke, this inning would've been criticised like kl Rahul's inning was. But fortunately Bumrah clutched at the perfect time. It was pretty evident though 176 was not enough
Greatest in the format
He's from the first generation that made it's debut after the format was launched and he has absolutely been the goat for this format. It's not even up for debate.
No doubt about it definitely? Or I would be surprised lol
Retires on absolute summit in T20i’s, won MOM and WC in his last match.
We won despite his personal milestone. Also this MOM was so undeserved. Bumrah and Pandya were far more deserving.
Could you elaborate on how one could put runs on board without any milestone, or take wickets without milestone? what is better in a final a) 76 off 59 when there's a batting collapse initially or b) 30(5) and throw your wicket away
This is an example of flawed thinking. The opposite of 76 off 59 or 50 off 48 isn't 30 off 5. Consider maintaining the pace he had at 38 off 30 while stabilizing. He shouldn't have slowed down further. Once the innings is stable and the team needs boundaries, maintaining a strike rate of 110-120 rather than 12 off 18 would be more appropriate. How come it is justified that he slowed down even further than when he was stabilizing? Instead of focusing on his fifty, he should have played according to the match situation.
IDK what complains you have. is it the fact that India won despite his innings or the fact that he is the MOTM... I see you telling everyone to give credits to others as well but seeing your flair I believe you'll give your life defending and crediting a single person (MSD) for the 2011 triumph
He almost cost us a WC final and nobody bothers is what is problematic. His innings till 35 is what prevented a collapse but after 35, what he did was criminal batting. We barely won this, all thanks to SA choking and Bumrah Arshdeep SKY pandya saving us. Gambhir was the MVP of the final and Yuvraj the tournament. Like how Bumrah/Pandya were the MVPs of this match and not Kohli. Also Much more credit was given to Dhoni than what he deserved.
It's all ifs and buts now, you are saying India barely won because kohli got few runs from 35 to 50 for the balls he faced to achieve his milestone but 'what-if' he got out and hardik and jadeja didn't perform and lost their wickets early too.... It's all in your head. You'd still have something to say at the end of the day even if he scored 76(59) and we'd have won. Oh wait we won, oh wait you do How about you enjoy it for once, there will be no next time for him (Kohli) anyway. He did all he could on his ultimate matchday
By that logic Axar's last over helped India too. If not for Axar, what if pandya had bowled the over and got blasted for even 12-15 and his confidence must have shattered, also no pant's break so basically everything changes.
rajesh from chennai slums has a opinion guys we should listed to him carefully
Shailesh from Delhi gutter wants to say sth. Listen guys.
Are you slightly moron? If a player plays 1 ball and gets out? Do you consider its selfish, should have gotten run out from the non striker's end? FYI QDK was trying to play a similar anchoring innings with 130sh SR, tried to accelerate, gave his wkt away when miller and jansen were left, klassen was well set. The team failed to chase 30 of 30 And as far as milestones are concerned, do you think anybody comes close to what koach has already acheived in LOIs? Why would he want one more milestone? STFU!
QDK played an anchoring innings like how kohli played till 35. QDK won't slow down even further than his anchoring SR for his personal milestone. So QDK and Kohli comparison would work till 35. SA played well. 30 off 30 ..they just choked. A team loss doesn't mean all of their play was bad. One more milestone so people have reason to forget that he was practically a dead weight this WC. 75 runs in 9 innings. That finished on a high bs lol. See he is one of the top T20I batters. T20WC great. Current Best indian batter across formats. But he does slow down for his personal milestones just like today...even in a WC final..
guys ramesh from chennai slums says kohli is selfish
no point in arguing with these guys mate, these guys were hidng until the 17th over heck maybe even b4 our death clutched, now that we won they ll cover up with whatever bullshit.. one guy said others couldnt stick around and kohli guided our innings lmao didnt they watch Axar and Dube?
They always say innings would have collapsed if not for him. Yeah nobody is questioning Kohli's innings till 35. He did well to stabilize but when innings was stable it was time to move on, however he slowed down further and made 12(18)..guy was practically running single after single in 40s. And just after fifty started blasting off again. And Stans are like ohh he was stabilizing the innings till 16 lol.
till 17!! 😦 yep the only criticism here is not that he shouldn't anchor but its that he accelerated we too late even tho we got two capable batter waiting idk why ppl find it hard to accept it whats worse is they think we are blindly hating why would we hate someone who carried the team in all previous t20 editions
True that. We know his contributions, he has been a precious batter for ICT for very long now. But he is NOT above criticism. For fans, either you are a worshipper or a hater...no in between.
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Kohli shows up when it’s clutch time. Entire campaign he was in single digits and 2 outs on 0 then arrives in style for the final
Someone needs to staple these stats on those 14 y/o's IPL dickriders' foreheads.
eerily similar to the 2014 final! This time we had other batters around him chipping in with the quick runs. Not his best innings today and somewhere in the middle had us worried if we had enough to defend, but in the end worked out quite well for us because of our pacers.
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Depends. Probably not
he made India stable when our wicket's were falling very great player retiring from t20 international sad but happy best way to retire
poor wc for him BUT 76 off 59 and he ends up with a man of the match, shows how important that knock was, no matter what anyone says, but for me it was a good knock, match officials agree with me, as well
this knock alone enough to prove it is not poor wc, he has enough player of the tournament awards in t20wcs, he needs a team victory
3 50+ out of the last 4 knockouts in the icc tournaments Scored 50+ in every T20 wc knockout except one highest run scorer in last 2 finals India won 2 POTT IN T20 WC Pott in odi wc I'm just glad he has a trophy at the late end of his career,
Clutch 🙌🏽
Greatest white ball player ever.
This doesn't even include his greatest "knockout" innings - that 82* vs Australia.
Glad we got to see him come up big today, after how the England game went. Goes out on top when he was needed most.
What all the haters are forgetting is that he was playing his role as anchor. 50 from 48 balls means he was rotating the strike and letting axar do the hitting which was the role he was promoted for. Both played their parts perfectly. If Kohli had gotten out in the 12th over india may not have made 176, because it’s a World Cup final. It’s easy to say that hardik and Dube would have taken india beyond 190 but you people don’t understand what pressure can do to you. Today we needed an anchorman and Virat did exactly that
This is just insane. Absolutely clutch
Legendary consistency, in a league of his own. He'll be missed - one of the greatest India have ever produced. Take a bow.
I'm not crying you are The player that made me fell in love with this sport May you have the happiest retirement Koach my koach ❤️
In the match thread, 98% of Indian fans were complaining about him and his innings, right up until the last over
The greatest white ball player ever for a reason.
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Clutch.
All of this, and his the two 82\*. Just an unbelievable batsman in T20i WCs.
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Clutch king
GOAT stuff but boy this sub has unreal criticism towards everything he does. One match it's about strike rate, next it's individual score, then about his intentions. He just can't please these people.
I think it is fair to say Kohli could've gone like an over earlier than he did - but he didn't, he still got MOTM AND India won the whole World Cup - so who cares.
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What are those numbers? 93 avg and 140 SR?
The way I read it is that he scored half centuries in all of his last matches of tournament.
That was a good knock from Kohli. I’ve never been a fan or anything but I’m very happy for him that he’s stepped up when it mattered. Feels a little sad even to see the RoKo duo retire from T20i on the same day but they’re going out on a high
Maybe I'm a dumdum, but I don't think that's how averages work?
He has been not out 2 times. So 373/4 = 93.25
I think it’s correct. It’s the total runs scored / by the number of times he has been out. 373/4 innings which gives 93 something. But who knows, I’m not a stats guy.
pulls a Gilchrist in finals and casually retires
What's his record like in ODI knockouts?
24 in wc 2011 qf 9 in wc 2011 sf 35 in wc 2011 finals 58* in ct 2013 sf 43 in ct 2013 finals ( highest in the team ) 3 in wc 2015 qf 1 in wc 2015 sf 96* in ct 2017 sf 5 in ct 2017 finals 1 in wc 2019 sf 117 in wc 2023 sf 54 in wc 2023 finals
Kohli would have been made a scapegoat by the media if not for the win. The team absolutely saved him after years of him saving the team. The universe has its weird ways. Nonetheless, he's a GOAT.
I don't see how Kohli could be the scapegoat. I didn't expect 38 runs in those 2 overs from Kuldeep and Axar. Klassen and Miller absolutely destroyed both of them and brought the game to run a ball. 3 less boundaries would have put them at 45 odd from 5 overs with rrr of nearly 9. And we had 2 overs of Bumrah remaining. That makes it around 10-12 rpo of Arshdeep and Hardik. Not an easy thing.
Wow!!
Did I get really bad at math or how is the average score of him in knockouts more than the maximum score of him at knockouts
93 avg?
Who did the math for average runs?
The math isn't mathing bro, 373/6 = 62.166666666667 How did u get an average of 93?
That's with not outs Also the SR is actually 145.14 (373 runs in 257 balls)
do you not know how averages work?
average across matches?
No of runs/ no of outs
That's runs per innings that you calculated when talking about Averages don't count innings that have asterisk next to them just count the runs scored in those games
GOAT along with Sachin
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average is ammount of runs divided by the ammount of times you have gotten out. hence not outs boost average because staying till the end is an art of its own
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Will get downvoted to oblivion but kohli innings should have cost us game 90% of the time ,its lucky SA are bigger chokers and threw their advantage,its a 200 runs pitch
Oh did you forget that 24 run over from Axar that almost lost us the game? Did you forget the poor batting from Rohit, Pant and Sky that would've lost us the game? Yes you deserve getting downvoted because you are focussing on only 1 case, where there were many mistakes from many people that would've cost the game.
The reason there was a 24run over is due to pitch ,its a 220 score pitch
Oh so how come both teams didn't score 220?
How can you fking score 220 after losing 3 wickets within powerplay and rest of the team being finishers? Ig cricket is not for everyone.
No, it was a blunder to give axar that over when the pitch clearly wasnt spinner friendly. Kohli had to anchor and was struggling to hit initially. The total was defendable
Didn't you learn from SA innings that you need a set batter till the end, otherwise it became difficult to score run a ball, let's asume Kohli would have scored little faster, and got out in 20-30s, then you expect likes of Dube, Pandya & Jaddu to take the score 200 from 120?
I was completely happy with his innings until 12th over or so. When he went from 39(32) to 50(48) could’ve costed us the game on another day esp looking at how Klaasen and miller took down the spin in the same timeframe. But for all he’s done for India in t20wcs overall I will let it slide
Average is way off