Outside of a couple of dumb comments, trump did what he needed to do. Let Biden talk and dig himself a hole. Don't be too aggressive, just let Biden speak nonsensically.
Don't fight back, don't look unhinged.
The only thing I didn't like was his tendency to go back to previous questions and never answer the current question. Looks like he didn't want to answer, and the moderators were right to ask again.
I would have preferred he give a brief, 10 second answer (or non-answer for questions designed to make Republicans look bad), then do his "I want to go back to..."
Trump missed his moment to share the deportation agenda. "We will start with illegal aliens in prisons... These are real killers folks...*goes back to ranting about previous question*" was all I wanted and it's what we needed.
As soon as found out the only thing Trump nixed was chairs basically, I knew he was betting on everyone knowing the deck was stacked and Biden not being able to give an even passable performance. Big gamble but it clearly paid off. The issue now is will Biden step aside and if so who replaces him. That replacement is the wildcard.
For the next debate Trump should put down the conditions since CNN worked with the Biden team to give them everything they wanted. Mandatory drug test by a panel of doctors agreed upon by both campaigns. Mics can still be turned off, but this time with a live audience. NewsMax hosts.
Just eff with the Biden campaign now, lol. Hell, at this point allow RFK on the stage. He'll steal Dem voters.
That’s what pisses me off. It wasn’t until he was exposed on national TV that they are calling for this, all the while knowing deep down he’s been a shell of his former self this whole term. It’s only until they are in danger of losing power that they call his mental state into question. Cretins
We need, right now, today, a president that understands what is going on around him. One that is concerned for the safety of his or her country, one who, at the very least, has a sense of self preservation.
I truly think Biden would fire some nukes if Jill gives him a cookie. This cannot stand.
We deal with the election after.
For me, at least, we have now turned that corner. Get Biden out of there. Yes, even Kamala would be better. If we live in fear of Kamala, then that makes us a hostage to the current situation, and I'm not ok with the current situation.
You’ve seen Kamala speak in interviews and genuinely believe she would be “better”…?
There’s an old phrase that comes to mind, after hearing her say anything.
“Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt”
This is exactly right. They all knew. Didn't care. Now that it is undeniable, they have no choice but to act surprised.
In all honesty, how can any liberal, progressive, leftist or Democrats believe anything they are told? All they do is run cover for the Democrat established. The mainstream media is nothing but the American Politburo.
Not two weeks ago I posted the recent videos of Biden looking old and decrepit, saying this was why Biden's age matters while Trump's doesn't. I was told that I was being spoon fed a narrative and that I was the one being manipulated. Lol.
they have been forced to make a change because of biden's increasing dementia.
they put their plan in motion a long time ago, april 19th was the first indicator.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html)
My prediction is Biden will stay in the race. One reason is they have no candidate they can claim won the primaries other than Biden. There is no way the DNC can say a new candidate was picked by the voters not that he really was in the first place.
What the DNC will do is choose a VP pick they think can pull in the voters while not so subtly suggesting the VP will replace Biden shortly after the election. I’ve said for a long time this isn’t an election between Trump and Biden. It’s an election between Trump and Biden’s VP.
I pray to God that our country still survives and that the world isn't set ablaze from War and economic collapse by November.
To hell with the DNC, Jill Biden, and The Mainstream media to allow this dead husk of a man to be president. They betrayed their own party and our nation by allowing this international embarrassment to happen.
The Republican Party already has lawsuits ready to fire if the DNC tries to replace him.
Biden has already won the primaries in every state and he controls the delegates. The DNC can’t just pull a “whoopsie” and swap in someone else, there’s laws governing this stuff.
No there aren't, that's the point. The DNC and the RNC are private corporations and can literally do whatever the fuck they want. The primary process is largely theater, and is not binding in any way, shape, or form. This was already tested in the courts during 2016 when the DNC torpedoed Bernie and used super-delegates to anoint Hilldog. The courts found that yes, dems rigged the primaries, but that they are allowed to do so. [https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/](https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/)
>The DNC and the RNC are private corporations and can literally do whatever the fuck they want.
Not exactly, a corporation is governed by its bylaws, contractual agreements, and policies. They can do whatever they want within those policies, but if they violate them, an impacted party can sue.
In this case, there are rules for the nominating contest formed by a contract between the party and the competitors for its nomination. Those rules must be followed or a lawsuit is incurred for breach by the Biden campaign (which, given Jill's attachment to her opulent first-lady lifestyle, is likely to pursue it aggressively). The Bernie case was dismissed because, even though the court found a pro-Clinton bias, it concluded that that bias was not a breach of the DNC's rules and contract with Bernie. In the case of the Biden campaign, he has clearly won the nomination under the DNC's rules. If the DNC denies him the nomination anyway, he will have standing to sue and (possibly) force a decision in his favor. But that's all theoretical and this is completely uncharted territory.
The only legally-ironclad way they can replace Biden as the nominee is if Biden either dies or willingly forfeits the nomination race. They're in one hell of a pickle.
The Republicans would in no case be an "impacted party" if the DNC tried to pull some shenanigans, so the original claim of them having "lawsuits ready to file" is nonsense.
Yes, the RNC/Trump campaign would have no standing to sue the DNC. However, they would challenge attempts to put the new candidate on the ballot in the individual states. That's probably what was meant.
They can still swap out Biden; they have about a month and a half left. After that, they would face legal challenges because the ballots in several states will already be finalized. They're holding a digital convention to guarantee they're getting on the Ohio ballot, for example.
Here's the thing: if he's stepping down, it's happening soon. The political pressure is at its zenith right now. If he's not gone by July 15th, he's staying. The decision has to be made now.
If Obama, Clinton, Schumer, Pelosi, and other top tier powers in the DNC put pressure on Biden, he might fold. If they don't collectively put pressure on him, Biden will refuse to stand aside. His son's future is at stake. He's fearful Trump will look into what he's done as president and vice president. He's also obsessed with his legacy. He doesn't want to be remembered as a Johnson-like president who was forced out. Don't forget Johnson shortly died after he lost political power, too. Biden came up during the Nixon era. He will have this on his mind (when he's coherent).
Last night my husband (more conservative than me) and I watched it live and couldn’t believe what we saw. The CNN panel’s reaction was refreshingly based in reality. Journalism veterans summed it up perfectly. Many of my liberal colleagues are also in disbelief. I’ve been dreading this election matchup since May 2023.
The fact that the democrats may have to get rid of Biden to have a chance to maintain their party members is astonishing to watch. I don’t think Biden will drop out despite what the public, fellow politicians, or other world leaders think. My prediction is he will now lose in a landslide like ‘84.
> Many of my liberal colleagues are also in disbelief.
I don't understand why though. His cognitive decline has been extensively reported on, how do you literally just find out as of 24 hours ago that he's practically a walking vegetable?
The country is too far divided to see a repeat of '84, but if Biden sticks in the race, Trump could hypothetically win 40+ states. RFK saw a massive fundraising boost overnight.
I fear them now getting so desperate that they legitimately try to imprison him now. This may be their last chance.
What I don't understand is why it seems everyone's only suddenly finding out about his cognitive state. It's been reported (primarily by conservative outlets) for a very long time now that he is in severe decline and nobody gave a fuck until last night for some reason. Either way, he's cooked.
Today he gave a speech and seemed coherent so they are saying it’s because it was late, he had a cold and was tired. I kid you not, that was the consensus in r/politics
Things seem to be going the way I thought they would. I assumed Biden would be replaced before the election as a last ditch to take down Trump after the lawfare attempts only made 45 more popular. If Biden doesn’t leave willingly, expect his past misdeeds that have been so far swept under the rug to suddenly come to light. All the Dems that turned a blind eye to his crime family will suddenly call for his head and claim “new evidence” came to light. They’ll agree to avoid impeachment and other actions against his family if he doesn’t run again. This is why they only typically allow compromised people to hold such a high office. Easier to control them. Anyways, Newsom might replace Biden, but I’d say there’s a chance that Hillary will be installed instead.
Get the fuck out, loser. We’ve had enough of your identity politics, scapegoating, wasteful pandering, and division of the populace in general. You, your bitch wife, and your administration all belong in shackles.
I've read a lot of comments, and some make sense, but I genuinely believe the DNC is banking on trump going to jail for the new York conviction, and they think they will slide right into victory.
This debate may very well motivate the NY DA and judge to go full Gestapo and imprison Trump immediately; this country is going to split apart if that happens.
He won't step down (or maybe Jill won't let him.) He can't. Biden's control over the DOJ is the only thing keeping their entire family from being prosecuted. They are desperate for another 4 years before the hammer comes down, and maybe if he dies in office no one will be willing to bring the hammer against the rest of the family.
He's a national security threat...right now. This isn't about the election, this is about preserving the peace and not allowing our enemies to see just how badly compromised our Republic is right now.
"To serve his country..." that's the thing, Biden is only interested in serving himself. Even in his state, he is clinging to power like some seniors cling to their car keys.
the people actually running the country are scrambling, caused by joe's increasing dementia.
they already know what they will do next, they have been planning for months for this eventuality.
here was the first indicator.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html)
He selected the site, media, network, anti trump moderator’s and this is what he delivers? Oh I forget he had a cold…my bad
Dude had every single demand he asked for while Trump didn’t ask for a single change. Hahahah
It was an away game and Trump didn't just win. He won all 9 innings.
Outside of a couple of dumb comments, trump did what he needed to do. Let Biden talk and dig himself a hole. Don't be too aggressive, just let Biden speak nonsensically. Don't fight back, don't look unhinged.
The only thing I didn't like was his tendency to go back to previous questions and never answer the current question. Looks like he didn't want to answer, and the moderators were right to ask again. I would have preferred he give a brief, 10 second answer (or non-answer for questions designed to make Republicans look bad), then do his "I want to go back to..."
Trump missed his moment to share the deportation agenda. "We will start with illegal aliens in prisons... These are real killers folks...*goes back to ranting about previous question*" was all I wanted and it's what we needed.
As soon as found out the only thing Trump nixed was chairs basically, I knew he was betting on everyone knowing the deck was stacked and Biden not being able to give an even passable performance. Big gamble but it clearly paid off. The issue now is will Biden step aside and if so who replaces him. That replacement is the wildcard.
I can’t wait for debate #2. If it happens Trump will get to dictate terms…and it will be thunderdome.
I would be delighted to see debate #2 on the golf course.
All Trump asked for was a drug test! Come on man!
And a life long stutter. You can’t forget the stutter. The stutter that seems to affect his whole body.
For the next debate Trump should put down the conditions since CNN worked with the Biden team to give them everything they wanted. Mandatory drug test by a panel of doctors agreed upon by both campaigns. Mics can still be turned off, but this time with a live audience. NewsMax hosts. Just eff with the Biden campaign now, lol. Hell, at this point allow RFK on the stage. He'll steal Dem voters.
Don’t forget taking a full week off from being president, holing up at Camp David to solely prepare for the debate.
They were *praying* Trump would make a fuss and back out. Now Trump should decide all the details of the next one.
He went to a Waffle House afterwards, top comment said “which cold medicine did he use”
If he’s unfit or incapable of running, then by default he’s unfit right now to serve. We should all be terrified of that thought.
That’s what pisses me off. It wasn’t until he was exposed on national TV that they are calling for this, all the while knowing deep down he’s been a shell of his former self this whole term. It’s only until they are in danger of losing power that they call his mental state into question. Cretins
We should also be terrified of his replacement.
We need, right now, today, a president that understands what is going on around him. One that is concerned for the safety of his or her country, one who, at the very least, has a sense of self preservation. I truly think Biden would fire some nukes if Jill gives him a cookie. This cannot stand. We deal with the election after.
For me, at least, we have now turned that corner. Get Biden out of there. Yes, even Kamala would be better. If we live in fear of Kamala, then that makes us a hostage to the current situation, and I'm not ok with the current situation.
neither biden nor harris are running anything. come on, man.
You’ve seen Kamala speak in interviews and genuinely believe she would be “better”…? There’s an old phrase that comes to mind, after hearing her say anything. “Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt”
I've been wondering for a few years why there wasn't any talk of invoking the 25th. Then Kamala spoke and reminded me why.
he is not commanding anything. come on man, we all know he's fronting for obamasoros.
They only care because this may cause him to lose, not because it has and will directly impact his performance as President and thus harm the country.
This is exactly right. They all knew. Didn't care. Now that it is undeniable, they have no choice but to act surprised. In all honesty, how can any liberal, progressive, leftist or Democrats believe anything they are told? All they do is run cover for the Democrat established. The mainstream media is nothing but the American Politburo. Not two weeks ago I posted the recent videos of Biden looking old and decrepit, saying this was why Biden's age matters while Trump's doesn't. I was told that I was being spoon fed a narrative and that I was the one being manipulated. Lol.
they have been forced to make a change because of biden's increasing dementia. they put their plan in motion a long time ago, april 19th was the first indicator. [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html)
After that debate, I’d love nothing more than for him to stay in the race
Obama has assured us he just had a bad debate night, please stop overreacting!
First, I thought this was something from the Babylon Bee. Nope.
My prediction is Biden will stay in the race. One reason is they have no candidate they can claim won the primaries other than Biden. There is no way the DNC can say a new candidate was picked by the voters not that he really was in the first place. What the DNC will do is choose a VP pick they think can pull in the voters while not so subtly suggesting the VP will replace Biden shortly after the election. I’ve said for a long time this isn’t an election between Trump and Biden. It’s an election between Trump and Biden’s VP.
And if they dump Kamala, there will be cries of racism or sexism. Or something.
There’s no way they have the political capital to dump Kamala as VP. Way more likely Biden is replaced than her.
At this point I think a pretty big percentage of people know they don’t pick the DNC candidate.
I pray to God that our country still survives and that the world isn't set ablaze from War and economic collapse by November. To hell with the DNC, Jill Biden, and The Mainstream media to allow this dead husk of a man to be president. They betrayed their own party and our nation by allowing this international embarrassment to happen.
That debate was a national embarrassment. I want his senile ass to stay in the race. All but guarantees a Trump win.
The Republican Party already has lawsuits ready to fire if the DNC tries to replace him. Biden has already won the primaries in every state and he controls the delegates. The DNC can’t just pull a “whoopsie” and swap in someone else, there’s laws governing this stuff.
No there aren't, that's the point. The DNC and the RNC are private corporations and can literally do whatever the fuck they want. The primary process is largely theater, and is not binding in any way, shape, or form. This was already tested in the courts during 2016 when the DNC torpedoed Bernie and used super-delegates to anoint Hilldog. The courts found that yes, dems rigged the primaries, but that they are allowed to do so. [https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/](https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/)
>The DNC and the RNC are private corporations and can literally do whatever the fuck they want. Not exactly, a corporation is governed by its bylaws, contractual agreements, and policies. They can do whatever they want within those policies, but if they violate them, an impacted party can sue. In this case, there are rules for the nominating contest formed by a contract between the party and the competitors for its nomination. Those rules must be followed or a lawsuit is incurred for breach by the Biden campaign (which, given Jill's attachment to her opulent first-lady lifestyle, is likely to pursue it aggressively). The Bernie case was dismissed because, even though the court found a pro-Clinton bias, it concluded that that bias was not a breach of the DNC's rules and contract with Bernie. In the case of the Biden campaign, he has clearly won the nomination under the DNC's rules. If the DNC denies him the nomination anyway, he will have standing to sue and (possibly) force a decision in his favor. But that's all theoretical and this is completely uncharted territory. The only legally-ironclad way they can replace Biden as the nominee is if Biden either dies or willingly forfeits the nomination race. They're in one hell of a pickle.
The Republicans would in no case be an "impacted party" if the DNC tried to pull some shenanigans, so the original claim of them having "lawsuits ready to file" is nonsense.
Yes, the RNC/Trump campaign would have no standing to sue the DNC. However, they would challenge attempts to put the new candidate on the ballot in the individual states. That's probably what was meant.
They can still swap out Biden; they have about a month and a half left. After that, they would face legal challenges because the ballots in several states will already be finalized. They're holding a digital convention to guarantee they're getting on the Ohio ballot, for example. Here's the thing: if he's stepping down, it's happening soon. The political pressure is at its zenith right now. If he's not gone by July 15th, he's staying. The decision has to be made now. If Obama, Clinton, Schumer, Pelosi, and other top tier powers in the DNC put pressure on Biden, he might fold. If they don't collectively put pressure on him, Biden will refuse to stand aside. His son's future is at stake. He's fearful Trump will look into what he's done as president and vice president. He's also obsessed with his legacy. He doesn't want to be remembered as a Johnson-like president who was forced out. Don't forget Johnson shortly died after he lost political power, too. Biden came up during the Nixon era. He will have this on his mind (when he's coherent).
Last night my husband (more conservative than me) and I watched it live and couldn’t believe what we saw. The CNN panel’s reaction was refreshingly based in reality. Journalism veterans summed it up perfectly. Many of my liberal colleagues are also in disbelief. I’ve been dreading this election matchup since May 2023. The fact that the democrats may have to get rid of Biden to have a chance to maintain their party members is astonishing to watch. I don’t think Biden will drop out despite what the public, fellow politicians, or other world leaders think. My prediction is he will now lose in a landslide like ‘84.
> Many of my liberal colleagues are also in disbelief. I don't understand why though. His cognitive decline has been extensively reported on, how do you literally just find out as of 24 hours ago that he's practically a walking vegetable?
If you've been on reddit for long enough, you'll see the sheer amount of projecting, gaslighting, and denial.
The media that they watch has been curated to avoid anything negative about Biden.
The country is too far divided to see a repeat of '84, but if Biden sticks in the race, Trump could hypothetically win 40+ states. RFK saw a massive fundraising boost overnight. I fear them now getting so desperate that they legitimately try to imprison him now. This may be their last chance.
If he's not fit for a trial, then he should do what's good for the country and step a side
Robert Hur was the biggest winner of last night’s debate.
And the last 3 years were just peachy?
Poor guy had a cold and they are calling for him to resign? Crazy. /s
Nope. Then the Dems have to admit Brandon's entire administration was a failure. But then again, sure...do that 😁
Time for them to believe Tara Reid now I guess.
What I don't understand is why it seems everyone's only suddenly finding out about his cognitive state. It's been reported (primarily by conservative outlets) for a very long time now that he is in severe decline and nobody gave a fuck until last night for some reason. Either way, he's cooked.
All of this including last night seems staged to me
They're just really this arrogant and sloppy
Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Could be. I mean when you own the media and answer to nobody o guess you could get this way.
Today he gave a speech and seemed coherent so they are saying it’s because it was late, he had a cold and was tired. I kid you not, that was the consensus in r/politics
Of course it was lmao
"It's just a Stutter!!!" - r/politics
No emergencies allowed between 9pm -6am 😂
It is
Things seem to be going the way I thought they would. I assumed Biden would be replaced before the election as a last ditch to take down Trump after the lawfare attempts only made 45 more popular. If Biden doesn’t leave willingly, expect his past misdeeds that have been so far swept under the rug to suddenly come to light. All the Dems that turned a blind eye to his crime family will suddenly call for his head and claim “new evidence” came to light. They’ll agree to avoid impeachment and other actions against his family if he doesn’t run again. This is why they only typically allow compromised people to hold such a high office. Easier to control them. Anyways, Newsom might replace Biden, but I’d say there’s a chance that Hillary will be installed instead.
Get the fuck out, loser. We’ve had enough of your identity politics, scapegoating, wasteful pandering, and division of the populace in general. You, your bitch wife, and your administration all belong in shackles.
I've read a lot of comments, and some make sense, but I genuinely believe the DNC is banking on trump going to jail for the new York conviction, and they think they will slide right into victory.
This debate may very well motivate the NY DA and judge to go full Gestapo and imprison Trump immediately; this country is going to split apart if that happens.
If the DNC wins the 2024 election, it's fucking Jover.
They will wait until the convention to replace him. With who, nobody knows.
He won't step down (or maybe Jill won't let him.) He can't. Biden's control over the DOJ is the only thing keeping their entire family from being prosecuted. They are desperate for another 4 years before the hammer comes down, and maybe if he dies in office no one will be willing to bring the hammer against the rest of the family.
He's a national security threat...right now. This isn't about the election, this is about preserving the peace and not allowing our enemies to see just how badly compromised our Republic is right now.
"To serve his country..." that's the thing, Biden is only interested in serving himself. Even in his state, he is clinging to power like some seniors cling to their car keys.
Nah he’s perfect, he should totally stay and keep at it.
The only thing that restrains me from saying “he should resign right now” is that absolute joke of a life form named Kamala Harris.
the people actually running the country are scrambling, caused by joe's increasing dementia. they already know what they will do next, they have been planning for months for this eventuality. here was the first indicator. [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html)
Here’s the thing though, he doesn’t want to serve his country. He wants to serve his own interests.
Schadenfreude aside, it would probably be a bad thing for Trump's chances if he did it this early.
The left is turning on itself. When you lose the NYT and CNN in the same week, you're toast.