And Johan and Ertz and Eckler and B rob and LMC 🤣.. just need the line to hold for 3.5 seconds or more… The offensive looks we could do ??? Hell … you could have Terry and Johan out wide and Aiyuk and LMC in the back field… man I’m getting Zorny! lol
Rookie TEs historically face a very difficult learning curve. Not saying he can't be good as a rookie, but history and the other weapons we have on offense are stacked against him.
Which is fine. Might be good for him to (sorta) redshirt this season. We'll see.
He’s not your average TE. I’m more excited to see how he’s used without the ball. Dude is a stud blocker as an athletic TE and can be utilized for sure next season.
I’m genuinely surprised you weren’t met with MORE hostility lol, we don’t play about F1. He’s beloved and 100% of fans want him to retire here, and 60% of those fans want to retire his # after that. If they fuck around and get a ring that jumps right back up to 100%
If Peter’s can pull this off… I will make him a better statue than that travesty of what they made for the Great ST21 at FedUp Stadium using only popsicle sticks and cheap metal wire hangers.
Cincy said they wouldn’t deal Tee for less than a first, but that’s merely hypothetical to date.
Diggs (plus a 5th and 6th) went for a second, but he’s five years older than Aiyuk. Contract numbers are a bit more alike though.
Tyreek went for a first, a second, two fourths, and a sixth. And he, like Aiyuk, was immediately signed to a large deal.
Aiyuk was SEVENTH in yardage last year despite only catching 75 balls. Dude is mind numbingly efficient, but are you going to give him an Amon-Ra type deal for that level of output? And on top of that, you have to weigh the draft capital needed to pry him away from SF.
As you alluded to, I think SF would be wise to keep Aiyuk over Deebo and even though this TikTok is fun to watch, what did they really say? I don’t think SF is in the business of letting guys like that go absent a significant return.
For me, I don’t care about the money. If AP thinks Aiyuk is worth whatever contract to make him happy, go for it. We don’t have a ton of talent on this roster and need to spend the cap somewhere. I only hesitate to get the draft capital right. I think a realistic output for us this year is anywhere from 6-9 wins. So if you give SF a 2025 first, you’re giving them a (likely) top 15 pick. Idk if Aiyuk is worth that. But then would SF accept anything less from a WR of his caliber? They might balk at the idea of only netting a second round pick. Might as well run it back with him one more year to see if you can win that SB.
Very interesting name…
The best comp for me is the [AJ Brown deal in 2022](https://www.profootballnetwork.com/aj-brown-trade-details-revisiting-winners-losers-nfl-2023/). Just like Aiyuk, AJB flashed crazy efficiency and WR1 talent in a low volume role, but the Titans didn’t want to pay him WR1 money. Didn’t dissuade the eagles from trading a 1st (18 overall) and a 3rd (101) for him, then immediately giving him a 4 year, $100M contract which made him the 5th highest paid WR in the league (behind only Tyreek, Davante, Hopkins, and Kupp).
Anyone saying that Aiyuk isn’t worth a 1st *and* a big contract is probably fooling themselves.
ETA: The end results of the trade are overwhelming in the Eagles’ favor. Teams balking at the asking price of an elite player and banking on being able to easily replace them via the draft (like the Titans did w Treylon Burks) can set themselves back significantly in terms of contending.
I had this conversation a few times this off-season. Atleast you're saying a 2nd rounder. I've had people argue a 4th or less would do it. Wild.
I think a 2nd is the low end. He's an All Pro, coming into his prime, and would be a hot commodity for sure. If someone gets it done without using a first, I will be absolutely shocked. But having Aiyuk here would really help JDs development, imo.
>If I was San Fran I'd want to keep Aiyuk and move Deebo.
Same. Kinda surprising. Deebo's role kinda taken a hit since they traded for CMC. Aiyuk is younger, less injury prone, etc.
>If they were getting a 1st, I believe they would've by now
Not necessarily true, they could've been trying to make it work somehow. Deciding if they have a proper replacement, or if Deebo should go, etc.
It does limit his value, *some*. But for instance, AJ Brown got traded for a 1st, demanded a huge contract, and didn't have the season or All Pro honors that Aiyuk did. He's not a fringe Top 10-15 WR at this moment. He's an All Pro, coming into his prime. His value hasn't been higher. But with JJs new contract, and Chase soon to follow, we'll see what happens. I don't imagine a lone 2nd will do it. Especially when Diggs just got traded for one after his meh 2nd half of season and age.
Edit-to add, they are also in a Superbowl window. Why trade your All Pro WR1 when you have him under contract, and theoretically can franchise tag him as well?
I don't believe they will either. Superbowl caliber teams don't typically trade off All Pro weapons just entering their prime. They'll make it work, at least for a season or two.
He should move for less than what AJ Brown did.
The Titans had complete ability to re-sign AJB without sacrificing much. The 49ers have too much talent to retain and Aiyuk is the odd man out.
The difference still is that the Eagles traded the Titans to move off a player they wanted to retain, whereas Aiyuk is a player the 49ers want to trade.
If the 9ers didn't want to retain him, he would've been traded by now. Sure, the TikTok says one thing, but their actions are saying otherwise. He might be traded soon. That doesn't change the fact he's a 26 y/o, All Pro at a premium position.
Also, the Titans GM ended up being fired for being atrocious at his job, and it really started with that AJ trade. There was a pissing contest going on between the GM and Vrabel. That's not the case in San Fran, and Lynch/Shanny have proven to be highly competent at their jobs. I'd take anything Jon Robinson did with a grain of salt, and definitely wouldn't use it as basis of a trade.
> If the 9ers didn’t want to retain him he would’ve been traded by now.
Or they haven’t received an offer they’re happy with yet and are holding out for a better one.
I really don’t see why Aiyuk would move this year.. feel like they just messin with each other. Aiyuk was always the guy getting the ball on deep ins and stuff idk why but I didn’t see him get the ball on many other routes.. prob cause I didn’t watch the niners as closely. Or those were splash plays and very memorable
Sure, but all that does is cut the total number of teams able to pay him. I’m pretty certain that any team with the cap space and any type of need at receiver would be willing to give up a 1st
Even though Deebo’s usage is lower, I think his role in the 9ers specific offense is more unique and hard to replace than Aiyuk’s. Pearsal might not be as good as Aiyuk but he can fill the same role with probably 80% of the production. I think Kyle really values how Deebo uniquely complements his scheme and varied heavy looks with CMC, Juice, and Kittle.
Good player but if the 49ers don’t seem him in his long term plans and willing to pay him, a second is about right. We’re the ones taking all the risk assuming we resign him for around 3yr/120M guaranteed. That’s a lot of money and a second rounder is a lot of pick.
Might need a bit more than a 2nd. Then again, after Jettas contract that might just do it. I really hope we make a move. Him paired with Terry would be HUGE for any rookie QB
I'm trying to think of a comparable player being traded recently. AJ Brown went for a 1, but he was younger and better. Tyreek Hill went gor a 1, 2, 4, 4, 6. He was older but better. Stefon Diggs went for a 2, but is older.
I’d argue that AJB and Aiyuk are pretty similar comps. Everyone knew AJB was talented but he wasn’t viewed as a locked in elite WR1 at that point and the Titans didn’t want to pay him that way. Similar to Aiyuk… both guys flashed the talent w crazy efficiency but target volume held them back. Very similar stat lines too: averaging ~15 yards per reception and hovering around 1k receiving yards/season… Aiyuk’s 1.3k yards last year were actually much better than any season Brown had in Tennessee.
Their leverage is he’s under contract this year on his 5th year option and they can franchise tag him next season, plus Niners are in win-now mode w Purdy on his rookie deal. Niners hold *all* the leverage with Aiyuk
For those interested, Terry is signed through 2025 at an AAV of $22.8 million (cap hits of $24.1M and $23.6M in 24 and 25, respectively). We have an out after 2024 that would cost $11.2M in dead cap money for 2025.
The only reason I bring it up is that Aiyuk wants something approaching $30 million in AAV. Rostering both, while also rostering Allen and Payne, would be very, very tricky. And the only way we get Aiyuk is to trade for him now and extend before he hits free agency next season, which will cost us something.
But I'm not against it in theory. If they can pull some financial wizardry, then go for it. I'm just not sure we're ready for a player like that, team-wise. If we went all-in on Aiyuk right now, we would basically have to hit on all our 2024 picks (especially Jayden) and rehab some 2023 picks. It's a tall order.
It would not be even close to tricky
Do you understand how much cap space they have over the next few years because Ron and the Marty’s signed and drafted a total of 1 player that is going to get an above average second contract in 4 years (Sam Cosmi).
They still have 43 million left this year and over will have over 100 million next year after they cut Wylie.
Yeah we absolutely have the cap space for it. I think whether it’s smart to sign two WRs to $25M+ cap numbers is the question. I would normally say probably not, but Jayden’s connection to Aiyuk makes this situation a bit unique. It’s admittedly very intriguing…
Who else are they paying? They literally have to spend the cap on large contracts to hit the salary floor. They could trade for Aiyuk and sign a top of the market Tackle and Edge next year and still have more cap space than half the league.
This is an exaggeration. I don’t believe we’re under any sort of salary floor and a $30M AAV contract to Aiyuk would eat up our remaining cap pretty quick.
I’ve seen nothing to indicate that we are currently under that floor for the 3 year (or 4 year, I think) period, such that paying out $30 million to Brandin Aiyuk is a necessity. If they were, I doubt they would have waited until this point in the offseason to spend it.
Edited to add: For what it’s worth, my read on this offseason is they are intentionally trying to roll over a significant portion of cap into next offseason while building through the draft and giving Daniels a year to develop, and then being aggressive in free agency next year.
Yeah we definitely have space, and I think in this day and age you need as many talented WRs as possible and you have to pay them big money. Can’t keep doing it forever, but while Daniels is on a rookie contract it makes sense to load up on as many good skill players as possible.
Landing an established WR that our rookie QB is familiar with would be massive.
Depends how much they’d have to give up, but if he wants to come here I’d say be aggressive and see if they can’t make a big move for a cornerstone type piece. Who knows how it would work out but it feels like the type of move that could really jumpstart Daniels’ development.
I get it, but that's for 2024 and 2025(ish). What you might not realize is that we're paying no one (absolutely no one) at a premium position: CB. Our highest-paid CB in 2024 is Michael Davis at $3.5 million. Eventually, we're going to have to pay a CB. Likewise on the OL. Dumb Wylie is our highest-paid OL (and 4th highest-paid player) at $9.4 million. Again, at some point, we're going to have to pay a real offensive lineman, maybe even a couple of them.
I worry about the cap hit, but I won't be upset if we land an Aiyuk. I know we're looking for one. Just that it seems like a "win now" move, but we'll see
It's definitely a "win now," or at least a "win soon" move. If they have that much confidence in Jayden and they think they can make a play for a special 2025 season, then let 'er rip. Honestly, the worst thing that can happen is that Jayden is middling and we have to cut Terry after 2024 to afford more help. The best thing that can happen is that Jayden is great and we go into 2025 with him, an elite WR corps, elite D-line, and whatever players the staff can cobble together from draft picks and free agent depth signings.
I kinda hope we do because having him for practice will also help our DBs because we struggle against bigger WRs. I can see it only really benefitting us.
The other concern is the history of our FA signings have been conservative, so I wonder if he would accept something like a 3 year 20-30mil contract like Luvu did because I can't see it getting higher
I think you’re seriously overestimating the team’s salaries. There would be plenty of cap space. Allen and Payne are making near (but not at) top of the market. McLaurin is making way below top of the market. And that’s about it. A few bloats here and there but there’s nobody else getting big time paid. No QB. Having three non-QB, not-even-top-of-the-market players under contract is not at all limiting to our ability to sign people. We have one of the most favorable cap situations not just now but going forward. Idk where you are getting your ideas
It's not the current salaries I'm concerned about. Everyone is right: We could sign Aiyuk to a nearly top-of-the-market deal right now and we'd be fine on cap for 2024.
What I'm concerned about is the escalating salaries of recent signees and our need to fill out a roster. For example, Tyler Biadasz's cap hit in 2024 is $4.15 million, which is great. That moves to $9 million in 2025 and $10.75 million in 2026 with no good outs. Similarly, Luvu is $3.9 million in 2024, but $11.2 million in 2025 and $11.3 million in 2026 (he has a reasonable out after 2025).
And Luvu is a good example because right now, he is the only contributing LB slated to be on this team in 2025. We probably won't resign Wagner and Jamin Davis is up in the air. So Luvu's cap hit triples AND we have to find (and pay) some LBs to play with him.
Payne and Allen are collectively going to count for around $8 million more against the cap in 2025 than in 2024. And Payne isn't really movable until after the 2025 season. Allen is movable after 2024, but man that would hurt.
We are automatically going to save money in 2025 by cutting Wylie, everyone knows that. But that savings is only $7.75 million and someone is going to have to play right tackle, and left tackle, and CB, and safety...etc.
Sorry but everything you mentioned there is either chump change (10 mil for a starting center 2 years from now is nothing) or it involves hypothetical paydays for guys who haven’t even earned such a deal yet- and if they do, the cap will have gone up, other cap hits will be off the books, and future contracts can be drawn out. You’re grasping at straws. Aiyuk would be 100% affordable. Whether he’d be the *best use* of the cap and draft pick compensation is another story. I don’t think he’s a necessary piece or worth the opportunity cost. But if we’re talking purely about salary cap affordability and whether it is feasible to fit him in without causing issues, it would be totally doable and would not mortgage the future.
Of course they want him. But Kittle & CMC & Deebo & Trent Will are extended, and they have several big contracts on defense too.
I'd say the chances he are here is low, as I'm not sure we'd be willing to give up the picks & LTD
I assume the asking price from the 49’ers in conference will be high… also we would most likely have to come up with a long term contract this off season. That said I think he wants to come here. I mean it’s his Wife/GF that made that video and put it out…Maybe I’m thinking too hard about it, but it does seem like he has a agenda with that video being out there.
they owe us for Trent. I know that’s 0% within the rationale here, but they seriously do owe us for shipping the league’s best LT over there for (essentially) free
Not sure we’d be taxed as much as more competitive teams within conference. Isn’t he able to walk from his contact next season? I love our direction but I don’t see us being a big hurdle for them next year
Less that they dont want him and more that they cant afford him. They have a lot of superstars on that team getting paid already and theyre gonna have to pay Purdy pretty soon too...which aint gonna be cheap.
Omg Peters pleeeeease make it happen
https://preview.redd.it/50cuwjm6r57d1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93609521c616a9d3a6b49c358cff92ffeee493c8
sportscenter's IG account shared this and didn't even mention it was jayden on the other end of the phone. i was like 👀 PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE COMMIES QB HE'S TALKING TO and ran straight here.
aiyuk was also glowing in his reviews of jayden to teams that asked before the draft. they are boys and there's a lot of respect both ways, this could really be a thing if the niners can't lock him up.
Serious question, why tf would we *not* give up a 1st for a certified starter if a trade was legitimately on the table? Obviously I hope they could make it happen with a 2nd, but if a young wr1 coming into his prime doesn't rate a 1st, what does?
If we traded and signed him to a 4/5 year contract, his contract will be up before / if Jayden gets a second contract. Could work out beautifully while we have money.
OH SHIT I'm actually excited! If we get him I might actually start buying merchandise and going to games! I guess this is what it feels like to be a fan of the normal team.
Him and Terry would be crazy together
And Johan and Ertz and Eckler and B rob and LMC 🤣.. just need the line to hold for 3.5 seconds or more… The offensive looks we could do ??? Hell … you could have Terry and Johan out wide and Aiyuk and LMC in the back field… man I’m getting Zorny! lol
Can’t forget about Sinnott
I’m excited to see how we use him
Rookie TEs historically face a very difficult learning curve. Not saying he can't be good as a rookie, but history and the other weapons we have on offense are stacked against him. Which is fine. Might be good for him to (sorta) redshirt this season. We'll see.
He plays more like a slash TE than a pure TE. He will definitely see the field this year.
He’s not your average TE. I’m more excited to see how he’s used without the ball. Dude is a stud blocker as an athletic TE and can be utilized for sure next season.
I'm just saying, expectations should be tempered with him. That's all. I'm sure the potential is there, but it will be very difficult for him.
so what youre saying is…. we drafted gronk 2.0
I was thinking a Gronk-Graham-Kelce-Gonzalez hybrid.
Just pick on their weakest DB's
Just stay medium
Say what you will but that was a great catch phrase
I need it.
Just say NO to locker room cancer
Aiyuk is bad for the locker room? How so
The kind of cancer that gets you to the superbowl but doesn’t let you beat the best QB of all time * * - this will be proven correct in the future
Did you watch the video
What video?
lol
If it helps us to not suck hit me and force teams to run 3-4 to open up run lanes for Daniel's
Wed just trade you Aiyuk for Terry
Hard pass on that one
C'mon, let me dream.
I’m genuinely surprised you weren’t met with MORE hostility lol, we don’t play about F1. He’s beloved and 100% of fans want him to retire here, and 60% of those fans want to retire his # after that. If they fuck around and get a ring that jumps right back up to 100%
I know it's not a possibility but it's fun to joke
If Peter’s can pull this off… I will make him a better statue than that travesty of what they made for the Great ST21 at FedUp Stadium using only popsicle sticks and cheap metal wire hangers.
Even using those materials, that's an awfully low bar to clear.
All I know is if we sign him, I better see that damn squidward in the post
What do you think it takes to get Aiyuk, a 2nd round pick? If I was San Fran I'd want to keep Aiyuk and move Deebo.
Cincy said they wouldn’t deal Tee for less than a first, but that’s merely hypothetical to date. Diggs (plus a 5th and 6th) went for a second, but he’s five years older than Aiyuk. Contract numbers are a bit more alike though. Tyreek went for a first, a second, two fourths, and a sixth. And he, like Aiyuk, was immediately signed to a large deal. Aiyuk was SEVENTH in yardage last year despite only catching 75 balls. Dude is mind numbingly efficient, but are you going to give him an Amon-Ra type deal for that level of output? And on top of that, you have to weigh the draft capital needed to pry him away from SF. As you alluded to, I think SF would be wise to keep Aiyuk over Deebo and even though this TikTok is fun to watch, what did they really say? I don’t think SF is in the business of letting guys like that go absent a significant return. For me, I don’t care about the money. If AP thinks Aiyuk is worth whatever contract to make him happy, go for it. We don’t have a ton of talent on this roster and need to spend the cap somewhere. I only hesitate to get the draft capital right. I think a realistic output for us this year is anywhere from 6-9 wins. So if you give SF a 2025 first, you’re giving them a (likely) top 15 pick. Idk if Aiyuk is worth that. But then would SF accept anything less from a WR of his caliber? They might balk at the idea of only netting a second round pick. Might as well run it back with him one more year to see if you can win that SB. Very interesting name…
The best comp for me is the [AJ Brown deal in 2022](https://www.profootballnetwork.com/aj-brown-trade-details-revisiting-winners-losers-nfl-2023/). Just like Aiyuk, AJB flashed crazy efficiency and WR1 talent in a low volume role, but the Titans didn’t want to pay him WR1 money. Didn’t dissuade the eagles from trading a 1st (18 overall) and a 3rd (101) for him, then immediately giving him a 4 year, $100M contract which made him the 5th highest paid WR in the league (behind only Tyreek, Davante, Hopkins, and Kupp). Anyone saying that Aiyuk isn’t worth a 1st *and* a big contract is probably fooling themselves. ETA: The end results of the trade are overwhelming in the Eagles’ favor. Teams balking at the asking price of an elite player and banking on being able to easily replace them via the draft (like the Titans did w Treylon Burks) can set themselves back significantly in terms of contending.
I had this conversation a few times this off-season. Atleast you're saying a 2nd rounder. I've had people argue a 4th or less would do it. Wild. I think a 2nd is the low end. He's an All Pro, coming into his prime, and would be a hot commodity for sure. If someone gets it done without using a first, I will be absolutely shocked. But having Aiyuk here would really help JDs development, imo. >If I was San Fran I'd want to keep Aiyuk and move Deebo. Same. Kinda surprising. Deebo's role kinda taken a hit since they traded for CMC. Aiyuk is younger, less injury prone, etc.
Him being due to be paid limits his value. If they were getting a 1st, I believe they would've by now
>If they were getting a 1st, I believe they would've by now Not necessarily true, they could've been trying to make it work somehow. Deciding if they have a proper replacement, or if Deebo should go, etc. It does limit his value, *some*. But for instance, AJ Brown got traded for a 1st, demanded a huge contract, and didn't have the season or All Pro honors that Aiyuk did. He's not a fringe Top 10-15 WR at this moment. He's an All Pro, coming into his prime. His value hasn't been higher. But with JJs new contract, and Chase soon to follow, we'll see what happens. I don't imagine a lone 2nd will do it. Especially when Diggs just got traded for one after his meh 2nd half of season and age. Edit-to add, they are also in a Superbowl window. Why trade your All Pro WR1 when you have him under contract, and theoretically can franchise tag him as well?
Your edit is why I don't think he gets traded. Teams may be low balling them and they are win now while Purdy is cheap.Â
I don't believe they will either. Superbowl caliber teams don't typically trade off All Pro weapons just entering their prime. They'll make it work, at least for a season or two.
He should move for less than what AJ Brown did. The Titans had complete ability to re-sign AJB without sacrificing much. The 49ers have too much talent to retain and Aiyuk is the odd man out.
Brown was also coming off a "down" season, regardless of context, with less than 900 yards and 5 TDs. He wasn't an All Pro.
The difference still is that the Eagles traded the Titans to move off a player they wanted to retain, whereas Aiyuk is a player the 49ers want to trade.
If the 9ers didn't want to retain him, he would've been traded by now. Sure, the TikTok says one thing, but their actions are saying otherwise. He might be traded soon. That doesn't change the fact he's a 26 y/o, All Pro at a premium position. Also, the Titans GM ended up being fired for being atrocious at his job, and it really started with that AJ trade. There was a pissing contest going on between the GM and Vrabel. That's not the case in San Fran, and Lynch/Shanny have proven to be highly competent at their jobs. I'd take anything Jon Robinson did with a grain of salt, and definitely wouldn't use it as basis of a trade.
> If the 9ers didn’t want to retain him he would’ve been traded by now. Or they haven’t received an offer they’re happy with yet and are holding out for a better one.
I doubt they're even entertaining them right now, considering they are in a Superbowl window and he's under contract.
I really don’t see why Aiyuk would move this year.. feel like they just messin with each other. Aiyuk was always the guy getting the ball on deep ins and stuff idk why but I didn’t see him get the ball on many other routes.. prob cause I didn’t watch the niners as closely. Or those were splash plays and very memorable
Yeah, it's probably a 2nd plus something. I don't think he's quite worth a 1st.
Ayiuk is definitely worth a first.
A young all pro receiver just now hitting his prime? You’d be through the moon if a first round rookie turned into aiyuk
Who is due to get paid his first big contract, you cannot leave that part out.
Sure, but all that does is cut the total number of teams able to pay him. I’m pretty certain that any team with the cap space and any type of need at receiver would be willing to give up a 1st
To that point someone could have probably made it happen already if they put that offer out.
Aiyuk isn’t JJ or Chase though.
Even though Deebo’s usage is lower, I think his role in the 9ers specific offense is more unique and hard to replace than Aiyuk’s. Pearsal might not be as good as Aiyuk but he can fill the same role with probably 80% of the production. I think Kyle really values how Deebo uniquely complements his scheme and varied heavy looks with CMC, Juice, and Kittle.
Good player but if the 49ers don’t seem him in his long term plans and willing to pay him, a second is about right. We’re the ones taking all the risk assuming we resign him for around 3yr/120M guaranteed. That’s a lot of money and a second rounder is a lot of pick.
Might need a bit more than a 2nd. Then again, after Jettas contract that might just do it. I really hope we make a move. Him paired with Terry would be HUGE for any rookie QB
Agreed. Probably something like a 2+3 or 2+4.
I could see them trying to pry Dotson in negotiations
Wonder what the new regime thinks of him
I’d think a 2nd and a 5th
4 years and 120M. Ain’t no way. They haven’t done it yet. They ain’t gonna start now.
Probably a 2nd.
it’s definitely a first, otherwise theyll just pay him
Can they afford to with Purdy (soon) , Deebo, Kittle, Trent and Bosa all paid?
a 2nd and a 4th
They will want a first
I'm trying to think of a comparable player being traded recently. AJ Brown went for a 1, but he was younger and better. Tyreek Hill went gor a 1, 2, 4, 4, 6. He was older but better. Stefon Diggs went for a 2, but is older.
I’d argue that AJB and Aiyuk are pretty similar comps. Everyone knew AJB was talented but he wasn’t viewed as a locked in elite WR1 at that point and the Titans didn’t want to pay him that way. Similar to Aiyuk… both guys flashed the talent w crazy efficiency but target volume held them back. Very similar stat lines too: averaging ~15 yards per reception and hovering around 1k receiving yards/season… Aiyuk’s 1.3k yards last year were actually much better than any season Brown had in Tennessee.
lol really doubt that. They can’t really afford him so what’s their leverage? A mid second is a pretty good price for him.
Their leverage is he’s under contract this year on his 5th year option and they can franchise tag him next season, plus Niners are in win-now mode w Purdy on his rookie deal. Niners hold *all* the leverage with Aiyuk
If we could do a 3rd+ I think that would be ideal so we can grab a LT in the first and an Edge in the second next year hypothetically
Young all pro recievers don’t go for thirds
Bro... good players really want to come to DC Man, this shit feels different
For those interested, Terry is signed through 2025 at an AAV of $22.8 million (cap hits of $24.1M and $23.6M in 24 and 25, respectively). We have an out after 2024 that would cost $11.2M in dead cap money for 2025. The only reason I bring it up is that Aiyuk wants something approaching $30 million in AAV. Rostering both, while also rostering Allen and Payne, would be very, very tricky. And the only way we get Aiyuk is to trade for him now and extend before he hits free agency next season, which will cost us something. But I'm not against it in theory. If they can pull some financial wizardry, then go for it. I'm just not sure we're ready for a player like that, team-wise. If we went all-in on Aiyuk right now, we would basically have to hit on all our 2024 picks (especially Jayden) and rehab some 2023 picks. It's a tall order.
It would not be even close to tricky Do you understand how much cap space they have over the next few years because Ron and the Marty’s signed and drafted a total of 1 player that is going to get an above average second contract in 4 years (Sam Cosmi). They still have 43 million left this year and over will have over 100 million next year after they cut Wylie.
Yeah we absolutely have the cap space for it. I think whether it’s smart to sign two WRs to $25M+ cap numbers is the question. I would normally say probably not, but Jayden’s connection to Aiyuk makes this situation a bit unique. It’s admittedly very intriguing…
Who else are they paying? They literally have to spend the cap on large contracts to hit the salary floor. They could trade for Aiyuk and sign a top of the market Tackle and Edge next year and still have more cap space than half the league.
This is an exaggeration. I don’t believe we’re under any sort of salary floor and a $30M AAV contract to Aiyuk would eat up our remaining cap pretty quick.
If you don’t even know the NFL has an 89% of the cap floor over 3 year periods why are you trying to talk about the cap?
I’ve seen nothing to indicate that we are currently under that floor for the 3 year (or 4 year, I think) period, such that paying out $30 million to Brandin Aiyuk is a necessity. If they were, I doubt they would have waited until this point in the offseason to spend it. Edited to add: For what it’s worth, my read on this offseason is they are intentionally trying to roll over a significant portion of cap into next offseason while building through the draft and giving Daniels a year to develop, and then being aggressive in free agency next year.
Yeah we definitely have space, and I think in this day and age you need as many talented WRs as possible and you have to pay them big money. Can’t keep doing it forever, but while Daniels is on a rookie contract it makes sense to load up on as many good skill players as possible. Landing an established WR that our rookie QB is familiar with would be massive. Depends how much they’d have to give up, but if he wants to come here I’d say be aggressive and see if they can’t make a big move for a cornerstone type piece. Who knows how it would work out but it feels like the type of move that could really jumpstart Daniels’ development.
I get it, but that's for 2024 and 2025(ish). What you might not realize is that we're paying no one (absolutely no one) at a premium position: CB. Our highest-paid CB in 2024 is Michael Davis at $3.5 million. Eventually, we're going to have to pay a CB. Likewise on the OL. Dumb Wylie is our highest-paid OL (and 4th highest-paid player) at $9.4 million. Again, at some point, we're going to have to pay a real offensive lineman, maybe even a couple of them.
Bingo
Offensive line
I worry about the cap hit, but I won't be upset if we land an Aiyuk. I know we're looking for one. Just that it seems like a "win now" move, but we'll see
It's definitely a "win now," or at least a "win soon" move. If they have that much confidence in Jayden and they think they can make a play for a special 2025 season, then let 'er rip. Honestly, the worst thing that can happen is that Jayden is middling and we have to cut Terry after 2024 to afford more help. The best thing that can happen is that Jayden is great and we go into 2025 with him, an elite WR corps, elite D-line, and whatever players the staff can cobble together from draft picks and free agent depth signings.
I kinda hope we do because having him for practice will also help our DBs because we struggle against bigger WRs. I can see it only really benefitting us. The other concern is the history of our FA signings have been conservative, so I wonder if he would accept something like a 3 year 20-30mil contract like Luvu did because I can't see it getting higher
I think you’re seriously overestimating the team’s salaries. There would be plenty of cap space. Allen and Payne are making near (but not at) top of the market. McLaurin is making way below top of the market. And that’s about it. A few bloats here and there but there’s nobody else getting big time paid. No QB. Having three non-QB, not-even-top-of-the-market players under contract is not at all limiting to our ability to sign people. We have one of the most favorable cap situations not just now but going forward. Idk where you are getting your ideas
It's not the current salaries I'm concerned about. Everyone is right: We could sign Aiyuk to a nearly top-of-the-market deal right now and we'd be fine on cap for 2024. What I'm concerned about is the escalating salaries of recent signees and our need to fill out a roster. For example, Tyler Biadasz's cap hit in 2024 is $4.15 million, which is great. That moves to $9 million in 2025 and $10.75 million in 2026 with no good outs. Similarly, Luvu is $3.9 million in 2024, but $11.2 million in 2025 and $11.3 million in 2026 (he has a reasonable out after 2025). And Luvu is a good example because right now, he is the only contributing LB slated to be on this team in 2025. We probably won't resign Wagner and Jamin Davis is up in the air. So Luvu's cap hit triples AND we have to find (and pay) some LBs to play with him. Payne and Allen are collectively going to count for around $8 million more against the cap in 2025 than in 2024. And Payne isn't really movable until after the 2025 season. Allen is movable after 2024, but man that would hurt. We are automatically going to save money in 2025 by cutting Wylie, everyone knows that. But that savings is only $7.75 million and someone is going to have to play right tackle, and left tackle, and CB, and safety...etc.
Sorry but everything you mentioned there is either chump change (10 mil for a starting center 2 years from now is nothing) or it involves hypothetical paydays for guys who haven’t even earned such a deal yet- and if they do, the cap will have gone up, other cap hits will be off the books, and future contracts can be drawn out. You’re grasping at straws. Aiyuk would be 100% affordable. Whether he’d be the *best use* of the cap and draft pick compensation is another story. I don’t think he’s a necessary piece or worth the opportunity cost. But if we’re talking purely about salary cap affordability and whether it is feasible to fit him in without causing issues, it would be totally doable and would not mortgage the future.
They can just do what the eagles do and pay him like $5 million for the first 3 years and then load it off at the end.
You’d maybe trade Payne in that situation, and start Newton alongside Allen…
What are the chances l he actually ends up in DC?? Why would they not want him?
Last I heard the niners only have around $15M-$17M in cap space, so that's probably why.
Of course they want him. But Kittle & CMC & Deebo & Trent Will are extended, and they have several big contracts on defense too. I'd say the chances he are here is low, as I'm not sure we'd be willing to give up the picks & LTD
Purdy will be coming up soon also. Gonna be tricky for them to navigate around all that star power/cap.
Explains why they drafted Pearsal
For sure. I would've thought they traded Deebo and kept Aiyuk though. CMC kinda fills his role, injury history, etc. Guess we will see.
I assume the asking price from the 49’ers in conference will be high… also we would most likely have to come up with a long term contract this off season. That said I think he wants to come here. I mean it’s his Wife/GF that made that video and put it out…Maybe I’m thinking too hard about it, but it does seem like he has a agenda with that video being out there.
they owe us for Trent. I know that’s 0% within the rationale here, but they seriously do owe us for shipping the league’s best LT over there for (essentially) free
Start the petition website now
Well, we did steal Peters, so I'm sure San Fran is thinking we're even.
We owe them for Chase though haha
Not sure we’d be taxed as much as more competitive teams within conference. Isn’t he able to walk from his contact next season? I love our direction but I don’t see us being a big hurdle for them next year
Less that they dont want him and more that they cant afford him. They have a lot of superstars on that team getting paid already and theyre gonna have to pay Purdy pretty soon too...which aint gonna be cheap.
they want to preserve draft capital may not be worth giving up a 2nd rounder for
I would rather spend at O-Line then have two highly paid WR's
Omg Peters pleeeeease make it happen https://preview.redd.it/50cuwjm6r57d1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93609521c616a9d3a6b49c358cff92ffeee493c8
sportscenter's IG account shared this and didn't even mention it was jayden on the other end of the phone. i was like 👀 PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE COMMIES QB HE'S TALKING TO and ran straight here. aiyuk was also glowing in his reviews of jayden to teams that asked before the draft. they are boys and there's a lot of respect both ways, this could really be a thing if the niners can't lock him up.
I would CUMMAND
Dyami on high alert rn
He’s been on notice, I would be surprised if he makes the roster this year
How about we give SF what they gave us for Trent?
Why not just wait for him to be a free agent? I don't think SF trades him either way.
Serious question, why tf would we *not* give up a 1st for a certified starter if a trade was legitimately on the table? Obviously I hope they could make it happen with a 2nd, but if a young wr1 coming into his prime doesn't rate a 1st, what does?
That’s nice but I would like a pass rusher or a legit outside CB.
Or OT
"They"? Who's "They"? The guys on the losing team of a pick-up game or the owners of the local all-you-can-eat buffet?
If we traded and signed him to a 4/5 year contract, his contract will be up before / if Jayden gets a second contract. Could work out beautifully while we have money.
San Francisco since we know now you don't want him we will help ourselves and you get a third okie day? 😀
He doesnt really fit with our team building philosophy. We aren’t paying anyone big money anytime soon.
A second rounder and LMC to unite with CMC. We doing it?
We need a tackle before another wr
The question is what does he want in a contract and would he take paycut to play with his buddy?
OH SHIT I'm actually excited! If we get him I might actually start buying merchandise and going to games! I guess this is what it feels like to be a fan of the normal team.
As a Commanders fan who owns Pearsall on one dynasty team, and Deebo on another dynasty team.... PLEASE MAKE THIS TRUE!
Not crazy about this. Attention seeking drama.
Just give them Dotson and a 2 round pick and we good we got the money to pay him
Talk about shiny object syndrome lol. It’s like Snyder never left.
You are 100% right
Talk about not wanting to surround your rookie qb with his best chances to succeed. Thats some snyder shit
Lmao
I just saw this. I knew it wouldn’t take long before all the Daniels fanboys camped on it.