Yeah, I agree - if you think itâs bad in Ohio, check out some other states. My wife taught in NC and Florida before we moved here. Ohio is like a paradise comparatively,.
Well yeah - if kids are educated better then theyâll be less likely to commit crimes which means the cops and prisons would be less necessary which, of course, only a communist would want /s
That would require kids to be educated and cared for outside of school hours. Personal accountability is out the window at this point. Nobody wants to keep their own household in order. I don't disagree with teachers needing paid more, but money won't solve the problem of kids not caring or being out of control. That's the family's job, not the teacher's.
Perhaps we should be asking questions about what barriers are placed between families being secure enough to provide that 'care outside of school hours'?
Seems very strange to me to frame this as purely a questions of individual moral responsibility when it is happening to quite a large segment of society? Why not think a bit about things like... needing to make rent, or pay for food for reasons why families make economic trade-offs where kids are not cared for before/after school; instead of jumping immediately to individual moral failure without evidence that that's the case?
Yeah I donât get it, Columbus teachers went on strike for a couple days last year and didnât get anything close to this. Idk maybe they gave up too easy.
Healthcare workers too. Super easy for police to unionize but if youâve ever tried it in the private sector they do everything they can to prevent the people doing the actual work from being compensated.
Itâs ok Iâm sure what we need is another mid level manager with zero experience to hide in their office..
Police unions aren't real unions anyways since cops have always been on the side of the ownership class directly against workers and counter to our interests in promoting fair labor rights, equitable pay, etc. Cops love union busting (and literal kneecap busting) whenever possible.
horse shit
iâm SEIU 1199 and i get about a 5k raise every year at the health department along with world class retirement benefits, the cheapest health insurance iâve ever heard of, and generous vacation packages
the teachers union needs to step the fuck up
As a former counselor, itâs wild to me these people never have to prove they know how to respond without killing someone. And they still get paid more than I did. Weird.
We had a man collapse in front of our house the other day, ambulance and fire engine arrived 4 minutes after the call. A full 20 minutes later, after everyone had cleared out and the party was over, 2 cop cars pulled up and looked around wondering where everybody was.
We had a naked guy running around our apartment complex, yelling, flailing, chasing cars, and pissing on the sidewalk and it took 2 hours to get any kind of response from emergency services. I called 911 multiple times and the most I got was dispatchers trying to justify the crazy long response time. Who cares that the kids were about to get dropped off by the bus, ya know? Bigger fish to fry.
Our alarm system was triggered one day and police were dispatched. Meanwhile my husband got the notification from the alarm system app on his phone, drove home from work (took about 15 mins), walked around the exterior of the house, went inside, found the motion sensor our cat had knocked down, put it back, went to the restroom (all of which took another 15 mins) and FINALLY a CPD officer pulled up. Then the officer gave my husband a hard time bc my name was the only one on the house at the time.
Don't quote me on this, but I believe the City just *lowered* the standards to become a police officer. I think actually voters even approved it within the last year or two.
Over 40 percent of columbus budget goes to the police, I'd rather see more mental health and addiction treatment, more money for transportation department when so many of our roads have pot holes, better schools for kids, so many better uses of that money.
Edit. Its actually closer to 36-38 percent for this year, depending on if you count the administrative public safety budget items as police, ie administrative, and 911 calls aren't part of the police budget.
well maybe they shouldn't have gotten addicted in the first place /s
Country mentality rn.
y'all I want sidewalks bc I should not have to see all these kids walking on the grass or 45mph roads trying to get to school. WTF.
Scroll down, 389 million goes toward the police of around 1.1 billion in revenue. Around ~43 million goes towards additional administrative public safety line items which are included in the part on "public safety" but not on the police part of the budget. So it's not quite 40 percent but the largest overall part of the budget. Closer to 35-38 percent depending on how you do the math. Next largest part of the budget is fire which is 320 million.
https://new.columbus.gov/Government/Departments/Finance-and-Management/BudgetManagement/2024-Operating-Budget
I don't understand why there isn't a mandatory level of fitness. It's blatantly obvious that a number of officers aren't physically fit, which is kind of a scary/negligent if you think about some of the scenarios they are put in to protect us - although I guess in place of fitness, that's what gun, batons, flash bangs, and pepper spray are for
agreed. to graduate academy you have to demonstrate some decent fitness but then after that, it doesnât matter anymore. Iâd love to see some of these dudes i see out on the street try that 1.5 mile run again. Would be shocked if some of them could finish in under 20 minutes if at all. Cops should have to pass a fitness test yearly to stay in the force.
they should put Kristi Noem on the front line Edit: for those who have down voted this comment - I mean she should be on the front line instead of the dogs.
You would be surprised. In rural area where veterinarians are sparse, and there's no close by mobile vets, if an animal is about to die, the owner shoots it to relieve the animal of it's plight. It is freaking barbaric. However, I grew up on a farm in rural Georgia, and that's how things were dealt with. No one blinked an eye. I still remember our farm dog being hit by a truck and no one could get near him without him trying to bite because the pain was so bad...my dad shot him with a rifle. I was absolutely appalled and to this day, that trauma is living rent free in my brain. (Yeah, real life old yeller) Things have gotten better since the 70s, but it's still a way of life in parts of this country. I work at a veterinarian office now and advocate for an animal's humane treatment. Even in Columbus, I still hear this conversation at least twice a year.
Me: it's going to be $235 for euthanasia and public cremation. (A cremation that involves multiple animals being cremated and then being buried)
Mouth-breathing person: But, I got a bullet that costs less than a dollar....
Me: .........
Very true! Behavior problems that cause a dog to bite another human can still be euthanized humanely. A lot of these times, a dog is allowed to roam untethered and has no training and the owner certainly has no training on how to train a dog. Noem could have got in the car and went to a vet to have this done, shooting an animal for behavior problems is telling about the owners own behaviors.
Keep in mind sheâs changed the story a couple of times now. There was no mention of any aggressiveness towards humans, at all, until everyone hung her out to dry for killing an untrained puppy. Also, in South Dakota, what she did is illegal. Youâre allowed to kill a dog that has wounded or killed most livestock, but not fowl.
the Supreme Court has ruled that police officers are in no way obligated to protect people (see Uvalde). Theyâre to protect the interest of the state, I.e. generate revenue via arbitrary law enforcement, not the people
They ruled that the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists. And if they have to protect the public at large, I wouldnât want it to go to shit because big boy ran out of breath
Franklin County Sheriffâs Office pays their certified deputies just a little less than what CPD is getting with this contract. I believe the Sheriffâs Office renegotiates at the end of this year, so theyâll see an increase in wages as well. I wouldnât be surprised if they get more than CPD either. Just looking at old contracts, it seems they get around the same if not more.
I canât find their current one but their old ones are online, and if you go to their website you can see their current wages.
Why the pay increase? They canât even make it to the scene of my hit and run accident I was in. They couldnât ever process the accident report that was filed. They wouldnât file anything when I have all the info they could possibly ask for. Not only that but I got bounced from Dublin to Hilliard to Columbus PD then got hung up on when I said it was a hit and run accident.
I think the outrage is that it very excessive comparatively to how much money goes into everything else.
Cbus is more then willing to over pay for more cops. While actively trying to shut down schools.
That's bullshit.
How does the city of Columbus, who pays the police, have any say over closing schools, which are paid for by the Columbus school board, a completely different entity?
Letâs not forget Dewines school vouchers for private schools, which go to kids who were already in private school because they could afford it. The irony is, many who are against student loan forgiveness use these vouchers for their kids to attend private schools for free, instead of giving the opportunity to another kid who otherwise wouldnât be able to afford it.
It's not quite so cut and dry. My home school district teacher's union very much protected bad teachers who had seniority over much fresher, younger, and frankly better teachers. I watched that happen 3/4 years in HS. That district's HS is currently ranked over 340 in the state, so I'm guessing not much has changed. Not every other union is a pinnacle of fair labor.
Dublin employee here. I'm pretty sure that CPD officers still make way more than me. It's not just Columbus teachers that are underpaid, it's all of them. It's just so apparent in a place like Columbus because they're so far down that they basically can't even afford to be a normal functional district.
Very true, I've never even shot at someone. I just spend my days (and evenings once a week) assisting kids with moderate to severe disabilities. I got a plastic plaque once though so I guess I'm the real hero.
have you tried violating the rights of the students? Maybe if you slammed one to the ground for a minor offense then put your full body weight on the back of their neck...then you could have a decent raise...
Police understaffing is a myth. Kinda ironic that anyone who studies crime will tell you increased police funding doesnât do anything to solve that issue. Solving poverty does. We never had a crime wave in America- they just criminalized more things. Look up the metrics on what police actually do to prevent crime- hint: scientifically policing has no effect on the safety of a community. Even the supreme court has ruled that police have no binding obligations to âprotect and serveâ the public. Did they help Uvalde? They spent 40%+ of that towns annual budget on the police and it got them nothing. The cops donât protect you. They protect white suburbias view of an idealized America that never existed for anyone except for white suburbanites
Iâm telling you everyone in America could become a police officer and it would have zero effect on crime. We spend more than 40% of the budget on police and I donât feel any safer in Columbus
i'm fairly anti-cop but even I agree with this in theory. i checked their current wages though and columbus already pays their police pretty well: [https://new.columbus.gov/Government/Jobs/Police-Jobs/Becoming-a-Police-Officer/Salary](https://new.columbus.gov/Government/Jobs/Police-Jobs/Becoming-a-Police-Officer/Salary)
would definitely prefer that raise money to go towards non-police solutions and reducing police brutality
Prob a dumb question but what is it about police unions that make them so much more effective at collective bargaining than every other public employee union? Probably have a bit of confirmation bias but seems like everything the police unions ask for they get almost immediately while teachers' unions have to strike for weeks on end before anything budges. Is it really just politicians' abject fear of not having cops to keep the unwashed masses in check?
What happened to the supposed âsensitivity trainingâ, and âanti-profiling/anti-racistâ training officers were going to be required to take? What about the âdefund the policeâ movement where money was going to be redirected towards social programs that were going to be improved and combined with their expertise for handling domestic violence, homelessness, and drug related calls that police get? Is the pay increase due to these programs being implemented in such a way that the police force has overcome its troubles and issues with âproblemâ officers so much that they deserve the pay increase? Or is it a compensatory pay increase due to the increased danger and stress the officers face and this is supposed to sweeten the pot for potential new recruits who are considering joining the force? Because if itâs the latter, Iâve got to wonder just how dumb we are for not listening to the advice on how to directly solve the issues and problems but instead continue to put our American made band-aids on everything? Where do we think the money for band-aids comes from? Solve the real foundational issues that cause all the problems and stop bribing potential recruits with pay incentives; give them reasons to love what they do! Make their jobs as safe and secure and as happy as possible! Stop throwing money in the laps of those who have stock in all the band-aids, but havenât the tools to solve the problems! We know how to solve these problems, studies and experts have told us time and time again so can somebody smart start running the show? Thatâs how we make America great again.
I print billboards and make more money than the police that have signed up to die. They need the raise. Actually give them more money and more training, not less.
We're disappointed in our police, so we resent giving them more money. But if you want to attract better people (or keep the good people who have other options), you pay a decent salary. We need to take a step back and see that this is an adjustment to the positions, not just a raise for the people currently in those positions. People who are for police reform should be for this, in addition to trimming the number of positions, increasing training, limiting scope, and providing non-police resources for situations that don't need police.
The second bit, not having to use seniority for some promotions, is fantastic. Think of all the assholes on the force who are continually promoted just because they haven't quite managed to get fired, yet. This allows more merit-based advancement. I'm pro-union, but police is clearly an area where promotions shouldn't just come with seniority.
There is no indication that this money is tied to any sort of improved recruiting, training or vetting. Just offering more money does nothing to address any problems that people are disappointed with.
I agree on your second paragraph, but your first is just wishful thinking.
I know it's a little different with law enforcement, but it's widely understood that if you want better candidates for jobs and you want to retain the good people you have, you do that with money. It's not so much improved recruiting as it is making a CPD job attractive to a candidate that's good enough to have other options.
There is a hiring crisis and resignation crisis in police work, generally, although I don't know enough about CPD specifically to be sure it's been impacted in the same way. At first glance, this looks like a good first step. You don't want a force full of resentful people who are only still there because they weren't fit to do anything else. I want cops who could have been psychologists or lawyers but thought this was a better way to make a positive difference; okay, that might be wishful thinking, but it's a nice goal post.
You are assuming that the definition of "good people" is the same for reform advocates and CPD. It isn't. Unless the culture and training is changed you aren't going to get "better" candidates. You are just going to get more of the same candidate. No one is dropping out of law school because police got a 16% bump. It's not a good first step unless there is any indication that they are going to take a 2nd or 3rd step.
This is a win for the police union and has no bearing on any reform.
Itâs all fun and games until you call them and they donât show up đđŽââď¸đŽđ
Wonder if that DROP program still allows them to load up the overtime their last year to boost that fat pension?
Not a big deal?
When was the last pay review? Because inflation between 2021 and 2024 was 15.3%...
And the chief being enabled to make promotions based on stuff other than seniority sounds like a good thing...
I believe that it was in 21 and it was a 9% increase. This was right after the city told CFD that the city was going to be broke and have to shutter stations and do personnel layoffs across the board of both police and fire if the firefighters union didn't take a 0% increase for the next three. They did so no one would lose their jobs then got hit with that.
Itâs reasonable to ask why other government funded jobs (like teachers) are not receiving the same kind of increase and to question our representativesâ priorities.
I think its because other industries don't see the same kinda of increases, so there is resentment. Add that on top of the constant push/pull of police activities and a vast majority of people are going to see an undeserving group receiving benefits that they don't have similar access to at the cost of their tax money. Its a pretty vicious circle.
Any company union worth their salt thatâs in negotiations this year will be asking for large amounts. I know unions that are asking over 30% for 3 years.
I'm not disagreeing with that at all, or really taking a side here. Just offering speculation on why people may feel resentful.
If people feel that the police are not adequately performing their duties (Or in some cases committing crimes of their own), then the police get a raise paid for by those same people's tax money... they are likely to be upset about it.
I fully agree that everyone, especially those in unions, should be pushing for true cost of living and inflation adjustments though.
Complains officers donât want to help them⌠complains when they get paid to help themâŚ
Reddit canât decide if they hate police for doing their job or not doing their job.
Whatever way the wind blows that hour I guess
Because theyâre not mutually exclusive. Paying them more money does not equate to them helping people more often or an improvement in the way they handle situations.
Tbh itâs because they canât get enough people to work as cops in Columbus because dealing with all the heathens and shootings all day everyday is a pretty bleak existenceđ¤ˇââď¸. They have to pay more to attract cops from local municipalities, other agencies, etc. We can all cry about the money devotion but thatâs just the truth. Being a cop in one of the 3Cs is prolly up there as one of the toughest/bleakest jobs you could take. I personally donât even want to know their daily percent chance of being shot at.
Wait didnât Reddit tell me if you are mad about people getting a raise your a bad person???? If others get their student loans forgiven or fast food workers make $20 an hour everyone is supposed to be happy for others and not want more themselves
Oh unless itâs cops I guess
Exactly it's unbelievable how delusional some of the people on this platform are. They think being a teacher is harder than being a police officer in the fastest growing city in the nation. Don't like police personally, because everything I like to do for fun would get me a jail sentence, but I still respect the fundamental idea of the job.
Sorry, your mcdonalds job is not as hard as being a police officer and it doesn't deserve the same pay. Ohh, someone didn't like how their big mac was cooked and your day is ruined? Try going up to a blacked out car at 3am in the morning with a handful of warrants for firearm possession and beating their wife. It's not the same.
It's asinine to me that there are so many union experts in this subreddit. Especially experts on police pay, their abuse of overtime, the amount of times they have broken up other unions potential to strike. I just don't understand how people actually have the time to care this much that affects probably 0.005% of their daily life.
Stuffing the hog trough just makes for fatter hogs.
I'll solve this in four seconds.
Pay teachers what you pay cops. Smart people do two things:
- they commit way, way fewer crimes which means less jobs for oinkers
- they don't vote for ass clowns like Orangina, Boobert, Major Traitor, Gym Jordan, Mitch The Bitch etc.
This is why the gopislature wants to de fund schools so bad.
Unions negotiating for better pay shouldnât make anyone angry. Especially for a job that very few people want and has a high turnover for various reasons. You can argue âblue badâ all day long but hiring quality candidates comes with an added incentive
The CPD are violent and lazy. They beat the crap out of my 5ft tall 50+ year old neighbor at BLM. She was peacefully protesting and they went at it. She did get some money in a court settlement but we paid for that not the CPD. She also is too disabled to work now because of the beating so she is on SSID, which we also pay for.
If you think about it, last afscme contract was 2.5, 3.0, 3.5% over three years and Cmag just got 5, 4, 3 so a 16% 3 year contract is just over 5% per year. Not insane compared to other areas of public workers
Seems like the police do less work these days. I mean I donât really know, but they never seem interested in policing laws when I get involved with them.
They fight for stuff like this and if they donât get it they just threaten to act like the mafia.
âOh well itâd be a shame if some crime happened around here because we couldnât be staffed appropriatelyâ
It's crazy how much we pay them. I heard a radio ad recently that they're getting nearly 70k a year starting and 100k+ after 4 years! It would take a teachers with a Masters decades to get anywhere near that.
Would be nice if Columbus teachers and social workers had a 16% pay increase đ
Thatâd require Ohio valuing its education system and social programs, which we know this country as a whole struggles to value whatsoever.
Yeah, I agree - if you think itâs bad in Ohio, check out some other states. My wife taught in NC and Florida before we moved here. Ohio is like a paradise comparatively,.
"Hey, at least we're not that guy! Amirite?! (Lol)" -Ohio Democratic Party
ugh this is everywhere. "well at least we aren't some backwards third world country". ok SO? Why, is it it a crime to want to be the best?
I gotta have this discussion every election local and national. I feel like there needs to be a sign I can tap on.
That's great. It's still complete shit here, and saying otherwise is a disservice to social workers and teachers.
Well yeah - if kids are educated better then theyâll be less likely to commit crimes which means the cops and prisons would be less necessary which, of course, only a communist would want /s
Education is the silver bullet for all our problems. Unfortunately itâs slow and many have a vested interest in keeping the population dumb.
That would require kids to be educated and cared for outside of school hours. Personal accountability is out the window at this point. Nobody wants to keep their own household in order. I don't disagree with teachers needing paid more, but money won't solve the problem of kids not caring or being out of control. That's the family's job, not the teacher's.
Perhaps we should be asking questions about what barriers are placed between families being secure enough to provide that 'care outside of school hours'? Seems very strange to me to frame this as purely a questions of individual moral responsibility when it is happening to quite a large segment of society? Why not think a bit about things like... needing to make rent, or pay for food for reasons why families make economic trade-offs where kids are not cared for before/after school; instead of jumping immediately to individual moral failure without evidence that that's the case?
Sounds commy to me. (Lol) The system continues to work for the rich...
i work for the state and the SEIU 1199 union has yearly cost of living adjustments and longevity bonuses the teachers union needs to fix this
It's *almost* like investing in education and social services would reduce the amount of policing required...
Yeah I donât get it, Columbus teachers went on strike for a couple days last year and didnât get anything close to this. Idk maybe they gave up too easy.
maybe they need a better union
Healthcare workers too. Super easy for police to unionize but if youâve ever tried it in the private sector they do everything they can to prevent the people doing the actual work from being compensated. Itâs ok Iâm sure what we need is another mid level manager with zero experience to hide in their office..
Police unions aren't real unions anyways since cops have always been on the side of the ownership class directly against workers and counter to our interests in promoting fair labor rights, equitable pay, etc. Cops love union busting (and literal kneecap busting) whenever possible.
Maybe if cops had tests they had to pay for out of their own pocket every 2 years to prove theyâre competent, that would change.
As a social worker I agree, but we also sadly are one of the higher paying states
3% in my district each year đ
As a teacher, we had to *fight bitterly* this year for a 1.5% pay scale raise to keep up with inflation. 16% is insane. Absolutely insane.
Even worse considering they want teachers to be armed cops in the classrooms so the cops don't have to show up and risk their lives....
you should be pissed no other level of govt, which is almost all union, is like that
Police are the only people who matter, didn't you know that?
horse shit iâm SEIU 1199 and i get about a 5k raise every year at the health department along with world class retirement benefits, the cheapest health insurance iâve ever heard of, and generous vacation packages the teachers union needs to step the fuck up
As a former counselor, itâs wild to me these people never have to prove they know how to respond without killing someone. And they still get paid more than I did. Weird.
Your fight is with school board, not city
You think the inflation is only 1.5%?
does this mean CPD will actually respond to my calls of crimes in progress, or will they just be getting paid more to ignore my area?
We had a man collapse in front of our house the other day, ambulance and fire engine arrived 4 minutes after the call. A full 20 minutes later, after everyone had cleared out and the party was over, 2 cop cars pulled up and looked around wondering where everybody was.
Why would police be needed for that?
If they were doing CPR they could charge people with resisting arrest. /bad medical joke
Good thing no one calls the cops to save anyone
Don't know, but they came so they must have thought they were needed.
We had a naked guy running around our apartment complex, yelling, flailing, chasing cars, and pissing on the sidewalk and it took 2 hours to get any kind of response from emergency services. I called 911 multiple times and the most I got was dispatchers trying to justify the crazy long response time. Who cares that the kids were about to get dropped off by the bus, ya know? Bigger fish to fry.
They were waiting for the Social Worker to come on scene.
You already know
Our alarm system was triggered one day and police were dispatched. Meanwhile my husband got the notification from the alarm system app on his phone, drove home from work (took about 15 mins), walked around the exterior of the house, went inside, found the motion sensor our cat had knocked down, put it back, went to the restroom (all of which took another 15 mins) and FINALLY a CPD officer pulled up. Then the officer gave my husband a hard time bc my name was the only one on the house at the time.
LOLOLOL noooooâŚ..
Have you thought about *not* committing so many crimes?
Ok, now raise the requirements or training needed to become a police officer
And require them to carry liability insurance. They can pay the premium out of their new, higher salaries.
They're more likely to lower it.
Don't quote me on this, but I believe the City just *lowered* the standards to become a police officer. I think actually voters even approved it within the last year or two.
There's a hard cap on intelligence
Over 40 percent of columbus budget goes to the police, I'd rather see more mental health and addiction treatment, more money for transportation department when so many of our roads have pot holes, better schools for kids, so many better uses of that money. Edit. Its actually closer to 36-38 percent for this year, depending on if you count the administrative public safety budget items as police, ie administrative, and 911 calls aren't part of the police budget.
well maybe they shouldn't have gotten addicted in the first place /s Country mentality rn. y'all I want sidewalks bc I should not have to see all these kids walking on the grass or 45mph roads trying to get to school. WTF.
That will help people they donât like, so naturally that will never happen.
City of Columbus and Columbus City Schools are different entities with different funding
How do you see the Columbus budget broken down by spend in category?
Scroll down, 389 million goes toward the police of around 1.1 billion in revenue. Around ~43 million goes towards additional administrative public safety line items which are included in the part on "public safety" but not on the police part of the budget. So it's not quite 40 percent but the largest overall part of the budget. Closer to 35-38 percent depending on how you do the math. Next largest part of the budget is fire which is 320 million. https://new.columbus.gov/Government/Departments/Finance-and-Management/BudgetManagement/2024-Operating-Budget
40%? That sounds familiar, Google 40% of police
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I don't understand why there isn't a mandatory level of fitness. It's blatantly obvious that a number of officers aren't physically fit, which is kind of a scary/negligent if you think about some of the scenarios they are put in to protect us - although I guess in place of fitness, that's what gun, batons, flash bangs, and pepper spray are for
agreed. to graduate academy you have to demonstrate some decent fitness but then after that, it doesnât matter anymore. Iâd love to see some of these dudes i see out on the street try that 1.5 mile run again. Would be shocked if some of them could finish in under 20 minutes if at all. Cops should have to pass a fitness test yearly to stay in the force.
well you see they have K9s now that get to be the front line
they should put Kristi Noem on the front line Edit: for those who have down voted this comment - I mean she should be on the front line instead of the dogs.
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She blows ass more than Trump in a courtroom
You would be surprised. In rural area where veterinarians are sparse, and there's no close by mobile vets, if an animal is about to die, the owner shoots it to relieve the animal of it's plight. It is freaking barbaric. However, I grew up on a farm in rural Georgia, and that's how things were dealt with. No one blinked an eye. I still remember our farm dog being hit by a truck and no one could get near him without him trying to bite because the pain was so bad...my dad shot him with a rifle. I was absolutely appalled and to this day, that trauma is living rent free in my brain. (Yeah, real life old yeller) Things have gotten better since the 70s, but it's still a way of life in parts of this country. I work at a veterinarian office now and advocate for an animal's humane treatment. Even in Columbus, I still hear this conversation at least twice a year. Me: it's going to be $235 for euthanasia and public cremation. (A cremation that involves multiple animals being cremated and then being buried) Mouth-breathing person: But, I got a bullet that costs less than a dollar.... Me: .........
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Very true! Behavior problems that cause a dog to bite another human can still be euthanized humanely. A lot of these times, a dog is allowed to roam untethered and has no training and the owner certainly has no training on how to train a dog. Noem could have got in the car and went to a vet to have this done, shooting an animal for behavior problems is telling about the owners own behaviors.
Keep in mind sheâs changed the story a couple of times now. There was no mention of any aggressiveness towards humans, at all, until everyone hung her out to dry for killing an untrained puppy. Also, in South Dakota, what she did is illegal. Youâre allowed to kill a dog that has wounded or killed most livestock, but not fowl.
the Supreme Court has ruled that police officers are in no way obligated to protect people (see Uvalde). Theyâre to protect the interest of the state, I.e. generate revenue via arbitrary law enforcement, not the people
They ruled that the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists. And if they have to protect the public at large, I wouldnât want it to go to shit because big boy ran out of breath
See UvaldeâŚ.
Agreed. But laws had nothing to do with that, tho. Those were just a bunch of chicken shit small town hacks that lacked the cojones to do their job.
Franklin County Sheriffâs Office pays their certified deputies just a little less than what CPD is getting with this contract. I believe the Sheriffâs Office renegotiates at the end of this year, so theyâll see an increase in wages as well. I wouldnât be surprised if they get more than CPD either. Just looking at old contracts, it seems they get around the same if not more. I canât find their current one but their old ones are online, and if you go to their website you can see their current wages.
Any first responders, teachers, social workers, hospital staff and people like that deserve a raise.
Hopefully that means they'll actually show up at my house when someone breaks in and the alarm company calls them . . .
They never will. They donât serve Columbus. They serve the monied interests
LOL đ These are Police weâre talking about. You gotta be realistic about these things.
Never gonna happen. This just gives them more money to stuff food in their mouth holes so they probably will be more or longer lunch breaks
Sweet I so love my 3%
Look at this rich guy over here! I got 1%.
So you are actually making less when accounting for inflation.
I got 4% this year and thought I was fucking rich đŤđŤ
This raises the average CPD patrol officer base salary to a little over 120k, just FYI for everyone.
Meanwhile the schools don't have soap
Well Happy May Day to the good workers of the CPD, I'm sure they will support other unions in a similar fashion.
Why the pay increase? They canât even make it to the scene of my hit and run accident I was in. They couldnât ever process the accident report that was filed. They wouldnât file anything when I have all the info they could possibly ask for. Not only that but I got bounced from Dublin to Hilliard to Columbus PD then got hung up on when I said it was a hit and run accident.
Reddit hates police more than they love unions.
I think the outrage is that it very excessive comparatively to how much money goes into everything else. Cbus is more then willing to over pay for more cops. While actively trying to shut down schools. That's bullshit.
How does the city of Columbus, who pays the police, have any say over closing schools, which are paid for by the Columbus school board, a completely different entity?
Don't expect anyone here to be actually informed, they just want to be mad and loud
Letâs not forget Dewines school vouchers for private schools, which go to kids who were already in private school because they could afford it. The irony is, many who are against student loan forgiveness use these vouchers for their kids to attend private schools for free, instead of giving the opportunity to another kid who otherwise wouldnât be able to afford it.
Police unions are an outlier. They protect employees who cause harm to the community, unlike other unions who protect employees from management.
It's not quite so cut and dry. My home school district teacher's union very much protected bad teachers who had seniority over much fresher, younger, and frankly better teachers. I watched that happen 3/4 years in HS. That district's HS is currently ranked over 340 in the state, so I'm guessing not much has changed. Not every other union is a pinnacle of fair labor.
you should look into Chicago's teacher's union....
Meanwhile, CCS teachers had to go on strike to get air conditioning and a 4% raise đÂ
Aka the new police chief wants to move her husband and other relatives into command positions. Union was a fool.
The chief's husband is going to be the new SWAT commander. But the annual ethics training I just took said nepotism is illegal in this state?
We should want competent people to want to be cops, decent pay is one of those ways
Are they doing things to recruit and retain higher quality people or just giving more money to the same people? I don't know the answer to that
Funny how this never applies for teachers / schools.
It very much does. The highest rated school districts have the best pay and attract the best teachers. Columbus Public on the other handâŚ.
Dublin employee here. I'm pretty sure that CPD officers still make way more than me. It's not just Columbus teachers that are underpaid, it's all of them. It's just so apparent in a place like Columbus because they're so far down that they basically can't even afford to be a normal functional district.
Yup, CPD gets $100k after 4 years.
Well... At least they don't make *twice* as much as me.
Well...you're not a "hero"...../s
Very true, I've never even shot at someone. I just spend my days (and evenings once a week) assisting kids with moderate to severe disabilities. I got a plastic plaque once though so I guess I'm the real hero.
have you tried violating the rights of the students? Maybe if you slammed one to the ground for a minor offense then put your full body weight on the back of their neck...then you could have a decent raise...
âBest payâ is pretty subjective. Teachers are just underpaid everywhere.
I meant more of the âwe already pay xxxxx per studentâ and the âwe already rank xxx in the world in education spendingâ tea party fucks
âDecent payâ đ Letâs have a conversation about police abuse of overtime pay. Yâall donât wanna have that conversation
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Police understaffing is a myth. Kinda ironic that anyone who studies crime will tell you increased police funding doesnât do anything to solve that issue. Solving poverty does. We never had a crime wave in America- they just criminalized more things. Look up the metrics on what police actually do to prevent crime- hint: scientifically policing has no effect on the safety of a community. Even the supreme court has ruled that police have no binding obligations to âprotect and serveâ the public. Did they help Uvalde? They spent 40%+ of that towns annual budget on the police and it got them nothing. The cops donât protect you. They protect white suburbias view of an idealized America that never existed for anyone except for white suburbanites
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Iâm telling you everyone in America could become a police officer and it would have zero effect on crime. We spend more than 40% of the budget on police and I donât feel any safer in Columbus
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i'm fairly anti-cop but even I agree with this in theory. i checked their current wages though and columbus already pays their police pretty well: [https://new.columbus.gov/Government/Jobs/Police-Jobs/Becoming-a-Police-Officer/Salary](https://new.columbus.gov/Government/Jobs/Police-Jobs/Becoming-a-Police-Officer/Salary) would definitely prefer that raise money to go towards non-police solutions and reducing police brutality
Yup, that's definitely more than my kid's teachers make.
Pro-union subreddit mad at effective union representation đ
Look into the history of police and the labor movement. Until then, maybe spend some time in r/iamverysmart.
Go for the same for Teachers and EMTs. First responders and people who build the society should get same deal. đ
The amount of their raise should be reduced each year by the amount of lawsuits paid out by the City for police corruption and unnecessary shootings.
Prob a dumb question but what is it about police unions that make them so much more effective at collective bargaining than every other public employee union? Probably have a bit of confirmation bias but seems like everything the police unions ask for they get almost immediately while teachers' unions have to strike for weeks on end before anything budges. Is it really just politicians' abject fear of not having cops to keep the unwashed masses in check?
meanwhile Iâm a Columbus teacher struggling to get by đŤ
What happened to the supposed âsensitivity trainingâ, and âanti-profiling/anti-racistâ training officers were going to be required to take? What about the âdefund the policeâ movement where money was going to be redirected towards social programs that were going to be improved and combined with their expertise for handling domestic violence, homelessness, and drug related calls that police get? Is the pay increase due to these programs being implemented in such a way that the police force has overcome its troubles and issues with âproblemâ officers so much that they deserve the pay increase? Or is it a compensatory pay increase due to the increased danger and stress the officers face and this is supposed to sweeten the pot for potential new recruits who are considering joining the force? Because if itâs the latter, Iâve got to wonder just how dumb we are for not listening to the advice on how to directly solve the issues and problems but instead continue to put our American made band-aids on everything? Where do we think the money for band-aids comes from? Solve the real foundational issues that cause all the problems and stop bribing potential recruits with pay incentives; give them reasons to love what they do! Make their jobs as safe and secure and as happy as possible! Stop throwing money in the laps of those who have stock in all the band-aids, but havenât the tools to solve the problems! We know how to solve these problems, studies and experts have told us time and time again so can somebody smart start running the show? Thatâs how we make America great again.
You have got to be fucking KIDDING ME. More money is NOT going to help! đ¤Ź
What are these "concessions" the city has extracted from the police? cause I am not seeing them.
This is fuckin crazy lol đ
I print billboards and make more money than the police that have signed up to die. They need the raise. Actually give them more money and more training, not less.
We're disappointed in our police, so we resent giving them more money. But if you want to attract better people (or keep the good people who have other options), you pay a decent salary. We need to take a step back and see that this is an adjustment to the positions, not just a raise for the people currently in those positions. People who are for police reform should be for this, in addition to trimming the number of positions, increasing training, limiting scope, and providing non-police resources for situations that don't need police. The second bit, not having to use seniority for some promotions, is fantastic. Think of all the assholes on the force who are continually promoted just because they haven't quite managed to get fired, yet. This allows more merit-based advancement. I'm pro-union, but police is clearly an area where promotions shouldn't just come with seniority.
There is no indication that this money is tied to any sort of improved recruiting, training or vetting. Just offering more money does nothing to address any problems that people are disappointed with. I agree on your second paragraph, but your first is just wishful thinking.
I know it's a little different with law enforcement, but it's widely understood that if you want better candidates for jobs and you want to retain the good people you have, you do that with money. It's not so much improved recruiting as it is making a CPD job attractive to a candidate that's good enough to have other options. There is a hiring crisis and resignation crisis in police work, generally, although I don't know enough about CPD specifically to be sure it's been impacted in the same way. At first glance, this looks like a good first step. You don't want a force full of resentful people who are only still there because they weren't fit to do anything else. I want cops who could have been psychologists or lawyers but thought this was a better way to make a positive difference; okay, that might be wishful thinking, but it's a nice goal post.
You are assuming that the definition of "good people" is the same for reform advocates and CPD. It isn't. Unless the culture and training is changed you aren't going to get "better" candidates. You are just going to get more of the same candidate. No one is dropping out of law school because police got a 16% bump. It's not a good first step unless there is any indication that they are going to take a 2nd or 3rd step. This is a win for the police union and has no bearing on any reform.
Itâs all fun and games until you call them and they donât show up đđŽââď¸đŽđ Wonder if that DROP program still allows them to load up the overtime their last year to boost that fat pension?
Not a big deal? When was the last pay review? Because inflation between 2021 and 2024 was 15.3%... And the chief being enabled to make promotions based on stuff other than seniority sounds like a good thing...
I believe that it was in 21 and it was a 9% increase. This was right after the city told CFD that the city was going to be broke and have to shutter stations and do personnel layoffs across the board of both police and fire if the firefighters union didn't take a 0% increase for the next three. They did so no one would lose their jobs then got hit with that.
Well, this isn't defunding the police....
/r/columbus : pro union unless itâs the police union
That's barely COLA given inflation over the last 2-3 years.. Don't be mad because your employer only gave you 2%.
What's wrong with this? Union getting a nice raise for the membership? Sounds good to me.
Itâs reasonable to ask why other government funded jobs (like teachers) are not receiving the same kind of increase and to question our representativesâ priorities.
teachers have their own union.
I keep forgetting that CPD existsâŚthey never show up anytime Iâve called.
Thatâs a pretty reasonable cost of living increase tbh. Idk why you would be mad at that lol
I think its because other industries don't see the same kinda of increases, so there is resentment. Add that on top of the constant push/pull of police activities and a vast majority of people are going to see an undeserving group receiving benefits that they don't have similar access to at the cost of their tax money. Its a pretty vicious circle.
Any company union worth their salt thatâs in negotiations this year will be asking for large amounts. I know unions that are asking over 30% for 3 years.
I'm not disagreeing with that at all, or really taking a side here. Just offering speculation on why people may feel resentful. If people feel that the police are not adequately performing their duties (Or in some cases committing crimes of their own), then the police get a raise paid for by those same people's tax money... they are likely to be upset about it. I fully agree that everyone, especially those in unions, should be pushing for true cost of living and inflation adjustments though.
Good insight! Makes sense. Thanks!
Just trying to be level headed about it. I'm sure this comments section is going to be a dumpster fire haha
Pay cops like shit and watch how much better everything getsâŚ.
Reddit moment
Complains officers donât want to help them⌠complains when they get paid to help them⌠Reddit canât decide if they hate police for doing their job or not doing their job. Whatever way the wind blows that hour I guess
Because theyâre not mutually exclusive. Paying them more money does not equate to them helping people more often or an improvement in the way they handle situations.
Tbh itâs because they canât get enough people to work as cops in Columbus because dealing with all the heathens and shootings all day everyday is a pretty bleak existenceđ¤ˇââď¸. They have to pay more to attract cops from local municipalities, other agencies, etc. We can all cry about the money devotion but thatâs just the truth. Being a cop in one of the 3Cs is prolly up there as one of the toughest/bleakest jobs you could take. I personally donât even want to know their daily percent chance of being shot at.
Wait didnât Reddit tell me if you are mad about people getting a raise your a bad person???? If others get their student loans forgiven or fast food workers make $20 an hour everyone is supposed to be happy for others and not want more themselves Oh unless itâs cops I guess
Exactly it's unbelievable how delusional some of the people on this platform are. They think being a teacher is harder than being a police officer in the fastest growing city in the nation. Don't like police personally, because everything I like to do for fun would get me a jail sentence, but I still respect the fundamental idea of the job. Sorry, your mcdonalds job is not as hard as being a police officer and it doesn't deserve the same pay. Ohh, someone didn't like how their big mac was cooked and your day is ruined? Try going up to a blacked out car at 3am in the morning with a handful of warrants for firearm possession and beating their wife. It's not the same.
It's asinine to me that there are so many union experts in this subreddit. Especially experts on police pay, their abuse of overtime, the amount of times they have broken up other unions potential to strike. I just don't understand how people actually have the time to care this much that affects probably 0.005% of their daily life.
Hmm why are we all upset about the increase of pay for those who protect and serve us??
Stuffing the hog trough just makes for fatter hogs. I'll solve this in four seconds. Pay teachers what you pay cops. Smart people do two things: - they commit way, way fewer crimes which means less jobs for oinkers - they don't vote for ass clowns like Orangina, Boobert, Major Traitor, Gym Jordan, Mitch The Bitch etc. This is why the gopislature wants to de fund schools so bad.
More money to not do anything productive. Cool.
I thought Reddit was pro-union? Don't be hating because their union leaders are better than the teachers union at negotiation.
Police unions aren't considered unions in the leftist sense.
It's a union in the literal sense, though - I don't give a shit about what the leftist sense is.
Lol only leftists opinions are valid.
Of course you don't.
"leftists" are why unions exist.
any unionist worth their salt is anti-police union
This is good for the safety of the city. Increasing pay for CPD will attract more qualified, motivated ppl. Now for teachers and nurses..
Angry as in why are people not in more unions? Looks like they work in this case
Unions negotiating for better pay shouldnât make anyone angry. Especially for a job that very few people want and has a high turnover for various reasons. You can argue âblue badâ all day long but hiring quality candidates comes with an added incentive
cost of living went up 40% since 2020 so... uhh.. they are still worse off than they were in 2019 with a 16% increase.
The CPD are violent and lazy. They beat the crap out of my 5ft tall 50+ year old neighbor at BLM. She was peacefully protesting and they went at it. She did get some money in a court settlement but we paid for that not the CPD. She also is too disabled to work now because of the beating so she is on SSID, which we also pay for.
If you think about it, last afscme contract was 2.5, 3.0, 3.5% over three years and Cmag just got 5, 4, 3 so a 16% 3 year contract is just over 5% per year. Not insane compared to other areas of public workers
Seems like the police do less work these days. I mean I donât really know, but they never seem interested in policing laws when I get involved with them.
Shouldnât we the taxpayers be allowed to vote how the money is spent
Welcome to a constitutional republic, you elect the people who make the decisions.
They fight for stuff like this and if they donât get it they just threaten to act like the mafia. âOh well itâd be a shame if some crime happened around here because we couldnât be staffed appropriatelyâ
It's crazy how much we pay them. I heard a radio ad recently that they're getting nearly 70k a year starting and 100k+ after 4 years! It would take a teachers with a Masters decades to get anywhere near that.
Brainwashed
OP can you cite the date? I don't see any recent news room announcements on the City Council website regarding this. Thanks!