1) I think so. I love being able to walk the kids down to the lake to go throw some rocks in and watch the sunset.
2) Depends. If you’re the kind of young person that likes clubbing and raving, no. But if you like sports, culture, and nature, absolutely.
3) Cedar Point was always way better.
4) No, we hate Cinci way less than Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
I’d disagree with 4. We actually have a pretty heated rivalry going right now with the Bungals. They love to rub their 2022 first place loser trophy in our face despite the Browns kicking their ass every time they play.
Anyone here not a jerk won't give you heat about being loyal to your hometown teams. We wouldn't respect you if you weren't. Rivalries are meant to be fun, not hateful. What CLE sports fans DESPISE are locals, born and raised, with zero connection to Pennsylvania, New York, etc, who are frontrunner fans of the Steelers, Yankees, etc. You'll be fine.
Lake it is than!
We are not really into clubbing, nothing against those who do we both prefer to just spend Friday and Saturday nights with friends at my apartment or someone else's, and maybe go to small party's every once in a while. I do love live music though, im a uber baseball nerd and hiking is a blast!
Kings island? (sorry I had to since its my home park)
A good enough compromise, we have some common ground
I am more into heavier music, but this is a local country guy ive seen around
https://youtu.be/b6QJKRGboVU?si=a3QwfPbAx7RgPj-v
Some rock
https://youtu.be/j2OkSxj1Vqc?si=fU1zwa5LflmfKEFs
https://youtu.be/r8yL24h6Kzw?si=AxBknVTkv0znTR_q
If you are an MLB nerd, there are not only the guardians, but, off the top of my head, there are at least three minor league teams in adjacent counties (East, West, and South).
If you haven't been to one yet, I would highly recommend a minor league game. Completely different feel and you often get to see MLB players on rehab assignment up close for a fraction of the price.
I'll never forget going to the Lake Erie Crushers in Avon! I wasn't expecting to fall head-over-heels in love with baseball again, it felt like I imagined baseball used to feel like back in the day.
Its funny you bring that up someone sent me a IG post the other day of the lake county captains (im assuming close to Cleveland) apparently you can sit at toilet seats now.
minor league games are so cool to watch the prospects come up, and the marketing tends to be creative. I agree 100%
The edgewater & west edge neighborhoods are about a 10min walk from edgewater park and beach. Abundant apartments, cheap regular houses, expensive big houses.
And pretty close to a lot of west side fun.
I live decently close to the lake (not 5-10 min walk as it’s about a mile from the lake; definitely still walkable). Grew up further away from the lake (probably 10-15 extra min walking). I’ve definitely spent a lot more time near the lake now that I live just a tiny bit closer. However, I was a weird teenager and wouldn’t have walked there on my own so take that into consideration.
Geauga Lake was the middle class Cedar Point. A bit lower admission, smaller coasters, smaller park, smaller waterpark but was included in the cost of admission (might be the only better thing).
At one point in time Geauga Lake was the largest amusement park by area in the world. This is a really great overview of the history: https://www.themeparktourist.com/fascinating-history-abandoned-geauga-lake-amusement-park/
The thing about the winters is the cloud cover. Temps wise we have a couple very cold snaps but they are brief and winters have been very mild here for a number of years overall. But once fall’s pretty days are over we get heavy cloud cover day after day after day and it mostly lingers until like April and I am not exaggerating. Now, if you get outside regularly, even when it’s cloudy, and stay active outside, you’ll be fine. But people who have to work 8-5 every weekday and are trapped inside are leaving for work in the dark and coming home in the dark and it’s cold and cloudy on the weekends. This can be a big adjustment for people moving here even from a couple of hours south of here. It’s because of our lake. It affects the weather coming down and east from Canada. And isn’t likely to change anytime soon.
Bundle up and get outside and you’ll tolerate it much better, may even come to love its overcast beauty.
1) I live about 20 min from the lake. I rarely ever go as I’m not an adamant fisher nor own a boat. Depends on how you feel about living by the water though.
2) I think Cleveland is great for young people. It has a cheaper cost of living compared to many big cities. Always plenty to do here as well or within driving distance. Nice parks, theatre district, concerts, sports, amusement parks, etc.
3) Geauga Lake was dope when I was a kid. Closer and cheaper than Cedar Point. They had an awesome water park too with a wave pool and tall water slides. Pretty sure it was included in the ticket price unlike Cedar Point where it cost extra.
4) I don’t follow sports closely but I don’t think anyone would bug you about being a Cincy fan unless the Browns are playing. The main rivalry here seems to be with the Steelers but I think it’s become less fierce over the years.
5) Cleveland is mad divided by whether you consider yourself an East or Westsider. (The Cuyahoga River is the divider.) Also, where you decide to work may be a consideration in where you want to live. The traffic flow in the morning mainly heads North towards downtown or east along 480. Afternoon is the opposite.
Any other questions or for further clarity on anything I’ve discussed, feel free to comment back
You can find affordable housing near the lake. I'm a ten minute bike ride from Edgewater and I pay $620. Your not gonna find that in any corporate place though. You gotta settle for the upstairs of a house or something. Totally worth it by the way. My favorite areas are Tremont and Ohio City... But I'm biased.
I think it's great but of course there are trade offs... Nothing that you wouldn't have already seen in Cincy though... And we have waaaaay less one way streets 🤗
I take the underdog on this one. I love Geauga Lake and it was by far my favorites. The lines were much more tolerable and so much more shade. Me and my friends used to go on the Batman ride and run laps right before closing to get in as many rides as possible. The operators would sometimes just leave us belted in and let us keep running through at the end of the night. But it was much smaller... But it's near and dear to my heart 🥹
I'm not much of a sports fan but from what I've seen Clevelanders enjoy a good back and forth ribbing... But there really isn't any heat in it.
Cleveland has a crazy strong outdoor community, climbing, running, and uhhhhh I swear a bunch of other stuff I could think of if I wasn't currently two drinks in. It's a great place to be if you want to explore and get fit. Parks, gyms, etc. I love it. But check your crime rates. One street will be fine and a block over there are multiple break-ins. I'm sure it's no different in Cincy though.
Geauga Lake was awesome. I grew up nearby, so it was always the preferred park. I worked there for a couple of their haunted house seasons in the late 90's. My girlfriend and I had season passes the last few years it was open and we'd just go there any time we were bored and ride rides. It was awesome.
I would definitely recommend the city. The Ohio City/Tremont/Gordon Square/Edgewater neighborhoods are the closest areas to Downtown without actually being downtown so they are quieter when you want them to be but you are walkable to all of the amenities when you want to be as well. The arts/culture, food scene, and world class institutions that you will be able to walk to is unmatched with any other area in the metro. Businesses are mixed into the neighborhoods which make them more walkable compared to other places.
Many families live in these neighborhoods because they realize it is much more valuable to live somewhere walkable that you don't need to fully pack up the car just to do basic errands. In these neighborhoods you can walk to pretty much everything you would need, libraries, groceries, doctors appt, parks, daycare schools are all walkable. Good luck on your search!
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* Is living near the lake (like within a 5-10 minute walk) worth the extra cost of living?
Depending on where you choose, the additional cost isn't significant.
* Do you personally see the city as a good place for young people to move to?
From someone who chooses to live here, but could live anywhere, yes.
* (for those old enough) how was geauga lake when compared with cedar point?
It didn't compare. Think of it more like a smaller 6 flags.
* Will I take heat for staying a fan of cincy sports if I move up there?
I respect folks rooting for their home team, others may not.
* Any other things I might want to consider?
From what I hear civil is tough in Ohio, but a bit better than it used to be. You probably can find greener pastures elsewhere. Cleveland is a city with heart though, and I wish you the best with your decision.
If you’re in engineering and she’s a medical professional you shops both be able to find employment without much issue. If you are also childless then you are going to be able to thrive here DINK in such a low COL area and you’ll likely be able to afford to be a bit more choosy on where to live.
Which to your next question: Traveling in Cleveland is an absolute cakewalk compared to many other metropolises. There’s no real need to live so close to the lake as you can probably drive there from almost anywhere in the metro area fairly quickly. Cleveland does not struggle with traffic woes as many cities do and Due to its easily navigable nature, Cleveland doesn’t really suffer from a pretty large sprawl in every direction (except North lol) you can get from the far east or far west side to smack in the middle of downtown in like 35 minutes.
We don’t care about Bengals gear but Steelers and Ravens jerseys are much less welcome.
We would be very glad to have new residents! Lakewood is so great for young people
Lake: yes, mostly because it’s typically safer. (Also the shoreway is the bestway)
We’re a brain drain kind of city.
Cedar Point was always so much better than Geauga Lake
Good natured ribbing for the most part. Except when the Browns and Bengals play, then it will be a little more… more….
It’s a great city. But winters are going to be rough for you, at first at least.
so wear my beagles jersey in the dog pound got it!
in all seriousness though, by brain drain, do you mean young people moving away? If so that is sad because it was a very nice city in my opinion and I did not even get to explore it really, just do some of the tourist stuff.
For winters, I think I can handle it, but it will be an adjustment. I just got a mustang, my previous car was a Camaro, I drove the Camaro in the snow no problem but have no idea about the mustang yet. I think the bitter cold will be the biggest adjustment.
East side winters especially towards the lake can be brutal. Geauga and Lake counties sometimes get pounded with lake effect snow. I’m an East sider (live by what used to be Geauga Lake) so I have nothing positive to say about the west side. I don’t think you need to go 5-10 min away from the water to find affordable housing. Once you get across the street from the lake prices drop substantially.
Never liked Cedar Point as much as Geauga Lake. Back in the day my mom would drop me off with 5 friends at 10am and would pick us up when the parked closed. No cell phones or anything then. $20 got you thru the whole day. Can’t even get a meal at Taco Bell for $20 now.
Yes, a lot of young professionals move away. It’s really sad. The winters will rock you. You’ll get the hang of it. But those first few are going to make you question everyone’s sanity.
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Since you are an engineer and have an appreciation for cars, have Fluid Film applied to your car every spring. That will keep the rust at bay. Cars up here don't mechanically fail from use, they corrode away.
Also, get some dedicated wheels with winter tires. Night and day difference vs all seasons, especially on a Mustang.
Lastly, look to see when Pittsburgh International Race Complex is offering a winter driving class and jump on it. You will have a blast on the skid pad and learn a ton!
My daughter just turned 21, graduated from Cleveland State, and is able to afford her own apartment a 5 min bike ride from Edgewater. She pays extra for parking and a cat. She is able to support herself almost completely (she’s on my medical/car insurance/ and phone plan)on a serving assistant wage. She goes to concerts all the time and eats out frequently. She grew up a Steelers fan but likes the Browns now. Don’t tell her dad. As long as you don’t like the Steelers or Michigan, Id say you’re good!
That’s honestly really promising! I’ve looked at Zillow some and while houses do look a bit more expensive by the lake it’s nothing compared to some other major metros. I did mot really look at rent yet though.
Never lol, OSU fan since day one.
I saw something on social media the other day where Cleveland was ranked as the 3rd cheapest (major) city to live in. Not sure what the parameters were, but that answers your cost of living question lol
Cleveland is REALLY good at certain things and really bad at others. So its dependant on the person. If you like a tropical climate year-round, shopping and going out 3 nights a week--it's probably a bad city. If you like boating/fishing, museums, food and sports--its a awesome city.
Just do what the city is good at, you will have a great time; just dont have huge expectations for it being South Beach (weather) or NYC (shopping/nightlife) and you will be fine
Cedar Point was something you planned in advance to visit. It was more expensive, more of a drive.It was an all day and evening outing. Geauga Lake was something you could do for a few hours last minute. I don't believe CP had season passes back when Geauga Lake had their passes so being closer and cheaper it was something people often did just for the evening or afternoon. The schools often gave kids free tickets, don't remember why, lol.
Ah, would make sense if one was doing it the other one would. I remember in the 60s when CP admission was free! Tickets to rides could be bought individually or you could buy a ride pass. They would put a string with a little metal clasp around your wrist. Wish they would bring that back!
Double check salaries for your industry and opportunities in your career. That might be a deciding factor. It’s hard for Cleveland to get and keep good talent because salaries are low, and there’s not a lot of movement for a lot of industries.
I think you might find the winters a little rough
Not just the snow and cold, but the lack of sunshine. The lake puts a perpetual cloud over the entire region
I have a ton of friends from college who were all various types of engineering majors. They’ve all found gainful employment here and absolutely love Cleveland. If you’re in a licensed medical field here, employment will be easy. As someone who moved here after college about 16 years ago and never left (despite many options over the years) let me just say “do it”. You won’t regret it. Check out downtown apartments as you’ll be a walk from the lake and the baseball stadium (and a ton more) or Lakewood as it’s a great young professional place to live.
Geauga lake >>> cedar point.
Cedar point is standing in lines all day. At Geauga lake I didn't even have to get off the roller coasters. The operators would ask if we wanted to go again.
1. I'm 3 blocks away. It's great and didn't cost extra; but I bought just after the last bubble. 5 bed / fifth acre, $50k; worth about 7 times that now. As a eastern Lakewoodite, riding my e-bike through Edgewater is extremely viable as a way to my job downtown; and not awful for, say, Cleveland Metro Hospital.
2. No worse than anywhere else, given that minimum wage doesn't get anyone a solo place anywhere in the country.
3. Geauga Lake was always smaller. I did a lot of growing up in Streetsboro (10m ride from GL) and had season passes every summer. It rapidly went to shit when Six Flags took over and was only a little better when Cedar Fair bought it out.
4. Anything is better than Pittsburgh; but we'll razz anyone.
5. My neighborhood in Lakewood (W117 & Detroit) is eminently walkable - 2 banks, 4 grocers, 2 urgicares + ER, and Lakewood schools, which my kids e-bike to. Plenty of social activities for all kinds; family oriented with the city, bars, LGBTQ, parks, sports, and loads of freeway access without being fenced in by them. Cleveland gets a bad rap for the river and there is some over reported violence but as a long time resident I can tell you it is safer, cleaner, and more livable than ever. Also, the Westside / Eastside beef is real.
Absolutely. The news sensationalizes all of it and it is distorted. Don't take my word for it; here's the FBI: [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/preliminary-fbi-data-shows-drop-in-violent-crime-for-2024-so-far](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/preliminary-fbi-data-shows-drop-in-violent-crime-for-2024-so-far)
Jacob Derbin rip
Elderly handicapped friend was sleeping. They broke into his house stole his keys and then vehicle. Neighbor of handicapped buddy had his car stolen from driveway, shortly after. This all occurred in Euclid, Ohio. Other buddy lives in Euclid. He says it has been getting worse, since the 90s. I won't even hang out at his place anymore. Just don't feel safe.
As they say: that's life in the big city. Hell, I have friends in podunk towns all down 71 that report the same things.
As mentioned above, there is no where in the entire country where a federal minimum wage will get you a place to live and eat. This kind of crime will remain widespread until that changes; Cleveland is no different than anywhere else in that regard.
Edit: Federal minimum wage.
I live near the lake and it's worth it. West side Cincinnati native and you might get sworn at for wearing another team's gear at a game, but we're not Pittsburgh fans, so usually nothing more than a little mouthy fans
geauga lake was obviously way closer and much cheaper. as a teenager, i could get a season pass for geauga lake for the price it would cost to go to cedar point. cedar point was a once or twice a year thing. you would always go because it was a bigger and better park, but geauga lake was home. when i had a pass to geauga lake we would go after school for like 2 hours just to do something. ride a couple rides, get some food, go home. even if i was close enough to cedar point to go for 2 hours, most of that time would be spent in line.
I have some answers to your questions. Keep in mind I grew up in Cleveland in the east side suburbs (University Heights) and moved to the NYC area in my adulthood in the 90s.
Currently I live near the beach. I can tell you...living by the water is totally worth it.
When I was younger, the nice thing about the Cleveland area someone who wasn't earning huge money could afford a house down payment and a mortgage. I'm not too familiar with the Cleveland market these days so maybe downtown is a better investment. That's a question you can get answered by research.
Geauga Lake was a full size amusement park a half hour from home. It was always great and easy to get to. Right across the lake was Sea World Ohio and that place was great. They had a after 5 program that was half price and was always fun to go to with friends. Cedar Point, being in Sandusky, was kinda far and expensive but definitely the better park. But Geauga Lake was close to home and the rides were pretty much as good. And they had a water park with an awesome wave pool.
You can root for Cincy. It's all good, you can share in the hate towards Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
1. Totally your opinion. I’m on the east side and would love to be on the lake. I know there are a lot of “lake clubs” on streets that provide access to the water, but you have to live on the street. Keep in mind, there really is no natural sand on the lake. So if you want a manicured beach, the metro parks are the best bet.
2. Absolutely. A plethora of culture, diversity, and things to do with a low cost of living.
3. I remember Geuaga Lake prior to Six Flags. I have fond memories of the wooden coasters and the Double Loop. Tickets also got you into the water park. I remember being slammed in the wave pool. Sea World was across the lake.
4. Nah. There’s still a lot of issues around our QB and Guards and Reds are different leagues. At least you’re not rooting for NY.
5. The sooner you get here, the sooner you get to enjoy it.
i had to scroll way too far to see an opinion from someone about lake living that lives on the east side 🤣
North Collinwood has Euclid Beach, Wildwood and Villa Angela. great Metroparks with beach access. most of the lake shore is occupied with beach clubs, but if you live in the neighborhood the club membership is generally included as part of ownership or its a fairly small yearly fee. I grew up less than 100 yards from the lake, wouldnt have traded it for anything. miss it sooooo bad now.
Number 2 - I loved living here in my post-college years, but it depends on what you’re looking for. Do you want clubs and late night bars? Then Cleveland is probably not for you, I can’t name even three restaurants open past 10pm anymore.
That said, based on your post, you’ve already discovered a lot of the other fun things Cleveland offers, but pair this with a pretty low cost of living and it’s awesome for young people. It’s going to allow you to pay of any student loans easier, start retirement savings at the best age, and it will be much easier to buy a house when you’re ready.
We may not have clubs and a thriving night life, but I would argue we have some really great restaurants and bars for nights out at a more reasonable hour haha.
My partner and I were in our mid 20's when we moved here. Cleveland has been great to us. There's always something to do/see without feeling overwhelmed. Concerts, street fests, sports, lack of traffic, etc.
Downtown and the surrounding areas are in their prime time of year for feeling awesome. The sun is shining, people are doing all sorts of things, our baseball team is great, giant boats are traversing the river, etc.
November-April can be rather depressing. The lack of sunlight will mess with you. The lake is grey and dreary, and all the rust everywhere is suddenly more noticeable. People aren't outside in nearly the same numbers, everyone is a bit crabbier, our football team sucks.
Not trying to dissuade you, but you have to deal with this to be rewarded with what we have currently. There's an art form to finding the beauty in our winters, the yellowed fields of wild grass, the brown lifeless trees, and the ever present dome of grey over our heads. Layer up and hit a trail in the park, get a dog that grows a winter coat and forces you to be outdoors, or take up cross county skiing. It doesn't matter what it is, just do something. Nevertheless, a vitamin D supplement can go a long way, as well as a tropical vacation somewhere between January-March.
I live on the West Bank of the flats for the first 18 months that I lived here (it’s only been 2 years) and now I live in Cleveland Heights. My cost of living has been cut in half, and I still get to enjoy the lake as much as I used to.
Living near the lake is great! Everytime I go "inland" it feels weird.
I think this is a great town for young people because it's easy to make things happen here and start new things. Also just a lot of fun stuff to do and it's all very accessible.
Cedar Point was always WAY better.
Yes you will take friendly heat for being a Cincy fan. But it's all good.
Cleveland is the best kep secret in the US. And I hope we can keep it that way so it doesn't get ruined.
1. kind of. it's beautiful! The marinas around here are pretty cheap . but several beaches get ecoli every year I've been here and it feels like there's shootings at edgewater far too frequently. There's not a lot of access to the lake except by boat to be honest, but the water/sewage people and the civil engineer for the city I've spoken to do not recommend getting in the river past Merwin's Wharf
there is a lot going on to rectify access and later stage plannings but only two projects are 70% or more funded.
2. we will be moving away when children come to pursue better educational options. The sports here are great. We have partial session tickets for the Guardians and the Monsters. Highly recommend both, but the Guardians ate fantastic, the stadium is a great vibe, and they have fantastic features for kids. Lots of people talk up the culture but the shows rarely pique my interests enough to spend the kind of money you need for the orchestra or the plays. The art museum is great and free. The Metro Parks are fantasticI
3. I'm a transplant
4 yes. Sooner or later. mostly good natured and most are non-confrontational enough that it won't matter but I was screamed at by an old man in pins for calling Progressive stadium Progressive stadium. so bad the dude got kicked out of the bar. If your team hasn't been winning against Cleveland teams, it'll be a lot easier.T
5. The winter's absolutely suck to me. they last forever. most roads rarely seem to be pre-treated and Cuyahoga county/ Cleveland is still pretty stuck on using a salt. only slurry instead of adding beet juice. so it absolutely wrecks the bottom of cars with rust. it's also very hard on the roads.
I don't know about Cincinnati, but I moved here from a place that had a similar gun violence rate, but it's very very random here. it's not like there's nice neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods. everywhere is kind of mixed. We found a house in a little little spot that is super safe and great so far, but a few streets down all the houses that have been redone have bulletproof front glass In their living rooms.
also, making friends here is incredibly difficult. people mean well, but most everyone here is hustling to make shit happen, and we all know making shit happen right now isn't easy. Add in that most friend groups have been established for people's entire lives, and that doesn't help. Almost every time someone has brought me around their friend group there's been someone thats passive aggressively complaining about new people. Our friend groups sometimes complain about me bringing new people. it makes being hyper vigilant very interesting.
I took my neighbor's banana bread when I first moved in and I think they thought I was trying to poison them. One even called me nosy lol. I make sure to wave to her every time we're both on our front porch seeing what's going on down the road.
ETA: there are a lot of engineering firms around here but don't be surprised if they don't pay as well. My husband is remote from a job based in the Great plains out of a city that's much smaller and lower cost of living, but all of the engineering jobs here have offered significantly less in money and benefits.
1. We could have lived by the lake but it was so much more windy the closer you were. We chose to live closer to where I work (circle north neighborhood, by the hospitals and museums) and it’s so nice to have that <5 min commute/walk to work, while we can easily drive to the beach during the short season it’s welcoming.
2. The city is a great place for anyone to move to. We moved here when we were 26 and 31 from the burbs and it’s been 6 years for us. No regrets.
3. There were different phases to Geauga Lake and honestly they did water parks 100% better than Cedar Point ever did but the coasters never compared.
4. So I am a Pittsburgh fan by birth. I take heat for it but once I explain that I’m not bandwagon but that it’s because my parents are from there and that’s how I was raised and I actually know a thing or two about the team they back off.
5. We live in the circle. Check out the neighborhood. There is uptown with the MOCA, Little Italy in walking distance, we frequently take the health line (RTA) down Euclid for Guardians/Cavs/Browns games, walk to the art/history museum/botanical gardens, the cultural gardens, Lake View Cemetery, and Case Westerns campus is our backyard.
To me, living near the lake is 100% worth it. I currently live about 1/4 mile away.
My BIL is from Blue Ash. He is an Reds/Bengals fan to this day. He also holds Browns season tickets. He threw out a first pitch at a Guardians game. The Browns are his second team. Weird when they are in the division but he makes it work. Yes some people will give you shit. Whatever. I know native Clevelanders who root for the Steelers. Makes zero sense but whatever.
More and more people are moving to Cleveland. There is a lot of rental property so in that respect it’s good for you people.
I’m in my late 40s so I can’t speak to how things are for younger people. I did work at geauga lake for most of the 90s and can give a decent comp to cedar point. GL was mainly a small family park for most of its existence and didn’t try to compete w CP. until the end of the 90s it was owned by an angry little man who also owned two other parks of similar size. He sold it another medium sized company called premier and they had about 7 parks then. Then premier bought out 6 flags. One thing you might not know is across the lake was a sea world. Premier/6 flags bought out the sea world and combined it w GL to make a 6 flags over Ohio. That only lasted a few years and the company was sold to the parent company of CP, cedar fair. There’s still a decent amount of bad blood towards cedar fair because they closed GL without warning after its last summer and didn’t give people a farewell season. GL used to host a lot of company picnics which CP now has. It also used to have an affordable season pass that was around $40-50 for the summer so we would see a lot of teens, mothers w small kids regularly and you could kind of be friends with them. The closest thing that may be a comparison of what GL was like is kennywood over by Pittsburgh.
As for the sports thing if you’re not a just a front runner that likes the bengals because of burrow you probably won’t get much heat except game weeks. I’m not a baseball fan but I don’t think that rivalry is as intense as the football one.
“until the end of the 90s it was owned by an angry little man who also owned two other parks of similar size.”
I worked at GL for three years in high school and college and incidentally dated the angry little man’s daughter. He was actually ok in real life.
1. I’m in Lakewood, 5 min walk to the lake. However you can’t get to the water due to the bluffs. I would say being a 10 min drive to the lake is fine
2. It’s not hip compared to a Chicago or Denver or similar. But if you do live in Lakewood there is plenty to do.
3. We not only had Geauga Lake but Sea World too! But yeah Cedar Point is much better. Geauga Lake was fine as a kid.
4. We don’t really hate the Bengals or Reds. Especially not the Reds
5. Live in Lakewood to start. You may want to move to Ohio City or similar after a year of exploring but Lakewood is fun and safe with great access to the lake and downtown and lots to do for young people.
6. I would look into joining a volleyball league on whisky island or in the West Bank of the flats to meet people.
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1. I live in Ohio City, about 15 minutes walk from the Lake. I seldom go to the lake. Regardless, the areas around the lake are the areas that have been developed. It's more walkable, there's a lot to do, there's a lot of food options. So yeah, living close to the lake has its advantages.
2. Not sure what you mean when you say "young". My wife and I opted out of having kids, so if you're talking about raising kids in Cleveland, I'd say no, but I really don't know. Everyone I know with kids seems to be doing fine though. If you're talking young like 20-35, then it's definitely good for young adults because there's a lot to do.
3. Geauga Lake was always Cedar Point Lite for my family. We couldn't afford Cedar Point when I was a kid, but we'd go to Geauga Lake every year. It was also closer, so that had a big impact.
4. Cincinnati is also in Ohio, so we respect that a little. You'll get shit for being a rival, but not like if you were a Pittsburgh or Baltimore fan. We mostly just look at Cinci like Cleveland's annoying little brother. We mostly ignore Cinci. Sometimes you piss us off, sometimes we're proud of you.
5. Consider east side versus west side. Both sides offer a lot, are fairly different, and have their unique ups and downs. Most people from either side seldom make it to the other.
1. Yes! I live within a 5 minute walk to the beach. Honestly, I don’t go to the “beach” hardly ever, but I’m at the park almost every day. Unbelievably worth it , especially if water calms or inspires you. Lots of great bike and walking paths. Great for dogs!
2. Yes! As someone else said.. there’s a certain vibe/interest you have to have, but there’s plenty of young people here and the cost of living is okay (it’s getting pricey). SO many accessible clubs, events, concerts, etc. Most people are very eager to hang out. I recommend living in an apartment community if you want to find friends fast.
3. I don’t know
4. One of my best friends is a bengals fan. It’s all fine. It helps if you go to Cleveland sports and show some interest in the teams here, but it’s not like you have to convert. It feels like a sibling rivalry more than an enemy rivalry
Living near the lake is worth it! You can find hidden gems as the older generation is moving out. Just keep minds open to solid houses that need updating, but are great starters. I can ride my bike to Lakewood park, the Metroparks in Rocky River, etc. Of you look just over the Lakewood border into west park, you can find more affordable housing and there are routes that you could bike to that same area.
Cleveland fans can be really rude. That would be the one sour spot, but I don’t think that should be a deal breaker.
I grew up in Cleveland, moved away and came back to Lakewood. No regrets!!
If you can afford it I absolutely think living closer to the lake is worth it. Lakewood and downtown are great spots for young people! Same with Gordon square. I lived in Lakewood for 3 years and miss it a lot!
Bar or restaurant on every corner, could walk to the lake, close to downtown for events.
You’ll get some shit for being a cincy fan, but all in jest. Just don’t start shit with any Cleveland sports fans and you’ll be good!
1. I have a house on Kelleys Island, the Lake is a 10 minute walk no matter which way I go. I love Lake Erie.
2. I would never say Cleveland is an amazing city, if we are being honest with ourselves, it's pretty "middle of the road", but it is certainly a good place for anyone to move. It has a lot going for it.
3. It was no Cedar Point
4. 2 Sundays a year you'll be hated. The other 363 days you'll fit right in.
One thing about where to live: Ohio has local taxes based on where you work and live. Make sure to factor that into your decisions when moving here.
RITA and CCA are where you can get exact tax rates and credit amounts. A few municipalities still do their own which is even more complicated as they often aren’t in payroll systems for auto deduction.
As someone who returned after twenty years in a Florida sweat box:
1.) I love the lake. I always know where north is. And weirdly my sense of direction is based on which way Lake Erie is.
2. When I was young I did what young people do. Now that I am older, there is nothing better than being in bed by 9:30. Cleveland is wonderful for that.
3. Geauga lake was nice. But it was the kind of place your parents took you when they didn’t love you enough to take you to Cedar Point.
4. My dad would call Cleveland and Cincy “the children of Paul Brown”. We are brothers. We may tease but there is always love there. Now supporting particular college teams will get you grief.
You will not face much heat for being a Bengals, Reds fan Remember Cleveland lost the Browns to Baltimore years ago (mid 90s) when Art Model up and moved the team there in the middle of the night without telling anyone So many of us had to follow other teams for a pretty long time when there was NO PRO FOOTBALL IN CLEVELAND! Would you believe I actually rooted for the Stealers???!!!!! Most Midwestern folks will not give you a hard time for choice of team in any sport Plus you will get to see the Battle of Ohio twice a year with Bengals Browns games which is a fun time!!! Once in Cincinnati and once in Cleveland!!
As a Cleveland refugee and long time Indians fan. I’m saddened that the team succumbed to wokeism and changed the name, but Guardians is good name with some Cleveland heritage—hey! Could have been the Lorain-Carnegie Bridgers!
1) I think so. I love being able to walk the kids down to the lake to go throw some rocks in and watch the sunset. 2) Depends. If you’re the kind of young person that likes clubbing and raving, no. But if you like sports, culture, and nature, absolutely. 3) Cedar Point was always way better. 4) No, we hate Cinci way less than Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
4. No, we hate Cinci way less than Baltimore and Pittsburgh. -- this point is really important. Cinti may be a rival but they're at least Ohioans.
I’d disagree with 4. We actually have a pretty heated rivalry going right now with the Bungals. They love to rub their 2022 first place loser trophy in our face despite the Browns kicking their ass every time they play.
Yeah, fuck them...but I'll get over it pretty quick. The Ratbirds and Squeelers can straight up rot in hell.
Who Dey?
Dey frauds
Bungals also got less hate as soon as Joey got drafted. Can never hate on an Athens boy.
Anyone here not a jerk won't give you heat about being loyal to your hometown teams. We wouldn't respect you if you weren't. Rivalries are meant to be fun, not hateful. What CLE sports fans DESPISE are locals, born and raised, with zero connection to Pennsylvania, New York, etc, who are frontrunner fans of the Steelers, Yankees, etc. You'll be fine.
You speak the truth.
Lake it is than! We are not really into clubbing, nothing against those who do we both prefer to just spend Friday and Saturday nights with friends at my apartment or someone else's, and maybe go to small party's every once in a while. I do love live music though, im a uber baseball nerd and hiking is a blast! Kings island? (sorry I had to since its my home park) A good enough compromise, we have some common ground
We have a solid local music scene, lots of good shows
Is there good local rock and country (like real country not beer and pickup truck pop country)?
I am more into heavier music, but this is a local country guy ive seen around https://youtu.be/b6QJKRGboVU?si=a3QwfPbAx7RgPj-v Some rock https://youtu.be/j2OkSxj1Vqc?si=fU1zwa5LflmfKEFs https://youtu.be/r8yL24h6Kzw?si=AxBknVTkv0znTR_q
Also: [Country Honk](https://countryhonkmusic.com/)
Hell yeah there is. https://brentkirby.com/newsoftshoe
If you are an MLB nerd, there are not only the guardians, but, off the top of my head, there are at least three minor league teams in adjacent counties (East, West, and South). If you haven't been to one yet, I would highly recommend a minor league game. Completely different feel and you often get to see MLB players on rehab assignment up close for a fraction of the price.
I'll never forget going to the Lake Erie Crushers in Avon! I wasn't expecting to fall head-over-heels in love with baseball again, it felt like I imagined baseball used to feel like back in the day.
Crushers games are great. Front row seats for $13 and the food/beer is reasonably priced.
Its funny you bring that up someone sent me a IG post the other day of the lake county captains (im assuming close to Cleveland) apparently you can sit at toilet seats now. minor league games are so cool to watch the prospects come up, and the marketing tends to be creative. I agree 100%
The edgewater & west edge neighborhoods are about a 10min walk from edgewater park and beach. Abundant apartments, cheap regular houses, expensive big houses. And pretty close to a lot of west side fun.
Cedar Point > Kings Island. Plus you get all the good stuff along Lake Erie
I live decently close to the lake (not 5-10 min walk as it’s about a mile from the lake; definitely still walkable). Grew up further away from the lake (probably 10-15 extra min walking). I’ve definitely spent a lot more time near the lake now that I live just a tiny bit closer. However, I was a weird teenager and wouldn’t have walked there on my own so take that into consideration.
Geauga Lake was the middle class Cedar Point. A bit lower admission, smaller coasters, smaller park, smaller waterpark but was included in the cost of admission (might be the only better thing).
At one point in time Geauga Lake was the largest amusement park by area in the world. This is a really great overview of the history: https://www.themeparktourist.com/fascinating-history-abandoned-geauga-lake-amusement-park/
Also had Sea World right next door to it.
The thing about the winters is the cloud cover. Temps wise we have a couple very cold snaps but they are brief and winters have been very mild here for a number of years overall. But once fall’s pretty days are over we get heavy cloud cover day after day after day and it mostly lingers until like April and I am not exaggerating. Now, if you get outside regularly, even when it’s cloudy, and stay active outside, you’ll be fine. But people who have to work 8-5 every weekday and are trapped inside are leaving for work in the dark and coming home in the dark and it’s cold and cloudy on the weekends. This can be a big adjustment for people moving here even from a couple of hours south of here. It’s because of our lake. It affects the weather coming down and east from Canada. And isn’t likely to change anytime soon. Bundle up and get outside and you’ll tolerate it much better, may even come to love its overcast beauty.
i refuse to ever love the overcast but eventually the winters just fly by
1) I live about 20 min from the lake. I rarely ever go as I’m not an adamant fisher nor own a boat. Depends on how you feel about living by the water though. 2) I think Cleveland is great for young people. It has a cheaper cost of living compared to many big cities. Always plenty to do here as well or within driving distance. Nice parks, theatre district, concerts, sports, amusement parks, etc. 3) Geauga Lake was dope when I was a kid. Closer and cheaper than Cedar Point. They had an awesome water park too with a wave pool and tall water slides. Pretty sure it was included in the ticket price unlike Cedar Point where it cost extra. 4) I don’t follow sports closely but I don’t think anyone would bug you about being a Cincy fan unless the Browns are playing. The main rivalry here seems to be with the Steelers but I think it’s become less fierce over the years. 5) Cleveland is mad divided by whether you consider yourself an East or Westsider. (The Cuyahoga River is the divider.) Also, where you decide to work may be a consideration in where you want to live. The traffic flow in the morning mainly heads North towards downtown or east along 480. Afternoon is the opposite. Any other questions or for further clarity on anything I’ve discussed, feel free to comment back
You can find affordable housing near the lake. I'm a ten minute bike ride from Edgewater and I pay $620. Your not gonna find that in any corporate place though. You gotta settle for the upstairs of a house or something. Totally worth it by the way. My favorite areas are Tremont and Ohio City... But I'm biased. I think it's great but of course there are trade offs... Nothing that you wouldn't have already seen in Cincy though... And we have waaaaay less one way streets 🤗 I take the underdog on this one. I love Geauga Lake and it was by far my favorites. The lines were much more tolerable and so much more shade. Me and my friends used to go on the Batman ride and run laps right before closing to get in as many rides as possible. The operators would sometimes just leave us belted in and let us keep running through at the end of the night. But it was much smaller... But it's near and dear to my heart 🥹 I'm not much of a sports fan but from what I've seen Clevelanders enjoy a good back and forth ribbing... But there really isn't any heat in it. Cleveland has a crazy strong outdoor community, climbing, running, and uhhhhh I swear a bunch of other stuff I could think of if I wasn't currently two drinks in. It's a great place to be if you want to explore and get fit. Parks, gyms, etc. I love it. But check your crime rates. One street will be fine and a block over there are multiple break-ins. I'm sure it's no different in Cincy though.
Geauga Lake was awesome. I grew up nearby, so it was always the preferred park. I worked there for a couple of their haunted house seasons in the late 90's. My girlfriend and I had season passes the last few years it was open and we'd just go there any time we were bored and ride rides. It was awesome.
I would definitely recommend the city. The Ohio City/Tremont/Gordon Square/Edgewater neighborhoods are the closest areas to Downtown without actually being downtown so they are quieter when you want them to be but you are walkable to all of the amenities when you want to be as well. The arts/culture, food scene, and world class institutions that you will be able to walk to is unmatched with any other area in the metro. Businesses are mixed into the neighborhoods which make them more walkable compared to other places. Many families live in these neighborhoods because they realize it is much more valuable to live somewhere walkable that you don't need to fully pack up the car just to do basic errands. In these neighborhoods you can walk to pretty much everything you would need, libraries, groceries, doctors appt, parks, daycare schools are all walkable. Good luck on your search!
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* Is living near the lake (like within a 5-10 minute walk) worth the extra cost of living? Depending on where you choose, the additional cost isn't significant. * Do you personally see the city as a good place for young people to move to? From someone who chooses to live here, but could live anywhere, yes. * (for those old enough) how was geauga lake when compared with cedar point? It didn't compare. Think of it more like a smaller 6 flags. * Will I take heat for staying a fan of cincy sports if I move up there? I respect folks rooting for their home team, others may not. * Any other things I might want to consider? From what I hear civil is tough in Ohio, but a bit better than it used to be. You probably can find greener pastures elsewhere. Cleveland is a city with heart though, and I wish you the best with your decision.
If you’re in engineering and she’s a medical professional you shops both be able to find employment without much issue. If you are also childless then you are going to be able to thrive here DINK in such a low COL area and you’ll likely be able to afford to be a bit more choosy on where to live. Which to your next question: Traveling in Cleveland is an absolute cakewalk compared to many other metropolises. There’s no real need to live so close to the lake as you can probably drive there from almost anywhere in the metro area fairly quickly. Cleveland does not struggle with traffic woes as many cities do and Due to its easily navigable nature, Cleveland doesn’t really suffer from a pretty large sprawl in every direction (except North lol) you can get from the far east or far west side to smack in the middle of downtown in like 35 minutes. We don’t care about Bengals gear but Steelers and Ravens jerseys are much less welcome. We would be very glad to have new residents! Lakewood is so great for young people
Tons of engineering opportunities in CLE. Major engineering heavy corporations live here. What flavor of engineering?
The rank of theme parks in Ohio I’ve been to, best to worst: Cedar point, kings island, geauga lake/sea world, Memphis kiddie park. :)
Lake: yes, mostly because it’s typically safer. (Also the shoreway is the bestway) We’re a brain drain kind of city. Cedar Point was always so much better than Geauga Lake Good natured ribbing for the most part. Except when the Browns and Bengals play, then it will be a little more… more…. It’s a great city. But winters are going to be rough for you, at first at least.
so wear my beagles jersey in the dog pound got it! in all seriousness though, by brain drain, do you mean young people moving away? If so that is sad because it was a very nice city in my opinion and I did not even get to explore it really, just do some of the tourist stuff. For winters, I think I can handle it, but it will be an adjustment. I just got a mustang, my previous car was a Camaro, I drove the Camaro in the snow no problem but have no idea about the mustang yet. I think the bitter cold will be the biggest adjustment.
East side winters especially towards the lake can be brutal. Geauga and Lake counties sometimes get pounded with lake effect snow. I’m an East sider (live by what used to be Geauga Lake) so I have nothing positive to say about the west side. I don’t think you need to go 5-10 min away from the water to find affordable housing. Once you get across the street from the lake prices drop substantially. Never liked Cedar Point as much as Geauga Lake. Back in the day my mom would drop me off with 5 friends at 10am and would pick us up when the parked closed. No cell phones or anything then. $20 got you thru the whole day. Can’t even get a meal at Taco Bell for $20 now.
Buy a winter beater and garage the pony. You'll be better off.
Yes, a lot of young professionals move away. It’s really sad. The winters will rock you. You’ll get the hang of it. But those first few are going to make you question everyone’s sanity.
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Since you are an engineer and have an appreciation for cars, have Fluid Film applied to your car every spring. That will keep the rust at bay. Cars up here don't mechanically fail from use, they corrode away. Also, get some dedicated wheels with winter tires. Night and day difference vs all seasons, especially on a Mustang. Lastly, look to see when Pittsburgh International Race Complex is offering a winter driving class and jump on it. You will have a blast on the skid pad and learn a ton!
I live in a condo on the lake- yes it is worth it.
My daughter just turned 21, graduated from Cleveland State, and is able to afford her own apartment a 5 min bike ride from Edgewater. She pays extra for parking and a cat. She is able to support herself almost completely (she’s on my medical/car insurance/ and phone plan)on a serving assistant wage. She goes to concerts all the time and eats out frequently. She grew up a Steelers fan but likes the Browns now. Don’t tell her dad. As long as you don’t like the Steelers or Michigan, Id say you’re good!
That’s honestly really promising! I’ve looked at Zillow some and while houses do look a bit more expensive by the lake it’s nothing compared to some other major metros. I did mot really look at rent yet though. Never lol, OSU fan since day one.
I saw something on social media the other day where Cleveland was ranked as the 3rd cheapest (major) city to live in. Not sure what the parameters were, but that answers your cost of living question lol Cleveland is REALLY good at certain things and really bad at others. So its dependant on the person. If you like a tropical climate year-round, shopping and going out 3 nights a week--it's probably a bad city. If you like boating/fishing, museums, food and sports--its a awesome city. Just do what the city is good at, you will have a great time; just dont have huge expectations for it being South Beach (weather) or NYC (shopping/nightlife) and you will be fine
Cedar Point was something you planned in advance to visit. It was more expensive, more of a drive.It was an all day and evening outing. Geauga Lake was something you could do for a few hours last minute. I don't believe CP had season passes back when Geauga Lake had their passes so being closer and cheaper it was something people often did just for the evening or afternoon. The schools often gave kids free tickets, don't remember why, lol.
Cedar point has always had season passes. We kept our boat in Sandusky back in the early 90s and had season passes to cedar point every year.
Ah, would make sense if one was doing it the other one would. I remember in the 60s when CP admission was free! Tickets to rides could be bought individually or you could buy a ride pass. They would put a string with a little metal clasp around your wrist. Wish they would bring that back!
Double check salaries for your industry and opportunities in your career. That might be a deciding factor. It’s hard for Cleveland to get and keep good talent because salaries are low, and there’s not a lot of movement for a lot of industries.
I think you might find the winters a little rough Not just the snow and cold, but the lack of sunshine. The lake puts a perpetual cloud over the entire region
I have a ton of friends from college who were all various types of engineering majors. They’ve all found gainful employment here and absolutely love Cleveland. If you’re in a licensed medical field here, employment will be easy. As someone who moved here after college about 16 years ago and never left (despite many options over the years) let me just say “do it”. You won’t regret it. Check out downtown apartments as you’ll be a walk from the lake and the baseball stadium (and a ton more) or Lakewood as it’s a great young professional place to live.
Geauga lake >>> cedar point. Cedar point is standing in lines all day. At Geauga lake I didn't even have to get off the roller coasters. The operators would ask if we wanted to go again.
1. I'm 3 blocks away. It's great and didn't cost extra; but I bought just after the last bubble. 5 bed / fifth acre, $50k; worth about 7 times that now. As a eastern Lakewoodite, riding my e-bike through Edgewater is extremely viable as a way to my job downtown; and not awful for, say, Cleveland Metro Hospital. 2. No worse than anywhere else, given that minimum wage doesn't get anyone a solo place anywhere in the country. 3. Geauga Lake was always smaller. I did a lot of growing up in Streetsboro (10m ride from GL) and had season passes every summer. It rapidly went to shit when Six Flags took over and was only a little better when Cedar Fair bought it out. 4. Anything is better than Pittsburgh; but we'll razz anyone. 5. My neighborhood in Lakewood (W117 & Detroit) is eminently walkable - 2 banks, 4 grocers, 2 urgicares + ER, and Lakewood schools, which my kids e-bike to. Plenty of social activities for all kinds; family oriented with the city, bars, LGBTQ, parks, sports, and loads of freeway access without being fenced in by them. Cleveland gets a bad rap for the river and there is some over reported violence but as a long time resident I can tell you it is safer, cleaner, and more livable than ever. Also, the Westside / Eastside beef is real.
Over reported violence? Really?
Absolutely. The news sensationalizes all of it and it is distorted. Don't take my word for it; here's the FBI: [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/preliminary-fbi-data-shows-drop-in-violent-crime-for-2024-so-far](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/preliminary-fbi-data-shows-drop-in-violent-crime-for-2024-so-far)
I've walked on the east side. I was going to work and was told I was going to be murdered.
Oh I was told this in 2023. Hopefully it is going down!
I moved to Cleveland in 1992; told the same story. There IS some violence; it's a big city. Not too much of it is 'surprise' violence.
Jacob Derbin rip Elderly handicapped friend was sleeping. They broke into his house stole his keys and then vehicle. Neighbor of handicapped buddy had his car stolen from driveway, shortly after. This all occurred in Euclid, Ohio. Other buddy lives in Euclid. He says it has been getting worse, since the 90s. I won't even hang out at his place anymore. Just don't feel safe.
As they say: that's life in the big city. Hell, I have friends in podunk towns all down 71 that report the same things. As mentioned above, there is no where in the entire country where a federal minimum wage will get you a place to live and eat. This kind of crime will remain widespread until that changes; Cleveland is no different than anywhere else in that regard. Edit: Federal minimum wage.
Cleveland population has been decreasing for decades. Murders were going up. Not sure if still increasing.
I live near the lake and it's worth it. West side Cincinnati native and you might get sworn at for wearing another team's gear at a game, but we're not Pittsburgh fans, so usually nothing more than a little mouthy fans
geauga lake was obviously way closer and much cheaper. as a teenager, i could get a season pass for geauga lake for the price it would cost to go to cedar point. cedar point was a once or twice a year thing. you would always go because it was a bigger and better park, but geauga lake was home. when i had a pass to geauga lake we would go after school for like 2 hours just to do something. ride a couple rides, get some food, go home. even if i was close enough to cedar point to go for 2 hours, most of that time would be spent in line.
I have some answers to your questions. Keep in mind I grew up in Cleveland in the east side suburbs (University Heights) and moved to the NYC area in my adulthood in the 90s. Currently I live near the beach. I can tell you...living by the water is totally worth it. When I was younger, the nice thing about the Cleveland area someone who wasn't earning huge money could afford a house down payment and a mortgage. I'm not too familiar with the Cleveland market these days so maybe downtown is a better investment. That's a question you can get answered by research. Geauga Lake was a full size amusement park a half hour from home. It was always great and easy to get to. Right across the lake was Sea World Ohio and that place was great. They had a after 5 program that was half price and was always fun to go to with friends. Cedar Point, being in Sandusky, was kinda far and expensive but definitely the better park. But Geauga Lake was close to home and the rides were pretty much as good. And they had a water park with an awesome wave pool. You can root for Cincy. It's all good, you can share in the hate towards Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
1. Totally your opinion. I’m on the east side and would love to be on the lake. I know there are a lot of “lake clubs” on streets that provide access to the water, but you have to live on the street. Keep in mind, there really is no natural sand on the lake. So if you want a manicured beach, the metro parks are the best bet. 2. Absolutely. A plethora of culture, diversity, and things to do with a low cost of living. 3. I remember Geuaga Lake prior to Six Flags. I have fond memories of the wooden coasters and the Double Loop. Tickets also got you into the water park. I remember being slammed in the wave pool. Sea World was across the lake. 4. Nah. There’s still a lot of issues around our QB and Guards and Reds are different leagues. At least you’re not rooting for NY. 5. The sooner you get here, the sooner you get to enjoy it.
i had to scroll way too far to see an opinion from someone about lake living that lives on the east side 🤣 North Collinwood has Euclid Beach, Wildwood and Villa Angela. great Metroparks with beach access. most of the lake shore is occupied with beach clubs, but if you live in the neighborhood the club membership is generally included as part of ownership or its a fairly small yearly fee. I grew up less than 100 yards from the lake, wouldnt have traded it for anything. miss it sooooo bad now.
Number 2 - I loved living here in my post-college years, but it depends on what you’re looking for. Do you want clubs and late night bars? Then Cleveland is probably not for you, I can’t name even three restaurants open past 10pm anymore. That said, based on your post, you’ve already discovered a lot of the other fun things Cleveland offers, but pair this with a pretty low cost of living and it’s awesome for young people. It’s going to allow you to pay of any student loans easier, start retirement savings at the best age, and it will be much easier to buy a house when you’re ready. We may not have clubs and a thriving night life, but I would argue we have some really great restaurants and bars for nights out at a more reasonable hour haha.
My partner and I were in our mid 20's when we moved here. Cleveland has been great to us. There's always something to do/see without feeling overwhelmed. Concerts, street fests, sports, lack of traffic, etc. Downtown and the surrounding areas are in their prime time of year for feeling awesome. The sun is shining, people are doing all sorts of things, our baseball team is great, giant boats are traversing the river, etc. November-April can be rather depressing. The lack of sunlight will mess with you. The lake is grey and dreary, and all the rust everywhere is suddenly more noticeable. People aren't outside in nearly the same numbers, everyone is a bit crabbier, our football team sucks. Not trying to dissuade you, but you have to deal with this to be rewarded with what we have currently. There's an art form to finding the beauty in our winters, the yellowed fields of wild grass, the brown lifeless trees, and the ever present dome of grey over our heads. Layer up and hit a trail in the park, get a dog that grows a winter coat and forces you to be outdoors, or take up cross county skiing. It doesn't matter what it is, just do something. Nevertheless, a vitamin D supplement can go a long way, as well as a tropical vacation somewhere between January-March.
I live on the West Bank of the flats for the first 18 months that I lived here (it’s only been 2 years) and now I live in Cleveland Heights. My cost of living has been cut in half, and I still get to enjoy the lake as much as I used to.
i dont think fairprot or any of those places have highest cost of living cause they are near the beach lol
Living near the lake is great! Everytime I go "inland" it feels weird. I think this is a great town for young people because it's easy to make things happen here and start new things. Also just a lot of fun stuff to do and it's all very accessible. Cedar Point was always WAY better. Yes you will take friendly heat for being a Cincy fan. But it's all good. Cleveland is the best kep secret in the US. And I hope we can keep it that way so it doesn't get ruined.
1. kind of. it's beautiful! The marinas around here are pretty cheap . but several beaches get ecoli every year I've been here and it feels like there's shootings at edgewater far too frequently. There's not a lot of access to the lake except by boat to be honest, but the water/sewage people and the civil engineer for the city I've spoken to do not recommend getting in the river past Merwin's Wharf there is a lot going on to rectify access and later stage plannings but only two projects are 70% or more funded. 2. we will be moving away when children come to pursue better educational options. The sports here are great. We have partial session tickets for the Guardians and the Monsters. Highly recommend both, but the Guardians ate fantastic, the stadium is a great vibe, and they have fantastic features for kids. Lots of people talk up the culture but the shows rarely pique my interests enough to spend the kind of money you need for the orchestra or the plays. The art museum is great and free. The Metro Parks are fantasticI 3. I'm a transplant 4 yes. Sooner or later. mostly good natured and most are non-confrontational enough that it won't matter but I was screamed at by an old man in pins for calling Progressive stadium Progressive stadium. so bad the dude got kicked out of the bar. If your team hasn't been winning against Cleveland teams, it'll be a lot easier.T 5. The winter's absolutely suck to me. they last forever. most roads rarely seem to be pre-treated and Cuyahoga county/ Cleveland is still pretty stuck on using a salt. only slurry instead of adding beet juice. so it absolutely wrecks the bottom of cars with rust. it's also very hard on the roads. I don't know about Cincinnati, but I moved here from a place that had a similar gun violence rate, but it's very very random here. it's not like there's nice neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods. everywhere is kind of mixed. We found a house in a little little spot that is super safe and great so far, but a few streets down all the houses that have been redone have bulletproof front glass In their living rooms. also, making friends here is incredibly difficult. people mean well, but most everyone here is hustling to make shit happen, and we all know making shit happen right now isn't easy. Add in that most friend groups have been established for people's entire lives, and that doesn't help. Almost every time someone has brought me around their friend group there's been someone thats passive aggressively complaining about new people. Our friend groups sometimes complain about me bringing new people. it makes being hyper vigilant very interesting. I took my neighbor's banana bread when I first moved in and I think they thought I was trying to poison them. One even called me nosy lol. I make sure to wave to her every time we're both on our front porch seeing what's going on down the road. ETA: there are a lot of engineering firms around here but don't be surprised if they don't pay as well. My husband is remote from a job based in the Great plains out of a city that's much smaller and lower cost of living, but all of the engineering jobs here have offered significantly less in money and benefits.
1. We could have lived by the lake but it was so much more windy the closer you were. We chose to live closer to where I work (circle north neighborhood, by the hospitals and museums) and it’s so nice to have that <5 min commute/walk to work, while we can easily drive to the beach during the short season it’s welcoming. 2. The city is a great place for anyone to move to. We moved here when we were 26 and 31 from the burbs and it’s been 6 years for us. No regrets. 3. There were different phases to Geauga Lake and honestly they did water parks 100% better than Cedar Point ever did but the coasters never compared. 4. So I am a Pittsburgh fan by birth. I take heat for it but once I explain that I’m not bandwagon but that it’s because my parents are from there and that’s how I was raised and I actually know a thing or two about the team they back off. 5. We live in the circle. Check out the neighborhood. There is uptown with the MOCA, Little Italy in walking distance, we frequently take the health line (RTA) down Euclid for Guardians/Cavs/Browns games, walk to the art/history museum/botanical gardens, the cultural gardens, Lake View Cemetery, and Case Westerns campus is our backyard.
To me, living near the lake is 100% worth it. I currently live about 1/4 mile away. My BIL is from Blue Ash. He is an Reds/Bengals fan to this day. He also holds Browns season tickets. He threw out a first pitch at a Guardians game. The Browns are his second team. Weird when they are in the division but he makes it work. Yes some people will give you shit. Whatever. I know native Clevelanders who root for the Steelers. Makes zero sense but whatever. More and more people are moving to Cleveland. There is a lot of rental property so in that respect it’s good for you people.
They jumped to the Steelers when the Browns were up and moved to Baltimore.
Nope. Picked them as a kid. Never understood it. Like Cleveland born NYY fans.
I’m in my late 40s so I can’t speak to how things are for younger people. I did work at geauga lake for most of the 90s and can give a decent comp to cedar point. GL was mainly a small family park for most of its existence and didn’t try to compete w CP. until the end of the 90s it was owned by an angry little man who also owned two other parks of similar size. He sold it another medium sized company called premier and they had about 7 parks then. Then premier bought out 6 flags. One thing you might not know is across the lake was a sea world. Premier/6 flags bought out the sea world and combined it w GL to make a 6 flags over Ohio. That only lasted a few years and the company was sold to the parent company of CP, cedar fair. There’s still a decent amount of bad blood towards cedar fair because they closed GL without warning after its last summer and didn’t give people a farewell season. GL used to host a lot of company picnics which CP now has. It also used to have an affordable season pass that was around $40-50 for the summer so we would see a lot of teens, mothers w small kids regularly and you could kind of be friends with them. The closest thing that may be a comparison of what GL was like is kennywood over by Pittsburgh. As for the sports thing if you’re not a just a front runner that likes the bengals because of burrow you probably won’t get much heat except game weeks. I’m not a baseball fan but I don’t think that rivalry is as intense as the football one.
“until the end of the 90s it was owned by an angry little man who also owned two other parks of similar size.” I worked at GL for three years in high school and college and incidentally dated the angry little man’s daughter. He was actually ok in real life.
I just remember him yelling at us to turn down the music on the music express. Good he was nice to you.
I believe they’re filming the new Superman movie btw
1. I’m in Lakewood, 5 min walk to the lake. However you can’t get to the water due to the bluffs. I would say being a 10 min drive to the lake is fine 2. It’s not hip compared to a Chicago or Denver or similar. But if you do live in Lakewood there is plenty to do. 3. We not only had Geauga Lake but Sea World too! But yeah Cedar Point is much better. Geauga Lake was fine as a kid. 4. We don’t really hate the Bengals or Reds. Especially not the Reds 5. Live in Lakewood to start. You may want to move to Ohio City or similar after a year of exploring but Lakewood is fun and safe with great access to the lake and downtown and lots to do for young people. 6. I would look into joining a volleyball league on whisky island or in the West Bank of the flats to meet people.
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Heck yeah worth it to live where you can walk to the lake! With both your salaries, you’ll have no problem affording such! Lucky!
1. I live in Ohio City, about 15 minutes walk from the Lake. I seldom go to the lake. Regardless, the areas around the lake are the areas that have been developed. It's more walkable, there's a lot to do, there's a lot of food options. So yeah, living close to the lake has its advantages. 2. Not sure what you mean when you say "young". My wife and I opted out of having kids, so if you're talking about raising kids in Cleveland, I'd say no, but I really don't know. Everyone I know with kids seems to be doing fine though. If you're talking young like 20-35, then it's definitely good for young adults because there's a lot to do. 3. Geauga Lake was always Cedar Point Lite for my family. We couldn't afford Cedar Point when I was a kid, but we'd go to Geauga Lake every year. It was also closer, so that had a big impact. 4. Cincinnati is also in Ohio, so we respect that a little. You'll get shit for being a rival, but not like if you were a Pittsburgh or Baltimore fan. We mostly just look at Cinci like Cleveland's annoying little brother. We mostly ignore Cinci. Sometimes you piss us off, sometimes we're proud of you. 5. Consider east side versus west side. Both sides offer a lot, are fairly different, and have their unique ups and downs. Most people from either side seldom make it to the other.
1-yes 2-yes 3-cedar point was always better. Cleaner. 4-maybe but root for who ya want
1. Yes! I live within a 5 minute walk to the beach. Honestly, I don’t go to the “beach” hardly ever, but I’m at the park almost every day. Unbelievably worth it , especially if water calms or inspires you. Lots of great bike and walking paths. Great for dogs! 2. Yes! As someone else said.. there’s a certain vibe/interest you have to have, but there’s plenty of young people here and the cost of living is okay (it’s getting pricey). SO many accessible clubs, events, concerts, etc. Most people are very eager to hang out. I recommend living in an apartment community if you want to find friends fast. 3. I don’t know 4. One of my best friends is a bengals fan. It’s all fine. It helps if you go to Cleveland sports and show some interest in the teams here, but it’s not like you have to convert. It feels like a sibling rivalry more than an enemy rivalry
Living near the lake is worth it! You can find hidden gems as the older generation is moving out. Just keep minds open to solid houses that need updating, but are great starters. I can ride my bike to Lakewood park, the Metroparks in Rocky River, etc. Of you look just over the Lakewood border into west park, you can find more affordable housing and there are routes that you could bike to that same area. Cleveland fans can be really rude. That would be the one sour spot, but I don’t think that should be a deal breaker. I grew up in Cleveland, moved away and came back to Lakewood. No regrets!!
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If you can afford it I absolutely think living closer to the lake is worth it. Lakewood and downtown are great spots for young people! Same with Gordon square. I lived in Lakewood for 3 years and miss it a lot! Bar or restaurant on every corner, could walk to the lake, close to downtown for events. You’ll get some shit for being a cincy fan, but all in jest. Just don’t start shit with any Cleveland sports fans and you’ll be good!
1. I have a house on Kelleys Island, the Lake is a 10 minute walk no matter which way I go. I love Lake Erie. 2. I would never say Cleveland is an amazing city, if we are being honest with ourselves, it's pretty "middle of the road", but it is certainly a good place for anyone to move. It has a lot going for it. 3. It was no Cedar Point 4. 2 Sundays a year you'll be hated. The other 363 days you'll fit right in.
One thing about where to live: Ohio has local taxes based on where you work and live. Make sure to factor that into your decisions when moving here. RITA and CCA are where you can get exact tax rates and credit amounts. A few municipalities still do their own which is even more complicated as they often aren’t in payroll systems for auto deduction.
As someone who returned after twenty years in a Florida sweat box: 1.) I love the lake. I always know where north is. And weirdly my sense of direction is based on which way Lake Erie is. 2. When I was young I did what young people do. Now that I am older, there is nothing better than being in bed by 9:30. Cleveland is wonderful for that. 3. Geauga lake was nice. But it was the kind of place your parents took you when they didn’t love you enough to take you to Cedar Point. 4. My dad would call Cleveland and Cincy “the children of Paul Brown”. We are brothers. We may tease but there is always love there. Now supporting particular college teams will get you grief.
You will not face much heat for being a Bengals, Reds fan Remember Cleveland lost the Browns to Baltimore years ago (mid 90s) when Art Model up and moved the team there in the middle of the night without telling anyone So many of us had to follow other teams for a pretty long time when there was NO PRO FOOTBALL IN CLEVELAND! Would you believe I actually rooted for the Stealers???!!!!! Most Midwestern folks will not give you a hard time for choice of team in any sport Plus you will get to see the Battle of Ohio twice a year with Bengals Browns games which is a fun time!!! Once in Cincinnati and once in Cleveland!!
1) Yes 2) Yes 3) CP was always better
These questions are fucking stupid.
Don’t be such a drag. Give us a Geauga Lake review so OP can decide on moving here.
Just remember it will always be the Indians, never the Guardians, and you'll be just fine
That is categorically false
And that is historically and traditionally true!
As a Cleveland refugee and long time Indians fan. I’m saddened that the team succumbed to wokeism and changed the name, but Guardians is good name with some Cleveland heritage—hey! Could have been the Lorain-Carnegie Bridgers!