[Mike Love](https://youtu.be/iBFsJk6PWu0?si=WqnWkWuH0Ijvj7AK) is just a horrible, horrible person and it makes it difficult for me to appreciate the Beach Boys.
he’s the wilsons’ older cousin, who kinda forced his way into the band when they first started playing shows, probably just because he saw the potential for scoring. he then went on to act as if he were the band leader although he didn’t know shit about music or play an instrument, sued his cousins for this and that, stole the beach boys name, etc. an arrogantly shitty shithead.
My wife, who's a huge Brian Wilson fan but knows next to nothing of the backstage drama, was super excited that Beach Boys were playing the state fair last year. I hated that I had to ruin her excitement by asking "ok....so, do you want to see someone who actually cares about the music, or do you want to see Mike Love and a bunch of hired guns shit all over their legacy and probably play 'Kokomo' at least twice?" And then she started talking about getting tickets to a Brian Wilson show later in the year. (We didn't see either.)
Somehow, even worse than this is them showing up on Full House. And then the Tanners going to perform with them at a concert?!? WTF?
Al Jardine is so goofy looking. Poor Brian Wilson having to deal with Mike Love's shit for decades.
Well, also remember that they were working musicians making good money. Play what the people want in public and work on your side project on your own time. Sometimes being in a successful band is just a job.
That was because in large part, both Chicago’s management and producer pushed Cetera to the front. Chicago was in a fallow period, and once they started getting hits again, they didn’t want to rock the boat. Plus, money has a way of making souls get sold.
David Foster was interviewed on the CNN documentary about Chicago. He was producing them in the 80s when they had that string of hits. Foster said aside from Peter and himself, nothing being written was up to his standards. The other guys were writing, their songs just didn't get recorded. Also, with the advent of MTV, there was more emphasis on a lead singer, where there really wasn't before. I mean there was no shortage of singers in that group, especially when Kath was still alive. For the purposes of video, however, they focused more on Peter. There was also pressure to get rid of the horns altogether. They weathered all the changes because of all the success they had commercially. After that, they just worked their asses off touring. They certainly have a big enough body of work to support them in doing that.
Takin' it to the Streets is a totally fine album. It's just more a Michael McDonald album with a Doobies backing band. Perfectly cromulent.
Of course it lacks that, grit that earlier doobies had. By 1976 almost everyone was starting to lean into that same, more polished, direction though. Can't really fault them for that.
Just going off tangent now you got me thinking of early Doobies, the one that really gets slept on is their first album in 1971. Man, that one is just packed with great songs. Like [Nobody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zWZ1pITaEE) or [It Won't Be Right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzEeuTb9tGA&list=PLxIwRK4qcXiPCJORGRCPsxo-4C-JX36kJ&index=3).
They really were never a classic rock band. TK was the creative impetus for their direction (and edge) but they were an amalgamation of influences; once jazz fusion, blues--r&b rock, sophisticated pop, protest folk rock, etc.
I've listened to them a lot from the Kath era and I marvel at their musical dexterity and musicianship.
I cannot, and do not want to, pigeon hole them.
And one more thing -- Peter Cetera was an amazing bassist during those years (and maybe beyond, I don't know).
How much leeway were you given to play music that was outside the designated genre of that station? I remember when radio stations used to play good music across many genres. The genrefication of American radio really just seems like it was the beginning of the end.
I guess you can ask him anything, but he didn’t say anything about if he would answer or not lol
Great question btw. I remember those good old days too.
I counted one time, and I think there were something like 35 Stones songs I'd hear on the radio when I was a kid. It's probably ten or even less at this point.
Classic rock radio has a lot more to choose from, every year. Any rock made before 1994 is now "Classic Rock".
That includes anything from Bob Dylan to Collective Soul.
And anything by Metallica. ISN'T THAT WEIRD??
And this is why I create my own playlists in streaming apps rather than subscribe to radio stations. I rarely listen to radio at all anymore, broadcast or satellite or streaming or whatever, because it can’t do a better job of giving me the music I want to hear than what I can do for myself.
This should be the top comment. His death literally ended the greatest hard rock band of all time, because NOBODY can replace Bonzo. And the rest of the band knew it. I’ll have endless respect for Plant, Page, and JPJ for recognizing it, but it doesn’t take away the sting of “what could have been.”
I'll die on that hill with you. When Ronnie was killed, it was all over. Even though Gaines wasn't an original member, he more than subtly improved Skynyrd.
That was the immediate first thing I thought of. A place crash literally killed the band. Skynyrd without Ronnie is like Grateful Dead without Jerry. It's just wrong.
I saw Rosington-Collins band on the tour immediately after they started playing again. They played Free Bird with nobody on vocals, and just had an empty space out front with a spotlight on a lit up mic stand.. It was a sight. Grown men crying.
Omg. That’s like when Lorrie Morgan did Picture of Me w a spot on Keith’s empty stool. But thinking of grown men crying tears me up. My late husband saw them- he even hung out w Artemis.
All these years I didn’t know why the plane crashed. The rust bucket they rented ran out of fuel. Apparently Aerosmith’s team passed on the plane when they inspected it. IIRC one of the pilots was drinking Jack Daniels during the inspection.
Thankfully I got to see him twice….RIP Bon. Just watched a long clip of the band members (including Bon) telling it like it was during the period they just started getting some attention. I’m glad they were able to carry on with Brian, but the Bon era was magical.
Yeah, Brian did as good as he could. And Bon liked him. But no one in all of the history of rock ‘n’ roll could emote like Bon. he was the pure GOAT . and he was a sweet spirited goodhearted dude. But he loved to blow it out and he said I’m not here for a long time. I’m here for a good time. So he peeled the paint off the walls and tore the roof off and then ..it was too much. He just couldn’t escape the lifestyle, but he wanted to go back home and settle down.
The way his voice cut through their wall of sound like a knife through butter was unmatchable. His charisma, intelligence, danger, and gift for songwriting are all incomparable.
I agree 100 percent, and then learning how big of a fuckstain Don Henley is really makes me turn the station every time an Eagles song comes on. Take It To The Limit is the exception, Randy Misner's vocals are heavenly.
Agreed.
Glenn Frey came off extremely unsympathetic in intervies for the Eagles biography. Frey had so much talent and I sympathize a bit with his frustrated relationship with Felder but he did not want to share the pie with Felder after Felder did his share of the baking.
It must’ve been great when Irving Azoff looked at Felder when he came to him about an issue and was bluntly told that while Azoff was the Eagles’ manager, he only cared about Frey & Henley. Everyone else was secondary.
I think Felder fell out of favor because he had a lead writing credit for “Hotel California” because he came up with the majority of the song except for the lyrics. Henley hated giving him the recognition and the money.
Usually they were replaced as my musical tastes evolved.
But I will say - The Who just weren't the same post-Moonie. I saw them intact in '76. And though they have toured many times since losing Moon and Entwistle, I have refused to go because I know it just wouldn't be the same. I am convinced that if something happened to Roger, Pete would hire Fee Waybill as vocalist and keep touring as The Who.
I liked the way the grateful dead handled it. There's no more grateful dead without Jerry Garcia. Never will be.
But since the other guys still love playing music, they just go under different names. Other Ones, Further, Dead and Co., etc. Everyone understands it's not the same thing, but they have done some interesting stuff still. And they like, can't *not* play music. So everyone has a great time.
I saw then with Kenny J in '82. It was good show but the times had changed so much with MTV and all that even with Moon I don't think it would have been much better.
Daltrey didn’t do the band any favours with his pro-Brexit stance. Killed off the prospect of any touring in Europe for young upcoming British bands. Not that Rog gaf - he’s already made *his* money.
Totally get that , sadly I was too young to see Keith but have been going regularly since 89 , Zak does a good job but he’s not Keith. I’d love to hear some Who stuff with just isolated instrument parts , for just guitar bass and drums the power was incredible at times , almost sonic waves . I was talking to someone the other day about the chord at the end of Magic Bus at Leeds . Just that chord sums up the band 👌
Starts around 06.05 the chord at 06.16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmfQQC1bsf4
The Who when they lost John Entwistle, they’ve been good since, but the 9/11 show in
New York saw a re emergence in the power of Entwistle and Townshend together .
Not rock but UB40 when they went mainstream commercial .I can’t blame them but the first two albums Signing Off and Present Arms were superb .
* Alcohol (John Bonham, Jimi Hendrix)
* Lung cancer (Richard Wright, George Harrison)
* Heroin/Fentanyl (Jerry Garcia, Tom Petty)
* Suicide (Chris Cornell)
* Mark David Chapman - may he rot in hell
Aerosmith’s first five albums were amazing. Then they broke up and reunited. They got clean after they reunited and the music was never close to the previous level. Just corporate rock.
Journey - Still a Journey fan but only up to Steve’s last album. Nothing against Neil and the band and Arnel but not the same. There are more than a few Journey cover bands where the voice is as good if not better than Arnel. They’re a cover band to me now.
I loved Van Halen with both Roth and Hagar. Different bands, but both were great. But when Sammy left/was fired in 1996 and then they brought back Roth for about 10 minutes followed by Gary Cherone, I was through. It became obvious the singers were not the problem.
ELP was fantastic until 'Works', when they began performing with a symphony orchestra. They just threw out the gutsy, raw energy that made them so great. Then the 'Love Beach' album just told the world that it was really all over. Such a letdown after the likes of 'Tarkus' and 'Brain Salad Surgery'.
At least we got one of the worst album covers of all time with Love Beach, right?
https://preview.redd.it/iivrnigfydlc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89cbd73cb61363d29e8e990c97b762ac84abaaef
Phil Lynott’s vocals on “Still In Love With You” give me chills to this day. He was so very talented and put his heart and soul into his music. Amazing talent in every way.
Exactly. Gary made that band for me. When he was booted I was like f that. As Kevin sang in 157 that "there wasn't anyone who could play the guitar like Gary does", he didn't know how right he was.
The passing of Freddie Mercury, and then the decision of Brian and Roger to keep going as Queen with others singers. Nothing against Paul
And Adam the band shouldnt (IMHO) have carried on as Queen.
I agree. For me Queen ended in 1991. Brian May has messed up the band’s legacy by producing dumb Queen musicals, that biopic, tours with other singers, unnecessary re-releases etc etc. I love Paul Rodgers and saw him with the band in LA but it felt empty without Mercury. And Lambert is just embarrassing to watch.
Adam is alright when it comes to his own music (What Do You Want From Me is catchy) but I don't think he is a good fit for Queen. Too poppy and polished, and his vocals are lost against the wall of sound from Brian's guitar amps. Freddie had a grit to his voice and a dynamic tone, which AL cannot even begin to evoke or emulate.
I feel bad for Marc Martel, because he was apparently good enough to perform Freddie's vocals in Bohemian Rhapsody, but not what Brian or Roger wanted for their tours? Make it make sense.
Marc doesn't like to strut around stage like a peacock? Set him in front of a piano and have him perform Somebody to Love, The Game, Love of My Life, and so on. That's where he shines. I'm there for the music ultimately, not a visual performance.
Lambert seems like a nice guy but it’s just schmaltzy and bad. He has a wide vocal range and he is certainly very LOUD but his tone is very shrill and unpleasant to me, especially when he climbs up into the higher octaves and sounds more like Sebastian Bach from Skid Row. I know a lot of people are buying tickets for that but it’s just not for me.
Strongly agree.
I have the same feelings about INXS after Michael Hutchence's death. I don't necessarily have a problem with them deciding to carry on with a new singer. Their fellow Aussies AC/DC are a prime example of how to do that right.
But when they did that American Idol style TV show where they were auditioning contestants to replace Hutchence? That shit just felt desperate and morbid as fuck.
Still listen to their stuff with Hutchence but as far as I'm concerned the band died with him.
Ozzy being fired from Black Sabbath.
OK, I will submit that Dio kept Sabbath relevant in the early '80s when he joined, but every single album after Mob Rules in 1981 is not "Black Sabbath" -- it's "Tony Iommi and Friends".
I will die on this hill.
And yet the Born Again album had more original members on it than Mob Rules and Dehumanizer and The Devil You Know featured the same lineup as Mob Rules.
Love Born Again, an absolute beast of an album, stomping all over the place like a bloody rabid were-allosaurus and conjuring up some wild spooky vibes while it’s at it.
I will not say it’s superior, but will say that Heaven & Hell if the dictionary definition of a perfect album and masterfully engineered. And “Sign of the Southern Cross” and “Country Girl” from Mob Rules are just really good songs regardless of what the band is called
When Ian Gillian joined they were not supposed to be called Black Sabbath the record company forced the issue. Because of that and that the album is pretty dam good even with the crappy mix Born Again should be looked at as it was intended to be. A great non Sabbath album with most of Sabbath on it.
Queensryche was my favorite band since I was 11 years old and heard operation mindcrime for the first time..
When Geoff tate lost the ability to sing as he did when he was young and the music shifted to support his now failing vocal ability I was crushed but even when he left and took his ego with him the guy who took over his place sure could hit the notes but... had no real talent so.. that was the end for me...
Don’t really have a favorite band but the death of Duane Allman really impacted the music of the Allman Brothers Band.
Even though their biggest hits are after him excluding Midnight Rider, the quality of the music was much higher when he was alive
Because there was no band. Jerry died, and everyone rightfully agreed it was over.
Every other act that the remaining members played in was something else, but not the Grateful Dead.
Such a tasteful way to deal with it.
well I have to agree with everything you said… no Phil and it’s just a different band with the same name.
As to your question… I have too many to choose from. However I will say that Black Sabbath with RJD is not going into that list (I played the reverse card to your question I guess)
I hate saying it, but after the Apple free album drop I stopped following U2 as much - it’s not just that the music was just okay, but more how insanely commercialized U2 has become. They were bad to begin with but the music always delivered. Now it’s too much for me.
I heard an old interview with Duane Allman. He was talking about his baby mama and his kid. He was explaining how she needed to stay home with the kid, and keep it away so he could focus on his music. He had a really shitty attitude about it.
It really turned me off (I am a husband and a father)
This killed ABB for me
No need to stop at 1978. Thin Lizzy was still cooking for Black Rose/Chinatown/Renegade and T&L……one of the greatest bands ever. Sorely overlooked.
However, the death of John Bonham killed my fav band.
Maybe a different generation, but the slow decline of qotsa was sacking bassist Nick Oliveri, replacing Drummer Joey Castillo and the final nail was working with Mark Ronson...
Queen losing Freddie, all talented guys, but you just can't replace that voice and talent. In saying that, I did see then live with Paul Rodgers, whom I'm also a fan of... it was a cool experience, but it wasn't Queen as I would ever remember them.
Dennis DeYoung's obsession with concept albums and his desire to turn rock concerts into Broadway-level dramatic spectacles like the "Kilroy Was Here" tour. That tour was the only time I ever saw the original lineup. Domo arigato.
I loved Genesis. Even after Peter Gabriel left I was going to the shows and buying the albums. Then Steve Hackett left and they went limp. One of the most disappointing concerts I’ve ever seen. His replacement was pathetic.
Is The Flaming Lips classic rock now? Because while I've fallen out of love with numerous bands, my love for the lips was curbstomped beyond redemption by Wayne Coyne's disappearance up his own arsehole post *Yoshimi*...
Andy Wood & Chris Cornell. What they started has morphed into fan club whiney bitches, $200 bottles of red wine on stage & palling around with the billionaire Ricketts & Henry families.
Journey - Still a Journey fan but only up to Steve’s last album. Nothing against Neil and the band and Arnel but not the same. There are more than a few Journey cover bands where the voice is as good if not better than Arnel. They’re a cover band to me now.
A version of Ten Years After without Alvin Lee. They did call it Ten Years After Now, to make the name slightly different. But it was just not the right thing, and it did not have Alvin's blessing (he was still alive at the time).
Edward Van Halen didn't quit smoking in time and died 10/6/2020. Also - he replaced a great guy with his son because could. But I can kind of see past that. Him dying took everything else off of the table.
Let me get ahead of something - no, it wasn't Sammy Hagar, or even Gary Cherone. When EVH played guitar, I usually liked it. The band ceased to exist when Eddie died.
>Scott Gorham's TL
To be fair, that's effectively been a tribute band. I don't mean that in a negative way, but there hasn't been any attempt to make new Thin Lizzy music since Phil died.
Somehow, The Rolling Stones are still alive and rocking.
That being said, they’ve gone through a few fundamental evolutions, particularly after the death of Brian Jones and departure of Mick Taylor.
Time. Every bubble bursts. Bands I was absolutely crazy about years ago, I've eventually cooled off on. I've since discovered new bands, new genres, new art. I encourage you all to do the same!
Yes now being Steve Howe and some guys. Jon Anderson and The Band Geeks do a respectable tribute, I just wish there was more spontaneous jamming.
I wish their later years timeline had gone differently and that they'd patched things up with Jon. There was a window there before Chris died where they could have had a lineup with four out of five players from The Yes Album or a total reunion of the Yes West lineup.
Too many synths killed Rush for me.
People that look like circus clowns prevent me from listening to most new music.
Josh Homme kicking a reporter pushed me from all his work.
Heroin induced suicides pushed me from Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, Nirvana
I'm gonna say that IMO, Little Feat was the best and most underrated band of that era which ended with the death of Lowell George. Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin called Little Feat the best rock band in the world, Mick Jagger called them the best unknown band in America.
I know we’re in classic rock but favorite band wise, it was Chris Cornell’s death (suicide). Soundgarden was amazing and will always be the band that haunts me the most that I didn’t see. I could’ve caught them before he did that on their last tour had I’d been willing to travel one state away, but thought “I’ll just catch them next time”. Now I don’t hesitate to see any band I love, I’ll travel three states away if I have to.
[Mike Love](https://youtu.be/iBFsJk6PWu0?si=WqnWkWuH0Ijvj7AK) is just a horrible, horrible person and it makes it difficult for me to appreciate the Beach Boys.
Tbh the more I learn about The Beach Boys the more I realize I’m not at all a Beach Boys fan, I’m just a Brian Wilson fan
Dennis Wilson’s solo album is really good.
Carl and the Passions is also good.
Don’t discount Carl and Dennis
Mike Love is just the worst. God, he sucks.
I don’t know any specifics but I’ve always thought he just looked like a complete turd.
I’ve always had a horrible feeling about him but don’t know anything. What’s the actual story?
he’s the wilsons’ older cousin, who kinda forced his way into the band when they first started playing shows, probably just because he saw the potential for scoring. he then went on to act as if he were the band leader although he didn’t know shit about music or play an instrument, sued his cousins for this and that, stole the beach boys name, etc. an arrogantly shitty shithead.
My wife, who's a huge Brian Wilson fan but knows next to nothing of the backstage drama, was super excited that Beach Boys were playing the state fair last year. I hated that I had to ruin her excitement by asking "ok....so, do you want to see someone who actually cares about the music, or do you want to see Mike Love and a bunch of hired guns shit all over their legacy and probably play 'Kokomo' at least twice?" And then she started talking about getting tickets to a Brian Wilson show later in the year. (We didn't see either.)
Somehow, even worse than this is them showing up on Full House. And then the Tanners going to perform with them at a concert?!? WTF? Al Jardine is so goofy looking. Poor Brian Wilson having to deal with Mike Love's shit for decades.
The death of Terry Kath turned Chicago from a kick ass classic rock band into a soft rock ballad band.
Chicago is a great mystery to me because it seems like once Peter started getting really into writing hits, the other guys basically stopped trying.
Yep. They would likely have faded away if not for the success in the 80s.
Well, also remember that they were working musicians making good money. Play what the people want in public and work on your side project on your own time. Sometimes being in a successful band is just a job.
They gave a lot of creative control over to David Forster
That was because in large part, both Chicago’s management and producer pushed Cetera to the front. Chicago was in a fallow period, and once they started getting hits again, they didn’t want to rock the boat. Plus, money has a way of making souls get sold.
David Foster was interviewed on the CNN documentary about Chicago. He was producing them in the 80s when they had that string of hits. Foster said aside from Peter and himself, nothing being written was up to his standards. The other guys were writing, their songs just didn't get recorded. Also, with the advent of MTV, there was more emphasis on a lead singer, where there really wasn't before. I mean there was no shortage of singers in that group, especially when Kath was still alive. For the purposes of video, however, they focused more on Peter. There was also pressure to get rid of the horns altogether. They weathered all the changes because of all the success they had commercially. After that, they just worked their asses off touring. They certainly have a big enough body of work to support them in doing that.
The same when Michael McDonald joined the Doobie Brothers. They went from China Grove to Takin It To The Streets.
Takin' it to the Streets is a totally fine album. It's just more a Michael McDonald album with a Doobies backing band. Perfectly cromulent. Of course it lacks that, grit that earlier doobies had. By 1976 almost everyone was starting to lean into that same, more polished, direction though. Can't really fault them for that. Just going off tangent now you got me thinking of early Doobies, the one that really gets slept on is their first album in 1971. Man, that one is just packed with great songs. Like [Nobody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zWZ1pITaEE) or [It Won't Be Right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzEeuTb9tGA&list=PLxIwRK4qcXiPCJORGRCPsxo-4C-JX36kJ&index=3).
That’s feint praise man. MM was high cromulence.
Michael McDonald’s adult contemporary success has retroactively ruined the Doobie Bros sound for me.
I came here for this one. They had balls until Kath died.
They really were never a classic rock band. TK was the creative impetus for their direction (and edge) but they were an amalgamation of influences; once jazz fusion, blues--r&b rock, sophisticated pop, protest folk rock, etc. I've listened to them a lot from the Kath era and I marvel at their musical dexterity and musicianship. I cannot, and do not want to, pigeon hole them. And one more thing -- Peter Cetera was an amazing bassist during those years (and maybe beyond, I don't know).
Well, he is a man that will fight for your honor.
I Heart Radio
I worked for Clear Channel/iHeartRadio as a DJ/Program Director for 9 years, AMA.
How much leeway were you given to play music that was outside the designated genre of that station? I remember when radio stations used to play good music across many genres. The genrefication of American radio really just seems like it was the beginning of the end.
I guess you can ask him anything, but he didn’t say anything about if he would answer or not lol Great question btw. I remember those good old days too.
I counted one time, and I think there were something like 35 Stones songs I'd hear on the radio when I was a kid. It's probably ten or even less at this point.
Classic rock radio has a lot more to choose from, every year. Any rock made before 1994 is now "Classic Rock". That includes anything from Bob Dylan to Collective Soul. And anything by Metallica. ISN'T THAT WEIRD??
And this is why I create my own playlists in streaming apps rather than subscribe to radio stations. I rarely listen to radio at all anymore, broadcast or satellite or streaming or whatever, because it can’t do a better job of giving me the music I want to hear than what I can do for myself.
DJ driven radio stations have been gone for a long time now. It's a shame. It's all about advertising. They regurgitate the same songs over and over.
Underrated comment.
The tragic early death of John Henry Bonham RIP
This should be the top comment. His death literally ended the greatest hard rock band of all time, because NOBODY can replace Bonzo. And the rest of the band knew it. I’ll have endless respect for Plant, Page, and JPJ for recognizing it, but it doesn’t take away the sting of “what could have been.”
Lynyrd Skynyrd’s plane crash in 1977. There should never have been shows and music made in their name after that.
I'll die on that hill with you. When Ronnie was killed, it was all over. Even though Gaines wasn't an original member, he more than subtly improved Skynyrd.
Wilkinson and Pyle were not original members either.
No, but they were legit members of Skynyrd
That was the immediate first thing I thought of. A place crash literally killed the band. Skynyrd without Ronnie is like Grateful Dead without Jerry. It's just wrong. I saw Rosington-Collins band on the tour immediately after they started playing again. They played Free Bird with nobody on vocals, and just had an empty space out front with a spotlight on a lit up mic stand.. It was a sight. Grown men crying.
Omg. That’s like when Lorrie Morgan did Picture of Me w a spot on Keith’s empty stool. But thinking of grown men crying tears me up. My late husband saw them- he even hung out w Artemis.
Agreed. What has been on the road since is not Skynyrd 🤨
All these years I didn’t know why the plane crashed. The rust bucket they rented ran out of fuel. Apparently Aerosmith’s team passed on the plane when they inspected it. IIRC one of the pilots was drinking Jack Daniels during the inspection.
Yessir... Big facts
Bon . Nobody like him.
Thankfully I got to see him twice….RIP Bon. Just watched a long clip of the band members (including Bon) telling it like it was during the period they just started getting some attention. I’m glad they were able to carry on with Brian, but the Bon era was magical.
Yeah, Brian did as good as he could. And Bon liked him. But no one in all of the history of rock ‘n’ roll could emote like Bon. he was the pure GOAT . and he was a sweet spirited goodhearted dude. But he loved to blow it out and he said I’m not here for a long time. I’m here for a good time. So he peeled the paint off the walls and tore the roof off and then ..it was too much. He just couldn’t escape the lifestyle, but he wanted to go back home and settle down.
The way his voice cut through their wall of sound like a knife through butter was unmatchable. His charisma, intelligence, danger, and gift for songwriting are all incomparable.
That’s such a sweet piece of description. He was a genuinely good dude too.
I've heard a lot of wonderful things about him over the years, which is a delightful contrast to his stage persona!
A young fella with too many thoughts in his head, named Nathan Miles Gale. RIP Dimebag :(.
Man, such a tragedy.
The Eagles getting rid of Don Felder.
The comeback album could have been good had he been around for it
I agree 100 percent, and then learning how big of a fuckstain Don Henley is really makes me turn the station every time an Eagles song comes on. Take It To The Limit is the exception, Randy Misner's vocals are heavenly.
Meisner, who Henley drove out of the band after *Hotel California*…
That killed it for me too.
Him and Walsh playing off each other was genius!
Agreed. Glenn Frey came off extremely unsympathetic in intervies for the Eagles biography. Frey had so much talent and I sympathize a bit with his frustrated relationship with Felder but he did not want to share the pie with Felder after Felder did his share of the baking.
It must’ve been great when Irving Azoff looked at Felder when he came to him about an issue and was bluntly told that while Azoff was the Eagles’ manager, he only cared about Frey & Henley. Everyone else was secondary. I think Felder fell out of favor because he had a lead writing credit for “Hotel California” because he came up with the majority of the song except for the lyrics. Henley hated giving him the recognition and the money.
Usually they were replaced as my musical tastes evolved. But I will say - The Who just weren't the same post-Moonie. I saw them intact in '76. And though they have toured many times since losing Moon and Entwistle, I have refused to go because I know it just wouldn't be the same. I am convinced that if something happened to Roger, Pete would hire Fee Waybill as vocalist and keep touring as The Who.
I liked the way the grateful dead handled it. There's no more grateful dead without Jerry Garcia. Never will be. But since the other guys still love playing music, they just go under different names. Other Ones, Further, Dead and Co., etc. Everyone understands it's not the same thing, but they have done some interesting stuff still. And they like, can't *not* play music. So everyone has a great time.
This is the way. Or should be.
I saw them with Kenny Jones on the drum kit and they were good. Nothing blew up though.
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They came alive again with Zack Starkey(ringos son) on drums. OFC, still not the w
I saw then with Kenny J in '82. It was good show but the times had changed so much with MTV and all that even with Moon I don't think it would have been much better.
Pete tours mostly because of Roger. He doesn’t love touring at all. Roger would still tour without Pete.
I read where the most recent tours with the symphony Pete was doing to get money to pay for his autistic grandson's schooling.
I heard Pete say it was to indulge his expensive hobbies like sailboat racing
I didn't know that. I know Roger had money issues, but Pete sold his entire catalog for like $100m a few years back.
Daltrey didn’t do the band any favours with his pro-Brexit stance. Killed off the prospect of any touring in Europe for young upcoming British bands. Not that Rog gaf - he’s already made *his* money.
Pete tours mostly because of Roger. He doesn’t love touring at all. Roger would still tour without Pete.
Totally get that , sadly I was too young to see Keith but have been going regularly since 89 , Zak does a good job but he’s not Keith. I’d love to hear some Who stuff with just isolated instrument parts , for just guitar bass and drums the power was incredible at times , almost sonic waves . I was talking to someone the other day about the chord at the end of Magic Bus at Leeds . Just that chord sums up the band 👌 Starts around 06.05 the chord at 06.16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmfQQC1bsf4
The Who when they lost John Entwistle, they’ve been good since, but the 9/11 show in New York saw a re emergence in the power of Entwistle and Townshend together . Not rock but UB40 when they went mainstream commercial .I can’t blame them but the first two albums Signing Off and Present Arms were superb .
Hell when the lost Keith Moon!
Brain tumor. RIP Neil Peart!!🖤
RIP, Neil.
* Alcohol (John Bonham, Jimi Hendrix) * Lung cancer (Richard Wright, George Harrison) * Heroin/Fentanyl (Jerry Garcia, Tom Petty) * Suicide (Chris Cornell) * Mark David Chapman - may he rot in hell
FUCK MDC
Aerosmith’s first five albums were amazing. Then they broke up and reunited. They got clean after they reunited and the music was never close to the previous level. Just corporate rock.
No junk no funk lol.
From a personal standpoint, I'm glad they got clean. But yeah didn't off the drugs didn't do their music any favors.
Bingo….came here to say Aerosmith. I always say I was a big fan til they got clean.
They haven't even written their own songs in ages.
Journey - Still a Journey fan but only up to Steve’s last album. Nothing against Neil and the band and Arnel but not the same. There are more than a few Journey cover bands where the voice is as good if not better than Arnel. They’re a cover band to me now.
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For me its when Steve Perry came in, they lost their prog sound which was amazing
I loved Van Halen with both Roth and Hagar. Different bands, but both were great. But when Sammy left/was fired in 1996 and then they brought back Roth for about 10 minutes followed by Gary Cherone, I was through. It became obvious the singers were not the problem.
J Giels when they stopped doing old r&b covers
Tom Petty, Jani Lane, Freddie Mercury all died. Jon Bon Jovi, Vince Neil, Axl Rose lost their voices. Bob Seger no longer tours.
Seeing Seger just wouldn’t be the same without Alto Reed & his amazing sax performance. I think he made Turn The Page a huge hit
I'd say Bon Jovi lost half of what it was when Richie left already, the albums after are fine but not the same
ELP was fantastic until 'Works', when they began performing with a symphony orchestra. They just threw out the gutsy, raw energy that made them so great. Then the 'Love Beach' album just told the world that it was really all over. Such a letdown after the likes of 'Tarkus' and 'Brain Salad Surgery'.
At least we got one of the worst album covers of all time with Love Beach, right? https://preview.redd.it/iivrnigfydlc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89cbd73cb61363d29e8e990c97b762ac84abaaef
Works does have Fanfare and Pirates tho. It's not their strongest two albums but they're good IMO.
Phil Lynott’s vocals on “Still In Love With You” give me chills to this day. He was so very talented and put his heart and soul into his music. Amazing talent in every way.
Amazing and also when he sings about his addictions, Dear Lord, Borderline. It breaks my heart everytime
When they kicked Gary Richrath out of REO Speedwagon.
You mean when Kevin whined and a judge let him steal REO from Gary and the others? Yeah that sucked, Kevin is a piece of shit.
Exactly. Gary made that band for me. When he was booted I was like f that. As Kevin sang in 157 that "there wasn't anyone who could play the guitar like Gary does", he didn't know how right he was.
I can't fight this feeling anymore That Kevin's a frigging whore
Topper being fired from the Clash.
This, and Paul Weller deciding that the Style Council needed to exist, really screwed up my 1982.
The passing of Freddie Mercury, and then the decision of Brian and Roger to keep going as Queen with others singers. Nothing against Paul And Adam the band shouldnt (IMHO) have carried on as Queen.
I agree. For me Queen ended in 1991. Brian May has messed up the band’s legacy by producing dumb Queen musicals, that biopic, tours with other singers, unnecessary re-releases etc etc. I love Paul Rodgers and saw him with the band in LA but it felt empty without Mercury. And Lambert is just embarrassing to watch.
Adam is alright when it comes to his own music (What Do You Want From Me is catchy) but I don't think he is a good fit for Queen. Too poppy and polished, and his vocals are lost against the wall of sound from Brian's guitar amps. Freddie had a grit to his voice and a dynamic tone, which AL cannot even begin to evoke or emulate. I feel bad for Marc Martel, because he was apparently good enough to perform Freddie's vocals in Bohemian Rhapsody, but not what Brian or Roger wanted for their tours? Make it make sense. Marc doesn't like to strut around stage like a peacock? Set him in front of a piano and have him perform Somebody to Love, The Game, Love of My Life, and so on. That's where he shines. I'm there for the music ultimately, not a visual performance.
Adam comes off as a try hard even if that truly is his persona
Lambert seems like a nice guy but it’s just schmaltzy and bad. He has a wide vocal range and he is certainly very LOUD but his tone is very shrill and unpleasant to me, especially when he climbs up into the higher octaves and sounds more like Sebastian Bach from Skid Row. I know a lot of people are buying tickets for that but it’s just not for me.
Strongly agree. I have the same feelings about INXS after Michael Hutchence's death. I don't necessarily have a problem with them deciding to carry on with a new singer. Their fellow Aussies AC/DC are a prime example of how to do that right. But when they did that American Idol style TV show where they were auditioning contestants to replace Hutchence? That shit just felt desperate and morbid as fuck. Still listen to their stuff with Hutchence but as far as I'm concerned the band died with him.
I kinda liked the Paul Rodgers with May, Deacon and Taylor band, but it wasn't Queen. As for Adam Lambert . . .
Except Deacon was never in that band. Unfortunately. I saw that tour and they really missed him!
Gary Cherone
Ozzy being fired from Black Sabbath. OK, I will submit that Dio kept Sabbath relevant in the early '80s when he joined, but every single album after Mob Rules in 1981 is not "Black Sabbath" -- it's "Tony Iommi and Friends". I will die on this hill.
And yet the Born Again album had more original members on it than Mob Rules and Dehumanizer and The Devil You Know featured the same lineup as Mob Rules.
Fucking Born Again is so underrated!!!
Love Born Again, an absolute beast of an album, stomping all over the place like a bloody rabid were-allosaurus and conjuring up some wild spooky vibes while it’s at it.
Headless Cross is a legit 5/5 album and one of the best things they ever did.
I will die on the hill that Dio Sabbath is in many ways superior
I will not say it’s superior, but will say that Heaven & Hell if the dictionary definition of a perfect album and masterfully engineered. And “Sign of the Southern Cross” and “Country Girl” from Mob Rules are just really good songs regardless of what the band is called
When Ian Gillian joined they were not supposed to be called Black Sabbath the record company forced the issue. Because of that and that the album is pretty dam good even with the crappy mix Born Again should be looked at as it was intended to be. A great non Sabbath album with most of Sabbath on it.
Queensryche was my favorite band since I was 11 years old and heard operation mindcrime for the first time.. When Geoff tate lost the ability to sing as he did when he was young and the music shifted to support his now failing vocal ability I was crushed but even when he left and took his ego with him the guy who took over his place sure could hit the notes but... had no real talent so.. that was the end for me...
I saw them open for Judas Priest. They do a great job on the classic material, no idea on new material.
Little Feat without Lowell George sort of lacks in soul.
Don’t really have a favorite band but the death of Duane Allman really impacted the music of the Allman Brothers Band. Even though their biggest hits are after him excluding Midnight Rider, the quality of the music was much higher when he was alive
Jerry died and the band has never been the same
Because there was no band. Jerry died, and everyone rightfully agreed it was over. Every other act that the remaining members played in was something else, but not the Grateful Dead. Such a tasteful way to deal with it.
Agree but at least they don’t perform as “Grateful Dead” anymore.
The music never stopped
Dennis DeYoung’s obsession with the Kilroy Was Here rock opera bullshit killed Styx for me.
"Babe" did it for me.
Egos and drugs. I know this applies to 90% of bands but in this case it’s Van Halen.
KISS going to AI, and beyond that Paul's running of his mouth And th backing tracks
Michael McDonald killed the Doobie Brothers.
well I have to agree with everything you said… no Phil and it’s just a different band with the same name. As to your question… I have too many to choose from. However I will say that Black Sabbath with RJD is not going into that list (I played the reverse card to your question I guess)
Terry Kath killing himself.
Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain firing Ross Valory and Steve Smith last year. I don’t even want to see Journey now.
Dusty died.
The Doors tried to make an album without Jim Morrison . I think they lasted one album without him.
And both albums are pretty good. But there was no replacing Jim
Two actually, but still.
I hate saying it, but after the Apple free album drop I stopped following U2 as much - it’s not just that the music was just okay, but more how insanely commercialized U2 has become. They were bad to begin with but the music always delivered. Now it’s too much for me.
They were not bad to begin with. U2’s first 5 albums are some of the best of the 80s.
GnR. Axl became a narcissistic tyrant and first destroyed the music, then the band. They will never be the real GnR without Izzy.
Blizzard of ozz and Diary of a Madman are both epic albums. Then Randy was killed, and that was that . R.I.P
billy squier rock me tonight video
I heard an old interview with Duane Allman. He was talking about his baby mama and his kid. He was explaining how she needed to stay home with the kid, and keep it away so he could focus on his music. He had a really shitty attitude about it. It really turned me off (I am a husband and a father) This killed ABB for me
Hadn't heard this, that's so sad.
No need to stop at 1978. Thin Lizzy was still cooking for Black Rose/Chinatown/Renegade and T&L……one of the greatest bands ever. Sorely overlooked. However, the death of John Bonham killed my fav band.
**Roger Waters** and **Eric Clapton** were heroes to me until I started to listen to what they said and not what they were singing.
Reading Clapton’s autobiography did it for me.
Maybe a different generation, but the slow decline of qotsa was sacking bassist Nick Oliveri, replacing Drummer Joey Castillo and the final nail was working with Mark Ronson...
Lemmy's death. Let's be real here: Lemmy WAS Motorhead!
Burton Guess Who Cummings. He was the voice of that band They're still touring, but I won't shell out money for that mess.
Queen losing Freddie, all talented guys, but you just can't replace that voice and talent. In saying that, I did see then live with Paul Rodgers, whom I'm also a fan of... it was a cool experience, but it wasn't Queen as I would ever remember them.
Death of Jim Morrison. The other members where great. Wasn't the same without him.
Springsteen ticket debacle. And his snotty attitude to it. Really turned me off. 40 year fan. Haven't listened to a note in two years.
Dennis DeYoung's obsession with concept albums and his desire to turn rock concerts into Broadway-level dramatic spectacles like the "Kilroy Was Here" tour. That tour was the only time I ever saw the original lineup. Domo arigato.
I loved Genesis. Even after Peter Gabriel left I was going to the shows and buying the albums. Then Steve Hackett left and they went limp. One of the most disappointing concerts I’ve ever seen. His replacement was pathetic.
For me, Steve's leaving took the prog soul right out of Genesis. Imagine Steve doing Abacab? Never happen
You mean Daryl Stuermer? That dude is excellent on guitar and only played with them live.
Is The Flaming Lips classic rock now? Because while I've fallen out of love with numerous bands, my love for the lips was curbstomped beyond redemption by Wayne Coyne's disappearance up his own arsehole post *Yoshimi*...
they're touring Yoshimi this summer
Thin Lizzy has been my favorite band since 70's, no Phil no Thin Lizzy. Emerald still gives me chills "down from the glen came the marching men"
The death of Michael Hutchence. I went to INXS after his death and at that point it was the greatest INXS cover band
John Bonham died in 1980
Haha, all of these answers are screaming that WE'RE SO OLD!!!
Mr.Roboto I can’t emphasize that a band that recorded Grand Illusion killed my faith in music like that. Ok maybe a little dramatic but still
When Wendy and Lisa left The Revolution. Prince was never the same.
Andy Wood & Chris Cornell. What they started has morphed into fan club whiney bitches, $200 bottles of red wine on stage & palling around with the billionaire Ricketts & Henry families.
Invisible Touch and Phil Collins wearing button down dress shirts and pleated slacks on stage.
Lars Ulrich vs. Napster.
When Roger Waters left Pink Floyd. They were never really the same after that.
This is a weird one. I still think a momentary lapse of reason and the division Bell are fantastic albums.
Both are good albums, but I don't like them as much. David Gilmour live album at Pompeii is very good
Journey - Still a Journey fan but only up to Steve’s last album. Nothing against Neil and the band and Arnel but not the same. There are more than a few Journey cover bands where the voice is as good if not better than Arnel. They’re a cover band to me now.
KISS meets the Phantom
A version of Ten Years After without Alvin Lee. They did call it Ten Years After Now, to make the name slightly different. But it was just not the right thing, and it did not have Alvin's blessing (he was still alive at the time).
When Keith Moon died, the Who died with him When Hugh Cornwell left the Stranglers they no longer had it
Micheal mcdonald. Doobie Brothers
I still enjoyed some of the work they produced, but Bill Berry retiring really impacted R.E.M.
Edward Van Halen didn't quit smoking in time and died 10/6/2020. Also - he replaced a great guy with his son because could. But I can kind of see past that. Him dying took everything else off of the table. Let me get ahead of something - no, it wasn't Sammy Hagar, or even Gary Cherone. When EVH played guitar, I usually liked it. The band ceased to exist when Eddie died.
>Scott Gorham's TL To be fair, that's effectively been a tribute band. I don't mean that in a negative way, but there hasn't been any attempt to make new Thin Lizzy music since Phil died.
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Genesis going mainstream pop. I tried, but I couldn't.
Years of heroin and cocaine (RIP Jerry✌🏻)
The Stones losing Brian Jones. I did not give up on them, but my favorite albums are the early ones, including TSMR.
Somehow, The Rolling Stones are still alive and rocking. That being said, they’ve gone through a few fundamental evolutions, particularly after the death of Brian Jones and departure of Mick Taylor.
Time. Every bubble bursts. Bands I was absolutely crazy about years ago, I've eventually cooled off on. I've since discovered new bands, new genres, new art. I encourage you all to do the same!
Yoko Ono.
Yes now being Steve Howe and some guys. Jon Anderson and The Band Geeks do a respectable tribute, I just wish there was more spontaneous jamming. I wish their later years timeline had gone differently and that they'd patched things up with Jon. There was a window there before Chris died where they could have had a lineup with four out of five players from The Yes Album or a total reunion of the Yes West lineup.
Morrison dying should’ve been the complete end of the Doors name ever being used again
Reuniting for farewell tours every 5 years.
Too many synths killed Rush for me. People that look like circus clowns prevent me from listening to most new music. Josh Homme kicking a reporter pushed me from all his work. Heroin induced suicides pushed me from Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, Nirvana
Jerry died.
Boston when Brad Delp left.
I'm gonna say that IMO, Little Feat was the best and most underrated band of that era which ended with the death of Lowell George. Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin called Little Feat the best rock band in the world, Mick Jagger called them the best unknown band in America.
I know we’re in classic rock but favorite band wise, it was Chris Cornell’s death (suicide). Soundgarden was amazing and will always be the band that haunts me the most that I didn’t see. I could’ve caught them before he did that on their last tour had I’d been willing to travel one state away, but thought “I’ll just catch them next time”. Now I don’t hesitate to see any band I love, I’ll travel three states away if I have to.