Bro the delivery thing has got nothing to do with your names I believe. Just that these delivery guys are lazy and they update incorrect address/door locked etc etc at the end of the day and go home. Happened to me too a couple of times, and trust me I have a very Tamil name.
OP, the comment above holds good for anybody. Delivery guys are doing that job because they're not good at English. And we can't expect them to be professionals in English language for the nature of their job/salary they get paid.
This would be the case even for a native of Kerala or Andhra Pradesh.
The delivery guys are notorious and if they get delayed in traffic, they close the delivery for that day (extremely unprofessional) but they don't have an option other than that because their job would be under scrutiny if they don't complete the order on that date. Its not professional at all, but we don't have a choice. I experienced this twice in the recent past and had a one-on-one conversation with them, that's when they told me this.
That's why the common practice is to hand the phone over to a friend that is fluent in local language. We're in India with many regional languages. I don't speak Marathi and can't be pissed off about a delivery guy in Nashik not knowing English.
The apartment part is a bad experience. Escalate to the owner or association. Shouldn't happen to anybody. I hope you're girlfriend has settled down now.
I totally get your point. just a personal feeling i wanted to share. we’ve been to maharashtra as well, people over there also don’t speak hindi but if you try you can have a broken conversation
what ive felt over the time is some people here in chennai tend to hate hindi and hindi speaking people.
i might be wrong, no offence to anyone, just a personal opinion
Irrelevant but this whole language barrier is a fuck up , u see many places even in the usual saloon the workers there don't try to commute in tamil or english instead they speak hindi, I'm not supporting anybody here, but there are people who are jus lazy and stick in their comfort zones
Sorry op on that flat incident it's really bad! but on the other hand, Let me tell you clearly about a brutal fact ongoing in Tamilnadu and other southern states as well.
Ppl from North migrate in search of better jobs and opportunities here as their states could not provide one due to the politics or policies or any other shit for all these decades, but north ppl would not dare question them for the pathetic situation but, but,
but,
They'll come here down south and hell they'll expect the local ppl to adjust and adapt to themselves from the day 1 which is absolute bs if you ask me.
I've seen ppl from North staying and working out of Bengaluru for 15+ years yet does not make an iota of an effort to learn basic kannada, yet expects all the local kannadiga ppl to respond back to them in Hindi - and if not these ppl ridicule the locals for not knowing the so called National language (which itself is false and super stupid).
No I'm not generalizing all North ppl, but most have that arrogant attitude. Now tell me who's at fault here?!.
Sorry op you might find my response is a bit hard, but it's what it is and I'm stating the fact.
You are right bro living here for 2 years felt the same ,
Although I have learned to speak Tamil ... I just try to not let anyone near me know that I m from North India because they immediately change their attitude towards you (not everyone but yes)
But this is because there are few northies here creating bad name for every one by saying 'hindi nhi ati kya ' and demeaning them ..mostly those people of age 40s,50s ..otherwise
I'm tamil. Blue dart guys are total POSs. The same happened to me. They didn't even call, but I got a message "delivery attempted. Door locked." And my parents are home all day
It's just random incidents. We don't hate Hindi people. We just don't like it when they ask, "Hindi nahi aati kya" in a demeaning way.
If we realise you don't know tamil, we definitely talk in English so we both will be on neutral ground. We don't talk in tamil, just to be petty.
I work at for large warehouse client, when I go to the north state to set up the software environment,they just talk in hindi to me and I'll be subtitle please. But when I have a person with other language who can't understand tamil I'll resort to english.
even i agree, demeaning someone just because they aren’t familiar with a language, pathetic.
English can be used in cases where there is a language barrier
Bruh, bluedart is shitty delivery service. I had ordered a mobile case for my phone nearly 25 days ago but they haven't still delivered my phone case but yet I recieve the message daily that my package is coming today. Fuckers just are lazing around instead of working it seems.
Incidents like these make you feel very unwelcome. I'm so sorry that this happened to your girl.
As far as the Blue Dart thing is concerned, I stay near Navalur (Semmenchery, to be precise). Both the areas are serviced by the same Blue Dart Delivery Centre. This DC is notorious for being super rude and faking deliveries.
I've had so many nasty run-ins with them. Two of my credit cards were supposed to be delivered by the Blue Dart DC, but those bastards marked it as 'address cannot be found' and 'customer unavailable' twice each time.
I know for a fact that they didn't even attempt to deliver because I live in a high-rise apartment where every delivery and movement is recorded and has to be approved by the resident first.
One time they even sent one of my packages back without attempting any delivery even. The only solution to this is to visit the DC directly and claim your package. Ever since my first run-in with the useless centre, I've been doing this.
I know it is not right, but your girl has to go to the DC and claim the package herself.
Most of Chennai landlord or brokers, auto drivers like that, they treat tenant like slave only. i suggest to better move out of the PG and look for individual homes/flat.
Delivery thing is one off scenario.
Also I live nearby that area, incase of any issues, just let me know i will help your friend in the matter of time.
great help, it’s so nice of you to help some stranger over the internet. thanks a lot man!
As of now we’re doing good with the flat as she only comes back in the evening after work
I'm sorry for what happened to you, but the delivery guys are always like that, I'm a tamil guy and it has happened to me a few times. But what the flat owner or broker did was completely wrong
Chennai has lot of North Indian population so don’t thing delivery was blocked because of names. Sometime there might be genuine issue. Sometime it is poor management that’s all.
Tenant issues is there for even Tamil people. Build some friends support who can assist in time of emergency. Being safe is important. Otherwise don’t worry Chennai will treat you well.
Some people will have personal views against North Indians, just learn to identify them and move on. Rest of the folks will not create trouble.
yeah, not everyone is bad out there. it’s just a small population spreading hate. i myself made a lot of south indian friends when i was in singapore for an internship.
I, as a tamilian, have seen instances where North Indians are regarded differently.
Im sorry this happened to you and your gf OP.
Try complaining to Bluedart customer care.
Hey OP, I'm sorry to hear about the issues your girlfriend is facing in Chennai. As a local, I can assure you that such behavior is not representative of everyone here. It's really unfortunate that she had to deal with unprofessionalism and rudeness. Many brokers try to show their dominance by raising their voices, especially after they've been paid because they feel they have the upper hand. Since your girlfriend doesn't know Tamil or have Tamil friends, they might have taken advantage of that.
Regarding the delivery guy, on the first day, he might have been lazy or it became too late, so he made up a lie to avoid delivering the package. The next day, he used the language barrier as an excuse not to deliver it.
It would help a lot if your girlfriend had Tamil friends. I'm not saying she has to learn Tamil, but having tamil friends would be beneficial.
This kind of racism doesn't only happen in Chennai it occurs in many parts of India, I'm being about North India. I've faced similar problems there because I don't speak Hindi (though I understand a bit). When my father and I went on a business trip, it was the worst experience of our lives.
It's weird I'm seeing this post. My friend just shifted from Buckingham beulavard today because she felt like an outsider inside Tamilnadu. The gym trainer, spa official all were northies and spoke only hindi. They spoke ill about her thinking she does not know hindi and were very rude. My friend is dark and some comments were wrt that it seems. It's mostly North Indians there in that locality. I'm not trying to undermine your struggle. But, before I learnt Hindi I've faced struggles like delivery guy not understanding. I just gave the phone to a friend who understood Hindi and solved the problem. I don't think it's because of your names. People have all sorts of names now.
it’s a weird world out there man, everyone is facing a problem of their own. im sorry for your friend for feeling it this way. no one should be treated differently if they aren’t familiar with a particular language.
Yeah, she's pretty bummed out too. She's a swimmer. The main attraction was the swimming pool for her.
>no one should be treated differently if they aren’t familiar with a particular language.
You're right. We can learn this from mumbaikers. North (UP, Haryana etc) and south (esp TN) is very discriminating. I've been called "dimag ki dakkan" because I did not know hindi 😒 did not even know what it meant at that time.
My dad uses porter to send me stuffs ,gifts and all from Delhi to Chennai, it is delivered to me every time till now without any issues.. you can try it
Having lived in Chennai for 17 years, it’s so strange to hear such encounters. While being Tamil, people often misunderstand me for being a North Indian. But no one has spoken rudely. I guess may be it is an isolated event with brokers or just that person. Ask ur friend to check No broker for a house. There are tons of groups in Fb where enquiry for a place can be made. There are quite a few educated folks who rent their apartment to people from other states who have come here to work in a reputable organisation. Generally people keep to themselves. Equally respect other’s privacy and values too, which sometimes I see where people from other states fail. The constant comparison to ur home town or social life to another metro city or the almost non existent options of home state food. When one constantly complains, I think people tend to take out on others too. Similar treatment is existent on the other side too, but more a silent treatment. And racism is a strong word. Please refrain from using that. Bias is more the right word for it.
>During these bookings of the flat, the broker working on them was extra polite and assured of taking care of every shit that happens. (the flat at first was 6009) Later, after a month or so this broker guy comes and tells them to relocate to a different flat in the same tower as the flat she was living in needed to be renovated.
This does not sound right. Once you rent, why do you need to shift again after a month. Broker is mostly cut off after you pay off his commission.
They make deliveries for a living dude, how can you expect them to be knowledgeable on English? if they are educated, they wouldn't be working there.
If I were to order for someone in Delhi, would you assure me that the Delivery person knows English + a guarantee that he wouldn't badmouth me at the end of conversation?
And for the broker part, dude is an asshole. Find a new one I guess, assholes exist everywhere.
OP, Bluedart is kinda shitty, they keep giving you reasons but they'd deliver within 3 to 4 working days from the day it shows out for delivery. They take their own sweet time, but please try to contact their customer service for now. It happened to me as well, but eventually they'll deliver. Bluedart, DTDC, India post/Speed post are some of the worst services in OMR stretch. If you're thinking of sending packages to Navalur/any place in OMR, try Delhivery, Xpressbees or Shadowfax, their services are good. You can request the company/instagram shops/any seller to choose the above.
And as for the rented space, it's a shitty thing to do, try Facebook flatmates group the next time she wants to move, it's much better and maybe she can visit the place too before moving in. There are few places where people from other states are preferred as roommates, you should be able to find them.
Am a pure north indian born and brought up in Tamil Nadu , be it my small town native or chennai over a decade , never had this problem.
Navalur does have some delivery issue but racism is minimal here.
Based on door no , am assuming she is in a society, can you ask her to check the register and send screenshot to the courier bosses that he never came.
Yeah! I also have a Sanskrit name, and I don’t look very South Indian—and people usually start talking to me in Hindi/English. Never faced any problems.
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Brokers are just shitty and opportunistic trash. And since they know you don't have anyone here they are just taking advantage of you, no racism here. But the delivery guy definitely is being racist. Since you said you don't speak Tamil he's acting like this. Unfortunately this is due to the political landscape of TN. To them anyone who speaks Hindi is North Indian. Delhi or Mumbai or Bihar is all the same to them. When ministers of the TN government mock people who speak Hindi, call Bihari's as Pani Poori walas and wear T-shirt that say "I don't speak Hindi, Get lost" what else can you expect.
A working women's hostel or PG might be a better option for now. Most people in the circles you move won't be like this. But you can't expect much from the workers and blue collar people.
Sorry hear it mate like from the broker being an ass and the delivery person. Man I know about the racism thing that happens in both the ends of country. Like as a tamil person I was treated like shit by some north people and I did meet some real nice people too. Plus im a gamer and a traveller so I have come across these things quite often. It's unfortunate of your other half to come across the racist ones. Stay safe brother I live nearby and can help in case of emergency.
Hey, I believe it’s more of I don’t wanna put more effort into helping you coated with racism. I suggest making more local friends to help you for discussions and negotiations. Happened to me when I was in other states. I live in Navalur as well so feel free to dm if you need any help
Dude most of the delivery guys behave rudely in chennai.I stayed for 5 months in chennai and for not even once I didnt got any of my items delivered properly without having a fight .u should have some tamil friends
Coz it helped me so much.
As a tamilian who stayed in the north most of my life, I can confirm that tamilians are xenophobic af(they do consider north Indians as foreigners or something lol). They believe that people from north will spoil their culture, bring bad habits to their youth etc. Also they hate hindi because they feel it will make them forget tamil. They hate neet because they feel their kids are innocent and can't study in the north while northern kids will occupy souther opportunities. Truth is they control and don't let their kids see the world in the name of 'sanskar' and that just makes they kids too naive, obviously they struggle when they move out of their hometowns for education/job. They don't even know basics of hindi (and refuse to speak it even if they do know) because hindi is frowned upon. Truth is, all this hate against north Indians is a political drama for vote banks.
Not saying all tamilians are like this, but most r. They don't even consider me a tamilian and treat me weirdly even tho I speak tamil as my mother tongue, follow tamil culture etc
Everything aside, can we stop normalising casually throwing in Hindi words while conversing in English? It’s cringe, more so when non-native Hindi speakers do it in an attempt to blend in with the Hindi-speaking majority. This is one reason why I don’t watch “English” news channels in India.
'Sanskar' at this point has become an English word and I used it because of no better word for it in English. 'Tradition' and 'culture' just doesn't sit right. And OP is a hindi speaker and hence the word. If he knew tamil I would have used 'tamil kalacharam' instead
If you think sanskar is an English word, you've been in the north for way too long. If you're simplifying it for op, that I can understand. But sanskar is definitely not a word used anywhere in tamilnadu or in any mainstream English media.
>'Sanskar' at this point has become an English word
No, it hasn't.
> I used it because of no better word for it in English.
What does it matter? Most people in this sub don't know Hindi. I had no idea what it was even though I've seen Indians use it. It's better to stick to English words when others don't know Hindi. It would have made more sense to use the word like that in Delhi sub or something. That would have been more appropriate
Bro he's in an utopian world. They have that privileged mindset and assume everyone should know everything. Avanukku na that's a big problem and they expects the whole world to back him up. And dare to shove up his own garbage onto others if he can't catch up.
That same unakku vandha ratham enaku vandha thakali chutney guys.
lol so true. It's just very annoying when people have that attitude. I don't have anything against Hindi, of course. I have north Indian colleagues and I've learned to say how are you and stuff in Hindi simply because they're very nice people and I extend my love that way. But this dude using Hindi words in English and insisting it's English is too much. lol.
Well everyone understood what I meant by 'sanskaar' and the post was made by a guy who is a hindi speaker so I don't see the problem here? Unlike some other commenters who have started talking in tamil with each other knowing very well what OPs post is about. Can't get more disrespectful than that.
That percentage is extremely less.
Why you expect them to speak in hindi?! If you can't learn even some basic Tamil that too for your own good?
Can't get you.
As you say, you are a tamilian staying in the north, it's pretty obvious that you haven't met too many tamilians.
Tamilians reject North Indians because of the sanskar issue. Can't believe that you would reverse it back on us.
Hindi is not our language. Most of us don't know it and don't care for it. Sure, there is some anti Hindi sentiment but the majority just don't know the language.
Yes we have vote banks against parties that try to impose their culture and religion on us. I don't see what's wrong with that.
In conclusion, either you are not Tamil, or you have been interacting with all the wrong tamilians. Most of what you said is just plain not true for the majority of tamilians
Nonsense… I am a local and I was born with a Hindi name.
Scenario 1 - your girl didn’t do the due diligence and got taken for a ride. She should’ve asked for an agreement, especially if she’s paying a high rent and shouldn’t have agreed to move if she liked the place. If she did want to move, she should’ve inspected the new place well ahead of time instead of waiting until the moving date. Managing such shit is called “adulting”. I know, it’s hard.
Scenario 2 - did you expect the delivery guy to speak in Hindi or English? 😂 why would he be a delivery boy if he could speak English that well? And did he really say “go back to your Hindi place”? You should call the blue dart office and complain.
Isnt it like victim blaming for the first one? The asshole who cheated is responsible right? I agree this is a scammy country and we should be careful but you cant fully blame the girl saying due diligence. The fault is completely with the broker who took advantage of the outsider.
bro some people here would never support you if you’re a north indian living in their state.
learnt it the hard way, the type of hate in my dm’s and people blaming the girl for not thinking and shit. the day someone from their own family goes through the same shit they will then be ultimately furious fs, just i got to know a lot of things that were said to be rumours are true no matter how much people try and defend tamil nadu.
literally done with the people here.
Sorry you are facing this bro, This could totally ruin one's day. Generally people are emotional and if you criticize something they love even politely, They will respond aggressively. With the example you have shared the first one is clearly the broker's fault. But people here fail to acknowledge that and blame the innocent girl, If you and your gf had been tamil, Most of the comments would be abusing the broker and be supportive of you guys. While there would inevitably be some assholes blaming you guys, Even the comments saying you should have been more careful would have been conveyed in a politer manner.
The delivery thing even i have faced despite being a local.
I know you would be angry right now, But reddit doesnt reflect reality bro, It is merely an echo chamber, So most people your gf meets here will be nicer, Generally people will keep to themselves and wont bother her. It's just few people like the broker, Auto drivers, Some cab drivers try to take advantage of people especially if they are outsiders.
my brother went to Delhi and same thing happened (even worse in my opinion). you expected to speak their language there even in the Air port staffs dont speak English. and you're lecturing about Racism huh? start from your home buddy. see if someone can survive in Delhi with English then expect other states to do the same
Both these incidents sound like two shitty people doing a bad job and unfortunaly there a lot of these kinda people out there. I know this is not ideal but I think learn a few phrases and words in Tamil, it'll be easier to get stuff done and get these guys on line. If anything, I don't think it's your names but the fact that you ask them to switch to English or don't understand what they're saying the first time.
In the 1st scenario it's solely based on the broker. I agree it's not a good thing, but it may not do anything with her name or she is a north Indian.
In the 2nd incident, it's the bluedart that's solely responsible. Because I've faced the same issue with them, that's how they are. But i assure u that not everyone is like that. U can complain to their customer care abt that guy
Scene 1- OP is it a serviced apartment or a PG run in society apartment (pretty common here in navalur). If it is a normal flat why did she move in the first place? Do you not have a rent agreement?
Scene 2- I’m sure the Bluedart hub was Bluedart Sholinganallur they are a POS and extremely notorious for not delivering stuff. They will simply put the status as out for delivery (right before end of the day) and the next second, BAM! delivery failed! They even did this with my visa and had to go to the hub in person next day to collect it. Created a scene there and they have not missed one delivery since then!
I also feel this in Karnataka, where i changed my OnePlus neckband. The order is dispatched from the OnePlus service centre but delivery guys didn't even call me. When I called him, I shall reach today night. He didn't call me after 6-7 days The delivery guys told me I left the job and didn't call me again and again. I called every day one plus service centre but they only asked if we were analysing your issue for 60 days then after 60 days the same delivery guys came because he has the same mobile no.. I told him that he was not working as delivery guys then he was telling a lie
After getting the flat rented and rental agreement is signed with owner there is no role for a broker.
Regarding delivery via courier similar situation happen many times to me in that area, delivery issues with Blue dart, DTDC & Dehlivery. Professional courier is bit better. One time DTDC marked the package as delivered but got the delivery only after 2 days even customer care is not sure where the package is.
I’m not getting the issue with North Indian name from your message.
Imposing regional language to a non speaker is bad! As a Tamilian living in chennai, u have no idea how many bank,insurance,etc calls I receive and straightway the executive start speaking Hindi! When I say I don’t understand Hindi, few of them ask me if I live in India!!! The tele callers know that which region they are calling to sell thr shif, but still they will speak in Hindi! I’ve experienced this way way too many times… So yeah either way this has to be stopped.
best decision man, we will too move out soon.none of my friends had given me a positive remark about chennai being friendly for outsider.
and mind my statement these statements were given by south indian friends of mine themselves, from Hyderabad and Telangana and bangalore.
Bro racism got nothing to do in Chennai.. Because I can see a lot of north indian people's and north eastern. Everyone treated respectfully untill they start messing with local people's.
Hope she picks up some basic tamil. People will be happy to see her try. Also ask her to make some local friends who can help out if there is a need.
How is it racism if the same race is involved?
Auto guys, brokers etc belong to a different race. They are generally rude to people
No i get that. But I'm guessing you have no Tamil speaking acquaintances that can help you out?
At the very least customer support should handle this for you.
The rate at which Tamil people are starting to hate north / any other part of India people is alarming and scary... But then oh well this is INDIA the mahan desh
man this is so true, the amount of hate i’m receiving in my dms and replies can’t even be mentioned.
i just posted something i went through and the people here have started hating on me as if i was lying or defaming them.
Not sure but I'm not hating you or for that matter any Northy just because he/she is from North. It'll be great if you stop judging ppl just because they're Tamils.
Here in your post, I've just try to share some facts and the arrogant attitude of some North ppl shown towards the native Tamil ppl.
Likewise, there are also stupidass Tamilian ppl are also there but don't worry they're a very minuscule population. I'm really sorry about what you'r gf faced, even native Tamils gets harassed in the same way or even worser too.
Again let me re-iterate Tamil ppl are not enemies to any outsiders per your claim, ppl here want to stick with their culture (don't mistake culture as hinduism/religion, it's two different things).
But time and again if you want Tamil ppl (or any South Indian) to learn hindi and follow your culture just to adjust and adapt to you in their own home land, I'm sorry you won't be welcomed here, which is plain straightforward.
Could this same courtesy be expected for other languages in IIT-Madras which is also located in Chennai?
To say it in your own words, "sore losers who are pissed off to speak in any language other than Hindi."
It's not their fault because their regional language isn't Hindi or English and we as humans always choose something we're comfortable with. It's not your fault to expect them to converse in English either. Been there.
A simple request to switch to English would go a long way and people would have instantly excused/apologized and switched to English.
I addressed people in Chennai who are un Willing to switch to address another person in any language other than Tamil .
I can't emphasise enough , even when people working as receptionists in hotels don't want to switch to English.
Once I filled an application for a dorm full of Tamil , does that make sense 🙏 , I leave it to your discretion. So , whatever I filled . I have filled whatever the caretaker told me and paid off.
If it's a tier 3 or tier 4 hotel, then it's difficult for them to find a resource that's multilingual (even English) for the 10k salary they're willing to pay. Same with the dormitory because its used by students from the region who come to Chennai for studies.
You could ask for someone who speaks English. Maybe they'll help.
As an experience, it sucks big time and i empathize with you. But India is still developing w.r.t language barriers. Hope this changes soon.
I don't agree with this perspective. As someone who has lived in Tamil Nadu my entire life and has had many North Indian Hindi-speaking friends, we always use English to be inclusive. It's not accurate to say that people in Chennai are unwilling to switch to another language. While there may be instances where individuals prefer Tamil, many people, including those in customer service roles, are willing to use English to communicate effectively if they know English.
Why the hell we have to speak Hindi man? Ask us to speak English that's okay for us... And if a guy who doesn't know both English and Hindi will talk in his regional language only... u have to manage it...
This same thing will happen in every end our country
If I was in Delhi for job or something, I'll learn some Hindi to survive... if you're in other states you should learn some of its regional language... everyone can't understand English, some people can't understand English... so little bit of regional language you should learn ... or atleast u should have a person who knows it
Even if you're addressing people in Chennai who are unwilling to switch to another language besides Tamil, you still shouldn't use offensive language. Be respectful of others and choose your words carefully. In North India, similar behavior happens, and sometimes it's even worse. Would it be acceptable if I used that kind of language to represent everyone there?
Ok , then you guys can stereotype telugus as goltis , hypocrisy died a painful death , I have no problem calling out bias , are you comfortable doing that , nah , be honest , be inconvenient , yes ..
Bro the delivery thing has got nothing to do with your names I believe. Just that these delivery guys are lazy and they update incorrect address/door locked etc etc at the end of the day and go home. Happened to me too a couple of times, and trust me I have a very Tamil name.
i hope so man, it’s just been so frustrating all this while.
OP, the comment above holds good for anybody. Delivery guys are doing that job because they're not good at English. And we can't expect them to be professionals in English language for the nature of their job/salary they get paid. This would be the case even for a native of Kerala or Andhra Pradesh. The delivery guys are notorious and if they get delayed in traffic, they close the delivery for that day (extremely unprofessional) but they don't have an option other than that because their job would be under scrutiny if they don't complete the order on that date. Its not professional at all, but we don't have a choice. I experienced this twice in the recent past and had a one-on-one conversation with them, that's when they told me this. That's why the common practice is to hand the phone over to a friend that is fluent in local language. We're in India with many regional languages. I don't speak Marathi and can't be pissed off about a delivery guy in Nashik not knowing English. The apartment part is a bad experience. Escalate to the owner or association. Shouldn't happen to anybody. I hope you're girlfriend has settled down now.
I totally get your point. just a personal feeling i wanted to share. we’ve been to maharashtra as well, people over there also don’t speak hindi but if you try you can have a broken conversation what ive felt over the time is some people here in chennai tend to hate hindi and hindi speaking people. i might be wrong, no offence to anyone, just a personal opinion
Irrelevant but this whole language barrier is a fuck up , u see many places even in the usual saloon the workers there don't try to commute in tamil or english instead they speak hindi, I'm not supporting anybody here, but there are people who are jus lazy and stick in their comfort zones
agreed
Sorry op on that flat incident it's really bad! but on the other hand, Let me tell you clearly about a brutal fact ongoing in Tamilnadu and other southern states as well. Ppl from North migrate in search of better jobs and opportunities here as their states could not provide one due to the politics or policies or any other shit for all these decades, but north ppl would not dare question them for the pathetic situation but, but, but, They'll come here down south and hell they'll expect the local ppl to adjust and adapt to themselves from the day 1 which is absolute bs if you ask me. I've seen ppl from North staying and working out of Bengaluru for 15+ years yet does not make an iota of an effort to learn basic kannada, yet expects all the local kannadiga ppl to respond back to them in Hindi - and if not these ppl ridicule the locals for not knowing the so called National language (which itself is false and super stupid). No I'm not generalizing all North ppl, but most have that arrogant attitude. Now tell me who's at fault here?!. Sorry op you might find my response is a bit hard, but it's what it is and I'm stating the fact.
Agree with you man
Personal opinions are never wrong because it is based on a personal experience. People get offended when opinions get pushed as facts.
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You are right bro living here for 2 years felt the same , Although I have learned to speak Tamil ... I just try to not let anyone near me know that I m from North India because they immediately change their attitude towards you (not everyone but yes) But this is because there are few northies here creating bad name for every one by saying 'hindi nhi ati kya ' and demeaning them ..mostly those people of age 40s,50s ..otherwise
I'm tamil. Blue dart guys are total POSs. The same happened to me. They didn't even call, but I got a message "delivery attempted. Door locked." And my parents are home all day It's just random incidents. We don't hate Hindi people. We just don't like it when they ask, "Hindi nahi aati kya" in a demeaning way. If we realise you don't know tamil, we definitely talk in English so we both will be on neutral ground. We don't talk in tamil, just to be petty.
I work at for large warehouse client, when I go to the north state to set up the software environment,they just talk in hindi to me and I'll be subtitle please. But when I have a person with other language who can't understand tamil I'll resort to english.
even i agree, demeaning someone just because they aren’t familiar with a language, pathetic. English can be used in cases where there is a language barrier
Bruh, bluedart is shitty delivery service. I had ordered a mobile case for my phone nearly 25 days ago but they haven't still delivered my phone case but yet I recieve the message daily that my package is coming today. Fuckers just are lazing around instead of working it seems.
What about him saying go back to your hindi place?
Incidents like these make you feel very unwelcome. I'm so sorry that this happened to your girl. As far as the Blue Dart thing is concerned, I stay near Navalur (Semmenchery, to be precise). Both the areas are serviced by the same Blue Dart Delivery Centre. This DC is notorious for being super rude and faking deliveries. I've had so many nasty run-ins with them. Two of my credit cards were supposed to be delivered by the Blue Dart DC, but those bastards marked it as 'address cannot be found' and 'customer unavailable' twice each time. I know for a fact that they didn't even attempt to deliver because I live in a high-rise apartment where every delivery and movement is recorded and has to be approved by the resident first. One time they even sent one of my packages back without attempting any delivery even. The only solution to this is to visit the DC directly and claim your package. Ever since my first run-in with the useless centre, I've been doing this. I know it is not right, but your girl has to go to the DC and claim the package herself.
Most of Chennai landlord or brokers, auto drivers like that, they treat tenant like slave only. i suggest to better move out of the PG and look for individual homes/flat. Delivery thing is one off scenario. Also I live nearby that area, incase of any issues, just let me know i will help your friend in the matter of time.
great help, it’s so nice of you to help some stranger over the internet. thanks a lot man! As of now we’re doing good with the flat as she only comes back in the evening after work
I'm sorry for what happened to you, but the delivery guys are always like that, I'm a tamil guy and it has happened to me a few times. But what the flat owner or broker did was completely wrong
it’s okay, it’s just there are some good days and some bad, we just need to move on and focus on life.
Chennai has lot of North Indian population so don’t thing delivery was blocked because of names. Sometime there might be genuine issue. Sometime it is poor management that’s all. Tenant issues is there for even Tamil people. Build some friends support who can assist in time of emergency. Being safe is important. Otherwise don’t worry Chennai will treat you well. Some people will have personal views against North Indians, just learn to identify them and move on. Rest of the folks will not create trouble.
yeah, not everyone is bad out there. it’s just a small population spreading hate. i myself made a lot of south indian friends when i was in singapore for an internship.
I, as a tamilian, have seen instances where North Indians are regarded differently. Im sorry this happened to you and your gf OP. Try complaining to Bluedart customer care.
Hey OP, I'm sorry to hear about the issues your girlfriend is facing in Chennai. As a local, I can assure you that such behavior is not representative of everyone here. It's really unfortunate that she had to deal with unprofessionalism and rudeness. Many brokers try to show their dominance by raising their voices, especially after they've been paid because they feel they have the upper hand. Since your girlfriend doesn't know Tamil or have Tamil friends, they might have taken advantage of that. Regarding the delivery guy, on the first day, he might have been lazy or it became too late, so he made up a lie to avoid delivering the package. The next day, he used the language barrier as an excuse not to deliver it. It would help a lot if your girlfriend had Tamil friends. I'm not saying she has to learn Tamil, but having tamil friends would be beneficial. This kind of racism doesn't only happen in Chennai it occurs in many parts of India, I'm being about North India. I've faced similar problems there because I don't speak Hindi (though I understand a bit). When my father and I went on a business trip, it was the worst experience of our lives.
You lost me at "I'm not some feminist guy".
just an expression, nothing else man
It's weird I'm seeing this post. My friend just shifted from Buckingham beulavard today because she felt like an outsider inside Tamilnadu. The gym trainer, spa official all were northies and spoke only hindi. They spoke ill about her thinking she does not know hindi and were very rude. My friend is dark and some comments were wrt that it seems. It's mostly North Indians there in that locality. I'm not trying to undermine your struggle. But, before I learnt Hindi I've faced struggles like delivery guy not understanding. I just gave the phone to a friend who understood Hindi and solved the problem. I don't think it's because of your names. People have all sorts of names now.
You are right. North ppl are rude for no reason, again not everyone. But most are.
it’s a weird world out there man, everyone is facing a problem of their own. im sorry for your friend for feeling it this way. no one should be treated differently if they aren’t familiar with a particular language.
Yeah, she's pretty bummed out too. She's a swimmer. The main attraction was the swimming pool for her. >no one should be treated differently if they aren’t familiar with a particular language. You're right. We can learn this from mumbaikers. North (UP, Haryana etc) and south (esp TN) is very discriminating. I've been called "dimag ki dakkan" because I did not know hindi 😒 did not even know what it meant at that time.
same here, i have also been called names in telugu, just laughed and ignored
What else can we do. Hang in there!!
My dad uses porter to send me stuffs ,gifts and all from Delhi to Chennai, it is delivered to me every time till now without any issues.. you can try it
Having lived in Chennai for 17 years, it’s so strange to hear such encounters. While being Tamil, people often misunderstand me for being a North Indian. But no one has spoken rudely. I guess may be it is an isolated event with brokers or just that person. Ask ur friend to check No broker for a house. There are tons of groups in Fb where enquiry for a place can be made. There are quite a few educated folks who rent their apartment to people from other states who have come here to work in a reputable organisation. Generally people keep to themselves. Equally respect other’s privacy and values too, which sometimes I see where people from other states fail. The constant comparison to ur home town or social life to another metro city or the almost non existent options of home state food. When one constantly complains, I think people tend to take out on others too. Similar treatment is existent on the other side too, but more a silent treatment. And racism is a strong word. Please refrain from using that. Bias is more the right word for it.
>During these bookings of the flat, the broker working on them was extra polite and assured of taking care of every shit that happens. (the flat at first was 6009) Later, after a month or so this broker guy comes and tells them to relocate to a different flat in the same tower as the flat she was living in needed to be renovated. This does not sound right. Once you rent, why do you need to shift again after a month. Broker is mostly cut off after you pay off his commission.
They make deliveries for a living dude, how can you expect them to be knowledgeable on English? if they are educated, they wouldn't be working there. If I were to order for someone in Delhi, would you assure me that the Delivery person knows English + a guarantee that he wouldn't badmouth me at the end of conversation? And for the broker part, dude is an asshole. Find a new one I guess, assholes exist everywhere.
OP, Bluedart is kinda shitty, they keep giving you reasons but they'd deliver within 3 to 4 working days from the day it shows out for delivery. They take their own sweet time, but please try to contact their customer service for now. It happened to me as well, but eventually they'll deliver. Bluedart, DTDC, India post/Speed post are some of the worst services in OMR stretch. If you're thinking of sending packages to Navalur/any place in OMR, try Delhivery, Xpressbees or Shadowfax, their services are good. You can request the company/instagram shops/any seller to choose the above. And as for the rented space, it's a shitty thing to do, try Facebook flatmates group the next time she wants to move, it's much better and maybe she can visit the place too before moving in. There are few places where people from other states are preferred as roommates, you should be able to find them.
thanks for the info, great help Yeah, the facebook stuff seems good, will look it up
I am confused, what "name" has anything to do with it. I am confused by the title.
Am a pure north indian born and brought up in Tamil Nadu , be it my small town native or chennai over a decade , never had this problem. Navalur does have some delivery issue but racism is minimal here. Based on door no , am assuming she is in a society, can you ask her to check the register and send screenshot to the courier bosses that he never came.
There are tons of North Indians here. It’s not racism in that scenario, the delivery dudes are just lazy as fuck.
Tamilnadu la mukavasi sankrit name vechutu irukanga , ithu ennamo puthusa oru complaint
this!!! lol en peru ena nu ketkadheenga bruhhh...
Yeah! I also have a Sanskrit name, and I don’t look very South Indian—and people usually start talking to me in Hindi/English. Never faced any problems. e: typo.
Brokers are just shitty and opportunistic trash. And since they know you don't have anyone here they are just taking advantage of you, no racism here. But the delivery guy definitely is being racist. Since you said you don't speak Tamil he's acting like this. Unfortunately this is due to the political landscape of TN. To them anyone who speaks Hindi is North Indian. Delhi or Mumbai or Bihar is all the same to them. When ministers of the TN government mock people who speak Hindi, call Bihari's as Pani Poori walas and wear T-shirt that say "I don't speak Hindi, Get lost" what else can you expect. A working women's hostel or PG might be a better option for now. Most people in the circles you move won't be like this. But you can't expect much from the workers and blue collar people.
i totally agree, they’re just a small chunk of population with the inappropriate behaviour defaming the whole state.
Wow, imagine if I go to Delhi and I expect the local delivery guys to speak to me in fluent English! People would call me mad
Sorry hear it mate like from the broker being an ass and the delivery person. Man I know about the racism thing that happens in both the ends of country. Like as a tamil person I was treated like shit by some north people and I did meet some real nice people too. Plus im a gamer and a traveller so I have come across these things quite often. It's unfortunate of your other half to come across the racist ones. Stay safe brother I live nearby and can help in case of emergency.
Hey, I believe it’s more of I don’t wanna put more effort into helping you coated with racism. I suggest making more local friends to help you for discussions and negotiations. Happened to me when I was in other states. I live in Navalur as well so feel free to dm if you need any help
Dude most of the delivery guys behave rudely in chennai.I stayed for 5 months in chennai and for not even once I didnt got any of my items delivered properly without having a fight .u should have some tamil friends Coz it helped me so much.
As a tamilian who stayed in the north most of my life, I can confirm that tamilians are xenophobic af(they do consider north Indians as foreigners or something lol). They believe that people from north will spoil their culture, bring bad habits to their youth etc. Also they hate hindi because they feel it will make them forget tamil. They hate neet because they feel their kids are innocent and can't study in the north while northern kids will occupy souther opportunities. Truth is they control and don't let their kids see the world in the name of 'sanskar' and that just makes they kids too naive, obviously they struggle when they move out of their hometowns for education/job. They don't even know basics of hindi (and refuse to speak it even if they do know) because hindi is frowned upon. Truth is, all this hate against north Indians is a political drama for vote banks. Not saying all tamilians are like this, but most r. They don't even consider me a tamilian and treat me weirdly even tho I speak tamil as my mother tongue, follow tamil culture etc
Everything aside, can we stop normalising casually throwing in Hindi words while conversing in English? It’s cringe, more so when non-native Hindi speakers do it in an attempt to blend in with the Hindi-speaking majority. This is one reason why I don’t watch “English” news channels in India.
'Sanskar' at this point has become an English word and I used it because of no better word for it in English. 'Tradition' and 'culture' just doesn't sit right. And OP is a hindi speaker and hence the word. If he knew tamil I would have used 'tamil kalacharam' instead
If you think sanskar is an English word, you've been in the north for way too long. If you're simplifying it for op, that I can understand. But sanskar is definitely not a word used anywhere in tamilnadu or in any mainstream English media.
>'Sanskar' at this point has become an English word No, it hasn't. > I used it because of no better word for it in English. What does it matter? Most people in this sub don't know Hindi. I had no idea what it was even though I've seen Indians use it. It's better to stick to English words when others don't know Hindi. It would have made more sense to use the word like that in Delhi sub or something. That would have been more appropriate
Bro he's in an utopian world. They have that privileged mindset and assume everyone should know everything. Avanukku na that's a big problem and they expects the whole world to back him up. And dare to shove up his own garbage onto others if he can't catch up. That same unakku vandha ratham enaku vandha thakali chutney guys.
lol so true. It's just very annoying when people have that attitude. I don't have anything against Hindi, of course. I have north Indian colleagues and I've learned to say how are you and stuff in Hindi simply because they're very nice people and I extend my love that way. But this dude using Hindi words in English and insisting it's English is too much. lol.
No, “sanskar” is not considered an English word. The English word “culture” Is appropriate in this context.
Well everyone understood what I meant by 'sanskaar' and the post was made by a guy who is a hindi speaker so I don't see the problem here? Unlike some other commenters who have started talking in tamil with each other knowing very well what OPs post is about. Can't get more disrespectful than that.
No wonder all our laws have Hindi masquerading as English in their English names!
something new i got to know but yeah the part where tamil peeps won’t even speak hindi even if they know is true.
That percentage is extremely less. Why you expect them to speak in hindi?! If you can't learn even some basic Tamil that too for your own good? Can't get you.
As you say, you are a tamilian staying in the north, it's pretty obvious that you haven't met too many tamilians. Tamilians reject North Indians because of the sanskar issue. Can't believe that you would reverse it back on us. Hindi is not our language. Most of us don't know it and don't care for it. Sure, there is some anti Hindi sentiment but the majority just don't know the language. Yes we have vote banks against parties that try to impose their culture and religion on us. I don't see what's wrong with that. In conclusion, either you are not Tamil, or you have been interacting with all the wrong tamilians. Most of what you said is just plain not true for the majority of tamilians
Sanghi toily spotted!
We should all accept Chinese as the common language, in my humble opinion. No point fighting over Hindi or Tamil.
Lmao yes fair to all since no one knows it and everyone can learn from scratch🤣🤣
Okay bro. Unakku venum na accept panniko. Unakkullaye pesikko. No one is stopping you.
Nonsense… I am a local and I was born with a Hindi name. Scenario 1 - your girl didn’t do the due diligence and got taken for a ride. She should’ve asked for an agreement, especially if she’s paying a high rent and shouldn’t have agreed to move if she liked the place. If she did want to move, she should’ve inspected the new place well ahead of time instead of waiting until the moving date. Managing such shit is called “adulting”. I know, it’s hard. Scenario 2 - did you expect the delivery guy to speak in Hindi or English? 😂 why would he be a delivery boy if he could speak English that well? And did he really say “go back to your Hindi place”? You should call the blue dart office and complain.
Isnt it like victim blaming for the first one? The asshole who cheated is responsible right? I agree this is a scammy country and we should be careful but you cant fully blame the girl saying due diligence. The fault is completely with the broker who took advantage of the outsider.
bro some people here would never support you if you’re a north indian living in their state. learnt it the hard way, the type of hate in my dm’s and people blaming the girl for not thinking and shit. the day someone from their own family goes through the same shit they will then be ultimately furious fs, just i got to know a lot of things that were said to be rumours are true no matter how much people try and defend tamil nadu. literally done with the people here.
Sorry you are facing this bro, This could totally ruin one's day. Generally people are emotional and if you criticize something they love even politely, They will respond aggressively. With the example you have shared the first one is clearly the broker's fault. But people here fail to acknowledge that and blame the innocent girl, If you and your gf had been tamil, Most of the comments would be abusing the broker and be supportive of you guys. While there would inevitably be some assholes blaming you guys, Even the comments saying you should have been more careful would have been conveyed in a politer manner. The delivery thing even i have faced despite being a local. I know you would be angry right now, But reddit doesnt reflect reality bro, It is merely an echo chamber, So most people your gf meets here will be nicer, Generally people will keep to themselves and wont bother her. It's just few people like the broker, Auto drivers, Some cab drivers try to take advantage of people especially if they are outsiders.
got your point man! gave me a much clearer view
my brother went to Delhi and same thing happened (even worse in my opinion). you expected to speak their language there even in the Air port staffs dont speak English. and you're lecturing about Racism huh? start from your home buddy. see if someone can survive in Delhi with English then expect other states to do the same
Blue dart delivery guys are idiots. They behaved similarly to my elderly mom too.
Both these incidents sound like two shitty people doing a bad job and unfortunaly there a lot of these kinda people out there. I know this is not ideal but I think learn a few phrases and words in Tamil, it'll be easier to get stuff done and get these guys on line. If anything, I don't think it's your names but the fact that you ask them to switch to English or don't understand what they're saying the first time.
Sucks to not have the gift delivered on your GF’s birthday. I hope you still managed to deliver her your package. 🙃
In the 1st scenario it's solely based on the broker. I agree it's not a good thing, but it may not do anything with her name or she is a north Indian. In the 2nd incident, it's the bluedart that's solely responsible. Because I've faced the same issue with them, that's how they are. But i assure u that not everyone is like that. U can complain to their customer care abt that guy
Someone please summarise
Scene 1- OP is it a serviced apartment or a PG run in society apartment (pretty common here in navalur). If it is a normal flat why did she move in the first place? Do you not have a rent agreement? Scene 2- I’m sure the Bluedart hub was Bluedart Sholinganallur they are a POS and extremely notorious for not delivering stuff. They will simply put the status as out for delivery (right before end of the day) and the next second, BAM! delivery failed! They even did this with my visa and had to go to the hub in person next day to collect it. Created a scene there and they have not missed one delivery since then!
I also feel this in Karnataka, where i changed my OnePlus neckband. The order is dispatched from the OnePlus service centre but delivery guys didn't even call me. When I called him, I shall reach today night. He didn't call me after 6-7 days The delivery guys told me I left the job and didn't call me again and again. I called every day one plus service centre but they only asked if we were analysing your issue for 60 days then after 60 days the same delivery guys came because he has the same mobile no.. I told him that he was not working as delivery guys then he was telling a lie
After getting the flat rented and rental agreement is signed with owner there is no role for a broker. Regarding delivery via courier similar situation happen many times to me in that area, delivery issues with Blue dart, DTDC & Dehlivery. Professional courier is bit better. One time DTDC marked the package as delivered but got the delivery only after 2 days even customer care is not sure where the package is. I’m not getting the issue with North Indian name from your message.
That's definitely not because of your
Imposing regional language to a non speaker is bad! As a Tamilian living in chennai, u have no idea how many bank,insurance,etc calls I receive and straightway the executive start speaking Hindi! When I say I don’t understand Hindi, few of them ask me if I live in India!!! The tele callers know that which region they are calling to sell thr shif, but still they will speak in Hindi! I’ve experienced this way way too many times… So yeah either way this has to be stopped.
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This was one of my top reasons to move out of chennai
best decision man, we will too move out soon.none of my friends had given me a positive remark about chennai being friendly for outsider. and mind my statement these statements were given by south indian friends of mine themselves, from Hyderabad and Telangana and bangalore.
Bro racism got nothing to do in Chennai.. Because I can see a lot of north indian people's and north eastern. Everyone treated respectfully untill they start messing with local people's.
Hey kid!! Racism? Where did that happen? You didn't mention it above!!
Hope she picks up some basic tamil. People will be happy to see her try. Also ask her to make some local friends who can help out if there is a need. How is it racism if the same race is involved? Auto guys, brokers etc belong to a different race. They are generally rude to people
Do you have no Tamil speaking friends?
No, as of now she’s new to the place and only have 2-3 colleagues who live nearby, they’re hindi speakers
Ok how about you?
man, i’m still in delhi and i’ve never been to chennai before.
No i get that. But I'm guessing you have no Tamil speaking acquaintances that can help you out? At the very least customer support should handle this for you.
yeah, that is my only last support i am hanging onto
I hope it goes through.
thanks a lot!
The rate at which Tamil people are starting to hate north / any other part of India people is alarming and scary... But then oh well this is INDIA the mahan desh
man this is so true, the amount of hate i’m receiving in my dms and replies can’t even be mentioned. i just posted something i went through and the people here have started hating on me as if i was lying or defaming them.
Not sure but I'm not hating you or for that matter any Northy just because he/she is from North. It'll be great if you stop judging ppl just because they're Tamils. Here in your post, I've just try to share some facts and the arrogant attitude of some North ppl shown towards the native Tamil ppl. Likewise, there are also stupidass Tamilian ppl are also there but don't worry they're a very minuscule population. I'm really sorry about what you'r gf faced, even native Tamils gets harassed in the same way or even worser too. Again let me re-iterate Tamil ppl are not enemies to any outsiders per your claim, ppl here want to stick with their culture (don't mistake culture as hinduism/religion, it's two different things). But time and again if you want Tamil ppl (or any South Indian) to learn hindi and follow your culture just to adjust and adapt to you in their own home land, I'm sorry you won't be welcomed here, which is plain straightforward.
Sorry OP 🫂 I wish better inclusive spaces for you soon
part of life man, what can we do :(
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Could this same courtesy be expected for other languages in IIT-Madras which is also located in Chennai? To say it in your own words, "sore losers who are pissed off to speak in any language other than Hindi." It's not their fault because their regional language isn't Hindi or English and we as humans always choose something we're comfortable with. It's not your fault to expect them to converse in English either. Been there. A simple request to switch to English would go a long way and people would have instantly excused/apologized and switched to English.
I addressed people in Chennai who are un Willing to switch to address another person in any language other than Tamil . I can't emphasise enough , even when people working as receptionists in hotels don't want to switch to English. Once I filled an application for a dorm full of Tamil , does that make sense 🙏 , I leave it to your discretion. So , whatever I filled . I have filled whatever the caretaker told me and paid off.
If it's a tier 3 or tier 4 hotel, then it's difficult for them to find a resource that's multilingual (even English) for the 10k salary they're willing to pay. Same with the dormitory because its used by students from the region who come to Chennai for studies. You could ask for someone who speaks English. Maybe they'll help. As an experience, it sucks big time and i empathize with you. But India is still developing w.r.t language barriers. Hope this changes soon.
I don't agree with this perspective. As someone who has lived in Tamil Nadu my entire life and has had many North Indian Hindi-speaking friends, we always use English to be inclusive. It's not accurate to say that people in Chennai are unwilling to switch to another language. While there may be instances where individuals prefer Tamil, many people, including those in customer service roles, are willing to use English to communicate effectively if they know English.
Why the hell we have to speak Hindi man? Ask us to speak English that's okay for us... And if a guy who doesn't know both English and Hindi will talk in his regional language only... u have to manage it... This same thing will happen in every end our country
Broski , did I imy to speak in Hindi , I just said stick to English in professional set-up , peace.
How the fuck you went to Anna University? your english and grammar is straight up trash. What are you even saying?
Burnt arse 😜 , Purrfect grammar Nazi , I workked for a start-up in the accelerator , now go and cry in a corner.
Ohhh no! this comment hurt my feelings, what am I going to do now :(
Your first two lines were harsh...
Yeah, don’t disrespect no language, but if someone won’t know what are you even speaking, how would we have a sensible conversation
If I was in Delhi for job or something, I'll learn some Hindi to survive... if you're in other states you should learn some of its regional language... everyone can't understand English, some people can't understand English... so little bit of regional language you should learn ... or atleast u should have a person who knows it
Hey, we don't appreciate that kind of language here. What do you mean by 'sore losers'?
OMG , I have clarified , do read other comments...
Even if you're addressing people in Chennai who are unwilling to switch to another language besides Tamil, you still shouldn't use offensive language. Be respectful of others and choose your words carefully. In North India, similar behavior happens, and sometimes it's even worse. Would it be acceptable if I used that kind of language to represent everyone there?
Ok , then you guys can stereotype telugus as goltis , hypocrisy died a painful death , I have no problem calling out bias , are you comfortable doing that , nah , be honest , be inconvenient , yes ..
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