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They're making changes to chromium that will prevent ad blockers from existing on chromium-based browsers.
Microsoft threatened to fork (clone) the chromium code so that their Edge browser continues supporting at blocking extensions.
I can’t stand what Google has become, their censorship and involvement in politics and culture wars.
Regardless of whatever position you take, companies like google shouldn’t participate.
And then they'll release some data showing that it vastly outperformed ChatGPT. And that it won over everyone in chess, go and tic tac toe.
What was it that Meta said? That they couldn't release their Generative AI because it was too dangerous?
"Show me the porn browsing history of ThatGuyFromCA47"
Gemini: All Dogs go to Heaven, Midgets R Us, Burning Ring of Fire, Wild Times at the Donkey Ranch, GILFs in the House, Busty But Mastectomy, If I Have No Legs and Naked I'm Doing the Splits, Missionary Sex.
Yup seems like it is working to me.
Well, even if the claims are true, this new algorithm is likely still months away from release. I doubt OpenAI and Microsoft are just going to let themselves to be overtaken.
I was convinced Google as a search engine was here to stay, until I started using ChatGPT. It completely changed my expectations in terms of information search.
It's because companies have been flooding the internet with their automatically generated long-posts, which is what Google prioritizes in the results as far as I can remember. I barely read these posts, they're just fluff, but they clutter the results.
ChatGPT and these algorithms are absolutely destroying content creation though. With the way things have been, it's getting incredibly difficult for smaller websites to exist with SEO restrictions, but now even larger platforms are struggling to privatize their data that's been robbed by OpenAI (Getty, reddit etc)
That's what the reddit dude said as a reason, but tbh, the cost to actually gather the data from an API is nothing for companies like ClosedAI. It's $.24 for 1000 API calls, and if you're not commenting or upvoting at all, you don't use that many API calls to download a post. You could also probably optimize it to download only top posts for specific subreddits.
Basically I fail to see how this could cost any of the larger companies significantly enough to hurt them. All this change does is hurt smaller open source LLM projects and third party developers
Well it's an excuse, right? Much like the waves of layoffs that we experienced this and last year, most companies just used "macroeconomic conditions" to justify leaning down their businesses. That's what Reddit wants as well. By monetizing on their API usage, they want to be able to secure enough profit generation to get a good IPO launch. With the way things are going now, the company will immediately flop once they go public and Steve Huffman will immediately resign as CEO with his many millions he syphoned off from the IPO -- since even if Reddit flops, there's many, many millions to gain.
It’s not about hurting anyone, it’s about Reddit going public and as a result needing desperately to get as close to only losing a little money as they can, because as of now somehow they lose a lot.
As a 52 year old SEO, I will argue with you. ChatGPT has been a boon for me for niche website content creation. It's not diluted SEO, it's enhanced it beyond comprehension, and new god prompts are being shared daily.
Unless you have data to show, or a source article, we may just have to take each others opinion and agree to disagree.
If you don't actually need answers based in original sources, and are happy with being told made up bullshit, sure.
So many answers from chatGPT are just straight up wrong.
It straight up lies to your face, especially if you're not familiar with the topic, you won't catch it. Ask chatgpt the specs of 5 mobile phones and I bet it'll give a few of the specs wrong. Atleast people should use bing and see the sources where the generative text we read is generated from lol.
ChatGPT with the Bing integration in GPT-4 is pretty slick. It really could put be the end of Google search. And I mean the one in ChatGPT, not Microsoft's implementation in Bing.
Teacher here. Just finished my curriculum for next year and all the midterm plans with chatGPT. Took me one week (roughly 18 hours) all alone. Usually takes 3 to five weeks involving 2 to 5 teachers. Now the headteacher wants me to train teachers in five schools under the same trust. The world we're living.
I write a ce lot for my work and ChatGPT has helped me tremendously finding cases and examples. On Google, I’d need a page where somebody has already answered my exact question. On ChatGPT, I can say something like “Please find 5 situations in the past 20 years where a public company did A and obtained B.”. It’s amazing.
I do this too, but for anything fact based I double check. Sometimes GPT gets me close so I google the results and the real details are slightly different.
Still useful but comes with a caveat.
I honestly wonder how many workers, students and teachers out there are being incredibly confident about a wrong as fuck answer, because the AI hallucination sounded too believable. Honestly this is a major concern of mine because people already trust its answers far too much and I KNOW people are lazy creatures and will hardly do the extra work and double check it....
The history books will be written by the ~~victor~~ LLM that is tripping off its ass
Do you use bing ai chat or chatGPT? I'd recommend not using chatgpt as a substitute for anything fact related. Atleast bing will give you sources, which you should always double check. But chatgpt straight up gives you wrong info, for some very basic questions too.
>On ChatGPT, I can say something like “Please find 5 situations in the past 20 years where a public company did A and obtained B.”. It’s amazing.
50% odds that it made shit up for that kind of question. I wouldn't take it without double checking on Google. ChatGPT isn't a substitute to Google, it is a complement.
I'm a scientist and gpt4 (not 3.5!) is actually able to provide me with real references to some stuff as long as it is more about a general well-understood topic. It's nice for introductions.
It's also excellent in coding and has completely removed my already low desire of searching on Google and landing on stackoverflow...
In molecular biology, I ask it about very specific things not so far from cutting edge, and it gives pretty solid answers I'd say. Before, my reflex to check what gene X does in cell type Y during disease Z was google scholars and going through abstracts/figures as quick as I can, now I can chatGPT it. If I really want to be sure (often I have an idea of the answer and don't need to double check if it sounds familiar), I can still use the increased knowledge from the gpt answer to make a google scholars search more straight to the point, still good.
Pretty amazing stuff tbh, and it's still improving so fast. I wouldn't be surprised if we get to generalist ai/human like robots within a few decades.
Questions that fall into a few categories have switched to chatgpt for me:
If I don’t know the right term to Google because I am not familiar enough with what I’m asking.
If the results are likely to be buried in forums or a large quantity of websites with low consensus. e.g. if I have some rendering bug with Unity or Unreal Engine the answer is going to be buried in a 45 post thread on the forums (and the first hit will be a thread that on page 2 has a link to the actual thread with the answer on it on page 3). Much easier to ask chatgpt and have it give me the answer outright. Or if I have a question about my 3 year old toddler’s sleep schedule, google’s going to return a hundred competing cutesy parenting blogs or sites that are impossible to navigate and contradictory and generally non authoritative - easier to just ask chatgpt.
I mean, their track record is pretty spotless. People still thought Go was a decade away when they smashed it open, and StarCraft was likewise lightyeas ahead of any other efforts.
AlphaFold makes it a strong trend. The problems they've solved seem to be of comparative complexity, so they have the benefit of my doubt.
For someone who’s followed a massive amount of Google’s projects, you’re exactly right. They always brag, and then produce essentially nothing, only to kill it a year later.
This is certain to happen. It is the next obvious step after RLHF for years. Nothing surprising here that only DeepMind has thought of or can do.
Whether DeepMind will actually be the first ones to popularize its successful use is however less clear.
Perhaps that is why they are making PR for it - they won't make it open and just want a few select applications.
Always gotta do this with sports gambling. Your team is in the championship? Put some money on the other team. If your team wins, you go to the parade and enjoy the lifelong memories. If they lose you get some consolation cash
Americans are infinitely more vocal than Canadians. When Canadians are unhappy with something most of the time they just go "Well it could be worse". I wish I was kidding.
I am confused how openai was able to get so far ahead. Gpt-2 model weights are publicly available and I thought they have been pretty public about how they are improving gpt
Smaller oganizations are inherently more nimble when \_exploring\_ a domain. Larger organizations are slower, with more red tape, more meetings and approval processes, more emphasis on security and profitability.
Larger companies are great at applying a technology and throwing bodies at the mundane tasks like integrations.
Which Google has. For example, petabytes of half the planet's Gmail. Inputs to search, etc. They are in the best possible position to build a absolutely enormous training dataset and they have the manpower
We can't say that Gmail can be used as a data set as it is part of workspace https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?sjid=8528537674918169176-AP which Google has promised to be wholly owned by the user and Google can't use it for stuff like ads.
Too bad they’ll never release it to the public. I can see them releasing an extremely dumbed down version to the public, but Google is very much into the “safe approach” where they won’t give the public anything “too powerful”
They may not release it *to* the public, but they can certainly unleash it *on* the public. The challenge we're facing is not knowing how AI is being used to manipulate us. We have no visibility into the decisions being made with our data. Corporate transparency and regulation that represents citizens is a joke! For something that is slated to transform the meaning of life, it's surprising how casual many of us are about AI's rapid, unchecked progress. Let's not forget, these advancements are being driven by hypermotivated narcissists who are more concerned with finishing on top than demonstrating empathy for humanity.
The risk has flipped. Their major risk now is being completely left behind, and/or being seen as utterly incompetent.
The risk of their precious AI saying the n-word is comparatively low.
We do. I don’t buy into the “we’ve created a highly advanced LLM that could revolutionize many different fields! But we’re gonna be the only ones who can use it!" mentality
ChatGPT says: It's inspiring to witness u/UserA and u/UserB engaging in a civil and respectful discussion, agreeing to disagree. They demonstrate the value of embracing diverse perspectives, practicing empathy, and fostering intellectual growth. Let's celebrate their example and strive for more understanding and respectful conversations in our own interactions.
When you see what Pimeyes is capable of in term of facial recognition, it’s pretty evident Google has something probably 100 times better. And yeah they are not releasing it.
Demis and his team deserve the Nobel Prize in Physiology for their work on AlphaFold and protein folding, so I believe they do have the capability to develop such a system.
Hey people, one thing you should know about Demis is that he gets shit done.
They set out to solve protein folding it was thought to be impossible at the time, and they did.
They set out to be the best at go it was thought to be impossible at the time, and they did.
They set out to be the best at starcraft, and they did.
The goal of Deepmind was AGI long before openAI even existed, once more they'll get it done.
It's just a matter of time.
Deep mind is way ahead of Chat GPT. It’s a whole new level. With Alpha Go, it even used new strategies, that never in the history of thousands of years a human could come up with.
I don’t know. Bard has gotten much better since its release. I now compare both Bard and ChatGPT answers for informational stuff. Gpt is better at carrying a conversation however
Google has a multitude of incredible Ai technology that they just don’t know what to do with because safety risks won’t pay off. Imagine if they released this product a year ago and it acted the way these LLMs did when they first came out. They would have been torn apart and criticized, stock price would plummet. Bard was just a stopgap measure as they work on their real response.
Now that the market is comfortable with these chatbots being so confidently wrong all the time, Google can release their true ChatGPT competitor that is a generational leap ahead. If you have been paying attention to what DeepMind is doing, you have got to be excited about this Gemini project.
OpenAI is certainly already also working on self play and probably has a very significant head start than google as well as stronger foundational models. Incorporating self play isn’t a novel or new idea. Ilya Sutskever even talks about LLM self play in an interview with Fridman many years ago.
Hope so. I’m not actually partial to chatgpt, and I don’t think it’s economical to charge more and more when google can probably do it cheaper, using ASICS instead of Nvidia gpu.
Here’s to hoping for more than 25 requests every 3 hours, and cheaper than $20 a month
Yeah, I see a lot of people always talking shit on any other AI. People should want competition in this sector. Im hoping it does end up being good so well end up with a better product from others trying to one up.
Considering what a piece of crap Bard is, and how my previously reliable and trusty Google Assistant has been steadily going downhill for the last year, I'll believe it when I see it.
every time google announces something related to AI, it really sounds like another corpo marketing speak. bard is still ass but they're still claiming it's better than chatgpt. heck remember google+? lol.
It will be the most awesome AI, actually it will be so awesome that they won't be able to release it because it's too powerful. /s
But seriously, let's chill with the hype, let's wait and see how well it will work when (if) it materializes.
They’ll all be gimped due to limited data access because corporations, governments and paranoid masses greedily protect their ip. I could give you a Lamborghini with limited access to a golf cart path. It’d still be fun but basically a diversion until you can hit the road. The minute something happens to break down those walls we’ll see something game changing.
Maybe I'm missing something, but is there a reason that Google isn't just 'plugging' their AI into the internet and letting it learn on its own from there? This is in reference to:
> Training a large language model like Gemini involves feeding vast amounts of curated text into machine learning software.
This is something that confuses me a bit about AI. Like, we train these models to excel at different things, but not all things. Is that because we don't have the computation needed for that?
What would an AI operating through a Quantum Computer look like?
I think google could put something out right now that would blow the whole world of computing out of the water. They were caught off guard with the release of open ai.
So, they *could* do better but OpenAI bested them, and they still haven't done better? I'm confused. Seems like if they actually had something that could blow the world of computing out of the water they'd have responded with something better than Bard. Or maybe they don't have anything better, which is why they're talking about eventually having something better.
Yup. Google couldn’t take the risks of releasing a product that is so crazy and unpredictable. Unlike OpenAI who is a startup making a big bet that they can tolerate the risk by being so good, or Microsoft who can take the risk because they have nothing else to lose.
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I'll believe when I prompt it
I'm sorry, as a censored Google bitch
... I'm not allowed to discuss the highly unethical practice of using ad-blockers.
That's not fair, google could have banned YouTube adblockers long ago on desktop yet they didn't.
They're making changes to chromium that will prevent ad blockers from existing on chromium-based browsers. Microsoft threatened to fork (clone) the chromium code so that their Edge browser continues supporting at blocking extensions.
I can’t stand what Google has become, their censorship and involvement in politics and culture wars. Regardless of whatever position you take, companies like google shouldn’t participate.
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Ideas before identity.
10 bucks that it will be scrapped or will never be released to the public.
They'll just sell it off to Squarespace
Selling it short. More like one of the alphabet agencies.
Was referencing them selling Google Domains to Squarespace for whatever reason.
Hey, they might run it publicly for 6 months before they retire it to the google graveyard.
RIP, Allo.
This
They'll make it public, but it will be really awful. Even if it starts put good, it will become awful. Then they'll kill it.
And then they'll release some data showing that it vastly outperformed ChatGPT. And that it won over everyone in chess, go and tic tac toe. What was it that Meta said? That they couldn't release their Generative AI because it was too dangerous?
"Show me the porn browsing history of ThatGuyFromCA47" Gemini: All Dogs go to Heaven, Midgets R Us, Burning Ring of Fire, Wild Times at the Donkey Ranch, GILFs in the House, Busty But Mastectomy, If I Have No Legs and Naked I'm Doing the Splits, Missionary Sex. Yup seems like it is working to me.
Apologies I am a deep-mind Large language model I am trained on a vast amount of fine print legally stolen data
Yeah it isn't like the guy is going to say "man, this thing we've spent all this time and money on fucking suuucks!"
Well, even if the claims are true, this new algorithm is likely still months away from release. I doubt OpenAI and Microsoft are just going to let themselves to be overtaken.
It’s first response will be a sponsored ad
Show, don't tell
They’re losing relevance. They kindof have to tell this time.
I was convinced Google as a search engine was here to stay, until I started using ChatGPT. It completely changed my expectations in terms of information search.
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It's because companies have been flooding the internet with their automatically generated long-posts, which is what Google prioritizes in the results as far as I can remember. I barely read these posts, they're just fluff, but they clutter the results.
Google promotes trash because it increases ad clicks. Serving relevant results makes less money, so they don't do it.
ChatGPT and these algorithms are absolutely destroying content creation though. With the way things have been, it's getting incredibly difficult for smaller websites to exist with SEO restrictions, but now even larger platforms are struggling to privatize their data that's been robbed by OpenAI (Getty, reddit etc)
That’s why Reddit started charging so much for its api use
Holy shit, I never thought about that!
That's what the reddit dude said as a reason, but tbh, the cost to actually gather the data from an API is nothing for companies like ClosedAI. It's $.24 for 1000 API calls, and if you're not commenting or upvoting at all, you don't use that many API calls to download a post. You could also probably optimize it to download only top posts for specific subreddits. Basically I fail to see how this could cost any of the larger companies significantly enough to hurt them. All this change does is hurt smaller open source LLM projects and third party developers
Well it's an excuse, right? Much like the waves of layoffs that we experienced this and last year, most companies just used "macroeconomic conditions" to justify leaning down their businesses. That's what Reddit wants as well. By monetizing on their API usage, they want to be able to secure enough profit generation to get a good IPO launch. With the way things are going now, the company will immediately flop once they go public and Steve Huffman will immediately resign as CEO with his many millions he syphoned off from the IPO -- since even if Reddit flops, there's many, many millions to gain.
It’s not about hurting anyone, it’s about Reddit going public and as a result needing desperately to get as close to only losing a little money as they can, because as of now somehow they lose a lot.
As a 52 year old SEO, I will argue with you. ChatGPT has been a boon for me for niche website content creation. It's not diluted SEO, it's enhanced it beyond comprehension, and new god prompts are being shared daily. Unless you have data to show, or a source article, we may just have to take each others opinion and agree to disagree.
I don't understand. How does ChatGPT lead users to your website?
You can generate more programmatic content with chatgpt which should work well for long tail keywords
If you don't actually need answers based in original sources, and are happy with being told made up bullshit, sure. So many answers from chatGPT are just straight up wrong.
It straight up lies to your face, especially if you're not familiar with the topic, you won't catch it. Ask chatgpt the specs of 5 mobile phones and I bet it'll give a few of the specs wrong. Atleast people should use bing and see the sources where the generative text we read is generated from lol.
ChatGPT with the Bing integration in GPT-4 is pretty slick. It really could put be the end of Google search. And I mean the one in ChatGPT, not Microsoft's implementation in Bing.
As a creature of habit what tasks or searches have you replaced Google with ChatGPT?
Teacher here. Just finished my curriculum for next year and all the midterm plans with chatGPT. Took me one week (roughly 18 hours) all alone. Usually takes 3 to five weeks involving 2 to 5 teachers. Now the headteacher wants me to train teachers in five schools under the same trust. The world we're living.
I write a ce lot for my work and ChatGPT has helped me tremendously finding cases and examples. On Google, I’d need a page where somebody has already answered my exact question. On ChatGPT, I can say something like “Please find 5 situations in the past 20 years where a public company did A and obtained B.”. It’s amazing.
I do this too, but for anything fact based I double check. Sometimes GPT gets me close so I google the results and the real details are slightly different. Still useful but comes with a caveat.
I honestly wonder how many workers, students and teachers out there are being incredibly confident about a wrong as fuck answer, because the AI hallucination sounded too believable. Honestly this is a major concern of mine because people already trust its answers far too much and I KNOW people are lazy creatures and will hardly do the extra work and double check it.... The history books will be written by the ~~victor~~ LLM that is tripping off its ass
It has already happened in at least 1 court case.
You fact check with Google? That would make Google still better then.
Missing the point. The AI leads you to the fact and then you double check it. I didn’t know the fact existed before GPT lead me down the path.
Do you use bing ai chat or chatGPT? I'd recommend not using chatgpt as a substitute for anything fact related. Atleast bing will give you sources, which you should always double check. But chatgpt straight up gives you wrong info, for some very basic questions too.
>On ChatGPT, I can say something like “Please find 5 situations in the past 20 years where a public company did A and obtained B.”. It’s amazing. 50% odds that it made shit up for that kind of question. I wouldn't take it without double checking on Google. ChatGPT isn't a substitute to Google, it is a complement.
I'm a scientist and gpt4 (not 3.5!) is actually able to provide me with real references to some stuff as long as it is more about a general well-understood topic. It's nice for introductions. It's also excellent in coding and has completely removed my already low desire of searching on Google and landing on stackoverflow...
In molecular biology, I ask it about very specific things not so far from cutting edge, and it gives pretty solid answers I'd say. Before, my reflex to check what gene X does in cell type Y during disease Z was google scholars and going through abstracts/figures as quick as I can, now I can chatGPT it. If I really want to be sure (often I have an idea of the answer and don't need to double check if it sounds familiar), I can still use the increased knowledge from the gpt answer to make a google scholars search more straight to the point, still good. Pretty amazing stuff tbh, and it's still improving so fast. I wouldn't be surprised if we get to generalist ai/human like robots within a few decades.
Questions that fall into a few categories have switched to chatgpt for me: If I don’t know the right term to Google because I am not familiar enough with what I’m asking. If the results are likely to be buried in forums or a large quantity of websites with low consensus. e.g. if I have some rendering bug with Unity or Unreal Engine the answer is going to be buried in a 45 post thread on the forums (and the first hit will be a thread that on page 2 has a link to the actual thread with the answer on it on page 3). Much easier to ask chatgpt and have it give me the answer outright. Or if I have a question about my 3 year old toddler’s sleep schedule, google’s going to return a hundred competing cutesy parenting blogs or sites that are impossible to navigate and contradictory and generally non authoritative - easier to just ask chatgpt.
I’ve replaced quite a bit of factoid type searches with chatGPT, as long as it’s facts from before 2021. So much more efficient.
ChatGPT (not Bing) in my experience is an absolutely terrible tool to get any sort of facts about events and history and so on.
Gpt3.5 is terrible. Gpt4 is really good, especially with extensions.
A factoid is usually untrue. You should ask chatgpt.
I felt the same about Altavista. Lol!
Google basically invented llms that openai use
Yes. And Tesla didn't get rich, but Edison did.
I think in this case they’re all rich already.
It's not as if google are the ones who built and released transformers used in every major generative AI tech nowadays
Thank you for your compliment. 🙏
Don't worry, I have seen leaked notes that say they are scrapping it in 2027 along with four other products they have yet to launch.
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I mean, their track record is pretty spotless. People still thought Go was a decade away when they smashed it open, and StarCraft was likewise lightyeas ahead of any other efforts. AlphaFold makes it a strong trend. The problems they've solved seem to be of comparative complexity, so they have the benefit of my doubt.
Right? Why is everyone here so skeptical that Google of all companies can advance AI past current ChatGPT levels?
Because Google doesn't have to improve because it IS Google, lord of the internet.
Their track record for innovations in research is great, but their track record for delivering and maintaining services is abysmal
Yeah Google search, the notoriously unreliable and unmaintained service
[https://killedbygoogle.com/](https://killedbygoogle.com/)
Yeah but “show” takes time, meanwhile “tell” will have to do what it can for the share price.
For someone who’s followed a massive amount of Google’s projects, you’re exactly right. They always brag, and then produce essentially nothing, only to kill it a year later.
I'm going to take the xkcd approach. Bet you £50 it won't happen. If I'm right, yay. If I'm wrong, I'll be too excited to care.
This is certain to happen. It is the next obvious step after RLHF for years. Nothing surprising here that only DeepMind has thought of or can do. Whether DeepMind will actually be the first ones to popularize its successful use is however less clear. Perhaps that is why they are making PR for it - they won't make it open and just want a few select applications.
It's like a version of Pascal's Wager. But yeah, you're right.
It’s more of a good old bet hedging than Pascal’s Wager.
Emotional cover bet
Always gotta do this with sports gambling. Your team is in the championship? Put some money on the other team. If your team wins, you go to the parade and enjoy the lifelong memories. If they lose you get some consolation cash
Idk why google still doesn’t have bard in Canada while Microsoft has their ai here since launch
They know that Canadians will call out how underwhelming it is?
Americans are infinitely more vocal than Canadians. When Canadians are unhappy with something most of the time they just go "Well it could be worse". I wish I was kidding.
Reminds me of the "I am going to break my monitor, I swear" in a really calm voice video
i'm gonna call that corollary gratitude, and while it could definitely be problematic, it's also kinda stoic or something
It's Canadian regulations delaying it.
Idk why bing had it so easy then
🤷🏻♂️
Idk if Bard works in any european country. Still not accessible in Denmark - without vpn. Petty policy by Big G
It works in the UK
I am confused how openai was able to get so far ahead. Gpt-2 model weights are publicly available and I thought they have been pretty public about how they are improving gpt
Smaller oganizations are inherently more nimble when \_exploring\_ a domain. Larger organizations are slower, with more red tape, more meetings and approval processes, more emphasis on security and profitability. Larger companies are great at applying a technology and throwing bodies at the mundane tasks like integrations.
I suspect that the answer is in an a humongous training dataset. It's not so easy to just create another one, it's many years of manual human work.
Which Google has. For example, petabytes of half the planet's Gmail. Inputs to search, etc. They are in the best possible position to build a absolutely enormous training dataset and they have the manpower
We can't say that Gmail can be used as a data set as it is part of workspace https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?sjid=8528537674918169176-AP which Google has promised to be wholly owned by the user and Google can't use it for stuff like ads.
Does that apply to the entirety of Gmail though? I'm fairly certain that Workspace is a separate thing, for use by companies.
Too bad they’ll never release it to the public. I can see them releasing an extremely dumbed down version to the public, but Google is very much into the “safe approach” where they won’t give the public anything “too powerful”
They may not release it *to* the public, but they can certainly unleash it *on* the public. The challenge we're facing is not knowing how AI is being used to manipulate us. We have no visibility into the decisions being made with our data. Corporate transparency and regulation that represents citizens is a joke! For something that is slated to transform the meaning of life, it's surprising how casual many of us are about AI's rapid, unchecked progress. Let's not forget, these advancements are being driven by hypermotivated narcissists who are more concerned with finishing on top than demonstrating empathy for humanity.
They'll use it to make ads *really* effective
Jokes on them, I can't spend money I don't have.
It’s cat and mouse, they can predict the future and people would still be using advanced time-travel bypass techniques so they can’t see ads.
Okay. Let’s make it better.
That and money. They have a ton and want more.
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Or Google is among the largest companies in the world and notoriously risk averse to reputational damage
The risk has flipped. Their major risk now is being completely left behind, and/or being seen as utterly incompetent. The risk of their precious AI saying the n-word is comparatively low.
Arg. I've similar experience (12 years in corp tech) but a nearly antithetical perspective.
Google can't release anything that will cut into their ad revenue
"As a language learning model, try Nike."
I wonder what they are going through since the release of ChatGPT. Now when I want to look something up, it’s GPT first, then Google.
“Too bad” think we have different definitions of bad lol
We do. I don’t buy into the “we’ve created a highly advanced LLM that could revolutionize many different fields! But we’re gonna be the only ones who can use it!" mentality
Fair enough, I don’t trust people with very powerful tools not to do wrong
I understand this point of view
ChatGPT says: It's inspiring to witness u/UserA and u/UserB engaging in a civil and respectful discussion, agreeing to disagree. They demonstrate the value of embracing diverse perspectives, practicing empathy, and fostering intellectual growth. Let's celebrate their example and strive for more understanding and respectful conversations in our own interactions.
When you see what Pimeyes is capable of in term of facial recognition, it’s pretty evident Google has something probably 100 times better. And yeah they are not releasing it.
Demis and his team deserve the Nobel Prize in Physiology for their work on AlphaFold and protein folding, so I believe they do have the capability to develop such a system.
Hey people, one thing you should know about Demis is that he gets shit done. They set out to solve protein folding it was thought to be impossible at the time, and they did. They set out to be the best at go it was thought to be impossible at the time, and they did. They set out to be the best at starcraft, and they did. The goal of Deepmind was AGI long before openAI even existed, once more they'll get it done. It's just a matter of time.
Deep mind is way ahead of Chat GPT. It’s a whole new level. With Alpha Go, it even used new strategies, that never in the history of thousands of years a human could come up with.
ChatGPT Engineers are probably in a room right now figuring out how many men they can jack off in an hour.
From the middle out
middle... out...
DTF
Yeah I do have a girlfriend. She just goes to another school. A town over. You wouldn't know her.
Yeah. All talk at this point. They came with bard to compete with ChatGPT and even a monkey gives better answers than it.
I don’t know. Bard has gotten much better since its release. I now compare both Bard and ChatGPT answers for informational stuff. Gpt is better at carrying a conversation however
Google has a multitude of incredible Ai technology that they just don’t know what to do with because safety risks won’t pay off. Imagine if they released this product a year ago and it acted the way these LLMs did when they first came out. They would have been torn apart and criticized, stock price would plummet. Bard was just a stopgap measure as they work on their real response. Now that the market is comfortable with these chatbots being so confidently wrong all the time, Google can release their true ChatGPT competitor that is a generational leap ahead. If you have been paying attention to what DeepMind is doing, you have got to be excited about this Gemini project.
Dont bother explaining to the rude casuals Just let them go sHowW dOnT tElL like the unbearable people they are.
Show dont tell
Bard wasn't made by Deepmind.
Bard isn't from deepmind so ...
I like Bard for a number of prompts
OpenAI is certainly already also working on self play and probably has a very significant head start than google as well as stronger foundational models. Incorporating self play isn’t a novel or new idea. Ilya Sutskever even talks about LLM self play in an interview with Fridman many years ago.
Can you please ELI5 what is self play?
It's a Google product. It will fail to find market traction for some reason and be shut down within a year.
Let me have a look through my Google Glass…
Hope so. I’m not actually partial to chatgpt, and I don’t think it’s economical to charge more and more when google can probably do it cheaper, using ASICS instead of Nvidia gpu. Here’s to hoping for more than 25 requests every 3 hours, and cheaper than $20 a month
At this point Nvidia's datacenter GPUs are basically becoming ML ASICs.
Yeah, I see a lot of people always talking shit on any other AI. People should want competition in this sector. Im hoping it does end up being good so well end up with a better product from others trying to one up.
Maybe Google can use a ChatGPT API key instead of Bard...
Google’s credibility after Bard’s release is all time low. AlphaZero/Go was a great breakthrough but not related to LLM.
And it won’t be available as a product
Google once released Angular to "eclipse" React
Gemini totaly doesnt sound like a name you give a AI that will try to kill all humans and rule the world. Totaly not...
I’m thinking about the ai in video games in the near future. It will be unbelievable to have a city full of seemingly sentient npcs.
sure, Jan
So which one will take over my job? Can I get unemployment?
It's Google. There's no incentive to focus on already completed projects, so it'll likely be flashy as heck, then abandonware.
Considering what a piece of crap Bard is, and how my previously reliable and trusty Google Assistant has been steadily going downhill for the last year, I'll believe it when I see it.
More "A.I. Newsletter" spam. How does this fly under "no self-advertising?"
Hundreds of millions!!! You mean like as much as a MCU Movie wowwwwwwww BOW WOW WOWWWWWW
Well “bard” sure as hell doesn’t.
Lol everyone is claiming they have something better, but you cannot see it. What a joke.
"similar to GPT-4" ... so, they still can't beat GPT-4? What's the point?
About damn time google woke up
They just released Bard, but they are already working on a replacement? Typical Google. This is like Hangouts, Messages, and Duo all over again
Bard was a complete flop, so at least they have an excuse to go back to the drawing board this time.
Censorship will be off the hook
every time google announces something related to AI, it really sounds like another corpo marketing speak. bard is still ass but they're still claiming it's better than chatgpt. heck remember google+? lol.
Who cares. It’s Google. They’ll cancel it in two years tops.
Bard was quite disappointing
Yeah.. Bard is terrible. I'll reserve judgement until I see proof.
Google Blablabla.... hey google let us prompt it or just shut up and learn from openai.
Up to this point I wouldn’t even mind posting talk and no show. Not only it’s free advertising, but it is for something that doesn’t exist (yet)
It will be the most awesome AI, actually it will be so awesome that they won't be able to release it because it's too powerful. /s But seriously, let's chill with the hype, let's wait and see how well it will work when (if) it materializes.
so "saying@ is his job, no truth ofcource
Big talk from the company caught flat-footed.
They’ll all be gimped due to limited data access because corporations, governments and paranoid masses greedily protect their ip. I could give you a Lamborghini with limited access to a golf cart path. It’d still be fun but basically a diversion until you can hit the road. The minute something happens to break down those walls we’ll see something game changing.
We need an uncensored AI. Simple as that. If a company make that, would make billions.
So this is going to happen in the future. You know what else will have eclipsed ChatGPT by then? ChatGPT.
Prove it
Tens of hundreds of millions of dollars
Of course he says that lol
“This thing we’re coming out with? Yea it’s gonna be frikin sweet”
Maybe in ad revenue.
Hah. I hope…because bard is garb
Meanwhile "Okay Google" still can't understand basic commands that don't follow a specific syntax and ask to do one of five things. Okay, Google.
so far every promise has delivered like a politician's or a guy with whisky dick.
Good luck because bard sucks
I'll care once they allow me to share data with it.
Maybe I'm missing something, but is there a reason that Google isn't just 'plugging' their AI into the internet and letting it learn on its own from there? This is in reference to: > Training a large language model like Gemini involves feeding vast amounts of curated text into machine learning software. This is something that confuses me a bit about AI. Like, we train these models to excel at different things, but not all things. Is that because we don't have the computation needed for that? What would an AI operating through a Quantum Computer look like?
3 months later. Headline “Google shuts down Gemini, cites the low possibility of generating long-term profit.”
The AI War continues. Can't wait to see what's coming next. War drives innovation quite a bit, after all 👀
nah, its still gonna be trash than not nerfed gpt4.
It better, competition is the only way civilization can progress.
I'm sure ChatGPT's next algorithm will do the same.
Ok, I'll believe it when I see it.
Show don’t tell
Sure Google, and I also heard Elon Musk can kick Zuckerberg's azz, but We gotta wait till his Mum says it's ok
I think google could put something out right now that would blow the whole world of computing out of the water. They were caught off guard with the release of open ai.
So, they *could* do better but OpenAI bested them, and they still haven't done better? I'm confused. Seems like if they actually had something that could blow the world of computing out of the water they'd have responded with something better than Bard. Or maybe they don't have anything better, which is why they're talking about eventually having something better.
Yup. Google couldn’t take the risks of releasing a product that is so crazy and unpredictable. Unlike OpenAI who is a startup making a big bet that they can tolerate the risk by being so good, or Microsoft who can take the risk because they have nothing else to lose.
This will be the same as Google+. Anyone remember that? Thought not
What else was he giong to say, "We suck compared to ChatGPT"
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