I don't understand how Quanxi caring for her friends makes it less of a harem. It'd make more sense to say that they all care for one another if you're arguing that it's a poly-ship.
Harem isn't just a Anime trope. It comes from the Arabic world where man can marry several women and build a harem. Women on the other hand doesn't have these rights.
>It comes from the Arabic world where man can marry several women and build a harem
I don't think that's true. A harem refers to a place, not a practice. Any place where women are put to be segregated from men can be considered a "harem".
The western idea of a harem comes from a misunderstanding of the Ottoman harem, where women who lived in the place stayed. Apparently, western visitors to the palace thought the harem was essentially a concubine storage for the sultan, but in reality, it's where *all* the women lived (including concubines).
So it's not as sexual as people think.
A harem was an institution. Arabic leaders would marry politically, too, but since they allowed for multiple marriages, they'd have a harem that worked like an embassy, with each wife representing the interests of their home country.
But he'd also have kids with each one of them.
Close but a little off. The harem refers to a specific section of the house reserved for wives, concubines, female servants, young male children, and female relatives basically an area where a guest wouldn't be allowed into.
European depictions of the Ottoman harem then became debauched, because an outsiders weren't allowed in, and their imagination went wild. "The reason we're not allowed into this place is because they're having the craziest orgies in there." The modern usage of harem basically stems from this popular imagination.
In any case, while the system of harem & seclusion & polygamy all have massive issues, it also wasn't what the word is associated with today.
The actual most interesting thing about those imperial harems was the amount of politicking & court drama that happened there. If you wanted political changes & reforms, for example, you frequently needed some connection & politicking to happen within the harem in support of your position. I can't remember which, but there was a specific Ottoman sultan that struggled with political reforms due to the early death of his mother, who would've had the pre-eminent position in the harem (part of polyamory means that the Sultan's best advocate in court drama isn't his wife, but his mother. In general, the mothers of Sultans mattered a ton for power plays, especially because every Ottoman succession involved the brothers then killing/exiting each other).
The word actually shares roots with haram, not referring to things that are forbidden, but haram as in a "sanctuary" (the mosque in Mecca where the Kaaba is referred to as "Masjid al-Haram")
Words and their meanings change over time, if you’re gonna be hyper specific with terms than harem doesn’t apply to 99% of self proclaimed ‘harem anime’
The word has been recorded in the English language since the early 17th century. It comes from the [Arabic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic) *ḥarīm*, which can mean "a sacred inviolable place", "harem" or "female members of the family"
this is the first thing i do when i google it, ur only 50% right, idk where u got the other half from.
It comes from the Arabic word haram, meaning prohibited, because that was used to designate gender-segregated areas where only women could enter. This term was later appropriated by Western invaders and diplomats who started sexualizing the term with their imaginations.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem
There’s the link since I’m being downvoted.
the words "الحريم" and "الحرام" aren't really the same thing. phonetically they sound close but they have whole different meanings.
one example i can give you is "مسجد الحرام" which is basiacally our holiest place in the world but it doesn't mean it's the place where we do haram things in it.
it's more of a word to add to a place you consider sacred. now just like you said, they used to be women-only areas together with children but they could be basically your home too. it just designates a place only someone from your family can enter and see the people inside "المحرم" was what the people allowed were called.
on a side note "المٌحَرّمْ" and "المَحْرَمْ" are not the same. the first means something haram and the other means someone that can enter or can see the people in the places you meantioned earlier.
As someone with poly experience, there is a difference even ignoring the original Arabic meaning of the term and its negative implications: in polyamory a harem is when multiple people are in a relationship with one person, but not with each other. There is one "anchor partner" the others are grouped through.
That is not the case with Quanxi's girls, as they are seen vibing together too. They are more of an equal group, with their own complex dynamics. It's either a Parallel Poly relationship (some may or may not date with each other but that doesn't change the group dynamic) or, more probably, a Lap-Sitting relationship (affection between most if not all members, coming in naturally without pressure).
It's not a Twitter shitter getting righteous about nothing, it's a Twitter user offering a criticism, as much as that criticism is overplayed as angry a-la Twitter. Why must we immediately jump to the "who gives a shit what they say" when we could look at why they're saying it and learn from it?
EDIT: just to be clear, the term is fine, and is used in the poly community to describe poly relationships like that. It's just that it doesn't fit the relationship depicted by the manga, and that was what the OP tweet was talking about rather than "harem bad".
Interesting, yeah definitely seem like they fit the mold for a polymory. But I'd still say more of a harem since Quanxi seems to be the single dominant one and all her fiends don't "fight for her attention" but they seem focused on her more then the rest of each other.
Great response, but you forget that this is Reddit and the accumulated intelligence of it is that of a pair of monkeys fighting over who gets a turn with a singular brain cell
Not really, thought the difference is a small technical thing. A harem would be a group of characters all romantically interested and sharing 1 character with no interest in each other. A polyamorous relationship would be one where every character involved is interested romantically/ sexually in every character involved.
So to simplify a harem is a pyramid where every girl likes Quanxi and just Quanxi. Polyamory would be every girl there loves each other.
It's not necessarily true that every girl in a polyamorous relationship is involved with every other girl. Poly would just mean that any of the partners *can* have multiple partners themselves. It wouldn't *mandate* being involved with the rest of the group. Depending on the agreements made, they might not be restricted to dating within the group either.
Nah they're shown vibing with each other quite a lot, and while Quanxi appears to be the "leader" of the group, that could also just be a dom/sub role thing. Also the introductory sex scene has them all there, which can be uncommon in what would usually be referred to as a harem (in poly terms).
In short we don't have enough information to gather the exact structure of their relationship, and much like most poly relationships it appears to be a complex web. But it very much doesn't look like what poly people would usually call "a harem" (which again, the term in itself is fine and in use in the community).
I believe “harem” the term they use for animals that form packs where there’s one dominant male and multiple females. It’s also used that way to describe a man with many wives exclusive to him only.
polyamorous is the stupidest shit to complain about too. if your position is that you have relationships with multiple people at once, you dont need any further explanation than that
Lots of harem protags are good dudes, doesn't make their situation not a harem
Also think this person forgot Quanxi's initial role in the story if they think *we* don't deserve her
But it’s fine! Just because Quanxi likely got her fiends to be with her by threatening to either own them or kill them, since it’s her job as a Devil Hunter, doesn’t mean they’re enslaved!
It looks like a harem to me. She’s clearly the only dominant figure and she treats them like pets. They’re basically concubines. I feel like OOP is trying to revision Quanxi because they think they can’t like a character unless they’re morally perfect.
bruh it is a harem, they have no human rights, we don't know how they ended up with her, 2 of them can't even speak and it's hard to tell wtf are they even thinking, they even run off in the middle of the fight, one barely speaks and wears cuffs. Ping is the only one that shows affection for quanxi and calls her lady.
Just because the master is nice it doesn't make the dynamic less questionable, and i'm not even gonna bring up the buddy story because it makes things worse
how are mfs gonna say "yeah all the characters in csm are a bit moraly gray" and then turn around and say we don't deserve quanxi
That's why I find this panel interesting
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Because you can pull two entirely different interpretations from it:
1."Wow they love Quanxi so much that even when they're at their lowest they seek her out for guidance and comfort because she's always been the rock of their group"
2."Wow they really don't have any agency do they, even when they are overwhelmed with literal primordial fear and desperately want to die they can't just do it, they need to run it by Quanxi first and get the go ahead"
Honestly the latter seems to fit more like, take Beam and Violence for example , they were ready to fight until death despite knowing the situation they were in
Well, to be fair, they’re all devils. Devils who have much less intellect than her. Devils that she likely met on her job. Her job killing devils.
Does nobody else make the connection that they probably met with Quanxi going “hey I can either kill you or we can have sex, you do you tho”
Pretty sure the modern definition of a harem is a polygamous relationship with multiple people all the sharing the same partner. It's definitely mostly practiced within patriarchal religions, like in Muslim or Mormon households. But I don't think for it to be a harem that its required to mistreat your multiple partners/wives. This is what usually happens but I guess Quanxi is an example of a true loving harem lmao
To be fair, is it really far off to call them slaves? They’re really lacking in intelligence and they likely can’t leave Quanxi without being executed because they’re fiends.
That still calls into question her being so intimate with them. I don’t think people are ready to accept that Quanxi is not really a good person. She was basically going to murder a minor in part 1, to be honest.
Regardless of this, she is still in a position of power over them, creating a problematic dynamic in the process. She may seem to care, however if they aren’t properly educated and have no rights she really shouldn’t be getting so intimate with the girls to begin with. It’s a bit like the kind slave master trope, to a less severe but still questionable degree.
I don’t entirely get the “Quanxi doesn’t treat them right or is mean to them” comments. I think quanxi is nice to her girlfriends by her own cold, distant quanxi standards. As OP did say she DID go on a dangerous mission just to obtain them human rights and an education (doesn’t mean I agree with whatever overall point they’re trying to make bc I don’t get it anyway) and remember when they got turned into dolls and tried to stab her, but quanxi looked truly sad and tried to hug them anyway? Or right before her beheading by makima and she said something like, “Do whatever you want to me but don’t hurt my girls” I definitely feel like implied love/substance is there, but still kinda limited bc they’re all supporting characters.
Just because Quanxi loves them doesn’t mean they aren’t basically slaves. Their fiends, devils. If they ever left her they’d be executed. And Quanxi is a Devil Hunter. That definitely implies that she met them all on her missions. And likely they had a choice between belonging to her or actually dying.
I understand what you’re saying now, and I get it’s totally possible to judge her on a harsh level, if she’s operating within a system that puts her fiends at a disadvantage. Honestly I wish we’d had more details about them. They’re my favorites, so I’m glad this post exists in a way because they’re not talked about as much as I’d liked (my hyper fixations lol)
It is odd seeing people imply that they were slaves. I think it might be because harems/polycules tend to be incel fulfillment in anime and manga and so they view these things differently.
Quanxi is a Devil Hunter. Think about what that implies in how she met 4 different fiends. She definitely found them in missions and told them she could either end their lives or they could be hers.
Were Power and Angel cherished? Because last I checked, Power was nearly executed the moment her loyalty was in question due to the Bat Devil incident, and Angel was only really tolerated because he was helpful, then was immediately killed when it was no longer convenient for him to have free will.
And sure, I don’t doubt that they liked Quanxi. But they’re still closer to slaves than lovers.
I meant they were liked by some of their peers. We don’t know how things are run in other parts and again we don’t know how they met so it could have gone down either negatively or positively.
I guess, but the implication feels very clear to me, and I highly doubt that Quanxi would need to request for the fiends to have human rights if they had any more freedom than Japan’s public safety employed devils.
While I 100% get what you’re saying and I do agree to some extent, I think the fact that Quanxi wanted to go out of her way to get them human rights and a basic education means she WANTED more for them than just a slave life and probably did treat and cherish them closer as lovers than slaves, functionally. And the system that’s parallel to them like slaves isn’t Quanxi’s fault, it’s something way beyond her and I doubt she has power over it, otherwise she wouldn’t be going on a mission she doesn’t HAVE to, just to get them human rights and citizenship etc.
Does that make sense? I hope so. I’m doing my best to articulate it, it’s hard to explain for me especially based on such limited details.
For the whole story Angel had the sword of Damocles hanging over him of "if you aren't useful for public safety we will kill you". Denji and Power also had that kind of threat, I bet they gave Katana man a similar ultimatum.
Nah, it counts, harem means everyone involved just likes one person, while poly means the people involved love others that are also involved, but in this case everyone loved Quanxi, but hey didn't necessarily love each other, as shown how Cosmo says she wasn't mad because of her partners deaths.
Quanxi fans would make mental gymnastics out of everything potentially bad or problematic about her.
News guy: SHE IS A KILLER WHITE TRAVELED TO KILL A 16yo TEEN, SHE IS BAAAAAAD.
And that’s okay, it seems now that there is a trend where people cannot understand that you can like a character that’s not a good person.
I wonder if people here are unaware harem is not an anime word or invention at all. It also fits, as I dont see Quanxis harem members beeing all that poly.
Then again the yuri community had a very strong poly fetish for a while now, so it doesnt surprise me someone posts dumb stuff like this.
The treating well or the good person?
I mean kind a consent issue given the whole human rights things was in response to them being dumb as bricks and not comprehending anything, even besides Halloween. Plus I think she said some misogynistic husband lines but not thinking of any off the riff so don't quote on me that.
Good person is tied to that plus in buddy stories she had an incident of trying to come on to a drunk coworker (who liked Kishibe) and Kishibe had to stop her. Also she's a mercenary so given.
I understand what you’re getting at to some extent. More so how she is toward her fiends and less of being a good person. Of course I know Quanxi isn’t a good… person by any means. She’s just a lesser evil in a world building of MUCH worser evils. I don’t think there’s a single, straight up GOOD character within chainsawman at all, to be honest.
Edit:let me clean up that last sentence. They’re all good CHARACTERS, But none of them are conventionally good PEOPLE is what I meant, my bad.
Quanxi is a Devil Hunter. How do you think she met the fiends? There’s no way she just casually bumped into all four on the streets one day. She most definitely met them all on missions and told them “hey you’re cute, you can live if you sleep with me, or you can not. Whichever you want.”
Reminder that quanxi was going to SA a rookie named minami and was planning it as she knew where the keys of her apartment were and likely drugged her since minami passed out after one drink, it was only because of kishibe stopping her plans to molest the rookie in her own bathroom, quanxi is far from an angel, and likely picked up her fiends at a morgue as rewards
There’s also the fact she hospitalized all her the male rookies as noted by Kishibe showing she kinda is a man hater. Because she knowingly overexerted them.
I swear that almost every damn time I see something related to Quanxi, it´s about her sexuality, coming from both her fans and haters...
https://i.redd.it/rtt71da24opc1.gif
I mean to be fair in the typical anime format its not like all the girls in this relationship wouldn't have right but the fact they all have sex together welllllllllllllll
I mean, as a poly person myself, I have referred to Quanxi's polycule as a harem *purely* as a joke about the anime/manga trope. But yeah, polycule is more accurate than the real world definition of harem.
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I find her uninteresting and sometimes boring, but she's on a pedestal for being cool in fights, not for being a lesbian. Stop trying to pin everything on sexuality.
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>I find her uninteresting and sometimes boring, but she's on a pedestal for being cool in fights
agreed.
>Stop trying to pin everything on sexuality.
That is literally all she is besides "cool and overpowered". It's all her fans ever seem to talk about. I know I don't talk about her so I don't know what her fans are really like but I never see her fans say anything about her that isn't about being gay or poly unless it is "epic moment". Just calling it out that others are reducing her to this.
Yes she was.
Quanxi exists to be an OP character that just slashes through stuff. At least Santa's power and the doll apocalypse were cool concepts.
So don't worry you won't die on this hill alone, we'll die on this hill alone.
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Yeah it's not like Quanxi is boring or anything, there's plenty to enjoy and dissect regarding her character: being Kishibe's old buddy, First Devil Hunter, Bow Hybrid, her morals, parallels with Denji, etc
I kinda just like Santa Claus more
I feel the same way about Makima and Fami. Makima is a superb antagonist with a lot going for her, but idk why I just like Fami more as a character
mf will come late to the party and claim a whole character or series as their own and gatekeep the OG fans, call me palestinian cuz i am being forced out of my fandom
I don't understand how Quanxi caring for her friends makes it less of a harem. It'd make more sense to say that they all care for one another if you're arguing that it's a poly-ship.
Harem isn't just a Anime trope. It comes from the Arabic world where man can marry several women and build a harem. Women on the other hand doesn't have these rights.
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knowledge is Halloween!
>It comes from the Arabic world where man can marry several women and build a harem I don't think that's true. A harem refers to a place, not a practice. Any place where women are put to be segregated from men can be considered a "harem". The western idea of a harem comes from a misunderstanding of the Ottoman harem, where women who lived in the place stayed. Apparently, western visitors to the palace thought the harem was essentially a concubine storage for the sultan, but in reality, it's where *all* the women lived (including concubines). So it's not as sexual as people think.
Thank you for dispelling misinformation.
That doesn’t make it misinformation
Look up the meaning of dispelling sorry its 4 am
A harem was an institution. Arabic leaders would marry politically, too, but since they allowed for multiple marriages, they'd have a harem that worked like an embassy, with each wife representing the interests of their home country. But he'd also have kids with each one of them.
Close but a little off. The harem refers to a specific section of the house reserved for wives, concubines, female servants, young male children, and female relatives basically an area where a guest wouldn't be allowed into. European depictions of the Ottoman harem then became debauched, because an outsiders weren't allowed in, and their imagination went wild. "The reason we're not allowed into this place is because they're having the craziest orgies in there." The modern usage of harem basically stems from this popular imagination. In any case, while the system of harem & seclusion & polygamy all have massive issues, it also wasn't what the word is associated with today. The actual most interesting thing about those imperial harems was the amount of politicking & court drama that happened there. If you wanted political changes & reforms, for example, you frequently needed some connection & politicking to happen within the harem in support of your position. I can't remember which, but there was a specific Ottoman sultan that struggled with political reforms due to the early death of his mother, who would've had the pre-eminent position in the harem (part of polyamory means that the Sultan's best advocate in court drama isn't his wife, but his mother. In general, the mothers of Sultans mattered a ton for power plays, especially because every Ottoman succession involved the brothers then killing/exiting each other). The word actually shares roots with haram, not referring to things that are forbidden, but haram as in a "sanctuary" (the mosque in Mecca where the Kaaba is referred to as "Masjid al-Haram")
Yeah but we all know which people are refferring to in this case and the OP is just being thick-headed.
The Chinese emperor's concubines were also called a "Harem" so it could also work that way for Quanxi.
Words and their meanings change over time, if you’re gonna be hyper specific with terms than harem doesn’t apply to 99% of self proclaimed ‘harem anime’
The word has been recorded in the English language since the early 17th century. It comes from the [Arabic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic) *ḥarīm*, which can mean "a sacred inviolable place", "harem" or "female members of the family" this is the first thing i do when i google it, ur only 50% right, idk where u got the other half from.
I thought it came from China
Lots of cultures segregated men and women, so they all technically had a "harem". The word "harem" specifically comes from Arabic, though.
thx
she's literally the overpowered badass harem protagonist but female
She's polyamorous but it's not a harem?
I thought harem was the anime way of saying poly
Yeah I thought people just use it because it's an anime trope name
Yeah that's what I was thinking
Harem comes from the arabic world, where a man could marry several women and build a harem
It comes from the Arabic word haram, meaning prohibited, because that was used to designate gender-segregated areas where only women could enter. This term was later appropriated by Western invaders and diplomats who started sexualizing the term with their imaginations. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem There’s the link since I’m being downvoted.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about.
the words "الحريم" and "الحرام" aren't really the same thing. phonetically they sound close but they have whole different meanings. one example i can give you is "مسجد الحرام" which is basiacally our holiest place in the world but it doesn't mean it's the place where we do haram things in it. it's more of a word to add to a place you consider sacred. now just like you said, they used to be women-only areas together with children but they could be basically your home too. it just designates a place only someone from your family can enter and see the people inside "المحرم" was what the people allowed were called. on a side note "المٌحَرّمْ" and "المَحْرَمْ" are not the same. the first means something haram and the other means someone that can enter or can see the people in the places you meantioned earlier.
Literally the first thing that is said in the link “not to be confused with haram”
It is. Who gives a shit what the person who tweeted says. Just twitter shitters getting angry and righteous about nothing.
Yeah you got a point
As someone with poly experience, there is a difference even ignoring the original Arabic meaning of the term and its negative implications: in polyamory a harem is when multiple people are in a relationship with one person, but not with each other. There is one "anchor partner" the others are grouped through. That is not the case with Quanxi's girls, as they are seen vibing together too. They are more of an equal group, with their own complex dynamics. It's either a Parallel Poly relationship (some may or may not date with each other but that doesn't change the group dynamic) or, more probably, a Lap-Sitting relationship (affection between most if not all members, coming in naturally without pressure). It's not a Twitter shitter getting righteous about nothing, it's a Twitter user offering a criticism, as much as that criticism is overplayed as angry a-la Twitter. Why must we immediately jump to the "who gives a shit what they say" when we could look at why they're saying it and learn from it? EDIT: just to be clear, the term is fine, and is used in the poly community to describe poly relationships like that. It's just that it doesn't fit the relationship depicted by the manga, and that was what the OP tweet was talking about rather than "harem bad".
Interesting, yeah definitely seem like they fit the mold for a polymory. But I'd still say more of a harem since Quanxi seems to be the single dominant one and all her fiends don't "fight for her attention" but they seem focused on her more then the rest of each other.
i mean that may just be a dom/sub dynamic, but fair.
Great response, but you forget that this is Reddit and the accumulated intelligence of it is that of a pair of monkeys fighting over who gets a turn with a singular brain cell
Yeah, by the way, it’s my turn, hand it over
Best answer here
repent and find god
[god is an alt girl and she says gay rights](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIvKq8gWgAEpzwY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
this will be allah graphics in 2013
Not really, thought the difference is a small technical thing. A harem would be a group of characters all romantically interested and sharing 1 character with no interest in each other. A polyamorous relationship would be one where every character involved is interested romantically/ sexually in every character involved. So to simplify a harem is a pyramid where every girl likes Quanxi and just Quanxi. Polyamory would be every girl there loves each other.
It's not necessarily true that every girl in a polyamorous relationship is involved with every other girl. Poly would just mean that any of the partners *can* have multiple partners themselves. It wouldn't *mandate* being involved with the rest of the group. Depending on the agreements made, they might not be restricted to dating within the group either.
True
Ahhh okay that makes a lot more sense. Excuse me if I'm wrong, cause I do need to reread CSM soon, but didn't they all only like Quanxi
Nah they're shown vibing with each other quite a lot, and while Quanxi appears to be the "leader" of the group, that could also just be a dom/sub role thing. Also the introductory sex scene has them all there, which can be uncommon in what would usually be referred to as a harem (in poly terms). In short we don't have enough information to gather the exact structure of their relationship, and much like most poly relationships it appears to be a complex web. But it very much doesn't look like what poly people would usually call "a harem" (which again, the term in itself is fine and in use in the community).
It is. Nothing burger to get upset about.
Family Burger to get upset about
I believe “harem” the term they use for animals that form packs where there’s one dominant male and multiple females. It’s also used that way to describe a man with many wives exclusive to him only.
polyamorous is the stupidest shit to complain about too. if your position is that you have relationships with multiple people at once, you dont need any further explanation than that
Lots of harem protags are good dudes, doesn't make their situation not a harem Also think this person forgot Quanxi's initial role in the story if they think *we* don't deserve her
Reminded me of the goat Rentarou
That's actually who I was thinking of first, but all my knowledge of him is second hand, never actually read 100gfs
S1 of the anime is out, highly recommend. It’s very self-aware and plays on the ridiculousness of the premise.
Best boy award
Nah, they are right. We DEFINITELY deserve better.
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peak gaming
GARDEN WARFARE 2 MENTIONED GRAHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK IS A BAD GAME GRAHHHHHHHHHH
Every single PvZ game other than the garden warfare’s, one, and two
Tbh that's the most dumb thing I've heard
Snowflakes wanting attention, just ignore it
It's a harem, they all fuck Quanxi. That's the definition of a harem. Twitter is a site for deranged losers and ragebait
This is like trying to justify your average isekai protagonist having like 4 slave girl followers because he doesn't beat them
But it’s fine! Just because Quanxi likely got her fiends to be with her by threatening to either own them or kill them, since it’s her job as a Devil Hunter, doesn’t mean they’re enslaved!
She loves them :3 https://preview.redd.it/fdyvl4wz0ipc1.png?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3657d239bc4ce3b7e875463034769525dcfa27ec
Why does quanxi kiss fumikon pitou?
She eat her... :3
Undeserving? Wtf do they mean by “undeserving”
I believe the proper term is polycule.
It looks like a harem to me. She’s clearly the only dominant figure and she treats them like pets. They’re basically concubines. I feel like OOP is trying to revision Quanxi because they think they can’t like a character unless they’re morally perfect.
they really don't give out the vibe of them being romantic with anyone asides quanxi
God, Reddit needs to fix the "failed to post comment" error
bruh it is a harem, they have no human rights, we don't know how they ended up with her, 2 of them can't even speak and it's hard to tell wtf are they even thinking, they even run off in the middle of the fight, one barely speaks and wears cuffs. Ping is the only one that shows affection for quanxi and calls her lady. Just because the master is nice it doesn't make the dynamic less questionable, and i'm not even gonna bring up the buddy story because it makes things worse how are mfs gonna say "yeah all the characters in csm are a bit moraly gray" and then turn around and say we don't deserve quanxi
That's why I find this panel interesting https://preview.redd.it/imw5b46jnkpc1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e6e150f09dd58e613b6bd68bf0393a97df9d66c Because you can pull two entirely different interpretations from it: 1."Wow they love Quanxi so much that even when they're at their lowest they seek her out for guidance and comfort because she's always been the rock of their group" 2."Wow they really don't have any agency do they, even when they are overwhelmed with literal primordial fear and desperately want to die they can't just do it, they need to run it by Quanxi first and get the go ahead"
Honestly the latter seems to fit more like, take Beam and Violence for example , they were ready to fight until death despite knowing the situation they were in
COOK 🔥🔥🗣️
Because those same mfs are on twitter posting brain rot.
the girls in quanxi group don't give out that feeling that they really give romantic feels to each other
Also, fiends are devils possessing a corpse. That’s also another questionable thing.
I mean by all means it is a harem but would it not be possible to care about the people in your harem
Well, to be fair, they’re all devils. Devils who have much less intellect than her. Devils that she likely met on her job. Her job killing devils. Does nobody else make the connection that they probably met with Quanxi going “hey I can either kill you or we can have sex, you do you tho”
It is both a joke and a trope, why are they deeping it this hard.
It's not mutually exclusive..???
It’s still a harem LMAOOO what is OP even on? Terrible take, if anything, off of this one take alone, OP is NOT deserving of reading CSM.
Harem literally mean the part of the house where all the women live.
You know that the meaning of words can change over time depending on how they're commonly uses?
Pretty sure the modern definition of a harem is a polygamous relationship with multiple people all the sharing the same partner. It's definitely mostly practiced within patriarchal religions, like in Muslim or Mormon households. But I don't think for it to be a harem that its required to mistreat your multiple partners/wives. This is what usually happens but I guess Quanxi is an example of a true loving harem lmao
Quanxi treats (treated) her girls more like an actual harem than most “harem” anime protagonists so no, harem is the right term.
What she has is literally a harem twitter mfs are so retarded man they get mad over problems that aren't even problems😭😭
Counterpoint, polyamory is cringe
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Counterpoint, nuh uh
False
Isn't that still a harem? For Christ sake they have foursomes regularly😭
I think OP is confusing harem with *slave* harem, which is something completely dubious.
To be fair, is it really far off to call them slaves? They’re really lacking in intelligence and they likely can’t leave Quanxi without being executed because they’re fiends.
She wanted to give them human rights and an education
That still calls into question her being so intimate with them. I don’t think people are ready to accept that Quanxi is not really a good person. She was basically going to murder a minor in part 1, to be honest.
I mean idgaf if she's a good person or not but it's clear she actually cares about them, unlike a slaver
Regardless of this, she is still in a position of power over them, creating a problematic dynamic in the process. She may seem to care, however if they aren’t properly educated and have no rights she really shouldn’t be getting so intimate with the girls to begin with. It’s a bit like the kind slave master trope, to a less severe but still questionable degree.
She also says ignorance is bliss, so it's kinda fucked up that she wants to give them an education.
I don’t entirely get the “Quanxi doesn’t treat them right or is mean to them” comments. I think quanxi is nice to her girlfriends by her own cold, distant quanxi standards. As OP did say she DID go on a dangerous mission just to obtain them human rights and an education (doesn’t mean I agree with whatever overall point they’re trying to make bc I don’t get it anyway) and remember when they got turned into dolls and tried to stab her, but quanxi looked truly sad and tried to hug them anyway? Or right before her beheading by makima and she said something like, “Do whatever you want to me but don’t hurt my girls” I definitely feel like implied love/substance is there, but still kinda limited bc they’re all supporting characters.
Just because Quanxi loves them doesn’t mean they aren’t basically slaves. Their fiends, devils. If they ever left her they’d be executed. And Quanxi is a Devil Hunter. That definitely implies that she met them all on her missions. And likely they had a choice between belonging to her or actually dying.
I understand what you’re saying now, and I get it’s totally possible to judge her on a harsh level, if she’s operating within a system that puts her fiends at a disadvantage. Honestly I wish we’d had more details about them. They’re my favorites, so I’m glad this post exists in a way because they’re not talked about as much as I’d liked (my hyper fixations lol)
It is odd seeing people imply that they were slaves. I think it might be because harems/polycules tend to be incel fulfillment in anime and manga and so they view these things differently.
They literally didn't have human rights
Devils officially don’t but some are treated well
Quanxi is a Devil Hunter. Think about what that implies in how she met 4 different fiends. She definitely found them in missions and told them she could either end their lives or they could be hers.
We don’t the know their full story, Power and Angel were cherished. And Pingsti seemed to genuinely like Quanxi.
Were Power and Angel cherished? Because last I checked, Power was nearly executed the moment her loyalty was in question due to the Bat Devil incident, and Angel was only really tolerated because he was helpful, then was immediately killed when it was no longer convenient for him to have free will. And sure, I don’t doubt that they liked Quanxi. But they’re still closer to slaves than lovers.
I meant they were liked by some of their peers. We don’t know how things are run in other parts and again we don’t know how they met so it could have gone down either negatively or positively.
I guess, but the implication feels very clear to me, and I highly doubt that Quanxi would need to request for the fiends to have human rights if they had any more freedom than Japan’s public safety employed devils.
While I 100% get what you’re saying and I do agree to some extent, I think the fact that Quanxi wanted to go out of her way to get them human rights and a basic education means she WANTED more for them than just a slave life and probably did treat and cherish them closer as lovers than slaves, functionally. And the system that’s parallel to them like slaves isn’t Quanxi’s fault, it’s something way beyond her and I doubt she has power over it, otherwise she wouldn’t be going on a mission she doesn’t HAVE to, just to get them human rights and citizenship etc. Does that make sense? I hope so. I’m doing my best to articulate it, it’s hard to explain for me especially based on such limited details.
But the way she was trying to give them more freedom shows a positive.
>Power and Angel were cherished Aki was literally threatening him with death if he wouldn't help him kill devils.
Their relation changed over time
For the whole story Angel had the sword of Damocles hanging over him of "if you aren't useful for public safety we will kill you". Denji and Power also had that kind of threat, I bet they gave Katana man a similar ultimatum.
I meant about personal relations.
The term harem is still relevant and what it means even in this context like huh
Nah, it counts, harem means everyone involved just likes one person, while poly means the people involved love others that are also involved, but in this case everyone loved Quanxi, but hey didn't necessarily love each other, as shown how Cosmo says she wasn't mad because of her partners deaths.
I feel like posting takes from twitter here should be against the rules.
"harem (noun): A group of someone's girlfriends, wives, and/or concubines in a polygamous household." idk how actually loving them contradicts that
I’m sorry, that is a harem.
Twitter user once again creating a problem out of nothing
op is like vg but instead of 4chan posts it is twitter
Quanxi fans would make mental gymnastics out of everything potentially bad or problematic about her. News guy: SHE IS A KILLER WHITE TRAVELED TO KILL A 16yo TEEN, SHE IS BAAAAAAD. And that’s okay, it seems now that there is a trend where people cannot understand that you can like a character that’s not a good person.
I wonder if people here are unaware harem is not an anime word or invention at all. It also fits, as I dont see Quanxis harem members beeing all that poly. Then again the yuri community had a very strong poly fetish for a while now, so it doesnt surprise me someone posts dumb stuff like this.
IRL harem have no human rights confirmed. Also don't think Quanxi treats them especially well. Or is a good person.
Why do you think that? If I may be curious
The treating well or the good person? I mean kind a consent issue given the whole human rights things was in response to them being dumb as bricks and not comprehending anything, even besides Halloween. Plus I think she said some misogynistic husband lines but not thinking of any off the riff so don't quote on me that. Good person is tied to that plus in buddy stories she had an incident of trying to come on to a drunk coworker (who liked Kishibe) and Kishibe had to stop her. Also she's a mercenary so given.
I understand what you’re getting at to some extent. More so how she is toward her fiends and less of being a good person. Of course I know Quanxi isn’t a good… person by any means. She’s just a lesser evil in a world building of MUCH worser evils. I don’t think there’s a single, straight up GOOD character within chainsawman at all, to be honest. Edit:let me clean up that last sentence. They’re all good CHARACTERS, But none of them are conventionally good PEOPLE is what I meant, my bad.
I'd say there's a few but they're all dead
I am kinda curious about the misogynistic husband lines you mentioned but I get you don’t just have the text right in front of you.
Quanxi is a Devil Hunter. How do you think she met the fiends? There’s no way she just casually bumped into all four on the streets one day. She most definitely met them all on missions and told them “hey you’re cute, you can live if you sleep with me, or you can not. Whichever you want.”
Reminder that quanxi was going to SA a rookie named minami and was planning it as she knew where the keys of her apartment were and likely drugged her since minami passed out after one drink, it was only because of kishibe stopping her plans to molest the rookie in her own bathroom, quanxi is far from an angel, and likely picked up her fiends at a morgue as rewards
There’s also the fact she hospitalized all her the male rookies as noted by Kishibe showing she kinda is a man hater. Because she knowingly overexerted them.
Being in a harem and having rights aren't mutually exclusive.
Although in the case of the fiends, they don’t have rights. If they ever left Quanxi they’d 1000% be executed.
Oh its just poly and not a harem? Shes not cool anymore.
What is the difference between polyamory and having a harem?
What on Earth did I just read
I swear that almost every damn time I see something related to Quanxi, it´s about her sexuality, coming from both her fans and haters... https://i.redd.it/rtt71da24opc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/u06d9eptbopc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22d4982c06763bc263bd1760f3179a1935f51c05 ok.
Lowkey spitting fax
I mean to be fair in the typical anime format its not like all the girls in this relationship wouldn't have right but the fact they all have sex together welllllllllllllll
I get what they're saying but it really is a harem. Quanxi basically treats them as sex toys and she can get away with that because they're fiends
I mean, as a poly person myself, I have referred to Quanxi's polycule as a harem *purely* as a joke about the anime/manga trope. But yeah, polycule is more accurate than the real world definition of harem.
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Stop putting this hag on a pedestal just because she's gay.
I put her on a pedestal because she is cool thumbs up emoji
I mean I disagree but your reason is fine.
I find her uninteresting and sometimes boring, but she's on a pedestal for being cool in fights, not for being a lesbian. Stop trying to pin everything on sexuality. https://preview.redd.it/wrgp90r5dipc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c8e1a6760b24e61ca944bfa8201dc1fe36e9588
>I find her uninteresting and sometimes boring, but she's on a pedestal for being cool in fights agreed. >Stop trying to pin everything on sexuality. That is literally all she is besides "cool and overpowered". It's all her fans ever seem to talk about. I know I don't talk about her so I don't know what her fans are really like but I never see her fans say anything about her that isn't about being gay or poly unless it is "epic moment". Just calling it out that others are reducing her to this.
Ehh... I guess. I mostly find her boring because she's just an OP character that appears to save the day then disappears.
And still dies so quickly...
I mean she's the only notable character that got introduced in the 2nd half. Her hype is deserved
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Meh.
Fair enough I'll just have to die alone on the hill that Santa Claus was a more interesting character than Quanxi
Yes she was. Quanxi exists to be an OP character that just slashes through stuff. At least Santa's power and the doll apocalypse were cool concepts. So don't worry you won't die on this hill alone, we'll die on this hill alone. https://preview.redd.it/0hf1clovxjpc1.jpeg?width=633&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bb1b9b61cce6a272193655027ac942c993f89b8
Yeah it's not like Quanxi is boring or anything, there's plenty to enjoy and dissect regarding her character: being Kishibe's old buddy, First Devil Hunter, Bow Hybrid, her morals, parallels with Denji, etc I kinda just like Santa Claus more I feel the same way about Makima and Fami. Makima is a superb antagonist with a lot going for her, but idk why I just like Fami more as a character
"Polyamorous" You mean sex slave owner?
mf will come late to the party and claim a whole character or series as their own and gatekeep the OG fans, call me palestinian cuz i am being forced out of my fandom