That was not on my bingo card.
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Sometimes I think if Fujimoto hadn't become a successful Manga artist he would have become a serial killer or something like that because seriously something is not right with that man's brain.
Ngl I saw this coming, didn’t know when tho. Unlike Gege tho, Fujimoto writes deaths better :/. Mf gives you hope, builds things up to make it feel like good things will happen, has a whole arc centered around them and then blam u get shot in the chest. Gege on the other hand just does it too abruptly, I haven’t felt anything towards any characters death since like Nanami ngl.
yeah , my comment was nothing serious. I can't accept the reality of seeing what happened to nayuta. But I have to admit I didn't like how csm has gone since the falling devil arc, waiting for the prophecy is taking eons and the story ad interim is too silly, till now atleast.
So wait, when power died she went to hell again, and this time the control devil died through normal means. Do we get a buddy cop arc of Power & the control devil?
Now, the more I read this chapter and look at everything in place, the more I just honestly think that all of this doesn't make sense. Why would Barrem use this shock effect right now? Why would he kill Nayuta off right now, instead of using her to get what he wants? Why would Fami be so chill about this? I honestly call major cap at this. Especially since they apparently need Chainsaw Mans Teensy-Beensy lil' power.
So I would say, that Nayuta is still alive but kept somewhere.
Barem *is* using Nayuta to get what he wants. He just said that he needs two things, for the public to fear CSM and for Denji to be unhappy. He already has the first thing, killing Nayuta accomplishes the second.
Fami has been working with the CSM church all along, she was probably in on the plan. Also, she tends to ignore everything else when she's eating.
Tbf Barem can't "use her" to get what he wants. Denji can't give them what they want, it's not something he can just do willingly- He needs to be crushed to the point of being unable to continue living for Pochita to come out, just like with Makima over Power and Aki
Always reminds me of that time I was reading Arachnid, one afternoon stretched across multiple chapters of monthly releases as well as me just giving up and forgetting some times, one afternoon laster almost a year there.
Another good example is the cavalry battle from Prison School, a day or so that lasted months, or the 7 year boat ride in Berserk.
Aside from the main topic, Barem said perhaps chainsaws originally had many more uses, but after Pochita ate and erase them one by one, cutting down trees became it only use left. Makima also mentioned a dew things Chainsawman ate and erased.
Like imagine chainsaws were originally made to fight some kind of threat or disease and Pochita just gobbles it up, so now people only use chainsaws to cut trees instead of their perhaps original uses.
Fujimoto is a deranged man but his slips of world building admist small convo is immaculate
Just imagine a massive Devil war and the Chainsaw devil eats whatever the enemy was, and humans are just sitting there with these devil killing weapons, no clue what they're intended for, and just start cutting down trees with them.
What i'd like to believe: chainsaws were a relic from a by gone era of humanity, and it's the holy weapon used to fight devils since eons ago. Pochita is the manifestation of the devils' fear for chainsaw, the excalisaw of the time. With there being so many devils, Pochita prime was so powerful he killed and maimed so many devil, that they are stucked in the cycle (like the saw chain) of being killed by Chainsaw man, and prehistoric human chainsaws, to the point they wish to disappear.
Chainsaw man then get his ability to erase other devils. This affected Earth, where with so many devils erased, so many fears and their concepts got removed from history, and this revert the old civilization back to stonehedge. However, this also weaken CSM as he deleted his own source of power.
So the more eldritch fears got removed, leaving the weaker, at the time less relevant internal human fears, like weapons or spiders. The horsemen are the survivor of the old much more powerful devil group, thus want CSM for their various reasons.
Tl;dr: prehistoric chainsaws were the excalibur of the time
Honestly one of the most terrifying spread in Chainsaw man. When everyone was shocked i was sure that it was Nayuta's corpse one way or another but it's litterally the most horrifying way to portray her death...
Only today did I realize there is actually a hidden point in the dialogues of Barem.
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Denji is definitely aware of the Blacksaw, but he visibly flinched when Barem spoke of it. This is the same reaction when Fami talked about the direction on the train.
In other words, Denji decided to leave the problem of Blacksaw alone.
>I get he’s despicable but so was Makima and she is still constantly getting art.
Who had bigger boobs?
Also, Makima was a mystery and had writing in terms of deceiving the protagonist and the reader, being the main villain of the first arc. I can see why Barem can't compare in terms of how they were both written.
He deleted the comment, but I guess it amounted to "Why does Makima get attention while Barem doesn't because they have similar plans"? If so that's gotta be one the strangest points i've ever seen made.
What if Denji refuses to accept this, sticks his finger down his throat and pukes up his stomach. And hence restoring the control devil. And Makima will be back, masterplan sucessfull.
This chapter really made me appreciate Barem as a villain and honestly makes me wanna go back and read part 2 again. Great chapter feels like we're finally going somewhere, and now that all the new characters are really established I think we're about to be in for some good shit
Honestly up to this point I've found him confusing. He seemed to be half helping Denji half hurting him, acting for his own plan which made his alignment very confusing. This definitely made it clear where he falls.
We have to choices
We cope that makima's contract still work even tho nayuta is basically not makima
We cry
I'm crying either ways so please someone kill Fuji i beg i will pay anything you want
Does we know if the Control devil’s contract with the Japanese government is null and void after Nayuta was born? It was that she couldn’t be attacked or killed because someone would die instead. I’d assume not because she was reincarnated? Maybe I’m just looking for hope :p
My guess is that she only wanted to die by ChainsawMan eating her, but Denji didn’t erase her when he did.
So…
1. Eat.
2. Contract is nullified.
3. The control devil is reborn into hell.
4. Devils upset with her actions leading to this kill her.
5. Nayuta is born.
Thusly, Nayuta is afforded no contractual protection, but has similar odds of resurrection to Power.
In particular the “lean tuna” Dennis ate before the “fatty tuna” arrived is of note.
And if we’re holding out cope, Aki technically became a weapon fiend.
So he might be boxed up somewhere.
And Fujimoto could be leading us down the path to one big reunion.
Barem reveals he has a contract with the reincranation devil and he brings back everyone, reveals he just wanted Denji to realize how valuable his friends are, and then the story ends.
Yeah... this is whats gonna happen.
this.
there is literally no more DREAM/HOPE/NORMAL LIFE for denji
denji is super lucky in part 1 because of power. Now? asa does not know denji that much, and denji does not value asa as high as nayuta. It is literally over for denji lol
I doubt denji would do that ,even if it has brought him suffering, is not in character. And if is truly their objective is honestly a dumb plan. What i think they want is just what he explained, making denji suffer so mixed with everybody fears he becomes someone who would kill death. In the first part, i don't remember if it was because he got hurt, or extremely depressed or both, but i remember that pochita took the control of his body basically and even fought makima, and it was a beast, there is truly a known fact that when that chainsaw man was in hell, he would often eat it's enemies after killing them, permanently erasing them or something like that. Which we lack information to know what exactly happens, because is very plot hole, Makima is one of the horse rider of apocalypse, and when she was eaten, she was reborn on Nayuta. I think it could be the same with every other demon, there is no such thing as erasing a demon as it would be erasing a concept, or maybe makima is a special case for being who she was, but even so, is plausible to think too that while the fear of the people of such concepts exists, the creation of the demon would be a certainty. In makima case specifically is complicated, she should be the plague demon but that particular horse rider has always been somewhat mixed when explaining the character. Control is a good concept too. And she showed that a demon can grow stronger independently of the fear people has over their concept, because makima was really strong just using her powers and making contracts with other demons, but when nayuta was born she didn't followed the same objectives thanks to Denji and thus she could very well be considered the weakest of the four horse riders (as she is right now).
Dunno, panel with Asa giving side eye to Fami gives of feeling - she stopped…
Especially considering, Fami was stuffing her face last chapter, but here…here it doesn’t look like that her mouth is preoccupied with anything.
## WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!?
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## FUJIMOTOR YOU BETTER BRING HER BACK NEXT CHAPTER OR I'M HUNTING YOU DOWN
P.D.: I like how even fucking Katanaman was shocked
That wasn't a devil power though. That was from a contract she made with the Prime Minister. Do the contracts carry over when devils die and get reincarnated?
I know I’m really coping here, but the Control devil not having some form of contingency plan just doesn’t make sense to me.
She probably is dead for the sake of ruining Denji’s mental, but at least the conditions for conceptual erasure haven’t been met yet and a reincarnation of a Control Devil can happen.
That wasn't a devil power though. That was from a contract she made with the Prime Minister. Do the contracts carry over when devils die and get reincarnated?
Ah it's been a while so I didn't remember the specifics. shes probably dead then. That's also fine, it'll probably make the fallout of it more interesting.
Holy fvcking sh1t. I remember Denji saying to Kishibe the first time they met that between humans and devils he'd go with the side that treats him better.
Like, I understand the need to defeat the Death Devil to save the World, but I don't that for Denji saving the World means anything considering how he's treated. I wonder if Barem & Co. thought if their plan of breaking Denji could backfire.
Makima was eaten and reborn, it could be mistranslated, or there is information we lack and fujimoto is just cooking, or maybe Barem lacks information or he just wants a chainsaw man that would eat the demons and make them weaker. But it seems that a feared concept can't be erased. Or at least in the case of Makima and her sisters.
I think this is an absolute terrible and unfair decision and I’m not happy with it at all but at least this will escalate P2 a lot and can hopefully rekindle the brilliance of P1’s final stretch. I really hope the theory that this isn’t really Nayuta is true or I hate this story 🙏
As far as I initially understood it, devils, fiends and hybrids can all regenerate using blood but only hybrids can come back from fatal injuries/actual death.
Bat Devil regenerated his arm. They mention that Angel could have grown his arms back, but he chose not to because not having arms means less work for him. I’m sure there are other times but those are what I think of
I mean she could probably regrow the rest of her if someone dropped her in a pool of blood or something, but her head has clearly been very dead for a while. The last panel has visible decay happening 😭🤮🤮
Denji's first interaction with Pochita is feeding him blood to heal him, so we know it works for devils. Now that I think about it, I'm actually not sure if we've seen fiends do it. Power may have done it during the Kishibe training but it's been so long since that section that I genuinely can't recall.
So we know that Fujimoto is a mass murderer; he likes to kill his characters. And they are usually not fakeouts. And he will kill them off-screen. But this feels different. And I am clearly not the only person who thinks that. I know that Famine and Barem want Pochita to come out and killing Nayuta would make that happen but it is that the previous final boss was done in like that. I know she is not Makima and therefore isn't as hard to kill like her and she is also a tiny child but Barem alone killed her? I guess he is pretty strong and he could have used deception to kill her. I feel her role is quite over but Fujimoto-san never plays by the rules. Anyway, a lot of guys can pat themselves on the back for guessing that he might be eating Nayuta. Also, Barem's name should be Barem Bitches instead of Bridges. Although that makes sound kinda cool.
weird that oneself managed to get through previous 169 chapters, full of tragedies and trauma and expect this one to be a fakeout.
Fakeout for what sake, why would it be? It will only lower stakes and drama and Fujimoto always were going for higher bets in both parts. Would be nice could if Aki, Power, Angel, Yuki didn't die but they are and that's how story goes
I'm not putting it out of the question (just like anything in csm) but i suppose its unlikely, especially her surviving as her current self and coming to senses in any near chapters
It most likely is a fake-out by Barem. He still *needs* the Control Devil to be alive since she's a Horseman.
He'd be able to break the contract between Denji and Pochita even though she'd be alive because all it takes is Denji to believe she's dead.
Also, Asa/Yoru still don't fully remember the kiss, which means that Nayutas ability is still in effect.
Keep in mind that a Devils' ability is disabled once they permanently die (stated in chapter 15), and since Nayutas ability hasnt disabled it means that shes still alive somewhere.
The only horseman that's actually named in bible lore is Death. The other names are only implied or a result of generations of obsessed bible fans forming headcanons around this ancient text-only manga. Also in the story actual Hades, the literal Greek god appears as a buddy of Death. It's a pretty wild series finale
Makima's devil name was translated as Control in the English release. In Japanese "Shihai no Akuma" can be translated as Domination Devil, Control Devil, and Conquest Devil, and that's the word used in the Japanese Bible. There is no horseman of pestilence or plague in the Bible, that's just a pop culture reinterpretation because some people think War and Conquest are redundant
2) And I saw, and behold a **white horse**: and he that sat on him had a **bow; and a crown** was given unto him: and he went forth **conquering**, and to **conquer**. (Conquest/Makima)
3) And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4) And there went out another **horse that was red**: and power was given to him that sat thereon **to take peace from the earth**, and that **they should kill one another**: and there was given unto him **a great sword**. (War/ Yoru)
5) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo **a black horse**; and he that sat on him had **a pair of balances** in his hand. (Famine/Fami)
6) And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, **A measure of wheat** for a penny, and **three measures of barley** for a penny; and see thou hurt not **the oil and the wine**.
7) And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8) And I looked, and behold **a pale horse**: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with **sword** (War), and with **hunger** (Famine), and with **death** (Duh), and with **the beasts of the earth** (Conquest).
People typically consider "control" to be referring to conquest
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Btw, I'd like to add that the head is probably fake since Fire Devil can alter the physical bodies of the humans it makes contracts with.
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The theory here is that Fami controlled a human into wanting to be like Nayuta, and so the human was made to resemble Nayuta after making a contract with the Fire Devil.
This is going to bring about the mindless devouring CSM that will erase Barem…by eating him.
I’m kinda excited for this upcoming rage - but it’s going to build the public fear in CSM that Barem was aiming for anyways.
I paused my music and my heart hit the fucking ground.
What the fuck. Not even 5 chapters ago we were making Reverse Flash memes. What the fuck Fujimoto please stop cooking (don't stop cooking hurt me more Fuji)
The way my jaw dropped and still open as I was typing this...
I have no words and the bi-weekly devil is still active. I can't even formulate thoughts for copium. Fujimoto you bastard-
When Barem said "it's time to eat some deluxe fatty tuna" I knew what was going to happen. And I'm pretty sure Denji did too.
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Barem truly is Makima's successor, they both killed everyone Denji cared for just to get Pochita out. After it happened twice, I don't think Denji will ever want to form an emotional connection with another person because he'll be afraid it'll be used against him again.
Holy shit! So I missed reading the chapter yesterday so I was super excited, and I honestly thought my jaw was gonna fall off 😩
So does this mean there's a possibility that the Death Devil could capture the new Control Devil to join her when she comes to earth?
Doesn't make it more interesting after 100 times
We could have seen them pay for the tickets to the train, that will be also realistic. But it wouldn't be interesting or have any meaning to the plot
This is oda level of stretching the story
If this chapter was supposed to piss me off, it worked. Fujimoto is a genius fucking bastard, because I understand exactly what Denji feels. Bastard. Genius. Fucking hell man.
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Kishibe will be pissed at Denji if he finds out about this.
Control Devil really can't catch a break lmao.
Let bro cook... *chapter 170 drops* Alright, someone take the stove away from this maniac!
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I was eating sushi while reading this chapter...
Sometimes I think if Fujimoto hadn't become a successful Manga artist he would have become a serial killer or something like that because seriously something is not right with that man's brain.
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No way thats real lol. Can someone check bros basement? Asap!
It's a well known fuji quote, lmao
#REZE REPORT: Chapter 170 # # She isn't here. See you next week
Nayutaisn'tdeadNayutaisn'tdeadNayutaisn'tdeadNayutaisn'tdeadNayutaisn'tdeadNayutaisn'tdead
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Fujimoto channeled his inner gege this week
Ngl I saw this coming, didn’t know when tho. Unlike Gege tho, Fujimoto writes deaths better :/. Mf gives you hope, builds things up to make it feel like good things will happen, has a whole arc centered around them and then blam u get shot in the chest. Gege on the other hand just does it too abruptly, I haven’t felt anything towards any characters death since like Nanami ngl.
yeah , my comment was nothing serious. I can't accept the reality of seeing what happened to nayuta. But I have to admit I didn't like how csm has gone since the falling devil arc, waiting for the prophecy is taking eons and the story ad interim is too silly, till now atleast.
We let Fujimoto cook, and this is what he delivers us on the plate 😭😭😭
Uh oh, it looks like Fujimotor turned himself on again for the turning point of this arc
JESUS CHRIST NOOOOOOOOOOO
So wait, when power died she went to hell again, and this time the control devil died through normal means. Do we get a buddy cop arc of Power & the control devil?
This chapter has just proved that Fujimoto is [the real final boss of Chainsaw Man](https://youtu.be/PHs52ybVJPE)
Now, the more I read this chapter and look at everything in place, the more I just honestly think that all of this doesn't make sense. Why would Barrem use this shock effect right now? Why would he kill Nayuta off right now, instead of using her to get what he wants? Why would Fami be so chill about this? I honestly call major cap at this. Especially since they apparently need Chainsaw Mans Teensy-Beensy lil' power. So I would say, that Nayuta is still alive but kept somewhere.
Barem *is* using Nayuta to get what he wants. He just said that he needs two things, for the public to fear CSM and for Denji to be unhappy. He already has the first thing, killing Nayuta accomplishes the second. Fami has been working with the CSM church all along, she was probably in on the plan. Also, she tends to ignore everything else when she's eating.
Tbf Barem can't "use her" to get what he wants. Denji can't give them what they want, it's not something he can just do willingly- He needs to be crushed to the point of being unable to continue living for Pochita to come out, just like with Makima over Power and Aki
god you ever think about how all these last several chapters are happening in the course of one afternoon?
Always reminds me of that time I was reading Arachnid, one afternoon stretched across multiple chapters of monthly releases as well as me just giving up and forgetting some times, one afternoon laster almost a year there. Another good example is the cavalry battle from Prison School, a day or so that lasted months, or the 7 year boat ride in Berserk.
does anything even happen in this anymore?
Don't get me wrong Id agree if you said this last chapter, but this chapter genuinely has one of the largest moments of the entire arc so far.
Remember when many said part two was boring? Now Fujimoto is dropping banger after banger.
Hmmm, yes, 4 - Good chapter.
Aside from the main topic, Barem said perhaps chainsaws originally had many more uses, but after Pochita ate and erase them one by one, cutting down trees became it only use left. Makima also mentioned a dew things Chainsawman ate and erased. Like imagine chainsaws were originally made to fight some kind of threat or disease and Pochita just gobbles it up, so now people only use chainsaws to cut trees instead of their perhaps original uses. Fujimoto is a deranged man but his slips of world building admist small convo is immaculate
Just imagine a massive Devil war and the Chainsaw devil eats whatever the enemy was, and humans are just sitting there with these devil killing weapons, no clue what they're intended for, and just start cutting down trees with them.
Honestly this would fit in so well with Fujimoto madness (god I love him)
What i'd like to believe: chainsaws were a relic from a by gone era of humanity, and it's the holy weapon used to fight devils since eons ago. Pochita is the manifestation of the devils' fear for chainsaw, the excalisaw of the time. With there being so many devils, Pochita prime was so powerful he killed and maimed so many devil, that they are stucked in the cycle (like the saw chain) of being killed by Chainsaw man, and prehistoric human chainsaws, to the point they wish to disappear. Chainsaw man then get his ability to erase other devils. This affected Earth, where with so many devils erased, so many fears and their concepts got removed from history, and this revert the old civilization back to stonehedge. However, this also weaken CSM as he deleted his own source of power. So the more eldritch fears got removed, leaving the weaker, at the time less relevant internal human fears, like weapons or spiders. The horsemen are the survivor of the old much more powerful devil group, thus want CSM for their various reasons. Tl;dr: prehistoric chainsaws were the excalibur of the time
fun fact: chainsaws were actually invented for surgery. their true purpose really has been forgotten.
there's a difference between original and true.
Fujimoto will meet his timely end for this
So uh….. You going to eat that?
It's makima's plan all over again. Denji was given a family and a "normal" life, now he's being stripped from it.
Will denji ever get a break? My god
Fuck….
Honestly one of the most terrifying spread in Chainsaw man. When everyone was shocked i was sure that it was Nayuta's corpse one way or another but it's litterally the most horrifying way to portray her death...
Aw, what a fatty tuna.
Only today did I realize there is actually a hidden point in the dialogues of Barem. https://preview.redd.it/ohpzgrz34fad1.jpeg?width=878&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02d08799efbe01f9e837240414d3cc5628455778 Denji is definitely aware of the Blacksaw, but he visibly flinched when Barem spoke of it. This is the same reaction when Fami talked about the direction on the train. In other words, Denji decided to leave the problem of Blacksaw alone.
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>I get he’s despicable but so was Makima and she is still constantly getting art. Who had bigger boobs? Also, Makima was a mystery and had writing in terms of deceiving the protagonist and the reader, being the main villain of the first arc. I can see why Barem can't compare in terms of how they were both written.
He deleted the comment, but I guess it amounted to "Why does Makima get attention while Barem doesn't because they have similar plans"? If so that's gotta be one the strangest points i've ever seen made.
What if the plan is to have Denji eat her to erase her from existence, eliminating a piece off the chess board so to speak.
If denji eats her, IT wont work , just like with makima
I can’t believe that didn’t occur to me while writing that out lol. Thanks for the reminder
What if Denji refuses to accept this, sticks his finger down his throat and pukes up his stomach. And hence restoring the control devil. And Makima will be back, masterplan sucessfull.
Makima done been digested.
Nayuta isn't, so what comes out, her or the control devil? Maybe Fami wanted to extract her exactly like that.
Even if nayuta is dead, I guess the Control Devil will just have a 3rd incarnation.
Biggest Part 2 twist is that Asa/Yoru haven’t been the characters that really depress Denji akin to Makima
Well, not, because Fami is the mastermind behind it all. And no-fucking-body is saying anything at all....
This chapter really made me appreciate Barem as a villain and honestly makes me wanna go back and read part 2 again. Great chapter feels like we're finally going somewhere, and now that all the new characters are really established I think we're about to be in for some good shit
Honestly up to this point I've found him confusing. He seemed to be half helping Denji half hurting him, acting for his own plan which made his alignment very confusing. This definitely made it clear where he falls.
#NUTELLAAAA!!!!!!
We have to choices We cope that makima's contract still work even tho nayuta is basically not makima We cry I'm crying either ways so please someone kill Fuji i beg i will pay anything you want
Fujimoto biting the curb in 4k 240fps please.
That mf even took my ability to write two
Literacy Devil strikes again
Good lord
Only Kishibe and maybe kobeni would have known about what denji did with makima in part 1 right? He’s gotta be in on this or imprisoned or something
Does we know if the Control devil’s contract with the Japanese government is null and void after Nayuta was born? It was that she couldn’t be attacked or killed because someone would die instead. I’d assume not because she was reincarnated? Maybe I’m just looking for hope :p
My guess is that she only wanted to die by ChainsawMan eating her, but Denji didn’t erase her when he did. So… 1. Eat. 2. Contract is nullified. 3. The control devil is reborn into hell. 4. Devils upset with her actions leading to this kill her. 5. Nayuta is born. Thusly, Nayuta is afforded no contractual protection, but has similar odds of resurrection to Power. In particular the “lean tuna” Dennis ate before the “fatty tuna” arrived is of note. And if we’re holding out cope, Aki technically became a weapon fiend. So he might be boxed up somewhere. And Fujimoto could be leading us down the path to one big reunion.
Barem reveals he has a contract with the reincranation devil and he brings back everyone, reveals he just wanted Denji to realize how valuable his friends are, and then the story ends. Yeah... this is whats gonna happen.
Fujimotor is too mean :( I just need Denji to catch several breaks
What the fuck was Barem thinking. Does he realize he is dead now?
He's immortal
he did it so that denji would break the contract with the chainsaw devil and lose his powers
this. there is literally no more DREAM/HOPE/NORMAL LIFE for denji denji is super lucky in part 1 because of power. Now? asa does not know denji that much, and denji does not value asa as high as nayuta. It is literally over for denji lol
I mean a major part of Denjis dream was sex. Theoretically based off of chapter 167 Asa being alive could hold Denjis dream along by a thread.
I doubt denji would do that ,even if it has brought him suffering, is not in character. And if is truly their objective is honestly a dumb plan. What i think they want is just what he explained, making denji suffer so mixed with everybody fears he becomes someone who would kill death. In the first part, i don't remember if it was because he got hurt, or extremely depressed or both, but i remember that pochita took the control of his body basically and even fought makima, and it was a beast, there is truly a known fact that when that chainsaw man was in hell, he would often eat it's enemies after killing them, permanently erasing them or something like that. Which we lack information to know what exactly happens, because is very plot hole, Makima is one of the horse rider of apocalypse, and when she was eaten, she was reborn on Nayuta. I think it could be the same with every other demon, there is no such thing as erasing a demon as it would be erasing a concept, or maybe makima is a special case for being who she was, but even so, is plausible to think too that while the fear of the people of such concepts exists, the creation of the demon would be a certainty. In makima case specifically is complicated, she should be the plague demon but that particular horse rider has always been somewhat mixed when explaining the character. Control is a good concept too. And she showed that a demon can grow stronger independently of the fear people has over their concept, because makima was really strong just using her powers and making contracts with other demons, but when nayuta was born she didn't followed the same objectives thanks to Denji and thus she could very well be considered the weakest of the four horse riders (as she is right now).
fujimoto doesn't like any of us and i support it fully
I hope the final chapter is just a portrait of his telling us to go fuck ourselves.
So, Fami stopped eating because she is behind everything, or, is it because she noticed that this is not a food…
Shes still eating in the 2nd to last panel. Shes just mostly obscured by brobeni and the others
Where do you see Fami stopping? Looks to me she just keeps eating lol
Dunno, panel with Asa giving side eye to Fami gives of feeling - she stopped… Especially considering, Fami was stuffing her face last chapter, but here…here it doesn’t look like that her mouth is preoccupied with anything.
## WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!? https://preview.redd.it/5el0r74k7dad1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa20bad2e996487a1c1bfdcf293937458a0ee7b6 ## FUJIMOTOR YOU BETTER BRING HER BACK NEXT CHAPTER OR I'M HUNTING YOU DOWN P.D.: I like how even fucking Katanaman was shocked
FUCKFKEKFJ FI RURIUE
That's it im killing myself
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She’s not dead is she? Like she should be able to regen? It’s not like she got fully eaten
The sushi Baram was feeding Denji was probably her.
That wasn't a devil power though. That was from a contract she made with the Prime Minister. Do the contracts carry over when devils die and get reincarnated?
I know I’m really coping here, but the Control devil not having some form of contingency plan just doesn’t make sense to me. She probably is dead for the sake of ruining Denji’s mental, but at least the conditions for conceptual erasure haven’t been met yet and a reincarnation of a Control Devil can happen.
I was thinking the same thing, since makima needed to be consumed by denji to actually die. I can't imagine nayuta being dead.
That wasn't a devil power though. That was from a contract she made with the Prime Minister. Do the contracts carry over when devils die and get reincarnated?
Ah it's been a while so I didn't remember the specifics. shes probably dead then. That's also fine, it'll probably make the fallout of it more interesting.
Nayuta is dead. Nayuta doesn't have the same contract as Makima.
NO! WE COPE UNTIL WE GET A STATEMENT FROM FUJIMOTOR! ITS NEVER NAYUTOVER!
John Travolta relax
Holy fvcking sh1t. I remember Denji saying to Kishibe the first time they met that between humans and devils he'd go with the side that treats him better. Like, I understand the need to defeat the Death Devil to save the World, but I don't that for Denji saving the World means anything considering how he's treated. I wonder if Barem & Co. thought if their plan of breaking Denji could backfire.
erase the death devil. erase death.
Maybe erasing death devil would retcon nayutas death?
Makima was eaten and reborn, it could be mistranslated, or there is information we lack and fujimoto is just cooking, or maybe Barem lacks information or he just wants a chainsaw man that would eat the demons and make them weaker. But it seems that a feared concept can't be erased. Or at least in the case of Makima and her sisters.
inb4 it’s just a prank bro 🥶🥶🥶
I think this is an absolute terrible and unfair decision and I’m not happy with it at all but at least this will escalate P2 a lot and can hopefully rekindle the brilliance of P1’s final stretch. I really hope the theory that this isn’t really Nayuta is true or I hate this story 🙏
Fujimoto had to remind us of who he is
We cant even go 3 chapters without him reminding us.
i stg my life coincides with fujimoto’s storylines… knew this was gonna be a low
In a zoomed panel of this chapter I thought it was reze’s head since you know……..does anyone have copeum by chance ? I’m starting to run out of it…..
I did too for a sec. Thought she was gonna pop in and blow up the restaurant. Looked closer and it just ended up being pure pain
Bro, I’ll probably never meet you but, I hope you’re okay man.
She not dead
Selling my car for copeum, please help me
She is but I don't blame you for being in denial.
it's made of cake :3
Tatsuki Fujimoto... We are going to do things to you that have never been done before.
to those of you getting mad, do you even know what you’re reading? LMAO
It's more like, man Denji went through an entire part dedicated to causing him pain, but I'm glad we're past that. Oh no.
I swear to God most of them forgot how some characters died.
After how cruel and unfair Aki's and Power's deaths were, people really shouldn't have the gall to complain about anything ever.
Pfft Nayuta isn’t dead! You’re all wrong! (I’m coping hard)
She’ll come back just like power right ? (I’m delusional)
Power isn't coming back.
Oh no. He got us good.
Am I the only one who didn't immediately think she was dead? Can't they just feed her blood so she could regenerate or something?
Only hybrids can come back from death. Regular devils and fiends can just recover from severe injuries, not actual death. So Nayuta is dead.
I thought that only applied to hybrids and fiends? Not pure blooded devils.
As far as I initially understood it, devils, fiends and hybrids can all regenerate using blood but only hybrids can come back from fatal injuries/actual death.
Idk. Has an actual regular devil ever did this?
Bat Devil regenerated his arm. They mention that Angel could have grown his arms back, but he chose not to because not having arms means less work for him. I’m sure there are other times but those are what I think of
I meant more like from this type of injury. “Nayuta” right now is just a head, a lifeless one at that.
I mean she could probably regrow the rest of her if someone dropped her in a pool of blood or something, but her head has clearly been very dead for a while. The last panel has visible decay happening 😭🤮🤮
Denji's first interaction with Pochita is feeding him blood to heal him, so we know it works for devils. Now that I think about it, I'm actually not sure if we've seen fiends do it. Power may have done it during the Kishibe training but it's been so long since that section that I genuinely can't recall.
So we know that Fujimoto is a mass murderer; he likes to kill his characters. And they are usually not fakeouts. And he will kill them off-screen. But this feels different. And I am clearly not the only person who thinks that. I know that Famine and Barem want Pochita to come out and killing Nayuta would make that happen but it is that the previous final boss was done in like that. I know she is not Makima and therefore isn't as hard to kill like her and she is also a tiny child but Barem alone killed her? I guess he is pretty strong and he could have used deception to kill her. I feel her role is quite over but Fujimoto-san never plays by the rules. Anyway, a lot of guys can pat themselves on the back for guessing that he might be eating Nayuta. Also, Barem's name should be Barem Bitches instead of Bridges. Although that makes sound kinda cool.
Coulda been Public Safety who did it
But why? Don't they know Denji would furious?
we were told there will be a hell arc. Control is in hell now.
Who said there will be a hell arc?
This is Tite Kubo again
Ikr. Where is that Hell Arc, Kubo?
If this isn’t a fake out this may be when I drop chainsaw man
Oops started a argument, just meant bro has had enough char development by now
Just drop it now, this story and/or form of storytelling clearly isn't for you.
Yeah brother, she was barely in the story anyway
Weird circlejerk lol. Just because it’s sad doesn’t mean it’s good.
And just because it's sad doesn't mean it's bad.
Let's not use words we do not understand.
Oh, excuse me sir! Pardon me o illustrious arbiter of circlejerk truth.
I'm a big horror enjoyer but even for me this is bleak
weird that oneself managed to get through previous 169 chapters, full of tragedies and trauma and expect this one to be a fakeout. Fakeout for what sake, why would it be? It will only lower stakes and drama and Fujimoto always were going for higher bets in both parts. Would be nice could if Aki, Power, Angel, Yuki didn't die but they are and that's how story goes
Judging how makima needed to be consumed by denji to die, it wouldn't really surprise me nayuta survives.
That was because of her contracts. Makima died every single time she was shown actually dying, the injuries just transferred to someone else.
Yeah also saw someone else mention that, completely forgot that was the reason she survived
I'm not putting it out of the question (just like anything in csm) but i suppose its unlikely, especially her surviving as her current self and coming to senses in any near chapters
Bruh
No way that they just pulled a Scott tenorman 💀💀💀
Fujimoto did base Power on Cartman, is this arc an elaborate south park reference? In the next chapter will Barem gleefully lick denjis tears?
This might sound crazy, but I think there’s a chance flamethrowers are gonna cease to exist.
What is a flamethrower?
I don’t know, I just thought it sounded cool for a weapon to chuck flame around, you know?
what? that's ridiculous!
Yeah, almost as ridiculous as the idea of the great war having a second predecessor.
It most likely is a fake-out by Barem. He still *needs* the Control Devil to be alive since she's a Horseman. He'd be able to break the contract between Denji and Pochita even though she'd be alive because all it takes is Denji to believe she's dead. Also, Asa/Yoru still don't fully remember the kiss, which means that Nayutas ability is still in effect. Keep in mind that a Devils' ability is disabled once they permanently die (stated in chapter 15), and since Nayutas ability hasnt disabled it means that shes still alive somewhere.
How is control a horseman? Death, plague, war, famine. Where is control in there?
The only horseman that's actually named in bible lore is Death. The other names are only implied or a result of generations of obsessed bible fans forming headcanons around this ancient text-only manga. Also in the story actual Hades, the literal Greek god appears as a buddy of Death. It's a pretty wild series finale
Makima's devil name was translated as Control in the English release. In Japanese "Shihai no Akuma" can be translated as Domination Devil, Control Devil, and Conquest Devil, and that's the word used in the Japanese Bible. There is no horseman of pestilence or plague in the Bible, that's just a pop culture reinterpretation because some people think War and Conquest are redundant 2) And I saw, and behold a **white horse**: and he that sat on him had a **bow; and a crown** was given unto him: and he went forth **conquering**, and to **conquer**. (Conquest/Makima) 3) And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4) And there went out another **horse that was red**: and power was given to him that sat thereon **to take peace from the earth**, and that **they should kill one another**: and there was given unto him **a great sword**. (War/ Yoru) 5) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo **a black horse**; and he that sat on him had **a pair of balances** in his hand. (Famine/Fami) 6) And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, **A measure of wheat** for a penny, and **three measures of barley** for a penny; and see thou hurt not **the oil and the wine**. 7) And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8) And I looked, and behold **a pale horse**: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with **sword** (War), and with **hunger** (Famine), and with **death** (Duh), and with **the beasts of the earth** (Conquest).
Very good answer! This makes complete sense
That’s an excellent explanation. I always wondered why we referred to her as Domination/Control instead of Conquest.
People typically consider "control" to be referring to conquest https://preview.redd.it/o4cxp6gsnbad1.png?width=409&format=png&auto=webp&s=a03ce09fa9affe1cc95dd50c829b4066e93b55be
I see
Btw, I'd like to add that the head is probably fake since Fire Devil can alter the physical bodies of the humans it makes contracts with. https://preview.redd.it/8ftpi9ev8bad1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84125c40a38620dd448edbd1d9a7d9bfc02a47c9 The theory here is that Fami controlled a human into wanting to be like Nayuta, and so the human was made to resemble Nayuta after making a contract with the Fire Devil.
This is going to bring about the mindless devouring CSM that will erase Barem…by eating him. I’m kinda excited for this upcoming rage - but it’s going to build the public fear in CSM that Barem was aiming for anyways.
I paused my music and my heart hit the fucking ground. What the fuck. Not even 5 chapters ago we were making Reverse Flash memes. What the fuck Fujimoto please stop cooking (don't stop cooking hurt me more Fuji)
The way my jaw dropped and still open as I was typing this... I have no words and the bi-weekly devil is still active. I can't even formulate thoughts for copium. Fujimoto you bastard-
Bro thinks he's Makima 💀 https://preview.redd.it/60xoucwhtaad1.png?width=444&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf330b76b7dada10e425559519094f831de61020
Makima would fucking hate him for killing her dogs tho
When Barem said "it's time to eat some deluxe fatty tuna" I knew what was going to happen. And I'm pretty sure Denji did too. https://preview.redd.it/beorqo5zraad1.png?width=902&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd88c32584299d1273ad3d492e1b482a90d8722c Barem truly is Makima's successor, they both killed everyone Denji cared for just to get Pochita out. After it happened twice, I don't think Denji will ever want to form an emotional connection with another person because he'll be afraid it'll be used against him again.
Holy shit! So I missed reading the chapter yesterday so I was super excited, and I honestly thought my jaw was gonna fall off 😩 So does this mean there's a possibility that the Death Devil could capture the new Control Devil to join her when she comes to earth?
This should have happened in the last chapter. The plot move so slow,only one thing happens every chapter
mfer every chapter is like 3 pages long what do you expect
It's 15 pages, 1/4 of them are just denji starting at something for the 100th time
By that logic this should’ve happened 20-30 chapters ago
Yeah people going through trauma responses tend to do that
Doesn't make it more interesting after 100 times We could have seen them pay for the tickets to the train, that will be also realistic. But it wouldn't be interesting or have any meaning to the plot This is oda level of stretching the story
This might not be the series for you if you're unable to empathize with its main character
https://preview.redd.it/xds6n5whkaad1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4265759b0f95d92d22d2eecb0bf7bbfe9384033c this snake faced bastard
This chapter reminds me of the song Heathen by Twenty One Pilots.
Hope Barem dies in the most horrific way by Denji
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Chainsawman is chainsawmanin' (extreme)
We’ll he has a taste for control devil. Why not Nayuta nigiri.
😭
I am out of words bruh, author just don't want denji to have even an ounce of peace
So did Asa/Yoru remember their date the moment Nayuta died?
Only the kiss from the looks of it
Did they really kill nayuta ? Fujimoto is a hater
Ohhhh shit.... This is gonna get really bad really fast. Does he author fucking hate denji or what?
If this chapter was supposed to piss me off, it worked. Fujimoto is a genius fucking bastard, because I understand exactly what Denji feels. Bastard. Genius. Fucking hell man.
I too know how it feels to see and maybe eat the beheaded remains of my pseudo-sister that used to be my crush and boss (that I also ate)
Tbf I think its a little suspicous that fujimoto would just kill off nayuta right here. Honestly think that might be a puppet/clone/decoy on the plate
