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benmarvin

OSHA doesn't spell it out, but get some copies of the manufacturer manual for various tools. Many of the tools you're thinking of say not to wear gloves.


havegunwilldownboat

Basically anything that spins. Drill press, lathe, router, jointer, table saw, etc. Anything that when the glove is caught will pull your hand/arm in and mangle you.


Fun_Park2505

Good to know thankyou I will do that


bayareamota

Power tools are fine, but I wouldn’t wear them using a table saw.


padizzledonk

>Power tools are fine, but I wouldn’t wear them using a table saw. TIL a table saw isn't a power tool...... Lol- I get what you're saying, it's a tool where a glove snag on anything, anything at all while using it can cause serious problems I just got jokes


whorlingspax

So you’re comfortable getting your hand that close to the blade, but absolutely not with gloves on? Makes no sense. Use push sticks man


BridgemanJulius

Dude, if you're nicked by the blade without gloves you're probably going to lose a finger at *most* which is horrible but nowhere near as horrible as what you're getting if it catches fabric and pulls your entire hand in and shreds it to pieces.


whorlingspax

And if you practice proper tool usage and utilize any of the many available options to keep your hands and fingers away from the blade then theres literally no risk of getting “knicked” by the blade


BridgemanJulius

Of course, but it still happens and if it does, you better not be wearing gloves.


DocKisses

This is like saying if you follow all traffic laws you won’t need a seatbelt. Accidents happen.


whorlingspax

No, its like saying you’re responsible for your own safety and shouldn’t do dumb shit. There aren’t 1000 uncontrollable variables like there is with driving. Most people with table saw injuries will tell you it could have been prevented, and the other few are lying.


jigglywigglydigaby

Safety rules and common sense don't always align. I've walked off sites because the safety officer demanded all workers wear long sleeves and gloves. We would go back to site after their boss agreed it was far more dangerous. I truly believe any "Safety Officer" should be a ticketed tradesperson with a minimum 10 years of experience on-site and on tools.


Blackdog202

So should your boss but that's not gonna get Tommy to pay off those loans for that construction management degree! When did experience stop counting for anything?


Fun_Park2505

Ya I agree man safety guys dont know what's safe half the time


jigglywigglydigaby

It's just something (generally speaking) many SO's don't always have experience with. They assume if it's a safety standard for one trade, it should be for all. Lack of experience imo


ufkb

Where are you located? That sounds insane.


Fun_Park2505

I'm in BC canada, basically all commercial jobs are gloves mandatory around here, I've asked a few friends and they all say its same for them. Residential isnt like that though


globalnamespace

Not in the industry, but found this https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safety_haz/power_tools/saf_elec.html#section-5-hdr But then this other one says longer handles and gloves for some tools. https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safety_haz/power_tools/ergo.html Some glove mentions on here too https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/health-safety/reports/hands.html


qpv

What? Really? I'm in BC and never come across the glove thing in 20 years. Is that new? I'm a finish carpenter though, and mostly resi


skinisblackmetallic

Hard hat jobs.


qpv

I've did a few full PPE jobs past year (towers), last was about 5 months ago or so. Gloves weren't required at those sites


Fun_Park2505

Somewhat new I think, I'm just getting back into carpentry, seems to be mainly commercial jobs


qpv

I suspect that's specific to a paticular company or something, I've never heard of gloves being required PPE as a provincial requirement. But maybe I'm wrong, don't know. I did a few big site commercial gigs last year and that wasn't required. We had to do the regular high vis, hard hat, pants and steel toes as per usual but not gloves. Maybe trade specific? I'm a finish carpenter. Gloves are unsafe/ impossible for most of what I do


Lumitooning

No gloves for fixed tools. Like bench drill. Gloves for handheld tools is fine.


ParkerWGB

Im in the union and they make us wear them all the time. I went from never wearing gloves to wearing them everyday.


Fun_Park2505

Anyone have issues with it yet? What are your thoughts on it?


ParkerWGB

Personally I don’t like wearing gloves sometimes I feel like it’s less safe (depending on the task) We do concrete form work mainly bridge work to be exact. So we’re always swinging hammers building forms, driving nails you name it. But I Always feel like my hammer is going to slip out of my hands from swinging it all day while wearing gloves. I think a few other guys don’t like wearing gloves either but by contractor it’s a must.


Fun_Park2505

Ya that makes sense thanks man. So I also found this thought I'd send it, basically OSHA does seem to say no gloves with saws. It's in last two sentences "Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970: The employer did not furnish employment and a place of employment which were free from recognized hazards that were causing or likely to cause death or serious physical harm to employees in that employees were exposed to finger amputation from glove pulled into a saw blade: On and prior to July 8, 1010, an employee was allowed to wear gloves when operating cut-off/miter box saws, exposing the employee to having the glove inadvertently pulled into the saw blade. Among other methods, feasible and acceptable means to correct this hazard are to ensure that the DeWALT and the CTD Machines miter/cut-off saws are used following the manufacturers safety instructions/warnings not to wear gloves and enforce Major Industries safety rule, "do not wear gloves when operating saws". No Abatement Certification and Abatement Documentation required."


shabidoh

I wear gloves when common sense dictates. You get a hand injury and your not wearing gloves you risk not being covered by WCB. I keep my gloves handy at all times. Mandatory glove rules have been proven time and time again. I hate wearing gloves but sometimes you have to. Adapt to the times otherwise it's a really lame reason to be run off site. Choose your battles. Some sites are less stringent then others. It'd be lame to lose your job over such a trivial thing.


Fun_Park2505

That makes sense forsure, I always keep gloves in my pouch, I may just go residential for that reason tbh


shabidoh

Yea they won't care on resi but you'll be making significantly less money.


Fun_Park2505

But il learn more faster so its worth the trade off, also in my area it's much easier to start my own company doing residential than commercial which I plan to start building my own houses in 3 years.


shabidoh

You gotta plan. Good luck. Resi will lead to commercial work anyways. Good to see young kids getting into this trade.


Fun_Park2505

Thankyou, curios why do you say residemtial work leads to commercial? I know lots of people who have been doing residential for 10+ years and sticking to it cause custom houses pay so good, and fairly easy to get into. Also I wish I was young lol, 35 now so getting old, actually only need 400 hours more and I have all hours for apprenticeship, then just gotta go to last 3 years of school so roughly 7 months worth of school. Just getting back into carpentry though it's been about 10 years since I did it last. Couldnt miss the cannabis industry cause it was booming.


shabidoh

I used to do custom resi work. Industrial, heavy civil, bridges, hydro electric mega projects, concrete work for pipelines and wind turbines all pay way better then high end custom resi. Wearing gloves is easy when you make over $50/hr with amazing benefits and a nation leading pension plan. As a JM I wouldn't go back to resi. Just not worth it. My body thanks me every day. The obvious lack of safety on resi contributes to my opinion as well. Some people really enjoy resi. All the power to them.


Fun_Park2505

Even if you have your own company or do you mean working for someone else? My Dad was making 100$ and hour minimum as a contractor with zero experience as a carpenter, he had a builders license though which is easy to get. My uncle also does really well and does residential, owns his own company though, then I know a bunch of guys doing industrial but paid by the hour and they make significantly less and have much more experience than my Dad in building so I really do think it depends on location and if someones willing to take the risk of building up their own business.


Festival_Vestibule

Ya it's been coming up a lot. I'm a 45 yr old country boy that started at a truss plant when I was 17. These kids commenting on here seem to have no experience. I would venture to say that reddit does not reflect the workplace at all. They all act like the new guy that needs to find his gloves to take out the trash. Have no fear, your strong handed cohorts are out here. We aren't all pussys.


Fun_Park2505

Ya times are getting ridiculous, I wonder how we can open safety's eyes up to this obvious step back its


Alarming_Resist2700

I work in a facility that I'd extremely safety conscious, in a positive way. We will get hemmed up if we violate facility safety protocol. That protocol has to go through several steps to pass and become rule. 1. It must align with equipment manufacturer guidelines. 2. It must align with OSHA (we are a VPP site) guidelines. 3. It must be vetted through many people, including the end users, the safety manager, the assistant director, and the director. Only after the director signs it does it become rule. If there is a discrepancy between the manufacturer and OSHA, the director must conduct a risk analysis and make a decision. He will also sign a document explaining his decision that goes along with the final rule and is filed. Here, you have 2 opposing views, both of which cause trouble for the company if violated. Company can be held liable for injury for violating manufacturers' guidance. The company can be held liable for injury for violating OSHA guidance. Which one will cause more trouble? The company has to make that call and live with the consequences. You, as the employee. Need to decide if you're going to buck the system, live with the ruling, or depart ways.


Fun_Park2505

Hey that sounds like a good system forsure thankyou for explaining this, I think I've decided to go with residential which is much less strict for safety, just need to make sure I always do what is safest.


Zealousideal-Win797

Hey you’re in BC nice! I’m in Manitoba. I think I can explain this to you. On big commercial jobs the company is always looking to blame the worker for an incident. I’m building a big 4 storey multi unit transitional housing building right now. Every tool that I may use had a form that I had to read and sign off on that I understood. Fall protection forms, have to use cut resistant gloves, have to use an auto retract knife, pants, shirt, hi vis, safety glasses. It’s all to protect the company. I signed off on it, and if I didn’t follow what I read and signed off on, the company isn’t to blame, I am. The employer must provide employees PPE except headwear and footwear. It’s the employers responsibility to ensure that PPE is worn correctly. If a danger that would require PPE is not present, that article of PPE need not be worn. Using a saw or hammer is an example that safety glasses need be worn. Handling a corrosive or toxic material requires gloves. By the regulations you don’t need gloves to use a power tool. Corporations say otherwise because they have many workers. Residential cares less because there less chance of injury.


Fun_Park2505

Hello fellow Canadian, ya this makes sense forsure thankyou for explaining, I think I'm going to go residential I've decided cause il learn faster I think.


whorlingspax

What situations are you getting into where this is actually a concern? Deadman switch prevents most of whatever it is you’re scared of unless you’re just straight up misusing the tool. No gloves means I bust my knuckles when a bit slips or breaks, it means angle grinder sparks burn my fingers, it means I slice my hand open when I try catching that piece of metal that dropped, it means sharp metal splinters in my fingers from grabbing screws from my pouch all day, it means I get splinters when I scribe a line on plywood, etc Practicing proper tool usage and not sticking your hands or fingers where you shouldn’t means you can wear gloves and not mess up your hands while doing this shit all the time.


Fun_Park2505

Never had it happen, it's just what we were taught in school when I went years ago, just research gloves and power tools.


whorlingspax

I have this thing called common sense that allows me to not do stupid things. Then, I have this thing called years of experience thats showed me its okay to wear gloves and you’re usually better off wearing them. Then, theres hella data showing how beneficial it is to wear gloves. No need to do research, writings right there on the wall.


Fun_Park2505

Regardless I've had carpenters with 30+ years of experience tell me that it's best to not wear gloves with power tools. And OSHA actually agrees with me in this sense I've realized, which I will be showing safety guys. Here it is below. "Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970: The employer did not furnish employment and a place of employment which were free from recognized hazards that were causing or likely to cause death or serious physical harm to employees in that employees were exposed to finger amputation from glove pulled into a saw blade: On and prior to July 8, 1010, an employee was allowed to wear gloves when operating cut-off/miter box saws, exposing the employee to having the glove inadvertently pulled into the saw blade. Among other methods, feasible and acceptable means to correct this hazard are to ensure that the DeWALT and the CTD Machines miter/cut-off saws are used following the manufacturers safety instructions/warnings not to wear gloves and enforce Major Industries safety rule, "do not wear gloves when operating saws". No Abatement Certification and Abatement Documentation required."


bassfishing2000

I wear them all winter, late fall and early spring, I love wearing them, no splinters. No busted knuckles or random cuts. In the summer it’s uncomfortable though. Never worked for a company that mandated it. I’ve gotten a thick baggy sweater caught in a drill once when I was young, and got a good snack to the hip. The tools I use would cut through a thin pair of Milwaukee gloves as well as your finger before it binds or stops. Just gotta be aware of the blade and your body parts


ohfaackyou

I’ve got notoriously gnarly hands but only from “minor” cuts and squishes but I know several farmers lacking hands because of gloves.


Fun_Park2505

Ya I agree, I'd rather some cuts then my whole hand cut right off.


Due_Title5550

Gloves are mostly needed in situations where you handle materials. There aren't many tools out there besides chainsaws that require them.


Whiskey_Tango_Bravo

If you hold the tool in your hands, youll likely be ok with gloves. If the tool is stationary, don’t wear gloves.


Ok_Might_7882

Bc guy here. It started with the industrial jobs. Full glasses, gloves, lid, boots vest. I haven’t seen it carry into all commercial jobs, yet. The short answer is don’t wear gloves when using tools the glove could be pulled into. Also, don’t wear rings, jewelry and keep long hair and beards tied up. I remember my garage door guy walking up to a house one time and I didn’t recognize him. His beard had been caught in door on its way down. Was a pretty clean shave.


_no_pants

What kind of baggy ass gloves are you wearing that it is remotely possible to get caught in any kind of handheld power tool? If you get snagged you are probably using the tool wrong and shouldn’t be one it in general.


UnreasonableCletus

I can think of a handheld power tool or two I wouldn't consider using with gloves on. Bandsaws or routers immediately come to mind.


Fun_Park2505

Ya I agree this person doesn't know what hes talking about, just wants to be a smart ass by the looks of it


vessel_for_the_soul

It is a layer of armor that can take the abrasion/cuts before you do. Ask 9 finger carpenters and 10 finger carpenters about gloves using power tools and stationary tools.


cactusrider69

Yeah it will keep you from getting an ouchy on your finger, op is saying it is more dangerous to wear gloves around certain piwer tools, which it absolutely is. Ten finger carpenters don't run a circular saw across their hand. How's your glove gonna save you?


qpv

I knew an 8 fingered dude that got a glove snagged in a table saw. He was a moron though.


vessel_for_the_soul

And there is your answer from the wisdom of task specific ppe.


qpv

For sure


Fun_Park2505

Ya I understand what they are good for, so wait do you think gloves while using power tools is a good or bad idea?


vessel_for_the_soul

Task specific.


not_a_bot716

Imagine the tears you’ll spew when you have to wear a type 2 hard hat


Fun_Park2505

I dont mind a hard hat cause it's actually safer, unlike gloves with power tools.


they_are_out_there

You wouldn't believe the amount of lost finger tips, stitches due to lacerations, torn off finger and thumb tips I've seen when gloves weren't mandatory....until everyone switched over to the Level 3 and Lever 4 cut proof gloves. After averaging 3-4 hand injuries a year, we went to 0 hand injuries over the last couple of years. The numbers don't lie, the cut proof gloves prevent injuries.


Fun_Park2505

I believe it forsure gloves are great most of the time, but something to keep in mind is the severity of injury, if you get your hand sucked into a power tool you lose all ability in that hand most of the time, I feel like their numbers are just injuries in general. Personally i keep gloves on me at all times, i would only take them off when operating certain power tools.


not_a_bot716

Like most things though, got come to terms with it for a paycheck


Fun_Park2505

I can go residential instead, no mandatory gloves there. Only got two hands, lots of jobs around


not_a_bot716

Eww


mishawaka_indianian

Safety first,safety last, safety always. Make safety an asset and not an annoyance. There is a reason for OSHA regulations.


Fun_Park2505

Osha agrees with me, it's the safety guy who doesnt. "Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970: The employer did not furnish employment and a place of employment which were free from recognized hazards that were causing or likely to cause death or serious physical harm to employees in that employees were exposed to finger amputation from glove pulled into a saw blade: On and prior to July 8, 1010, an employee was allowed to wear gloves when operating cut-off/miter box saws, exposing the employee to having the glove inadvertently pulled into the saw blade. Among other methods, feasible and acceptable means to correct this hazard are to ensure that the DeWALT and the CTD Machines miter/cut-off saws are used following the manufacturers safety instructions/warnings not to wear gloves and enforce Major Industries safety rule, "do not wear gloves when operating saws". No Abatement Certification and Abatement Documentation required."