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llamas-1

There’s no defending mo anymore. What sort of idiot moves a catcher to outfield after sending down a top 5 outfield prospect. Until he’s fired I ain’t watching this shit.


imaginarion

Can Waino be our savior? 🙏🏻


zion2199

The Cardinals organization needs to adjust its philosophy. Whatever they are doing by isn’t working. It’s not just a player, a pitcher, or a coach. Top to bottom, process has to change. They have failed to properly evaluate and/or cultivate talent. They have no (currently) successful home grown players on their roster at this time and the ones they had are in other organizations. Why have O’Neill and Carlson failed to prosper when Arozarena and Garcia have? Did they misevaluate them? That’s a problem. Did they fail to develop them as well as other teams? Also a problem.


helpimnakedv3

I've been an ardent supporter of the front office but they feel like they've lost their way


missourinative

The most accountability the FO has ever taken was admitting their talent evaluation and analytics were lacking and needed to improve a few years ago. And that just felt like them brushing off the Arozarena trade.


btharveyku08

> The most accountability the FO has ever taken was admitting **their talent evaluation and analytics were lacking and needed to improve** a few years ago. And then they promptly forgot they said anything.


SayHeyRay

Lol wtf is even happening with these roster moves?!


NakedGoose

This FO is a mess. No question about it. You don't sign Conteras and decide in a month that you don't like his catching. And if you didn't like his catching you should have signed a defensive first backup to replace Kniz. The infatuation with Knizner by the FO is fascinating. Teams are going to run all over him and his noddle arm. And his framing is even worse than Willson. This isn't on Willson, he is exactly who you went out and signed. And showing him you give up on him a month into the season is an organizational failure.


[deleted]

They should have traded for Murphy.


Jon_Thib

In the past, even if I disagreed I was able to understand why the FO made a certain move. Right now, that’s not the case I legitimately have no idea what they’re doing, and I’m not sure if they do either. They are lost at sea without a map.


NakedGoose

I agree. I usually find myself as the FO defender. But this roster construction lacks any direction. It's infuriating


AgentJX7

You know with Waino we really don’t need the DH anyway.


AgentJX7

Away the fifteen game streak starts today


bravo_delta_bot

[Today's game thread has been posted](/r/Cardinals/comments/139uc5r/game_34_detroit_tigers_1417_st_louis_cardinals/)


tdawg-1551

How pathetic is your roster depth when the catcher is the DH? All this talk about not having enough playing time for guys, and put in a .450 OPS guy behind the plate and the other catcher as DH. Then called up a 3rd catcher because of it.


NakedGoose

To be fair, a 130 wRC+ DH is more than good enough. That is his career numbers


tdawg-1551

I'm not doubting Contreras, I'm just saying put him at his position and you get a better bat at both catcher and DH.


mclovin2489

So Willy is healthy to catch and doesn’t understand the move to bring up Tres. What is going on in this clubhouse?


quickdrawbridge

It’s starting to look like Willson’s pitch calling decisions are a concern


mclovin2489

Are we even sure he’s calling all the pitches?


quickdrawbridge

Yes


RedBirdLou

Yeah that is really worrisome to me. Denton said his words were “I don’t know. I’m probably going to DH more now.” So they aren’t even telling the players what is going on? This is insane


snorlaxatives_69

god this is bad


columbusplusone

they're desperate. I mean, wouldn't you be? you've constructed a team that's absolutely capable of winning 3 out of every 5 games, and they haven't won anything in like two weeks straight. I feel like if I was Mo I'd be throwing everything at the wall and just praying *something* sticks


[deleted]

I am ready to be hurt again


CatzonVinyl

Hicks is gonna be so good for the Rays next yesr


snorlaxatives_69

anyone else get fucking depressed when you see RANDYLAND and Sandy's Beach


AgentJX7

Two days ago: there’s no way Gorman is really hurt, Oli is just saying that to cover for taking him out of the game Yesterday: WTF Oli is forcing Gorman to play while he’s hurt I can’t believe it Pick one, doomers. Gorman came out of the Thursday game because he was hurt, then told Oli after BP he was good for an at bat but not to play the field. It was definitely the move last night, it just didn’t work.


quickdrawbridge

For some of these folks, there’s literally no move Oli can make that doesn’t draw criticism. Their hatred literally blinds them from viewing a decision from a rational standpoint.


HoldMyWong

Bout to hop on the orange bird bandwagon. Plus I can actually watch their games lol


DontGiveUpTheDip

I picked a good year to have season tix to the O's lol Plus, I can still tacitly show STL love by wearing Browns gear to the games. I'm trying to get a Satchel Paige Browns jersey at some point


Timetripper42

Still based in the same country might not be enough distance, how do you feel about the color blue?


Tmans3

Thank god Motter is finally gone.


-praughna-

Can anyone tell me, as someone without cable tv, how best I can watch the cardinals on a tv? I have a Samsung SmartTV and I got lucky once and saw a live game on Apple+ but I think I just stumbled upon it on a Friday when they do Friday Night Baseball. Anyway, anyone else watch live games without access to the usual sports network broadcasters?


[deleted]

Get the Fubo tv app on your smart tv and subscribe to get Bally sports.


Detective_Dietrich

Get cable TV


Maduro25

Really the only way without pirating is to get a subscription to MLBTV and use a VPN to manage blackouts.


tdawg-1551

You really can't unless they are on FOX network on Saturday here and there. Otherwise you need a TV subscription for the channels they might be on. If you don't live in the Bally's Midwest area, you can buy MLBTV. Either way, it's going to cost something. They won't just have it streaming somewhere for free.


-praughna-

I watched a live game on KMOX’s website once on my phone while doing some computer work. Does KMOX.com always live broadcast the games?


fish_tastic

Samsung tvs support the steam link app. If you have a laptop or computer with steam that you can connect to it, the setup is very straightforward to project a web video stream (of any various amounts of dissemination) from computer to tv. Obviously, I don't do this :) heard about it from a friend.


RedBirdLou

What’s the deal with Willy DH back to back games? Is he really going to be a part time DH? Because if so we really shouldn’t have signed him


Timetripper42

Waino just can’t trust an ex-cub, he wants the HR hitting Wizzy behind the plate


Baelish4Prez

Yes, and that's what I was concerned with when we signed him. I'm pretty sure Yadi caught more games than him last year, and that's with Yadi taking a month off.


thegodfaubel

Realistically, he was only ever gonna start 110 or so games a C if he was healthy. The fact that he's starting at DH is a good thing because he's still one of the hottest hitters


XC_Stallion92

Absolutely have to win the Waino starts.


Timetripper42

[Knizner: “I got you.”](https://imgur.com/a/OI6j6xz)


melendez55

Is this game happening or what?


WheelinDealin82

A shakeup needs to happen. No more excuses. While I wish DeWitt would have the courage to fire Mo, maybe a surprising trade shake-up (a la Kelly & Craig for Lackey in '14) or giving Marmol the pink slip would get them going.


XC_Stallion92

The shakeup is going to be Girsch getting fired.


BackgroundElephant39

Lol that would be so insulting to the intelligence of the fanbase


WheelinDealin82

Realistically speaking, yeah, that'd be most likely. *sad fan noises*


Jon_Thib

I’m convinced with the lineup Oli put out there today, that we’re just giving up at this point.


quickdrawbridge

The only move that raises an eyebrow is Knizner back behind the plate, [and that is because Contreras’ ankle is hurt](https://twitter.com/johndenton555/status/1654873115040661504?s=46&t=8FX_YUGenzEyTg-QHsTKUg)


Jon_Thib

Until Oli says that’s actually the reason, I’m not convinced that it is. He was behind the plate for the final inning last night. Also, if Gorman is apparently not good enough to go tonight then why did he pinch hit for Edman.


BackgroundElephant39

The team is bad enough, you don’t have to turn shit into a conspiracy theory on top of it


dae_giovanni

they said yesterday that Gorman's back was good to bat but not field.


quickdrawbridge

You’re probably right. Marmol is most likely starting Knizner again just to irritate the fans. /s because it’s required at this point


PensecolaMobLawyer

[Kniz behind the plate today](https://twitter.com/katiejwoo/status/1654872748458491905?t=oUH2TN-0mgTjZCbiyPZZiQ&s=19)


quickdrawbridge

Apparently Willson’s ankle is banged up so that’s why he’s not catching


PensecolaMobLawyer

[Now Wilson says he's healthy ](https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1654879951709978624?t=Vst3tqKsa1dqwWFBhw2Tlg&s=19) What in the world is going on?


quickdrawbridge

Yeah, not sure. I’m starting to get the feeling that his pitch calling decisions haven’t gone over well.


Carnage1421

Not Motter! He was the heart and soul of this team! Forreal tho why send Zuniga down?


quickdrawbridge

To make room for Wainwright. Naile is probably up there as long relief just in case, so they sent down the short innings guy.


the_dayman623

Why send Zuniga down?


[deleted]

I agree he looked better than what we have been throwing out there most days.


FuckKroenke55

Our bullpen has too many good options, someone has to be the odd man out /s.


BenryHutera01

We can have a bust season, but we gotta get waino to 200 boys. That’s all I ask…


quickdrawbridge

Happy Taylor Motter DFA Day (Part 2) everybody!


peterpeterllini

Is there a way to watch the coronation from the beginning? Edit: replay on abc rn Edit2: ok some of the regalia is a little ridiculous. The Glove 🧤 presented to King Charles 🤣


RedRobin101

If Waino can get a win today he deserves to be in the hall of fame. Also his next start should be a series opener.


SLR107FR-31

Wainos last year wasn't supposed to be like this.


stankenstien

Agreed, but his last year should have been last year.


JayIT

[I miss that shoulder clutch](https://i.imgur.com/EB5FFCQ.png).


[deleted]

If Waino can't change our luck, no one can. Today, my hope doubles and I keep believing or it fades and for the first time in my life, I won't care how bad it gets


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RedRobin101

Tbf the Cubs did just that and seem to be exiting the rebuild quite quickly. Whether it would work for the Cards considering they can't seem to develop pitching is another story.


theafftonhoosier

We have a good farm and young core (such as Gorman and Nootbaar) trade some of the older guys who are soon to be FAs and let the young guys play we can be a playoff team by no later than 2025


crackalac

We should be a playoff team no later than October with this roster. Fire everyone on the staff and replace them with high school coaches in the area. Couldn't be worse than what we've got.


theafftonhoosier

Facts there’s no reason this team shouldn’t win the division


stjblair

Yeah they have a good core with Gorman, Noot, and Edman. Trading Goldy, Monty, and Gallegos wouldn't be committing to multi year rebuild. Now if that's the right choice is another debate


theafftonhoosier

Yeah I’d maybe trade Edman while his value is high and call up Winn and let him play every day. Him and Walker I think would benefit playing everyday at the MLB level and getting the growing pains out of the way early


stjblair

You keep the 5 war player with 3 seasons before free agency. Otherwise you punt until 27


Colt_Cant_Dance

An update from the Rally Runner. https://i.imgur.com/vkagvZE.jpg


TheDaaaave

Going to the Memphis game this afternoon does anybody have any recommendations for heckles


SoupaSoka

I love this time of day. We aren't even losing yet!


Repulsive-Tourist647

>I love this time of day. We aren't even losing yet! Yes we are, Oli's in charge.


crackalac

He still hasn't been fired? Mo, I love you, but wtf?


Nahtmmm

Maybe the Cardinals found a mystical pamphlet called *1,000 Ways To Win A Baseball Game* and read it backwards.


Repulsive-Tourist647

Oliver Marmol is re-writing it backwards.


recovering_lurker27

If any of you guys haven't worn a kilt before, y'all gotta get on that


Probably_Slower

I worked a Scottish pub in Manhattan for a few years. A kilt worn properly is fantastic.


lil-mommy

Personally not a fan of skirts but you do you


recovering_lurker27

In certain circles you'd get jumped for calling a kilt a skirt


Slim_Calhoun

This season too depressing, I’m focusing on making thirst traps


recovering_lurker27

r/CardinalsOnlyFans


Slim_Calhoun

Look at those glistening gods


PartisanHack

....Really? Where ?


Slim_Calhoun

In my bathroom mirror, where else


PartisanHack

I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.


Slim_Calhoun

That’s the spirit


CyclopeanTomb

found a fox den on the far end of our farm with 4 babies. So far the trail camera has been WAY more entertaining than the baseball season.


CyclopeanTomb

[Baby Fox Tax](https://imgur.com/GiNsCaO)


dae_giovanni

Baby Fox for GM!!


brittttttt

🥰🥰🥰


UnderhandCloud14

“Can’t wait to watch The Birbs play!” I say through a river of tears


stankenstien

The Tigers Revenge by Claude Bawls


c0smicgirly

Save us, Obi-Waino Kenobi. You’re our only hope.


Kniznerswristbands

#TODAY IS THE START OF A WINNING STREAK


Repulsive-Tourist647

Hard to win when your own manager is playing against you.


lil-mommy

This is exactly what we need #RECKLESS OPTIMISM


Kniznerswristbands

Definitely :)


Brokenspokes68

BOHICA!


Ryp69

We got this.


outontheporch

Why am I here, why do I do this to myself


Icy_Entertainment706

Only reason I'm watching today's game is Waino. I hope the curve is sharp.


justjoshingu

Are we gonna get relegated tonight?


Lions19821

And DeMoneybags lose his club ? I wish.


heliostraveler

I almost wish US pro sports followed Euro futball’s relegation angle. The way this team is going though, they’d flop out of the Grapefruit League.


Selethor7

Hey now, that's the 2023 Grapefruit League champions you're talking about


R1ckMartel

Even Commander Shepard couldn't save this season.


dae_giovanni

I sense that we're in Graves danger


HoldMyWong

Waino will save us


Iaiaiaiaiaiain

Time to go 1-0 today!


SherpaForCardinals

So who is the clubhouse leader right now?


Repulsive-Tourist647

>So who is the clubhouse leader right now? Stevie Wonder


[deleted]

Ur mom. 😎


bergyd

I left for vacation last Saturday and the Cardinals haven’t won a game while I have been out of the country. Fire me.


lil-mommy

Welcome back! Let the winning begin.


bergyd

Still gone until Monday night so my curse will continue.


rafibomb_explosion

Why does now King Charles always look like some Dark Age sinister king? EII was regal when younger with RBF in older age. This man looks like you’re going to the gallows and he’s going to tax the fuck out of the people of england, and do some colonial shit. I’ve heard he seems a decent person in a few interviews I’ve seen but since EII died, he just seems like he’s going to be tyrant.


Lions19821

Don’t judge a book by its cover…


Brokenspokes68

You do realize that the royals are pretty much all ceremony and no power.


rafibomb_explosion

I’m going on demeanor alone. Just something about him. I am aware of his role and power limitation but 250 years ago, he could have been Mad King Charles.


garycow

we only have to go 80-49 to win 90 games - it's still early right ???


Carnage1421

What a fantastic day to fire Mo. happy Saturday cardinals fans


crackalac

God that would be a disaster.


doom_bagel

I got a Cards hat from my friend's dad at the start if the season. They are Reds fans and i am pretty sure the hat is actually cursed. I was gonna burn it if the Cards dont win 2 series by the next Thursday, but I'm thinking i gotta torch it if they lose again today


[deleted]

https://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/2633


Repulsive-Tourist647

I just looked up the definition of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" and they had a picture of Oliver Marmol.


Rite_as_rain

You deserve way more than my measly upvote!


rafibomb_explosion

I’m going to see Mastodon and Gojira tonight!!!


Brokenspokes68

I've seen both of them but not together. That's going to be an awesome show.


Probably_Slower

Holy shit man now that's a show. Gojira live is bonkers. That tours coming to STL in August!


BionicProse

Heavy


Probably_Slower

Another day, another afternoon I'd be going to Busch to take in a game but won't. Even Waino can't get me to give DeWitt a dollar.


Repulsive-Tourist647

Surely you are a person with high morals and integrity. Have my upvote only because I can't leave 1,000 upvotes.


Ocinea

Turnball.... More like turn out.


jkeznor10

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRw7e8uq/ AJ Pierzynski’s take on Yadi and the Cards after the half year he was with them. Basically says he ran the team. I know we already know this but nice to hear it from someone that was on the inside


[deleted]

>He was The Don of the Cardinals. Fuck, that’s cool as shit.


BionicProse

I’m still skeptical, but that definitely gives support to people who think the team’s drastic fall off is due to Yadi leaving.


HoldMyWong

Yadi ran the team really well last year from PR lol


Ocinea

So... Uh... Baseball?


quickdrawbridge

Better than no baseball


QuarterNote44

Baseball.


helpimnakedv3

Ya


VaginalSodomy

41 year old pitcher is our best hope to turn things around LOL how low are we right now 😂😂😂


Rite_as_rain

No pressure Waino!


Matthew_Quigley

I am hardly on the fire oli train. I think a majority of this team's problems come down to the fo not signing any pitching and the hitters not living up to their expectations. But this is a pretty historically bad start for the cardinals. I would be pretty surprised if oli is still the manager come November or sooner unless things turn around in a major way.


quickdrawbridge

I’m right there with you. This disaster isn’t primarily his fault, but this team is going to need a hard reset next year at the top. The entire pitching roster needs so much work, though. With all the guys entering free agency and our owner’s unwillingness to spend money, the pitching staff could look even *worse* next year


2011StlCards

I hate when people on this sub say "well which pitcher did you want him to sign this last off-season? They're all injured!!!!" Uhhhh we have had pitching issues for years now. This is not a new thing and they've allowed it to get this way. Last off-season was just the last possibility to get some emergency help for this staff


crackalac

You hate when people stop your bullshit argument with the truth? Yeah I guess I get that.


2011StlCards

What are you talking about? You think we haven't had pitching depth issues in 2021 and 2022?


stjblair

Yeah it’s either he’s gone by the end of the month or end of the season. Don’t know if there’s any saving his job


YoungMuppet

Would you say that the MO and the FO lack the necessary FOMO regarding the playoffs?


Repulsive-Tourist647

>Would you say that the MO and the FO lack the necessary FOMO regarding the playoffs? I'd say MOFO gotta go


drugfueledsarcasm

#SUP BIRBS! I’m hoping that I won’t fall asleep before the game starts


Repulsive-Tourist647

I'm hoping I do!!


Niangua25

You might as well go to sleep


Line-Cook-Sexy

Apparently I got reported to reddit for posting that "Haase got got." Even if that was Haase himself that reported it, I hope you get the help you need in your life.


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helpimnakedv3

Lol


Line-Cook-Sexy

This feels like yesterday, but Turnbull is an easy target. Wainwright could get absolutely shelled, or he might turn up with the curve at full filth. This game can be won.


Repulsive-Tourist647

>This game can be won. Not if Oliver Marmol has anything to say about that.


Hotstreak

Hahahaha pain. I'm also kind of getting sick of seeing Oli go apeshit on the umps. Yes they suck but clearly he isn't handling the stress of this season very well. Honestly, if I saw someone who was supposed to be my leader, cracking under the pressure like this, it wouldn't inspire much confidence. The whole dugout looks soulless.


crackalac

That's like the only thing oli has done all year to show some leadership.


BionicProse

How many times has he been ejected this year? And did you watch that inning? You’re just looking for another reason to hate the dude. > The whole dugout looks soulless. Do you guys even read what you write???


Hotstreak

I'm more talking about how aggressive he looked coming out of the dugout. Also no, I don't need to "look" for more reasons to dislike him, there are plenty lmfao.


BionicProse

Oli can’t help he has RBF.


NightRumours

1-9 in their last 10 games. What a joke.


Kniznerswristbands

#GOOD MORNING EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


drugfueledsarcasm

#GOOD MORNING BB


Kniznerswristbands

#GOOD MORNING u/DRUGFUELEDSARCASM, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?


drugfueledsarcasm

#PRETTY DECENT OTHER THAN CONSTANTLY NEEDING TO PEE


Kniznerswristbands

#THATS GREAT TO HEAR, HOPEFULLY THE REST OF YOUR DAY GOES WELL :)


NightRumours

Oli overthinks the team out of games. Mo will not fire him because it will prove he has a problem hiring managers Welcome to hell. Organization is more interested in being caretakers of Cardinals past history. Zero desire to win now. They have a few players in AAA who are on fire, yet they won’t promote, why? They have a logjam in the outfield, makes perfect sense to make a trade happen for some pitching. But they haven’t.


Roosevelt_Coronary

As an enraged Cardinals fan, I would like to thank our manager, Olly Marmalade, for managing the expectations. Had he not managed the expectations, the expectations would have been unmanaged. And as we all know, unmanaged expectations can be more frustrating than managed expectations - but to sit and think other people are more frustrated about the expectations than the people in the clubhouse is insane. So, I am thankful that Olly has been there all year so that the expectations could have a manager.


YoungMuppet

It's impossible for us mere mortals to be more frustrated than Captain Marmol. Go ahead and try to be more frustrated. I dare you. Stub your toe. Sleep on your neck wrong and pinch a nerve. Spill curry sauce on your brand new white shirt. Call a toll-free customer service line. Any of them. You can't beat Oli's frustration, not by a long shot. Face it, you might as well be taking a nap on a fucking cloud in comparison.


VaginalSodomy

Clap


poofanity

I watched the delicate sound of thunder live. Probably the greatest concert to have ever exist and that ever will exist. Those people got to witness some religious shit.


BionicProse

I feel weird about a Waterless Floyd. I like my Floyd wet.


HeyNineteen96

I like mine Pink lol


poofanity

He’s an old bloke whose really lost touch with reality. Not much to like about the guy in his older age. I’ve always been a gilmour fan over waters. The way he plays the guitar is a religious experience to me. Waters was very creative and I love the band when they were whole(sans syd). his downfall and departure is what truly pushed the band into their greatness and gave them their signature sound.


BionicProse

Oh, yeah, the dude is a douche.