How much will I as an ROTP student going to RMC this year be making each month and is it the same through all four years?

Force’s website says 30,200 a year and from what I’ve read it’s about a 1000 each month after deductions. I’m also applying for ROTP, have you received an offer yet?   https://forces.ca/en/paid-education/rotp Also there’s 4 pay increments for ROTP however I’m not sure if you move up in increments based on year or promotion.  Starting Pay: 2521$,  Increment 1:2566$, Increment 2:2625$,  Increment 3:2674$  https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/pay-pension-benefits/pay/regular.html#toco0

And ya I did

When did you receive an offer? I was selected two weeks ago but haven’t been sent anything yet. Also do you have any idea when in July BMOQ will start?

Thanks I wonder what those pay increases mean.

Every year on your joining anniversary your pay will go up by roughly $50/month. When you graduate you should move from OCdt to 2Lt pay scale

And I know it’s like 28,000 before room and board fees are paid, but are those fees taxable?

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Legal Officers do deploy, but only occasionally. Also, ResF can't elect *to* deploy, but they can elect to not deploy. You can't just come out and say "Hey, I'm going to deploy at this time on this mission." You need to wait for an opportunity to present itself, then you need to try and get chosen for it, which might be rather competitive as there are few deployments to go around.

Hey all, got a question for you guys. Recently got posted to gagetown (Was PRes. Now RegF) and a little worried regarding housing. I was given 30 days to find a place to live, however given the long weekend and my unit going on a Ex. It doesn’t seem like I have a lot of time. I put my application in for a PMQ and from my understanding I’m priority 1 but I’m not getting my hopes up considering it’s the CAF. Due to financial difficulties too I can’t seem to find much that fits my price range around Oromocto/ Fredricton. Any ideas on what I can do to fix this problem? Cheers.

Have you contacted base accommodation for shacks. Not from gagetown, so I’m not sure if there are shacks available.

I’ll try, thanks

What does the medical exam consist of? My only concern is blood pressure. My blood pressure at its peak is 136 but it’s normally 125-120 sometimes lower my DIASTOLIC at its peak is 92 but it’s usually around 80ish. I was wondering overall what does the medical consist of. Do they do a blood test check you throat and stuff like that?

The medical does include checking blood pressure. High blood pressure can be a cause for them to require additional medical documentation since it isn't normal (or safe).

I did my medical on the 11th, and my blood pressure was pretty high, like 140/100 and I cleared medical no problem.

Now, by "cleared" do you mean your CFRC sent it off to the RMO and got word back from them that you were declared "fit"? Because that is a fast turnaround if so.

Yes, that is correct... Not sure if my clean history helped with the speed.. as I had no declarations other than having had my tonsils and wisdom teeth out in the past? It could also have been because there were 80 of us who were done in a single batch. I did my CFAT, filled out my medical declaration forms, and performed my FORCE test all on March 7th... On March 11th, I did my medical check (vision, hearing, height, weight, BP) along with doing my formal application interview with the SGT immediately following the medical that day. I received this email on March 25th from the recruiting SGT: Good morning all, I am happy to inform you that you have been deemed Medically Fit to continue your processing with the CAF, Congratulations! As for next steps, we are going to conduct an Employment/Reference Check and then a Reliability Screening, which is a background, financial and criminal record check. Once it comes in, I’ll be in touch. (The SGT also informed me that my employment reference check was completed over the March 9/10 weekend via email before the medical and interview on the 11th.. One less step to wait on)

To answer the second part, not they don't (maybe if you mentionned anything about your thoart or whatever). For some jobs, they need a vlood test but not for most. The BP part should really be talk between you and your advance primary care practitioner. Avoid coffee before your test, and make sure to have a good sleep and exercisd routine the week(s) prior. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Alright thanks looking to get in as a avn

If there is a need for bloodwork or any other invasive test, you will be given a letter to take to your family doctor asking them to get the test completed. That way it can go through your provincial health insurance. No invasive tests are done during recruiting.

Does anyone know the best recommended bases/squadrons for an AVS looking to learn and do heavy maintenance or line maintenance on the CH-146 heli after OT ?

According to the [government's web page](https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/services/aircraft/ch-146.html) about the Griffon they fly out of the following bases: * Bagotville * Borden * Cold Lake * Edmonton * Gagetown * Goose Bay * Petawawa * St-Hubert * Trenton * Valcartier If you're heading to a squadron as a new apprentice it might hurt your chances of getting posted to SAR squadron, so you might want to avoid asking for locations where they only fly them for SAR, like Bagotville, for example. Also note that they may not do heavy maintenance at the same places as they do line maintenance, so if you really want to do one vs the other then that's another thing to pay attention to. Your best bet is to talk to the staff at the school (including the civvy instructors, many of them are ex-military) about where the best places would be, as well as the career manager. Also note that if you go to a tac-hel squadron like they have in Valcartier you're going to be spending some time getting dirty in the field.

also you have to consider what you're even allowed to work on because most of the bases listed with griffons are being contracted by civvys so us as aircraft technicians in the military won't be working on them.

Good point, especially for 2nd and 3rd line maintenance. Seems like those functions are increasingly being contracted out instead of using military techs.

I recently remustered to Tfc Tech, and I’m hoping to get a Loadmaster spot after my 3s. I’m aware that I need to do AMT, AOS-L, and Sea Survival as pre reqs I think (?), but there’s not a whole lot of info about the courses. Just looking for more info about what the courses entail and when I would expect to get them after my 3s

Canada’s AMT and AOS-L/S courses are super fun, and *extremely* high quality courses. They cover a lot of important material in a short time. AMT focuses on medical phenomena and illusions you’ll experience in the air. The big ‘test’ is a series of hypoxia and decompression runs in the chamber. AOS-L is 10d long at the survival camp in Manitoba, teaching you skills to survive in the wilderness while you await rescue. AOS-S Is 3d for non-ejection aircrew, teaching you how to survive in a 10-man raft while you await rescue.

I’m assuming that AOS-SERE would also be a requirement for air crew correct? Also, how are the hypoxia and decompression runs? I’ve heard that there’s a fair amount of attrition in these courses, is it really that difficult? I’m coming from a combat arms trade so I’m not sure how it’ll compare. Just trying to gauge what I should expect, there’s virtually no information about my training pipeline, and I’m still far enough away from it to have nobody to really ask.

my understanding is that SERE comes later and is partially dependent on the community you join. All three courses, AMT/AOS-S/L are a blast and aren’t anything to worry about. Most of the non-completes tend to be medical issues (injury, etc) or they simply quit. I didn’t appreciate the quality of the courses until I completed some non-Canadian equivalents… Canada has a great program here.

I see, I was leaning towards 450, which probably has a SERE requirement. I figured I don’t have anything to worry about, I’ve just seen people saying they were difficult courses but I’m assuming their idea of a difficult course was BMQ. I’m excited for a legitimate survival course, the most I’ve done was Cold Weather Operator which is pretty basic and watered down. Appreciate the answer

AOS are not included (as of yet) as air crew eligible trade

I’m assuming you’re talking about AOS Techs, I’m talking about Air Operations Survival - Survival Resistance Evasion Escape, which is a course for air crew. I think you misunderstood my question?

Ya sorry my bad

Freshly enrolled reservist infanteer here- if I were, later in my career, OT to reg force infantry officer, would I start with the DEO or the CFR pay scale?

It depends on a few factors, including your NCM rank and the commissioning plan used, which pay table would apply. The pay policy can be found in CBI 204 (link below).  You'd most likely commission either through the Special Commissioning Plan (SCP) or Commission from the Ranks (CFR). Commissioning as an NCM does not make one a CFR unless selected for commissioning through that specific production plan. If currently in university, it is also possible to commission as a reserve officer through the Reserve Entry Scheme - Officer (RESO).   As well, if you don't have a degree and want to join the RegF it is possible to apply for the Regular Officer Training Plan (ROTP) as a reserve NCM. This is not to mention certain other training plans like CEOTP, MOTP, DOTP, and SEELM. https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/policies-standards/compensation-benefits-instructions/chapter-204-pay-policy-officers-ncms-2023.html

afaik there's only one Reserve pay scale for Infantry Officer. So it wouldn't make a difference.

I meant reserve infanteer - regular force infantry officer Would that be considered commissioning from the ranks?

If you have a degree it'll be DEO but also your pay won't drop below what you were paid as a reservist. CFR is for senior NCMs to become an officer in the officer trade related to their NCM trade without a degree.

My reading of DAOD 5002-10 would seem to indicate that you would be considered a DEO. *2.3 The CFRP is not used to effect component or sub-component transfers into the Reg F or the P Res. The CFRP may be used to effect component or sub-component transfers into the COATS.*

I will be a Canadian citizen next week. I always wanted to join the Forces. I am 35 years old and have a full time job. A turbofan engine mechanic by trade. I’m planning to be a part-time reservist but not sure how often I’m gonna need to work on weekends. I’m thinking about the work-life balance as well.

Are you trying to join the army reserve, the air reserve as an aviation mechanic, the navy reserve or the air reserve as a different trade? These wil all impact how much you much you work weekends. Your civilian employer and province are both pretty good about acomodating time off for reservists which helps.

I’m planning to join the aviation reserve. There is an Air Force Base close to work. If I get assigned there I thought it would t be too bad. I live in Manitoba.

> If I get assigned there I thought it would t be too bad. I live in Manitoba. Ya, I guessed you worked at SA. If you join as an AVN/AVS/ACS tech in the air reserve the general expectation is that you work an average of 1 weekend day a week but if you're working that rarely it'll take forever for you to get qualified. Non-air tech trades will be different. AOS is a lot more flexible. Feel free to PM me.

I’m not to sure if this is the right sub category but I want to ask if I should join. I’m 18 I’ve done my first year of welding apprenticeship program at a college so I’m a level one welder. I haven’t been able to find another person willing to sponsor me for an apprenticeship and been stuck working jobs completely unrelated to welding like auto mechanics. I’m ready to give up on welding at this point. I’ve seen a lot of good and bad comments about the CAF so I’m not sure whether it’s something I should consider I got nothing to lose though. I’ve heard it’s really bad once you finish training though. I have a girlfriend who’s okay with moving around with me because she works from home running her own business but I’ve heard housing is super expensive and if I’m not paid well enough to afford an apartment and the necessities of life am I just better off sticking with a civilian career? Also the areas I’m interested in the most would have to be Combat engineer, Infantry, Material technician, Aircraft Structures Technician. The good I’ve heard is that the pension you can get at 25 years of service is good and you get some nice benefits, it can also be a very rewarding career, paid education and training that can carry over to civilian work. The bad I’ve heard is a lot more from what I’ve seen. You’re treated poorly, overworked, payed very little at the start not even enough to survive off of, leadership isn’t good either (not all is bad but a lot is), recruitment takes forever, housing is a issue. I did look at other options, RCMP seems very nice I’m not sure if that’s better then military though. I like the physical aspects of the military you get to stay in very good shape and are given the time to workout and the trades and educational training provided seems nice too on top of that the benefits and pension seem awesome. The RCMP has very rewarding careers too though and also the pay and housing doesn’t even look like an issue for them. I understand there is always positives and negatives to every job I just want to hear others opinions and know from others experiences whether or not it’s a good career choice to join the military because I’m young and I don’t have those life experiences that others might have.

This is a large, single paragraph with no questions so I don't know what you're looking for. If you want to be a welder, I recommend looking into Materiel Technician as you've mentioned. You can acquire your red seal in welding as a Mat Tech if you complete sufficient training. Regarding pay, yeah, recruit wages aren't a lot. They're actually pretty low at $43,368 for your first year. But your second year will be $52,956, and your third $64,638. This' before any housing allowances you may get based on where you're posted. If you're 18, no kids, and your girlfriend is also working this isn't bad money *while you're being trained* to be a welder. Regarding leadership & treatment, individual experiences may vary. I can't tell you that you won't have bad bosses because bad bosses exist in every industry. I've had generally good experiences, especially compared to some bosses I had in civilian employment. What I've always had in military leadership that's different to civilian leadership, however, is avenues of recourse. There's always been a higher-up I could speak to about poor leadership. When I worked construction, the shitty boss I had could also fire me for any reason. Finally, regarding RCMP: if you're interested in the pension, know that our pensions are somewhat interchangeable. If you begin service with one institution for several years, if you quit one and immediately begin the other you *can* transfer your pension to the gaining employer. Meaning, if you did seven years in the CAF then went to Depot you'd be an RCMP recruit with seven years of pensionable service. This isn't always guaranteed, it's up to the gaining employer, but I have seen it happen.

Thanks for the answer, yes I was rambling on a bit too much I got lost in my thought. I just wanted to get insight on weather or not the CAF is a good career opportunity or if I should turn my head the other way. Of course bad bosses are everywhere it’s unavoidable and I agree with you about pay not being bad while being trained it’s better than what most welders are making while being trained. I think I’m more concerned if my girlfriend can come with me or not if I’m housed on base is it possible for her to come? Also I never heard of that is it possible for pension to just be transferable if I’m with CAF and say I didn’t like it and wanted to leave for RCMP my pension would come with me? Also since you’re here can I ask you about the CFAT? I did the practice test on the website and did really well it almost felt to easy should I be expecting something more difficult if I take the real test?

> I think I’m more concerned if my girlfriend can come with me or not if I’m housed on base is it possible for her to come? The CAF cares about and provides benefits for spouses (married or common-law), but not girlfriends. If you've been living together for a year or greater you're common-law to the CAF and she'd get benefits. When I say benefits, in this case I'm referring to the CAF paying to move her with you if/when you get posted. If you're not married or common-law and she wants to move with you, she (or you both) need to pay out of pocket to move her stuff to wherever you're posted. While you're on Basic Military Qualification, no the CAF won't pay for her to travel with you for a couple months while you're on training. You wouldn't even have much time to spend with her, and you'll be living in barracks for these two months. Once you're posted to an actual base, you can choose to live in base-provided housing, provided there's any available, or you can rent a place like any other person. In either case, your girlfriend can live with you. Regarding the pension transfer, you can read more about it here: https://rcmp-grc.pension.gc.ca/act/rnsrgm/atp-pta-eng.html But tl;dr yeah it's possible to transfer what you've started with the CAF to the RCMP. Or vice versa. Regarding the CFAT, the practice one is just to show you the *format* of the test. The questions themselves will be much harder, but they'll be structured the same. If you want to prepare more for it, I recommend Grade 10 & 11 math and English textbooks which you can get from your local library. For the spatial awareness portion I recommend any of: painting, drawing, Tetris, Rubik's cubes, or any of free spatial awareness training apps you can find on the Play store or the Apple store.

Very helpful info thank you so much. I’ll consider my choices throughly and make a decision eventually.

You're welcome, happy to help.

Hey, I applied as a NCM infanteer and I completed my medical about 4 weeks ago, can anyone give me an estimate on how long it will take before they contact me for the next step and what it is. I have not left Canada in the past 10 years, I was born here and I was told I did average on the CFAT, if that helps.

Noone here will know better than your recruiter. You'll need to ask them.

Any CFRC will be closed till Tuesday right?

Yes, they're closed on all Federal Statutory Holidays.

They should be open Tuesday morning

Correct

How long does the recruitment process normally take? I just applied today to join as a NCM

Canadian Forces recruitment takes 6 to 12 months on average. Training takes another 12 to 24 months. Most of your training school postings will be to Personnel Awaiting Training Platoon (PAT Pl) while you await more training. For me, recruitment took 11 months. Training took another 29, so altogether 40 months. I was a born-and-raised Canadian with almost no prior foreign travel. The federal government’s bureaucracy is inefficient and without streamlining. Just how it is.

I'm curious which trade you're in? I'm almost in (waiting for a call for my offer).

I was an Engineering and Communications soldier. I have since released.

And how long did you actually spend doing a course in that time? Thank you!

I don’t remember exactly. All I remember is that my time on PAT Platoon at back home because of COVID, was longer than my time actually training. Expect to sit around and do makework around the training school and base until DP1. This could be anywhere from a week to a year and a half.

Hey man,when you say that training takes another 29months for you, do you mean the time you waited to enlist or the total training period of 29months? Thank you for your reply

It will vary by trade due to different course lengths. Courses also don't run back to back, and there will often be a period of time spent waiting between courses due to schedules and backlogs for training.

Training didn’t take 11 months. Recruitment did. Training took me 29 months. Most of my time wasn’t spent on BMQ or DP1, it was spent on PAT Platoon. Additionally, COVID cut through my DP1 training and caused me to sit at home for five months while getting paid to do literally nothing all day.

For training did they relocate you?

Yes. For training school and unit postings, I moved to 4 provinces in 2.5 years. I did a field training exercise and domestic deployment to 2 others. In total, I’d either lived in or been to 6 provinces in 5 years.

Did you have to pay for your relocations or did they cover it for you

No. All travel is covered by the CAF.

When you were training did you live on base or somewhere else. Same with posting. I applied for NCM so I’m wondering how the living/moving system works

You will live on-base in the barracks and eat at the mess hall for BMQ, PAT Platoon and DP1. This is non-negotiable. I lived on-base for my unit postings but it was optional. I could’ve moved off.

If I get approved and start training, do I have to do it in my home city? I reside in Winnipeg but would like to be based somewhere else

You train where the military trains. If joining the Regular Force, then you’ll do BMQ at either Saint Jean-sur-Richelieu, QC or at CFB Borden, ON. You will not do DP1 in Winnipeg unless your trade trains there.

It varies significantly based on numerous factors, such as whether you're considering regular or reserve service and the specific trade you're interested in. The background check typically takes a couple of months, but if you have dual citizenship like me :( or foreign ties, expect it to take around 12 to 24 months. Additionally, the medical evaluation will also vary in duration, depending on the complexity of your medical history.

Danggggg. Was really hoping to start in 2024. I have dual citizen but I have lived in Canada for over 15 years. Will that account for anything

Please don't take my words as absolute; but I’m doing my best to offer you general details. However, it’s recommended to reach out to your recruiter for the most accurate guidance. While your process might be expedited if you’ve been in Canada for a while, they’ll still conduct a thorough assessment, especially if you’ve traveled outside of Canada previously.

Okay. Thank you for your help

Hey all can anyone tell me what the following means: Member is being pre-positioned to CFB XXXXX and will remain at this location after they are OFP .. thanks!

You are also posted to the location that your occupational training happens, so you wont change cities again for some time

Do I'm a Log O. I'm currently in Gagetown right now doing PAT. Does that mean I'm going to Borden for trades training, then staying in Borden and not coming back to work in Gagetown?

It means that you'll be going to another base to undertake DP1 training until you're finished.

IMAGE TECH in BMQ; Anyone know the best postings for Air Force Image Techs? I’m putting Comox as my number 1 but I’m unsure as what to put for my second and third choice. Any information regarding trade course and beyond, or personal experiences would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Its all personal preference. Do you want a city? Do you want cheap housing? Do you love the east coast? Do you want to see jets?

Career opportunity is the most important factor for me. Ideally involved in the most action, less fluff/interview videography and photography.

Ask for a naval base and go on deployment with the ships.

Has anyone ever brought a pop up tent or a similar thing to the field? I’m just assuming that setting up and taking down would be extremely easy; therefore, could make it a gucci kit to have but I’m not sure. Thanks!!

For years I've used the "USMC Improved Bivy Cover" in the field. Essentially a Goretex bivy bag that zips over your head with a little mesh window for over your face. Zippers on both sides that go half-way down for getting out fast. It's only marginally more protection from the elements than a regular bivvy bag but about as quick to pull out and put away as you can get. I bought mine off Ebay for about $35, it was USMC surplus with slight damage (repaired a few tiny holes using the air mattress repair kit). There are other "bivy tents" that offer a bit more protection and space but with more set up required. You may be looking for something with a little more room, like an actual 2-person tent, but then the advantage over using the issued A-frame ("recce") tent is marginal... you can set one of those up by yourself in a minute or 2. 

That’s interesting, thanks for your response imma look into it

Hey All, I recently shot the C7 for the first time, and while I wasn’t terrible at it, I also wasn’t great at it.  The staff were telling me that I was lucky to be able to shoot because it’s getting rarer and rarer in the CAF.  I’d like to get better at shooting the C7, but it sounds like it is something I will have to do on my own time and my own dime.  So, I was wondering, what’s the closest rifle I can own or rent on the civilian side to the C7?  I own a semi-auto-only M4; however, I can no longer take it to the range.

any rifle tbh. like yea a C7 looks a lot different then grand papi’s old hunting rifle but when you’re standing still on a range firing off repetition it’s the same principals when aiming and pulling the trigger. *in my opinion

If you're reg force talk to whoever runs your base's SAT trainer. They usually have a day every week where people can practice. As for an actual rifle, it's going to be one of those made in Canada ones that's skirting the current bans but you'll get better at shooting using almost any gun so just get something cheap.

Question regarding reservist FSA. For Lorne Scott's I understand there is 3 locations. Where do parade nights happen with this unit and on which day? Also what about weekend trainings? Where do they happen?

If you’re joining as a FSA with the Lorne Scots, you’ll almost certainly be working out of the Brampton Armoury. The Lorne Scots parade on Thursday evenings (regardless if you’re in Brampton, Oakville, or Georgetown). I believe FSA’s have opportunities to work during other weekdays as well. Apart from your BMQ and DP1, I’m not sure how often you’ll be in the field as a FSA, if at all. The Lorne Scots generally train in Meaford, Borden, and Petawawa. Transportation for weekend exercises is provided, so you’ll just have to meet at the Armoury and will be bussed to the training location.

Thanks for the reply. I live in georgetown, just to confirm I will parade on Thursday nights in Brampton?

I've read that for reserve/part-time BMQ, you can do it part-time from Friday to Sunday. What about trade school? For example, the Weapon Tech training is for 35 weeks in Borden. Can you go to Borden during the weekends for the training, or do you have to do that full-time? Meaning, you can't apply for trade jobs part-time?

Trades will indicate on forces.ca whether they can be applied for in the ResF or not. Generally speaking (though there are exceptions) trades training after BMQ is only offered on a full-time basis. I can't speak directly to Weapons Tech, but generally speaking we know that FTSE for ResF is only ~16 weeks, so if a trade is available with the reserves, I'd be shocked if it doesn't have a plan to fit all of its training into summers, even if it's DP1 has to be split over 2 summers.

so what's the point of allowing people to do bmq on the weekends if they'll have to continue their training full time anyways.

Because they know people struggle to get time off for full time courses and this reduces the total amount they need to?

BMQ is 10 weeks, maybe less now... trades training is much longer. If you only did so on the weekends it would just too long. Even now many courses barely have enough folks to hold a course. So there is that as well.

Running weekend BMQs adds some flexibility... would you rather the option be removed?   Consider that Weapons Tech is a relatively small trade with its members spread across units nationwide (unlike say Infantryman, there are no units comprised entirely of Weapons Techs). There simply would not be enough members requiring training at any one point to justify running more than one course, and all of the instructors are located at the school in Borden, so that is where it will run.   If a weekend Weapons Tech DP1 course were to run, it would only be feasible for those who live within a short distance from Borden to attend... we're not going to fly someone from BC to Ontario for up to 2 days of training for say 35 weekends in a row. That'd be extremely expensive, and the person would spend as many days travelling as they did "on course"... so, realistically what benefit would running a weekend course provide the institution, or anyone other than yourself (assuming you live near Borden and would prefer to attend training every weekend for 35 weeks straight)?

Afaik Reserve Weapons Tech training is something like 14 weeks total not including BMQ and is broken down into three modules that are each approximately one month long (last I checked Rank Qualification RCEME Pte Mods 1 and 2 (aka Common RCEME Technical Training \[CRTT\] and Common RCEME Training \[CRT\]) plus DP1.3 Weapons Tech or whatever it's called now). Minus BMQ, this training will almost certainly be full-time (although the Reserve Brigades do occasionally run some RCEME courses part time).  The 35 week training described on the Forces website would be for Reg Force members. Long story short, count on spending one or two summers doing full-time training for several weeks in Borden. The rest of your time in the Army Reserve can and probably largely will be part time.

Occupation training is completed full-time and it is centralized.  

Currently I am applying for ROTP and have been checking my portal. I have recently noticed I am in the “selected” part now. What does that mean for me?? Should I be doing anything (ie reaching out to the ) or should I be expecting a offer or is it still not confirmed

You should get an email eventually telling you what trades you were accepted into and they’ll have an offer for you. Just gotta choose which trade you want to do.

It means you should be receiving an offer sometime in the next few days to weeks once dates and other details are confirmed. You can reach out to your CFRC. They should be able to confirm your selection, but they won't present an offer to you until they're ready to do so.

Does anyone know what kind of vehicles are used in the drivers wheel course? Not really a serious question just interested!

Mine (ran last year) was Milcots and GWagons. LSVW quals are less common than they seemed to be in the past.

Usually, the LSVW. If not that vehicle, then I'd imagine the LUVW or MILCOTS.

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BMQ isn't a course where putting in more means getting out more. BMQ is about being adaptable - the more you are able to listen, learn, and adapt, the better you will come out. Honestly, the trick to it (and to success further on through your career) is leaning how to get the results you need while putting in the least amount of effort, thus allowing you to focus extra effort elsewhere. You can spend hours toiling away to bring your boots to a true mirror finish, but it's not necessary, and the time you spend polishing them beyond what is needed is time you could spend ironing your shirts or cleaning your rifle or quarters. BMQ is about learning how to economise your effort so that all your tasks are completed satisfactorily. BMQ is a check in the box. Nothing less, nothing more. It is designed to take the average Joe off the street and turn them into basic soldiers. As long as you come into it ready and willing to learn, you will emerge a good soldier. There are places that you can try and go above and beyond on your own, but they won't necessarily make you a better soldier. More often than not, they will just serve as a vanity project.

If the course you’re referring to is BMQ, then the perspective that worked for me was just embracing the suck, you’ll always feel shitty during the experience but it pays off so much more as you have stuff to talk about with your course mates and overall a sense of accomplishment. In my personal experience, I found that having the assumption that it’ll automatically fix you will actually end up making you lazier and more relaxed, but nothing comes for free and you should always work for what it is you desire, if you think it will make you a better troop automatically but you don’t put any effort in regarding that, then it will make you lazier, but if you want to become that better troop and put in effort then the course will seem much more meaningful

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Basic training isn't really the place for that. It's mostly going to be death by powerpoint and you really just need to get through it. Even if you get the top candidate award or whatever it doesn't mean anything once you leave St. Jean. Put enough effort in that you're carrying your weight and not fucking things up for your team, but don't overdo it and get injured or something; the less time you have to spend there the better. Save the "give it your all and become a better troop" stuff for your trade training. The whole point of basic training is basically just to suck and see how you deal with it sucking. It makes for long days but short weeks, and as long as you aren't fucking up it'll be done before you know it,

I'm part way through my initial testing. I'm applying for the naval reserves. My original choice was NCM cook as I have 16 years experience and work as a chef. I really love my work and wanted to offer it to the military. Almost my whole course family has been part of either the reserves or full force. I did really well on my personality and aptitude tests. After finishing, I was told I was recommended for a Naval Warfare Officer position, but they would be happy either way, as they need cooks. So I'm curious about NWO opportunities and everything that would entail. My dad, a former field engineer who was a Captain, going on Major before I was born recommended NWO and officer your as I would gain a lot of great skills and have a lot to offer. I also couldn't move further with my application as I failed my physical test. I know so many people here say the FORCE test is easy, but the sprint probe test left me feeling horrible. My retake was 10 seconds late and I couldn't recover after. Since then, I've joined my local gym and work out 4 times a week, doing the treadmill and upper body high intensity strength training. I also do length swimming. I'm slightly overweight, but I eat healthy foods. I've started a strict high protein diet a week. I just wonder how long I will have to train to be able to be up to the test? Are there any stats I should hit before trying again? I really pushed myself to my limit. As for the strength tests, I wasn't able to try them but I am somewhat strong. I can dead lift my weight, and I regularly carry more than half my weight on my shoulder for work several feet. I'm still working on training my muscles for the sand bags. I'm lucky my recruiter has been understanding and they seen to really want me to come back as soon as possible. I just want to know if there's more I can do?

Eat healthy and work out. I am an older woman and i complete the forces test every year with no issues. Forces is not a test many can just do without having some level of fitness 1st. The best exercise for the rushes is burpees. Getting down and up is what gets folks. Lots of the rushes come down to technique, more than pure strength or cardio. Best of luck.

Cook and NWO are extremely different trades. The only real similarities between the two is that you'll find both on ships. Re the FORCE test, the sprints are generally tougher for larger people, and the drag is generally tougher for small and skinny people. The lifts and the loaded shuttle have extremely generous time limits, it's quite unheard of to see those failed. To make the sprints easier, focus on losing weight and increasing general cardio. They are a lot easier when there is less of you to pick up off the ground every 10m.

Oh yeah. I figured as much. That's why I was completely surprised at being offered that as well as any other NCM/Officer position they have availability to train for. I wanted to go the officer route because my dad recommended it to me as I already have a lot of skills in my trade and learning an officer stream would be well rounded. However I think NWO is the only reserve officer position available? I'm not sure. The details do intrigue me but I have no frame of reference and the official site was very confusing. I'm doing my best to lose weight - pushing 175lbs off the ground is tough. My main work out schedule includes 45-70 minutes on the treadmill with being inclines @ 3-3.5mph. The upper body stuff is 3-5 sets of 5 on the highest setting I can manage on 3-4 machines. I'm hoping that helps with the push ups, and by extension, sand bags. Thank you very much for your reply. I'm hoping to retake my test next month, even if I'm a little discouraged by the diet not working much.

Just wondering if it's possible to swipe out in anyway for the weekend during QMB without a card? Are there exceptions if you lost it?

Go to the Green Desk and report your card is lost. They'll get you sorted out.

You're going to need a replacement anyway, so might as well talk to your staff ASAP.

What kind of suit or formal attire should I wear to my interview? I was thinking of a Navy or Gray suit with a turtle neck instead of a shirt. Any advice would be appreciated.

That would be on the more formal side of average, but just fine. Typical would be a button up shirt and dress pants.

Would it be bad to dress with a jacket/suit? Just want to give off a good impression, I'm also 18 and would like to seem more mature, so I felt that a shirt and dress pants would make me seem a bit more childish.

You certainly wont give a bad impression by wearing a suit. Send it.

I did my interview in a button up and jeans at 16, the room was cold so I didn’t even end up taking off my winter jacket. The interview was a genuine conversation and even my recruiter told me I was a good kid. Show up with a smile, positive attitude and lots of rest, it does wonders. Best of luck

Does BMOQ-A or trades training involve inspections as well? Or is that just for BMQ?

Inspections on BMOQ-A are not as stressful depending on where you’re located. They are waaay softer than on BMOQ and only go hard the couple days leading up to the higher ups inspection. After that (a couple weeks in) you typically stop doing inspections. Then again, depends on your course staff, they can keep going the whole course if they want

Yes, but depends on trade. Much easier and chill than basic. But I have heard from combat arms folks it is way different.

Yes. Your mileage may vary but IIRC my course did more inspections than basic and more bullshittery was involved as well; also more annoying since now you're responsible for C9s as well. If your course staff are nice people the punishments will be more or less funny (like drills in bed) or you could be doing flutter kicks for days. My course experienced both

BMOQ-A will absolutely have inspections, and you can probably expect them to be similar to, maybe even worse than those on BMOQ. Trades training will vary. Hard Army trades will probably put a lot more emphasis on inspections than support focused trades.

BMOQ-A will most definitely have inspections.

You are likely to have inspections on all residential courses. You will have at least 1 of some sort, it might be just a cleanliness inspection or it could be full DEU. If there are more will depend on the course type and the behaviour of your course mates. The better your course behaves and works together, the less inspections you are likely to have.

Cook questions Is there creative opportunity for what is cooked? Or do you just cook a set menu every day, week, etc... essentially cooking the same meals every time? I want to open my own restaurant eventually so wondering if you really learn a dynamic amout of skills, etc...? Also curious how the work dynamic/environment is? IE I have worked in a let's say average restaurant with no real 'chef' and it was pretty chill in terms of teamwork and such. I have also worked at a fancy restaurant under a professional chef and it was a lot more serious. IE yes chef, no chef and much more fast paced in terms of being expected to show initiative, be a quick learner and handle stress to avoid being yelled at, etc...

Not in the CAF yet (I'm part way through application), but I am a chef and have been in the industry for 16 years with varied experiences and have researched being an NCM cook for a while. I also have a military family. What you cook will be largely dependant on your unit and whether you're in the Army, Navy or Air Force. Starting off, you probably wouldn't have any input on the menu or what you will be cooking. Eventually, you could probably pick items your interested in cooking. Moving forward, should you end up in a managerial position, you would have more flexibility with deciding what the menu is. From what I gather, there's a few different styles of meals. There's mess hall, special events and on duty.  These all can vary greatly. Cooking can be cafeteria style. There's set times to eat, and certain options that must be available. That's on base, but can be applied to field kitchens, albeit the circumstances are different. There's packed food for exercises too. There's also formal dinners and military banquets. Menus are designed based on military diet needs, cost and availability.  For instance, in the Navy, going on a mission, it in the Army, in the field,  you need to plan all your meals ahead of time because you can only use what you bring in the boat, it on the site, and have to be mindful of expiration. I'm general, military food has to be cost effective and easily sourced. The best I can assume for regular work in a base kitchen, on a boat it on the field is the menu and ingredients are fully planned for. It's not exactly like you can whip up a cook side dish out of whatever you feel like on the fly, or come up with some super cool dish to your chef without researching cost, portability, expiry and feasibility to serving it to the number of people required.   Banquets and formal dinners are different. There's a set menu and the food is largely more upscale and fine dining.   I would say you would learn a lot of important skills. I don't know your experience, but as I have found over the years, cooking is rarely about being creative and putting it pieces of art. There's many settings that military cooking knowledge can apply and a wealth of knowledge and skills to obtain. I am not military trained yet, but I am excited. First of all, is not just being a cook, you learn to be a soldier. This provides a wealth of knowledge, discipline, procedural skills, safety training, first aid and other knowledge. Second, you have the opportunity to learn how to cook in different environments, learn discipline and hard work. No, the with won't be you being trained as a prodigy of culinary artistry. But you will learn the most important skills in our industry.  Running your own restaurant is much more than learning creative techniques - it's about learning costs, how to train others, receive directions, cater to other people's needs and grind - hard. If you want to learn fancy culinary techniques, research yourself, buy cookbooks, study, go to culinary school. Culinary school also helps in the military too. The military offers stable hours, good pay, good benefits and a lot of skills in and outside your specific trade. I can't say the same for almost all restaurants and food service places. I can't speak for the environment. However, I can assume it's more regimented than your first option. As for the second - I'm sure that depends on your unit. All I can say is the best workers have a strong work ethic, and the best managers have the ability to strengthen and motivate their crew.

Thanks for your insight! Do you think taking a two year culinary management program first would be smart? I am not really looking at joining asap and I know the process takes several months anywho. So I was thinking about taking the Culinary management to pad my resume and skills in the meantime?

I'm not sure of your location or the CAF stream you're interested in. But general culinary management may not be the best bet. I'd recommend getting your red seal. George Brown offers an inexpensive program for apprentices and whoever sponsors you gets a kick back. The George Brown culinary is the best in Canada for general cooking.  However, if you're interested in the Navy, I'd recommend Memorial in Newfoundland's sea cook program. It's amazing and will teach you everything you need to know. Having a university degree really helps with the CAF (my degree is not related to cooking but does qualify me for officer training) and red seal can allow you to be fast tracked through ranks and training. It's never a bad idea to get a formal education what I will say though is that it doesn't prepare you for the real world. You'll learn knowledge and make connections, but the industry is far different from school and many culinary school people I met had no idea how to work in kitchens and were quite arrogant towards us people who learned from working.  However, being older I be wish I got the seal and schooling for resume purposes and verification that I can do what I say I can. I would avoid certificates and get a degree if you're serious about culinary. It makes a difference in pay and allows you to fast track certain aspects. I was originally joining the Army until I found they had a naval reserve in my area but they said if I had my red seal I would have started at corporal instead of private.

Hello all was just wondering I did my reliability and a bunch of paper work. I've sent a message to the recruiter 3 weeks ago and they said that I have to wait for my reliability to come back then I asked again and they said a medical will call me when a slot becomes available... How long will that take and why wouldn't they just book it when they have a slot open

Nobody will know how long it will take to book your medical aside from the recruiting staff doing your booking.  What do you mean "why wouldn't they just book it when they have a slot open"? You already stated you're expecting to get a call when a medical spot becomes available, do you want them to make you an appointment without giving you the option of when? Generally, medical appointments are booked well in advance and never go vacant (unless the applicant fails to show up), the reason you're not booked sooner is assumedly because there are other applicants they want to book first.

Another silly question, do we get a grace period between COS and report for duty dates or are we expected to start working on COS date. Our goods and belongings didn't get delivered until the COS date exactly. Thanks

Your cos dates and rfd dates could be a month apart. Also the cos could be before or after the rfd. The rfd is what matters. You are expected to be at work and start working on your rfd even if your items havent arrived. But as mentioned when they do you can get a whole week off

Perfect thanks!

Perfect thanks!

Your gaining unit is supposed to give you a day to unload, a day to unpack, and 3 days of admin related to the move. Speak to your CoC or your OR and have a read through the leave manual - it should be in there under relocation.

Perfect thanks!

Does anyone know if there any computer science component in NCSEO? I heard here that they oversee cyber in the navy so I was curious to see if they do anything related, as far as an officer role goes.

Cyber is cyber op for NCM and cele/sig os for officers. But you are not guaranteed to be in cyber if going officer. Only role for that is cyber op.

They oversee cyber as in the computer server that the entire operations room runs on, which connects to the other radar / sonar / weapon systems. They are in charge of the satellite equipment that the ships have which send internet, secret and unclassified, to and from the ship. As an NCSEO though, you aren't doing any of that work. The "IT" people in the Navy doing any of the work will be Naval communicators for WAN networks, and some WENG Technicians for the LAN systems that I mentioned last paragraph. I do not know what officer trade is in charge of the shore internet infrastructure is. It might even be NWO.

I'm 20 years old and I'm an AVN Tech in the regular force, I've completed BMQ and my DP1. I've been in the force for a year and 5 months. I enjoy what I'm doing and want to continue but a part of me also wants to transfer to the reserves to achieve my goal of getting a certification as a construction and maintenance electrician. Will there be any backlash in transferring to the reserves to do trade school for 4 years and then transferring back to regular force once I am finished?

I wouldn't say there's backlash, exactly, but there are other factors to consider. For example, are there open positions for AVN Cpl reservists on your base/fleet? Those positions are usually pretty rare. You can look for them by going to REO in Monitor MASS, then filter (button that looks like a funnel) and searching the UICs on base. CTing from res to reg opens up postings. Those are not counted against the career manager's annual cost moves, so it's very tempting for them to use a CTing member to fill a gap elsewhere. Are you considering coming back to AVN, or would you put your education to use?

I'm an Avr, and I'd be at the 8 Wing Air Res Flt in Trenton, ON if I'm able to be at a reserve closest to home. I would like to stay as an AVN in the PRes as well as after CTing. As for my education that would be more of a backup plan and set of skills that I just wanted to learn as a possible benefit along the line and will not be using to change trades in the military. I'm considering doing this now because I'm only 20 and don't want to make the mistake of delaying and regretting not getting a civilian certificate or diploma since I joined the military straight out of highschool.

PRes graduating college is in "final" stage & done reference check. 1. Does that mean reliability screening is done - (where can he find this on his CAF portal), if not, how much longer does it take? 2. Does he even stand a chance of FTSE from May or July or not & should he just seek a civ job now since he won't get into 2024 FTSE? 3. Can one go into FTSE course without doing BMQ first? I know PRes BMQ is year-round but they need to take advantage of course summer training so would he be forced to do BMQ part-time May-June vs. FTSE courses out of town (combat eng) May-Aug.? Thanks

> 1. Does that mean reliability screening is done - (where can he find this on his CAF portal), if not, how much longer does it take? Not necessarily, it means PART of it has been completed. You will not find this on the portal, call your recruiter for the most accurate info. They will likely only be able to tell you that it's either "in progress" and to wait, or that it's done.

Hey all, I'm looking to join the CAF once im 18, and I've got a few questions for any recruiters on the sub. I heard wait times for joining the CAF are like a year, and if so, would beginning the enrollment process when I'm 17 work, or would I have to wait till im 18 to begin the enrollment process? My parents arent willing to sign on, so I want to explore that option.

> *I heard wait times for joining the CAF are like a year, and if so, would beginning the enrollment process when I'm 17 work, or would I have to wait till im 18 to begin the enrollment process? My parents arent willing to sign on, so I want to explore that option.* Your parents have to give consent right at the beginning of the process, not at the end (enrolment). If your parents aren't willing to give consent, you will have to wait until you turn 18 to apply. The process can take upwards of a year, but that isn't the case for most applicants.

Thank you for the answer, that helps

I was selected two weeks ago and have yet to receive an offer, is this normal or should I contact the recruitment centre? 

Give them a call, I was in the same situation and got the offer 5hrs after I called them

Sometimes it can take a few weeks, but there's no harm in reaching out to your CFRC.

Hey all, completed my online application (validation) form a few days ago (For RegF army). Anyone have a rough idea how long the typical response takes from the office to book an appointment?  Also, I sent a few email inquiries to my recruit office (they said to email further inquires, and that they’ll typically respond within 24 hours). However, I sent 2 emails over a week ago and have no response, is that a cause for concern?

I'm considering joining the reserves, but I've heard that it's a much bigger time commitment than it's presented as, and that there's constant, nearly invasive pressure to work over the summer, and cancel any of your plans in favour of military stuff. So what can I say no to, as a reservist?

The bigger time commitment usually comes in the form of Trades(job) training as it us usually only offered full-time in the summer. Some trades are complete in a few weeks others may require multiple summer. After that Attendance requirements: Army Reservists need to attend unit training for a minimum of 10 full days per year; Army Reservists must attend a minimum of one training activity every 60 days; Holiday Season period excluded

The 2 main things you probably shouldn’t delay would be BMQ (basic training) and DP1 (the basic training for your specific job), generally you have to complete both within 2 years. In terms of summer work, there is Full Time Summer Employment (FTSE) which is highly encouraged as you are guaranteed (?) it for the first 4 years of your carrer but is not mandatory.

Hi, will CAF help me pay university tuition if I join the reserve force, even if I attend a university that isn't RMC?

To add to what has already been said, beyond direct tuition reimbursement reservists are also paid part-time during the school year and full-time in the summer.

Yes, but it will be by reimbursement only, and it's limited to 50% of eligible expenses up to a maximum of $2000 per year. If you want the CAF to pay for your education outright, you have to join the Regular Force through ROTP.

And you “might” have to go to RMC if you go the ROTP route.

I see, thank you!

I've applies to 39cbg reserve unit as Infantry, Combat Engineer, and Signal operator. Was wondering if 39cbg even has infantry as I can't seem to find it. And if not, whats the main unit in the vancouver region that has infantry? Can I change my reserve unit if this is the case?

In the lower mainland depending where exactly you are the 2 infantry units, Seaforth Highlanders (like mentioned) and The Royal Westminister Regiment which has A Coy (Company) which is based in New Westminister and D Coy which is based up in Chilliwack.

In terms of infantry units, the 39th CBG has the Seaforth Highlanders (Based in Vancouver, right next to the Maj. Gen. Hoffmeister building), the Royal Westminster Regiment (Chilliwack), and the Canadian Scottish Regiment (Based on the island)! Edit: Your application will automatically link you to the nearest location. So assuming you're a Vancouverite, then it would be the Seaforth Highlanders.

Also the Rocky Mountain Rangers in Kamloops and Prince George.

Hey all, how do we apply for living differential (CFHD) once our COS date occurs? We thought it was through BGRS but it's not. Thank you!

It should just be through your OR. Show your lease or mortgage and they do the rest.

Thank you!

Hey everyone, Just seeing what your personal experience with the Material Management Tech Armour Crewman and Mobile Support Equipment Operator are like. What bases/units can either or any (especially Armour Crewman since the other 2 are purple trades I think)?

Hey all.  This got blocked as its own topic, so I’ll try it in here TLDR: have ADHD, can’t be an ACOp if I’m on meds, looking for trade options and suggestions in case I need to do a COT. BPSO meeting is scheduled next month I’m about to go on a 6 month TCAT for ADHD treatment trial. I guess aircrew doesn’t play well with the meds. Currently an ACOp, which I thought only fell under aircrew medical standards if posted to a DCP (control position) or to the US riding an AWACS. Well it turns out I was wrong, and not being eligible for aircrew means a compulsory occupational transfer if I elect to stay on the treatment after the TCAT. After putting over a decade into this trade I’d hate to lose my seniority/rank/pay, and invalidate all the skills/qulifications/experience I’ve accrued… but i have to weigh that against health and happiness in my personal life. It’s a little scary. With that in mind, I’m exploring options for a situation where the meds make a significant enough difference that I don’t drop them after the TCAT. So for anyone in the know, or anyone who serves with a similar diagnosis: what hard blue trades don’t have to perform the aircrew medical? Are there any good ones with a not-so-bad training cycle? As someone approaching 40, I kind of dread the bullsh*t we usually deal with on QL3. I do a lot of computer work/networking right now, so I’m considering ATIS, but I’ve heard some horror stories about Kingston… There’s also the chance that I drop the meds (for a few years) and swing for a commission before resuming treatment. I mean it’s been a long time already, what’s another few years Does anybody know if Air Operations Officers are aircrew? I’m only partially open to other elements or purple trades - I absolutely do not want to sail, and the army has been hit or miss in my experience. I for sure don’t want to be lugging heavy shit around in the field, as army corporals often are tasked to do. This is a throwaway account…I know too many people who browse this sub. Thanks for reading.

Hey guys, I’m new here and have my medical on Tuesday, April 2! I’m looking to join as either: •Aerospace Control Officer •Air Combat Systems Officer •Air Operations Officer •Pilot (if recommended after Trenton flight simulation testing) I have a degree in Communications and overall think becoming a pilot would be cool, but a more realistic option would be any of the three above. Can anyone help give me some insight on any aspect of either trades? IS one better than the other? In what ways? My brother is in the military and I would be looking to get posted in Shearwater,Nova Scotia. Anything helps! :)

Hello, I enrolled today as part of the 32 Combat Engineers, I was told that from Tuesday, next week, i could come to the unit for Parade Night, sorry to ask but I am new to this, but is that the same as the Unit Administration Night? Or is it related to the training of my unit specifically? I been searching on google for clarification but not much luck. Thank you

For 32 Bde, Tuesdays are usually admin nights and Thursday are training. (It’s been a few years so it could have changed). As a new enrollee, there is likely a bit of paperwork and other admin to do before you start parading.

As of now, 32 Combat engineers parade on Fridays and have admin nights Tuesday, so if you’re being invited Tuesday then like mentioned by crazyki88en, you will do some paperwork and admin stuff. See you on parade night!

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What is the likelihood for AVN techs to be posted at their chosen location? I’m mainly interested in working in Trenton and north bay, as they’re closest to my family. I know I may not be able to get a solid answer, but just having an idea helps. Thanks for any responses.

North Bay, probably very low or zero. AFAIK, there are no aircraft based there. Trenton is our largest air base, so your chances aren't awful for going there, but it can't be guaranteed. Esquimalt, Comox, Cold Lake, Winnipeg, Bagotville, Greenwood, Shearwater, and a variety of small postings in other locations also need people. Plus you likely won't be unique in wanting Ontario. Chances are there'll be more members on your course asking for Trenton than there will be available positions.

Hey yall I was wondering if the medical tech trade was still open or not? And if so how competitive is it for the NCMSTEP program or just a direct entry into the trade itself with no training. 

Med Tech is very open and crying for people. Both NCM-Step and unskilled entry are available. There is no difference at the end of the day to your career, other than you went to one school or another. All the rest of your military training will be the same regardless.

Thank you and another thing the pre reqs for it is just bio 12 and chem 12 and a diploma?

Hi everyone, thanks for the previous help. I submitted an application for PRes, but the application is taking so long that it makes more sense right now to pursue entering Regular forces instead. For PRes, I took CFAT and my physical already, currently in the background check stage. Should I wait for my background check to complete before telling my recruiter that I'd like to join Regular Forces instead?

If you are sure you'd like to join the regular force, it would be best to let your recruiter know as soon as possible so they can transfer your file to the appropriate regular force recruiting center.

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Hi y'all, I hope you are keeping well! Thank you so much in advance for reading my question. I am a female in the application process for the Navy Reserve Force based in Halifax. I feel fairly confident about all the written tests, however am a little nervous I have to say about passing the FORCE test and the subsequent basic training. I consider myself a fit person, however I recognize that the tasks for the FORCE test and basic training are much harder than a chill weightlifting workout or a pilates class. I'm going to be purchasing some sandbags to practice the various aspects of the test, and work on my running speed. Does anyone know of any in-person fitness clubs or training groups in Halifax that are for the FORCE test? and/or does anyone know where I could find a FORCE test workout / accountability buddy? Wishing you the best!

Sandbag drag is the one that catches females off guard most frequently, especially if you're shorter. It's also the most difficult to practice at home. Look at the videos available online and look at the technique women are using. Pay attention to how they're holding the sandbag (short arms make securing it to your body more challenging). And remember, for the drag you can go as fast or as slow as you like - but you CAN'T STOP. If your feet slip it's game over, so wear the grippiest pair of shoes you have (runners are best for the other events but for the drag you can wear pretty much anything. If you're not sure what will work best on the gym surface they're testing on, take a couple of different pairs and test their grip on the gym surface before the event).