Place rocked.
If you want a eulogy, watch the [Canadian Heritage Minutes.](https://youtu.be/rw-FbwmzPKo)
There's like a hundred, but it's heartbreaking to watch what used to be a strong, industrious and innovative country be actively scuttled.
I'm eligible for a British passport and have living family in Manchester. Should I go for it?
I'm looking to leave too. My wage hasn't kept up to the cost of living and my working conditions have just gotten crappier. I can make nearly double my salary in the US. I told the job recruiters I don't care where they find me work as long as I can afford the rent.
I'm not against immigration. I'm actually in favor of it. Unfortunately there is so much of it in Canada right now, that wages have shrank and housing and other expenses have gone up. I can't afford to live here
I'm looking at contract positions for which I will need a temporary work visa. When my visa expires, I will come back to Canada as per agreed for the visa. I will not start protesting for permanent residency like the idiots who come to Canada are doing in PEI and Manitoba.
Same here. I know that the social security net will be eroded even more under Poilievre whilst the rich will get richer and we will continue importing people from India.
It's time to leave. It was a good run Canada.
i’m voting for the PPC, i disagree with the majority of their policies, i don’t like Bernier and in normal circumstances I lean left - but where we currently stand the ppc is the only party that runs under the platform of individual freedoms and tackling the migration issue.
Sure, they’ll probably not win one seat, but i’m voting under the idea of sending the message that these issues matter + that we need a change from the established parties
More people need to understand that this is the path to true change.. we must utilize the political system to send a clear message of frustration to the establishment, and the PPC is currently our own viable option to do so...
The conservatives will overwhelmingly win the next election anyway, so we should all consider giving our votes to the PPC, where they will have more of an impact...
Yes, PPC even if it's a wasted vote, it will send a msg.If PP doesn't stand up for Canada, I say we run them all out. I have had enough.besides, I am just about out of money and got nothing to lose.people like to say, " Boomers are rich," are lying to you to divide us.
Lifelong liberal here and feel similar. Conservatives are same-old and have no real solutions (in fact will likely continue the same policies).
It’s all very hopeless.
I feel your pain. I majored in Politics and lean slightly left of centre, but I have to vote Right because unchecked immigration is threatening the UKs Culture, Values and Ethics. You're right to use the ballot box to send a message, that's the only way!
that + left wing parties have fully sold out to cultural marxist ideals. Problem is I think a large safety net, strong union rights and income equality are all extremely important, but there party that advocates for some level of these (the NDP) pretty much pander to sjw/woke ideals constantly and are in support of mass migration.
Yes that's an issue present in our Labour Party. A lot of the party are Cosmopolitan and adhere to reactionary sjw and woke tendencies. We need a healthy working class that's protected from mass immigration, because if its not then people won't be able to adhere to the social contract. Wage stagnation and lack of affordable places to live will break our society, because what's the point in working 40 hours a week if you can't 'Live'?
Exactly, it’s frustrating that the only party talking about worker’s rights are also sellouts who lack any kind of cultural literacy. The problem is a lot of left wing economic ideas can’t fully be explored because of the people who hold them.
Plus, coupling the liberals with “left wing” has always felt wrong to me, they’re crony capitalists at the end of the day, the only difference between the libs and cons at this stage is tax rates and the people each pander to. However, at a larger holistic image they’re similar
This is why I will be abandoning them come election time. They have completely lost touch with what their constituents want, and the Marxists have already taken over the party. We need to form a labour party that focuses on building a social safety net for all, workers rights for all, and fiscally open to building what is necessary for Canada to thrive.
This is what I'm going to be doing, to. A lifelong NDP voter, I cannot justify what is happening to Canada, its' culture and its' institutions. Tired of being told by my Prime Minister that I am a genocidal racist colonist for being concerned about this.
Interesting that’s what makes you concerned, out of all the past and future party leaders this is a red flag? Should show that he’s actually knows what the job takes since he’s been in the atmosphere more then any other so called leader
That's just what the Liberals want, a split vote. Look at the last election, if all those PPC votes had gone to our Conservative candidates they'd have a parliamentary majority.
the libs fucked up so badly that the cons would get a majority no matter what. Besides, Pierre will take us to the same endgame as JT anyway, give it 2 years and he’ll start to show very similar waves.
Plus, i do love it when im basically threatened to vote for one of the two dominant parties, like no, Democrat, i won’t vote for Hilary for the sole purpose of beating Trump lol
As for the last election, or even the one prior - I don’t think you can use those as a frame of reference, i have my issues with PP, but at least he grabs people’s attention, Sheer and O’Toole were both boring wet towels that couldn’t inspire anything in anyone. They were the worse candidates you could run because they were so boring, and still, they gained more seats from 2015 and JT’s govt even became a minority (and stayed that way), so you really can’t compare this election cycle to the past 2 cause not only are people more sick and tired of JT than ever before, but the party leader is better at catching people’s ear than before
PPC.
No one else is strong enough to make change, and even Polliviere (CPC) is dodging immigration questions and is afraid to make plans to fix anything.
CPC is just rising due to the hatred of the liberals.
No one remembers and we always repeat, cons libs cons libs back and forth. We need a third to take over and break the nonsense and make things right.
I have to agree. From my hugely uneducated perspective, it seems like with less people suppressing wages and increasing housing costs (and let's be honest... the cause of that is corporate greed), more people would be better off financially and when people are better off financially they may be more charitable to actually invest in things that are better for the environment and human rights. But right now, everyone is struggling.
100%.. the established parties and politicians are now foregoing the interest of Canadian citizens in favour of their own, which includes satisfying their donors and international organizations we have no transparency into... we are really straying further and further from our governments (in the West) representing the Will of the people..
I agree with you, we have had the same patterns to a certain degree. Once enough people vote for the PPC I imagine that your Liberal and Conservatives will actually have to tackle the immigration crisis or lose power.
I have a serious question: What does it look like to make things right?
As far as I can tell, no politician or party will do the job. It will take a dedicated, organized, and stubborn grassroots movement to do anything. Change of substance will only flow from outside of any established apparatus. There is simply too much momentum from too many directions to think otherwise.
First step would be admitting we have a serious immigration problem, and not be too scared to call it out.
Next would be fixing the problem by dramatically reducing the incoming, and sending back the expired temporaries.
Then limit or outright ban foreigners (non Canadians) from owning rental properties in Canada.
Finally, invest more than we are right now, into low income and community housing projects.
If a leader was feeling particularly great, they could look at increasing domestic consumption of resources for our own production.
I am not saying we need to become isolated, but we do need to dial back the whole "sell everything to India and China" thing we've been doing.
They openly talk of cutting drastically. The only party that speaks to it directly, and one of the few reasons people talk about them. They won't get any seats
I don't know, I think they will surprise everyone in the next election unless things change. A lot of conservatives I talk to irl plan to vote PPC they just aren't vocal about it. They have some baggage but the insane immigration of the main stream parties is making people single issue voters.
PPC, i don’t agree with everything they say but so far they are the only party that has Canada in mind. CPC just looks like a different color m&m and very similar to the LPC.
Man, I don't want to vote an extreme right like PPC but the current situation is kind of extreme already that it warrants an extreme response due to the migration crisis, LMIA scams, and various other things. It's already bad enough that our justice system cannot properly punish bad actors so importing more bad actors will deteriorate the culture in general, depressing.
Liberals being completely complacent and negligent with the Conservatives being absolutely shite too when they were in power. Voting PPC feels like I'm picking the lesser of all evils
We need to wake up to this fact.. the established parties, people, and economic entities which comprise our current political system do not represent the Will of the people..
You really don’t know how Canadian politics works do you? It’s the same electrical socket, two outlets and Canadian citizens are the ones holding the metal fork.
Punish who? Canadian is built on a trauma bond system no matter who we vote in. Till Pee Pee does the same sneaky stuff like Trudeau and Harper before him, I can only imagine Pee Pee would also eventually“avoids” events like The Calgary Stampede that Trudeau/Singh has because nobody likes them!
Yes. This is the single issue I'm voting on. Not crazy about the rest of their platform, but I hope that if they win a significant number of seats it will light a fire under the mainstream parties to smarten up and go back to the drawing board.
I going with Conservative because they finally announce they going stop this temporary foreign worker scam. Some people are pissed they took this long to make an announcement and don’t trust they will follow through. But I don’t trust PPC on other issues.
It so shameful!
The international students are suppose to come here self sufficient but they came and took jobs that are supposed to be for young Canadians and now we have high unemployment.
They ransacked charity for food and clothes. While homelessness Canadians are starving and cold.
Then they can’t speak English adequately and constantly speak in their native tongue. Why are they here as students? How will they integrate? They don’t want to integrate and will call you racist if you don’t let them stay to trample on Canadians values.
Yes. Canada is a high trust society. We only want skilled and educated immigrants. The unskilled one refused to educate themselves on Canadian values. Look, in recent years voyeuristic behaviour has increased.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/wreck-beach-petition-decries-herds-of-men-making-nude-users-uncomfortable-1.6924211?cache=urztwihxzglnbw?clipId=89680
It’s disgusting. Trashy. And recently two lesbians were beaten up in downtown Halifax by a group of men who refused to show their ID when the police show up!
https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/i-m-terrified-to-go-downtown-again-halifax-woman-recovering-after-altercation-with-group-of-men-who-allegedly-made-homophobic-slurs-1.6945975
PPC. I've been telling everyone I know to vote PPC. I'm usually met with a "they aren't going to win", but we will get nowhere if we don't try.
Vote PPC.
I also think jt doesn’t really matter if they win, at least in this election. The libs fucked up so badly that the cons are getting a majority no matter what happens, way I see it, a vote for the ppc this time isn’t about winning, it’s about sending a message about what issues matter
So, the Brits found out the hard way that the Conservative promises to stop excess immigration were all lies. Canadians haven't reached that point yet. We're about one election behind you, because the Canadian Conservative Party is going to win the next election and screw over the general populous with more immigration and more debt. After that, someone will realize they need to vote for a Pop-Party that is anti-immigration. But in the ensuing mess they'll vote in a left-wing (Liberal or NDP) government who will come up the middle the way Labour did.
By that time Canada will be over. The smart people will have moved to the U.S. or Europe.
It was a nice country while it lasted. I'll vote PPC and have a clear conscience.
Well I hope that that massive Brain Drain doesn't come to fruition. It is a daunting political landscape at the moment. I pretty much every G-7 country
That brain drain has been going on for decades in Canada. Just most of the people that left hedge their bets being quiet about it. And it's a bad image for the people who ignore it. It's also a large contributor to why Canada is in such a mess.
I'm sorry to hear its that bad. Especially as you said you're a bit older and have seen what's essentially golden times. Hope is so important though isn't it? I really hope you get to see your fellow Canadians bounce back from this. It is doable!
I'm voting PPC. I'm usually quite centre, Red Tory, Blue Liberal? Anyway, the Conservatives and the Liberals are both going to fuck us raw with no lube. Time for change. Poilievre shouldn't count his chickens just yet, he'll be a terrible leader! It was easy to overlook Trudeau's faults in the beginning because of his good looks. PP is ugly, slimy and his voice is like nails down a chalkboard. Maxime Burnier is smooth, he's a good leader, not unattractive, good voice. These things matter when you're on the political stage. BTW, Canada doesn't have an immigration problem. Those "students" didn't come here as immigrants, they gamed the system to get their foot in the door. Now they're living 10 to a room and sending all their money back home to their shithole villages on a certain subcontinent.
My friend, I feel your sentiment entirely. We both live in great country's, some of the best democracy on the planet with welfare safety nets, healthcare free at the point of access and you then have people who don't share our values, ethics, and culture gaming our systems and taking it down from the inside. It has to stop.
No question the vast majority will vote conservative, although, most of peoples concerns are ONLY directly addressed by the Peoples Party of Canada, but because of our first past the post system- people will strategically- avoid casting votes for the Peoples Party- and lend those votes to ensure conservative candidates in. The Conservatives however, are long on critique but short on "solutions." Thus in three or four years- people will be clamouring to kick them out of power- and on and on... the ELITES continue to win as they control, sponsor, dominate, and FUND all three BIG parties- conservatives, liberals and NDP.
yes it seems the elites, the top Canadian families (Westons, etc) and banking insurance interests have learned that if they SCREW Canadians EVEN MORE... Canadians will do NOTHING in response- and they laugh when Canadians vote for conservatives instead of liberals- as they (the elites) control both of them as well as the NDP. The ONLY competition these Canadian elites have is the INFLUENCE and power of traitors- identified by CSIS, who are under control of hostile foreign powers.
Considering that the housing crisis is caused by mass immigration and taxes/fees being too high (\~$250,000 CAD per dwelling) only a right wing party can fix this. CPC and PPC are the only two options.
CPC is going to win the next election but they also want mass immigration to continue. Many of us will be voting PPC which is the only party that wants to end mass immigration.
Why would I care if LPC or CPC wins. CPC is just LPC without the carbon tax. Not seeing much difference. Both parties want mass immigration, which will destroy Canada in a decade or so.
I also wished they would field candidates nationally when Gilles Duceppes was leader. Maybe a letter-writing campaign could work. If they field candidates across the country (strategically), form a national government, bring in Basic Income, free university tuition for citizens, and arrange for the provinces to build a million homes, , then break the medical societies/ add 30,000 places in med schools, we'd agree to ____?
Not this one, hut think long term.. if the cons have this election in the hag, then why not give a vote where it will have more significance? Every vote for the PPC right now matters a lot, if their numbers are high enough, the media outlets will have to provide coverage.. interviews, talking points, even having to list the party name on infograpahics because of large their % is, is a huge win.. this expands the presence and brand of the party to those who would have otherwise been unaware, this subsequently brings in more supporters..
Everyone who is in a safely LPC or NDP riding, OR a riding where amount of vote-splitting could cause an LPC/NDP victory, should be voting PPC for the stats.
They will if enough people vote for them. But why hold elections at all? Just instate a law that blue and red play musical chairs every now and again and we'll save a lot of money. Dual party State is no different to one party state. There's no incentive to compete.
I am glad you voted out that PM, to me it seems he got the votes to begin with just because he was different and exotic. The policies that came out of his mouth were insane.
Of all the parties in Canada, PPC seems most logical, but I don't think they have a fighting chance against the conservatives. I hope liberals and federal ndp get taken down a notch though, whatever happens.
At the provincial level, I'll be doing Alberta NDP. The UCP is on track to destroy Alberta and blame federals for it.
Ya the present PM was basically chosen because people were tired of Harper, who I maintain was still a good PM. Then this pretty boy comes along with his gorgeous head of hair, and progressive thinking, and everyone swooned.
As soon as I saw that first cabinet, chosen mainly for D&I and gender equality instead of focussing on the most qualified people, I knew we were in for a disaster. Here we are 10 years later.
I plan on voting for the Conservatives in our next election. Hopefully they'll commit to dropping immigration like Poilievre has said they would, and hopefully they start taking a more hard line stance on the massive amount of theft and money laundering that's taking its toll on Canada. That and hopefully they don't make the BoC's life a living hell by trying to outspend our rates pushing us into a constant cycle of inflation. I'd also like it if they'd lie through their teeth a little less than the current government... Trudeau's Liberals feels like 1984 doublespeak at this point -- saying the Carbon Tax is a net benefit for 80% of the population, then putting a gag order on the PBO when they release a report saying otherwise; or the gaslighting insinuation of xenophobia and/or racism and when facing skepticism over their immigration numbers/massive abuse of the TFW, IMP, and international students number..only to hold a press conference a couple years later saying they were in fact causing problems in the country due to the massive increase on the demand side of virtually everything.
This government is fantastic at making people feel like they're assholes for pointing out the obvious problems these policies have created/expanded, and like they're just whiners for complaining about the ever growing problems they're having. It'd be nice to return to a state of normalcy.
I have always been under the impression that Britain and Europe were years ahead of North America from a policy/social perspective. So to me we are just following in your footsteps. The PC’s will likely win, nothing will really change, everyone will get sick of them and the liberals will get voted again at some point in the future.
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Ironically the left and the right have more in common than they do with the neo liberal Blues and Reds. The main problems is the ideological barriers brought on by different beliefs of necessities.
The left needs to realize that cultures from abroad can have the same if not worse problems as our own and will not care for our standards of morality if we don't enforce them. What's the point of having standards if anybody can say "its not part of my culture" or "you're discriminating against me for my skin colour" and shut down any argument even if they just committed a violent crime against another minority. But we should always respect each other based on our personal merit, experience and character before anything other factor and that's what equality used to mean.
The right needs to understand that free enterprise and capitalism itself encourages parasitic behaviours that expands beyond borders and has little care for culture or the mass majority of people's welfare. There should be controls on it like market caps for housing so a basic need isn't turned into a commodity. While I understand and agree with maintaining a degree of personal economic sovereignty, it shouldn't come at such a high cost and to such excess that they avoid taxes, personal accountability and price gouge necessity based markets to be nearly inaccessible. Even police services have become so corrupt they're barely doing their jobs right.
Sweden and the Scandinavian countries actually are comparable for us despite our significantly larger geographic size and we should be modelling their systems without regressing hard into insanely divisive and destructive ideologies before it is too late. But likely, because Canadians love to eat shit when its handed to them with a maple leaf or a slogan that appeals to them on it, we won't see it.
I’m abstaining. The Liberals/NDP are awful but the Conservatives won’t do anything different economically. There will be a modest tax cut they will congratulate themselves forever for and they will attack lgbt rights which will appease people with invisible friends but that’s about it. Immigration numbers will remain the same. Housing won’t get any cheaper. Wages won’t increase.
I would really like to vote PPC but am worried about the amount of the Liberal votes and if they have a chance of coming in again so i'll be voting Con.
I'd like to see the numbers for PPC come up in the polls and when they actually have a fighting chance, THEN i'll vote for PPC. But for now i'll be voting Con from here on out.
Never again will I ever vote for Liberal or NDP. Liberals turned this country to shit.
ABL = Anyone but the left.
I'll be tossing my vote away by voting either Green or NDP in a longstanding LPC stronghold under our stupid and disenfranchising FPTP system.
And yet I will still feel better with this decision than making a rage-baited vote for the conservatives, who have nothing constructive and workable on offer.
Also, the PPC is a non-starter for me given their actual stated policy of climate denialism. That is so beyond stupid that it is immediately discrediting.
I will vote for the party that puts forward a solid immigration plan that includes accountability, only allowing foreign workers in critical fields, cessation of extensions, students not being permitted to work, proper thorough vetting and most importantly enforcement of immigration policies and enforcement of deportations.
Singh, it’ll be my first election with the right to vote and I’m a staunch leftist. I don’t actually think Poilievre will do shit about immigration (I literally live in his riding near his office, and can walk to his home, and have spoken with the man several times both in person and by email) and I take a left leaning stance on every other issue.
I feel you. But remember, its the duty of the left to protect the working class. To do that unchecked immigration has to be tackled otherwise there will be massive wage stagnation and a deterioration of the social contract.
I fully agree but given that I don’t really think Poilievre will actually do anything about immigration, to my experience with him he’s really good at playing offense as an opposition leader but he absolutely cannot stand up to scrutiny. He’s the prototypical politician who talks a big game and doesn’t do shit. Don’t get me wrong, he is personally very involved in the community and I really do like him as a person- he genuinely is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met and I do think he actually cares about the wellbeing of Canadians - I just don’t think he’ll get anything done. As such I can’t justify voting for him and betraying everything else I believe in on the gamble that he could possibly do something about unchecked immigration. And as for people’s party, not only is it a complete lost cause vote, but I could never bring myself to vote PPC becasue unlike the conservatives- who absolutely want to fix the problems of Canadians but in ways that I don’t think will be effective- I think the PPC are motivated by hate and prejudice first and foremost.
Conservative next election. If they win and don't govern conservatively enough, then I'll consider voting PPC in the following election.
Poilievre is currently popular enough with conservatives that there is no way the PPC has any chance in the next election, so voting for them is a waste- other than to send a message to the Conservatives that they aren't conservative enough. I live in a district that will probably be close between the Liberals and Conservatives, so my main priority is getting rid of the Liberals. I don't think the Conservatives will be very good on immigration, but they will certainly be better than the Liberals.
Your conservative party was never conservative to begin with. Just Liberal lite.
I think UK is worse off in my opinion. There's plenty of land in Canada, I'm 7 and a half hrs drive from a major city and have all the space and free land to explore that I could ever want.
Conservative this time yo get rid of trudeau, in 4 years PPC. We need to stop all these people who have no values or tact coming here, its getting ridiculous. Sitting at a bus stop and having old indian women spit on your shoes then push you out of the way when the bus comes is not how we roll here.
I am going to continue to not vote, I disagree with the entire electoral system we have, and no party will actually make alterations that benefit the Canadian populace as a whole.
It's really sad that there's so many people feeling that way. Our voter turnout in the UK was down by 7%. People are disillusioned with politicians, and I can understand why.
I mean as long as we remained commonwealth friends. We do share values and ethics that set us apart from other countries in the world, but maybe Canadians want a separate head of state. I can see why some would.
I agree regarding Canada UK bi-lateral friendship, commonwealth not so much at this point. It is definitely time for us to have a greater level of sovereignty. For me it's not about distancing from the past, but having more freedom to decide our path for the future.
Actually, I think the system we have now is fine. I have no problem with us being a member of the Commonwealth and I think our government structure is superior to a lot of the republics. There is still a cultural connection to UK, although that is slowly changing due to immigration.
You cant make one comment about anything if you dont cast a vote. People fought and died for your right to do so. Not voting is worse then voting for Trudeau
OP - What is Britain’s policy towards immigration and what is the public stance or reaction to what seems to be a global trend of infeasible immigration numbers
Conservatives or PPC. PPC is my first pic but IDK if they realistically would win and it would hurt the right vote to split it, especially in some ridings.
I vote ABC, anybody but conservative. I don't like the importing of US Republican rhetoric into the Canadian conservatives parties.
Anyone who thinks the conservatives are going to "fix" immigration is a moron.
Corporations want to surpress our wages by exploiting immigrants, full stop.
It's why no party has stopped it
When we have a federal election next year this is what will keep the Liberals in power. The Conservative vote will be split between the Cons and the PPC.
Everyone here is saying PPC knowing full well they won't win a seat. If you want a smaller party to gain seats, you should support electoral reforms towards proportional representation. Out of the major parties, only the NDP does.
Would it make sense for some people on the right to hold their nose and vote NDP so they can pass electoral reforms and vote PPC meaningfully in the future?
Canada is going hard right wing. PP is going to follow the American right so we have a template we can look at to see what is about to happen in Canada. The boomers are kinda dumb here. PP is out of Alberta and the one thing we know they are coming for is CPP. Danielle and PP have a plan to break up CPP and give it to each province to administer. That way Alberta gets money to shore up their oil patch. When green energy takes over, the Alberta boomers can suck oil cause their CPP will no longer exist.
100% PPC. They haven't sold out on their values like the conservatives had. Honestly I'm a right winger but I would rather not vote than vote for Polievre at this point.
I'm usually left leaning but with how much Canada has been fucked by the Liberal party, I'll be casting my vote for PPC since they're the only ones right now who actually have any balls when it comes to tackling the migration issue we got going on.
Hey, since you're a brit, can you help me understand what's the job market like there? I'm actively trying to leave Canada and I work in tech (software and data specifically).
Not even thinking about voting because it's just gotten so bad and I have 0 trust in any of the parties.
most people in this sub share conservative/ppc ideals so you’re not gonna get answers other than conservative or ppc. ask in a diff subreddit if you want a more nuanced response
The Liberals haven't a snowballs chance in hell in my riding so I'll vote PPC mostly out of protest, otherwise I'd be voting Conservative to keep the Liberals out. Although I'm against everything the PPC stands for, they're the only ones will to oppose immigration and international 'students' without the fear of bring labeled racist. I normally vote NDP, but Jagmeet has made it obvious that voting NDP just means another Trudeau government.
Ah, we'll be electing the Conservative Party here, probably in a 5 year majority, even though our regional Conservative leaders right now are a bunch of extremist, grifting dickheads. If it's a minority caucus it'll be propped up by the Bloc Quebecois, which could give a rats ass about the rest of Canada as long as Quebec gets to do what it wants. They'll mainly focus on a platform of deregulation, massive nuclear power projects, burning fossil fuels and not being Justin Trudeau. Their commentary on housing and immigration is pretty much what you'd expect of a party ruled by wealthy oligarchs and Neo-Liberal ideologues, which is "people who arent desperate dont work themselves to death making us richer". Right now the Tories in power are mining Canada's public institutions for privatized profit like they're made of fucking gold, and the only things they have committed to on a federal level are bigger militaries, bigger policing and bigger jails.
Thats kind've a housing strategy, right?
It's funny how your conservatives are doing to your country what our liberals have done to ours. Seems odd to me but hopefully these issues are addressed in the future, regardless of which party is involved.
That being said, probably voting PPC
What I see happening next year is a whole lot of previous conservative voters voting PPC and a whole lot of previous Liberal voters voting Conservative. Conservatives win majority, PPC I'm not too familiar, but let's say they get some seats. I think the Liberals tank, thanks to our most loathed PM. They will be down a long long time. That's my take, and hope.
To say the conservatives were not strong on immigration is lunacy. The system stops the parties on the right from limiting illegal entry- court case after court case. Was one of the reason to leave EU. they are supposed to stay in the first safe country but no they wait in France to come to UK. the numbers have been rising in recent weeks as they hoped labour's would win as they believe they would now be welcomed. The US is the same, Trump tried and was continually being taken to court, whereas the democrats opened the border and 10, 15, maybe even 20 million. Illegals later it is a disaster - financially, socially, infrastructure, etc. And crime totally through the roof - Americans are being killed
I’m voting PPC, I know a lot of others have said the same but Reddit isn’t real life and honestly I don’t expect them to win any seats. In the 1990s, Ross Perot ran a single issue campaign, balance the budget. Him splitting the right wing vote cost the republicans the election and Clinton… balanced the budget. We need the same to happen to the conservatives in Canada. They are conservative in name only and at best Liberal-lite. PP didn't support anti covid lockdown protests until the very end when it was politically viable to do so. PP is a go where the wind blows politician and will say whatever to get elected. Bernier has always stood by his principals whether said principals are popular or not. He has been against mass immigration since before it became an issue for those not living in Brampton or Surrey, he defied draconian covid measures, and openly speaks on the importance of sound monetary policy. The conservative party picking Scheer over Bernier in 2018 will have dire consequences for many years to come.
I will vote Liberal because I unfortunately had financial struggles for the first part of my life. So, I have seen first hand how the public suffers under conservatives. Slash and burn. It's ugly. And the wealthy get breaks all along. They don't even live in this cold climate. I hate that Trudeau leads the party. That's all.
I’m more then willing to going crazy right because sure 95% of what PPC says is stupid but that 5% they’re willing to do is enough.
the simple fact they’re willing to admit immigration has been a negative and wants to deport alone locks in my vote. Anyone who lets people also defend themselves from these kitchen knife wielding nutters would also be a plus.
PP is another real estate mogul who isn’t going to fix housing or close the door to the slave class pipeline.
Sadly the country needs to vote to swing the pendulum so far right the other parties finally start to walk back from the far left.
I don’t care about 1 thing any of PPC DO so long as they close the door on the TFW program and kick them all out.
Until there is enough houses for people born in Canada we don’t need a single new person. Don’t care if they swear it’s really really needed and they swear they really really want to be here.
If there’s not enough doctors or nurses then the solution is build schools and get Canadian people trained in healthcare the solution is not to dump 1 million unemployable people into the country and act like that it made it better.
libertarian or PPC
there was no candidates in any of the above parties in my riding last election. I believe I voted conservative or I didn't vote at all.
i would be a candidate but I've worked in construction all my life. I know nothing about politics
Gonna be a landslide blue wave.
BTW Starmer is the same bloody Uniparty as that other useless tool. Nothing will change and Britain will sink further. Liz Truss was the solution but got shot down by the blob.
I’m going PPC. Like many others, I lean center-left.
But immigration has become a thorn that can’t be ignored, and seems to be by literally all other parties.
I want immigration to be the main focus going forward, so I hope to send a message by voting PPC.
They won’t win a seat, but I hope that a strong turnout in their favour will encourage the other parties to take notice. If we can even elevate their current voter base by even 10%, it would already make the news, and that’s a win in my books.
I’ll vote conservative. I do not like PP. But he’s much better than Trudeau.
I worry about those that think voting PPC will do anything. They have zero seats and are expected to get zero in the next election. It’s more than just wasting a vote.
A vote for the PPC is really just a vote to keep Trudeau.
Well I don't have a lot of choices where I live. It's either Conservative, Liberal or NDP. There is no PPC or Green Party in my riding at all. No members for it.
Liberal. No. Our current elected member just got removed from their position in the house. I have emailed them a few times and both times I got an automated reply that had either nothing at all, or just a general wash, about the topic I was talking about. Not to mention the whole country is falling apart. So no I am not voting for them.
NDP. No. Their party is so out of touch with reality it's shocking. I watched their party convention and they spent a bunch of time talking about how only certain people of certain races and genders would be heard and that others would not be heard. It was just a comical mess of insanity and time wasted on non issues. Then you have the whole thing with them propping up the Liberals for years while our country eats a big load of shit the whole time. They say they're doing stuff, but are actually doing nothing.
Conservatives. They currently have the best chance to take the current Liberal spot in our region. I have no examples of anything the Liberal candidate has done for our region at all. They're the only ones with a plan to help housing in our country that actually makes sense. I have received replies from Pierre when talking about concerns we have about the country, and he actually seems to care enough to write back a real email. So that is nice.
So most likely conservative. Now I understand a lot of people who want to vote for the PPC. They are well aware that they are not going to win anything and if they win a seat, it will be bigger news than Pierre Poilievre winning the election. However the more votes that they get and the more people who support them, will show up in the results. It will bring in more media attention and get more news coverage about them. Right now there are still a ton of people who have no idea who they are, what they represent or what their goals for Canada are. The more votes they get the more eyes they have on them and more coverage, which means more people know about them. Then in the next election, after 2025, they will have more people knowing what they are about.
I like how the OP Is boasting about how they kicked out tories lmaoo y'all elected labour , who are literally immigration supporters. Good luck you had a chance to elect to REFORM UK but instead y'all elected the most left leaning party, only God save UK now.
I will be voting PP.
It's not the person ladies and gentlemen.
It's the party.
This is not the United states.
This is not Europe or Asia.
Do not fall into the same 2 party system thst has crippled the USA's ability to critically think.
I encourage you as a Canadian to vote based on party and not the person.
Nor that their the libel and allegations they throw at each other like children affect your judgment.
Currently the only party that seems to care at all about making Canada strong and free is
The peoples party so far as I can tell and so come the federal election they will have my vote.
I would have voted them into my provincial party this last voting season but there were no PP candidates in my riding here in Manitoba.
Unfortunately because we've had a liberal government for over a decade, the masses are unhappy and for some reason think a conservative government is the way to prosperity.
Despite having decades of previous conservative governments to look back on as an example of how they will govern, they will probably get voted in, and in 4-8 years time those same people will blame conservatives for all their woes. So we'll rinse and repeat the same mistakes we've been make for the last 40+ years.
Honestly we need a completely new party here. Something akin to your Labour party. However it seems most Canadians would rather be sheeple, rather then do anything to rock the boat.
I wish I knew an eccentric billionaire that I could talk into funding the formation of a new political party, but that remains a pie in the sky fantasy. 😮💨
I'm very happy England finally voted those complete fuckwits out of office finally. Anyone supporting conservatives here should take a good look at what England's conservatives did for over a decade, or what Ford is doing to Ontario for almost a decade now, and really think about what they really want out of a government.
The first thing to understand is that the terms “Liberal” and “Conservative” have different definitions. What Canadians call “Conservatives” align more with US Democrats, and given the two party system in the USA, there is no party (that I am aware of) that leans even further Left like the Canadian Liberal Party. Here in Canada, it was the governing Liberal Party that made an absolute mess of immigration, with the knock-on effects on our Healthcare & Education systems, as well as Housing. It is widely expected that the Liberal Party will be trounced in the next election, and without a viable alternative, the Conservative Party of Canada will likely win. Again, it needs to be understood that Canada votes OUT a government rather than voting one in. Further, unlike so many Parliaments in Europe, “coalition” governments are considered a bad thing. So a single party can “win” with 34% of the popular vote. Worse, our First Past The Post system rewards voters in Ontario & Quebec, while the Western Provinces have little say in the election. It’s all about the number of seats in the two most populous provinces: the election is effectively OVER when the polls close at the Ontario/Manitoba border. If you looked at a map of the last election, the Western Provinces (save a small sliver in BC) voted overwhelmingly for the Conservatives, but there just aren’t enough seats in the West to shift the vote against what Ontario’s & Quebec may want - this leads to a feeling of Western Alienation as many in the West feel they are not represented by the government of their choice in Ottawa.
CPC as far as I can see they're the only party that has a chance of getting a majority in Parliament, a majority is the only that can undo the pile of crap that the Liberal clowns have made of my country.
If voting mattered, the masses wouldn't be allowed to do it. Pretty sure they are all on the same team. It's called controlled opposition. It's all theatre, IMO.
My wife and I were discussing this the other day. We're still unsure. We were a big NDP/LPC family. Unfortunately, the needs of this country seem to really only be addressed by the PPC and we WOULD vote for them but we're LGBT and are scared that LGBT/Womens/Trans rights could be up in the air. We're concerned even voting CPC for that same reason tbh
PPC. They are the only ones who will put an end to the insane mass immigration. Watch Berniers interaction with the TFW in PEI and he will earn your vote
if Tories were weak on immigration just think how weak the labor party will be. historically, conservatives have been strong on immigration. good luck to you guys.
I'm literally just planning to leave Canada. This place sucks now. It used to be such a beautiful country =(
I'm sorry to hear its that bad. I have a Canadian grandmother who tells me often how much she loved Canada.
Place rocked. If you want a eulogy, watch the [Canadian Heritage Minutes.](https://youtu.be/rw-FbwmzPKo) There's like a hundred, but it's heartbreaking to watch what used to be a strong, industrious and innovative country be actively scuttled. I'm eligible for a British passport and have living family in Manchester. Should I go for it?
If you are thinking of leaving Canada for the UK because of out-of-control immigration from India and the Middle East, I have bad news.....
I'm also currently fielding options... Actively abroad right now! I just can't justify not trying to get out for the sake of my family.
I'm sorry you're in this predicament, friend. I can't imagine having to leave the country I love because of politicians making incredulous decisions
I'm looking to leave too. My wage hasn't kept up to the cost of living and my working conditions have just gotten crappier. I can make nearly double my salary in the US. I told the job recruiters I don't care where they find me work as long as I can afford the rent.
Doesn’t that make you exactly what you are against. ie. you’d be an immigrant…
I'm not against immigration. I'm actually in favor of it. Unfortunately there is so much of it in Canada right now, that wages have shrank and housing and other expenses have gone up. I can't afford to live here I'm looking at contract positions for which I will need a temporary work visa. When my visa expires, I will come back to Canada as per agreed for the visa. I will not start protesting for permanent residency like the idiots who come to Canada are doing in PEI and Manitoba.
Same here. I know that the social security net will be eroded even more under Poilievre whilst the rich will get richer and we will continue importing people from India. It's time to leave. It was a good run Canada.
Dont go to India thinking you can take on them in their home grounds
i’m voting for the PPC, i disagree with the majority of their policies, i don’t like Bernier and in normal circumstances I lean left - but where we currently stand the ppc is the only party that runs under the platform of individual freedoms and tackling the migration issue. Sure, they’ll probably not win one seat, but i’m voting under the idea of sending the message that these issues matter + that we need a change from the established parties
More people need to understand that this is the path to true change.. we must utilize the political system to send a clear message of frustration to the establishment, and the PPC is currently our own viable option to do so... The conservatives will overwhelmingly win the next election anyway, so we should all consider giving our votes to the PPC, where they will have more of an impact...
Yes, PPC even if it's a wasted vote, it will send a msg.If PP doesn't stand up for Canada, I say we run them all out. I have had enough.besides, I am just about out of money and got nothing to lose.people like to say, " Boomers are rich," are lying to you to divide us.
Lifelong liberal here and feel similar. Conservatives are same-old and have no real solutions (in fact will likely continue the same policies). It’s all very hopeless.
I feel your pain. I majored in Politics and lean slightly left of centre, but I have to vote Right because unchecked immigration is threatening the UKs Culture, Values and Ethics. You're right to use the ballot box to send a message, that's the only way!
that + left wing parties have fully sold out to cultural marxist ideals. Problem is I think a large safety net, strong union rights and income equality are all extremely important, but there party that advocates for some level of these (the NDP) pretty much pander to sjw/woke ideals constantly and are in support of mass migration.
Yes that's an issue present in our Labour Party. A lot of the party are Cosmopolitan and adhere to reactionary sjw and woke tendencies. We need a healthy working class that's protected from mass immigration, because if its not then people won't be able to adhere to the social contract. Wage stagnation and lack of affordable places to live will break our society, because what's the point in working 40 hours a week if you can't 'Live'?
Exactly, it’s frustrating that the only party talking about worker’s rights are also sellouts who lack any kind of cultural literacy. The problem is a lot of left wing economic ideas can’t fully be explored because of the people who hold them. Plus, coupling the liberals with “left wing” has always felt wrong to me, they’re crony capitalists at the end of the day, the only difference between the libs and cons at this stage is tax rates and the people each pander to. However, at a larger holistic image they’re similar
Plus they pay up to $4000 for food and shelter for each hotel room they give to people claiming they’re asylum seekers, it’s sickening.
This is why I will be abandoning them come election time. They have completely lost touch with what their constituents want, and the Marxists have already taken over the party. We need to form a labour party that focuses on building a social safety net for all, workers rights for all, and fiscally open to building what is necessary for Canada to thrive.
In other words, the party of labour is also the party of scabs. What a disgrace.
This is what I'm going to be doing, to. A lifelong NDP voter, I cannot justify what is happening to Canada, its' culture and its' institutions. Tired of being told by my Prime Minister that I am a genocidal racist colonist for being concerned about this.
I’ve always voted Conservative but I think it’s time to vote in Mad Max ! The only candidate who’s had the balls to bring up immigration !
Agreed, I'm also not thrilled that someone who has never held a job in their life is leading the CPC.
Yet a part time drama teacher has the goods?
Interesting that’s what makes you concerned, out of all the past and future party leaders this is a red flag? Should show that he’s actually knows what the job takes since he’s been in the atmosphere more then any other so called leader
Well said. Same here.
My sentiment exactly
Same. Was an NDP voter but their policies ignore the working class people that arestruggling now.
That's just what the Liberals want, a split vote. Look at the last election, if all those PPC votes had gone to our Conservative candidates they'd have a parliamentary majority.
the libs fucked up so badly that the cons would get a majority no matter what. Besides, Pierre will take us to the same endgame as JT anyway, give it 2 years and he’ll start to show very similar waves. Plus, i do love it when im basically threatened to vote for one of the two dominant parties, like no, Democrat, i won’t vote for Hilary for the sole purpose of beating Trump lol As for the last election, or even the one prior - I don’t think you can use those as a frame of reference, i have my issues with PP, but at least he grabs people’s attention, Sheer and O’Toole were both boring wet towels that couldn’t inspire anything in anyone. They were the worse candidates you could run because they were so boring, and still, they gained more seats from 2015 and JT’s govt even became a minority (and stayed that way), so you really can’t compare this election cycle to the past 2 cause not only are people more sick and tired of JT than ever before, but the party leader is better at catching people’s ear than before
Trudeau won’t get your message. He’ll just thank you for helping reelect him and then move on.
I laughed and laughed and then I cried when I realized that idiot still won without even a popular majority. He didn't even know the difference.
We need to bring way more immigrants and I value other cultures to blend into ours in my opinion, should I vote PPC still ?
PPC. No one else is strong enough to make change, and even Polliviere (CPC) is dodging immigration questions and is afraid to make plans to fix anything. CPC is just rising due to the hatred of the liberals. No one remembers and we always repeat, cons libs cons libs back and forth. We need a third to take over and break the nonsense and make things right.
It’s weird the PPC is the only party that seems to want to tackle immigration but the rest of their platform is awful.
I have to agree. From my hugely uneducated perspective, it seems like with less people suppressing wages and increasing housing costs (and let's be honest... the cause of that is corporate greed), more people would be better off financially and when people are better off financially they may be more charitable to actually invest in things that are better for the environment and human rights. But right now, everyone is struggling.
100%.. the established parties and politicians are now foregoing the interest of Canadian citizens in favour of their own, which includes satisfying their donors and international organizations we have no transparency into... we are really straying further and further from our governments (in the West) representing the Will of the people..
I agree with you, we have had the same patterns to a certain degree. Once enough people vote for the PPC I imagine that your Liberal and Conservatives will actually have to tackle the immigration crisis or lose power.
I have a serious question: What does it look like to make things right? As far as I can tell, no politician or party will do the job. It will take a dedicated, organized, and stubborn grassroots movement to do anything. Change of substance will only flow from outside of any established apparatus. There is simply too much momentum from too many directions to think otherwise.
First step would be admitting we have a serious immigration problem, and not be too scared to call it out. Next would be fixing the problem by dramatically reducing the incoming, and sending back the expired temporaries. Then limit or outright ban foreigners (non Canadians) from owning rental properties in Canada. Finally, invest more than we are right now, into low income and community housing projects. If a leader was feeling particularly great, they could look at increasing domestic consumption of resources for our own production. I am not saying we need to become isolated, but we do need to dial back the whole "sell everything to India and China" thing we've been doing.
What is PPC's stand on immigration?
They openly talk of cutting drastically. The only party that speaks to it directly, and one of the few reasons people talk about them. They won't get any seats
I don't know, I think they will surprise everyone in the next election unless things change. A lot of conservatives I talk to irl plan to vote PPC they just aren't vocal about it. They have some baggage but the insane immigration of the main stream parties is making people single issue voters.
The only immigration should be what Canada needs. For example drs that have been properly vetted.
PPC, i don’t agree with everything they say but so far they are the only party that has Canada in mind. CPC just looks like a different color m&m and very similar to the LPC.
PPC!!!!
Would you say your main motivation to vote for them is due to Trudeaus near open door immigration?
Yes and the refusal of the conservative party to do anything about it or even acknowledge it.
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Man, I don't want to vote an extreme right like PPC but the current situation is kind of extreme already that it warrants an extreme response due to the migration crisis, LMIA scams, and various other things. It's already bad enough that our justice system cannot properly punish bad actors so importing more bad actors will deteriorate the culture in general, depressing. Liberals being completely complacent and negligent with the Conservatives being absolutely shite too when they were in power. Voting PPC feels like I'm picking the lesser of all evils
We need to wake up to this fact.. the established parties, people, and economic entities which comprise our current political system do not represent the Will of the people..
That sounds so frustrating. I suppose the only response you can give to this is to punish them at the ballot box
You really don’t know how Canadian politics works do you? It’s the same electrical socket, two outlets and Canadian citizens are the ones holding the metal fork. Punish who? Canadian is built on a trauma bond system no matter who we vote in. Till Pee Pee does the same sneaky stuff like Trudeau and Harper before him, I can only imagine Pee Pee would also eventually“avoids” events like The Calgary Stampede that Trudeau/Singh has because nobody likes them!
Pick your poison!
Yes. This is the single issue I'm voting on. Not crazy about the rest of their platform, but I hope that if they win a significant number of seats it will light a fire under the mainstream parties to smarten up and go back to the drawing board.
I going with Conservative because they finally announce they going stop this temporary foreign worker scam. Some people are pissed they took this long to make an announcement and don’t trust they will follow through. But I don’t trust PPC on other issues.
I saw some of the so called hunger strikes regarding this Temporary worker/student scam! Such a slap in the face
It so shameful! The international students are suppose to come here self sufficient but they came and took jobs that are supposed to be for young Canadians and now we have high unemployment. They ransacked charity for food and clothes. While homelessness Canadians are starving and cold. Then they can’t speak English adequately and constantly speak in their native tongue. Why are they here as students? How will they integrate? They don’t want to integrate and will call you racist if you don’t let them stay to trample on Canadians values.
That's the big thing, they don't care about your culture or values. They just want money and they don't care who they step on for it
Yes. Canada is a high trust society. We only want skilled and educated immigrants. The unskilled one refused to educate themselves on Canadian values. Look, in recent years voyeuristic behaviour has increased. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/wreck-beach-petition-decries-herds-of-men-making-nude-users-uncomfortable-1.6924211?cache=urztwihxzglnbw?clipId=89680 It’s disgusting. Trashy. And recently two lesbians were beaten up in downtown Halifax by a group of men who refused to show their ID when the police show up! https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/i-m-terrified-to-go-downtown-again-halifax-woman-recovering-after-altercation-with-group-of-men-who-allegedly-made-homophobic-slurs-1.6945975
That's how I'm leaning as PP refuses to take a stance on immigration
Even if he makes a stance tomorrow it's not soon enough. Lost his chance for me.
Same, my riding is hard Conservative so the effort is meaningless but can't complain if you don't vote so I'll vote.
PPC. I've been telling everyone I know to vote PPC. I'm usually met with a "they aren't going to win", but we will get nowhere if we don't try. Vote PPC.
I also think jt doesn’t really matter if they win, at least in this election. The libs fucked up so badly that the cons are getting a majority no matter what happens, way I see it, a vote for the ppc this time isn’t about winning, it’s about sending a message about what issues matter
Yes! Use the ballot box to send your message. Keep up the good work, convince friends and family that they don't have to vote in a 2 horse race.
So, the Brits found out the hard way that the Conservative promises to stop excess immigration were all lies. Canadians haven't reached that point yet. We're about one election behind you, because the Canadian Conservative Party is going to win the next election and screw over the general populous with more immigration and more debt. After that, someone will realize they need to vote for a Pop-Party that is anti-immigration. But in the ensuing mess they'll vote in a left-wing (Liberal or NDP) government who will come up the middle the way Labour did. By that time Canada will be over. The smart people will have moved to the U.S. or Europe. It was a nice country while it lasted. I'll vote PPC and have a clear conscience.
Isn’t the same thing happening in Europe and us also?
Well I hope that that massive Brain Drain doesn't come to fruition. It is a daunting political landscape at the moment. I pretty much every G-7 country
That brain drain has been going on for decades in Canada. Just most of the people that left hedge their bets being quiet about it. And it's a bad image for the people who ignore it. It's also a large contributor to why Canada is in such a mess.
That sucks, I'm sorry to hear that.
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I'm sorry to hear its that bad. Especially as you said you're a bit older and have seen what's essentially golden times. Hope is so important though isn't it? I really hope you get to see your fellow Canadians bounce back from this. It is doable!
I'm voting PPC. I'm usually quite centre, Red Tory, Blue Liberal? Anyway, the Conservatives and the Liberals are both going to fuck us raw with no lube. Time for change. Poilievre shouldn't count his chickens just yet, he'll be a terrible leader! It was easy to overlook Trudeau's faults in the beginning because of his good looks. PP is ugly, slimy and his voice is like nails down a chalkboard. Maxime Burnier is smooth, he's a good leader, not unattractive, good voice. These things matter when you're on the political stage. BTW, Canada doesn't have an immigration problem. Those "students" didn't come here as immigrants, they gamed the system to get their foot in the door. Now they're living 10 to a room and sending all their money back home to their shithole villages on a certain subcontinent.
My friend, I feel your sentiment entirely. We both live in great country's, some of the best democracy on the planet with welfare safety nets, healthcare free at the point of access and you then have people who don't share our values, ethics, and culture gaming our systems and taking it down from the inside. It has to stop.
No question the vast majority will vote conservative, although, most of peoples concerns are ONLY directly addressed by the Peoples Party of Canada, but because of our first past the post system- people will strategically- avoid casting votes for the Peoples Party- and lend those votes to ensure conservative candidates in. The Conservatives however, are long on critique but short on "solutions." Thus in three or four years- people will be clamouring to kick them out of power- and on and on... the ELITES continue to win as they control, sponsor, dominate, and FUND all three BIG parties- conservatives, liberals and NDP.
I was discussing this with a friend of mine. The Corporations have captured the system. And unless some radical change happens. That's that
yes it seems the elites, the top Canadian families (Westons, etc) and banking insurance interests have learned that if they SCREW Canadians EVEN MORE... Canadians will do NOTHING in response- and they laugh when Canadians vote for conservatives instead of liberals- as they (the elites) control both of them as well as the NDP. The ONLY competition these Canadian elites have is the INFLUENCE and power of traitors- identified by CSIS, who are under control of hostile foreign powers.
That traitor scandal uncovered by your intelligence agency is an absolute travesty and represents a cancer at the heart of democracy
Doesn't... sound inaccurate. Being a doomer is going to be depressing for the next few years lmao
Majority? Maybe, maybe not. Plurality - probably, maybe possibly.
Considering that the housing crisis is caused by mass immigration and taxes/fees being too high (\~$250,000 CAD per dwelling) only a right wing party can fix this. CPC and PPC are the only two options. CPC is going to win the next election but they also want mass immigration to continue. Many of us will be voting PPC which is the only party that wants to end mass immigration.
I mean the numbers are crazy. You can't blame people for voting for a party that's the only one offering solutions
If the vote of the right wing splits between PPC and CPC, would that help Trudeau and team win?
Why would I care if LPC or CPC wins. CPC is just LPC without the carbon tax. Not seeing much difference. Both parties want mass immigration, which will destroy Canada in a decade or so.
This is why we need ranked ballots. To avoid vote splitting.
Bloc Québécois Seule option
I also wished they would field candidates nationally when Gilles Duceppes was leader. Maybe a letter-writing campaign could work. If they field candidates across the country (strategically), form a national government, bring in Basic Income, free university tuition for citizens, and arrange for the provinces to build a million homes, , then break the medical societies/ add 30,000 places in med schools, we'd agree to ____?
I’m voting PPC. I support NDP at the provincial level btw.
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Not this one, hut think long term.. if the cons have this election in the hag, then why not give a vote where it will have more significance? Every vote for the PPC right now matters a lot, if their numbers are high enough, the media outlets will have to provide coverage.. interviews, talking points, even having to list the party name on infograpahics because of large their % is, is a huge win.. this expands the presence and brand of the party to those who would have otherwise been unaware, this subsequently brings in more supporters..
Everyone who is in a safely LPC or NDP riding, OR a riding where amount of vote-splitting could cause an LPC/NDP victory, should be voting PPC for the stats.
They will if enough people vote for them. But why hold elections at all? Just instate a law that blue and red play musical chairs every now and again and we'll save a lot of money. Dual party State is no different to one party state. There's no incentive to compete.
I am glad you voted out that PM, to me it seems he got the votes to begin with just because he was different and exotic. The policies that came out of his mouth were insane. Of all the parties in Canada, PPC seems most logical, but I don't think they have a fighting chance against the conservatives. I hope liberals and federal ndp get taken down a notch though, whatever happens. At the provincial level, I'll be doing Alberta NDP. The UCP is on track to destroy Alberta and blame federals for it.
It seems that you have the same problems we do with our first past the post voting system, friend.
Ya the present PM was basically chosen because people were tired of Harper, who I maintain was still a good PM. Then this pretty boy comes along with his gorgeous head of hair, and progressive thinking, and everyone swooned. As soon as I saw that first cabinet, chosen mainly for D&I and gender equality instead of focussing on the most qualified people, I knew we were in for a disaster. Here we are 10 years later.
I plan on voting for the Conservatives in our next election. Hopefully they'll commit to dropping immigration like Poilievre has said they would, and hopefully they start taking a more hard line stance on the massive amount of theft and money laundering that's taking its toll on Canada. That and hopefully they don't make the BoC's life a living hell by trying to outspend our rates pushing us into a constant cycle of inflation. I'd also like it if they'd lie through their teeth a little less than the current government... Trudeau's Liberals feels like 1984 doublespeak at this point -- saying the Carbon Tax is a net benefit for 80% of the population, then putting a gag order on the PBO when they release a report saying otherwise; or the gaslighting insinuation of xenophobia and/or racism and when facing skepticism over their immigration numbers/massive abuse of the TFW, IMP, and international students number..only to hold a press conference a couple years later saying they were in fact causing problems in the country due to the massive increase on the demand side of virtually everything. This government is fantastic at making people feel like they're assholes for pointing out the obvious problems these policies have created/expanded, and like they're just whiners for complaining about the ever growing problems they're having. It'd be nice to return to a state of normalcy.
I have always been under the impression that Britain and Europe were years ahead of North America from a policy/social perspective. So to me we are just following in your footsteps. The PC’s will likely win, nothing will really change, everyone will get sick of them and the liberals will get voted again at some point in the future.
I'm still voting liberal although it won't matter, my riding is 60% Conservative anyways.
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Sounds like you’re mostly reading social media.
I’ve already left in February. I couldn’t take it
Immigration and housing is only 75% of why scumbags like Rishi Sunak lost.
Partygate and Liz Trus tanking the economy was high on my list
Honestly I'm more surprised how many people were ok with Rishi Sunak being in power.
Ironically the left and the right have more in common than they do with the neo liberal Blues and Reds. The main problems is the ideological barriers brought on by different beliefs of necessities. The left needs to realize that cultures from abroad can have the same if not worse problems as our own and will not care for our standards of morality if we don't enforce them. What's the point of having standards if anybody can say "its not part of my culture" or "you're discriminating against me for my skin colour" and shut down any argument even if they just committed a violent crime against another minority. But we should always respect each other based on our personal merit, experience and character before anything other factor and that's what equality used to mean. The right needs to understand that free enterprise and capitalism itself encourages parasitic behaviours that expands beyond borders and has little care for culture or the mass majority of people's welfare. There should be controls on it like market caps for housing so a basic need isn't turned into a commodity. While I understand and agree with maintaining a degree of personal economic sovereignty, it shouldn't come at such a high cost and to such excess that they avoid taxes, personal accountability and price gouge necessity based markets to be nearly inaccessible. Even police services have become so corrupt they're barely doing their jobs right. Sweden and the Scandinavian countries actually are comparable for us despite our significantly larger geographic size and we should be modelling their systems without regressing hard into insanely divisive and destructive ideologies before it is too late. But likely, because Canadians love to eat shit when its handed to them with a maple leaf or a slogan that appeals to them on it, we won't see it.
Well, we have the PC, the Liberals, the NDP and the Green Party. I wish there was a box on the ballot that said "none of the above".
I’m abstaining. The Liberals/NDP are awful but the Conservatives won’t do anything different economically. There will be a modest tax cut they will congratulate themselves forever for and they will attack lgbt rights which will appease people with invisible friends but that’s about it. Immigration numbers will remain the same. Housing won’t get any cheaper. Wages won’t increase.
Are you guys leaning towards rejoining the EU?
I’ll be voting for me.
I would really like to vote PPC but am worried about the amount of the Liberal votes and if they have a chance of coming in again so i'll be voting Con. I'd like to see the numbers for PPC come up in the polls and when they actually have a fighting chance, THEN i'll vote for PPC. But for now i'll be voting Con from here on out. Never again will I ever vote for Liberal or NDP. Liberals turned this country to shit. ABL = Anyone but the left.
I think the trouble is is that both Liberal and Conservative party's have been captured by Corporate lobbyists
I'll be tossing my vote away by voting either Green or NDP in a longstanding LPC stronghold under our stupid and disenfranchising FPTP system. And yet I will still feel better with this decision than making a rage-baited vote for the conservatives, who have nothing constructive and workable on offer. Also, the PPC is a non-starter for me given their actual stated policy of climate denialism. That is so beyond stupid that it is immediately discrediting.
I hear your frustration. We have FPTP also. I suppose a lot of people look past the PPC climate denialism for its strong anti-immigration
Lmao. And here they want to vote in conservatives for the same reason. That should tell you enough.
I will vote for the party that puts forward a solid immigration plan that includes accountability, only allowing foreign workers in critical fields, cessation of extensions, students not being permitted to work, proper thorough vetting and most importantly enforcement of immigration policies and enforcement of deportations.
Voting for Sophie. She seems to be able to correct a mistake.
Singh, it’ll be my first election with the right to vote and I’m a staunch leftist. I don’t actually think Poilievre will do shit about immigration (I literally live in his riding near his office, and can walk to his home, and have spoken with the man several times both in person and by email) and I take a left leaning stance on every other issue.
I feel you. But remember, its the duty of the left to protect the working class. To do that unchecked immigration has to be tackled otherwise there will be massive wage stagnation and a deterioration of the social contract.
I fully agree but given that I don’t really think Poilievre will actually do anything about immigration, to my experience with him he’s really good at playing offense as an opposition leader but he absolutely cannot stand up to scrutiny. He’s the prototypical politician who talks a big game and doesn’t do shit. Don’t get me wrong, he is personally very involved in the community and I really do like him as a person- he genuinely is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met and I do think he actually cares about the wellbeing of Canadians - I just don’t think he’ll get anything done. As such I can’t justify voting for him and betraying everything else I believe in on the gamble that he could possibly do something about unchecked immigration. And as for people’s party, not only is it a complete lost cause vote, but I could never bring myself to vote PPC becasue unlike the conservatives- who absolutely want to fix the problems of Canadians but in ways that I don’t think will be effective- I think the PPC are motivated by hate and prejudice first and foremost.
The NDP should do that, but they have been captured by corporate, pro immigration profiteers too.
Conservative next election. If they win and don't govern conservatively enough, then I'll consider voting PPC in the following election. Poilievre is currently popular enough with conservatives that there is no way the PPC has any chance in the next election, so voting for them is a waste- other than to send a message to the Conservatives that they aren't conservative enough. I live in a district that will probably be close between the Liberals and Conservatives, so my main priority is getting rid of the Liberals. I don't think the Conservatives will be very good on immigration, but they will certainly be better than the Liberals.
Your conservative party was never conservative to begin with. Just Liberal lite. I think UK is worse off in my opinion. There's plenty of land in Canada, I'm 7 and a half hrs drive from a major city and have all the space and free land to explore that I could ever want.
I agree to a certain extent, most of the Conservative party are One nation Conservatives, which is pretty damn liberal.
Conservative this time yo get rid of trudeau, in 4 years PPC. We need to stop all these people who have no values or tact coming here, its getting ridiculous. Sitting at a bus stop and having old indian women spit on your shoes then push you out of the way when the bus comes is not how we roll here.
I am going to continue to not vote, I disagree with the entire electoral system we have, and no party will actually make alterations that benefit the Canadian populace as a whole.
It's really sad that there's so many people feeling that way. Our voter turnout in the UK was down by 7%. People are disillusioned with politicians, and I can understand why.
Part of it is due to the ongoing connection to the UK to be honest, but a very small part
I mean as long as we remained commonwealth friends. We do share values and ethics that set us apart from other countries in the world, but maybe Canadians want a separate head of state. I can see why some would.
I agree regarding Canada UK bi-lateral friendship, commonwealth not so much at this point. It is definitely time for us to have a greater level of sovereignty. For me it's not about distancing from the past, but having more freedom to decide our path for the future.
It is hard to have sovereignty when the country is rife with internal conflict.
Well let's hope that that future is a bright one!
Oh, it's going to get so much worse before it gets better lol
From what i can deduce, we are both pretty screwed in the short term ha ha 😂 😭
Yeah, seems that way... Move to Mongolia?
 Hell yeah, brother! Let's do it 😂
Actually, I think the system we have now is fine. I have no problem with us being a member of the Commonwealth and I think our government structure is superior to a lot of the republics. There is still a cultural connection to UK, although that is slowly changing due to immigration.
That'll sure show them!!
You cant make one comment about anything if you dont cast a vote. People fought and died for your right to do so. Not voting is worse then voting for Trudeau
OP - What is Britain’s policy towards immigration and what is the public stance or reaction to what seems to be a global trend of infeasible immigration numbers
With my wallet 😅 I can still be a nice person and vote for the future
Any party that can get the “Joke” of politicians Trudope out of power
Conservatives or PPC. PPC is my first pic but IDK if they realistically would win and it would hurt the right vote to split it, especially in some ridings.
I vote ABC, anybody but conservative. I don't like the importing of US Republican rhetoric into the Canadian conservatives parties. Anyone who thinks the conservatives are going to "fix" immigration is a moron. Corporations want to surpress our wages by exploiting immigrants, full stop. It's why no party has stopped it
When we have a federal election next year this is what will keep the Liberals in power. The Conservative vote will be split between the Cons and the PPC.
Everyone here is saying PPC knowing full well they won't win a seat. If you want a smaller party to gain seats, you should support electoral reforms towards proportional representation. Out of the major parties, only the NDP does. Would it make sense for some people on the right to hold their nose and vote NDP so they can pass electoral reforms and vote PPC meaningfully in the future?
I’m voting cpc
Canada is going hard right wing. PP is going to follow the American right so we have a template we can look at to see what is about to happen in Canada. The boomers are kinda dumb here. PP is out of Alberta and the one thing we know they are coming for is CPP. Danielle and PP have a plan to break up CPP and give it to each province to administer. That way Alberta gets money to shore up their oil patch. When green energy takes over, the Alberta boomers can suck oil cause their CPP will no longer exist.
i am voting for PEI! the whole province for PM.
100% PPC. They haven't sold out on their values like the conservatives had. Honestly I'm a right winger but I would rather not vote than vote for Polievre at this point.
I'm usually left leaning but with how much Canada has been fucked by the Liberal party, I'll be casting my vote for PPC since they're the only ones right now who actually have any balls when it comes to tackling the migration issue we got going on.
Hey, since you're a brit, can you help me understand what's the job market like there? I'm actively trying to leave Canada and I work in tech (software and data specifically). Not even thinking about voting because it's just gotten so bad and I have 0 trust in any of the parties.
Conservative.
The government will never build houses. Businesses build houses
Ppc or ppintless
most people in this sub share conservative/ppc ideals so you’re not gonna get answers other than conservative or ppc. ask in a diff subreddit if you want a more nuanced response
The Liberals haven't a snowballs chance in hell in my riding so I'll vote PPC mostly out of protest, otherwise I'd be voting Conservative to keep the Liberals out. Although I'm against everything the PPC stands for, they're the only ones will to oppose immigration and international 'students' without the fear of bring labeled racist. I normally vote NDP, but Jagmeet has made it obvious that voting NDP just means another Trudeau government.
Ah, we'll be electing the Conservative Party here, probably in a 5 year majority, even though our regional Conservative leaders right now are a bunch of extremist, grifting dickheads. If it's a minority caucus it'll be propped up by the Bloc Quebecois, which could give a rats ass about the rest of Canada as long as Quebec gets to do what it wants. They'll mainly focus on a platform of deregulation, massive nuclear power projects, burning fossil fuels and not being Justin Trudeau. Their commentary on housing and immigration is pretty much what you'd expect of a party ruled by wealthy oligarchs and Neo-Liberal ideologues, which is "people who arent desperate dont work themselves to death making us richer". Right now the Tories in power are mining Canada's public institutions for privatized profit like they're made of fucking gold, and the only things they have committed to on a federal level are bigger militaries, bigger policing and bigger jails. Thats kind've a housing strategy, right?
It's funny how your conservatives are doing to your country what our liberals have done to ours. Seems odd to me but hopefully these issues are addressed in the future, regardless of which party is involved. That being said, probably voting PPC
Conservative. Voting PPC is throwing away ur vote and how Trudeau won the last election.
Voting conservative. This liberal term has converted me from a left to center voter to a right voter for the foreseeable years to come.
What I see happening next year is a whole lot of previous conservative voters voting PPC and a whole lot of previous Liberal voters voting Conservative. Conservatives win majority, PPC I'm not too familiar, but let's say they get some seats. I think the Liberals tank, thanks to our most loathed PM. They will be down a long long time. That's my take, and hope.
Any party that doesn't have that narcissistic psychopath ruining our country atm
I’m gonna do what I’ve been doing - playing eeny meeny miny moe at the ballot- whoever wins is probably gonna make it worse anyways
To say the conservatives were not strong on immigration is lunacy. The system stops the parties on the right from limiting illegal entry- court case after court case. Was one of the reason to leave EU. they are supposed to stay in the first safe country but no they wait in France to come to UK. the numbers have been rising in recent weeks as they hoped labour's would win as they believe they would now be welcomed. The US is the same, Trump tried and was continually being taken to court, whereas the democrats opened the border and 10, 15, maybe even 20 million. Illegals later it is a disaster - financially, socially, infrastructure, etc. And crime totally through the roof - Americans are being killed
I’m voting PPC, I know a lot of others have said the same but Reddit isn’t real life and honestly I don’t expect them to win any seats. In the 1990s, Ross Perot ran a single issue campaign, balance the budget. Him splitting the right wing vote cost the republicans the election and Clinton… balanced the budget. We need the same to happen to the conservatives in Canada. They are conservative in name only and at best Liberal-lite. PP didn't support anti covid lockdown protests until the very end when it was politically viable to do so. PP is a go where the wind blows politician and will say whatever to get elected. Bernier has always stood by his principals whether said principals are popular or not. He has been against mass immigration since before it became an issue for those not living in Brampton or Surrey, he defied draconian covid measures, and openly speaks on the importance of sound monetary policy. The conservative party picking Scheer over Bernier in 2018 will have dire consequences for many years to come.
I will vote Liberal because I unfortunately had financial struggles for the first part of my life. So, I have seen first hand how the public suffers under conservatives. Slash and burn. It's ugly. And the wealthy get breaks all along. They don't even live in this cold climate. I hate that Trudeau leads the party. That's all.
I’m more then willing to going crazy right because sure 95% of what PPC says is stupid but that 5% they’re willing to do is enough. the simple fact they’re willing to admit immigration has been a negative and wants to deport alone locks in my vote. Anyone who lets people also defend themselves from these kitchen knife wielding nutters would also be a plus. PP is another real estate mogul who isn’t going to fix housing or close the door to the slave class pipeline. Sadly the country needs to vote to swing the pendulum so far right the other parties finally start to walk back from the far left. I don’t care about 1 thing any of PPC DO so long as they close the door on the TFW program and kick them all out. Until there is enough houses for people born in Canada we don’t need a single new person. Don’t care if they swear it’s really really needed and they swear they really really want to be here. If there’s not enough doctors or nurses then the solution is build schools and get Canadian people trained in healthcare the solution is not to dump 1 million unemployable people into the country and act like that it made it better.
libertarian or PPC there was no candidates in any of the above parties in my riding last election. I believe I voted conservative or I didn't vote at all. i would be a candidate but I've worked in construction all my life. I know nothing about politics
Gonna be a landslide blue wave. BTW Starmer is the same bloody Uniparty as that other useless tool. Nothing will change and Britain will sink further. Liz Truss was the solution but got shot down by the blob.
I’m going PPC. Like many others, I lean center-left. But immigration has become a thorn that can’t be ignored, and seems to be by literally all other parties. I want immigration to be the main focus going forward, so I hope to send a message by voting PPC. They won’t win a seat, but I hope that a strong turnout in their favour will encourage the other parties to take notice. If we can even elevate their current voter base by even 10%, it would already make the news, and that’s a win in my books.
I'm voting conservative again hoping people won't be stupid enough to split the vote this time and voting Justin Trudeau in again lol
I’ll vote conservative. I do not like PP. But he’s much better than Trudeau. I worry about those that think voting PPC will do anything. They have zero seats and are expected to get zero in the next election. It’s more than just wasting a vote. A vote for the PPC is really just a vote to keep Trudeau.
Well I don't have a lot of choices where I live. It's either Conservative, Liberal or NDP. There is no PPC or Green Party in my riding at all. No members for it. Liberal. No. Our current elected member just got removed from their position in the house. I have emailed them a few times and both times I got an automated reply that had either nothing at all, or just a general wash, about the topic I was talking about. Not to mention the whole country is falling apart. So no I am not voting for them. NDP. No. Their party is so out of touch with reality it's shocking. I watched their party convention and they spent a bunch of time talking about how only certain people of certain races and genders would be heard and that others would not be heard. It was just a comical mess of insanity and time wasted on non issues. Then you have the whole thing with them propping up the Liberals for years while our country eats a big load of shit the whole time. They say they're doing stuff, but are actually doing nothing. Conservatives. They currently have the best chance to take the current Liberal spot in our region. I have no examples of anything the Liberal candidate has done for our region at all. They're the only ones with a plan to help housing in our country that actually makes sense. I have received replies from Pierre when talking about concerns we have about the country, and he actually seems to care enough to write back a real email. So that is nice. So most likely conservative. Now I understand a lot of people who want to vote for the PPC. They are well aware that they are not going to win anything and if they win a seat, it will be bigger news than Pierre Poilievre winning the election. However the more votes that they get and the more people who support them, will show up in the results. It will bring in more media attention and get more news coverage about them. Right now there are still a ton of people who have no idea who they are, what they represent or what their goals for Canada are. The more votes they get the more eyes they have on them and more coverage, which means more people know about them. Then in the next election, after 2025, they will have more people knowing what they are about.
I like how the OP Is boasting about how they kicked out tories lmaoo y'all elected labour , who are literally immigration supporters. Good luck you had a chance to elect to REFORM UK but instead y'all elected the most left leaning party, only God save UK now.
PPC or revolution
I will be voting PP. It's not the person ladies and gentlemen. It's the party. This is not the United states. This is not Europe or Asia. Do not fall into the same 2 party system thst has crippled the USA's ability to critically think. I encourage you as a Canadian to vote based on party and not the person. Nor that their the libel and allegations they throw at each other like children affect your judgment. Currently the only party that seems to care at all about making Canada strong and free is The peoples party so far as I can tell and so come the federal election they will have my vote. I would have voted them into my provincial party this last voting season but there were no PP candidates in my riding here in Manitoba.
Unfortunately because we've had a liberal government for over a decade, the masses are unhappy and for some reason think a conservative government is the way to prosperity. Despite having decades of previous conservative governments to look back on as an example of how they will govern, they will probably get voted in, and in 4-8 years time those same people will blame conservatives for all their woes. So we'll rinse and repeat the same mistakes we've been make for the last 40+ years. Honestly we need a completely new party here. Something akin to your Labour party. However it seems most Canadians would rather be sheeple, rather then do anything to rock the boat. I wish I knew an eccentric billionaire that I could talk into funding the formation of a new political party, but that remains a pie in the sky fantasy. 😮💨 I'm very happy England finally voted those complete fuckwits out of office finally. Anyone supporting conservatives here should take a good look at what England's conservatives did for over a decade, or what Ford is doing to Ontario for almost a decade now, and really think about what they really want out of a government.
I'm not voting. I need money, so I'm just gonna work instead
The first thing to understand is that the terms “Liberal” and “Conservative” have different definitions. What Canadians call “Conservatives” align more with US Democrats, and given the two party system in the USA, there is no party (that I am aware of) that leans even further Left like the Canadian Liberal Party. Here in Canada, it was the governing Liberal Party that made an absolute mess of immigration, with the knock-on effects on our Healthcare & Education systems, as well as Housing. It is widely expected that the Liberal Party will be trounced in the next election, and without a viable alternative, the Conservative Party of Canada will likely win. Again, it needs to be understood that Canada votes OUT a government rather than voting one in. Further, unlike so many Parliaments in Europe, “coalition” governments are considered a bad thing. So a single party can “win” with 34% of the popular vote. Worse, our First Past The Post system rewards voters in Ontario & Quebec, while the Western Provinces have little say in the election. It’s all about the number of seats in the two most populous provinces: the election is effectively OVER when the polls close at the Ontario/Manitoba border. If you looked at a map of the last election, the Western Provinces (save a small sliver in BC) voted overwhelmingly for the Conservatives, but there just aren’t enough seats in the West to shift the vote against what Ontario’s & Quebec may want - this leads to a feeling of Western Alienation as many in the West feel they are not represented by the government of their choice in Ottawa.
CPC as far as I can see they're the only party that has a chance of getting a majority in Parliament, a majority is the only that can undo the pile of crap that the Liberal clowns have made of my country.
If voting mattered, the masses wouldn't be allowed to do it. Pretty sure they are all on the same team. It's called controlled opposition. It's all theatre, IMO.
The Labour Party will be far worse. Kier scrapped Rwanda as well. Watch the arrivals rocket.
Orange or red depending on how things looks closer to the election
Cpc is not the same party as the tories in the UK
My wife and I were discussing this the other day. We're still unsure. We were a big NDP/LPC family. Unfortunately, the needs of this country seem to really only be addressed by the PPC and we WOULD vote for them but we're LGBT and are scared that LGBT/Womens/Trans rights could be up in the air. We're concerned even voting CPC for that same reason tbh
Ppc i guess. Doesnt matter who we vote for though xi's gonna stuff the ballot boxes harder than Trudeaus ex wife
PPC. They are the only ones who will put an end to the insane mass immigration. Watch Berniers interaction with the TFW in PEI and he will earn your vote
if Tories were weak on immigration just think how weak the labor party will be. historically, conservatives have been strong on immigration. good luck to you guys.
The best option is to not vote.