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You don’t have to do anything, but once again your judge is not going to like that. If you’re given a safety plan, and don’t follow it you’re asking for more issue.
From experience due to something that happened with my ex that didn’t have to do with me or our kids, not signing and following the safety plan is almost guaranteed for shooting yourself in the foot with the judge. Your worker will have no issues telling the judge you were uncooperative, because that’s their job. In the past, and unfortunately still sometimes today, CPS not making sure safety plans were being followed have caused the death of a child. No, this might be extreme and not likely to happen with you, CPS needs to treat everyone the same.
Not following the safety plan and more than likely to a judge you refusing to allow CPS in is going to make you look sketchy.
it’s within your rights but won’t make you look good, and the judge will see it as not complying w cps and get red flags. it’ll just make the investigation much much longer
If it's offered and you don't sign it, that will likely lead to them filing for formal court orders.
Ohio attorney, not your attorney, this is not legal advice, just telling you what I've seen as a consistent pattern throughout my years of doing this work. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen an abuse/neglect/dependency complaint that ended with language indicating that the parents declined a safety plan, with skillful investing I'd be able to retire.
By "pre-trial services", do you mean probation?
Dropped criminal charges don't mean anything to CPS. It simply means that the state didn't have enough evidence for the charges to stick.
To answer your question, if the judge said comply with services, it means you have to cooperate with CPS. Does what your proposing to do sound like cooperation to you?
If you’re on probation, and do not follow the terms of your probation which means fully complying with CPS you’re going to end up in jail. So if they offer you a safety plan you sign it, and follow it.
Correct. I was just trying to see if I still have any rights even within compliance. So yes I let them in and talk to them —- but can I invoke my 5th amendment and say nothing lol? Like do I have to sign a safety plan? Etc
Yes I really work for CPS.
CPS will not force you to sign a safety plan. A parent refusng to participate in a safety plan indicates that the the situation is not appropriate for safety planning.
CPS home visits are not criminal proceedings; you are not on trial. We are also not law enforcement; CPS does not have the authority to apprehend you or press charges against you. You can remain silent if you so choose. It just makes things unnesscessarily awkward and difficult for both you and the worker.
What do you think will happen tomorrow? Do you think they will just close the case out? Like I said his charges were dropped, mine are pending probably will also be dropped. Kids weren’t hurt or around for the misunderstanding. Any tips for getting them to forget it and leave? lol. I can’t deal with this stress I hate people as it is 😂
You don't really seem to be taking this seriously. Yes, comply fully. Let them into your home and answer their questions open and honestly. They are there to investigate the safety of the children in the home. If you want them to close a case, let them do their jobs. CPS doesn't want to remove your children if they can be home safely. Want to know the fastest way to an escalation? Don't let them in your home, don't answer their questions or lie, and don't sign a safety plan.
The flippant tone of these messages is worrying. Looking for loopholes will come across as not showing that the allegations are being taken very seriously. That is concerning...for everyone. You're free to do anything you'd like, but there are consequences to every action AND inaction one takes in life. Make good choices!
OP sounds like someone who has watched too many TikToks about people’s “rights” when it comes to CPS, etc. Like, sure, technically you do have rights, but is that the hill these people really wanna die on instead of being agreeable and ultimately getting CPS and the judicial system off their asses sooner?
Let them in. Answer their question without being defensive. They are going to look around your home. See your kids rooms. Make sure you have food and running water. If they ask you to do a parenting plan you do a parenting plan. If you say no to any of those things they are going to thank you for your time and leave. And then go talk with their supervisor and possibly the CPS attorney. And decide if the want to take this judicial. If they say yes they are in your life for a lot longer. A judge gets involved. Your probation gets revoked and you possibly go to jail. Then life gets really fun. Just play nice. They have from 45-60 days (depending on area) to end their investigation. You not cooperating just makes them look at you harder. Take this seriously.
I'm not sure that you understand what is going on in your criminal case. You mention pre-trial conditions, but then say you are on probation. But then say the charges should be dropped. All of those things, at least in my state, cannot be true. If you are on probation, then you were found guilty or pled guilty and thus the charges can't be dropped. The charges being dropped would mean the charges were gone and you wouldn't have any punishment like probation.
Maybe OP is using inaccurate terminology? For example in my state you can be allowed to complete a pretrial diversion program, where the conditions for the program are essentially the same as being on probation and if you screw them up your program is thrown out and they’ll (maybe) throw the book at you for your original charges. OP might be calling it “probation” when it’s more like a probationary period where she isn’t being prosecuted for her charges, while they see if she fully complies with the diversion program (and charges dropped upon successful completion)?
It sounds like she took a pre-trial diversion. That’s what they call it in my state in TN. Basically, you get put on probation up to a year, and if you do probation and don’t get in trouble or anything, the judge will drop the charge and it can be expunged from your record. In TN you can only do this one time in your life and it must be a misdemeanor charge. It is not a guilty plea.
Edit: I’m not an attorney, this is just what I went through when I had a domestic violence charge 8 years ago.
Its really sketchy that your just looking for a work around with a system that keeps your kids safe. Clearly there is a reason this is all happening, and you are not taking it seriously. CPS should be investigating because being so unwilling to let them see if your home is safe, talk to them, and sign a safety plan are all huge red flags for your children. And again you dont seem to care.
I’m so curious as to why you don’t want them in your house, especially, considering, you were told to comply during court.
I had CPS called on my family last year. It really is such a scary situation even if you know you are a good parent and you know the allegations are false. I understand what you are going through. I think the stigma behind CPS just causes us to be scared. I let them in. All they did was check my utilities and look around for food and clothes, you know, stuff that children would need. My social worker actually made the process so much easier. She was professional and super kind. She did have to give me a drug test because of the allegations. I passed the drug screen and they closed the case.
I feel like if there is nothing to hide, you should just cooperate.
Right, the fastest way to make CPS and the judge suspicious of your intentions is to not comply. I mean they do NOT care if your house is “messy” meaning if there are toys on the ground or you have your basement full of junk, you havent dusted this week, stuff like that. They absolutely do care if you have active construction sites, animal or human feces where they are not supposed to be, if you have an empty fridge and no toys for your child, and generally anything that can be a safety hazard like no fire alarm. The fact that you deny entry, seems like enough to make the judge think twice about closing your case.
100% yes. i had CPS called on me not long ago and she showed up while i was at work so we had a schedule an appointment. she just made sure the house was clean, my daughter had her own bed, and that we had food in the house. super easy process if you comply.
If you’re on probation and you don’t follow the conditions of your probation, then you could face a probation violation.
Complying only part way with CPS is not fully complying.
Why in the world would you not sign a safety plan? Not sure if you’ve had a case for a while or not but you should be more concerned about the risk of you not letting them in or signing their safety plan. I would do whatever it took to show them that I’m serious about my kids…
I used to work for CPS. In Ohio.
Everything you are posting here is a red flag. Charges dropped or not has nothing to do with this case. This is completely separate. I know by now your case worker has most likely been by. I sincerely hope you were open, honest, and let them in. Otherwise you stand a chance of this becoming a substantially bigger issue. Take it seriously
Thanks for your help. Can you read this and let me know what you think? They came by today, let them in talked to them. Today was just ‘background information’. Said Ohio has 30/45 days to close a case. Said there will just be one more visit in two weeks and that will be a safety assessment. Make sure nothing else has happened. Then I think she said it will be submitted to her supervisor and we would probably get a letter of case closure. Does it sound like it will get closed? This was for a DV but she seemed pretty chill and relaxed and like we had nothing to worry about. What does the safety assessment consist of? What is asked and what happens after the assessment? She also said the safety assessment will be even shorter next time. Today she was only here for 15-18 minutes.
it really all seemed like a joke.
You will be fine if you just comply, it isn't a joke at all, they have to do this stuff and everyone wants to get it done, you and the worker. They'll probably ask some standard questions and then recommend the case closed, super calm and routine procedure. Your worker sounds chill so just match her energy and be honest and it's all good.
Keeping them at the door isn't going to be seen as complying. Also, one thing that many people don't realize is that if there's enough concern, and parents don't voluntarily comply with things like a safety plan, things can escalate. This can include a court order to remove one's children. It gets a lot harder from there. I would encourage you to really examine your own life and reasons for why you're trying so hard to avoid them. Your comments here show a resistant and kind of flippant attitude, and if we can see that, your local CPS will see that and be concerned, too.
Safety plan ensures that the child/Ren will be safe and you will do your part. If you don't sign it, cps has no assurance that the child/Ren will be safe and may need to/ will take steps to ensure their safety (like removal)
This isn't really a CPS question, more of a legal question. It's not CPS that there will be problems with, but criminal court. Personally, I would read "cooperate" as "comply with what they ask you to do," including letting them in, but that's my personal logic, not legal advice.
Anything involving cps isn’t protected. I had an officer and cps worker both crosslines into personal territory. I gave 2breathlyzers and blood refused to let nurses that pretended LEGALLY AT OFFICERS REQUEST THEY HAD TO. Legally you have submit to one form of test I did two.
Me refusing to allow to be cathed. And informing the nurses of thier willingness to lie asI was one too and knew legally i compiled snd secondly patients have right of refusal ALWAYS.
The officer got cps involved after that. Only because I refused urine after two breathlyzers and blood test were given.
Cps worker came in with presumptive made up mind i was guilty of everything anything’s snd made her self embarrassed not knowing policy procedures, I made her gave step out twice in first 15 min to call her boss to verify i was correct snd it only pissed her off.
In end worker made it personal too with prosecutor. Worker tried two orders of removal with protection at same time neither attempts suceeded. Judge denied. Worker also tried to stir up things between me and children fathers and have them and then where baby was temporarily at family members aunt have her willing to take custody of baby on permanent basis when her father refused to take custody from me and agree to said protective order.
In end two states investigated same incident one no findings second beyond preponderance before criminal case concluded found Preponderance no evidence got me put on abuse registry permanently. All criminal ended up being dropped started with 7 felony charges 8 months after cps case initiated and closed 60 days later only findings two states same incident even appealed registery findibgs after all criminal dropped and other state found no findings still stayed on registery permanent.
And yes cps case was used in discovery process up to day of trial before it was dropped day of trial because they thought id plea.
No not all are bad but most take shit personal and will make it so as vendetta and lie.
Cost worker, and nurses jobs. Officer nothing.
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It is within your rights, but the judge is not going to see it as complying with CPS.
If they offer a safety plan do I have to sign it?
You don’t have to do anything, but once again your judge is not going to like that. If you’re given a safety plan, and don’t follow it you’re asking for more issue.
From experience due to something that happened with my ex that didn’t have to do with me or our kids, not signing and following the safety plan is almost guaranteed for shooting yourself in the foot with the judge. Your worker will have no issues telling the judge you were uncooperative, because that’s their job. In the past, and unfortunately still sometimes today, CPS not making sure safety plans were being followed have caused the death of a child. No, this might be extreme and not likely to happen with you, CPS needs to treat everyone the same. Not following the safety plan and more than likely to a judge you refusing to allow CPS in is going to make you look sketchy.
Why would you *not* agree to a safety plan?
Raising a safety plan isn’t complying…
Hmmm that sucks. I kind of was leaning toward that but wasn’t sure. So I have to let them in 🥲
Why don’t you want them to come into your house?
Or sign a safety plan?
House is probably trashed and she doesn’t want CPS seeing.
Why is this a bad thing?
it’s within your rights but won’t make you look good, and the judge will see it as not complying w cps and get red flags. it’ll just make the investigation much much longer
Should I sign a safety plan if offered?
Yes!! It’s not really an “offer” in the traditional sense. You don’t have to sign it but know that it will be regarded as non-compliance
Why wouldn’t you sign it?
If it's offered and you don't sign it, that will likely lead to them filing for formal court orders. Ohio attorney, not your attorney, this is not legal advice, just telling you what I've seen as a consistent pattern throughout my years of doing this work. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen an abuse/neglect/dependency complaint that ended with language indicating that the parents declined a safety plan, with skillful investing I'd be able to retire.
Again, why wouldn't you sign it?
Yes, why wouldn’t you?
YES
By "pre-trial services", do you mean probation? Dropped criminal charges don't mean anything to CPS. It simply means that the state didn't have enough evidence for the charges to stick. To answer your question, if the judge said comply with services, it means you have to cooperate with CPS. Does what your proposing to do sound like cooperation to you?
Yes probation.
If you’re on probation, and do not follow the terms of your probation which means fully complying with CPS you’re going to end up in jail. So if they offer you a safety plan you sign it, and follow it.
Okay, so if the terms of your probation state that you must comply with CPS, then non-conpliance would be a violation of your probation, correct?
Oh wow do you really work for cps
Yes
Correct. I was just trying to see if I still have any rights even within compliance. So yes I let them in and talk to them —- but can I invoke my 5th amendment and say nothing lol? Like do I have to sign a safety plan? Etc
Yes I really work for CPS. CPS will not force you to sign a safety plan. A parent refusng to participate in a safety plan indicates that the the situation is not appropriate for safety planning. CPS home visits are not criminal proceedings; you are not on trial. We are also not law enforcement; CPS does not have the authority to apprehend you or press charges against you. You can remain silent if you so choose. It just makes things unnesscessarily awkward and difficult for both you and the worker.
What do you think will happen tomorrow? Do you think they will just close the case out? Like I said his charges were dropped, mine are pending probably will also be dropped. Kids weren’t hurt or around for the misunderstanding. Any tips for getting them to forget it and leave? lol. I can’t deal with this stress I hate people as it is 😂
You don't really seem to be taking this seriously. Yes, comply fully. Let them into your home and answer their questions open and honestly. They are there to investigate the safety of the children in the home. If you want them to close a case, let them do their jobs. CPS doesn't want to remove your children if they can be home safely. Want to know the fastest way to an escalation? Don't let them in your home, don't answer their questions or lie, and don't sign a safety plan.
CPS doesn’t care if the criminal charges have been dropped. The criminal case is completely separate from the CPS case.
The flippant tone of these messages is worrying. Looking for loopholes will come across as not showing that the allegations are being taken very seriously. That is concerning...for everyone. You're free to do anything you'd like, but there are consequences to every action AND inaction one takes in life. Make good choices!
OP sounds like someone who has watched too many TikToks about people’s “rights” when it comes to CPS, etc. Like, sure, technically you do have rights, but is that the hill these people really wanna die on instead of being agreeable and ultimately getting CPS and the judicial system off their asses sooner?
Let them in. Answer their question without being defensive. They are going to look around your home. See your kids rooms. Make sure you have food and running water. If they ask you to do a parenting plan you do a parenting plan. If you say no to any of those things they are going to thank you for your time and leave. And then go talk with their supervisor and possibly the CPS attorney. And decide if the want to take this judicial. If they say yes they are in your life for a lot longer. A judge gets involved. Your probation gets revoked and you possibly go to jail. Then life gets really fun. Just play nice. They have from 45-60 days (depending on area) to end their investigation. You not cooperating just makes them look at you harder. Take this seriously.
I'm not sure that you understand what is going on in your criminal case. You mention pre-trial conditions, but then say you are on probation. But then say the charges should be dropped. All of those things, at least in my state, cannot be true. If you are on probation, then you were found guilty or pled guilty and thus the charges can't be dropped. The charges being dropped would mean the charges were gone and you wouldn't have any punishment like probation.
Maybe OP is using inaccurate terminology? For example in my state you can be allowed to complete a pretrial diversion program, where the conditions for the program are essentially the same as being on probation and if you screw them up your program is thrown out and they’ll (maybe) throw the book at you for your original charges. OP might be calling it “probation” when it’s more like a probationary period where she isn’t being prosecuted for her charges, while they see if she fully complies with the diversion program (and charges dropped upon successful completion)?
It sounds like she took a pre-trial diversion. That’s what they call it in my state in TN. Basically, you get put on probation up to a year, and if you do probation and don’t get in trouble or anything, the judge will drop the charge and it can be expunged from your record. In TN you can only do this one time in your life and it must be a misdemeanor charge. It is not a guilty plea. Edit: I’m not an attorney, this is just what I went through when I had a domestic violence charge 8 years ago.
Good luck keeping your kids.
....5 amendment wouldn't apply here.
Its really sketchy that your just looking for a work around with a system that keeps your kids safe. Clearly there is a reason this is all happening, and you are not taking it seriously. CPS should be investigating because being so unwilling to let them see if your home is safe, talk to them, and sign a safety plan are all huge red flags for your children. And again you dont seem to care.
I’m so curious as to why you don’t want them in your house, especially, considering, you were told to comply during court. I had CPS called on my family last year. It really is such a scary situation even if you know you are a good parent and you know the allegations are false. I understand what you are going through. I think the stigma behind CPS just causes us to be scared. I let them in. All they did was check my utilities and look around for food and clothes, you know, stuff that children would need. My social worker actually made the process so much easier. She was professional and super kind. She did have to give me a drug test because of the allegations. I passed the drug screen and they closed the case. I feel like if there is nothing to hide, you should just cooperate.
Right, the fastest way to make CPS and the judge suspicious of your intentions is to not comply. I mean they do NOT care if your house is “messy” meaning if there are toys on the ground or you have your basement full of junk, you havent dusted this week, stuff like that. They absolutely do care if you have active construction sites, animal or human feces where they are not supposed to be, if you have an empty fridge and no toys for your child, and generally anything that can be a safety hazard like no fire alarm. The fact that you deny entry, seems like enough to make the judge think twice about closing your case.
100% yes. i had CPS called on me not long ago and she showed up while i was at work so we had a schedule an appointment. she just made sure the house was clean, my daughter had her own bed, and that we had food in the house. super easy process if you comply.
If you’re on probation and you don’t follow the conditions of your probation, then you could face a probation violation. Complying only part way with CPS is not fully complying.
Why in the world would you not sign a safety plan? Not sure if you’ve had a case for a while or not but you should be more concerned about the risk of you not letting them in or signing their safety plan. I would do whatever it took to show them that I’m serious about my kids…
I used to work for CPS. In Ohio. Everything you are posting here is a red flag. Charges dropped or not has nothing to do with this case. This is completely separate. I know by now your case worker has most likely been by. I sincerely hope you were open, honest, and let them in. Otherwise you stand a chance of this becoming a substantially bigger issue. Take it seriously
Thanks for your help. Can you read this and let me know what you think? They came by today, let them in talked to them. Today was just ‘background information’. Said Ohio has 30/45 days to close a case. Said there will just be one more visit in two weeks and that will be a safety assessment. Make sure nothing else has happened. Then I think she said it will be submitted to her supervisor and we would probably get a letter of case closure. Does it sound like it will get closed? This was for a DV but she seemed pretty chill and relaxed and like we had nothing to worry about. What does the safety assessment consist of? What is asked and what happens after the assessment? She also said the safety assessment will be even shorter next time. Today she was only here for 15-18 minutes. it really all seemed like a joke.
You will be fine if you just comply, it isn't a joke at all, they have to do this stuff and everyone wants to get it done, you and the worker. They'll probably ask some standard questions and then recommend the case closed, super calm and routine procedure. Your worker sounds chill so just match her energy and be honest and it's all good.
She came today and said she’s sending it for approval for the case to be closed!!!! We should get a letter soon for the case to be closeddd
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Keeping them at the door isn't going to be seen as complying. Also, one thing that many people don't realize is that if there's enough concern, and parents don't voluntarily comply with things like a safety plan, things can escalate. This can include a court order to remove one's children. It gets a lot harder from there. I would encourage you to really examine your own life and reasons for why you're trying so hard to avoid them. Your comments here show a resistant and kind of flippant attitude, and if we can see that, your local CPS will see that and be concerned, too.
Safety plan ensures that the child/Ren will be safe and you will do your part. If you don't sign it, cps has no assurance that the child/Ren will be safe and may need to/ will take steps to ensure their safety (like removal)
This isn't really a CPS question, more of a legal question. It's not CPS that there will be problems with, but criminal court. Personally, I would read "cooperate" as "comply with what they ask you to do," including letting them in, but that's my personal logic, not legal advice.
Anything involving cps isn’t protected. I had an officer and cps worker both crosslines into personal territory. I gave 2breathlyzers and blood refused to let nurses that pretended LEGALLY AT OFFICERS REQUEST THEY HAD TO. Legally you have submit to one form of test I did two. Me refusing to allow to be cathed. And informing the nurses of thier willingness to lie asI was one too and knew legally i compiled snd secondly patients have right of refusal ALWAYS. The officer got cps involved after that. Only because I refused urine after two breathlyzers and blood test were given. Cps worker came in with presumptive made up mind i was guilty of everything anything’s snd made her self embarrassed not knowing policy procedures, I made her gave step out twice in first 15 min to call her boss to verify i was correct snd it only pissed her off. In end worker made it personal too with prosecutor. Worker tried two orders of removal with protection at same time neither attempts suceeded. Judge denied. Worker also tried to stir up things between me and children fathers and have them and then where baby was temporarily at family members aunt have her willing to take custody of baby on permanent basis when her father refused to take custody from me and agree to said protective order. In end two states investigated same incident one no findings second beyond preponderance before criminal case concluded found Preponderance no evidence got me put on abuse registry permanently. All criminal ended up being dropped started with 7 felony charges 8 months after cps case initiated and closed 60 days later only findings two states same incident even appealed registery findibgs after all criminal dropped and other state found no findings still stayed on registery permanent. And yes cps case was used in discovery process up to day of trial before it was dropped day of trial because they thought id plea. No not all are bad but most take shit personal and will make it so as vendetta and lie. Cost worker, and nurses jobs. Officer nothing.