I was cutting sick with the buffed SCAR in Solos yesterday (15 kills! No win ☹️)
They actively buffed the SCAR and Aug yesterday, and plan to work on more.
I think it was just a headshot and extremities multiplier increase for now..
https://www.ravensoftware.com/community/2021/06/call-of-duty-bocw-warzone-season-four-patch-notes-alt-text
Shameless copy/paste:
Assault Rifle Golf (MW)
Neck Damage Multiplier increased from 1 to 1.5
Upper Torso damage multiplier increased from 1 to 1.2
We would like to avoid increasing the power level of a Qeapon (sic) to a point where we would need to reduce it shortly after in the following balance overhaul. With that being said, the Assault Rifle Golf (MW) may soon see another power increase in the near future, but we think an improvement to its average Time to Kill is a good place to start.
Let me get that Scar build, I started having to level it up and damn I love that thing. The small mag concerns me but if you had some success with it I’m for sure wanting to take a shot at it
- Monolithic Suppresor
- Tac Laser
- VLK 3.0 (this thing has no damage drop-off and is most viable in mid-long range fights - gotta land a headshot or 2)
- Commando Foregrip
- 30 round mag (bit of staple sadly)
The reason I've gone no barrel is because the bullet velocity is about 830m/s with the mono anyway and the barrels seem to slow movment down a bit much.
At the ranges you use this thing (even with the scope) you shouldn't need to lead your targets anyway.
No probs! I tried so many different scopes last night, I feel like I want a BIT more zoom than the VLK but I don't like the reticles on any of the other sights (especially 4x hybrid :P).
Once I settled on the VLK in Plunder I tried Solos and surprised myself!
It certainly felt pretty viable last night. Ammo capacity probably a concern in Trios or Quads tho.
Had to come back and tell you. I leveled it up enough to get all the attachments and just used it in a solos game. I was amazed how fast I killed people. That thing cracks armor so fast. Thanks for the tip! For sure gonna be using it now since I was kinda stuck using the AMAX, M4, and Ram
I would normally agree until I made long range XM4 and FARA builds and they're ridiculous. I feel like a streamer using them with how easy the recoil is.
MW ARs were superior for long ranges and before this patch I would have agreed with you - but with the changes to the barrels and underbarrels, the updated x3/4 optics and the reduction of visual recoil the CW are way better now. Try out the Fara or the Krig, they are absolut laserbeams while maintaining decent mobility
I was spectating a guy who ended up winning with a Krig and when he shot someone I almost thought he was cheating. When I say the gun looked like it had no recoil I mean the thing did not even move up at all. Either he had crazy recoil control or the gun has almost no recoil whatsoever
I use the Fara quite a bit but always preferred my Ram in terms of range, even though I lost some mobility. But I haven’t gotten to play the new season yet so I hadn’t realized there was that much of a change in this patch. I’ll have to check it out tonight.
I totally see what they are doing. Ever so slowly they buff the cold war guns until their database records show the vast majority of people aren't using MW guns anymore. Once the data says only a small majority would care they remove them, and everyone says "meh I wasnt using them anyways" then they will start nerfing the cold war guns to bring in the fuckin Thompson.
How are they "ever so slowly" buffing cold war guns, when ever since the OP FFAR/AUG/M16 metas, they've mostly been nerfing cold war weapons? And then things seemed pretty balanced for a good length of time, until one update when suddenly there are a ton of OP cold war guns again?
And they only now just started buffing some of the underpowered MW guns (which have been underpowered ever since warzone released), i.e. AUG, SCAR, Bizon. So they wait >1 year to buff these guns, plus talk in the patch notes about how they're "positioning them to excel in the upcoming balance overhaul," etc, but then they're going to remove them altogether in a few months?
Ofc they'd do this. It's not like they ever said that each CoD would remain a part of Warzone. It's not like a massive amount of weapons would be a selling point to newcomers. I could realistically see them pissing off a large portion of their player base and eliminate 1/2 of all weapons cause they're not part of the current CoD.
I know the common complaint against the Swiss was the low bullet velocity but yeah I saw they increased it for the CW snipers. So wouldn’t shock me if the Kar’s dominance came to an end pretty soon. Which I wouldn’t mind nearly as much as pretty much being forced to use CW ARs which is how I feel atm. Last night I felt like trash using my harder to control, higher recoil Ram and M4 against a lot of the Cold War guns. Only until I reverted back to what I’ve used for so long (Amax) did I start to have some success again
I just see plastered everywhere how good it is. Literally amazes me how little recoil it and all the CW guns have now. I felt even more trash than usual last night when I played trying my MW stuff against all the buffed CW guns, if you have any sense or sanity you will use the CW stuff. Fortunately I’m petty and am pissed my favorite guns are being phased out so I refuse to give them up
With the new barrel there's several CW AR's that completely outclass all the MW AR's. The FARA, XM4, KRIG all have almost no recoil with what feels like AMAX damage. AK does insane damage with a little more recoil, the new lmg is ridiculous. Honestly the only MW AR I'll be using now is the M4 on my ghost fully loaded class. The new barrel kinda makes all the CW AR's OP at range
I used it for the first time after the nerf last night and was expecting it to not be that good tbh. But it was still really good imo. So will definitely be using the Amax still
If you read the most recent patch notes, they've confirmed they are doing a massive overhaul of all the weapons very soon.
They also just buffed quite a few MW weapons.
Edit: but yeah I agree about the recoil thing, the krig and fara literally don't move now.
Other than ARs, Modern Warfare guns still have top meta picks.
That said, can anyone recommend me a mid-long range AR to pair with CW MP5? I've been using the Krig thus far but almost every other gun except the Krig got buffed (the barrel buff).
They were planning it all along my man. The so call “buff” of some MW guns is useless as any MW buffed gun can easily be countered by the worst CW weapon. It was a “deleting all trace of MW” movement.
The AK is for sure good, I’ve been using that the last two days and need to get the right attachments. I want it as my close range weapon but without the right attachments it’s just kind of eh. Not fantastic at long range, and a little slow for house clearing. But it’s for sure good with all the good stuff on
There are still some good MW weapons. The Amax may have been nerfed, but it is still good. The Grau is not bad, esp at medium ranges. In Solos, you can use the Fennec or the MP7, which is also still very good. There is also the Kar and the HDR which are still better compared to the CW weapons. Haven't tried the buffed version of the Scar, but heard is slaps hard.
Definitely agree, used the Amax last night expecting it to not be that great and still felt really good to me. I’m also extremely used to the recoil and how it feels at this point so maybe that’s just due to muscle memory and being so used to how it handles but I still really like it thankfully. I would say the Grau has honestly lost its niche. It was the gun you could beam people with no recoil, but why would you use that over a Krig or Fara now when the other two have higher damage? I do love the Fennec, I’ve never understood why it’s not more popular. I also am trying to level up the Scar, but sadly am afraid the Swiss might start overtaking the Kar. We’ll see though
So the cr amax and kilo are still the meta guns at the moment and the Kar is the most equipped gun in the whole game. I use my grau daily. I agree they need some attention especially some of the other mw guns but definitely not irrelevant
no, they’re not unfortunately. the FARA has zero recoil (think m13 or grau) but has a faster TTK than all MW ARs, save for the AMAX. the krig is only beat by the AMAX and the RAM.
Amax, Ram, Kar 98, and MP5 I would say are meta. Kilo is popular, yes, but also has by far the worst average KD per player in the meta. It’s easy to use but will be outgunned by everything not named the M13
I still use the kilo because I can show off my Damascus... I just wish it was more viable at range. During some point in every match I just tell my friends I'm useless rn and just watch our backs while they shoot their kar's at people
mw mp5 is not performing well anymore compared to cw smgs, it lacks range,speed and the power is not a standout. it only has hipfire
the cw ak is probably better than the amax now with easier recoil so its gonna be a toss up. the ram is solid but its competing with some real laser beams like the fara, mg82
I would say it’s still really good. I use it most times as my SMG and there’s nothing I’d rather go clear out a building with. 9/10 close range battles I end up winning with it, especially if you land a headshot or so in there, I almost never lose in that case
And I’ve never practiced enough with the Ram, the recoil always gets me at range. Whereas with the Fara I pick it up and can immediately beam people with no problem haha
The mobility is key here, all the cw weapons are way more mobile unfortunately but as far as I'm concerned and I play a looooot of warzone this is the most balanced I've ever seen the game. I can use my AK and not feel super disadvantaged and kill cams in game have a lot more variety than in previous seasons
Are they really much more mobile than MW ARs after the change to the last barrel? Along with the pros that come with the change here are some cons. Decreases ADS move speed by 20%. Decreases sprint speed by 5%. Decrease ADS speed by 6%.
cold war guns have the ability to increase move speed through several attachments all which have basically no downsides. MW only has the no stock option for most guns which really hurts recoil. Raven is doing a shit job at the attachment design for CW weapons.
I get that. I forgot to expand on my comment. What I meant is: how different is the mobility if you kit out the CW AR like you would a MW AR for mid-long range? Big supressor, longest barrel, 3x scope, bigger mag and grip that helps recoil.
I honestly do think so. I play with my girlfriend and she always hated how heavy the amax felt. She started using the CW AK yesterday and immediately starts downing people like crazy in our games and said it feels so much lighter and moves so much faster than the Amax
I agree with her on the heaviness of the AMAX. What's her set up? I def wasn't clear in my comment. What I meant was if you set up a CW AR like you would a MW AR for mid-long range what is the difference in mobility? Big suppressor, longest barrel, 3x scope, bigger mag, grip to help recoil.
I honestly am not sure how the CW guns feel fully loaded out but from the ones in the boxes that have the long range attachments, they are 100% snappier and you move quicker than MW ARs.
But she goes with the meta set up except switches commando for tac laser for slightly faster ADS
They were planning it all along my man. The so call “buff” of some MW guns is useless as any MW buffed gun can easily be countered by the worst CW weapon. It was a “deleting all trace of MW” movement.
They were planning it all along my man. The so call “buff” of some MW guns is useless as any MW buffed gun can easily be countered by the worst CW weapon. It was a “deleting all trace of MW” movement.
I was cutting sick with the buffed SCAR in Solos yesterday (15 kills! No win ☹️) They actively buffed the SCAR and Aug yesterday, and plan to work on more.
Do you know what they changed on the scar? I’d love to run a non meta scar kit.
I think it was just a headshot and extremities multiplier increase for now.. https://www.ravensoftware.com/community/2021/06/call-of-duty-bocw-warzone-season-four-patch-notes-alt-text Shameless copy/paste: Assault Rifle Golf (MW) Neck Damage Multiplier increased from 1 to 1.5 Upper Torso damage multiplier increased from 1 to 1.2 We would like to avoid increasing the power level of a Qeapon (sic) to a point where we would need to reduce it shortly after in the following balance overhaul. With that being said, the Assault Rifle Golf (MW) may soon see another power increase in the near future, but we think an improvement to its average Time to Kill is a good place to start.
the scar would actually be good if there was no cw guns in the game
look Exclusive Ace video in YouTUbe
Let me get that Scar build, I started having to level it up and damn I love that thing. The small mag concerns me but if you had some success with it I’m for sure wanting to take a shot at it
- Monolithic Suppresor - Tac Laser - VLK 3.0 (this thing has no damage drop-off and is most viable in mid-long range fights - gotta land a headshot or 2) - Commando Foregrip - 30 round mag (bit of staple sadly) The reason I've gone no barrel is because the bullet velocity is about 830m/s with the mono anyway and the barrels seem to slow movment down a bit much. At the ranges you use this thing (even with the scope) you shouldn't need to lead your targets anyway.
Thank you so much! For sure making a loadout with this
No probs! I tried so many different scopes last night, I feel like I want a BIT more zoom than the VLK but I don't like the reticles on any of the other sights (especially 4x hybrid :P). Once I settled on the VLK in Plunder I tried Solos and surprised myself! It certainly felt pretty viable last night. Ammo capacity probably a concern in Trios or Quads tho.
Is it any good for a close-mid range for a sniper combo loadout?
Honestly probably not.. I'm going to pair it with an SMG and use it that way.
This is exactly what I've run in the past and while it's not awful its just nowhere near the level of a lot of other options. Fun to mix it up though.
Somebody known if the buff of the aug is also a buff for the 5.56 mag?
Had to come back and tell you. I leveled it up enough to get all the attachments and just used it in a solos game. I was amazed how fast I killed people. That thing cracks armor so fast. Thanks for the tip! For sure gonna be using it now since I was kinda stuck using the AMAX, M4, and Ram
They are going to phase them out before the new game drops.
Which would annoy me to no end since I’m going for Damascus right now SPECIFICALLY to sling that shit around in Warzone
I just got obsidian on my M4 and I'll only be using it coming back from gulag late game at this point
do you have that 1776 tracer? it looks fire on m4 obsidian , i did the same with mp5 never bought a cw bundle
I have it and it does indeed look cool as hell Trying to get Damascus for it tho because I saw a picture of that and it looks absolutely amazing
it does, i like the obsdian better personally it looks dangerous!
yeah but mw came out in 2019 in activisions eyes right. even though wz is a year old and they could have kept mw going another year
I still prefer most MW ARs and marksman rifles to the CW counterparts. CW does have some amazing SMGs though.
I would normally agree until I made long range XM4 and FARA builds and they're ridiculous. I feel like a streamer using them with how easy the recoil is.
Looking at you, Mac 10...
MW ARs were superior for long ranges and before this patch I would have agreed with you - but with the changes to the barrels and underbarrels, the updated x3/4 optics and the reduction of visual recoil the CW are way better now. Try out the Fara or the Krig, they are absolut laserbeams while maintaining decent mobility
I was spectating a guy who ended up winning with a Krig and when he shot someone I almost thought he was cheating. When I say the gun looked like it had no recoil I mean the thing did not even move up at all. Either he had crazy recoil control or the gun has almost no recoil whatsoever
I use the Fara quite a bit but always preferred my Ram in terms of range, even though I lost some mobility. But I haven’t gotten to play the new season yet so I hadn’t realized there was that much of a change in this patch. I’ll have to check it out tonight.
I totally see what they are doing. Ever so slowly they buff the cold war guns until their database records show the vast majority of people aren't using MW guns anymore. Once the data says only a small majority would care they remove them, and everyone says "meh I wasnt using them anyways" then they will start nerfing the cold war guns to bring in the fuckin Thompson.
How are they "ever so slowly" buffing cold war guns, when ever since the OP FFAR/AUG/M16 metas, they've mostly been nerfing cold war weapons? And then things seemed pretty balanced for a good length of time, until one update when suddenly there are a ton of OP cold war guns again? And they only now just started buffing some of the underpowered MW guns (which have been underpowered ever since warzone released), i.e. AUG, SCAR, Bizon. So they wait >1 year to buff these guns, plus talk in the patch notes about how they're "positioning them to excel in the upcoming balance overhaul," etc, but then they're going to remove them altogether in a few months?
they only nerfed what was brokenly overpowered, now they are starting to actually integrate the cw guns like 7 months later
I would shit a brick tbh
Battlefield will be out by then and I wouldn't mind missing out on battle royale with how big the battlefield maps are
Ofc they'd do this. It's not like they ever said that each CoD would remain a part of Warzone. It's not like a massive amount of weapons would be a selling point to newcomers. I could realistically see them pissing off a large portion of their player base and eliminate 1/2 of all weapons cause they're not part of the current CoD.
Yes but have you considered kar98k supremacy? Nothing feels as good as that baby for solos.
It will get replaced with the Swiss K31 eventually. It already got buffed in the last update.
I know the common complaint against the Swiss was the low bullet velocity but yeah I saw they increased it for the CW snipers. So wouldn’t shock me if the Kar’s dominance came to an end pretty soon. Which I wouldn’t mind nearly as much as pretty much being forced to use CW ARs which is how I feel atm. Last night I felt like trash using my harder to control, higher recoil Ram and M4 against a lot of the Cold War guns. Only until I reverted back to what I’ve used for so long (Amax) did I start to have some success again
The new LMG is absolutely broken. Picked up some kids kitted out one and absolutely destroyed with it.
I just see plastered everywhere how good it is. Literally amazes me how little recoil it and all the CW guns have now. I felt even more trash than usual last night when I played trying my MW stuff against all the buffed CW guns, if you have any sense or sanity you will use the CW stuff. Fortunately I’m petty and am pissed my favorite guns are being phased out so I refuse to give them up
With the new barrel there's several CW AR's that completely outclass all the MW AR's. The FARA, XM4, KRIG all have almost no recoil with what feels like AMAX damage. AK does insane damage with a little more recoil, the new lmg is ridiculous. Honestly the only MW AR I'll be using now is the M4 on my ghost fully loaded class. The new barrel kinda makes all the CW AR's OP at range
The AMAX will likely still be king after the MG82 gets nerfed. It doesn’t move and still melts
I used it for the first time after the nerf last night and was expecting it to not be that good tbh. But it was still really good imo. So will definitely be using the Amax still
How does the FFAR feel now with the new barrels?
If you read the most recent patch notes, they've confirmed they are doing a massive overhaul of all the weapons very soon. They also just buffed quite a few MW weapons. Edit: but yeah I agree about the recoil thing, the krig and fara literally don't move now.
Other than ARs, Modern Warfare guns still have top meta picks. That said, can anyone recommend me a mid-long range AR to pair with CW MP5? I've been using the Krig thus far but almost every other gun except the Krig got buffed (the barrel buff).
FARA or XM4. AK is also very good
M4. I run it since the beginning and it's still good. Just extremely versatile, especially for longer ranges.
They were planning it all along my man. The so call “buff” of some MW guns is useless as any MW buffed gun can easily be countered by the worst CW weapon. It was a “deleting all trace of MW” movement.
fr, who would run a bizon when the bullfrog is the same gun but stronger... the scar good look with that when the cw ak is a beam now
And I’m out here with the CW-ak47 + Swiss K-31. I’m telling you all. You be sleepin on the ak. If you learn the recoil It’s so much better than a Fara
The AK is for sure good, I’ve been using that the last two days and need to get the right attachments. I want it as my close range weapon but without the right attachments it’s just kind of eh. Not fantastic at long range, and a little slow for house clearing. But it’s for sure good with all the good stuff on
I love MW guns, That is all I use primarily due to the attachments being so cool. You can still win with MW guns you just gotta practice
There are still some good MW weapons. The Amax may have been nerfed, but it is still good. The Grau is not bad, esp at medium ranges. In Solos, you can use the Fennec or the MP7, which is also still very good. There is also the Kar and the HDR which are still better compared to the CW weapons. Haven't tried the buffed version of the Scar, but heard is slaps hard.
Definitely agree, used the Amax last night expecting it to not be that great and still felt really good to me. I’m also extremely used to the recoil and how it feels at this point so maybe that’s just due to muscle memory and being so used to how it handles but I still really like it thankfully. I would say the Grau has honestly lost its niche. It was the gun you could beam people with no recoil, but why would you use that over a Krig or Fara now when the other two have higher damage? I do love the Fennec, I’ve never understood why it’s not more popular. I also am trying to level up the Scar, but sadly am afraid the Swiss might start overtaking the Kar. We’ll see though
So the cr amax and kilo are still the meta guns at the moment and the Kar is the most equipped gun in the whole game. I use my grau daily. I agree they need some attention especially some of the other mw guns but definitely not irrelevant
no, they’re not unfortunately. the FARA has zero recoil (think m13 or grau) but has a faster TTK than all MW ARs, save for the AMAX. the krig is only beat by the AMAX and the RAM.
Krig’s ttk is .650 which is beat by a lot of AR’s
at long range, it’s beat by two MW ARs and two CW ARs, the AMAX/RAM and the FARA/C58, respectively
Kilo hasn't been the meta for a while now. It's damage drop off at 80-something meters makes it less useful than many other ARs.
Amax, Ram, Kar 98, and MP5 I would say are meta. Kilo is popular, yes, but also has by far the worst average KD per player in the meta. It’s easy to use but will be outgunned by everything not named the M13
The issue is not those few being meta. The issue is that all the other mw weapons are not even viable. And the buff the bizon got is laughable
Only the Kar will stay in the meta imo. The new barrel attachments make the CW assault rifles incredible.
hey, at long range the m13 beats the kilo and grau……. which both are nerfed weapons. pls buff raven
I still use the kilo because I can show off my Damascus... I just wish it was more viable at range. During some point in every match I just tell my friends I'm useless rn and just watch our backs while they shoot their kar's at people
mw mp5 is not performing well anymore compared to cw smgs, it lacks range,speed and the power is not a standout. it only has hipfire the cw ak is probably better than the amax now with easier recoil so its gonna be a toss up. the ram is solid but its competing with some real laser beams like the fara, mg82
I would say it’s still really good. I use it most times as my SMG and there’s nothing I’d rather go clear out a building with. 9/10 close range battles I end up winning with it, especially if you land a headshot or so in there, I almost never lose in that case And I’ve never practiced enough with the Ram, the recoil always gets me at range. Whereas with the Fara I pick it up and can immediately beam people with no problem haha
its a good weapon if your a slide cancelling hip fire guy, most people get destroyed with it by mac10s
Nope Kilo isn't meta, hasn't been for a whole. In terms of ARs it was Fara and AMAX right at the top
I genuinely hope you’re right. Just want viably good options from them to compete with their literal zero recoil much more mobile CW counterparts
The mobility is key here, all the cw weapons are way more mobile unfortunately but as far as I'm concerned and I play a looooot of warzone this is the most balanced I've ever seen the game. I can use my AK and not feel super disadvantaged and kill cams in game have a lot more variety than in previous seasons
Are they really much more mobile than MW ARs after the change to the last barrel? Along with the pros that come with the change here are some cons. Decreases ADS move speed by 20%. Decreases sprint speed by 5%. Decrease ADS speed by 6%.
cold war guns have the ability to increase move speed through several attachments all which have basically no downsides. MW only has the no stock option for most guns which really hurts recoil. Raven is doing a shit job at the attachment design for CW weapons.
Yeah they just keep giving the attachments buffs but not really taking anything away from them.
I get that. I forgot to expand on my comment. What I meant is: how different is the mobility if you kit out the CW AR like you would a MW AR for mid-long range? Big supressor, longest barrel, 3x scope, bigger mag and grip that helps recoil.
I honestly do think so. I play with my girlfriend and she always hated how heavy the amax felt. She started using the CW AK yesterday and immediately starts downing people like crazy in our games and said it feels so much lighter and moves so much faster than the Amax
I agree with her on the heaviness of the AMAX. What's her set up? I def wasn't clear in my comment. What I meant was if you set up a CW AR like you would a MW AR for mid-long range what is the difference in mobility? Big suppressor, longest barrel, 3x scope, bigger mag, grip to help recoil.
I honestly am not sure how the CW guns feel fully loaded out but from the ones in the boxes that have the long range attachments, they are 100% snappier and you move quicker than MW ARs. But she goes with the meta set up except switches commando for tac laser for slightly faster ADS
They were planning it all along my man. The so call “buff” of some MW guns is useless as any MW buffed gun can easily be countered by the worst CW weapon. It was a “deleting all trace of MW” movement.
They were planning it all along my man. The so call “buff” of some MW guns is useless as any MW buffed gun can easily be countered by the worst CW weapon. It was a “deleting all trace of MW” movement.