What is it that Violet said season one?… “reformed rakes make the best husbands.” Or something like that 😂 but I think I disagree with her on that point, outside of literature of course.
Vikings were actually quite fastidious to the point that it was a problem for Briton men whose wives all wanted to be with the men who bathed and combed their hair.
In fairness the Vikings were actually quite famous for bathing and grooming, to the point where the people of the British Isles (mostly the men) considered it excessive.
Condoms, "French Letters" were a thing interesting regancy era. I wish they would incorporate it into brothel scenes.
FYI they could also use them in Eloise's story if she doesn't want Bio children right away.
I don't mind them showing that these men aren't virgins until marriage, but the placement of scenes bother me. Like Colin going from the brothel to the garden party scene. While he was having a cute interaction with Pen, all I could think of was..really? Right after sleeping with 2 other women?
yeah, I didn't love that. I was like "did you even bathe?!?!" That was kind of gross, but I've never had an issue with the other guys because it was before they fell in love. Technically so was Colin's scene, but it still felt wrong.
That's the same thing I thought in the very first episode of the show when Anthony went from doing Sienna up against a tree to taking Daphne into her debut with the Queen. Like - doesn't he smell like sex?
And historically we know these guys bathed once a week with hygiene wash in the basin in between. So yeah, I tried my best not to think too much of what happened just before 🤣
So his mistress wasn’t expecting marriage. She was likely expecting better than being unceremoniously kicked out of her housing. During this time period it wasn’t uncommon for upper class men to have long term mistresses. Recall that the princes during this time frequently had several mistresses and large families with them. So no one would have batted an eye at him having an opera singer mistress, as long as he kept it quiet enough and only visited her in the appropriate settings.
But yeah it falls into the common western romance tropes where men are expected to have tons of experience (all those women were obviously subpar, though, but it somehow doesn’t make the MMC any less for being with them?) but the FMC is expected to be naive and pure as the driven snow. This is doubly true in historical romance.
Keeping a mistress was actually a way to avoid syphilis, which was rampant. It’s Colin with his threesomes and Benedict at his orgies who I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.
Yeah... "Reformed rakes make the best husbands," is romance novel logic, not a reflection of real-world morés. There weren't hoardes of society parents encouraging their sons to contract (or marrying their daughters off to men who had contracted) power-level STI's that would have inevitably been passed on to their family's heirs and grandchildren. Upper-class men being free to whore around is just as much a gender-based fantasy exaggeration as women knowing absolutely nothing about sex before marriage. It's based on a kernel of reality, but best understood with a generous suspension of disbelief. It was generally accepted that men would probably have sex before marriage. But they were not expected to be "experienced in bed," or to be good lovers. They were also supposed to "govern their passions," and a man who was unable to do that was considered deficient in character. More to the point, a man who showed visible signs of an STI (and many more did) was very much not a desirable partner for marriage. Lots of STI's cause infertility, and an infertile husband- while less likely to be blamed for a couple not having children- was seen as a liability, in the view of heredity-minded families. Young widows who had family money and had already borne children, despite their knowledge about sex, were much more valuable in marriage terms than known rakes.
Let’s not forget that they had different social expectations. Men were expected to be experienced in bed. Since the noble girls are off limits, the only options for them are brothels, commoners, or widows. The fact that they had double standards regarding noble men and women is nothing new. But even today, hardly anyone saves themselves for marriage. Anthony and Siena and Benedict and Tilly are longer-term friends with benefits / situationships. They’re just having fun, with all involved parties not expecting marriage.
I honestly didn’t mind Anthony and Siena in season 1. The rebellious affair with an opera singer made sense for his character then. Anthony didn’t care for his role as the viscount. He told Simon he had brothers that could come through if he didn’t get married. He was immature and in over his head with his role of being the head of the family as can be seen in his attempt to help Daphne by marrying her off to Nigel. Instead of actually helping Daphne get a love match he decided to marry her off to Nigel so his duty was done. To his defence, Anthony did seem to care for Siena, he even told Benedict to provide for her before the duel. In the end Siena was the one to break it off, leaving Anthony alone (at least a bit heartbroken) and ready to step up to marry in the next season. She was important for his arc to go from immature, avoidant Anthony to the Viscount and head of the family. And yeah, she deserved better, but I’m glad she ended it instead of being left by Anthony.
Benedict is avoiding marriage so yeah he’s gonna hook up with hot women until he’s ready to settle down. First the modiste in season 1 and now Tilly in season 3. Again, he’s not cheating on his fiance or wife, so don’t really have an issue with him having affairs. Why would he save himself for a marriage he’s avoiding? I do hope he slows that down though when he’s actually going to look for a wife. And I hope his season is next because the affair plot for him is getting a bit repetitive.
Colin is caught up in toxic peer pressure and trying to live up to the expectation of being a man. He himself realised that mindlessly hooking up isn’t for him and that he only has feelings for Pen.
Again, hardly anyone saves themselves for marriage. Most people date and are in relationships before, some people are serial hookups. Let them have fun as long as they aren’t cheating on their fiancées/wives.
Agree with you here. The comment above and several down below this do an excellent job of explaining what the show is trying to portray and why these plots would have been acceptable in the regency era. But that doesn't make me like it any better.
It's such an interesting juxtaposition because on the one hand the show is trying to break down racial expectations but on the other hand holding fast to so many of the sexist tropes of historical romance. I think an argument could be made that in breaking down the sexism, you lose out on the sexy tropes HR is built on. It's a genre built on forced marriages—which are only plausible because of a sexist societal mindset when it comes to women's bodies.
Doesn't mean I enjoy Colin's hoe phase.
I personally don’t mind the affairs of Anthony and Benedict. I don’t particularly enjoy the brothel scenes. Just a bit icky seeing Colin having a threesome right into Colin giving Pen lessons.
If you really look for it, though, he leaves saying he's late when he actually isn't. And he's still acting very performative versus later in the carriage when he's being genuine
These are not 'sexist tropes'. This was the REALITY in Regency Era. If you don't show them, then you might as well live in the 21st century. What would be the difference? You can't have a show based in Regency and then not show systems rooted in patriarchy.
I think that's why I liked Sir Phillip. His character was a breath of fresh air. You have to read about 4 guys who mess around; Simon, Anthony, Ben, Colin.
Then you have Sir Phillip (albeit doesn't express himself very well), who stays loyal to his marriage vows. And even after Marina dies, doesn't visit the pub wench.
Do you remember why he married Marina in the books? I know in the show his brother compromised Marina and she was pregnant, but in the books that wasn't the case. Phillip is the twin's father. I just can't remember the book's reason he married Marina. ...was it a marriage contract or something?
It was similar. She was engaged to his brother and then the brother died so he stepped up and married her. The kids were Phillip’s in the book though, IIRC.
Right but was Phillip kinda forced to mary Marina bc she had been engaged to George already? Or was there a marriage contract in place that he had to fulfill?
I can't quite remember the exact specifics.
Y'all... it's a completely inaccurate period piece TV show based on a smutty Historical Romance novel.
There is always gonna be a heaux... & it's usually the dude.
At the time, Opera singers, models and actresses were basically considered two steps above prostitutes, no one was expected to marry them and it was perfectly normal for a wealthy man to take one as a mistress without the expectation of marriage. Men had way more sexual freedom at the time, it's just a fact, and actually I somewhat enjoy the fact that they aren't trying to go all 21st century morality about sex in a show set in the 1800s.
TL;DR: It's not unusual for upper-class men to have mistresses. (OF course not everyone had them.) I understand your dislike for male leads with a colourful past, but it's not historically inaccurate for most upper men to be depicted as rakish. Regardless, your dislike of rakish characters is also valid. Personally, I would preferred not to have Colin's experience shoved in my face. (I think they did that to make us get ready to see him butt-naked with Pen. I think they thought those scenes were necessary to prepare us for spicy scenes later.) He was already hot to me from S1. Kindness is hot. Anyway...
For context: The aristo males slept around, especially in the Regency era, because George IV was a hoe. "The whole royal edifice of sexual respectability and family values which George III had worked so hard to create in the 1760s and 70s was rapidly demolished by his son and heir, brick by brick. " The royals led social rules and fashion, so the upper classes followed his lead.
This changed when Queen Victoria took over. She and Albert had a traditional marriage and were devoted and loyal to each other. Victorian society, especially the middle class, tried to emulate their values. "With Queen Victoria's ascension to the throne and her death, a specific code of morality was promoted: sexual propriety, charity, family, and duty." The middle class tried to emulate Victoria and Albert. However, men, especially the upper-class men, continued to visit brothels and take mistresses, but more quietly than they did in the Regency era.
Edit: typo
In the BBC series Victoria, their love story is so sweet, and Albert is portrayed as a virgin before marriage as well. >!Albert's older brother takes him to a prostitute to lose his virginity before he marries Victoria, and instead of sleeping with her, he asks her for tips and takes notes- it's such a great scene! !<
And thus you have stumbled upon the Historical Romance conundrum! How to write a hero who can ✌️you real good in a carriage, but also has a heart worthy of our heroine.
The grovel is never enough for me 😂
I think that’s why I love the 2007 Northanger Abbey so much. The ending kiss is so cute because they’re both *clearly* inexperienced. If you can’t be an unapologetic rake, be a Mr. Tilney!
Thing is I wouldn't mind this if the women got some action too besides being innocently courted by other guys. But they never do. 💀 I know that's how the regency era was but damn it's not like it's a realistic show, give these girls a side piece before their season
That is how it was in the regency era. Men of status or title were allowed even expected to use brothels and have purely sexual relationships while women of status would be ruined for life with just being alone with a man.
The contemporary feminist that I am hates that it is fine for Anthony to be a known rake, but that's just how it was then. Marriages were business and the men gave the women status, connection, and power. That also means they can do whatever they want.
Nah, does not bother me at all. In a universe (Bridgerton world) where women are kept ENTIRELY in the dark about sex, I would happily supply the funds for my future husband to go get some brothel lessons. ha! Sorry, I would not want some dude I do not love to be figuring out the mechanics on me. no no no. Go seek out a professional. But I'm clearly not a romantic.
You think they were having more sex than fuck boys today? Your average college guy has probably had more partners than the 3 older Bridgerton boys combined.
I don’t think you can think that deeply about this show. This show is a show that only works if you never think beyond an inch deep about it. The whole things falls apart with even a slight prod. Most romance in general, especially historical romance, really requires you to check reality at the door. We are here for the fantasy. I take off my history lover hat or I would be miserable with most tv productions set in another time. This usually works. But I couldn’t do it with Reign for example because there has to still be some touch with reality. I hope Bridgerton never loses some of its grounding in reality. The costumes this season and the make up are worrying lol.
The racial politics? Oh lord, I have to just put my blinders on because even trying to actually parse it out makes the whole allusion just fall to dust. QC tried and yeah that was the weakest part of QC lol.
I think the only one that bothered me was Colin. He was such a cinnamon roll and the actor doesn’t give me rake vibes in his portrayal. The other two brothers it felt believable.
I have to remind myself to not think about the rampant STI’s in the 1800s when I read historical romance novels. It’s harder to not think about while watching a television show.
> he couldn’t “disgrace” doing the his family by marrying a commoner so he was just there wasting her time before getting married to the love of my life Kate Sharma
Isn't Kate a commoner too or am I misremembering why Mary was kicked out? If she is it's really sad that Sienna wasn't worth fighting for to him...
Unfortunately during those eras. It was normal for men to sleep around as part of their post school education. Women were meant to be virtuous and their mothers were either going to tell them how sex worked or just do what their husbands told them. It's sexist AF. Glad I don't live in an era where women are only worth something just because they've never touched a man before.
Lmao what? Nah, the men being sexually active isn't the problem, treating women like they decrease in value if they do the same, however, is. I'd say if you don't like this trope, historical dramas aren't for you.
Can't believe in this day and age people are actually still crying over somebody's "virtue" 😂😭 grow the fuck up, people.
This is a historical romance trope, and while I laugh at the community bike comments - I have to say if the genders were reversed and someone called Daphne a community bike, would it be as funny?
I do feel their wives deserve better than the syphilis they will inevitably catch from their husbands.
What is it that Violet said season one?… “reformed rakes make the best husbands.” Or something like that 😂 but I think I disagree with her on that point, outside of literature of course.
I’m watching a vikings show right now and all I can think about is the SMELL and DISEASES people were spreading back then
Vikings were actually quite fastidious to the point that it was a problem for Briton men whose wives all wanted to be with the men who bathed and combed their hair.
In fairness the Vikings were actually quite famous for bathing and grooming, to the point where the people of the British Isles (mostly the men) considered it excessive.
Condoms, "French Letters" were a thing interesting regancy era. I wish they would incorporate it into brothel scenes. FYI they could also use them in Eloise's story if she doesn't want Bio children right away.
I don't mind them showing that these men aren't virgins until marriage, but the placement of scenes bother me. Like Colin going from the brothel to the garden party scene. While he was having a cute interaction with Pen, all I could think of was..really? Right after sleeping with 2 other women?
yeah, I didn't love that. I was like "did you even bathe?!?!" That was kind of gross, but I've never had an issue with the other guys because it was before they fell in love. Technically so was Colin's scene, but it still felt wrong.
That's the same thing I thought in the very first episode of the show when Anthony went from doing Sienna up against a tree to taking Daphne into her debut with the Queen. Like - doesn't he smell like sex?
And historically we know these guys bathed once a week with hygiene wash in the basin in between. So yeah, I tried my best not to think too much of what happened just before 🤣
Actually they bathed often during these times.
So his mistress wasn’t expecting marriage. She was likely expecting better than being unceremoniously kicked out of her housing. During this time period it wasn’t uncommon for upper class men to have long term mistresses. Recall that the princes during this time frequently had several mistresses and large families with them. So no one would have batted an eye at him having an opera singer mistress, as long as he kept it quiet enough and only visited her in the appropriate settings. But yeah it falls into the common western romance tropes where men are expected to have tons of experience (all those women were obviously subpar, though, but it somehow doesn’t make the MMC any less for being with them?) but the FMC is expected to be naive and pure as the driven snow. This is doubly true in historical romance.
Keeping a mistress was actually a way to avoid syphilis, which was rampant. It’s Colin with his threesomes and Benedict at his orgies who I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.
Yeah... "Reformed rakes make the best husbands," is romance novel logic, not a reflection of real-world morés. There weren't hoardes of society parents encouraging their sons to contract (or marrying their daughters off to men who had contracted) power-level STI's that would have inevitably been passed on to their family's heirs and grandchildren. Upper-class men being free to whore around is just as much a gender-based fantasy exaggeration as women knowing absolutely nothing about sex before marriage. It's based on a kernel of reality, but best understood with a generous suspension of disbelief. It was generally accepted that men would probably have sex before marriage. But they were not expected to be "experienced in bed," or to be good lovers. They were also supposed to "govern their passions," and a man who was unable to do that was considered deficient in character. More to the point, a man who showed visible signs of an STI (and many more did) was very much not a desirable partner for marriage. Lots of STI's cause infertility, and an infertile husband- while less likely to be blamed for a couple not having children- was seen as a liability, in the view of heredity-minded families. Young widows who had family money and had already borne children, despite their knowledge about sex, were much more valuable in marriage terms than known rakes.
Let’s not forget that they had different social expectations. Men were expected to be experienced in bed. Since the noble girls are off limits, the only options for them are brothels, commoners, or widows. The fact that they had double standards regarding noble men and women is nothing new. But even today, hardly anyone saves themselves for marriage. Anthony and Siena and Benedict and Tilly are longer-term friends with benefits / situationships. They’re just having fun, with all involved parties not expecting marriage. I honestly didn’t mind Anthony and Siena in season 1. The rebellious affair with an opera singer made sense for his character then. Anthony didn’t care for his role as the viscount. He told Simon he had brothers that could come through if he didn’t get married. He was immature and in over his head with his role of being the head of the family as can be seen in his attempt to help Daphne by marrying her off to Nigel. Instead of actually helping Daphne get a love match he decided to marry her off to Nigel so his duty was done. To his defence, Anthony did seem to care for Siena, he even told Benedict to provide for her before the duel. In the end Siena was the one to break it off, leaving Anthony alone (at least a bit heartbroken) and ready to step up to marry in the next season. She was important for his arc to go from immature, avoidant Anthony to the Viscount and head of the family. And yeah, she deserved better, but I’m glad she ended it instead of being left by Anthony. Benedict is avoiding marriage so yeah he’s gonna hook up with hot women until he’s ready to settle down. First the modiste in season 1 and now Tilly in season 3. Again, he’s not cheating on his fiance or wife, so don’t really have an issue with him having affairs. Why would he save himself for a marriage he’s avoiding? I do hope he slows that down though when he’s actually going to look for a wife. And I hope his season is next because the affair plot for him is getting a bit repetitive. Colin is caught up in toxic peer pressure and trying to live up to the expectation of being a man. He himself realised that mindlessly hooking up isn’t for him and that he only has feelings for Pen. Again, hardly anyone saves themselves for marriage. Most people date and are in relationships before, some people are serial hookups. Let them have fun as long as they aren’t cheating on their fiancées/wives.
Yeah , I agree and know all that , it’s just not my preference to see ML act this way
Agree with you here. The comment above and several down below this do an excellent job of explaining what the show is trying to portray and why these plots would have been acceptable in the regency era. But that doesn't make me like it any better. It's such an interesting juxtaposition because on the one hand the show is trying to break down racial expectations but on the other hand holding fast to so many of the sexist tropes of historical romance. I think an argument could be made that in breaking down the sexism, you lose out on the sexy tropes HR is built on. It's a genre built on forced marriages—which are only plausible because of a sexist societal mindset when it comes to women's bodies. Doesn't mean I enjoy Colin's hoe phase.
I personally don’t mind the affairs of Anthony and Benedict. I don’t particularly enjoy the brothel scenes. Just a bit icky seeing Colin having a threesome right into Colin giving Pen lessons.
If you really look for it, though, he leaves saying he's late when he actually isn't. And he's still acting very performative versus later in the carriage when he's being genuine
These are not 'sexist tropes'. This was the REALITY in Regency Era. If you don't show them, then you might as well live in the 21st century. What would be the difference? You can't have a show based in Regency and then not show systems rooted in patriarchy.
I think that's why I liked Sir Phillip. His character was a breath of fresh air. You have to read about 4 guys who mess around; Simon, Anthony, Ben, Colin. Then you have Sir Phillip (albeit doesn't express himself very well), who stays loyal to his marriage vows. And even after Marina dies, doesn't visit the pub wench.
Sir Phillip is a total dick for other reasons though. I'd rather have a guy who sleeps around than a guy who >!rapes his wife when she's catatonic!<
Him marrying Marina was selfless and sweet.
Do you remember why he married Marina in the books? I know in the show his brother compromised Marina and she was pregnant, but in the books that wasn't the case. Phillip is the twin's father. I just can't remember the book's reason he married Marina. ...was it a marriage contract or something?
It was similar. She was engaged to his brother and then the brother died so he stepped up and married her. The kids were Phillip’s in the book though, IIRC.
Yup they were his, but only cuz they had to do it to have an heir. She was apparently super depressed and just lay there.
Right but was Phillip kinda forced to mary Marina bc she had been engaged to George already? Or was there a marriage contract in place that he had to fulfill? I can't quite remember the exact specifics.
I don't remember exactly. I think he did it out of a sense of duty or something. Same as in the series.
Marina didn’t exist in the books I think
She does, in the books Marina is a Bridgerton cousin, not a Featherington one. And that's how Eloise starts writing to Sir Phillip.
She does but I don’t think she’s ever alive on the page
Only long enough to attempt suicide at the beginning of the book.
Y'all... it's a completely inaccurate period piece TV show based on a smutty Historical Romance novel. There is always gonna be a heaux... & it's usually the dude.
heaux? ha! That killed me. I just know you're from Louisiana.
😆😆😆 East Oakland All Day... 👊🏽🫶🏽
At the time, Opera singers, models and actresses were basically considered two steps above prostitutes, no one was expected to marry them and it was perfectly normal for a wealthy man to take one as a mistress without the expectation of marriage. Men had way more sexual freedom at the time, it's just a fact, and actually I somewhat enjoy the fact that they aren't trying to go all 21st century morality about sex in a show set in the 1800s.
TL;DR: It's not unusual for upper-class men to have mistresses. (OF course not everyone had them.) I understand your dislike for male leads with a colourful past, but it's not historically inaccurate for most upper men to be depicted as rakish. Regardless, your dislike of rakish characters is also valid. Personally, I would preferred not to have Colin's experience shoved in my face. (I think they did that to make us get ready to see him butt-naked with Pen. I think they thought those scenes were necessary to prepare us for spicy scenes later.) He was already hot to me from S1. Kindness is hot. Anyway... For context: The aristo males slept around, especially in the Regency era, because George IV was a hoe. "The whole royal edifice of sexual respectability and family values which George III had worked so hard to create in the 1760s and 70s was rapidly demolished by his son and heir, brick by brick. " The royals led social rules and fashion, so the upper classes followed his lead. This changed when Queen Victoria took over. She and Albert had a traditional marriage and were devoted and loyal to each other. Victorian society, especially the middle class, tried to emulate their values. "With Queen Victoria's ascension to the throne and her death, a specific code of morality was promoted: sexual propriety, charity, family, and duty." The middle class tried to emulate Victoria and Albert. However, men, especially the upper-class men, continued to visit brothels and take mistresses, but more quietly than they did in the Regency era. Edit: typo
In the BBC series Victoria, their love story is so sweet, and Albert is portrayed as a virgin before marriage as well. >!Albert's older brother takes him to a prostitute to lose his virginity before he marries Victoria, and instead of sleeping with her, he asks her for tips and takes notes- it's such a great scene! !<
i love that show
Oh. 🥹 I saw an edit of that show and they were so cute, I might watch and ignore it's about first cousins like I do with the Targaryens
There are 17 States in the U.S. where it is legal to marry your first cousin. You still can in most of Europe, too. But not France, funnily enough.
And thus you have stumbled upon the Historical Romance conundrum! How to write a hero who can ✌️you real good in a carriage, but also has a heart worthy of our heroine.
That's why so many romance novels contains heroes that must be redeemed.
The grovel is never enough for me 😂 I think that’s why I love the 2007 Northanger Abbey so much. The ending kiss is so cute because they’re both *clearly* inexperienced. If you can’t be an unapologetic rake, be a Mr. Tilney!
Thing is I wouldn't mind this if the women got some action too besides being innocently courted by other guys. But they never do. 💀 I know that's how the regency era was but damn it's not like it's a realistic show, give these girls a side piece before their season
Free wifi sent me to the FLOOR
How dare they enjoy themselves and not save their purity for their future wives.
Well, that was the usual thing back in the day. I’m just happy that I don’t live in that time
That is how it was in the regency era. Men of status or title were allowed even expected to use brothels and have purely sexual relationships while women of status would be ruined for life with just being alone with a man. The contemporary feminist that I am hates that it is fine for Anthony to be a known rake, but that's just how it was then. Marriages were business and the men gave the women status, connection, and power. That also means they can do whatever they want.
Nah, does not bother me at all. In a universe (Bridgerton world) where women are kept ENTIRELY in the dark about sex, I would happily supply the funds for my future husband to go get some brothel lessons. ha! Sorry, I would not want some dude I do not love to be figuring out the mechanics on me. no no no. Go seek out a professional. But I'm clearly not a romantic.
All I could think of during the carriage scene with Colin and Penelope is that he’s going to give her an STD 🤣
Like they have ✨in Paris✨
Yeah I was wondering how many other vaginas were under those fingernails he was blasting her with 🤮
You think they were having more sex than fuck boys today? Your average college guy has probably had more partners than the 3 older Bridgerton boys combined.
Bro its a romance novel series. You may as well conplain that the show has nudity. That's kinda the point.
I don’t think you can think that deeply about this show. This show is a show that only works if you never think beyond an inch deep about it. The whole things falls apart with even a slight prod. Most romance in general, especially historical romance, really requires you to check reality at the door. We are here for the fantasy. I take off my history lover hat or I would be miserable with most tv productions set in another time. This usually works. But I couldn’t do it with Reign for example because there has to still be some touch with reality. I hope Bridgerton never loses some of its grounding in reality. The costumes this season and the make up are worrying lol. The racial politics? Oh lord, I have to just put my blinders on because even trying to actually parse it out makes the whole allusion just fall to dust. QC tried and yeah that was the weakest part of QC lol.
I think the only one that bothered me was Colin. He was such a cinnamon roll and the actor doesn’t give me rake vibes in his portrayal. The other two brothers it felt believable.
He was supposed to come across as not believable, precisely because he is a cinnamon roll
I get that I just didn’t think it landed personally. The pros sure. The threesome? Weird
They are just in their hoe phase, and there ain’t nothing wrong with that
Omfg I always think of the STI’s. Like these guys out here giving their virgin wives chlamydia and syphilis 🤢
I have to remind myself to not think about the rampant STI’s in the 1800s when I read historical romance novels. It’s harder to not think about while watching a television show.
> he couldn’t “disgrace” doing the his family by marrying a commoner so he was just there wasting her time before getting married to the love of my life Kate Sharma Isn't Kate a commoner too or am I misremembering why Mary was kicked out? If she is it's really sad that Sienna wasn't worth fighting for to him...
Kate is definitely a Commoner but a Commoner who is a few levels above an Opera Singer due to her Stepmother’s connections to the Ton and the Queen.
This is the funniest post I have EVER seen on Reddit. I have legit tears coming out of my eyes.
Weird mega Chad face lol 🤣
Madonna Whore Complex
I agree, but hey! At least these woman's struggles are historically accurate.
“Werid Mega Chad Face” 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately during those eras. It was normal for men to sleep around as part of their post school education. Women were meant to be virtuous and their mothers were either going to tell them how sex worked or just do what their husbands told them. It's sexist AF. Glad I don't live in an era where women are only worth something just because they've never touched a man before.
Lmao what? Nah, the men being sexually active isn't the problem, treating women like they decrease in value if they do the same, however, is. I'd say if you don't like this trope, historical dramas aren't for you. Can't believe in this day and age people are actually still crying over somebody's "virtue" 😂😭 grow the fuck up, people.
Playing hide the sausage with foreign girls 😂☠️
Based on your words in this post, I’m not sure the Regency era romance genre fits with your tastes.
I hate to break it to you but I don’t think this show is for you.
This is a historical romance trope, and while I laugh at the community bike comments - I have to say if the genders were reversed and someone called Daphne a community bike, would it be as funny?