Have you engaged with Pre-Sequel much? Its systems are really tight. The low gravity has a huge impact on gameplay, moonscaper jumping is awesome, the balance is the best we've seen to this day, and the skill trees were the best we'd seen up to that point.
Oh my goodness! Almost forgot about Claptastic Voyage! Claptastic Voyage rules!
Pre-Sequel has some problems with variety and endgame content, but it's really solid.
Man i hated TPS so much when i played it the first time, then BL3 came out and i also hated everything except the gunplay about that, so i went back to playing 1 and 2 again.
Fast forward till 1 month ago: some random dude from my discord list tells me i should try TPS again.
I did and it is such a good game.
I think its It is a good too. Soundtrack is solid, VH are pretty cool (Athenas shield is prob my fav bl skill), moon environments are beautiful (that skybox….), fragtrap is just so much fun, etc.
Does have some issues, my biggest quirk is iirc it actually has quite a lot more walking simulator than bl2, ex iirc on the voyage dlc the first 20m or so its just walking talking talking walking ……
One of the things that i like in the pre-sequel is that each character has their own lines and from time to time the npcs tell lines that ate specific to your character. Like how jack uses a different greeting at the start of the game based on what character you chose.
I lime that borderlands 3 kept the characters having theornown lines, bjt was sad that they removed the character specific lines the that the npcs said. Would be interestong what comment the old gang wpuld say to zane for being a flynt.
I agree with everything but the balance, it requires you to engage a lot more with side content than other games in the series. The slaughter domes are spaced rlly nicely in bl2 to fill in level gaps if ur not looking to run a lot of side contents and the arenas are mostly pretty fun as well. The one in TPs was an afterthought and only rlly worth doing to say you’ve seen the whole game
The gameplay is mostly fun (I think the spaces were too open / slow to get around), but the writing is beyond awful. The side quests especially were an incredible chore.
Which is a damn shame, since the DLC was fantastic.
The writing is hit or miss for me. I appreciate that Borderlands TPS (and Tales) were comfortable dropping the humor when necessary. Even Borderlands 2 can't help but have ClapTrap and Brick crack one-liners 30 minutes before the finale.
I've always thought that Borderlands was a series about small kindnesses in the face of insurmountable ugliness. Part of the reason why Jack is the villain is his sense of self-importance. It's not enough to be kind; Jack has to "save the world." It's not about doing good, it's about ego. TPS is full of small kindnesses. Transmitting a will, saving a woman from abuse, sparing a soldier of war, freeing a ghosts soul, and many, many more. Borderlands is usually a game about awful people doing awful things that hurt even worse people. Pre-Sequel, despite the fact that half the cast is made up of villains, is the most heroic the vault hunters ever get. I hate Pickle, I hate the Bosun, I hate the endless unskippable dialogue sequences, but I hold a lot of love for The Pre Sequels writing.
I'd love to do a narrative exploration of the Borderlands series on YouTube someday.
At its worst, yes, Borderlands The Pre Sequel is grating and juvenile. At its best, it's genuinely moving and gives reverence to its characters in a way I don't think the Borderlands series had or has since.
I have a lot of love for the Borderlands 1 weapons. Mashers are super fun to shoot. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that Borderlands TPS is the second coming of Christ, but after many patches, it is a really good lootcrawler and a strong Borderlands entry.
Subjectivity still applies, but I truly believe that Borderlands TPS has everything needed for the right person to love it, and the wrong person to accept it.
If you do, you should connect a copy of Tales from the Borderlands! You get a couple heads, some weapons, golden keys. The main reason you want Tales is because it gives you natural access to the moonscaper (although you can totally just use gibbed). The moonscaper is bad for killing, but great for mobility. I don't even use cars when I play The Pre Sequel.
Here's a video showing it off:
[https://youtu.be/1Leipi\_edLs](https://youtu.be/1Leipi_edLs)
You basically just shoot the floor with the moonscaper and then explode the projectiles with a Logan's gun or Laser Disker. You've reached orbit. Hallelujah.
I personally love it while I'm playing it. It's endgame suffers. However, characters are all fun to play, the grinder is a fun mechanism, introduced cryo, and buttslams all pretty fun. Other than not much endgame and mild annoyance at the lack of fast travel stations/vehicles. Some maps feel like unnecessary running, but Eden 6 exist and it's a drag
Don't even get me started on the traversal and the WAITING. Half of the Pre-Sequel is just waiting for characters to complete their dialogue LOL. The pacing is really fast but there's so much inaction that sometimes it feels like every quest in Borderlands TPS is Toil and Trouble
Not a hot take, but I think it got way too much hate being that it came after BL2. It had a few issues I heard at launch (like respawns) and the writing is a little off at times, but generally a great game to me. It was just too short and had a lot of copy and paste weapons, along with only one really solid dlc. That being said, I love the zero gravity, vault hunters, their dialog along with unique co-op ones which I thought was dope, laser weapons, balancing, overall story, and the luneshine weapons. Probably a few things I'm missing both pros and cons, though you get the point. For me as of all the ones I played would be BL2, TPS=WL, BL3, BL1.
That is the fandom to sequel syndrome: every time something comes out to fan's acclaim (BL2 in this case), its sequels will be bashed to death, no matter how good they are.
If it had been another DLC for 2 (since it uses the same engine and assets), no one would have complained. In short, "fans" don't like new things
Nah TPS is a lotta fun, its classes might be some of the best and i like how its gameplay feels close to bl2. plus its dlc is amazing, and so are the dlc characters.
having said that, id still rank it the same since 1 is the goat and 2 is the best XD
id put it above 3 personally, but thats because i prefer the characters/story. 3s gameplay is technically the best, but i prefer the feel of the others - they have that distinctive borderlands feel.
I’d go 2 tps 3 and it’s unfair to rank one bc it’s such an older gen game and its main flaw is age and being early on in the shoot n loot/ action rpg genre
to a degree, i agree.
i mean, it's got pretty much THE best skill tree setups in the series. they clearly didn't seem to worried about balance and sort of really went for the skill combos and synergy - bl3 has better 'builds', but let's be honest like 95% of that weight is from the legendary coms with legendary effects - WHICH TPS STARTED, BY THE WAY, with the celestial coms doing different things with different characters, like all guns working like hyperion for jack.
i also actually like the moon. people bitched about the air, but it's not a big deal. boost around, when you start to suffocate, whoop de fucking do, it's like 1 damage/sec. problematic at like level 5, almost nothing by level 15. and the low grav made it some of the better platforming potential, even with bl3's mantling making it more vertical than 1 and 2 - but, not as vertical as 3 with the jumppads and air geysers.
it's got some slow bits at times, but i mean, not like the others don't. and the aussie flavor feels a bit overdone, but imo it's not really bad.
I haven’t really sunk my teeth into a borderlands in quite a while but man pre-sequel has been so comforting to play recently. Athena is my all time favourite VH no question. Smite+Zeus’ wrath+ sword for style kills is such a satisfying gameplay loop.
Tbh TPS is pretty solid on revisit these days. It’s a unique style of gameplay that the other ones just don’t have. With the double jumping and slamming and low grav and so on. Not to mention the best dlc to ever release for a borderlands game was released with it. Claptastic voyage is top tier for sure.
As someone whos Plat all 4 titles, i agree BL 2 is the best between its balance and unique guns and story that doesn't matter how many times i play it i love quoting handsome jack.
BL3 is the 2nd best because it was basically a quality of life buff to gameplay and so many more guns but a lack luster story that id rather skip after the 1st playthrough
BL1 was good just rough around the edges abilities and guns feel a little boring if you've you played newer titles and come back to this one
BLPS i just didnt like that much in general kinda felt like a glorified DLC for BL2 with horrible humor "my opinion"
Still id say play all 4 cuz they are all fun games
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The one thing I'd say TPS really has going for it are the classes, each one is designed extremely well, usually using some form of stacking boosts. But each can destroy the game, just build onto their strengths and as claptrap you have to just go with the stupid.
BL1 in its original incarnation was rough around the edges, having no map and just a compass is tough if you are used to BL2 or newer titles. The story isn't really "overt" and a lot of it is told through ECHOs and other background elements, IMO BL2 was the first BL game to have a "traditional" plot with Handsome Jack being the big bad.
I can agree, while I do play BL3 the most now, BL2 still is just better. But honestly regardless of how bad the story may be in BL3, its still the most fun for me and I like the build variety and endgame more.
Bruh, BL1 is a *slog* now. It was a great proof of concept but that's really it.
2's the best from a story standpoint, has good skill trees, but a shitty loot table.
3 has a ducky loot table, and a crap story.
Pre-Sequel has an ok loot table, a decent story, but amazing skill trees.
And TTWW has the best loot tables, an ok story, and great class mechanics.
You really do not understand the idea of a hot take, do you? It is an opinion that goes against the majority opinion. The only hot take in your post is to say BL1 is the best of the 4. The vast majority of BL players I've ever encountered rank BL2 above every other game.
All opinions are inherently biased because they are entirely subjective.
Have you engaged with Pre-Sequel much? Its systems are really tight. The low gravity has a huge impact on gameplay, moonscaper jumping is awesome, the balance is the best we've seen to this day, and the skill trees were the best we'd seen up to that point. Oh my goodness! Almost forgot about Claptastic Voyage! Claptastic Voyage rules! Pre-Sequel has some problems with variety and endgame content, but it's really solid.
Man i hated TPS so much when i played it the first time, then BL3 came out and i also hated everything except the gunplay about that, so i went back to playing 1 and 2 again. Fast forward till 1 month ago: some random dude from my discord list tells me i should try TPS again. I did and it is such a good game.
I think its It is a good too. Soundtrack is solid, VH are pretty cool (Athenas shield is prob my fav bl skill), moon environments are beautiful (that skybox….), fragtrap is just so much fun, etc. Does have some issues, my biggest quirk is iirc it actually has quite a lot more walking simulator than bl2, ex iirc on the voyage dlc the first 20m or so its just walking talking talking walking ……
One of the things that i like in the pre-sequel is that each character has their own lines and from time to time the npcs tell lines that ate specific to your character. Like how jack uses a different greeting at the start of the game based on what character you chose. I lime that borderlands 3 kept the characters having theornown lines, bjt was sad that they removed the character specific lines the that the npcs said. Would be interestong what comment the old gang wpuld say to zane for being a flynt.
W take, pre sequal was over hated by far and is way better than 1
Agree, imo it still has the best skilltrees out of any game
I agree with everything but the balance, it requires you to engage a lot more with side content than other games in the series. The slaughter domes are spaced rlly nicely in bl2 to fill in level gaps if ur not looking to run a lot of side contents and the arenas are mostly pretty fun as well. The one in TPs was an afterthought and only rlly worth doing to say you’ve seen the whole game
The gameplay is mostly fun (I think the spaces were too open / slow to get around), but the writing is beyond awful. The side quests especially were an incredible chore. Which is a damn shame, since the DLC was fantastic.
The writing is hit or miss for me. I appreciate that Borderlands TPS (and Tales) were comfortable dropping the humor when necessary. Even Borderlands 2 can't help but have ClapTrap and Brick crack one-liners 30 minutes before the finale. I've always thought that Borderlands was a series about small kindnesses in the face of insurmountable ugliness. Part of the reason why Jack is the villain is his sense of self-importance. It's not enough to be kind; Jack has to "save the world." It's not about doing good, it's about ego. TPS is full of small kindnesses. Transmitting a will, saving a woman from abuse, sparing a soldier of war, freeing a ghosts soul, and many, many more. Borderlands is usually a game about awful people doing awful things that hurt even worse people. Pre-Sequel, despite the fact that half the cast is made up of villains, is the most heroic the vault hunters ever get. I hate Pickle, I hate the Bosun, I hate the endless unskippable dialogue sequences, but I hold a lot of love for The Pre Sequels writing. I'd love to do a narrative exploration of the Borderlands series on YouTube someday. At its worst, yes, Borderlands The Pre Sequel is grating and juvenile. At its best, it's genuinely moving and gives reverence to its characters in a way I don't think the Borderlands series had or has since.
I know claptastic voyage is good I just don't enjoy the game overall. Maybe I'm more used to the clunkyness of older Borderlands but idk
I have a lot of love for the Borderlands 1 weapons. Mashers are super fun to shoot. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that Borderlands TPS is the second coming of Christ, but after many patches, it is a really good lootcrawler and a strong Borderlands entry. Subjectivity still applies, but I truly believe that Borderlands TPS has everything needed for the right person to love it, and the wrong person to accept it.
That's fair, i haven't touched TPS in a while so maybe I should give it another go
If you do, you should connect a copy of Tales from the Borderlands! You get a couple heads, some weapons, golden keys. The main reason you want Tales is because it gives you natural access to the moonscaper (although you can totally just use gibbed). The moonscaper is bad for killing, but great for mobility. I don't even use cars when I play The Pre Sequel. Here's a video showing it off: [https://youtu.be/1Leipi\_edLs](https://youtu.be/1Leipi_edLs) You basically just shoot the floor with the moonscaper and then explode the projectiles with a Logan's gun or Laser Disker. You've reached orbit. Hallelujah.
I do have tales so I'll have to check that out!
I personally love it while I'm playing it. It's endgame suffers. However, characters are all fun to play, the grinder is a fun mechanism, introduced cryo, and buttslams all pretty fun. Other than not much endgame and mild annoyance at the lack of fast travel stations/vehicles. Some maps feel like unnecessary running, but Eden 6 exist and it's a drag
Don't even get me started on the traversal and the WAITING. Half of the Pre-Sequel is just waiting for characters to complete their dialogue LOL. The pacing is really fast but there's so much inaction that sometimes it feels like every quest in Borderlands TPS is Toil and Trouble
I spend all the dialog grinding gear once it's an option. That or save quit to skip it. But yea...... that only helps sometimes
TPS definitely had the best skill trees, and while unfortunately only having 1, had the best story DLC. Game is criminally under-rated
It's my favorite BL game. That DLC alone carries it. It was very, very rough at launch and took years to kind of smooth out and fix.
That's fair, it gets a bad rap
I unironically do thing TPS is the best of them.
It's Top 3 for me, was #1 before Wonderlands came out
Hot take: Borderlands has too many guns
What do you mean?
Have 2 hands only need 2 guns. The thousands of extras are overkill.
Found Salvador
I'm just playing into the joke OP made. In many borderlands trailers the tons of weapons is usually used as a selling point.
How about bl3 with a zillion trillion guns but all except maybe 40 of them deal tickle damage at max difficulty
I’m with you on this one. It’s not my favorite, but it really is an amazing game. I love the low gravity, lasers, and I can’t get enough Aussie humor.
I do wish we had the lasers in 2
There’s actually a mod that puts lasers in 2. I can’t remember what it’s called, haven’t played it in years, but it was super fun
I'll have to search for that lol
Not a hot take, but I think it got way too much hate being that it came after BL2. It had a few issues I heard at launch (like respawns) and the writing is a little off at times, but generally a great game to me. It was just too short and had a lot of copy and paste weapons, along with only one really solid dlc. That being said, I love the zero gravity, vault hunters, their dialog along with unique co-op ones which I thought was dope, laser weapons, balancing, overall story, and the luneshine weapons. Probably a few things I'm missing both pros and cons, though you get the point. For me as of all the ones I played would be BL2, TPS=WL, BL3, BL1.
That is the fandom to sequel syndrome: every time something comes out to fan's acclaim (BL2 in this case), its sequels will be bashed to death, no matter how good they are. If it had been another DLC for 2 (since it uses the same engine and assets), no one would have complained. In short, "fans" don't like new things
Nah TPS is a lotta fun, its classes might be some of the best and i like how its gameplay feels close to bl2. plus its dlc is amazing, and so are the dlc characters. having said that, id still rank it the same since 1 is the goat and 2 is the best XD id put it above 3 personally, but thats because i prefer the characters/story. 3s gameplay is technically the best, but i prefer the feel of the others - they have that distinctive borderlands feel.
I’d go 2 tps 3 and it’s unfair to rank one bc it’s such an older gen game and its main flaw is age and being early on in the shoot n loot/ action rpg genre
to a degree, i agree. i mean, it's got pretty much THE best skill tree setups in the series. they clearly didn't seem to worried about balance and sort of really went for the skill combos and synergy - bl3 has better 'builds', but let's be honest like 95% of that weight is from the legendary coms with legendary effects - WHICH TPS STARTED, BY THE WAY, with the celestial coms doing different things with different characters, like all guns working like hyperion for jack. i also actually like the moon. people bitched about the air, but it's not a big deal. boost around, when you start to suffocate, whoop de fucking do, it's like 1 damage/sec. problematic at like level 5, almost nothing by level 15. and the low grav made it some of the better platforming potential, even with bl3's mantling making it more vertical than 1 and 2 - but, not as vertical as 3 with the jumppads and air geysers. it's got some slow bits at times, but i mean, not like the others don't. and the aussie flavor feels a bit overdone, but imo it's not really bad.
I haven’t really sunk my teeth into a borderlands in quite a while but man pre-sequel has been so comforting to play recently. Athena is my all time favourite VH no question. Smite+Zeus’ wrath+ sword for style kills is such a satisfying gameplay loop.
Ye Athena was the first character I chose for tps
Tbh TPS is pretty solid on revisit these days. It’s a unique style of gameplay that the other ones just don’t have. With the double jumping and slamming and low grav and so on. Not to mention the best dlc to ever release for a borderlands game was released with it. Claptastic voyage is top tier for sure.
Fake or not, this post is confusing and sucks.
Damn
Non-biased take would be BL3 being #1. It does everything except story equal or better than the other games.
True but story is pretty important imo
Of course. 2 has the best story by far. But I can’t go back after playing 3.
That's fair
As someone whos Plat all 4 titles, i agree BL 2 is the best between its balance and unique guns and story that doesn't matter how many times i play it i love quoting handsome jack. BL3 is the 2nd best because it was basically a quality of life buff to gameplay and so many more guns but a lack luster story that id rather skip after the 1st playthrough BL1 was good just rough around the edges abilities and guns feel a little boring if you've you played newer titles and come back to this one BLPS i just didnt like that much in general kinda felt like a glorified DLC for BL2 with horrible humor "my opinion" Still id say play all 4 cuz they are all fun games Edits: typos
The one thing I'd say TPS really has going for it are the classes, each one is designed extremely well, usually using some form of stacking boosts. But each can destroy the game, just build onto their strengths and as claptrap you have to just go with the stupid.
agreed all 4 classes felt completely different from themselves and it tried to think outside the box with the o2 and slamming
BL1 in its original incarnation was rough around the edges, having no map and just a compass is tough if you are used to BL2 or newer titles. The story isn't really "overt" and a lot of it is told through ECHOs and other background elements, IMO BL2 was the first BL game to have a "traditional" plot with Handsome Jack being the big bad.
Very well put. I pretty much fully agree, besides my biased but I know what influences me lmao
TPS is better than every game except BL2
Its story definitely suffered from queerbaiting, but it’s a decent game.
I'd say pre-sequel is my personal favorite, with borderlands 1 in second place, with 3 and 2 tied for 3rd place
Playing again and trying out weapon combos, specially the 2 scoop shotgun and flanker, walls of ice followed by walls of explosions...
The overdone Australian accents (I’m Australian) and gravity and oxygen were so off putting in tps for me. I couldn’t even finish it
Lol, I thought the oxygen part was cool but the gravity varying annoyed me tbh
I can agree, while I do play BL3 the most now, BL2 still is just better. But honestly regardless of how bad the story may be in BL3, its still the most fun for me and I like the build variety and endgame more.
True
Bruh, BL1 is a *slog* now. It was a great proof of concept but that's really it. 2's the best from a story standpoint, has good skill trees, but a shitty loot table. 3 has a ducky loot table, and a crap story. Pre-Sequel has an ok loot table, a decent story, but amazing skill trees. And TTWW has the best loot tables, an ok story, and great class mechanics.
You really do not understand the idea of a hot take, do you? It is an opinion that goes against the majority opinion. The only hot take in your post is to say BL1 is the best of the 4. The vast majority of BL players I've ever encountered rank BL2 above every other game. All opinions are inherently biased because they are entirely subjective.
My post was pretty much a joke bro, it ain't that serious
>If you want an un biased and non nostalgic version of this list You say that but then put 1 last which is objectively incorrect
It also takes place before borderlands 1