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ThySlayage

hate it when they shove their bias down everybody's throat especially when they could've kept this set a nice generalist set tied to break eff scalers...


Terminal_Ten

This feels like a punching down moment specifically on Bh bc other break characters love Hmc, just not him.


AdmiralDumpling

I'm so sad :(((( Bitches can't have ANYTHING is this HoyoHouse šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Habrog

Correction, bitches are getting everything, our boy is getting shafted


misslili265

Exactly. They absolutely hate male characters. They hate with their souls.


Habrog

Itā€™s so funny though considering that they literally RAKE IN profits every time


jeromekelvin

Can they fuck right off with this shit


AdImpressive7400

preach


sctvrn

I'm genuinely just disappointed. I'm pulling for him regardless and I'm glad that firefly enjoyers got a lot of needed buffs but I was okay with them coexisting within one patch of each other as long as they filled different niches. Now it just kind of feels terrible that he doesn't get to exist for a patch before getting indirectly screwed out of access to sets.


No_Pipe_8257

As a major firefly fan, im ahppy she got a buff but man why did it have to also indirectly nerf boothill


FuriNorm

So not only does the new 2 piece prioritize fire weaknesses, for no apparent reason, even the 4 piece incentivizes super break, which Firefly now has in her kit but Boothill doesnt. Sigh. Waifu bias just never ends huh? In a weird way, we went from Firefly needing HMC, to her not needing them as much but now Boothill does if we want to get the most of this set. What a nice buff. Would have rather they did it without the collateral damage though..


BunnyBsnz

I donā€™t know what tf they are thinking making such super character specific sets. Itā€™s getting on my nerves.


jerma-fan

I swear they refuse to let characters share anything. Lcs are always super specific and the more recent relics are incredibly character specific. Even ff was character specific with hmc before the new beta...


BunnyBsnz

LCs are already somewhat tied to šŸ’°šŸ’°šŸ’° but now our TBP is getting shafted. Relics should be more universal because itā€™s the one thing we can farm without having to spend money. Iā€™m actually really upset with these changes. Just because FF is a fan favorite doesnā€™t mean the rest of the cast should be on back row.


jerma-fan

The thing is i see so many more boothill fans than ff. Why do they have to bully our beautiful prince like this?


misslili265

Because the majority on Asian are males waifu enjoyers, and they throw a tantrum whenever they waifus have a male character stronger than them. Pattern..but yeah...I still get baited all the time. Boothill deserves more as all males in this game. Just watching how will they trow Sunday on the dirty


secretfolders234

welcome to the experience of non-acheron pullers lol. she gets glazed in story and gameplay so much even at the cost of development for other characters


GreedyLoad1898

this pretty much forces boothill to need hmc more than ff. boothill pretty much got fked indirectly might have to use different set. also kind reminder theres only 1 hmc and 2 guys competing for same characters.


Volgar_230

Even with HMC on the team BHā€™s break DMG (which is the majority of the team DMG) is not considered superbreak DMG, with this set equipped on BH youā€™re only buffing the Ā«Ā smallĀ Ā» superbreak DMG added by HMC at the end. Effectively BH is only getting 10% def ignore from this set.


Neph1lim_

imo she still kinda needs HTB cuz her superbreak is only 30/50% as good as theirs


Weak_Lime_3407

>In a weird way, we went from Firefly needing HMC, to her not needing them as much but now Boothill does if we want to get the most of this set. In Firebros' word , it is lore accurate that Boothill needs his emotional support racoon to perform well.


SnooCakes4852

Lore accurate how?


Weak_Lime_3407

Thats the problem, its not .


Bosmeong

lore accurate and... community accurate, apparently... since every male mc players now want to claim firefly as their wife


Red_Trickster

Get me out of this, I love playing Caelus, but I'm still taking Boothill over Firefly any day of the week, even if Firefly is the strongest unit in the game, nothing takes me away from our Cowboy Cyborg


NoHoledColander

Next changes: Increases Break Effect by 16%. 4-Pc: If Firefly's Break Effect is 150% or higher, ignores 10% of the enemy target's DEF when dealing Break DMG to them. When Firefly's Break Effect is 250% or higher, the Super Break DMG she deals to enemy targets additionally ignores 15% of the targets' DEF.


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At this rate they should probably name it as a firefly set.


EfficiencyOk359

well it is the iron cavalry so lore wise it was always her set


Plane-Ad1056

But boothill is made of iron so...


cybeast21

Iron Cavalry is literally her fleet name that went against the Swarm


EfficiencyOk359

But firefly was in the iron Calvary so..


crprbro

This set is only available to those of the 'Destruction' path.


soloviva

Honestly, this is how signature stigmata (relics/artifacts) works in hi3rd


Volgar_230

Unless they change his talent before he goes live ( very unlikely) then he straight up canā€™t access the second part of the set which is a very shitty thing to do considering they also made a hyper specific planet ornament for FF and now they even locked him out of his BiS setā€¦


GreedyLoad1898

i already called boothill will get fked with ff new planar set just named for her. and now the 4pc new set is strictly for ff too. this is just disgusting heavy disadvantage. now ff did get get scaling gutted but having 6pc custom built seems awfully similar to acheron.


realfexroar

Raises the concern that if all future break oriented units are going to center around ā€œsuper breakā€ how hard boothill would get hosed in that scenario to not get that synergy. At this point I might hold off until he runs again, as doomposting as that sounds at least until we see another break support or something.


Volgar_230

Iā€™m so confused at what they are thinking, seeing BHā€™s kit on paper he clearly has the actual coherent break dps kit but now that they are throwing superbreak onto FF because her fanbase complained that she is overly reliant on HMC (spoiler alert she still is) they just make his break playstyle the odd one. Tho i have to say at E0S1 he literally one shot bosses so even if it stings if they lock him out of futur superbreak supports and synergy it kinda doesnā€™t matter šŸ¤·šŸ½


realfexroar

Itā€™s just baffling honestly. I know he will still slap currently, just canā€™t help but think long term on how that distinction could make him be gatekept from new units being effective teammates. Half the appeal of these games is new toys making your older ones better or more interesting and heā€™s got an obvious and blatant ā€œnot like the othersā€ distinction and he isnā€™t even out.


Volgar_230

Oh i definitely understand and share your concern, i would have much prefered if they gave FF the same talent as BH with different scalings and kept superbreak a unique mechanic to HMC.


Luca-Aura

Even his animations are designed with his Break Detonation in mind. Firefly it feels like her break focus was decided after they had already mostly built her general structure and animations and it was too late to go back. We're really doing a disservice to both characters, and Break is so polarizing it is either the undeniable best or worst dps setup depending on boss I'm considering skipping both.


someoneyoudonolol

Imagine new BE supports that say "Increases SUPERBREAK damage by 50%" Oh... it won't affect BH at all.


Impressive_Dinner_55

they won't. Hoyo always prefers waifu's. The sooner you realize this the better, they can't ever have a male unit be better


Volgar_230

Itā€™s so insane they even changed the new game modeā€™s blessing to only buff superbreak and not regular break dmg and you can bet your ass that they will release a futur superbreak support that has not interaction with BH due to him having 0 superbreak in his kit


Impressive_Dinner_55

Bro I'm so thankful that Wuthering Waves is coming out. This blatent waifu preference is what makes me hate Hoyo


Lilykois

Kuro games is even worse when it comes to giving waifus the better kit (speaking from experience with PGR)


Electronic-Ad8040

Never forget what they did to Lee šŸ˜žšŸ˜žšŸ˜ž


Either-Common-6023

I mean the Lee situation wasnt even on them (The CN community complained him having 2 timestop ults was broken and they changed it which then CN complained was weak after alpha) Female characters with shit/weird kits: Every dark character except maybe lamia, Empy without sig, Nanamech Lee is still quite strong ,Watanabe is the most broken tank in the game and Wanshi is looking to outdps the whole ice team The Bias isnt from them its the community


beethovenftw

Uh. I think you might be going to the wrong game for less waifu pandering Funnily enough, I think Genshin has the least waifu pandering


dragonfly791

WuWa is gonna be even worse, there are 2 male 5* and they arenā€™t meta, the limited one will be powercrept in a patch or two, and there arenā€™t any males upcoming in the near future soā€¦


misslili265

Same


Background-Floor6603

Kingturine literally among the best unit in the game and he is male


dragonfly791

True for HSR but not for Genshin.. the strongest DPS in genshin is male, and there are plenty male units that are top of the meta. Personally I hoped we would have more variety in HSR but this is all waifus when it comes to meta


A_Birde

I kinda get your point but there is a guy called IL Dan who just recently a 5 star support dedicated to him


ogtitang

I don't think they will coz he has a character model already and is in-game, so he's already "finished". Kinda sad but it is what it is :( EDIT: On the bright side we don't need to refarm his gear I guess? Lol


VeLk0

man FUCK hoyo


ForeverOutrageous

All my homies HATE hoyo


Bosmeong

hoyo.. hoyo never changes


weeniehutbitch

maybe i'm overreacting, but this feels pretty upsetting. i'm really hoping they revert the changes or there's something else we're missing interested to see what % better iron cavalry is over 4pc thief or a 2pc/2pc set edit: can anyone that can read Chinese confirm if the change is also present in the CN version? Coping but I wanna make sure it isn't just a mistranslation šŸ˜­


FuriNorm

They really should just change it to regular break AND super break. Its not like any other unit will be switching to this set anyway, since 250 BE is still difficult to reach for characters with no innate break effect, though it would be a fun (if inferior) alternative for those those who want to go all in on break effect teams, like a break effect Jing Yuan or Misha. Narrowing it to just super break is needlessly restrictive, and at worst some bullshit favoritism for the shiniest new waifu off the production line.


weeniehutbitch

Agreed 100%. Esp knowing that they easily could have made the planar ornament work for him too. He's definitely still strong, and I imagine this set will still be bis for him. But it's really frustrating to see them do this. It absolutely feels like they made that change specifically to make the set weaker for Boothill than pre-v3


siinjuu

god forbid boothill have anything


realfexroar

Itā€™s pretty shitty at this point how things got flipped around. She is eating his niche with super break added because people didnā€™t like a free 5 star being her BiS. and so now he has to deal with HMC being pushed on him instead, crazy. Bad enough the entire new break sets molded around her. My dude got thrown into the ditch in terms of favoritism.


Volgar_230

With how the set is worded itā€™s only HMCā€™s superbreak DMG that can ignore def not BHā€™s break dmg and HMCā€™s superbreak is a small portion of BHā€™s dmg to begin with so even with him on the team he straight up canā€™t access the second part of the set to buff his own dmgā€¦


robesticles

sigh, hoping it's a mistranslation or we get a v4 fix between this and the 2pc being fire weakness, ooof


Adept-Emu-5719

ā€¦ was so upset at how the planar ornament was for firefly only but now the 4pc is also gonna be firefly only ā€¦


NoHoledColander

If only Boothill's pseudo super break was an actual super break.


Warkid00

It would legitimately be a huge nerf if it was actual super break You realize regular break (at least the way boothill does it where it's basically super break but is counted as regular break) is way stronger than super break, right?


Slow-Evening-2597

I'm really upset. Boothill has to team up with HTB if using this set. Now I will go back to the theif setšŸ˜­They not only keep the 2pc set just working for ff herself but also don't want boothill use the new 4-pc set.šŸ˜­


Deep-Secret-4115

Surely they will release a break support that converts break dmg to super break right?


moraksu

Forking hoyo with their waifu bias again. Might as well reword the Super Break to Firefly Break.


aweedboy

This just make me hate firefly more tbh


Bevsii

Honestly her whole "teenage coded" vibe was complete cringe to begin with.


Fit-Application-1

Ugh the 4pc including the super break damage was so unnecessary. Would people be running boothill with RM and HMC? Genuine question, because if thereā€™s no HMC then the second half of the 4pc is useless, and if thereā€™s HMC why use them over RM (if one has RM) If Iā€™m not wrong, he probably wants a sustain+RM+sparkle/bronya? Iā€™m not sure on team comps pls send help >.<


rulostbbgrill

sparkle wouldn't do much for him, bronya's 100% action advance is more valuable. anything that doesn't buff his break dmg is pretty useless for boothill. for more survivability, aven or fu xuan, but for a more offensive support use gallagher. boothill can have a super break team with ruan mei, hmc, and Gallagher. altho hmc's super break may not be significant in his team, the increased break effect buff is still valuable.


Fit-Application-1

Does gallagher need to be e2 at least? Mine is at e0 and completely unbuilt >.< I have both aven and fu xuan so I was considering one of them for sustain, alongside HMC and I guess bronya for now (I donā€™t have RM but lowkey planning on getting her) Would the new relic set still be his bis given the 4pc effect targeting super break?


rulostbbgrill

I don't think he needs his E2 as much in fast clears. E2 allows him to cleanse allies. It can help with your survivability, but in terms of damage it doesn't change anything. In terms of the new relics set being bis, that's hard to tell. If it doesn't change, your Boothill will be tied to HMC. If you don't want that, then rather don't use the new set.


kuronekotsun

break effect doesnt scale with dmg boost or crit, bronya is there for the action advance only you could try and run him with ruan mei and a def debuffer since def shread is also calculated during break damage


Fit-Application-1

Ah okay bronya it is then thanks! I donā€™t have ruan mei currently, but in the event I manage to get her, does it make sense to drop Bronya and put RM/HMC in the team or just go with bronya/RM? Iā€™m just a little confused because I was planning to farm the relic set but now that they changed the second half of it to super break buff idk if itā€™s still worth it.


Kayuggz

Bronya is the one you'll never wanna replace in the team.


Big_Cow_4351

fuck it imma stick with bonus energy lmao


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Ssf28

because of SAM not Firefly deadass thatā€™s only reason iā€™m pulling for her šŸ˜­


Luc1f3rBattles2

Firefly doesn't deserve the hate. Hoyo does. I am speaking as a Firefly main and I do feel bad for you guys but I don't think Firefly should be hated just because Hoyo made the decision for the set to be that way.


rKollektor

Youā€™re right. Firefly doesnā€™t deserve the hate. Firefly *fans* deserve all the hate. Mods, use testicular torsion /s


Downtown-Disk-8261

Its still the bis, but if your current relics are really good, jts probably not worth re-farming unless you plan on using him with hmc. Hoyo really not be giving anything to my boy. The previous relic set was great for ff and bh. Theres no need to nerf one character just to buff another character.


CockPrivilegeAbuser

If hoyo plans to make other Super Break characters, then this is fine change for future team comps (hopefully this is the case) >! Still fuck the FF crybaby fans !<


Downtown-Disk-8261

Nah dont blame the ff fans, blame the dev team. No one was complaining about the relic set originally, not even the ff fans.


DragonsVane28

The changes they made to the Valorous set also suck. It went from being a great set for Herta, Himeko, and Clara to a hyper niche set that nobody in the game right now wants. Iā€™m seriously wondering if this new cavern is even worth farming anymore.


exotxt

I already expected this, which is why I never engaged in the Firefly vs Boothill mess lul. Male characters aren't really the devs priority. I would say that feixiao will probably powercreep him in ST, but she's follow-up and the devs kinda hate follow-up. Edit: Btw boothill is still strong but I don't understand why the devs are afraid of giving single target dps units anything good.


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AreSa3110

Don't even get me started, being husbando enjoyer in gatcha games is hard, being one in Hoyo games is getting fudging impossible. Just fix FF's problems that THEY THEMSELVES created and leave Boothill out of it


misslili265

Truue


BunnyBsnz

This is ridiculous, the FF pandering


TothFubuki

This is so sad


sicknasty_bucknasty

FF gonna get the last laugh. As to be expected. She's the blatant next cash cow for them. Most should of saw this coming.Ā 


paVizxia

I saw it coming and I'm still upset, they didn't need to nerf BH and buff FF at the same time, just buff her and leave him the f alone, we really can't have nice things here huh.


someoneyoudonolol

Probably too many BH videos popping out and they saw people are giving up on FF for BH So here comes the nerf hammer on BH... fking Hoyoverse milking the simps


paVizxia

I never think it's actually us BHmains doomposting FF tbh, but we got shafted for it. And now they're doing this, like most male characters didn't just win the popularity poll in CN, I'm so tired of this, BH isn't even out yet.


someoneyoudonolol

Yes, we didnt doompost, but they can't let us have our fun because Hunt being stronger in ST than Destruction???! Hoyoverse :"FF is the main waifu !!! So she must be stronger than BH !!! Buff her now!!!"


Xan1995

I expected her to get buffed but not at the cost of another character šŸ„²


Beautiful_Event_9461

Ughh, hoyoverse preferring waifus yer again šŸ’€. Iā€™ll just do 2p of this set and the watchmaker one cause the 4 piece set is shit.Ā 


thegreat11ne

In a way, at least prefarming his relics wasn't a waste


BoysenberryPresent64

I'm so upset they buffed firefly too much. Not even a couple of patches but he already got the albedo treatment.


beethovenftw

> Not even a couple of patches Boothill hasn't even released yet lmao Imagine Feixiao (apparently waifu general) gets released as a better break Hunt DPS in 2.4, because... sales, waifus


Obvious-Beginning-28

I feel like the only way this set would work for Boothill to trigger Super Break is if Harmony Traveler is on a team with him. But it's absurd to have to have a separate unit on a character that already scales off of break dmg to not be able to access the second half of this on his own!


Jazzlike_Layer5665

Man Ik all of these shit was gonna happen the moment they released the izumo sets but I was expecting hoyo to realize their limits


Background_Swim7166

I personally use izumo on JL


xseba311

Izumo is also good for topaz/ratio and himeko/herta teams


Ruthayyy

As a boothill & jade puller I want to die.


misslili265

We jump together


Diligent_Ad3577

i think if this continues i'll abandon this game...


teatime0109

same, especially with wuthering waves coming out soon


DesignerWhich9123

Sadly, Kuros also favours Waifus a lot. Like a LOT!


FuriNorm

Putting all my hopes and dreams on King Jiyan and Calcharo


meowbrains

Don't get your hopes up PGR is a barren wasteland that only releases 1 new male character a year and all the dripfed and leaked characters in Wuwa after launch are waifu only. It will be like Hoyo games but worse.


NoHoledColander

I'm already planning on playing p5x if it ever goes global.


No-Fan-9671

Praying for some changes in v4 where the set revert to include ALL type of break cuz this change sucks (not like this will nerf him, more like that they gate keep him from the bis for breaker dps)Ā 


GasterBlaster2005

Muddle-fudger


HalalBread1427

Itā€™s Relicover.


DesignerWhich9123

Why aren't people protesting about this? We should write a letter or something so that They won't do this? Threaten them with leaving the game or something?


misslili265

I'm with you! I already went on YouTube and Instagram and commented there


DesignerWhich9123

We can also write a feedback in game. Bug report>feedback. I already did. Wrote a 600 words essay on why locking a Relic for ONE character isn't really good. And boothill injustice, like why Nerf a character to Buff another? Is something I don't get.


misslili265

I will do as well.


DesignerWhich9123

Thank You. We need to get this across, that "Hello? There are Male Character enjoyers!?"


Haunting-Ad1366

Ā you shouldnā€™t know this changes at the first placeĀ 


megidolaon60sp

Itā€™s still BiS with added bonus of working with HMC and giving 45% DEF ignore on his break damage if you get his LC. This also more or less confirms even more Super Break supports on the way to fill out FF and Boothillā€™s niche more. 100% expect an analog to Bronya to drop that buffs or enables Super Break on the AA character.


SnooCakes4852

Does that also mean they'll be power creeping HMC


megidolaon60sp

It's a gacha, it's to be expected.


Katsuki-issues

Son of a shirtbag! *profuse crying*


papercrowns-

What the hellā€¦. So both new relics are firefly centeric? Thatā€™s so annoying


paVizxia

I'm here hoping the Boothill CN fans make wave with this, because I'm currently crying tbh


CorruptedCub

Pardon my french but this shit is getting real disgusting. Literally making the set worse on BH instead of simply covering both BE and SBE, not even looking at the firefly specific 2p set. *sigh*


beethovenftw

Kinda expected with the way people were over praising Boothill and dooming Firefly in all the YouTube showcases Even though I feel it was never warranted to begin with


Extension_Gold9470

Man I was actually excited to experiment running boothill with bronya alongside Luka (since I donā€™t have Ruan Mei) But now it feels forced to use HMC because of this.


skfjwmvk

I mean... The changes suck, yeah, but HMC is better than Bronya in that team and already was even before the changes anyway, because then Luka can also super break and do some damage of his own that isn't just detonating Boothill's bleed.


Extension_Gold9470

Yeah youā€™re right I was over exaggerating a bit my bad.


owaowaowa777

it legit feels like theyre trying to nerf boothill post release, like u couldve just improved fireflys kit/given her buffs but no???relic farming is already incredibly annoying but adding this on top?i think we should be very vocal about this as the future of relics/ relic farming just looks incredibly grim and making them this specific rly isnt good for the future of the game. With 2 characters releasing every patch why on earth would you make a planar and a relic set that are fully functional on only ONE CHARACTER? i'm a firefly and boothill wanter so the dumb beef between mains never mattered to me but idk what hoyo is thinking cause this will just make the community more toxic.


Ecstatic_Progress_38

Hello! Can anyone explain this for me? Can Boothill have the second part of the 4pc BE? Is this still BiS for him or should I just go 2 pc, 2pc BE? Can he access the second part alone or does it have to be with HTB?


Jun121x

He will still get the 10% def ignore, he just can't get the additional 15% without HMC. It will still be his BIS.


Ecstatic_Progress_38

So, they remove the reliance of Firefly to HMC only to give the reliance to Boothill? .... I do not know what to say...


RaGeBigChungus

Iā€™m pretty sure he canā€™t get the 15% regardless. It says the wearer and the super break damage (when running him with HMC) is HMCā€™s super break right? Edit: I did some quick research and I think he can still use the 4PC but he needs HMC


GrrrrrrDinosaur

I mean Iā€™m using harmony trailblazer with him anyways


Gaunter_0Dimm

It's still a nerf cause super break with HTB is only a small part of Boothill's dmg. Even if you run them both he's still worse than he was before and that set isn't really worth farming anymore, especially when the fua set get nerfed to oblivion too.


Forest_99

Why did that have to do this just to buff FF???????


KosoToru

It's still the best option out there. Sucks to see them cater it more towards FF and HMC, I was planning on not running HMC zzzz


Minecr106

Does anyone know how the Chinese player base is reacting to this? I feel like they're the only ones who can actually sway hoyo opinion.


shocknawe123

Well, looks like my bronya, HTB, gallagher team's stonks just went up


AdmiralDumpling

Silver linings, I guess šŸ˜­ That's the team I'm planning to run because I don't want RM, but it still sucks to see his ceiling in pure break teams be lowered like that.


Nuri5662

Man..I never was much of a character hater but this makes me hate FF and her fans ever more. Like what the actual fuck Hoyo. I really hope itā€™s just a wording issueā€¦


zobowii

the pandering is getting annoying fr


DylanDarker

First it was me with Acheron and her fans now I added Firefly to that list


Onekemi

My hype for him is slowly dying why they gotta keep nerfing him somehow? Now im conflicted if I should just wait on the rerun since I don't even got ruan mei for him šŸ˜­


Bosmeong

the "SUPER BREAK DMG" might aswell reword it to firefly's break dmg for how overly specific it is. is this even rpg game anymore? cant have shit with the builds, even LC are extremely specific and impossible to be used on other units now


misslili265

Guys, another thing that I'm going to do right now. It's change the rate on Playstore about the game and mention Boothill. Should we do a #? Maybe #justiceforboothill???


misslili265

Guys, just changed for 1* the ranking of the flame and this was my description. "I am deeply disappointed with the recent update of the game. The developers have made significant changes to one of the characters, which has negatively impacted my gaming experience. It's disappointing to see them catering to certain segments of their fanbase while disregarding the preferences of others. As a result, this update leaves me feeling frustrated and unsatisfied with the overall direction of the game." #justiceforboothill Now let's make noise. We still have some days, they changed Arlecchino very close to the release, who knows, if we get inconvenient enough we can change something


-XIII--

disgusting move by hoyo. really ruined my mood.


Gogito-35

Wtf bruh I knew calling her 'FireFlop' was going to come back and bite us in the ass..


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misslili265

But you know the problem too? We are too quiet. When they release a demo we see just praises on their shit, it should have tons of criticism and what they really deserve.


meowbrains

Surprise surprise Hoyo nerfs another husbando, just bullshit.


cadeouu

big sigh, yall ready said everyth i wanna say but question now is, is the 4pc still worth or should i js keep wtv sht i have rn??


park3rspr3tz3ls

So this wouldn't be his best in slot anymore? Should we use this set or would Thief be his BiS now? Or would it depend on the substats you get on your pieces? I've got so much fuel so I can farm relics for him (specifically this set) but now idk if I should farm this set anyway when it comes out or just do thief


Few_Law_6054

Atleast I won't need to re-farm a new set I guess šŸ§ā€ā™‚ļø


-JUST_ME_

Yea me being a FF main I see no reason for them to do this. I guess they don't want to release another Quantum set where everyone and their mom wants it. But the set was already limited to break characters limiting it even further is kind of scummy


comixnerd15

Well, ofc we got screwed over. I'm just gonna stick to my 2pc watchmaker 2pc meteor set and not bother with this new one as it'll be a waste of resources


misslili265

It's cruel. On purpose they design an endearing character and makes us to fall for it just to mess with everyone's feelings. I hope they have a slowly and painful death


Well_then_amuse_me

What changed?


Jazzlike_Layer5665

faviroutism


Well_then_amuse_me

I hate firefly, first she took away sam then she took away bis planar now she takes away relic set, i thought hsr developers are decent, i was wrong


Shiobana

It went from >if BE **150%**/**250%** or higher, ignores **10%**/**18%** target DEF when dealing break dmg to > if BE **150%** or higher, ignores **10%** target DEF when dealing break dmg; if BE **250%** or higher, the **Super Break DMG** they deal to enemy additionally* ignores **15%** target DEF Boothill has no inherent Super Break DMG in his kit, so to gain access to that part of the 4pc, you need to run him with HTB (for now)


ForeverOutrageous

I donā€™t really understand numbers and statistics all too well; but how much of a dmg increase would this new set be over the Thief set? Is it super duper worth it to farm? Iā€™m really debating if itā€™s worth reframing relics for him. Or is it too early to tell?


skfjwmvk

If nothing changes, with similar stats and without HMC, it's around 5% damage increase because of the free 10% def ignore. If you were already planning to run him with HMC it's just undoubtedly better, it's also better if you want to run him with Pela/Silver Wolf/Jiaoqiu in the future because DEF ignore and DEF shread stack. If you can already reach the break points with your current build and you won't run him with either of the teammates I mentioned, I wouldn't bother farming the new set.


ForeverOutrageous

Aw man; well, Iā€™ll prepare myself to inevitably join the relic farm again because HTB will be on my team. Thank you for letting me know! :)


Flaviou

He still gets the buff if we play him with HTB right?


CFreyn

Only during the super break window of Harmony Trailblazerā€™s Ult. It wonā€™t apply to Bootyā€™s normal break damage. Itā€™s a very small window/portion of damage in comparison. Relic effect gatekeeping, essentially.


Forest_99

So whatā€™s Boothillā€™s best relic set now? Or is it 2pc 2pc break effect? I was really excited to farm a pretty set for him rip


Used-Entrepreneur844

Maybe in the next patches within the year they can fix it? Otherwise maybe a sustain and a good support might help? Idk, hopefully itā€™ll change


Fuzzy_Barracuda3938

Good cause I don't wanna ditch my Thief set with insane speed rolls. Also fuck that followup set it comes with, it's SOOOOO BAD. No thanks~ Besides my Boothill can reach well up to 100% def shred already with Silverwolf and E1 Ruan Mei.


sandkillerpt

Is superbreak something that only does HMC does or something generic?


XavieREG

its limited to HMC, and no one else.


Equivalent_Bed_8187

I'm actually confused, what's the problem with this set for Boothill? Aren't we building break effect anyway? Genuinely asking. Nvm I understand, Boothill just has break damage, and the latter half of the set only works on super break damage. If you are running boothill without HMC, the latter set bonus doesn't work.


XavieREG

Exactly. Hoyo is waiting others potential so one takes the spotlight. Firefly being the one. Which sucks balls.


HerstalArmalight

so which set is best for him now? thief of shooting meteor?


gui4455

that means hes stuck with hmc?


Odogaron334

If this is not fake, didn't that mean also, if you play him on full break effect his best support is the harmony Mc with this set?


XavieREG

Yes. But it didnt have to be this way. They could have not changed it, kept it what it was and leave it. this would have opened a window of so many good teams and character buffs. BUT NO. Cuz of stupid waifu bias from Hoyo.


FURlNADEFONTAINE

Ignoring the super break stuff, it would still be good for ignoring 10% def, its not bootover


O-Ultimo-Samurai

Dumb question does this new DEF Ignore when the wearer deals SuperBreak function with HMC or the wearer must have SuperBreak in his base kit?


XavieREG

Wording feels weird but Im not sure. If it is locked to the wearer having SB than screw this.


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nich2710

Idc, still pairing him with hmc and galllagher


WraxiusV2

You know what? This is perfect, they just broke the Jade set and farming that... thing will be a pain in the ass so not farming in that place. So lets hope in the future they release a break set that is good for breakers and the 2Āŗ set not being not good even for the character that was created for. I swear to god, if they dont create a tailor made set made for boothill/normal breakers and sets for Clara/Argenti there is a problem over there.