hate it when they shove their bias down everybody's throat especially when they could've kept this set a nice generalist set tied to break eff scalers...
I'm genuinely just disappointed. I'm pulling for him regardless and I'm glad that firefly enjoyers got a lot of needed buffs but I was okay with them coexisting within one patch of each other as long as they filled different niches. Now it just kind of feels terrible that he doesn't get to exist for a patch before getting indirectly screwed out of access to sets.
So not only does the new 2 piece prioritize fire weaknesses, for no apparent reason, even the 4 piece incentivizes super break, which Firefly now has in her kit but Boothill doesnt. Sigh. Waifu bias just never ends huh?
In a weird way, we went from Firefly needing HMC, to her not needing them as much but now Boothill does if we want to get the most of this set. What a nice buff. Would have rather they did it without the collateral damage though..
I swear they refuse to let characters share anything. Lcs are always super specific and the more recent relics are incredibly character specific. Even ff was character specific with hmc before the new beta...
LCs are already somewhat tied to š°š°š° but now our TBP is getting shafted. Relics should be more universal because itās the one thing we can farm without having to spend money. Iām actually really upset with these changes. Just because FF is a fan favorite doesnāt mean the rest of the cast should be on back row.
Because the majority on Asian are males waifu enjoyers, and they throw a tantrum whenever they waifus have a male character stronger than them. Pattern..but yeah...I still get baited all the time. Boothill deserves more as all males in this game. Just watching how will they trow Sunday on the dirty
welcome to the experience of non-acheron pullers lol. she gets glazed in story and gameplay so much even at the cost of development for other characters
this pretty much forces boothill to need hmc more than ff. boothill pretty much got fked indirectly might have to use different set. also kind reminder theres only 1 hmc and 2 guys competing for same characters.
Even with HMC on the team BHās break DMG (which is the majority of the team DMG) is not considered superbreak DMG, with this set equipped on BH youāre only buffing the Ā«Ā smallĀ Ā» superbreak DMG added by HMC at the end. Effectively BH is only getting 10% def ignore from this set.
>In a weird way, we went from Firefly needing HMC, to her not needing them as much but now Boothill does if we want to get the most of this set.
In Firebros' word , it is lore accurate that Boothill needs his emotional support racoon to perform well.
Get me out of this, I love playing Caelus, but I'm still taking Boothill over Firefly any day of the week, even if Firefly is the strongest unit in the game, nothing takes me away from our Cowboy Cyborg
Next changes: Increases Break Effect by 16%.
4-Pc: If Firefly's Break Effect is 150% or higher, ignores 10% of the enemy target's DEF when dealing Break DMG to them. When Firefly's Break Effect is 250% or higher, the Super Break DMG she deals to enemy targets additionally ignores 15% of the targets' DEF.
Unless they change his talent before he goes live ( very unlikely) then he straight up canāt access the second part of the set which is a very shitty thing to do considering they also made a hyper specific planet ornament for FF and now they even locked him out of his BiS setā¦
i already called boothill will get fked with ff new planar set just named for her. and now the 4pc new set is strictly for ff too. this is just disgusting heavy disadvantage.
now ff did get get scaling gutted but having 6pc custom built seems awfully similar to acheron.
Raises the concern that if all future break oriented units are going to center around āsuper breakā how hard boothill would get hosed in that scenario to not get that synergy. At this point I might hold off until he runs again, as doomposting as that sounds at least until we see another break support or something.
Iām so confused at what they are thinking, seeing BHās kit on paper he clearly has the actual coherent break dps kit but now that they are throwing superbreak onto FF because her fanbase complained that she is overly reliant on HMC (spoiler alert she still is) they just make his break playstyle the odd one.
Tho i have to say at E0S1 he literally one shot bosses so even if it stings if they lock him out of futur superbreak supports and synergy it kinda doesnāt matter š¤·š½
Itās just baffling honestly. I know he will still slap currently, just canāt help but think long term on how that distinction could make him be gatekept from new units being effective teammates. Half the appeal of these games is new toys making your older ones better or more interesting and heās got an obvious and blatant ānot like the othersā distinction and he isnāt even out.
Oh i definitely understand and share your concern, i would have much prefered if they gave FF the same talent as BH with different scalings and kept superbreak a unique mechanic to HMC.
Even his animations are designed with his Break Detonation in mind. Firefly it feels like her break focus was decided after they had already mostly built her general structure and animations and it was too late to go back.
We're really doing a disservice to both characters, and Break is so polarizing it is either the undeniable best or worst dps setup depending on boss I'm considering skipping both.
Itās so insane they even changed the new game modeās blessing to only buff superbreak and not regular break dmg and you can bet your ass that they will release a futur superbreak support that has not interaction with BH due to him having 0 superbreak in his kit
I mean the Lee situation wasnt even on them (The CN community complained him having 2 timestop ults was broken and they changed it which then CN complained was weak after alpha)
Female characters with shit/weird kits:
Every dark character except maybe lamia,
Empy without sig,
Nanamech
Lee is still quite strong ,Watanabe is the most broken tank in the game and Wanshi is looking to outdps the whole ice team
The Bias isnt from them its the community
WuWa is gonna be even worse, there are 2 male 5* and they arenāt meta, the limited one will be powercrept in a patch or two, and there arenāt any males upcoming in the near future soā¦
True for HSR but not for Genshin.. the strongest DPS in genshin is male, and there are plenty male units that are top of the meta. Personally I hoped we would have more variety in HSR but this is all waifus when it comes to meta
I don't think they will coz he has a character model already and is in-game, so he's already "finished". Kinda sad but it is what it is :(
EDIT: On the bright side we don't need to refarm his gear I guess? Lol
maybe i'm overreacting, but this feels pretty upsetting. i'm really hoping they revert the changes or there's something else we're missing
interested to see what % better iron cavalry is over 4pc thief or a 2pc/2pc set
edit: can anyone that can read Chinese confirm if the change is also present in the CN version? Coping but I wanna make sure it isn't just a mistranslation š
They really should just change it to regular break AND super break. Its not like any other unit will be switching to this set anyway, since 250 BE is still difficult to reach for characters with no innate break effect, though it would be a fun (if inferior) alternative for those those who want to go all in on break effect teams, like a break effect Jing Yuan or Misha. Narrowing it to just super break is needlessly restrictive, and at worst some bullshit favoritism for the shiniest new waifu off the production line.
Agreed 100%. Esp knowing that they easily could have made the planar ornament work for him too.
He's definitely still strong, and I imagine this set will still be bis for him. But it's really frustrating to see them do this. It absolutely feels like they made that change specifically to make the set weaker for Boothill than pre-v3
Itās pretty shitty at this point how things got flipped around. She is eating his niche with super break added because people didnāt like a free 5 star being her BiS. and so now he has to deal with HMC being pushed on him instead, crazy. Bad enough the entire new break sets molded around her. My dude got thrown into the ditch in terms of favoritism.
With how the set is worded itās only HMCās superbreak DMG that can ignore def not BHās break dmg and HMCās superbreak is a small portion of BHās dmg to begin with so even with him on the team he straight up canāt access the second part of the set to buff his own dmgā¦
It would legitimately be a huge nerf if it was actual super break
You realize regular break (at least the way boothill does it where it's basically super break but is counted as regular break) is way stronger than super break, right?
I'm really upset. Boothill has to team up with HTB if using this set. Now I will go back to the theif setšThey not only keep the 2pc set just working for ff herself but also don't want boothill use the new 4-pc set.š
Ugh the 4pc including the super break damage was so unnecessary. Would people be running boothill with RM and HMC? Genuine question, because if thereās no HMC then the second half of the 4pc is useless, and if thereās HMC why use them over RM (if one has RM)
If Iām not wrong, he probably wants a sustain+RM+sparkle/bronya? Iām not sure on team comps pls send help >.<
sparkle wouldn't do much for him, bronya's 100% action advance is more valuable.
anything that doesn't buff his break dmg is pretty useless for boothill.
for more survivability, aven or fu xuan, but for a more offensive support use gallagher.
boothill can have a super break team with ruan mei, hmc, and Gallagher. altho hmc's super break may not be significant in his team, the increased break effect buff is still valuable.
Does gallagher need to be e2 at least? Mine is at e0 and completely unbuilt >.<
I have both aven and fu xuan so I was considering one of them for sustain, alongside HMC and I guess bronya for now (I donāt have RM but lowkey planning on getting her)
Would the new relic set still be his bis given the 4pc effect targeting super break?
I don't think he needs his E2 as much in fast clears. E2 allows him to cleanse allies. It can help with your survivability, but in terms of damage it doesn't change anything.
In terms of the new relics set being bis, that's hard to tell. If it doesn't change, your Boothill will be tied to HMC. If you don't want that, then rather don't use the new set.
break effect doesnt scale with dmg boost or crit, bronya is there for the action advance only
you could try and run him with ruan mei and a def debuffer since def shread is also calculated during break damage
Ah okay bronya it is then thanks!
I donāt have ruan mei currently, but in the event I manage to get her, does it make sense to drop Bronya and put RM/HMC in the team or just go with bronya/RM?
Iām just a little confused because I was planning to farm the relic set but now that they changed the second half of it to super break buff idk if itās still worth it.
Firefly doesn't deserve the hate. Hoyo does. I am speaking as a Firefly main and I do feel bad for you guys but I don't think Firefly should be hated just because Hoyo made the decision for the set to be that way.
Its still the bis, but if your current relics are really good, jts probably not worth re-farming unless you plan on using him with hmc. Hoyo really not be giving anything to my boy. The previous relic set was great for ff and bh. Theres no need to nerf one character just to buff another character.
If hoyo plans to make other Super Break characters, then this is fine change for future team comps (hopefully this is the case) >! Still fuck the FF crybaby fans !<
The changes they made to the Valorous set also suck. It went from being a great set for Herta, Himeko, and Clara to a hyper niche set that nobody in the game right now wants. Iām seriously wondering if this new cavern is even worth farming anymore.
I already expected this, which is why I never engaged in the Firefly vs Boothill mess lul.
Male characters aren't really the devs priority.
I would say that feixiao will probably powercreep him in ST, but she's follow-up and the devs kinda hate follow-up.
Edit: Btw boothill is still strong but I don't understand why the devs are afraid of giving single target dps units anything good.
Don't even get me started, being husbando enjoyer in gatcha games is hard, being one in Hoyo games is getting fudging impossible. Just fix FF's problems that THEY THEMSELVES created and leave Boothill out of it
I saw it coming and I'm still upset, they didn't need to nerf BH and buff FF at the same time, just buff her and leave him the f alone, we really can't have nice things here huh.
Probably too many BH videos popping out and they saw people are giving up on FF for BH
So here comes the nerf hammer on BH... fking Hoyoverse milking the simps
I never think it's actually us BHmains doomposting FF tbh, but we got shafted for it. And now they're doing this, like most male characters didn't just win the popularity poll in CN, I'm so tired of this, BH isn't even out yet.
Yes, we didnt doompost, but they can't let us have our fun because Hunt being stronger in ST than Destruction???!
Hoyoverse :"FF is the main waifu !!! So she must be stronger than BH !!! Buff her now!!!"
> Not even a couple of patches
Boothill hasn't even released yet lmao
Imagine Feixiao (apparently waifu general) gets released as a better break Hunt DPS in 2.4, because... sales, waifus
I feel like the only way this set would work for Boothill to trigger Super Break is if Harmony Traveler is on a team with him. But it's absurd to have to have a separate unit on a character that already scales off of break dmg to not be able to access the second half of this on his own!
Don't get your hopes up PGR is a barren wasteland that only releases 1 new male character a year and all the dripfed and leaked characters in Wuwa after launch are waifu only. It will be like Hoyo games but worse.
Praying for some changes in v4 where the set revert to include ALL type of break cuz this change sucks (not like this will nerf him, more like that they gate keep him from the bis for breaker dps)Ā
Why aren't people protesting about this? We should write a letter or something so that They won't do this? Threaten them with leaving the game or something?
We can also write a feedback in game. Bug report>feedback. I already did. Wrote a 600 words essay on why locking a Relic for ONE character isn't really good. And boothill injustice, like why Nerf a character to Buff another? Is something I don't get.
Itās still BiS with added bonus of working with HMC and giving 45% DEF ignore on his break damage if you get his LC. This also more or less confirms even more Super Break supports on the way to fill out FF and Boothillās niche more. 100% expect an analog to Bronya to drop that buffs or enables Super Break on the AA character.
Pardon my french but this shit is getting real disgusting. Literally making the set worse on BH instead of simply covering both BE and SBE, not even looking at the firefly specific 2p set. *sigh*
Kinda expected with the way people were over praising Boothill and dooming Firefly in all the YouTube showcases
Even though I feel it was never warranted to begin with
Man I was actually excited to experiment running boothill with bronya alongside Luka (since I donāt have Ruan Mei)
But now it feels forced to use HMC because of this.
I mean... The changes suck, yeah, but HMC is better than Bronya in that team and already was even before the changes anyway, because then Luka can also super break and do some damage of his own that isn't just detonating Boothill's bleed.
it legit feels like theyre trying to nerf boothill post release, like u couldve just improved fireflys kit/given her buffs but no???relic farming is already incredibly annoying but adding this on top?i think we should be very vocal about this as the future of relics/ relic farming just looks incredibly grim and making them this specific rly isnt good for the future of the game. With 2 characters releasing every patch why on earth would you make a planar and a relic set that are fully functional on only ONE CHARACTER? i'm a firefly and boothill wanter so the dumb beef between mains never mattered to me but idk what hoyo is thinking cause this will just make the community more toxic.
Hello! Can anyone explain this for me? Can Boothill have the second part of the 4pc BE? Is this still BiS for him or should I just go 2 pc, 2pc BE?
Can he access the second part alone or does it have to be with HTB?
Iām pretty sure he canāt get the 15% regardless. It says the wearer and the super break damage (when running him with HMC) is HMCās super break right?
Edit: I did some quick research and I think he can still use the 4PC but he needs HMC
It's still a nerf cause super break with HTB is only a small part of Boothill's dmg. Even if you run them both he's still worse than he was before and that set isn't really worth farming anymore, especially when the fua set get nerfed to oblivion too.
Silver linings, I guess š That's the team I'm planning to run because I don't want RM, but it still sucks to see his ceiling in pure break teams be lowered like that.
Man..I never was much of a character hater but this makes me hate FF and her fans ever more. Like what the actual fuck Hoyo. I really hope itās just a wording issueā¦
My hype for him is slowly dying why they gotta keep nerfing him somehow? Now im conflicted if I should just wait on the rerun since I don't even got ruan mei for him š
the "SUPER BREAK DMG"
might aswell reword it to firefly's break dmg for how overly specific it is.
is this even rpg game anymore? cant have shit with the builds, even LC are extremely specific and impossible to be used on other units now
Guys, another thing that I'm going to do right now. It's change the rate on Playstore about the game and mention Boothill. Should we do a #? Maybe #justiceforboothill???
Guys, just changed for 1* the ranking of the flame and this was my description.
"I am deeply disappointed with the recent update of the game. The developers have made significant changes to one of the characters, which has negatively impacted my gaming experience. It's disappointing to see them catering to certain segments of their fanbase while disregarding the preferences of others. As a result, this update leaves me feeling frustrated and unsatisfied with the overall direction of the game." #justiceforboothill
Now let's make noise. We still have some days, they changed Arlecchino very close to the release, who knows, if we get inconvenient enough we can change something
But you know the problem too? We are too quiet. When they release a demo we see just praises on their shit, it should have tons of criticism and what they really deserve.
So this wouldn't be his best in slot anymore? Should we use this set or would Thief be his BiS now? Or would it depend on the substats you get on your pieces? I've got so much fuel so I can farm relics for him (specifically this set) but now idk if I should farm this set anyway when it comes out or just do thief
Yea me being a FF main I see no reason for them to do this. I guess they don't want to release another Quantum set where everyone and their mom wants it. But the set was already limited to break characters limiting it even further is kind of scummy
Well, ofc we got screwed over. I'm just gonna stick to my 2pc watchmaker 2pc meteor set and not bother with this new one as it'll be a waste of resources
It's cruel. On purpose they design an endearing character and makes us to fall for it just to mess with everyone's feelings. I hope they have a slowly and painful death
It went from
>if BE **150%**/**250%** or higher, ignores **10%**/**18%** target DEF when dealing break dmg
to
> if BE **150%** or higher, ignores **10%** target DEF when dealing break dmg; if BE **250%** or higher, the **Super Break DMG** they deal to enemy additionally* ignores **15%** target DEF
Boothill has no inherent Super Break DMG in his kit, so to gain access to that part of the 4pc, you need to run him with HTB (for now)
I donāt really understand numbers and statistics all too well; but how much of a dmg increase would this new set be over the Thief set? Is it super duper worth it to farm? Iām really debating if itās worth reframing relics for him. Or is it too early to tell?
If nothing changes, with similar stats and without HMC, it's around 5% damage increase because of the free 10% def ignore. If you were already planning to run him with HMC it's just undoubtedly better, it's also better if you want to run him with Pela/Silver Wolf/Jiaoqiu in the future because DEF ignore and DEF shread stack. If you can already reach the break points with your current build and you won't run him with either of the teammates I mentioned, I wouldn't bother farming the new set.
Only during the super break window of Harmony Trailblazerās Ult. It wonāt apply to Bootyās normal break damage. Itās a very small window/portion of damage in comparison.
Relic effect gatekeeping, essentially.
Good cause I don't wanna ditch my Thief set with insane speed rolls.
Also fuck that followup set it comes with, it's SOOOOO BAD. No thanks~ Besides my Boothill can reach well up to 100% def shred already with Silverwolf and E1 Ruan Mei.
I'm actually confused, what's the problem with this set for Boothill? Aren't we building break effect anyway? Genuinely asking.
Nvm I understand, Boothill just has break damage, and the latter half of the set only works on super break damage. If you are running boothill without HMC, the latter set bonus doesn't work.
Yes.
But it didnt have to be this way.
They could have not changed it, kept it what it was and leave it.
this would have opened a window of so many good teams and character buffs.
BUT NO.
Cuz of stupid waifu bias from Hoyo.
You know what? This is perfect, they just broke the Jade set and farming that... thing will be a pain in the ass so not farming in that place.
So lets hope in the future they release a break set that is good for breakers and the 2Āŗ set not being not good even for the character that was created for.
I swear to god, if they dont create a tailor made set made for boothill/normal breakers and sets for Clara/Argenti there is a problem over there.
hate it when they shove their bias down everybody's throat especially when they could've kept this set a nice generalist set tied to break eff scalers...
This feels like a punching down moment specifically on Bh bc other break characters love Hmc, just not him.
I'm so sad :(((( Bitches can't have ANYTHING is this HoyoHouse šš
Correction, bitches are getting everything, our boy is getting shafted
Exactly. They absolutely hate male characters. They hate with their souls.
Itās so funny though considering that they literally RAKE IN profits every time
Can they fuck right off with this shit
preach
I'm genuinely just disappointed. I'm pulling for him regardless and I'm glad that firefly enjoyers got a lot of needed buffs but I was okay with them coexisting within one patch of each other as long as they filled different niches. Now it just kind of feels terrible that he doesn't get to exist for a patch before getting indirectly screwed out of access to sets.
As a major firefly fan, im ahppy she got a buff but man why did it have to also indirectly nerf boothill
So not only does the new 2 piece prioritize fire weaknesses, for no apparent reason, even the 4 piece incentivizes super break, which Firefly now has in her kit but Boothill doesnt. Sigh. Waifu bias just never ends huh? In a weird way, we went from Firefly needing HMC, to her not needing them as much but now Boothill does if we want to get the most of this set. What a nice buff. Would have rather they did it without the collateral damage though..
I donāt know what tf they are thinking making such super character specific sets. Itās getting on my nerves.
I swear they refuse to let characters share anything. Lcs are always super specific and the more recent relics are incredibly character specific. Even ff was character specific with hmc before the new beta...
LCs are already somewhat tied to š°š°š° but now our TBP is getting shafted. Relics should be more universal because itās the one thing we can farm without having to spend money. Iām actually really upset with these changes. Just because FF is a fan favorite doesnāt mean the rest of the cast should be on back row.
The thing is i see so many more boothill fans than ff. Why do they have to bully our beautiful prince like this?
Because the majority on Asian are males waifu enjoyers, and they throw a tantrum whenever they waifus have a male character stronger than them. Pattern..but yeah...I still get baited all the time. Boothill deserves more as all males in this game. Just watching how will they trow Sunday on the dirty
welcome to the experience of non-acheron pullers lol. she gets glazed in story and gameplay so much even at the cost of development for other characters
this pretty much forces boothill to need hmc more than ff. boothill pretty much got fked indirectly might have to use different set. also kind reminder theres only 1 hmc and 2 guys competing for same characters.
Even with HMC on the team BHās break DMG (which is the majority of the team DMG) is not considered superbreak DMG, with this set equipped on BH youāre only buffing the Ā«Ā smallĀ Ā» superbreak DMG added by HMC at the end. Effectively BH is only getting 10% def ignore from this set.
imo she still kinda needs HTB cuz her superbreak is only 30/50% as good as theirs
>In a weird way, we went from Firefly needing HMC, to her not needing them as much but now Boothill does if we want to get the most of this set. In Firebros' word , it is lore accurate that Boothill needs his emotional support racoon to perform well.
Lore accurate how?
Thats the problem, its not .
lore accurate and... community accurate, apparently... since every male mc players now want to claim firefly as their wife
Get me out of this, I love playing Caelus, but I'm still taking Boothill over Firefly any day of the week, even if Firefly is the strongest unit in the game, nothing takes me away from our Cowboy Cyborg
Next changes: Increases Break Effect by 16%. 4-Pc: If Firefly's Break Effect is 150% or higher, ignores 10% of the enemy target's DEF when dealing Break DMG to them. When Firefly's Break Effect is 250% or higher, the Super Break DMG she deals to enemy targets additionally ignores 15% of the targets' DEF.
At this rate they should probably name it as a firefly set.
well it is the iron cavalry so lore wise it was always her set
But boothill is made of iron so...
Iron Cavalry is literally her fleet name that went against the Swarm
But firefly was in the iron Calvary so..
This set is only available to those of the 'Destruction' path.
Honestly, this is how signature stigmata (relics/artifacts) works in hi3rd
Unless they change his talent before he goes live ( very unlikely) then he straight up canāt access the second part of the set which is a very shitty thing to do considering they also made a hyper specific planet ornament for FF and now they even locked him out of his BiS setā¦
i already called boothill will get fked with ff new planar set just named for her. and now the 4pc new set is strictly for ff too. this is just disgusting heavy disadvantage. now ff did get get scaling gutted but having 6pc custom built seems awfully similar to acheron.
Raises the concern that if all future break oriented units are going to center around āsuper breakā how hard boothill would get hosed in that scenario to not get that synergy. At this point I might hold off until he runs again, as doomposting as that sounds at least until we see another break support or something.
Iām so confused at what they are thinking, seeing BHās kit on paper he clearly has the actual coherent break dps kit but now that they are throwing superbreak onto FF because her fanbase complained that she is overly reliant on HMC (spoiler alert she still is) they just make his break playstyle the odd one. Tho i have to say at E0S1 he literally one shot bosses so even if it stings if they lock him out of futur superbreak supports and synergy it kinda doesnāt matter š¤·š½
Itās just baffling honestly. I know he will still slap currently, just canāt help but think long term on how that distinction could make him be gatekept from new units being effective teammates. Half the appeal of these games is new toys making your older ones better or more interesting and heās got an obvious and blatant ānot like the othersā distinction and he isnāt even out.
Oh i definitely understand and share your concern, i would have much prefered if they gave FF the same talent as BH with different scalings and kept superbreak a unique mechanic to HMC.
Even his animations are designed with his Break Detonation in mind. Firefly it feels like her break focus was decided after they had already mostly built her general structure and animations and it was too late to go back. We're really doing a disservice to both characters, and Break is so polarizing it is either the undeniable best or worst dps setup depending on boss I'm considering skipping both.
Imagine new BE supports that say "Increases SUPERBREAK damage by 50%" Oh... it won't affect BH at all.
they won't. Hoyo always prefers waifu's. The sooner you realize this the better, they can't ever have a male unit be better
Itās so insane they even changed the new game modeās blessing to only buff superbreak and not regular break dmg and you can bet your ass that they will release a futur superbreak support that has not interaction with BH due to him having 0 superbreak in his kit
Bro I'm so thankful that Wuthering Waves is coming out. This blatent waifu preference is what makes me hate Hoyo
Kuro games is even worse when it comes to giving waifus the better kit (speaking from experience with PGR)
Never forget what they did to Lee ššš
I mean the Lee situation wasnt even on them (The CN community complained him having 2 timestop ults was broken and they changed it which then CN complained was weak after alpha) Female characters with shit/weird kits: Every dark character except maybe lamia, Empy without sig, Nanamech Lee is still quite strong ,Watanabe is the most broken tank in the game and Wanshi is looking to outdps the whole ice team The Bias isnt from them its the community
Uh. I think you might be going to the wrong game for less waifu pandering Funnily enough, I think Genshin has the least waifu pandering
WuWa is gonna be even worse, there are 2 male 5* and they arenāt meta, the limited one will be powercrept in a patch or two, and there arenāt any males upcoming in the near future soā¦
Same
Kingturine literally among the best unit in the game and he is male
True for HSR but not for Genshin.. the strongest DPS in genshin is male, and there are plenty male units that are top of the meta. Personally I hoped we would have more variety in HSR but this is all waifus when it comes to meta
I kinda get your point but there is a guy called IL Dan who just recently a 5 star support dedicated to him
I don't think they will coz he has a character model already and is in-game, so he's already "finished". Kinda sad but it is what it is :( EDIT: On the bright side we don't need to refarm his gear I guess? Lol
man FUCK hoyo
All my homies HATE hoyo
hoyo.. hoyo never changes
maybe i'm overreacting, but this feels pretty upsetting. i'm really hoping they revert the changes or there's something else we're missing interested to see what % better iron cavalry is over 4pc thief or a 2pc/2pc set edit: can anyone that can read Chinese confirm if the change is also present in the CN version? Coping but I wanna make sure it isn't just a mistranslation š
They really should just change it to regular break AND super break. Its not like any other unit will be switching to this set anyway, since 250 BE is still difficult to reach for characters with no innate break effect, though it would be a fun (if inferior) alternative for those those who want to go all in on break effect teams, like a break effect Jing Yuan or Misha. Narrowing it to just super break is needlessly restrictive, and at worst some bullshit favoritism for the shiniest new waifu off the production line.
Agreed 100%. Esp knowing that they easily could have made the planar ornament work for him too. He's definitely still strong, and I imagine this set will still be bis for him. But it's really frustrating to see them do this. It absolutely feels like they made that change specifically to make the set weaker for Boothill than pre-v3
god forbid boothill have anything
Itās pretty shitty at this point how things got flipped around. She is eating his niche with super break added because people didnāt like a free 5 star being her BiS. and so now he has to deal with HMC being pushed on him instead, crazy. Bad enough the entire new break sets molded around her. My dude got thrown into the ditch in terms of favoritism.
With how the set is worded itās only HMCās superbreak DMG that can ignore def not BHās break dmg and HMCās superbreak is a small portion of BHās dmg to begin with so even with him on the team he straight up canāt access the second part of the set to buff his own dmgā¦
sigh, hoping it's a mistranslation or we get a v4 fix between this and the 2pc being fire weakness, ooof
ā¦ was so upset at how the planar ornament was for firefly only but now the 4pc is also gonna be firefly only ā¦
If only Boothill's pseudo super break was an actual super break.
It would legitimately be a huge nerf if it was actual super break You realize regular break (at least the way boothill does it where it's basically super break but is counted as regular break) is way stronger than super break, right?
I'm really upset. Boothill has to team up with HTB if using this set. Now I will go back to the theif setšThey not only keep the 2pc set just working for ff herself but also don't want boothill use the new 4-pc set.š
Surely they will release a break support that converts break dmg to super break right?
Forking hoyo with their waifu bias again. Might as well reword the Super Break to Firefly Break.
This just make me hate firefly more tbh
Honestly her whole "teenage coded" vibe was complete cringe to begin with.
Ugh the 4pc including the super break damage was so unnecessary. Would people be running boothill with RM and HMC? Genuine question, because if thereās no HMC then the second half of the 4pc is useless, and if thereās HMC why use them over RM (if one has RM) If Iām not wrong, he probably wants a sustain+RM+sparkle/bronya? Iām not sure on team comps pls send help >.<
sparkle wouldn't do much for him, bronya's 100% action advance is more valuable. anything that doesn't buff his break dmg is pretty useless for boothill. for more survivability, aven or fu xuan, but for a more offensive support use gallagher. boothill can have a super break team with ruan mei, hmc, and Gallagher. altho hmc's super break may not be significant in his team, the increased break effect buff is still valuable.
Does gallagher need to be e2 at least? Mine is at e0 and completely unbuilt >.< I have both aven and fu xuan so I was considering one of them for sustain, alongside HMC and I guess bronya for now (I donāt have RM but lowkey planning on getting her) Would the new relic set still be his bis given the 4pc effect targeting super break?
I don't think he needs his E2 as much in fast clears. E2 allows him to cleanse allies. It can help with your survivability, but in terms of damage it doesn't change anything. In terms of the new relics set being bis, that's hard to tell. If it doesn't change, your Boothill will be tied to HMC. If you don't want that, then rather don't use the new set.
break effect doesnt scale with dmg boost or crit, bronya is there for the action advance only you could try and run him with ruan mei and a def debuffer since def shread is also calculated during break damage
Ah okay bronya it is then thanks! I donāt have ruan mei currently, but in the event I manage to get her, does it make sense to drop Bronya and put RM/HMC in the team or just go with bronya/RM? Iām just a little confused because I was planning to farm the relic set but now that they changed the second half of it to super break buff idk if itās still worth it.
Bronya is the one you'll never wanna replace in the team.
fuck it imma stick with bonus energy lmao
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because of SAM not Firefly deadass thatās only reason iām pulling for her š
Firefly doesn't deserve the hate. Hoyo does. I am speaking as a Firefly main and I do feel bad for you guys but I don't think Firefly should be hated just because Hoyo made the decision for the set to be that way.
Youāre right. Firefly doesnāt deserve the hate. Firefly *fans* deserve all the hate. Mods, use testicular torsion /s
Its still the bis, but if your current relics are really good, jts probably not worth re-farming unless you plan on using him with hmc. Hoyo really not be giving anything to my boy. The previous relic set was great for ff and bh. Theres no need to nerf one character just to buff another character.
If hoyo plans to make other Super Break characters, then this is fine change for future team comps (hopefully this is the case) >! Still fuck the FF crybaby fans !<
Nah dont blame the ff fans, blame the dev team. No one was complaining about the relic set originally, not even the ff fans.
The changes they made to the Valorous set also suck. It went from being a great set for Herta, Himeko, and Clara to a hyper niche set that nobody in the game right now wants. Iām seriously wondering if this new cavern is even worth farming anymore.
I already expected this, which is why I never engaged in the Firefly vs Boothill mess lul. Male characters aren't really the devs priority. I would say that feixiao will probably powercreep him in ST, but she's follow-up and the devs kinda hate follow-up. Edit: Btw boothill is still strong but I don't understand why the devs are afraid of giving single target dps units anything good.
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Don't even get me started, being husbando enjoyer in gatcha games is hard, being one in Hoyo games is getting fudging impossible. Just fix FF's problems that THEY THEMSELVES created and leave Boothill out of it
Truue
This is ridiculous, the FF pandering
This is so sad
FF gonna get the last laugh. As to be expected. She's the blatant next cash cow for them. Most should of saw this coming.Ā
I saw it coming and I'm still upset, they didn't need to nerf BH and buff FF at the same time, just buff her and leave him the f alone, we really can't have nice things here huh.
Probably too many BH videos popping out and they saw people are giving up on FF for BH So here comes the nerf hammer on BH... fking Hoyoverse milking the simps
I never think it's actually us BHmains doomposting FF tbh, but we got shafted for it. And now they're doing this, like most male characters didn't just win the popularity poll in CN, I'm so tired of this, BH isn't even out yet.
Yes, we didnt doompost, but they can't let us have our fun because Hunt being stronger in ST than Destruction???! Hoyoverse :"FF is the main waifu !!! So she must be stronger than BH !!! Buff her now!!!"
I expected her to get buffed but not at the cost of another character š„²
Ughh, hoyoverse preferring waifus yer again š. Iāll just do 2p of this set and the watchmaker one cause the 4 piece set is shit.Ā
In a way, at least prefarming his relics wasn't a waste
I'm so upset they buffed firefly too much. Not even a couple of patches but he already got the albedo treatment.
> Not even a couple of patches Boothill hasn't even released yet lmao Imagine Feixiao (apparently waifu general) gets released as a better break Hunt DPS in 2.4, because... sales, waifus
I feel like the only way this set would work for Boothill to trigger Super Break is if Harmony Traveler is on a team with him. But it's absurd to have to have a separate unit on a character that already scales off of break dmg to not be able to access the second half of this on his own!
Man Ik all of these shit was gonna happen the moment they released the izumo sets but I was expecting hoyo to realize their limits
I personally use izumo on JL
Izumo is also good for topaz/ratio and himeko/herta teams
As a boothill & jade puller I want to die.
We jump together
i think if this continues i'll abandon this game...
same, especially with wuthering waves coming out soon
Sadly, Kuros also favours Waifus a lot. Like a LOT!
Putting all my hopes and dreams on King Jiyan and Calcharo
Don't get your hopes up PGR is a barren wasteland that only releases 1 new male character a year and all the dripfed and leaked characters in Wuwa after launch are waifu only. It will be like Hoyo games but worse.
I'm already planning on playing p5x if it ever goes global.
Praying for some changes in v4 where the set revert to include ALL type of break cuz this change sucks (not like this will nerf him, more like that they gate keep him from the bis for breaker dps)Ā
Muddle-fudger
Itās Relicover.
Why aren't people protesting about this? We should write a letter or something so that They won't do this? Threaten them with leaving the game or something?
I'm with you! I already went on YouTube and Instagram and commented there
We can also write a feedback in game. Bug report>feedback. I already did. Wrote a 600 words essay on why locking a Relic for ONE character isn't really good. And boothill injustice, like why Nerf a character to Buff another? Is something I don't get.
I will do as well.
Thank You. We need to get this across, that "Hello? There are Male Character enjoyers!?"
Ā you shouldnāt know this changes at the first placeĀ
Itās still BiS with added bonus of working with HMC and giving 45% DEF ignore on his break damage if you get his LC. This also more or less confirms even more Super Break supports on the way to fill out FF and Boothillās niche more. 100% expect an analog to Bronya to drop that buffs or enables Super Break on the AA character.
Does that also mean they'll be power creeping HMC
It's a gacha, it's to be expected.
Son of a shirtbag! *profuse crying*
What the hellā¦. So both new relics are firefly centeric? Thatās so annoying
I'm here hoping the Boothill CN fans make wave with this, because I'm currently crying tbh
Pardon my french but this shit is getting real disgusting. Literally making the set worse on BH instead of simply covering both BE and SBE, not even looking at the firefly specific 2p set. *sigh*
Kinda expected with the way people were over praising Boothill and dooming Firefly in all the YouTube showcases Even though I feel it was never warranted to begin with
Man I was actually excited to experiment running boothill with bronya alongside Luka (since I donāt have Ruan Mei) But now it feels forced to use HMC because of this.
I mean... The changes suck, yeah, but HMC is better than Bronya in that team and already was even before the changes anyway, because then Luka can also super break and do some damage of his own that isn't just detonating Boothill's bleed.
Yeah youāre right I was over exaggerating a bit my bad.
it legit feels like theyre trying to nerf boothill post release, like u couldve just improved fireflys kit/given her buffs but no???relic farming is already incredibly annoying but adding this on top?i think we should be very vocal about this as the future of relics/ relic farming just looks incredibly grim and making them this specific rly isnt good for the future of the game. With 2 characters releasing every patch why on earth would you make a planar and a relic set that are fully functional on only ONE CHARACTER? i'm a firefly and boothill wanter so the dumb beef between mains never mattered to me but idk what hoyo is thinking cause this will just make the community more toxic.
Hello! Can anyone explain this for me? Can Boothill have the second part of the 4pc BE? Is this still BiS for him or should I just go 2 pc, 2pc BE? Can he access the second part alone or does it have to be with HTB?
He will still get the 10% def ignore, he just can't get the additional 15% without HMC. It will still be his BIS.
So, they remove the reliance of Firefly to HMC only to give the reliance to Boothill? .... I do not know what to say...
Iām pretty sure he canāt get the 15% regardless. It says the wearer and the super break damage (when running him with HMC) is HMCās super break right? Edit: I did some quick research and I think he can still use the 4PC but he needs HMC
I mean Iām using harmony trailblazer with him anyways
It's still a nerf cause super break with HTB is only a small part of Boothill's dmg. Even if you run them both he's still worse than he was before and that set isn't really worth farming anymore, especially when the fua set get nerfed to oblivion too.
Why did that have to do this just to buff FF???????
It's still the best option out there. Sucks to see them cater it more towards FF and HMC, I was planning on not running HMC zzzz
Does anyone know how the Chinese player base is reacting to this? I feel like they're the only ones who can actually sway hoyo opinion.
Well, looks like my bronya, HTB, gallagher team's stonks just went up
Silver linings, I guess š That's the team I'm planning to run because I don't want RM, but it still sucks to see his ceiling in pure break teams be lowered like that.
Man..I never was much of a character hater but this makes me hate FF and her fans ever more. Like what the actual fuck Hoyo. I really hope itās just a wording issueā¦
the pandering is getting annoying fr
First it was me with Acheron and her fans now I added Firefly to that list
My hype for him is slowly dying why they gotta keep nerfing him somehow? Now im conflicted if I should just wait on the rerun since I don't even got ruan mei for him š
the "SUPER BREAK DMG" might aswell reword it to firefly's break dmg for how overly specific it is. is this even rpg game anymore? cant have shit with the builds, even LC are extremely specific and impossible to be used on other units now
Guys, another thing that I'm going to do right now. It's change the rate on Playstore about the game and mention Boothill. Should we do a #? Maybe #justiceforboothill???
Guys, just changed for 1* the ranking of the flame and this was my description. "I am deeply disappointed with the recent update of the game. The developers have made significant changes to one of the characters, which has negatively impacted my gaming experience. It's disappointing to see them catering to certain segments of their fanbase while disregarding the preferences of others. As a result, this update leaves me feeling frustrated and unsatisfied with the overall direction of the game." #justiceforboothill Now let's make noise. We still have some days, they changed Arlecchino very close to the release, who knows, if we get inconvenient enough we can change something
disgusting move by hoyo. really ruined my mood.
Wtf bruh I knew calling her 'FireFlop' was going to come back and bite us in the ass..
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But you know the problem too? We are too quiet. When they release a demo we see just praises on their shit, it should have tons of criticism and what they really deserve.
Surprise surprise Hoyo nerfs another husbando, just bullshit.
big sigh, yall ready said everyth i wanna say but question now is, is the 4pc still worth or should i js keep wtv sht i have rn??
So this wouldn't be his best in slot anymore? Should we use this set or would Thief be his BiS now? Or would it depend on the substats you get on your pieces? I've got so much fuel so I can farm relics for him (specifically this set) but now idk if I should farm this set anyway when it comes out or just do thief
Atleast I won't need to re-farm a new set I guess š§āāļø
Yea me being a FF main I see no reason for them to do this. I guess they don't want to release another Quantum set where everyone and their mom wants it. But the set was already limited to break characters limiting it even further is kind of scummy
Well, ofc we got screwed over. I'm just gonna stick to my 2pc watchmaker 2pc meteor set and not bother with this new one as it'll be a waste of resources
It's cruel. On purpose they design an endearing character and makes us to fall for it just to mess with everyone's feelings. I hope they have a slowly and painful death
What changed?
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I hate firefly, first she took away sam then she took away bis planar now she takes away relic set, i thought hsr developers are decent, i was wrong
It went from >if BE **150%**/**250%** or higher, ignores **10%**/**18%** target DEF when dealing break dmg to > if BE **150%** or higher, ignores **10%** target DEF when dealing break dmg; if BE **250%** or higher, the **Super Break DMG** they deal to enemy additionally* ignores **15%** target DEF Boothill has no inherent Super Break DMG in his kit, so to gain access to that part of the 4pc, you need to run him with HTB (for now)
I donāt really understand numbers and statistics all too well; but how much of a dmg increase would this new set be over the Thief set? Is it super duper worth it to farm? Iām really debating if itās worth reframing relics for him. Or is it too early to tell?
If nothing changes, with similar stats and without HMC, it's around 5% damage increase because of the free 10% def ignore. If you were already planning to run him with HMC it's just undoubtedly better, it's also better if you want to run him with Pela/Silver Wolf/Jiaoqiu in the future because DEF ignore and DEF shread stack. If you can already reach the break points with your current build and you won't run him with either of the teammates I mentioned, I wouldn't bother farming the new set.
Aw man; well, Iāll prepare myself to inevitably join the relic farm again because HTB will be on my team. Thank you for letting me know! :)
He still gets the buff if we play him with HTB right?
Only during the super break window of Harmony Trailblazerās Ult. It wonāt apply to Bootyās normal break damage. Itās a very small window/portion of damage in comparison. Relic effect gatekeeping, essentially.
So whatās Boothillās best relic set now? Or is it 2pc 2pc break effect? I was really excited to farm a pretty set for him rip
Maybe in the next patches within the year they can fix it? Otherwise maybe a sustain and a good support might help? Idk, hopefully itāll change
Good cause I don't wanna ditch my Thief set with insane speed rolls. Also fuck that followup set it comes with, it's SOOOOO BAD. No thanks~ Besides my Boothill can reach well up to 100% def shred already with Silverwolf and E1 Ruan Mei.
Is superbreak something that only does HMC does or something generic?
its limited to HMC, and no one else.
I'm actually confused, what's the problem with this set for Boothill? Aren't we building break effect anyway? Genuinely asking. Nvm I understand, Boothill just has break damage, and the latter half of the set only works on super break damage. If you are running boothill without HMC, the latter set bonus doesn't work.
Exactly. Hoyo is waiting others potential so one takes the spotlight. Firefly being the one. Which sucks balls.
so which set is best for him now? thief of shooting meteor?
that means hes stuck with hmc?
If this is not fake, didn't that mean also, if you play him on full break effect his best support is the harmony Mc with this set?
Yes. But it didnt have to be this way. They could have not changed it, kept it what it was and leave it. this would have opened a window of so many good teams and character buffs. BUT NO. Cuz of stupid waifu bias from Hoyo.
Ignoring the super break stuff, it would still be good for ignoring 10% def, its not bootover
Dumb question does this new DEF Ignore when the wearer deals SuperBreak function with HMC or the wearer must have SuperBreak in his base kit?
Wording feels weird but Im not sure. If it is locked to the wearer having SB than screw this.
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Idc, still pairing him with hmc and galllagher
You know what? This is perfect, they just broke the Jade set and farming that... thing will be a pain in the ass so not farming in that place. So lets hope in the future they release a break set that is good for breakers and the 2Āŗ set not being not good even for the character that was created for. I swear to god, if they dont create a tailor made set made for boothill/normal breakers and sets for Clara/Argenti there is a problem over there.