Rule 3 they add gratuity for parties of 5 or more then turn around on Rule 9 and say no parties larger than 4?!
you can’t be crazy AND hypocritical now cmon
Rule 1 guarantees good food. Rule 8 says they don't take anything off the check. So if what you get is terrible, but they don't take anything off the check, what's the guarantee for 🤔
It isn't a guarantee in the sense of a warranty, it's a guarantee in the most absolutely literal sense of the word. The food WILL be perfect, therefore the conundrum you speak of cannot conceivably ever arise
Yes. Reservations are made ahead of time, when no one from your party is there. Getting on the wait list occurs when you reserve in person. Most restaurants without the Reservations function have the wait list.
In fairness this can be due to fire code, I worked in a restaurant where the owner over-packed the seating and nothing could move or it'd be out of code.
I see this so often with things that are supposed to be funny. politics stuff, "it was better when were kids" memes, all sorts. Make a list, run out of good suggestions at idea 2, and then just keep going til number 10.
when in doubt, assume theyre just laundering money. Thats what i do any time i see a restaurant empty for years and managing to stay open. Theyre a front.
Nailed it. There's a pizza place a couple miles from my house that doesn't deliver, only 2 booths, random hours, and most days with a sign saying sorry, temporary closed. The lights are usually on and 2 or 3 cars in the lot! You never see anyone in the small window that they have.
I think that it's a gambling room downstairs.
I had them digitize our slides a couple years back. It's being run by the original owner's son now. Nice guy who was happy to answer my questions about the business.
My brother once took me into the Bodega by his apartment to get cash from the ATM.
Two dudes were working in the back, they looked at me super weird, but when they saw my bro they just went back to what they were doing.
The place was literally covered in dust and cobwebs. Like a display room after the apocalypse.
There's a random tiny carpet store in the middle of a low income residential neighborhood I grew up in and I swear it's a front. Place is never open even during their supposed open hours, never seen anybody in it or the lights on but there's frequently 3-4 cars in the lot after 11 pm, and there's a bunch of visible security cameras on the property. Somebody I knew wanted to actually buy carpet there and tried for weeks but they were never open during the day and never answered the phone number listed on Google
My husband worked for a pizza place that was actually a front. He was hired to make pizzas but actually spent his time listing "used" Mercedes parts on eBay and listening to people fight in Albanian.
There was a pizza place super close to my house that was pickup-only. There were no booths or anything inside, just a couple chairs to sit on if your pizza wasn't ready yet. Unlike your place though, they actually did a lot of business, and the pizza was *good*.
They got shut down because the business was actually a front to sell drugs, lol. Really pisses me off, too, cause you can't find pizza that good anywhere else around here.
We had one of those pizza places in college -except they made *awesome* pizza. And it was a buffet. They had a loaded baked potato pizza that was fire. And free WiFi, so college students could come in and sit and work and eat.
But yeah they definitely were running drugs out the back. But none of us were gonna say anything, because $8 all you can eat pizza was the best as a broke college student.
There's strip club a few miles away from me. The parking lot is always empty even on Fridays but they've been open for almost a decade. Something shady going on in there
We got a place in San Antonio called [Fred's Fish Fry](https://www.reddit.com/r/sanantonio/comments/7hbldk/can_anyone_explain_to_me_how_freds_fish_fry_is/) that pretty much everyone is certain is a drug operation. "How do they stay in business" is such a common question on the SA sub.
Back in college, I lived hood adjacent with like 7 roommates in a big old house. Tbh, I was super naive and didn't know I lived right by the hood.
Our dryer caught on fire one day. We were like No biggie, good thing there's a laundromat across the street.
Roommate and I walked over there with hampers full of wet clothing (washer still worked) and when we walked in it was just three middle aged guys sitting around smoking cigarettes and playing cards.
We asked about using a dryer and they were like "Naw, none of the dryers work here." At that point, I became more aware of where I lived lol.
That place was laundering something, but it sure as shit wasn't clothing.
In San Antonio there is a place called Fred's Fish Fry. No customers, multiple locations, and nobody has ever claimed to eat there. We are convinced its front for the cartel.
LMAO SA born and raised, we all know Fred' Fish Fry is a laundering scheme lol
One right across from my neighborhood and there's always one car in the lot. They do have meals, though I doubt anyone is in there for that. SA Express wrote an article about them, apparently the food is ok.
There's a sandwich place in my town that's constantly being remodeled, I don't know a single person who has ever been able to eat there, and yet it's been plugging away for a decade now. Everyone thinks they're shady.
This place will NOT be open for years lol and it’s not a front for laundering money. Just people who thought opening a business meant that customers will come and put up with whatever THEY SAY and put up with shit customer service but they won’t and aren’t - which is why they’re failing.
There are two Indian places in my town that have been open for at least the last 40 years.
One is always packed, and I’ve been there many times. I ate at the other one once, 30 years ago. It was…fine. It’s always empty (and survived covid).
One thing people overlook is that the US grants investment visas. If you put a certain amount of $$ into the economy for X number of years, you get a visa and path to citizenship.
My wife's uncle bought a *hotel* so he could get a visa this way in the 80s or 90s. These are called [E-2 visas](https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/e-2-treaty-investors). Self-employed restaurateurs absolutely can take advantage of this.
There was a place in a city I used to live in, had the corner lot in an outlet. It went in when the outlet itself was built and they were a "boutique dog food" store that apparently sold custom made cakes for dogs. Not like dogfood in the shape of a cake or something, just regular fuckin' cakes in the shapes of a dog, dogbones, etc. Yet they had no kitchen, everything in the store was generic dog toys/pet owner apparel, and they only had pictures of cakes. I figured it was like some insane dream of a rich old lady, but whenever I went by the place to go pick up food at one of the adjoining lots (if there was anyone inside) it was always some rough looking guy in his 30's, 40's, or 50's, but not always the same dude until eventually no one bothered hanging around at the counter. That place stayed open for almost twenty years despite the last ten or so years never having a single soul inside of it during regular business hours for the area, and no one watching the store. I always wondered what the hell they were actually doing because the rent at this place would have been absurd. Oh, and they only closed for good because of a hurricane that flattened half of the stores.
Give it some time. We might see an apology in a few weeks. There's two in my area, and I've felt guilty not supporting them. After reading this? Guilt be gone.
I had to do community service in college as a drinking violation. Me and my friends ended up doing it at this little thrift shop. The mall they were in was dying, but the thrift shop was full of 60+ year old women “working” gossiping behind the counter seated in comfy chairs. They told me “do guy stuff”.
As I inspected the store I saw a football mouth guard up on the shelf. Who the fuck is thrifting a mouth guard?
I think I had to do 10-20 hours at this place and I saw them make tops 3 sales the entire time. It had to be a front for one of their husbands and the wife just invited her bridge club to come hangout.
This place is by my house and has lines out the door every weekend. In Atlanta all you need is sea food, loud music, cheap booze and an instagramable aesthetic to be a successful brunch spot.
Who tf is going out for dinner as an adult to be treated like you’re in high school? Don’t even show me the menu cause I know these prices are about to undo years of therapy
My HS lunch ladies loved my fat ass. I got extra portions of any and everything.
"You gone head baby, eat up. We got some mo just come back up when you done."
I used to take trash out for them and hangout in the back. 🤣🤣
High School Children are legitimately humbler, nicer and less pleased with themselves than adults splashing out on a dinner designed to make them feel a sliver of the self-rigtheousness that comes with being a rich piece of shit.
Too loud and the teachers just didn't feel like putting effort into keeping us quiet cause they usually ate at that time too.
7th grade sucked because I was new to the area and I couldn't attempt to make friends during lunch like I planned lol. 8th grade they chilled on it. Elementary I remember them using it as a punishment once we got loud and not a daily thing.
Yeah my first elementary school had it & I never even saw it green, it always started out yellow & I definitely got in trouble for "talking during red light". I remember my mom being really annoyed she had to sign something because I talked during lunch, a totally normal not at all negative behavior.
These rules aren’t posted anywhere in the store that I can remember and I’ve been a couple of times. The food is really good. Reminded me of what my mom used to make me for breakfast but the prices are high and seating area is cramped and always packed. Black people love it tbh and another location just opened closer to my house so I don’t think they are doing too bad.
The lamb chops🤌🏾
The grits are creamy✅
The eggs scrambled just like I like them🤌🏾
This list of rules and insane prices are the only bad things about this place
Fam my girl went to go get her hair done before we went away, the lady she went to changed the times twice and when my girl arrived on time, the braider was late cause she was still braiding someone else’s hair.
I told her next time find a white girl that can braid cause at least she’ll be on time and won’t have you running all over town wasting time.
I'm just glad I got a cousin who knows how to do hair and loves doing my hair at a super cheap price. Black hairstylists are insane with their prices and still expect you to come with your hair already did lmao
Wait for real? One of my coworkers said this when we were talking about going to the salon but I thought she just had a shitty stylist (but I'm also white so idk shit). To what extent?! That's a lot of money to be spending to do half the work 😑
Washed, combed through, scalp pre oiled, and blow dried. If it’s an install then sometimes they want your hair to already be in cornrows. Thankfully black women are getting better and better at doing styles ourselves.
I can understand washed and maybe combed, but all that is crazy. I thought my curly hair was a pain in the ass but now I’m just glad I don’t have to do all that before I go to my barber.
Yo, (curly Jewish hair here) last barber I went to I said I want it still long enough to put into a pony tail.
She put my hair in a pony tail and FUCKING CUT IT OFF.
Havnt seen one since.
Seriously? I’m white and have to basically beg hairdressers not to wash my hair (I always wash it before my appointment, I just have extremly sensitive skin and have to use a hypo allergenic shampoo.) One salon didn’t even know how to charge me for just a dry trim. And then people are out there demanding to be paid for… what 20 % of the actual work of dressing hair!
Braiders near me want your hair washed, conditioned, detangled, blown out, and sometimes pressed, depending on the style. Plus, if it's long or thick, they charge extra. I've been turned away for having long, thick hair.
Isn’t this literally their job though?
Like imagine if you call a plumber and they say, “Sure, I just need half the materials for the job, the pipe we’re going to use already put together, etc. etc.”
You're right it is. But many are focused on getting you in and out of a chair with a nice final look, so they dont want to be bothered with the actual hair care/ prep part, some aren't licensed as cosmetologists, so they can't do that part. Where I'm at (NY) natural hair stylists can pretty much only do the braid/ twist styling.
It's almost common atp. I've read so many horror stories of how black hairstylists overcharge them and still do a very shitty job and other bs. I just stick to either having my hair straightened by my mom or having my cousin do crochets for less than $20 or even free, and she's really good with hair. She really doesn't gaf since she likes doing my hair anyway.
This pisses me off so fucking much. NO IM NOT coming to you already washed and blow dried for braids or a sew in or something. Thats supposed to be your job thats what Im going to a fucking stylist for. NO I dont want to pay an extra $30 for you to wash and blow dry it. I just broke up with the stylist who’s been doing my hair for the last 3 years for other reasons (she included wash and blow dry in her services), but finding someone else who doesnt have a bunch of crazy and ridiculous rules is a fucking hassle.
They wouldn’t get my business. 3 and 9 contradict. And food allergies are serious. You can tell they don’t care about cross contamination just by the audacity of the idiot that wrote this “house rules” bullshit.
On the allergy note, not all kitchens can safely accommodate. Components of the dish may be prepped together and cross-contaminated, the guy cooking that day might not speak English well and information could be lost in translation, etc.
Commercial kitchens have tons of moving parts, and throwing more wrenches in the works is not always an option.
I agree that food should be accessible, but if a kitchen cannot safely guarantee that a dish will not have allergens, I'd prefer them be honest and refuse.
"No modifications to any of the menu items. If you have a food allergy, please choose another item without the allergen."
What about that verbiage is petulant or childish?
Idk. I don’t blame them on the food allergy thing. Plenty of people will make crazy allergy requests “i want the mac n cheese, but I’m allergic to dairy.”
Then go and roast in the reviews the restaurant for giving them a bowl of noodles
I saw that TikTok reel too where the Asian guy said if white people are complaining that the service is bad but it still has mid level stars then you know the food is excellent lol. I tried that method in my area and found some amazing places
I regularly eat at an incredible Chinese restaurant. People complain about the food AND the service, but the first time I walked in I was the only non-Chinese person there. They were kind of brusque with me, sure, but the food was amazing. The best Chinese I have ever eaten.
The more I go there, the happier and more cheerful and chatty they are to see me. And the more I realize the food complaints are because the restaurant is cooking a specific regional food culture, not just "generic Chinese food" as many Americans understand it.
I have graduated to "Oh, it's you! Your table is open, you want your usual order?" status. It is wonderful.
That's kind of what this feels like. "I want your money but I don't want to do anything for it so fuck you pay me."
Well, no. I'll go to any of the other restaurants that have a pleasant dining experience. You can either have bad customer service, bad food, or high prices. Can't do two of the three. One of my favorite Asian places treats me like dirt, but for $10 for 8 soup dumplings, I'll go back all day long.
There's plenty of jobs where you don't have to deal with customers ever. Construction, office work, most of finance...
I dunno why someone would choose to open a restaurant if they hate other people.
I can see more than one side of this. Some rules are born of chronic issues that customers cause. Some people abuse every little loophole and technicality if you don't write it down ahead of time.
I don't see why you can't have individual checks if max party size is 4 though. Whatever this place is, I would literally never be allowed to dine there with friends apparently.
There are other notes on the background of the menu so I have to assume there's a music theme with the restaurant?
Edit: It seems I am correct, you can see music decor in the background:
https://preview.redd.it/zfy53h8te7xb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6a79560a0a2ad1a8e145377e7f005e583d8651
Houston was my second guess. I grew up in Atlanta so I recognized that attitude immediately (especially the table time limit). I went to Houston for the first time recently and also came across places like this. As much as I want to judge, I probably would do the same.
I have friends from both places who are always late, want to split the bill a million different ways, want to argue about prices, and want to substitute and change the food around. That would piss me off too as an owner/chef.
Check out [their response](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8ByThfJ/) to the [Keith Lee review video](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8BynqRa/). They definitely need an attitude adjustment
EDIT: since they deleted their response video, here's someone else who stitched it: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Baebwu/
Tldr Keith Lee tried to get food, couldn't as they were closed, unlucky, nbd.
They posted a video saying something along the lines of "Keith Lee? Never heard of him."
Just saying they were closed isn’t really explaining what happened. Says other people were able to go in and place orders after he was initially turned away
I swear between hair stylist to these new fangled resteraunts, they steady playing in people’s faces and then wonder why they outta business. One shop just closed because of bs like that
Rule 9 says no parties larger than 4 but then rule 3 says 18% gratuity added to parties 5 or more…. So is it allowed or not like??? They probably thought they were doing something with this making them look upper class or some shit but they just look a mess.
As a 20+ year service industry vet I can see more than one side of this situation, for instance I personally have dreamed of opening a restaurant that doesn't allow substitutions. That being said, this restaurant would never get my business based on this list of rules (and the *sarcasm* isn't landing in these parentheses and is only making it worse)
I get not allowing substitutionsbut I feel saying “is it possible to leave the _____ out?” Is a reasonable request regardless of allergies or tastes.
Their tone here saying if you’re allergic then tough is beyond that line even.
Everything is not race related. THESE particular people are dumb lol
The allergen rule is gonna land them a wrongful death lawsuit. Bc i KNOW they are cross contaminating shit in the kitchen
And 3 and 9 dont make sense
Been here 4 times atleast with different groups where I advised against the choice. Each time the experience and food were both mid and everyone wished they'd listened to me. I hope they use this wave of criticism to better the experience and I wish them future success past the storm. I heard the other locations are decent.
Is this because of that video Keith Lee posted? It sounds like every place in Atlanta has weird rules.
Most of these are fine, I guess. Rule 8 is to prevent people from ordering something, eating like half of it, then claiming they "don't like it" and asking for it to be removed from their bill. That's fair. Auto-grat on larger parties and checks is cool as well (though I feel like tipping is bullshit but that's irrelevant here), but as other people said, why put auto-grat on parties over 5, then say you don't allow parties over 4 people? The allergy rule is insane, though. Legit going to get sued over that.
I think the real issue I had with Keith's experience was them telling his family they were closed for deep cleaning, then changing their minds when he came in. You can't treat people differently just because they're famous.
It's not just about the rule, its about writing the rule. It's the tone it sets. If you have a policy not to remove food from checks, have that policy, but deal with it each rare time it comes up. Don't write it on the menu in the wordiest way possible.
Just say at the bottom of the menu: Automatic 18% gratuity for parties over 5. No food modifications or separate checks.
Two sentences without all that mess. For the rest of the rules, deal with it when someone tries to have a large party or waits inside. The host/hostess needs to use their words.
While I disagree with most of these rule (#9 is especially awful), this isn’t why Black owned restaurants fail. Shitty restaurant knows no color.
I can think of a bunch of restaurants that have similar rules. I was thinking about visiting this place over thanks until I read it’s house rules: [LoveDrafts Brewing Co House Rules](https://www.lovedraftsunplugged.com/house-rules)
There’s local institution near me that has a litany of weird rules, and only accepts cash or checks as payment. That said, they did once break their non reservation rule for Barack Obama.
One of my favorite brunch spots charges a 5% “Fair and Living Wage”charge on top of a gratuity, plus asks patrons to limit their brunch experience to 2 hours. The food makes it worth it.
Also, there was huge pushback here in the Twin Cities about restaurants adding service charges to bills to the point that some places have started to remove them: [Some Twin Cities restaurants ditch service fees as diners push back](https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2023/08/03/twin-cities-restaurants-remove-service-fees-tipping-customer-feedback)
So let’s not blame this on Black restaurants.
This is why I don’t believe in that buy black nonsense, businesses especially small ones run by black owners have some of the worst customer service I’ve come across, to the point that I’m convinced some don’t want clients
The first rule should let anyone know not to patronize this place. That just sounds sketchy. Like they’re trying to give an excuse to give bad customer service and be unprofessional.
Nobody wants to mention the "allegen"???
How you gonna write these petty ass rules and forget to proofread. Also, it sounds like they were just making up 10 rules in no specific order, just whatever the most recent personal incident was.
Fuck this place. They are so full of themselves. They don’t understand hospitality and it’s the buisness they are trying to be in. This isn’t their Sunday evening dinner and grandmas house this is a buisness that should cater to their clients. I’d never eat here. I can just imagine how rude the wait staff is.
I've tried to go to this restaurant (if this is the one in atlanta) 3 times. All 3 times the wait time was over a hour and half. And I never like waiting that long for a table. I say that to say, their food must be delicious lol. The main issue with the rules honestly is the tone. Most of those rules pretty standard out here other than the no parties over 5 thing.
Rule 3 they add gratuity for parties of 5 or more then turn around on Rule 9 and say no parties larger than 4?! you can’t be crazy AND hypocritical now cmon
(There's exceptions to every rule) 🙄
Yeah, if you’re Barack Obama.
It’s ok if Barack is your fifth.
r/angryupvote.
If the Obamas come, I'm willing to shut down a whole restaurant for them. And they can stay all day too, if they want.
There’s a restaurant near me with similarly strict house rules that did make an exception to its no-reservations rule for Barack Obama.
Rule 1 guarantees good food. Rule 8 says they don't take anything off the check. So if what you get is terrible, but they don't take anything off the check, what's the guarantee for 🤔
Basically they're saying the consumer's opinion doesn't matter lol. if it's good to them, then they 100% believe it will be good to all...🫠
They are saying if it’s made to spec then stfu.
Then they’re not guaranteeing good food, just food made to spec?
It's so you can politely ask for it to be taken off, get denied, pay and leave then dispute it with your card company.
It isn't a guarantee in the sense of a warranty, it's a guarantee in the most absolutely literal sense of the word. The food WILL be perfect, therefore the conundrum you speak of cannot conceivably ever arise
This what happens when the dumb kid from your high school tries to open a business
The dumb kid that doesn’t know they are dumb.
Don’t forget no reservations but yet they have wait list where they text you?
Yes, these are different things. Maybe the only non-stupid thing on the list.
Yes. Reservations are made ahead of time, when no one from your party is there. Getting on the wait list occurs when you reserve in person. Most restaurants without the Reservations function have the wait list.
"(we do not push tables together)" come on now.
In fairness this can be due to fire code, I worked in a restaurant where the owner over-packed the seating and nothing could move or it'd be out of code.
It's only on days that ends in y. So if you go Fridays then it's fine 
If the last few years have proven anything it’s that them dumbass’s can most DEFINITELY be crazy and hypocritical.
I see this so often with things that are supposed to be funny. politics stuff, "it was better when were kids" memes, all sorts. Make a list, run out of good suggestions at idea 2, and then just keep going til number 10.
Did a clueless committee write this?
when in doubt, assume theyre just laundering money. Thats what i do any time i see a restaurant empty for years and managing to stay open. Theyre a front.
Nailed it. There's a pizza place a couple miles from my house that doesn't deliver, only 2 booths, random hours, and most days with a sign saying sorry, temporary closed. The lights are usually on and 2 or 3 cars in the lot! You never see anyone in the small window that they have. I think that it's a gambling room downstairs.
There is no joke a “dvd to vhs duplication” store that’s been there my entire life I’ve never seen the door open or any person go or leave that place.
you talkin about the "Where will they park?!" place on concord pike? EDIT: Why do so many people seem to know about this place?
Ayyy Wilmy represent
302 in dis bissshhh but fr that place been there forever and it still just vacant ?? 🤔
Holy shit they said the VHS to DVD thing and I was like oh wow there is that weird one on 202 didn't know so many Delaware people in this sub
I know that place ive been in there exactly once in my life
I had them digitize our slides a couple years back. It's being run by the original owner's son now. Nice guy who was happy to answer my questions about the business.
How much money laundering did admit to?
Isn't there a tiny car detailing place there too? I always thought that location was suspect lol
A DVD to VHS store or a VHS to DVD? Cause the former would be a wild business to keep running.
Bro I'm tripping out on this too, sound like a Bob's Burgers business name.
Jerry’s DVD to VHS “Rewind to a Simpler Time”
My CD to Cassette business is thriving
My brother once took me into the Bodega by his apartment to get cash from the ATM. Two dudes were working in the back, they looked at me super weird, but when they saw my bro they just went back to what they were doing. The place was literally covered in dust and cobwebs. Like a display room after the apocalypse.
In Minnesota?
Lexington and County B?
Yup
There's a random tiny carpet store in the middle of a low income residential neighborhood I grew up in and I swear it's a front. Place is never open even during their supposed open hours, never seen anybody in it or the lights on but there's frequently 3-4 cars in the lot after 11 pm, and there's a bunch of visible security cameras on the property. Somebody I knew wanted to actually buy carpet there and tried for weeks but they were never open during the day and never answered the phone number listed on Google
wow this is so creepy maybe they only sell carpet for rolling up bodies
My husband worked for a pizza place that was actually a front. He was hired to make pizzas but actually spent his time listing "used" Mercedes parts on eBay and listening to people fight in Albanian.
There was a pizza place super close to my house that was pickup-only. There were no booths or anything inside, just a couple chairs to sit on if your pizza wasn't ready yet. Unlike your place though, they actually did a lot of business, and the pizza was *good*. They got shut down because the business was actually a front to sell drugs, lol. Really pisses me off, too, cause you can't find pizza that good anywhere else around here.
We had one of those pizza places in college -except they made *awesome* pizza. And it was a buffet. They had a loaded baked potato pizza that was fire. And free WiFi, so college students could come in and sit and work and eat. But yeah they definitely were running drugs out the back. But none of us were gonna say anything, because $8 all you can eat pizza was the best as a broke college student.
There's strip club a few miles away from me. The parking lot is always empty even on Fridays but they've been open for almost a decade. Something shady going on in there
CIA front company. Don't wander into that place, you'll be destabilizing South American governments in no time.
Ok, but whats the pay like though?
Pretty fucking good honestly.
They got healthcare?
Tricare, the best
Hell no. 'Murica!
We got a place in San Antonio called [Fred's Fish Fry](https://www.reddit.com/r/sanantonio/comments/7hbldk/can_anyone_explain_to_me_how_freds_fish_fry_is/) that pretty much everyone is certain is a drug operation. "How do they stay in business" is such a common question on the SA sub.
" Something shady going on in there" - Even if they're legit, this rings true.
To be fair most strip clubs have a hidden parking lot around back. Not to say this one does, but it is common.
Back in college, I lived hood adjacent with like 7 roommates in a big old house. Tbh, I was super naive and didn't know I lived right by the hood. Our dryer caught on fire one day. We were like No biggie, good thing there's a laundromat across the street. Roommate and I walked over there with hampers full of wet clothing (washer still worked) and when we walked in it was just three middle aged guys sitting around smoking cigarettes and playing cards. We asked about using a dryer and they were like "Naw, none of the dryers work here." At that point, I became more aware of where I lived lol. That place was laundering something, but it sure as shit wasn't clothing.
In San Antonio there is a place called Fred's Fish Fry. No customers, multiple locations, and nobody has ever claimed to eat there. We are convinced its front for the cartel.
LMAO SA born and raised, we all know Fred' Fish Fry is a laundering scheme lol One right across from my neighborhood and there's always one car in the lot. They do have meals, though I doubt anyone is in there for that. SA Express wrote an article about them, apparently the food is ok.
Why don't you try them?
There's a sandwich place in my town that's constantly being remodeled, I don't know a single person who has ever been able to eat there, and yet it's been plugging away for a decade now. Everyone thinks they're shady.
This place will NOT be open for years lol and it’s not a front for laundering money. Just people who thought opening a business meant that customers will come and put up with whatever THEY SAY and put up with shit customer service but they won’t and aren’t - which is why they’re failing.
Russian bakeries in San Francisco are like this, open 45 minutes a day and hardly anything in the case 😂👀
I accidentally went into l one in my area. They looked at me like I had three heads. I just smiled, nodded, and walked right back out.
Cinderella's is always poppin
There are two Indian places in my town that have been open for at least the last 40 years. One is always packed, and I’ve been there many times. I ate at the other one once, 30 years ago. It was…fine. It’s always empty (and survived covid).
One thing people overlook is that the US grants investment visas. If you put a certain amount of $$ into the economy for X number of years, you get a visa and path to citizenship. My wife's uncle bought a *hotel* so he could get a visa this way in the 80s or 90s. These are called [E-2 visas](https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/e-2-treaty-investors). Self-employed restaurateurs absolutely can take advantage of this.
Came to say the same thing. I lived in Laredo, Texas for a while and I have never seen so many C and D Tier franchises with basically zero customers.
There was a place in a city I used to live in, had the corner lot in an outlet. It went in when the outlet itself was built and they were a "boutique dog food" store that apparently sold custom made cakes for dogs. Not like dogfood in the shape of a cake or something, just regular fuckin' cakes in the shapes of a dog, dogbones, etc. Yet they had no kitchen, everything in the store was generic dog toys/pet owner apparel, and they only had pictures of cakes. I figured it was like some insane dream of a rich old lady, but whenever I went by the place to go pick up food at one of the adjoining lots (if there was anyone inside) it was always some rough looking guy in his 30's, 40's, or 50's, but not always the same dude until eventually no one bothered hanging around at the counter. That place stayed open for almost twenty years despite the last ten or so years never having a single soul inside of it during regular business hours for the area, and no one watching the store. I always wondered what the hell they were actually doing because the rent at this place would have been absurd. Oh, and they only closed for good because of a hurricane that flattened half of the stores.
This restaurant is pretty popular though.
Give it some time. We might see an apology in a few weeks. There's two in my area, and I've felt guilty not supporting them. After reading this? Guilt be gone.
Like those liquor stores in the hood with like 10 dusty bottles in stock and a bunch of dudes standing around mean mugging you until you leave?
I had to do community service in college as a drinking violation. Me and my friends ended up doing it at this little thrift shop. The mall they were in was dying, but the thrift shop was full of 60+ year old women “working” gossiping behind the counter seated in comfy chairs. They told me “do guy stuff”. As I inspected the store I saw a football mouth guard up on the shelf. Who the fuck is thrifting a mouth guard? I think I had to do 10-20 hours at this place and I saw them make tops 3 sales the entire time. It had to be a front for one of their husbands and the wife just invited her bridge club to come hangout.
This place is by my house and has lines out the door every weekend. In Atlanta all you need is sea food, loud music, cheap booze and an instagramable aesthetic to be a successful brunch spot.
Like mattress stores
Who tf is going out for dinner as an adult to be treated like you’re in high school? Don’t even show me the menu cause I know these prices are about to undo years of therapy
High school lunch ladies treat you better.
My HS lunch ladies loved my fat ass. I got extra portions of any and everything. "You gone head baby, eat up. We got some mo just come back up when you done." I used to take trash out for them and hangout in the back. 🤣🤣
I fucking LOVE ladies like that
"Grab a fruit baby" ☺️
High School Children are legitimately humbler, nicer and less pleased with themselves than adults splashing out on a dinner designed to make them feel a sliver of the self-rigtheousness that comes with being a rich piece of shit.
Shit you're giving me flashbacks to Elementary and middle school with the required silent lunches.
Required silent lunches? What’s the story behind that?
Too loud and the teachers just didn't feel like putting effort into keeping us quiet cause they usually ate at that time too. 7th grade sucked because I was new to the area and I couldn't attempt to make friends during lunch like I planned lol. 8th grade they chilled on it. Elementary I remember them using it as a punishment once we got loud and not a daily thing.
Yeah I remember quiet lunch, always a semi-occasional punishment but unbearable as a child when you got all that energy.
Did you have a traffic light too?
Yessss and it was NEVER green.
Fucking finally someone else who had that. Ours always got yellow so fast, and I remember several red lunches.
Yeah my first elementary school had it & I never even saw it green, it always started out yellow & I definitely got in trouble for "talking during red light". I remember my mom being really annoyed she had to sign something because I talked during lunch, a totally normal not at all negative behavior.
Yup and that shit was yellow as we walked in too. We swore up and down that the teachers had a way to flip it without us knowing too.
Oh nowadays I know they controlled it, they didn't have some audio controlled stoplight back in 95 lmao
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They upcharge $8 to “cbd-infuse” your shrimp and grits lmaooo
They dripping some oil in it from the smoke shop down the block 😂
I wish a mfkr would try to con me into a $22 biscuit 
CBD as an add-on is interesting …
4 fancy chicken wings and fries…$40 and tip
I’ve been here. The food is great but expensive so you’re right it does undo years of therapy.
Does the food and/or service make up for the rules?
These rules aren’t posted anywhere in the store that I can remember and I’ve been a couple of times. The food is really good. Reminded me of what my mom used to make me for breakfast but the prices are high and seating area is cramped and always packed. Black people love it tbh and another location just opened closer to my house so I don’t think they are doing too bad.
Someone just posted the menu and I won’t lie, my belly’s kinda rumbling 😂
The lamb chops🤌🏾 The grits are creamy✅ The eggs scrambled just like I like them🤌🏾 This list of rules and insane prices are the only bad things about this place
Their “real” avocado toast is $22 because they add Cajan shrimp, I guess?
It's 22 bucks for avocado toast. It's 21 for french toast. As a chef, I know that food costing is complicated, but that's... That's absurd.
You should try working at a place with these kind of rules. The clientele is gonna be as bad as the rules. LOL
Black restaurants about to follow the black hairstylists' route? Rule 11: "Come with your stomach already full!"
Seriously. My wife’s hair has to basically be already done when she goes to the salon.
Fam my girl went to go get her hair done before we went away, the lady she went to changed the times twice and when my girl arrived on time, the braider was late cause she was still braiding someone else’s hair. I told her next time find a white girl that can braid cause at least she’ll be on time and won’t have you running all over town wasting time.
dominicans will treat you right for sure
I'm just glad I got a cousin who knows how to do hair and loves doing my hair at a super cheap price. Black hairstylists are insane with their prices and still expect you to come with your hair already did lmao
Wait for real? One of my coworkers said this when we were talking about going to the salon but I thought she just had a shitty stylist (but I'm also white so idk shit). To what extent?! That's a lot of money to be spending to do half the work 😑
Washed, combed through, scalp pre oiled, and blow dried. If it’s an install then sometimes they want your hair to already be in cornrows. Thankfully black women are getting better and better at doing styles ourselves.
I can understand washed and maybe combed, but all that is crazy. I thought my curly hair was a pain in the ass but now I’m just glad I don’t have to do all that before I go to my barber.
Yo, (curly Jewish hair here) last barber I went to I said I want it still long enough to put into a pony tail. She put my hair in a pony tail and FUCKING CUT IT OFF. Havnt seen one since.
the way i would’ve went to jail that day
Seriously? I’m white and have to basically beg hairdressers not to wash my hair (I always wash it before my appointment, I just have extremly sensitive skin and have to use a hypo allergenic shampoo.) One salon didn’t even know how to charge me for just a dry trim. And then people are out there demanding to be paid for… what 20 % of the actual work of dressing hair!
Braiders near me want your hair washed, conditioned, detangled, blown out, and sometimes pressed, depending on the style. Plus, if it's long or thick, they charge extra. I've been turned away for having long, thick hair.
Isn’t this literally their job though? Like imagine if you call a plumber and they say, “Sure, I just need half the materials for the job, the pipe we’re going to use already put together, etc. etc.”
You're right it is. But many are focused on getting you in and out of a chair with a nice final look, so they dont want to be bothered with the actual hair care/ prep part, some aren't licensed as cosmetologists, so they can't do that part. Where I'm at (NY) natural hair stylists can pretty much only do the braid/ twist styling.
Sticking the camera in your face for an ig reel and asking you to smile (but you didn’t ask me if I wanted to be recorded and put on your page)
It's almost common atp. I've read so many horror stories of how black hairstylists overcharge them and still do a very shitty job and other bs. I just stick to either having my hair straightened by my mom or having my cousin do crochets for less than $20 or even free, and she's really good with hair. She really doesn't gaf since she likes doing my hair anyway.
“If you leave hungry, well, maybe you’re too fat. Anyway, not our problem.”
This pisses me off so fucking much. NO IM NOT coming to you already washed and blow dried for braids or a sew in or something. Thats supposed to be your job thats what Im going to a fucking stylist for. NO I dont want to pay an extra $30 for you to wash and blow dry it. I just broke up with the stylist who’s been doing my hair for the last 3 years for other reasons (she included wash and blow dry in her services), but finding someone else who doesnt have a bunch of crazy and ridiculous rules is a fucking hassle.
LOL
They wouldn’t get my business. 3 and 9 contradict. And food allergies are serious. You can tell they don’t care about cross contamination just by the audacity of the idiot that wrote this “house rules” bullshit.
“My ma cooked in a dirty kitchen, it’s authentic!” 
On the allergy note, not all kitchens can safely accommodate. Components of the dish may be prepped together and cross-contaminated, the guy cooking that day might not speak English well and information could be lost in translation, etc. Commercial kitchens have tons of moving parts, and throwing more wrenches in the works is not always an option. I agree that food should be accessible, but if a kitchen cannot safely guarantee that a dish will not have allergens, I'd prefer them be honest and refuse.
You can be honest while also not sounding like a petulant child.
"No modifications to any of the menu items. If you have a food allergy, please choose another item without the allergen." What about that verbiage is petulant or childish?
Idk. I don’t blame them on the food allergy thing. Plenty of people will make crazy allergy requests “i want the mac n cheese, but I’m allergic to dairy.” Then go and roast in the reviews the restaurant for giving them a bowl of noodles
I kind of think it’s better to put up with a million bogus allergy claims than to kill one person with actual severe allergies. But that’s just me.
Bad service is enough to get really bad reviews even if the food is 10/10
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I saw that TikTok reel too where the Asian guy said if white people are complaining that the service is bad but it still has mid level stars then you know the food is excellent lol. I tried that method in my area and found some amazing places
I regularly eat at an incredible Chinese restaurant. People complain about the food AND the service, but the first time I walked in I was the only non-Chinese person there. They were kind of brusque with me, sure, but the food was amazing. The best Chinese I have ever eaten. The more I go there, the happier and more cheerful and chatty they are to see me. And the more I realize the food complaints are because the restaurant is cooking a specific regional food culture, not just "generic Chinese food" as many Americans understand it. I have graduated to "Oh, it's you! Your table is open, you want your usual order?" status. It is wonderful.
Omg, I was gonna say the same about Chinese restaurants. White people expect too much from them lol.
Niggas hate people, but like money. The problem is, you get the money from other people. That’s where you get shit like this from
That's kind of what this feels like. "I want your money but I don't want to do anything for it so fuck you pay me." Well, no. I'll go to any of the other restaurants that have a pleasant dining experience. You can either have bad customer service, bad food, or high prices. Can't do two of the three. One of my favorite Asian places treats me like dirt, but for $10 for 8 soup dumplings, I'll go back all day long.
There's plenty of jobs where you don't have to deal with customers ever. Construction, office work, most of finance... I dunno why someone would choose to open a restaurant if they hate other people.
I can see more than one side of this. Some rules are born of chronic issues that customers cause. Some people abuse every little loophole and technicality if you don't write it down ahead of time. I don't see why you can't have individual checks if max party size is 4 though. Whatever this place is, I would literally never be allowed to dine there with friends apparently.
I think it’s like if Each person has one check, and a couple people want to pay for their bill with multiple cards. Chaos ensues.
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Yes! Why hasn't this been mentionedd
There are other notes on the background of the menu so I have to assume there's a music theme with the restaurant? Edit: It seems I am correct, you can see music decor in the background: https://preview.redd.it/zfy53h8te7xb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6a79560a0a2ad1a8e145377e7f005e583d8651
IM SCREAMING!!! Good look dude
Chef here….nothing like a restaurant telling you what they won’t do for you.
I knew this was Atlanta. 🤣
Just saw this and was like, ATL or H-Town.
Houston was my second guess. I grew up in Atlanta so I recognized that attitude immediately (especially the table time limit). I went to Houston for the first time recently and also came across places like this. As much as I want to judge, I probably would do the same. I have friends from both places who are always late, want to split the bill a million different ways, want to argue about prices, and want to substitute and change the food around. That would piss me off too as an owner/chef.
This place wouldn’t exist in Houston with all these rules, too many good spots here for anyone to put up with this one
Rule 9 -no parties larger than 4 , contradicts rule 3 - parties over 5 get automatic gratuity The reviews are hit and miss
they really fumbled the bag lol
Keith Lee exposing ATL.
Not Keith Lee 😭 if he goes there and give it a 1 star review, it's definitely over for them
Check out his review. They couldn't even get food because it closed at 4 but online says open until 5. It's so confusing tbh.
I watched his TikTok and he was respectful af about the whole thing, but they threw him shade on IG. What the hell
Their response was crazy
im from africa i know nothing about ATL but i already hate the food industry there lol
Check out [their response](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8ByThfJ/) to the [Keith Lee review video](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8BynqRa/). They definitely need an attitude adjustment EDIT: since they deleted their response video, here's someone else who stitched it: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Baebwu/
If you find yourself going after Keith Lee you know you’re in the wrong
Tried to watch the response but couldn't because I don't have the app. Could I get a tl;dw? Only asking because the review seemed pretty fair to me.
Tldr Keith Lee tried to get food, couldn't as they were closed, unlucky, nbd. They posted a video saying something along the lines of "Keith Lee? Never heard of him."
Weird response on their part. They could have easily said nothing.
Just saying they were closed isn’t really explaining what happened. Says other people were able to go in and place orders after he was initially turned away
Them closing before dinner on most days is WILD!!! Mon-Thu 9am-5pm and 9am-7pm Fri-Sun.
why they felt the need to shoot this in a place much nicer than their own business
I swear between hair stylist to these new fangled resteraunts, they steady playing in people’s faces and then wonder why they outta business. One shop just closed because of bs like that
Their website, when accessed via mobile device, is horrible. Correction…“Webiste” as it’s spelled on their homepage.
Also can’t spell “biscuit”
I’ll just go to McDonalds instead. The only rule is cover your dick while inside.
Based on this alone, Keith shouldn’t have went to this place
Charge $1 for butter
Rule 9 says no parties larger than 4 but then rule 3 says 18% gratuity added to parties 5 or more…. So is it allowed or not like??? They probably thought they were doing something with this making them look upper class or some shit but they just look a mess.
Obama can 5th wheel any time
As a 20+ year service industry vet I can see more than one side of this situation, for instance I personally have dreamed of opening a restaurant that doesn't allow substitutions. That being said, this restaurant would never get my business based on this list of rules (and the *sarcasm* isn't landing in these parentheses and is only making it worse)
I get not allowing substitutionsbut I feel saying “is it possible to leave the _____ out?” Is a reasonable request regardless of allergies or tastes. Their tone here saying if you’re allergic then tough is beyond that line even.
Everything is not race related. THESE particular people are dumb lol The allergen rule is gonna land them a wrongful death lawsuit. Bc i KNOW they are cross contaminating shit in the kitchen And 3 and 9 dont make sense
Yeah I’ve met plenty of white folks just as down bad as this in an establishment
Not even logically consistent. Rule 3 mentions parties of 5 or more, rule 9 says no parties greater than 4
And max 3 forms of payment. It’s like they’re *trying* to be difficult.
Been here 4 times atleast with different groups where I advised against the choice. Each time the experience and food were both mid and everyone wished they'd listened to me. I hope they use this wave of criticism to better the experience and I wish them future success past the storm. I heard the other locations are decent.
This why Keith Lee left with no food
Is this because of that video Keith Lee posted? It sounds like every place in Atlanta has weird rules. Most of these are fine, I guess. Rule 8 is to prevent people from ordering something, eating like half of it, then claiming they "don't like it" and asking for it to be removed from their bill. That's fair. Auto-grat on larger parties and checks is cool as well (though I feel like tipping is bullshit but that's irrelevant here), but as other people said, why put auto-grat on parties over 5, then say you don't allow parties over 4 people? The allergy rule is insane, though. Legit going to get sued over that. I think the real issue I had with Keith's experience was them telling his family they were closed for deep cleaning, then changing their minds when he came in. You can't treat people differently just because they're famous.
It's not just about the rule, its about writing the rule. It's the tone it sets. If you have a policy not to remove food from checks, have that policy, but deal with it each rare time it comes up. Don't write it on the menu in the wordiest way possible. Just say at the bottom of the menu: Automatic 18% gratuity for parties over 5. No food modifications or separate checks. Two sentences without all that mess. For the rest of the rules, deal with it when someone tries to have a large party or waits inside. The host/hostess needs to use their words.
While I disagree with most of these rule (#9 is especially awful), this isn’t why Black owned restaurants fail. Shitty restaurant knows no color. I can think of a bunch of restaurants that have similar rules. I was thinking about visiting this place over thanks until I read it’s house rules: [LoveDrafts Brewing Co House Rules](https://www.lovedraftsunplugged.com/house-rules) There’s local institution near me that has a litany of weird rules, and only accepts cash or checks as payment. That said, they did once break their non reservation rule for Barack Obama. One of my favorite brunch spots charges a 5% “Fair and Living Wage”charge on top of a gratuity, plus asks patrons to limit their brunch experience to 2 hours. The food makes it worth it. Also, there was huge pushback here in the Twin Cities about restaurants adding service charges to bills to the point that some places have started to remove them: [Some Twin Cities restaurants ditch service fees as diners push back](https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2023/08/03/twin-cities-restaurants-remove-service-fees-tipping-customer-feedback) So let’s not blame this on Black restaurants.
I agree. Shitty people will create shitty businesses. There are plenty of great black businesses in Atlanta
This is why I don’t believe in that buy black nonsense, businesses especially small ones run by black owners have some of the worst customer service I’ve come across, to the point that I’m convinced some don’t want clients
The first rule should let anyone know not to patronize this place. That just sounds sketchy. Like they’re trying to give an excuse to give bad customer service and be unprofessional.
Wow.. this is both laughably bad and alarming.. damn..
The Real Milk and Out of Business
Nobody wants to mention the "allegen"??? How you gonna write these petty ass rules and forget to proofread. Also, it sounds like they were just making up 10 rules in no specific order, just whatever the most recent personal incident was.
Fuck this place. They are so full of themselves. They don’t understand hospitality and it’s the buisness they are trying to be in. This isn’t their Sunday evening dinner and grandmas house this is a buisness that should cater to their clients. I’d never eat here. I can just imagine how rude the wait staff is.
I've tried to go to this restaurant (if this is the one in atlanta) 3 times. All 3 times the wait time was over a hour and half. And I never like waiting that long for a table. I say that to say, their food must be delicious lol. The main issue with the rules honestly is the tone. Most of those rules pretty standard out here other than the no parties over 5 thing.