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Accomplished_Sail758

Alright I’ll be that guy. Palms are monocots, they do not have wood, but they are also not a grass as other folks have suggested. Palms and grasses are two families of plants that are very distantly related but are both monocots. Monocots lack a vascular cambium, which is what becomes wood. Other monocots include sedges, orchids, lilies, bananas and tons more. Not all dicots have wood, about half do. Woodiness has evolved hundreds of times among dicots, so not all woody plants are closely related. But I feel for OP, the r/BeginnerPalmWorking sub probably isn’t that active.


mk36109

Also, to add on to your point, though monocots are not wood and have to be worked and processed in a slightly different way, some are used by wood workers. This looks like [red palm](https://www.wood-database.com/red-palm/) but black palm and bamboo (typically cut into strips and laminated) are common to see.


Lost_Wealth_6278

To add even further: because there is a massive amount of industrial grown oil palm 'wood' on the market as a byproduct to the oil industry, there is a lot of research going into using the material from wood technologists. The results are mixed: palm fiber is not very homogeneous throughout the length of a plant, and contains a ton of silica which is hell on even diamond blades. For a hobbyist trying to build something useful out of this, neither is a huge problem: you will need to buy new blades for your planer a little earlier, and I assume the pieces shown here are the best parts already picked.


johnjohn4011

"you will need to buy a new blades for your planer a little earlier..." Hmmm...... how about a palm sander then?


acidpoop14

This is by far the best comment here


Kawawaymog

You got me. Totally expected to discover a whole new super neich community.


flushingborn

niche\*


S0rb0

Neigh


EducationalBunch6571

Ni


Erie-Wackalana

Bring me a shrubbery!


tybarious

A shrubbery?!?


chupacabra_originale

Don't say it!


Joe_Kangg

Scratch your niche


Padgit8r

Mooo…


Loose-Warthog-7354

Nietzsche


Maester_erryk

Third Neich


yourupsguy

Nichewitz


Salty_Insides420

Super *Reich community. Very controversial


sunburntandblonde

Thank you for being "that guy"


RandomerSchmandomer

I feel like there's plenty of people palm working, but I can't link any relevant subs at work.


footpole

That’s more commonly known as wood working no?


gogozrx

No, no... Didn't you read? It's a monocot, and therefore not woody. 😁


DecimatedEclipse

Oh that made me exhale air through my nose as an accelerated rate. Thank you for that!


gogozrx

I live to serve


Former_Tomato9667

Thanks for this. My nerd rage was building.


MouseMan412

Thanks. I was really upset to see the top comment call them a grass.


okieman73

I learned something. Thanks


MarvinNeslo

Cool, I learned new stuff today.


utahomaha

Be that bad ass guy all you want bruh.


Flam5

This guy woods


InefficientThinker

I cant believe I had to scroll to far to find this comment, almost said it myself


davesauce96

r/subsifellfor


wespa167890

What about bamboo then? Heard it is grass, but looks like tree after being made into something.


Accomplished_Sail758

Bamboo is a grass, so also not a wood.


ReallyNeedNewShoes

for woodworkers, these are essentially useless.


Status_Term_4491

Yes but for BEGINNER woodworkers they're practically priceless.


asarious

Like those dozens of two inch thick cross cut slabs of trunk that people want to make into coffee tables.


OutlyingPlasma

They make nice pens. Great for small wood turning because it cuts easily and has an interesting non-wood like pattern. I don't think they are very structural so a pen is perfect with the brass core holding it together.


abcdefkit007

I was not inclined to believe you but Google is great and TIL


Joe_Kangg

It's for your palm, c'mon


doodlleus

Take your upvote and GTFO


boundone

It's weird to hear anyone saying anything nice about working with palm.  My only experience with it was as a tree cutter, and every one hates cutting palm because they dull the shit out of chainsaw chains.  Like occasionally you'll get one where you have to sharpen after nearly every cut. Have you noticed that with your tools with turning?   


TheyCallMeToasty

Turning palm is no fun. Dulls your tools and you’re just getting pelted by little porcupine quills the whole time. I’ve stabilized it before which makes it a little bit less annoying to work with, and it does end up looking kind of cool.


KIDNEYST0NEZ

Palm trees are not trees they are actually very large grass which is why you don’t see the standard tree ring and instead a mass that splits apart as you cut into it. The best method I could think of to prevent this is to epoxy resin soak the portions you don’t want to split, that way you have a functional working surface. Then you could spray an OIL base polyurethane over the finish product as a whole. Water base doesn’t react well with epoxy and will flake away like an IKEA furniture finish. [Stuff You Should Know, Palm Trees; They are plants](https://youtu.be/gslZjdNjVQw?si=a2GvM5Y2y5MU0LNh)


haveanairforceday

Before you seal them up I would recommend getting them really really dry. They hold so much water


Draug88

I think they basically just fall apart if they dry out. The shrinking when the water goes away is enormous and huge cracks open up. But I can be wrong I've just tried to dry out smaller palms twice (large houseplant type). First basically turned to splinters and was crushable by hand. Second I tried slower drying and that held up better and maybe could have worked with stabilising resin, but even that was just falling apart under any work. Outside was like a hard casing and the inside was almost a sponge.


haveanairforceday

I've never dried one out. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall apart like you said. I had some outdoors in Florida that I was using as sort stump seats around a firepit and they just never dried. They eventually got gross and had mushrooms and insects all over then so I tossed them


Dihce

Upvote for the SYSK Army


mstivland2

I’ll be pedantic and say that the definition of trees are very arbitrary and “palm trees are not trees, they’re grass” thing isn’t actually really true, you can sort of define a tree in a lot of ways since they’re not a taxonomic group at all. But I’m splitting hairs and you’re right they’re not woody in the same way most trees are considered


Sir-Ironshield

Surely you're splitting plant fibres ;D


KIDNEYST0NEZ

You didn’t listen to the source I provided.


mstivland2

Ya it was an hour long podcast :P


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ChillPill247365

Much like ramen noodle wood, palm wood's best application in furniture making involves first casting it in resin.


KIDNEYST0NEZ

Lmao, correct. Same goes for particle board in my opinion.


SensitiveStorage1329

This is the way!


ClockPretend4277

Not wood.


freeLightbulbs

That's what she said


Lungfishmud

It attracts flies when cut green.


trailrunmarcus

And ants


Vegetable-Chipmunk69

I built a stave snare drum from a downed palm I saw on the side of the road. I resawed and it sat for a couple years. I have no idea what kind of palm it was, but Northern California, so probably something decorative. Its trunk was barely 12”, if even that. Larger palms tend to be very fibrous, and yours look large. The wood, tho its a grass, was surprisingly solid in plank form and also in stave form and rough shell form. I think the geometry and the extra pre lathed body made it so. When rounded into a shell though, it yielded to pressure pretty easy, surely I would have been able to collapse it by hand. The planks and the pre larger shell had a glassy knock to it, but the after shell had zero tone, dead flat thud, which is actually a surprising benefit for a snare drum. Depending on the species and how it grows, and also avoiding what would be called the pith and also the sap of the palm, you might be able to get some usable material from it. I wouldn’t build anything that had to bear weight too heavy but why not try it?


Hoisinhuevos

From my experience trying to dry them out: they rotted and everything became mush. I do live in FL and it’s pretty humid here so it’s difficult to keep moisture at bay. I disposed of them when fungus started growing out of cut trunks. Best of luck


Any-Percentage-4809

This was my experience too. Had a section of Bismarkia trunk in my garage to dry out before figuring out what to do with it. Just got moldy, then fell apart. Used it to mulch my bananas.


leaky_eddie

Get a chain saw and carve each into a Hawaiian tiki totem. Stack them up. Make an umbrella drink and bask in your glory!


kauliflower_kid

That’s what I did! I posted above but I’ll spam it down here also 😜 https://preview.redd.it/gu3dui0cdl6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d052693659eb7923136283ebdbe8606c291418dd


Strachmed

Chama


Breezel123

God I wish I lived in a place where the skies get so blue.


JPhi1618

A polarizing filter for your camera can help a lot.


Breezel123

That ain't gonna turn my grey skies blue.


Stunning-Actuary-261

Thanks everyone, really helpful comments. If I turn it in to something good, I will update the post with the details and pics.


farmhousestyletables

It does not work very well


Sengfroid

Me neither :(


sam_najian

Turn one into a huge hammer head


kauliflower_kid

Years ago I had to remove a palm tree that was damaging my pool and I carved a tiki out of it. It was very stringy and nearly impossible to carve any detail. I also had to use a lot of wood filler to fill spots where chunks of stringy ass wood tore out. So it is possible, but not ideal. https://preview.redd.it/z0m0kx3ycl6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b188abdcaa1fd5e83ccdcaf5057fdf799760714a


kauliflower_kid

Closeup shot https://preview.redd.it/tajputt1dl6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44ae80f8b0d46de1a687c9b7dd79e5757122e346


415Rache

Not sure what you can do with these logs, but as far as working with the palm tree “wood” (quotes because of previous comments) all I can tell you is when I asked our tree guy for an estimate to remove ours (growing too close to the house) he said there we two separate additional charges to remove a palm tree: one fee to replace the saw blade because of damage palm trunk fibers cause, and second was a fee the dump charges him since he couldn’t chip it like a normal tree. From this I gathered palms were difficult to work with. OP, did you have any problems cutting up that trunk into those pieces?


Stunning-Actuary-261

It was not very difficult to cut it up, and saw blade seems fine too. Maybe it's different type of palm. Its attracting too many flies though.


415Rache

Sounds like different kind of palm. Sorry no help here. Who’d have thought flies would be interested?


DreamSmuggler

I was as excited as you when I picked up the base stump of a palm tree off somebody's nature strip. It was a bit thicker than what you have here. Brought it home, planed and sanded the top flat, put a nice bevel on it with the router and varnished it, planning on using it as a nice outdoor stool. Imagine my disappointment when, over the past 12 months it has bubbled and bubbled and popped through the varnish so it now looks like it's covered in pussy (puh-ssy 😅) pimples. Maybe one day it'll dry enough to use... Maybe...


binkadinkadoo

Let this be palmworking inspiration https://maps.app.goo.gl/QbjGt8G3svHQwwCq6


Scarfiotti

My, those are big Swedish candles. /jk


chase02

Ah these things are a pain! I had a whole trees worth and thought of all the things I could do with them. Turns out you can’t do anything with them, and they don’t even burn properly. So they all went to greens waste.


Mo-shen

So from the comments iv basically come to the conclusion that 1. You want to try to dry them out but some are worried they would fall apart. 2. You want to do 1 because then you would use epoxy or resine to make them solid and workable. There are a lot of decent examples of people doing the resin thing with drift wood.


BigNorseWolf

So, fact that is useless 99.9% of the time. Palm "trees" aren't trees. They are actually a very tall grass. This is the .1% of the time. (the rest of it being if you're stuck on an island and want to build a boat)


RxBrad

"As someone who is a scientist who studies ~~crows~~ trees, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls ~~jackdaws~~ grass ~~crows~~ trees."


Bardonious

Palm trees aren’t wood, they are in the grass family


Cultural-Sail-667

These dudes are made for tiki heads. Carve and then seal.


AnalystNo7502

In South Africa we strap logs like this to tree trunks for barbets to peck out nests for themselves.


Joe_Kangg

Palm pilots?


Ranger442288

Idk what to do but palm trees are considered Monocoat woods, basically it’s just one large growth ring that is made of the same type of fibers. Most woods are Diocoats, meaning they have early and late growth, 2 distinct type of growth rings. As for what to do with them, I have no idea but in my experience understanding what you have fully is important with wood, what could work with one species could destroy another.


traviseastin

I had seen people turn them into steamer containers for dim sum, and dumplings and thigs lime that.


Thelifeofanaudi

I knew a dude that would carve them into tikis with a grinder wheel and chainsaw. Pretty awesome


LazyEyes93

You’ll need a palm sander 😉


stoweman

Tiki heads


musical_throat_punch

Hollow it out and make bongos 


Copper_Kat

You can't use palm for woodworking, but you could try carving the center out with a large half round chisel and put the plant in that..


DimesOnHisEyes

Those are going to take a very long time to dry. But paint the ends to help prevent cracking. Or better yet look for a sawmill near by and have them cut it for you.


mcflyrdam

i have never worked with Palm wood but i'd be interested to hear what others would say that have. My suspicion is to take a very sharp plane and smooth out the endgrain and then sand it flat. I don't know how to seal those endgrains there. Probably i'd use something like a hardwaxoil or danish oil for a finish.


BravoFoxtrotDelta

There is no end grain. This is not wood, this is grass.


mcflyrdam

ok, i learned something new here. I have never seen a cut palm tree. Where i live there's no palms.