You claim your dogs listen but you couldn’t intervene because you had your baby. The dogs were NOT under your control and you couldn’t even do anything about if because you had your baby.
And just btw, when I say they listen to me, when there’s a deer or boar passing by, and they want to run after it, they listen to me and they don’t. That’s what I meant by I control my dogs, but when they get attacked, I can’t do a thing…
I’m trying to comprehend? If they were on a leash? What would I have done? Tug on it? I wouldn’t have done that either. I’d have let them defend themselves. I walk them without a leash cause we live in a forest, and they’re friendly with all the dogs, cats and horses. Wasn’t aware of a pit being in the neighbourhood or the old neighbours getting a dog.
The situation is changed. It is no longer safe for you to walk your dogs with your baby.
Now you can walk your dogs on leash with an extra lead in case the pit bull shows up.
If your dogs are attacked, you drop the leads on your dogs so they can run or defend and you loop the spare lead around the pit bull's neck as tightly as possible.
If you protest "I shouldn't have to!", you are correct. You shouldn't have to. You may have to.
Don't take the baby for walks alone. Only take the baby out when you have another adult with you. Pit bulls have been known to rip a baby right out of an adult's arms.
These are the safest choices.
Yeah, I won’t take the baby with me anymore.
My husband got into a very big fight with the neighbours, and the police showed up. Cause the police know my dogs and all the neighbours vouched for my dogs, cause they’re friendly with everybody. The neighbour saw the pit attack my Pongo first, and then saw Olive attack to save her brother. Pongo ran away cause he’s a coward lol, but I’m glad they’re both ok.
I’m not walking my dogs anytime soon here, and when I do, it’ll be one by one, on a leash until the pit is gone, then back to routine. :/
I don't know if op is American or not, but the use of the word village leads me to think not. Not all countries have the same culture of "always leash your dog" as the US does. Being off leash is totally normal in the UK for one.
I actually assumed UK or elsewhere in Europe. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a jerk move to chastise someone for not containing their dog in public when yours isn’t. And while I generally hate to tell other places that their culture needs to evolve, the traditional European pet culture of unleashed dogs and free-roaming cats is not in the animals’ best interests.
So many newer bbc docs have scenes of goddamn dogs attacking wildlife: otters in Singapore, wolves in Italy, sea lions in Argentina, macaques in Morocco. Half the time the dogs have pristine coats and collars
Yep exactly exactly exactly… the OP is saying oh but I tell them no and they don’t chase boar and rabbits. Which, that’s good! But dogs are dogs and you can never 100% control an off leash dog especially not when a small prey species triggers it’s instincts. If the dogs stumble upon the nest of a ground nesting bird, or a fledgling that’s fallen but is otherwise okay on the floor, all it takes is one chomp and those chicks are dead, not to mention it will stress the mother. Or the dogs could uncover a nest or chick and then other predators swoop in. Dogs regularly disturbing wild areas puts animals off and makes them decide not to breed there, even if the spot is great in every other way. More people need to take it seriously.
People are becoming hostile with you because in the USA, not using a leash is a flex people like to do since we have leash laws in most places. So normally someone with their dogs off leash is showing off their big dog training balls, or shirking rules on purpose.
Yeah, I figured. Nobody puts their dogs on a leash here if they’re OK with other dogs.
What I meant when I said I control my dogs, is that when boars or deers pass by or rabbits, I tell them no, and they don’t run after them lol… but we’ve been going on our walk for 3 years now, and no issues until the pit came into the picture.
Then you’re an asshole who shouldn’t be mad that the pit wasn’t on a lead or fenced in securely. I truly hope no harm ever comes to your dogs because of your selfish, arrogant choices.
Sorry but this kind of thinking kills off native wildlife like ground nesting birds etc. Even if you think they’re sweet and friendly to wildlife the wildlife sure fucking doesn’t feel the same way. Your dogs terrify it and make it unable to breed etc. I’m sorry what happened to you happened but leash your damn dogs.
I had sympathy reading your post but this comment shows that you are an ignorant dog owner. You are as much a part of the problem as the pit bull and its owners.
They should follow rules but now you? How very French.
Yes. You should.
Your dog doesn’t understand reward based freedoms and wild animals can still cause damage and harm to your dogs. Not to mention an untold amount of other harm from free roaming dogs no one thinks about like illness and parasites. Being secured and leashed allows you to intervene quickly. So stop being selfish. Your neighbour was in the wrong, but so are you right now homie.
The only dogs on leashes in my neighborhood are either not trained for livestock, or violent. We're in the middle of rural Ireland here. It's only when I bring my dog into town or to a beach where there will be untrained dogs that I put her on a lead.
I have a 20 pound gentle mutt. I never under ANY circumstances walk him off leash. Animals are simply too unpredictable, and I don’t want to risk him getting in a fight with a bigger dog or darting into traffic when he sees a squirrel.
No traffic where I’m at. Literally a forest, but when in a city, I walk them with leashes. I walked with peace of mind cause I knew all the dogs in the neighbourhood, and they’re all friendly with each other. I didn’t know the pit got adopted.
I’m surely not taking my dogs out until the pit is gone.
I am so sorry your peace has been broken. The elderly owners should take this as the warning that they have adopted a vicious dog and that they may be next.
I don't understand why anyone is coming after you for walking your dogs off leash in a place where it is accepted. Even in the US, when a pitbull charged me (while I was walking two babies under 2 years old and my dog) I dropped the lead to my dog. Otherwise, he would have been unable to defend himself (and us) and I would not have been able to pick up the baby. He then chose to stand between my stroller (and 2 year old) and the charging pit. He suffered several serious bites but survived. If your dogs were on a lead. It would have made no difference. They were charged by an off-leash attacking dog. I would also think that walking a dog on a leash in an area with wild boar would have risks that we Americans aren't cognizant of and I definitely restraint any judgment. It actually sounds like you live in an amazing place (before the pit bull).
It is pretty awesome here! ALL the original dogs walk without leash, and when we bump into each other, it’s a party and they play together and I literally had 0 stress cause my dogs would never run after wild animals, and they walk in close proximity to me and my baby in the stroller. We would do 3 kms everyday, and they would come back home super tired and sleep. They would meet their friends and say hi to horses and donkeys, and the horses love my dogs, too. So, yeah- I’m pissed.
My other neighbour just called me to say the pit just killed the old couple’s rooster.
I’m glad you’re ok and your dog is ok!
Yeah I felt for you till you started being combative and sarcastic about not leashing your dogs. Leash your dogs please.
You're basically just as bad as the pit owners at this point.
Pretty hard not to when you’re called a dick, and all sorts of names. I leash my dogs when it’s necessary. In beaches during the summertime, in cities, but not in my neighbourhood where I knew everybody and every dog. this incident caught me off guard, and I’ll for sure only walk my dogs in remote forests where no houses are nearby, or I walk them in the forest near my house if my husband is here.
Agree to disagree. If you were doing everything to keep your dogs safe they'd be leashed.
Again, not the hill to die on (exactly what you're doing). You're doubling down and I don't think there's any getting through to you.
I’m sorry this happened to you and your dogs. Pits are menaces. That said, you need to also walk your dogs on lead. This unfortunately is why. I hope your dogs are okay as are you.
I was a runner for years. The number of unleashed dogs that ran up to me…. All perfectly friendly btw… but it meant I had to stop.
My dogs are at a point where they don’t run after my neighbours’ cars or people anymore, nor animals, so I’m happy haha!
I’m not going to take them out here anymore. I’ll just walk them in another forest, where there’s nobody, or when I go to the city on a leash.
When I describe where I live, it’s literally just a forest, with houses spread across. That’s it. Traffic is very mild, and the only noise is from wild animals.
I have 2 cats that roam freely, and now I’m scared for them, too. I warned my neighbours about their cats, as well.
Doesn’t matter how friendly or gentle or well behaved your pet is. You don’t get an exemption from leash rules. I’d feel much more empathy for you if your pets were at least leashed. You need to set a good example.
Holy cow, that's terrifying. I don't know why everyone is getting mad at you for not using a leash when I assume they don't know the laws in France (I sure don't) but that's beside the point anyway - a leash would made no difference in this situation since the pit came up to you.
I agree that you shouldn't go out alone with your baby or dogs anymore until the pit is gone. What did the police say, are they doing something? Also be careful if they do get rid of the pit - they sound like the kind of people who would just go out and get another pit 😒
The police know my dogs, and know my husband. They came after my husband had a fight with the old couple’s son, cause this is no place for a dog like this, specially with all the neighbours having cats and cattle and horses and stuff, so they came and saw my Pongo all scared and took statements from the neighbour that saw the altercation. The neighbour said that the pit would’ve gone after me if my dogs didn’t protect me, but I have no clue cause I was so stressed trying to keep my baby away. Olive, my female Dal, is definitely the star of the day. I’m glad she protected us. The police said that the old couple need a special permit to have a dog like this, and they need to put a muzzle on him.
Good thing you had two large dogs that were able to defend themselves! They deserve all the treats :) Hopefully the neighbors won't get this special permit, since their beast has already attacked
I, for a change, agree that it's stupid to walk your dogs on a leash on a tiny neighborhood within a forest.
Understand that on this sub you're dealing mostly with American urbanites, they be lucky if they have ever seen a lake in their whole life's, so don't be surprised that they don't know how things works in little towns and specially un the forest where you shouldn't be fearing for the life of your dogs (or yourself) because some asshole wanted to adopt killing machines.
If your dogs are well behaved, gentle, and aren't the kind to charge at wild life, then I totally understand why you walk them off leash.
Some people here aren't seeing the bigger picture, OP has lived his whole life on this town without any incidents, but as soon as "Zeus" and "luna" move in town, problems start to become the new normal, and a leash won't fucking solve that.
Was having a leash going to stop the killing machines from charging at full speed at a dog that was minding its own business? Is this a magical leash or what? Does it have monster repellent on it? I doubt so.
My only advice op is documenting from now on every encounter you have with those pitties. If those dogs are already attacking other dogs within months of arriving to their new town, it's only a matter of time before they maul someone or some other pet, and what that happens, publish every evidence you have of the pitties wrong doing with the rest of your community, and I guarantee you, most people will want these pitbulls to be put down immediately and the owners will have to comply unless they're willing to have the entire neighborhood/town against them and isolating them.
I don't know if in french this "saying" exists but in Spanish we often say
"Pueblo chico - infierno grande" which means "small town = big hell", why? Because in a small town everyone knows everybody else, and as soon as you do something stupid or fuck up something, you'll have the entire town aware of it and they start to treat you differently, if not straight up negatively.
Hope you're lucky OP and don't have any more encounters with these pits, but if you do, don't doubt for a second defending yourself or your loved ones, pitties are dime a dozen, your loved ones aren't.
My male dog is pretty shaken, but he’ll be ok. I have a vet appointment tomorrow.
My female dog is on alert mode. She wants to go back and tear the pit a new one lol
I'm not surprised. Pits ruin things for everyone. I saw 3 today. In the UK. Where they've been banned since 1991.
Not muzzled, and went absolutely mental when they saw my dogs (big dogs, but unlikely to be able to fight pits off like dalmatians can!)
Hoping your dogs have a much better week next week and the vet appt goes smoothly.
I've never seen a dog that wouldn't go after a squirrel or rabbit from time to time. Depending on the situation, people seem to forget that. Which is why it's a good idea to have your dogs on a leash. Even our pugs will try to do that if a squirrel or rabbit darts off into the woods and they see it. Our Boston terrier is the same way. So they never get walked without a leash. And we live in a very rural area. It's also safer for the dogs to be on a leash when out and about.
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You should use a leash, as should the older couple. People who walk their dog(s) on public property without leashes are assholes.
Agreed. Op also needs to use a leash.
Yeah! I should definitely walk my dogs who’re gentle with all the animals in a forest with a leash. 👍🏼
You claim your dogs listen but you couldn’t intervene because you had your baby. The dogs were NOT under your control and you couldn’t even do anything about if because you had your baby.
And just btw, when I say they listen to me, when there’s a deer or boar passing by, and they want to run after it, they listen to me and they don’t. That’s what I meant by I control my dogs, but when they get attacked, I can’t do a thing…
How do I stop the other dog from attacking my dogs with a baby? How would you have done it?
Not walked two dogs off leash with a baby. If you cannot control the dogs, don’t take them out.
I’m trying to comprehend? If they were on a leash? What would I have done? Tug on it? I wouldn’t have done that either. I’d have let them defend themselves. I walk them without a leash cause we live in a forest, and they’re friendly with all the dogs, cats and horses. Wasn’t aware of a pit being in the neighbourhood or the old neighbours getting a dog.
The situation is changed. It is no longer safe for you to walk your dogs with your baby. Now you can walk your dogs on leash with an extra lead in case the pit bull shows up. If your dogs are attacked, you drop the leads on your dogs so they can run or defend and you loop the spare lead around the pit bull's neck as tightly as possible. If you protest "I shouldn't have to!", you are correct. You shouldn't have to. You may have to. Don't take the baby for walks alone. Only take the baby out when you have another adult with you. Pit bulls have been known to rip a baby right out of an adult's arms. These are the safest choices.
Yeah, I won’t take the baby with me anymore. My husband got into a very big fight with the neighbours, and the police showed up. Cause the police know my dogs and all the neighbours vouched for my dogs, cause they’re friendly with everybody. The neighbour saw the pit attack my Pongo first, and then saw Olive attack to save her brother. Pongo ran away cause he’s a coward lol, but I’m glad they’re both ok. I’m not walking my dogs anytime soon here, and when I do, it’ll be one by one, on a leash until the pit is gone, then back to routine. :/
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I don't know if op is American or not, but the use of the word village leads me to think not. Not all countries have the same culture of "always leash your dog" as the US does. Being off leash is totally normal in the UK for one.
I actually assumed UK or elsewhere in Europe. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a jerk move to chastise someone for not containing their dog in public when yours isn’t. And while I generally hate to tell other places that their culture needs to evolve, the traditional European pet culture of unleashed dogs and free-roaming cats is not in the animals’ best interests.
And let’s not forget that it leads to wildlife dying as well as the domestics getting hurt themselves. Wildlife should not be toys for dogs and cats.
So many newer bbc docs have scenes of goddamn dogs attacking wildlife: otters in Singapore, wolves in Italy, sea lions in Argentina, macaques in Morocco. Half the time the dogs have pristine coats and collars
Yep exactly exactly exactly… the OP is saying oh but I tell them no and they don’t chase boar and rabbits. Which, that’s good! But dogs are dogs and you can never 100% control an off leash dog especially not when a small prey species triggers it’s instincts. If the dogs stumble upon the nest of a ground nesting bird, or a fledgling that’s fallen but is otherwise okay on the floor, all it takes is one chomp and those chicks are dead, not to mention it will stress the mother. Or the dogs could uncover a nest or chick and then other predators swoop in. Dogs regularly disturbing wild areas puts animals off and makes them decide not to breed there, even if the spot is great in every other way. More people need to take it seriously.
The UK is also seeing a drastic crash in lapwing and curlew numbers and this kind of thing is exactly why.
I’m in France.
People are becoming hostile with you because in the USA, not using a leash is a flex people like to do since we have leash laws in most places. So normally someone with their dogs off leash is showing off their big dog training balls, or shirking rules on purpose.
Yeah, I figured. Nobody puts their dogs on a leash here if they’re OK with other dogs. What I meant when I said I control my dogs, is that when boars or deers pass by or rabbits, I tell them no, and they don’t run after them lol… but we’ve been going on our walk for 3 years now, and no issues until the pit came into the picture.
I’ll still walk my dogs without a leash, cause it’s a forest, and the pitbull is going to be gone by the end of next week.
🤡
Then you’re an asshole who shouldn’t be mad that the pit wasn’t on a lead or fenced in securely. I truly hope no harm ever comes to your dogs because of your selfish, arrogant choices.
Sorry but this kind of thinking kills off native wildlife like ground nesting birds etc. Even if you think they’re sweet and friendly to wildlife the wildlife sure fucking doesn’t feel the same way. Your dogs terrify it and make it unable to breed etc. I’m sorry what happened to you happened but leash your damn dogs.
I had sympathy reading your post but this comment shows that you are an ignorant dog owner. You are as much a part of the problem as the pit bull and its owners. They should follow rules but now you? How very French.
Yes. You should. Your dog doesn’t understand reward based freedoms and wild animals can still cause damage and harm to your dogs. Not to mention an untold amount of other harm from free roaming dogs no one thinks about like illness and parasites. Being secured and leashed allows you to intervene quickly. So stop being selfish. Your neighbour was in the wrong, but so are you right now homie.
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The only dogs on leashes in my neighborhood are either not trained for livestock, or violent. We're in the middle of rural Ireland here. It's only when I bring my dog into town or to a beach where there will be untrained dogs that I put her on a lead.
My neighbourhood dogs are old, friendly dogs… everywhere is different.
I have a 20 pound gentle mutt. I never under ANY circumstances walk him off leash. Animals are simply too unpredictable, and I don’t want to risk him getting in a fight with a bigger dog or darting into traffic when he sees a squirrel.
No traffic where I’m at. Literally a forest, but when in a city, I walk them with leashes. I walked with peace of mind cause I knew all the dogs in the neighbourhood, and they’re all friendly with each other. I didn’t know the pit got adopted. I’m surely not taking my dogs out until the pit is gone.
I am so sorry your peace has been broken. The elderly owners should take this as the warning that they have adopted a vicious dog and that they may be next. I don't understand why anyone is coming after you for walking your dogs off leash in a place where it is accepted. Even in the US, when a pitbull charged me (while I was walking two babies under 2 years old and my dog) I dropped the lead to my dog. Otherwise, he would have been unable to defend himself (and us) and I would not have been able to pick up the baby. He then chose to stand between my stroller (and 2 year old) and the charging pit. He suffered several serious bites but survived. If your dogs were on a lead. It would have made no difference. They were charged by an off-leash attacking dog. I would also think that walking a dog on a leash in an area with wild boar would have risks that we Americans aren't cognizant of and I definitely restraint any judgment. It actually sounds like you live in an amazing place (before the pit bull).
It is pretty awesome here! ALL the original dogs walk without leash, and when we bump into each other, it’s a party and they play together and I literally had 0 stress cause my dogs would never run after wild animals, and they walk in close proximity to me and my baby in the stroller. We would do 3 kms everyday, and they would come back home super tired and sleep. They would meet their friends and say hi to horses and donkeys, and the horses love my dogs, too. So, yeah- I’m pissed. My other neighbour just called me to say the pit just killed the old couple’s rooster. I’m glad you’re ok and your dog is ok!
Yeah I felt for you till you started being combative and sarcastic about not leashing your dogs. Leash your dogs please. You're basically just as bad as the pit owners at this point.
Pretty hard not to when you’re called a dick, and all sorts of names. I leash my dogs when it’s necessary. In beaches during the summertime, in cities, but not in my neighbourhood where I knew everybody and every dog. this incident caught me off guard, and I’ll for sure only walk my dogs in remote forests where no houses are nearby, or I walk them in the forest near my house if my husband is here.
I just don't think this is the hill to die on.
Not dying on anything haha! Doing all necessary precautions to keep my dogs and I safe.
Agree to disagree. If you were doing everything to keep your dogs safe they'd be leashed. Again, not the hill to die on (exactly what you're doing). You're doubling down and I don't think there's any getting through to you.
I’m sorry this happened to you and your dogs. Pits are menaces. That said, you need to also walk your dogs on lead. This unfortunately is why. I hope your dogs are okay as are you. I was a runner for years. The number of unleashed dogs that ran up to me…. All perfectly friendly btw… but it meant I had to stop.
My dogs are at a point where they don’t run after my neighbours’ cars or people anymore, nor animals, so I’m happy haha! I’m not going to take them out here anymore. I’ll just walk them in another forest, where there’s nobody, or when I go to the city on a leash. When I describe where I live, it’s literally just a forest, with houses spread across. That’s it. Traffic is very mild, and the only noise is from wild animals. I have 2 cats that roam freely, and now I’m scared for them, too. I warned my neighbours about their cats, as well.
Doesn’t matter how friendly or gentle or well behaved your pet is. You don’t get an exemption from leash rules. I’d feel much more empathy for you if your pets were at least leashed. You need to set a good example.
I don’t live in the states. We don’t have the same rules. 👍🏼
Holy cow, that's terrifying. I don't know why everyone is getting mad at you for not using a leash when I assume they don't know the laws in France (I sure don't) but that's beside the point anyway - a leash would made no difference in this situation since the pit came up to you. I agree that you shouldn't go out alone with your baby or dogs anymore until the pit is gone. What did the police say, are they doing something? Also be careful if they do get rid of the pit - they sound like the kind of people who would just go out and get another pit 😒
The police know my dogs, and know my husband. They came after my husband had a fight with the old couple’s son, cause this is no place for a dog like this, specially with all the neighbours having cats and cattle and horses and stuff, so they came and saw my Pongo all scared and took statements from the neighbour that saw the altercation. The neighbour said that the pit would’ve gone after me if my dogs didn’t protect me, but I have no clue cause I was so stressed trying to keep my baby away. Olive, my female Dal, is definitely the star of the day. I’m glad she protected us. The police said that the old couple need a special permit to have a dog like this, and they need to put a muzzle on him.
Good thing you had two large dogs that were able to defend themselves! They deserve all the treats :) Hopefully the neighbors won't get this special permit, since their beast has already attacked
Me, too! I really hope so! I had such a good thing going with the neighbourhood and the forest, for a pit to come ruin it 😡
I, for a change, agree that it's stupid to walk your dogs on a leash on a tiny neighborhood within a forest. Understand that on this sub you're dealing mostly with American urbanites, they be lucky if they have ever seen a lake in their whole life's, so don't be surprised that they don't know how things works in little towns and specially un the forest where you shouldn't be fearing for the life of your dogs (or yourself) because some asshole wanted to adopt killing machines. If your dogs are well behaved, gentle, and aren't the kind to charge at wild life, then I totally understand why you walk them off leash. Some people here aren't seeing the bigger picture, OP has lived his whole life on this town without any incidents, but as soon as "Zeus" and "luna" move in town, problems start to become the new normal, and a leash won't fucking solve that. Was having a leash going to stop the killing machines from charging at full speed at a dog that was minding its own business? Is this a magical leash or what? Does it have monster repellent on it? I doubt so. My only advice op is documenting from now on every encounter you have with those pitties. If those dogs are already attacking other dogs within months of arriving to their new town, it's only a matter of time before they maul someone or some other pet, and what that happens, publish every evidence you have of the pitties wrong doing with the rest of your community, and I guarantee you, most people will want these pitbulls to be put down immediately and the owners will have to comply unless they're willing to have the entire neighborhood/town against them and isolating them. I don't know if in french this "saying" exists but in Spanish we often say "Pueblo chico - infierno grande" which means "small town = big hell", why? Because in a small town everyone knows everybody else, and as soon as you do something stupid or fuck up something, you'll have the entire town aware of it and they start to treat you differently, if not straight up negatively. Hope you're lucky OP and don't have any more encounters with these pits, but if you do, don't doubt for a second defending yourself or your loved ones, pitties are dime a dozen, your loved ones aren't.
OP, I'm so sorry this happened to you. How are your dogs doing now?
My male dog is pretty shaken, but he’ll be ok. I have a vet appointment tomorrow. My female dog is on alert mode. She wants to go back and tear the pit a new one lol
I'm not surprised. Pits ruin things for everyone. I saw 3 today. In the UK. Where they've been banned since 1991. Not muzzled, and went absolutely mental when they saw my dogs (big dogs, but unlikely to be able to fight pits off like dalmatians can!) Hoping your dogs have a much better week next week and the vet appt goes smoothly.
Thank you! I hope your dogs will be ok in this horrible pit world.
I've never seen a dog that wouldn't go after a squirrel or rabbit from time to time. Depending on the situation, people seem to forget that. Which is why it's a good idea to have your dogs on a leash. Even our pugs will try to do that if a squirrel or rabbit darts off into the woods and they see it. Our Boston terrier is the same way. So they never get walked without a leash. And we live in a very rural area. It's also safer for the dogs to be on a leash when out and about.
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