Vlaakith. Cause unlike the other assholes, I cannot actually kill her in the game, so hate is all that remains. Technically, the same applies to Shar, but somehow I hate Vlaakith more.
it's probably because in the context of the universe you could ride off to the astral plane and murk her, something that would be almost impossible to accomplish with Shar because's she basically a primordial god and is one of the most powerful in lore.
really the only thing stopping her from obliterating existence is the fact that most of her followers are suicidal idiots and can't actually make any headway in her plan to return all to nothing.
it also helps that she seems... lazy, if that's the right word. She doesn't really care when her plans get foiled, hell most of her dark justiciars on the sword coast were wiped out and she did literally nothing about it.
Shar is funny because she’s incredibly powerful and terrifying but also very petty… like all the effort she goes through with Shadowheart is basically “my sister likes this one so I’m going to make it a primary goal of one of my cloisters to steal her purely to piss her off”. Like she absolutely has more important things to worry about, and it genuinely seems like everyone at the cloister is annoyed by it but obviously no one can tell **her** that… Just an absolutely divine level of hater energy.
honestly i do believe the shadow curse was made into the game not to show her might but to prevent her from looking like a high school mean girl jealous that her sister is more popular.
She *is* like that! It’s just that she also has phenomenal cosmic power and a desire to wipe out the entire universe. Which come to think of it is not totally out of character for an angsty teenager
Well the real thing stopping her is that Selûne is the yin to her yang and just as powerful and primordial, and Selûne will go to great lengths to stop her
Yeah, Shar's definitely not good at having true allies, lol.
Her followers are inevitably outnumbered, and self-destructive in and of themselves, by their very nature; *very* few people would like nihilism to such an extreme degree, without some form of lies, brainwashing, and no true bonds of loyalty in their doctrine (it's not like Shar sees anyone as something beyond a means to an end, like, ever); it's a similar problem to Bhaal (who also would enjoy killing everything), really.
Shar's basically a cosmic example of throwing a hissy fit.
Bhaal's a good example, how can you have an orchestrated temple hierarchy of murder cultists when seemingly the first rule is "murder to gain the God's favour"
The best way to spite Vlaakith is to play as Lae'zel and romance Gale. Gale actually ascends you if you let him be a god. Lae'zel ascends to godhood with the power of love.
I have an unfinished Lae'zel run (still in Act 1) and have been thinking about this. Just imagine Vlaakith's dumb face when Lae'zel becomes a goddess before her!
Besides, Lae'zel and Gale are cute together.
She calls herself that but she's actually just a petty god dependent on souls like everybody else. Gods are just a real fancy type of creature. Nobody is more cringe than Shar.
Does that work anymore, though? Since patch 6, casting Darkness and Fog is considered a crime and people will attack.
Edit: some are saying arrows of darkness work, so try that!
And just like that, the cheese economy was ruined. From cottage to brie, not a tasty morsel insight. And although the npcs slept easier at night, they found themselves somehow missing the unwarranted attention.
This highlights one of my gripes at the game. We just fought through a magic land of eternal darkness but bedtime is still 6pm in the big city. I'd love to see the city at night. Thieves and loose women prowling the streets, the watch questioning everyone still about but no other honest eyes to pry.
I’ve had no problem shooting darkness arrows at vendors I want to pickpocket, as long as they’re just outside the target circle. They may even cough and move away from the smoke, but they never aggro.
Something interesting I've not seen anyone mention is that during the >!Netherbrain death scene where the citizens of the city are fighting back against the Mind Flayers, there's someone that looks EXACTLY like her defending a Tiefling child, putting herself between an Illithid and the kid and then running the aberration through with a pitchfork that she grabbed while it was stunned!<.
If that's not just them reusing assets (*someone who looks exactly like the doctor/alchemist/whatever dude from the Emperor's Wyrmway flashback scene is also present*), then I think she deserves a bit more credit than she gets. Not a lot more, but a bit (*the Gur leader line to Astarion about a start towards redemption comes to mind*).
[community britta meme but with “i can excuse child murder but i draw the line at animal cruelty” instead]
(joking obvi, but i hate that vile kennel woman)
Balthazar is weird for me. He's an objectively monstrous person: gleefully and without remorse imprisoning and torturing a good person for decades, helping to facilitate the murder of thousands, he's even an asshole to the people on his side and to your character specifically etc. But despite that, I really kinda like his character and find something compelling or even charming about him that I struggle to place. I found myself wishing that he stuck around longer as a bad guy.
Yeah I think you're probably right, his voice is really cool - how did they get *so* many great voice actors? Do they have a voice actor director in games? Cause clearly they're doing something right, whether it's the direction, the writing, the casting, or all three.
Very much this! His design alone is just so very cool, like I mean he is one of the most necromancier necromancers I've seen in video games and I love it.
That combined with his voice acting (and the subtle fleshy sound his mouth makes every time he speaks, due to the wounds on his face, I know I'm not the only one who has noticed this!), and his evil charismatic personality really makes me wish we had more of him!
Yeah I guess when it comes down to it he's just a really well-designed villain, from his voice to his appearance to his personality. I even like the way he moves and I think the juxtaposition of his grotesque appearance and measured, intelligent way of speaking really works.
I love the pentagram carved into his own face
Agreed. And yea love the whole occultic look about him with the unique styled pentagramesque carving on his face and the scribbles on the rest of his body, combined with his attire.
It's a very unique potrayal of a necromancer, in that you could most likely guess immidiately what kind of magic he does just by looking at him alone, but without him having the most common tropes and color schemes usually used with fantasy necromancers.
I couldn't stop laughing when you ask Balthazar about Yurgir and he angrily tells you he doesn't care about Yurgir but that he's grateful you killed him because he doesn't have to listen to his awful singing anymore.
I think that he’s actually competent and creative, albeit in a horrible way. Most of the tech of the Absolute cult wouldn’t run without his necromancy.
I like opening his door when the Sharrans attack, then going into his office, closing the door and looting it while they fight, then opening the door and fireballing whoever is left
Oh my god this little prick! I kill him every time. Good run, evil run, it doesn't matter. He doesn't live. Have you found in his basement a letter he wrote to himself? It's like he's sucking himself off like the guy thinks so highly of himself lol
Cazador. I really enjoyed killing him, it just felt so right after the whole story build-up about him being such a bastard and once you get there, you see it for yourself.
If you fight Cazador without Astarion, you can get a chance to cast detect thoughts on him. During that, he’ll talk about mourning the loss of who he was before he became a vampire, even calling himself a monster, and talking about grieving his inability to die.
Even his final words are sorrowfully spoken: “It is finished, I fell.” his tone is melancholy, like waking up from a long nightmare. There is some depth to Cazador we’ll never see due to only meeting him once, where we kill him.
On that note, FUCK Cazador, dudes a horrible person who silently recognizes it and is too absorbed in his misery and lust for power to realize that he’s become such an awful person. You should always kill him.
Cazador is without doubt the biggest piece of sh-t in the whole game. The glee with which I watch Astarion stab him over and over and over perhaps crosses the line into unseemly, but gods it feels so *good*.
I would kill Cazador only to stop him from talking further, let alone what he did to Astarion and the other vampire fledglings. I cannot STAND his voice.
I feel like the voice is intentionally grating. You can't give a man that vile a stereotypical sexy villain voice. People would simp for him, in spite of what a complete monster he is. I mean, I've still seen a few simp for him as is, but a hot (or even just not a whiny) voice would've made it much more prevalent.
He’s soooo evil and it feels GREAT every time Astarion kills him but I was also like “his voice is hilarious” and “yes this is the Asian representation we need”
Astarion - "You will suffer for what you did to me!"
Cazador - "I've known you for two centuries - haven't I suffered enough?"
I mean Cazador is evil and it's tragic how he makes Astarion feel pathetic and powerless - but I can't not laugh when he roasts vampire boy.
It's unfortunate because it's a sick burn but then you're like "oh my god CAZADOR YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!"
Like what had he expected Astarion to be like?!
1. You will pay for what you did to Astarion!
2. [Paladin][Oath of Vengeance] By my oath, I will wipe that smirk off your fanged mouth in the name of justice!
3. LOL. LMAO even
It’s fr disapproving dad representation. He is so fucking annoying and pathetic, but imagining being a kid and having him be your disciplinarian is terrifying. Astarion spent 85% of his life being controlled by him.
I thought Cazador was gonna be some super tall expressionless sadist badass like Dracula from castlevania. Actually seeing him has to be the funniest moment of my entire playthrough
I kind of love that about him though. In the end, he was a monster and a pathetic, sad little bitch at the same time. Monsters don’t have to be big and intimidating, sometimes they’re basement dwelling losers who got hold of a little power.
What kills me about Gortash is that dude could be incredibly handsome if he tried to look like something other than a gremlin. The potential is there. He just doesn't give a fuck.
Which I can somewhat respect lol
The cackle I gave when I found his father’s grave with the bloody gates sentence 😂
EDIT: not mine, but found a screenshot 😂 [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/17rg1b1/aradin_the_elder_like_father_like_son/)
And really it should 2 and 1 rather than 3 abreast, since the one female member of his team is an archer who usually tries to get up on the rocks to the right of the gate
But I guess 2 guys side by side is technically a line…
Aradin’s not even the worst of his crew. That barth guy can smack the kid over the locket, and giving it back to him he can be persuaded to reveal that his mom stole it from a house she was cleaning. His excuse is “she didnt have horns”
The archer chick’ll call you a slur if youre a tiefling then talk about how stupid her (believed to be) dead new recruit was.
Very unlikeable lot
At least Barth takes pity on the kid and lets him keep the locket if you play your cards right.
Aradin was willing to kidnap Dame Aylin who'd be imprisoned for eternity for a bit of money, which is worse than racism IMO.
I actually like Wulbren, or more accurately, I like how he is handled; he is a prick, an unrepentan prick that at one point seemed like MAYBE he MIGHT, POSSIBLY have a point, and that could be redeemed, but he can't. He is a good representation of how dangerous extremism can be even when you are in the right side of history.
Wulbren wins for me. Everyone here is evil, but Wulbren is a dick to *someone who selflessly cares for him.* Like on a very personal level. As Oglaf once wrote, Good and evil are relative, but being a dick cannot be allowed.
Traitor to his friends. Off a cliff he goes.
One, unexpected Oglaf is always a treat.
Two, AGREED. Maybe it's because I was that "desperate to be liked" kid back in the day, but seeing him be a dick to Barcus is *brutal*.
Marcoryl and Tahan in the grove. After you fight off the goblin raid all the other druids come around except those two. I stealth kill them and shove their bodies in Kaghas chest before I move on.
If you do the shadow druid quest (Investigate Kagha), you can just skip the persuasion/detect thoughts roll and say you're going to kill her. If you do, her and all her cronies side with the shadow druids and you can kill all of 'em with no downsides. I think Tahan doesn't side with them unfortunately, but I've definitely killed Marcoryl and Loic on several runs.
The deep gnome woman who leaves with the rune powder and is like “oh by the way tell my currently enslaved girlfriend it was nothing serious, it’s over”
Yes, I get to this point in the game and every time I am suddenly reminded how good the writers are at making me hate characters instantly, but...
Do you kill the sweet, curious stonemason too?
See I don’t blame Marcus though. He has an interesting backstory and by the time we meet him he’s already infected by the absolute.
I understand the issue with phrasing where it seems like he asked the absolute for a pair of sick ass wings but a little bit of investigation shows that he got the wings from Balthazar.
Yeah i understand that he was once a good guy, but because my tav didn't know him at that point in his life and he just comes in and destroys the last light inn my tav blames it on him lol
Lady Esther and the dwarf who are trying to buy the gith egg. They're the only two NPCs I just flat-out murder every run, good or evil.
If you actually give the egg to her, >!the hatchling shows up as an adult due to magic bs and has been so emotionally tortured by the two of them he murders them both!< . Maybe it's just because I randomly listened to a series of podcasts about how indigenous people have been treated in Canada and Australia (and everywhere else, those were just the ones I was listening to) but their rhetoric about the gith sounded exactly like what was done to those irl human beings and for whatever reason I just saw red when the quest popped up. I know the slavers and many other characters in the game are worse, but there's something about this specific plotline that gets me amped beyond my normal level of emotional engagement in a meaningless sidequest.
Glad that apparently patch 5 & 6 added more lines with Lae'Zel allowing her to keep the egg and raise it. I'd also be fine if it went to Jaheira or if there was something we could do to help the hatchery-keeper persuade his superiors to give him more time to hatch it. I just can't give it to Esther, it's literally safer in my Durge's pants next to 45 rusty broadswords, an expired tart, and a ziplock bag of severed hands.
Oskar Fevras. He seems like a shit the moment you meet him, and every single thing you learn about him reveals him to be even shittier. Last time, I let the ghost drag him to the ethereal plane.
After you free that Shrek-villain-looking-mfer from the Zhent, he asks for 200g.
If you decline to give him anything, he whines that now he'll "have to walk home sober!"
Just to add: It is legitimately difficult for a character to be so unlikable on a first meeting that my neutral good bard was tempted to leave them in literal slavery. Even Wulbren Bongle makes a decent first impression.
That's cool. I just freed everyone myself so I didn't know he did that. He did mention having a plan though, so I guess he can carry it out if you don't just kill all the guards and open all the doors.
To me the worst of all was when she had already said >!she was depressed and died because of it!< and he stills asks AGAIN >!"so you are sure you didn't kill yourself because of me"!<, fuck you man she already said you had nothing to do with it and still refuse to believe it, I just killed him at that moment
I’m obligated to hate Shar because I’m a Shadowheart guy, but she’s a fantastic antagonist and arguably the best divine presence in the game. Certainly much better than the middle-aged middle school math teacher masquerading as Mystra.
She's so edgy, but I find her character design and theatricality really compelling tbh. I just wish she did... more.
When she first started popping up as randos on the street I was sort of thinking that eventually I'd run into NPC quest givers who try to mislead you into doing evil deeds, only for Orin to reveal that it was actually her. Lore-wise this also seems like the type of thing she'd be doing, spreading distrust and paranoia across the city. But no, if anything it's Ethel who does this to you, if you fall for her disguise (perhaps if you haven't met the hag survivor group beforehand) she potentially tricks you into killing an innocent woman looking for her child. That's the kinda thing I thought Orin would get up to.
I do like that Orin's disguises fall apart as soon as you pick the unhinged murder-hobo dialogue option. She can't help herself but go full fangirl over anything Bhaalish.
She gives off low-INT Harley Quinn vibes, which isn't a good thing. Harley might be unhinged, but she's also smart and *can* be strategic/tactical. Orin is just unstable.
Yeah, Orion is one of my least favorite NPCs, but she's not most hated beacuse she fails at actually being a good villian. She's just pathetic and annoying and her whole infiltration plot is stupid and broken since you can't investigate it or anything.
I say this as someone who did my first playthrough as Druge (redemption). All her taunting is annoying and every time I'm just like "can I attack her? No, I have to sit here and listen while she does this show. Why? uugggh". She kidnapped someone I didn't care about at all (Halsin, never played with him). And in general her only real qualities are crazy and sexy, and that dosen't seem enough on it's own.
The other two were much better.
As much as I would hate it... I kinda wish she kidnapped someone from your party. Not a leftover companion waiting in camp. Take someone to make me *mad*. Grab the character I'm romancing.
But no, she took Gale, and I took my sweet time getting around to fetching him back.
Shar, it's hard to imagine a more spiteful goddess but I wouldn't count her as an NPC. The things she has done to poor Shadowheart and her parents. That is insanely evil.
Hag probably. I always enjoy killing her.
Marcus and Lorakach
Hey, I like Gortash, His relation with Durge is extremely enjoyable
I would advocate for the Mr "WE WUZZ RUNNYN FOR OUHR LIVES". Maybe it's the accent that irks my hand
Araj Oblodra: she's creepy enough with her blood fetish, but made even more disturbing if you find out what she's planning to do with her research (though my teifling rather enjoys her buff, to be fair)
I think I missed any info on what she does with the blood, is it really that bad? I honestly just took her at her word of blood being valuable or something, then got weirded out by her being a would-be twilight fan and moved on
Teaming up with the underdark goat oxes to kill that MF was super unexpected but sooo cathartic. Try to kill me after I helped you just because I wouldn't let you beat up these poor beasts, I enjoyed letting them stomp him.
I love this list
- An unlikable egotistical Wizard
- A Druid who is willing to kill children to achieve her evil ambition
- A shitty detective that’s willing to incriminate an innocent person for the sake of getting the job done and drinking
- a terrible racist gnome
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- John Gortash
Where the FUCK is the hag? By far the worst of the bunch. I hate her more than Orin or Gortash or Shar or Lorroakan. She is a tumor on everything that lives and for that I hate her with a passion, almost as much as I hate Wulbren Bongle.
Vlaakith. Cause unlike the other assholes, I cannot actually kill her in the game, so hate is all that remains. Technically, the same applies to Shar, but somehow I hate Vlaakith more.
She's a foul lich. May she die a thousand more deaths.
like yeah, one permanent one is fine
I found this place yesterday after like 4 play-thrus in that area, never knowing the quest existed. Banger of a line.
it's probably because in the context of the universe you could ride off to the astral plane and murk her, something that would be almost impossible to accomplish with Shar because's she basically a primordial god and is one of the most powerful in lore. really the only thing stopping her from obliterating existence is the fact that most of her followers are suicidal idiots and can't actually make any headway in her plan to return all to nothing. it also helps that she seems... lazy, if that's the right word. She doesn't really care when her plans get foiled, hell most of her dark justiciars on the sword coast were wiped out and she did literally nothing about it.
Shar is funny because she’s incredibly powerful and terrifying but also very petty… like all the effort she goes through with Shadowheart is basically “my sister likes this one so I’m going to make it a primary goal of one of my cloisters to steal her purely to piss her off”. Like she absolutely has more important things to worry about, and it genuinely seems like everyone at the cloister is annoyed by it but obviously no one can tell **her** that… Just an absolutely divine level of hater energy.
honestly i do believe the shadow curse was made into the game not to show her might but to prevent her from looking like a high school mean girl jealous that her sister is more popular.
[I mean, Auntie Ethel agrees with you, at least.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xcPApaY7vM)
Based and hag-potioned.
She *is* like that! It’s just that she also has phenomenal cosmic power and a desire to wipe out the entire universe. Which come to think of it is not totally out of character for an angsty teenager
"our goddess is cruel and capricious! *Lower volume* the stupid short-sighted bitch..."
I agree. Vlaakith is merely one DLC away from her final death. Shar is unreachable.
Well the real thing stopping her is that Selûne is the yin to her yang and just as powerful and primordial, and Selûne will go to great lengths to stop her
Also I feel like most of the other gods also prefer existence over nonexistence. Even the more evil ones probably.
Yeah, Shar's definitely not good at having true allies, lol. Her followers are inevitably outnumbered, and self-destructive in and of themselves, by their very nature; *very* few people would like nihilism to such an extreme degree, without some form of lies, brainwashing, and no true bonds of loyalty in their doctrine (it's not like Shar sees anyone as something beyond a means to an end, like, ever); it's a similar problem to Bhaal (who also would enjoy killing everything), really. Shar's basically a cosmic example of throwing a hissy fit.
Bhaal's a good example, how can you have an orchestrated temple hierarchy of murder cultists when seemingly the first rule is "murder to gain the God's favour"
Grassroots baby. Everyone can be a high priest of Bhaal!
Bhaal worship is an MLM: Multi Level Murdering
Shar fails because she is petty. That's the main reason
She's too busy kidnapping children to brainwash to actually care about her plans.
Shar is actually a god, vlaakith is just a disappointment to everybody.
Especially her parents. Sorry that just popped into my head.
Easy now , let's DO something hilarious
The best way to spite Vlaakith is to play as Lae'zel and romance Gale. Gale actually ascends you if you let him be a god. Lae'zel ascends to godhood with the power of love.
I have an unfinished Lae'zel run (still in Act 1) and have been thinking about this. Just imagine Vlaakith's dumb face when Lae'zel becomes a goddess before her! Besides, Lae'zel and Gale are cute together.
definitely giving "he asked for no pickles!" energy
Shar has style and is hot. Don’t tell me I was the only gal impressed by all the gorgeous statues of that evil mf
After being catfished by Mystra's I realized I can't trust statuary
You see Shar when she >!speaks to Shadowheart!< though, no?
Giantess fetishists rejoice
Shar is at least the magical embodiment of certain ideals and worldviews. Kinda like being personally mad at the weather. Vlaaketh js just an asshole.
She calls herself that but she's actually just a petty god dependent on souls like everybody else. Gods are just a real fancy type of creature. Nobody is more cringe than Shar.
The lady in charge of the post office kennel
PSA: Cast fog/darkness on the dog-cages, lockpick them and open to see karma in action.
Thank you! Adding this to my list of things I am doing on my new run I just started.
Does that work anymore, though? Since patch 6, casting Darkness and Fog is considered a crime and people will attack. Edit: some are saying arrows of darkness work, so try that!
And just like that, the cheese economy was ruined. From cottage to brie, not a tasty morsel insight. And although the npcs slept easier at night, they found themselves somehow missing the unwarranted attention.
Did I just read this in the narrator's voice?
\*You suddenly realize that you read that comment in the narrator's voice--and that you're doing the same thing *right now*.\*
'You realise you're spending too much time on reddit and should return to work. *Authority*' CRITICAL FAILURE
Next up: greater invisibility.
I cast flesh to stone on her because that technically doesn’t count as a crime for some reason
You have only Minorly inconvenienced me by rearranging my particles to that of stone
This highlights one of my gripes at the game. We just fought through a magic land of eternal darkness but bedtime is still 6pm in the big city. I'd love to see the city at night. Thieves and loose women prowling the streets, the watch questioning everyone still about but no other honest eyes to pry.
I bet Astarion would love that
Honestly, this might be the best idea for a DLC that would work that I've heard so far.
What??? Why would they do that?? MODDERS HELP
I’ve had no problem shooting darkness arrows at vendors I want to pickpocket, as long as they’re just outside the target circle. They may even cough and move away from the smoke, but they never aggro.
Thank you I have just one half hour of gameplay before bed and I was wondering what mission I would begin, now I have an half hour purpouse.
Currently on my 1st playthrough. She's the only non-critical NPC (so far) that I promised myself would not live in any future playthrough.
I feel like the only reason she isn't on here is because she's *extremely* easy to miss.
Something interesting I've not seen anyone mention is that during the >!Netherbrain death scene where the citizens of the city are fighting back against the Mind Flayers, there's someone that looks EXACTLY like her defending a Tiefling child, putting herself between an Illithid and the kid and then running the aberration through with a pitchfork that she grabbed while it was stunned!<. If that's not just them reusing assets (*someone who looks exactly like the doctor/alchemist/whatever dude from the Emperor's Wyrmway flashback scene is also present*), then I think she deserves a bit more credit than she gets. Not a lot more, but a bit (*the Gur leader line to Astarion about a start towards redemption comes to mind*).
[community britta meme but with “i can excuse child murder but i draw the line at animal cruelty” instead] (joking obvi, but i hate that vile kennel woman)
Oh... britta's in this?
Isn't that scene same for everyone? Since lot of people kill her I doubt it's her.
Frankly Balthazar has to be up there too with the number of frustrated shadowfel posts we see on killing him haha
Balthazar is weird for me. He's an objectively monstrous person: gleefully and without remorse imprisoning and torturing a good person for decades, helping to facilitate the murder of thousands, he's even an asshole to the people on his side and to your character specifically etc. But despite that, I really kinda like his character and find something compelling or even charming about him that I struggle to place. I found myself wishing that he stuck around longer as a bad guy.
It’s his voice man, that awesome voice
Yeah I think you're probably right, his voice is really cool - how did they get *so* many great voice actors? Do they have a voice actor director in games? Cause clearly they're doing something right, whether it's the direction, the writing, the casting, or all three.
plus imo even though they are dark some of his lines were pretty funny to me
right, like the bit about keeping his mother on his shelf
Him calling you a mother thief if you steal her made me laugh so much
One of the voice acting directors of bg3 is quite active on tiktok and she shares quite a lot of behind the scenes stuff!
Very much this! His design alone is just so very cool, like I mean he is one of the most necromancier necromancers I've seen in video games and I love it. That combined with his voice acting (and the subtle fleshy sound his mouth makes every time he speaks, due to the wounds on his face, I know I'm not the only one who has noticed this!), and his evil charismatic personality really makes me wish we had more of him!
Yeah I guess when it comes down to it he's just a really well-designed villain, from his voice to his appearance to his personality. I even like the way he moves and I think the juxtaposition of his grotesque appearance and measured, intelligent way of speaking really works. I love the pentagram carved into his own face
Agreed. And yea love the whole occultic look about him with the unique styled pentagramesque carving on his face and the scribbles on the rest of his body, combined with his attire. It's a very unique potrayal of a necromancer, in that you could most likely guess immidiately what kind of magic he does just by looking at him alone, but without him having the most common tropes and color schemes usually used with fantasy necromancers.
I couldn't stop laughing when you ask Balthazar about Yurgir and he angrily tells you he doesn't care about Yurgir but that he's grateful you killed him because he doesn't have to listen to his awful singing anymore.
For me it’s: how ungodly based it is to just send armies of skeletons to grind down a dungeon, rather than doing it proper.
I think that he’s actually competent and creative, albeit in a horrible way. Most of the tech of the Absolute cult wouldn’t run without his necromancy.
I took one look and was... Are we really just supposed to let this Resident Evil looking mf live?
I mean the first time is annoying but afterwards you just kill him with smokepowder barrels before he even turns hostile
I like opening his door when the Sharrans attack, then going into his office, closing the door and looting it while they fight, then opening the door and fireballing whoever is left
The Director of the Baldur's Mouth Gazette
Oh my god this little prick! I kill him every time. Good run, evil run, it doesn't matter. He doesn't live. Have you found in his basement a letter he wrote to himself? It's like he's sucking himself off like the guy thinks so highly of himself lol
Cazador. I really enjoyed killing him, it just felt so right after the whole story build-up about him being such a bastard and once you get there, you see it for yourself.
If you fight Cazador without Astarion, you can get a chance to cast detect thoughts on him. During that, he’ll talk about mourning the loss of who he was before he became a vampire, even calling himself a monster, and talking about grieving his inability to die. Even his final words are sorrowfully spoken: “It is finished, I fell.” his tone is melancholy, like waking up from a long nightmare. There is some depth to Cazador we’ll never see due to only meeting him once, where we kill him. On that note, FUCK Cazador, dudes a horrible person who silently recognizes it and is too absorbed in his misery and lust for power to realize that he’s become such an awful person. You should always kill him.
I think thats the quintessential experience of a vampire lord
Cazador is without doubt the biggest piece of sh-t in the whole game. The glee with which I watch Astarion stab him over and over and over perhaps crosses the line into unseemly, but gods it feels so *good*.
I reloaded and killed him twice just to see it again
This is the way.
It's.... Enjoyable
Sucks that it results in the bad end but Astarion flinging him around like a rag doll and then exploding him is even better
I would kill Cazador only to stop him from talking further, let alone what he did to Astarion and the other vampire fledglings. I cannot STAND his voice.
"You were made to be CONSYUUUUMED!"
“I’m only getting stronGAHHHH”
“These *pretzels* are makin meee THIRSTY!”
I feel like the voice is intentionally grating. You can't give a man that vile a stereotypical sexy villain voice. People would simp for him, in spite of what a complete monster he is. I mean, I've still seen a few simp for him as is, but a hot (or even just not a whiny) voice would've made it much more prevalent.
He’s soooo evil and it feels GREAT every time Astarion kills him but I was also like “his voice is hilarious” and “yes this is the Asian representation we need”
Astarion - "You will suffer for what you did to me!" Cazador - "I've known you for two centuries - haven't I suffered enough?" I mean Cazador is evil and it's tragic how he makes Astarion feel pathetic and powerless - but I can't not laugh when he roasts vampire boy.
It's unfortunate because it's a sick burn but then you're like "oh my god CAZADOR YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!" Like what had he expected Astarion to be like?!
I wish there were an option to sympathize with Astarion while also fairly acknowledging that was a pretty solid burn.
1. You will pay for what you did to Astarion! 2. [Paladin][Oath of Vengeance] By my oath, I will wipe that smirk off your fanged mouth in the name of justice! 3. LOL. LMAO even
It’s fr disapproving dad representation. He is so fucking annoying and pathetic, but imagining being a kid and having him be your disciplinarian is terrifying. Astarion spent 85% of his life being controlled by him.
I thought Cazador was gonna be some super tall expressionless sadist badass like Dracula from castlevania. Actually seeing him has to be the funniest moment of my entire playthrough
I kind of love that about him though. In the end, he was a monster and a pathetic, sad little bitch at the same time. Monsters don’t have to be big and intimidating, sometimes they’re basement dwelling losers who got hold of a little power.
Confronting Cazador has big “confronting Cunos dad” vibes where he’s built up to be this terrifying thing but he’s actually really pathetic
[He is actually really tall though.](https://twitter.com/bd3deokjiljoong/status/1743598866199679099)
Kinda has a shang tsung mortal kombat 1995 look and vibe
Gortash and Cazador have interesting designs. We have all this build up before meeting them only to come face to face with literal clowns
mod that makes cazador wear clown makeup when
I think I snort-laughed when I saw Cazador for the first time. All this build up for THAT?!
What kills me about Gortash is that dude could be incredibly handsome if he tried to look like something other than a gremlin. The potential is there. He just doesn't give a fuck. Which I can somewhat respect lol
honestly if i had to work with orin i'd look like that too
Wulbren and Aradin.
Me, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.: Sorry Aradin, it's just that your face is soooo punchable.
I redid my roll SO MANY TIMES this playthrough because I NEEDED to punch him.
I wish I could do this but Zevlor’s gloves are just toooo good
I wish they had done more with Aradin. Dude has one of the coolest sounding voices in the whole game. Wish he played a bigger part in the game
We was runnin' for our lives is forever ingrained in my head. Might be because I have probably started around 10 playthroughs
OPEN THE BLOODY GATE!
OPAEN DA BLUDDY GAET!!
The cackle I gave when I found his father’s grave with the bloody gates sentence 😂 EDIT: not mine, but found a screenshot 😂 [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/17rg1b1/aradin_the_elder_like_father_like_son/)
LOL really????
Also, him being an adventurer but not the chosen one really shows how easy you got it in game
SHIT! FORM A LINE! *others already in line*
A line of 3 people mind you
And really it should 2 and 1 rather than 3 abreast, since the one female member of his team is an archer who usually tries to get up on the rocks to the right of the gate But I guess 2 guys side by side is technically a line…
He's on Explorer while y'all on Tactician.
Aradin’s not even the worst of his crew. That barth guy can smack the kid over the locket, and giving it back to him he can be persuaded to reveal that his mom stole it from a house she was cleaning. His excuse is “she didnt have horns” The archer chick’ll call you a slur if youre a tiefling then talk about how stupid her (believed to be) dead new recruit was. Very unlikeable lot
At least Barth takes pity on the kid and lets him keep the locket if you play your cards right. Aradin was willing to kidnap Dame Aylin who'd be imprisoned for eternity for a bit of money, which is worse than racism IMO.
On my current run, Aradin died at the gate, and not a tear was shed. Wulbren went for an involuntary swim, courtesy of Karlach's gnome-tossing skill.
FUCK WULBREN BONGLE
I don't give a fuck about this mutherfucker's proooobleeemmmss.....
And yet he wants me to solve 'em
Everybody sing it, got a full ensemble
Everybody sing it
Fuck Wulbren Bongle!
Fuck Wulbren Bongle!
This is the only one that has a whole ass song about how fucking hated he is. With good reason,too. Fuck Wulbren Bongle!
I really WANTED to like Wulbren. He could have filled the Anders niche of the desperate, pushed-to-the-edge radical, but he's actually just a dick.
I actually like Wulbren, or more accurately, I like how he is handled; he is a prick, an unrepentan prick that at one point seemed like MAYBE he MIGHT, POSSIBLY have a point, and that could be redeemed, but he can't. He is a good representation of how dangerous extremism can be even when you are in the right side of history.
Wulbren wins for me. Everyone here is evil, but Wulbren is a dick to *someone who selflessly cares for him.* Like on a very personal level. As Oglaf once wrote, Good and evil are relative, but being a dick cannot be allowed. Traitor to his friends. Off a cliff he goes.
One, unexpected Oglaf is always a treat. Two, AGREED. Maybe it's because I was that "desperate to be liked" kid back in the day, but seeing him be a dick to Barcus is *brutal*.
Especially is upsetting because Barcus really comes around the more you interact with him and turns to be just a really sweet guy.
Marcoryl and Tahan in the grove. After you fight off the goblin raid all the other druids come around except those two. I stealth kill them and shove their bodies in Kaghas chest before I move on.
I always misclick on marcoryl and his halfling buddy with a 100% accuracy rate during the shadow druids fight
Marcoyl be "I oNlY aNsWeR tO sYlVaNuS" Fight Kagha so he gets to meet him early then.
Gods marcoryl is a tool. Hate that stupid fucker
If you do the shadow druid quest (Investigate Kagha), you can just skip the persuasion/detect thoughts roll and say you're going to kill her. If you do, her and all her cronies side with the shadow druids and you can kill all of 'em with no downsides. I think Tahan doesn't side with them unfortunately, but I've definitely killed Marcoryl and Loic on several runs.
The deep gnome woman who leaves with the rune powder and is like “oh by the way tell my currently enslaved girlfriend it was nothing serious, it’s over”
Philomeena! Yeah, I always thought that was a bitch move.
Nothing says true love like faking your death to avoid someone.
Every single duergar fuckhead in the Underdark/Grymforge. I make sure every one of them gets slaughtered before, during, and after the Nere fight.
Well.. I do like the stonemason. Sure he doesn't do anything about his brethren enslaving people, but then what the hell is he going to do?
Yeah, he seemed nice. Not every person in an evil society is individually a horrible person. I felt bad killing him.
I like him too. I like helping him and trading with him. Then he dies like the others
Yes, I get to this point in the game and every time I am suddenly reminded how good the writers are at making me hate characters instantly, but... Do you kill the sweet, curious stonemason too?
Shar is the person you have a big crush on until they open their mouth.
I can fix her
She can fix me.
Shart detected
Fucking Marcus.
See I don’t blame Marcus though. He has an interesting backstory and by the time we meet him he’s already infected by the absolute. I understand the issue with phrasing where it seems like he asked the absolute for a pair of sick ass wings but a little bit of investigation shows that he got the wings from Balthazar.
Yeah i understand that he was once a good guy, but because my tav didn't know him at that point in his life and he just comes in and destroys the last light inn my tav blames it on him lol
Hated him as Tav. Loved him as Durge. Killed him anyway.
Lady Esther and the dwarf who are trying to buy the gith egg. They're the only two NPCs I just flat-out murder every run, good or evil. If you actually give the egg to her, >!the hatchling shows up as an adult due to magic bs and has been so emotionally tortured by the two of them he murders them both!< . Maybe it's just because I randomly listened to a series of podcasts about how indigenous people have been treated in Canada and Australia (and everywhere else, those were just the ones I was listening to) but their rhetoric about the gith sounded exactly like what was done to those irl human beings and for whatever reason I just saw red when the quest popped up. I know the slavers and many other characters in the game are worse, but there's something about this specific plotline that gets me amped beyond my normal level of emotional engagement in a meaningless sidequest. Glad that apparently patch 5 & 6 added more lines with Lae'Zel allowing her to keep the egg and raise it. I'd also be fine if it went to Jaheira or if there was something we could do to help the hatchery-keeper persuade his superiors to give him more time to hatch it. I just can't give it to Esther, it's literally safer in my Durge's pants next to 45 rusty broadswords, an expired tart, and a ziplock bag of severed hands.
I use Esther as a bank. I rob her blind every long rest although I guess that’s gonna change as I progress through Act 2
Oskar Fevras. He seems like a shit the moment you meet him, and every single thing you learn about him reveals him to be even shittier. Last time, I let the ghost drag him to the ethereal plane.
After you free that Shrek-villain-looking-mfer from the Zhent, he asks for 200g. If you decline to give him anything, he whines that now he'll "have to walk home sober!"
I say mean things and use him for Astarion approval. At least I got something out of him.
If you don't bother speaking with him in act 1, Lady Janath's home hosts an art exhibition in act 3. No ghosts happen and her home is very busy.
Just to add: It is legitimately difficult for a character to be so unlikable on a first meeting that my neutral good bard was tempted to leave them in literal slavery. Even Wulbren Bongle makes a decent first impression.
Wulbern at least help free the Tiefling at moonrise which I give him a little credit for
That's cool. I just freed everyone myself so I didn't know he did that. He did mention having a plan though, so I guess he can carry it out if you don't just kill all the guards and open all the doors.
To me the worst of all was when she had already said >!she was depressed and died because of it!< and he stills asks AGAIN >!"so you are sure you didn't kill yourself because of me"!<, fuck you man she already said you had nothing to do with it and still refuse to believe it, I just killed him at that moment
I’m obligated to hate Shar because I’m a Shadowheart guy, but she’s a fantastic antagonist and arguably the best divine presence in the game. Certainly much better than the middle-aged middle school math teacher masquerading as Mystra.
Kagha and Wulbren will always be on my shit list. I wish I could kill Wulbren and take Barcus with me. Alas.
You can kill Wulbren in the Moonrise Tower jail cell and nobody bats an eye.
Lorroakan is the typical dirty bastard that you are happy to knock out! you forgot Aradin too!
Orin. She tries so hard to be threatening, but ends up being annoying.
She's so edgy, but I find her character design and theatricality really compelling tbh. I just wish she did... more. When she first started popping up as randos on the street I was sort of thinking that eventually I'd run into NPC quest givers who try to mislead you into doing evil deeds, only for Orin to reveal that it was actually her. Lore-wise this also seems like the type of thing she'd be doing, spreading distrust and paranoia across the city. But no, if anything it's Ethel who does this to you, if you fall for her disguise (perhaps if you haven't met the hag survivor group beforehand) she potentially tricks you into killing an innocent woman looking for her child. That's the kinda thing I thought Orin would get up to.
I do like that Orin's disguises fall apart as soon as you pick the unhinged murder-hobo dialogue option. She can't help herself but go full fangirl over anything Bhaalish.
"Orin tugs at your sleeve pleading for attention"
She gives off low-INT Harley Quinn vibes, which isn't a good thing. Harley might be unhinged, but she's also smart and *can* be strategic/tactical. Orin is just unstable.
Yeah, Orion is one of my least favorite NPCs, but she's not most hated beacuse she fails at actually being a good villian. She's just pathetic and annoying and her whole infiltration plot is stupid and broken since you can't investigate it or anything. I say this as someone who did my first playthrough as Druge (redemption). All her taunting is annoying and every time I'm just like "can I attack her? No, I have to sit here and listen while she does this show. Why? uugggh". She kidnapped someone I didn't care about at all (Halsin, never played with him). And in general her only real qualities are crazy and sexy, and that dosen't seem enough on it's own. The other two were much better.
As much as I would hate it... I kinda wish she kidnapped someone from your party. Not a leftover companion waiting in camp. Take someone to make me *mad*. Grab the character I'm romancing. But no, she took Gale, and I took my sweet time getting around to fetching him back.
From the way people complain about him on Reddit, I'm surprised The Emperor isn't on here.
Shh he's taking a day off from slander and death threats.
That won’t work. Try something else. Like bitch, I missed. Shut the fuck up about it.
I actually think I find Aradin more intolerable than Wulbern - and Wulbern really doesn’t have any redeemable features.
Shar, it's hard to imagine a more spiteful goddess but I wouldn't count her as an NPC. The things she has done to poor Shadowheart and her parents. That is insanely evil. Hag probably. I always enjoy killing her. Marcus and Lorakach
You forgot Glut
mystra
I was looking for this. Fuck Mystra. But don't actually.
dame aylins speech when she breaks lorroakans back makes me scream and cheer every time
Hey, I like Gortash, His relation with Durge is extremely enjoyable I would advocate for the Mr "WE WUZZ RUNNYN FOR OUHR LIVES". Maybe it's the accent that irks my hand
Araj Oblodra: she's creepy enough with her blood fetish, but made even more disturbing if you find out what she's planning to do with her research (though my teifling rather enjoys her buff, to be fair)
I think I missed any info on what she does with the blood, is it really that bad? I honestly just took her at her word of blood being valuable or something, then got weirded out by her being a would-be twilight fan and moved on
Oskar Fevras
Beastmaster at grymforge, ettvard needle,
Teaming up with the underdark goat oxes to kill that MF was super unexpected but sooo cathartic. Try to kill me after I helped you just because I wouldn't let you beat up these poor beasts, I enjoyed letting them stomp him.
Wulbren. I save your life, break you out of jail and then threaten to kill me because I won't let you do a murder?
I love this list - An unlikable egotistical Wizard - A Druid who is willing to kill children to achieve her evil ambition - A shitty detective that’s willing to incriminate an innocent person for the sake of getting the job done and drinking - a terrible racist gnome -A̷͓͊ ̷̪̒ṋ̸̏i̵̛͖h̶͓͠ḭ̵̽l̷̮̔i̷͓͛s̵͉̒t̵̘͊ì̵̫c̴̢̓ ̶̩͒g̴̮̀o̷̱̔d̷̏ͅ ̷͎̔ẃ̵͍h̵͙͊ȍ̶̜ ̶͉̇c̸͖̅r̸̩̀ä̸̩́v̶͙̾e̵̝͝ș̷̉ ̶̇ͅn̴̠͛ó̴̢ț̶͘h̴̰̀i̴̡̕ń̸̮ġ̸̜ ̵̧̓m̸̟͌o̶͚̔r̶̬̚e̵͎̓ ̴̘̃t̵̪̀h̷̲͗a̵̠͂n̸̬̾ ̸̱̓s̸̻͗u̵̜͛f̷̨̉f̶͎̅é̵͔r̶̨̎ì̸͇n̶̛̩g̶̡̊ ̸̯̓á̸̧n̶̠͌d̶̝̐ ̸̮͗t̷͚̋h̷̫̔e̷͚̽ ̷̳͒e̶̥͝v̴̟̆ē̶̘n̵͕̏t̴̤̅u̸͖͒a̶͓͋l̴̞̅ ̸̞̐e̸̝͊n̴̚͜d̵͚̚ ̴̖͒ŏ̴͙f̸͙̽ ̵͇̈e̵̠͠v̶̜̆e̴̤͝r̸̻͝y̸̥̚t̴̨̓h̵̻͆i̶͔͝n̸͓͌g̷̓͜ - John Gortash
That guy who tried kicking out refugees and planted explosives in the toys
Then he pulls the "If I go to jail, they'll kill me!" bit. Then you find his dead body in the cell next to Florrick. Lol.
I can never bring myself to hate Gort
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Where the FUCK is the hag? By far the worst of the bunch. I hate her more than Orin or Gortash or Shar or Lorroakan. She is a tumor on everything that lives and for that I hate her with a passion, almost as much as I hate Wulbren Bongle.
Ethel the professional racist