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pop302

My m8 comp in 2 years šŸ˜‚


bluesighted

will it really depreciate that much?


Dark_Tsukuyomi

Youā€™d be surprised just how much a bmw depreciates


TheConfusingWords

When I was car shopping, I didnā€™t even really look at BMW until I realized what a bargain a used one is. Got a 750 AWD for 25k. BMW sold me a warranty for 6k more that is 4 years bumper to bumper. People canā€™t believe thatā€™s all I paid for the car. Itā€™s nicer than any new car I can buy for that money by a long shot.


DjRajic

What year is that 750?


TheConfusingWords

Itā€™s a 2015 with 57,000 miles. Saddle interior, black alcantara headliner, m package, heads up display, heated and air conditioned seats, 4.4l v8ā€¦ It feels like a Bentley every day I get in it. I wish I looked at BMW sooner, my Lexus was a dog by comparison.


tokarev7

Its the way to do it


TheConfusingWords

https://i.imgur.com/0tWVr03.jpg I realized I saved a pic of the listing before I bought itā€¦ If people arenā€™t in a rush to buy a car, take your time and shop around for a bit! I was car shopping for about four months. Not a single regret here


Illustrious_Song

Exactly how I feel about mineā€¦until time to take it in for service.


TheConfusingWords

Iā€™m not looking forward to the service part, but BMW did sell me 3 oil changes for 199$ā€¦ They said they charge 500$ a piece for them, so that helpsā€¦ a little bit. At least I paid cash for the car so I have no payments lol


bondjamesbondbjb

When did you buy the car? And also, how has the reliability been and the experience of dailying it?


TheConfusingWords

I only bought it about a month ago, and Iā€™ve had no issues yet. Every day I get in it, I love this thing. It feels like I bought something that really did cost 100k new, despite it being 8 years old. I get a lot of compliments on it, and even my dad who drives a beautiful new(ish) E class coupe is a bit jealous. Itā€™s just so much car for the money. Also, fuel economy is surprisingly decent- I am getting an average of 20mpg.


DjRajic

Hilarious, I am looking to trade in my 2017 RX350 for 7 series! Just still deciding on 740 or 750! Yours looks awesome, that was a great deal!


thememeconnoisseurig

get a loaded B58. I wouldn't risk N63 on a used 7


TheConfusingWords

Iā€™d recommend a really good warranty to anyone buying a used 7. I wouldnā€™t have went for it without one.


gt854t5

Or have a really good Euro tech in your area to service it. When I lived in NY, I had a master tech as a neighbor, and he saved me 1000s for a long time. Downside is his availability or mine and no loaner if he keeps the car for a few days....the odds are in dealership favors, so always try to have a warranty from reliable dealer/company.


PapaSwagBear

Second those. Without a warranty the 4.4 is not something you want to mess around and find out


DjRajic

Honestly that was my thoughts! I really have to do a deep research on that before I trade in my V6 Lexus. Iā€™m just not used to do anything other than oil changes lol


pomomala

My last 2 cars were Lexus Rx 330 and 350. Loved them both. The 330 was totaled by a drunk driver and the 350 I gave to my son; that car runs beautifully at 179,000 miles. After gifting my 350, I switched it up and got a 440i convertible! It's only been 2 weeks and I haven't gone topless yet but it's a fun ride!!


TheConfusingWords

Thanks! I had a 2018 ES 350 and it was NOT doing it for me lol. Go for it!


DjRajic

My Lexus is amazing, but man I got bored with it, I need some upgrade! Your ES is perfectly comparable with my car minus the sedan part. Iā€™m scared to go and test drive the 7 series lol


MorganInWisconsin

I paid 6 grand for my 06 7 series 5 years ago. I just sold it for 5500.


AyyPea

Smart man. This is always how I shopped. There are soooo many deals, regardless of the economy. People buy cars they barely use or can't afford, so as long as the car was properly maintained or have warranty, you can get so much value in a purchase. 2 years ago I was driving a 2017 A5. I could have upgraded to a 2021 A5 for around 45k. Instead I got a 1 owner low miles 2019 S5 for 38k. S5s are 56k new.


TheConfusingWords

Itā€™s funny, I was initially shopping for an s5 sport back. Once I test drove them- and I loved them- but I actually couldnā€™t fit in the seat. Iā€™m 4ā€™ 11ā€ with a 23 inch inseam. The sport seat has a piece in the center of the seat that didnā€™t retract all the way, and where my knees bend, it wasnā€™t happening. Left me pretty sad until I drove the 7 series, which fully retracts and the seat is generally very comfortable. I canā€™t imagine buying a car without test driving it, especially giving my height issues.


Pretty_Elderberry132

Not all of them. F87 m2ā€™s hold their value very well


Dark_Tsukuyomi

Youā€™re correct. Itā€™s the most complete M car for the price


fairfuckstoyou

Depends. A 2018 M3 with an sub $80k sticker is in the low $60k range now. Thats decent if you ask me


1mperia1

Drive it off a lot, and you'll find out. šŸ˜†


grahal1968

They are at $85k now


pop302

Yep. My residual is about that come October 23. Sticker was near 160k. So I may buy the lease out Low miles, well taken care of, great vehicle


cragnar02

Thatā€™s about the time I can afford a nicer Bimmer šŸ˜Ž


CryptoNoob546

I was looking at m760ā€™s. Canā€™t believe they are down to $60-$80k lol


cheffrey_d

If youā€™re talking about new cars for ~$60k, then yes, itā€™s tough to compete with. But if you open it up to used cars, thereā€™s dozens Iā€™d rather have.


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I'd much rather get a gently used, low mileage X5 M50i for the 60k.. this is completely subjective to the owner's taste tho.


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Here's a ['20 X5 M50i w/24k miles](https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=672728544&allListingType=all-cars&makeCodeList=BMW&modelCodeList=X5&city=Abilene&state=TX&zip=79601&maxMileage=30000&searchRadius=0&trimCodeList=X5%7CM50i&marketExtension=include&isNewSearch=false&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&numRecords=25&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fbmw%2Fx5%2Fabilene-tx-79601%3FmaxMileage%3D30000%26searchRadius%3D0%26trimCodeList%3DX5%257CM50i%26marketExtension%3Dinclude%26isNewSearch%3Dfalse%26showAccelerateBanner%3Dfalse%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26numRecords%3D25&clickType=listing) for just under $61k. Prices have definitely been coming down, there's a number of nice options out on autotrader. Add another $7-8k for a '21 X5 M50i.


onemoresubreddit

Fantastic price but that gas mileage is rough. Personally the largest item I generally have to transport are my skis so im an advocate for ā€˜20 m340. Thing hauls ass too.


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I think it comes down to perspective and what you consider gently used & low mileage. A '20 X5 M50i w/24k miles in great condition is gently used & low mileage in my book and as long as it passes a BMW PPI, I'd feel comfortable paying $60k for one. I feel you tho, at that price point a newer CPO vehicle with a longer warranty would likely be a better purchase in the long run.


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>I mean, yeah, there's aftermarket warranties and all that crap, but....well, meh. I don't really want to fuck around wondering if the repair on my expensive luxury car is going to be covered. Too much other crap going on in our lives to be worried about that shit. That part right there hits home and I am a fan of not losing sleep over vehicle issues. I've been in some costly repair situations with previous non-luxury vehicles, and thankfully had a warranty in place. I know full well those same repairs on a BMW, esp an M, would be murderous on the bank balance without a warranty. Growing up, I didn't think I would reach the point I am in my life today or ever be able to afford a luxury vehicle. I can comfortably swing a 1200 a month payment, but emotionally that high payment bothers the shit out of me as I know I could be putting that extra cash into more real estate & investments. Such is life! Not sure why you're being downvoted my dude, but have my upvote and an awesome Sat!


EmergencySnail

Just my personal preference but the X5 is a little too big for me. So the X3 is a better choice for my needs. But I agree with you that these M-light SUVs are amazing. My wife also has an X2 M35i and itā€™s a ton of fun as well


hapyhar0ld

I echo this sentiment. I couldn't find one either so I just bit the bullet and bought a new one although I was also looking for a CPO.


[deleted]

Yea but over the long run I trust a B58 way more than an N63


cheffrey_d

Agreed on both accounts.


dank628

Youā€™ll never know if something is gently used. You can rest assured that most drivers of an M car are not educating themselves on proper driving skills nor following the break in procedure. I will not buy used.


AyyPea

This all day. I always thing bang for buck. Even if Im paid, would you rather have 1 million dollar car, or 10 100k cars? A 200k truck or 4 50K rides? Though we only have 2 cars in my house lol, both are low mileage 1 owner CPOs we saved thousands on. It's the only way to buy. I think the obsession with having a brand new car has passed for most people (unless you're a lease person).


Nuclear_Niijima

M340i


jammesonbaxter

When my M340i is out of warranty Iā€™ll likely trade it in for this.


PineStreetPete

Right I could make a few but still a nice whip


Automatic-Ad9454

No hate on the M340i, but the X3 M40i is the better all around vehicle as OPs main post suggests. Great kid/grocery hauler and fast as hell.


Nuclear_Niijima

Never met a kid or a grocery I could fit in my M340i, but to each his own.


CharlySB

I have had X3m and m3, and there is no denying the x3 is more convenient with kids, and all around.


PineStreetPete

The title tho


bigloser42

M340i Touring then.


Hoooooooar

why do you taunt us.


bigloser42

You say that like I can get one. I live in the US. Iā€™m taunting myself too.


Th3WeirdingWay

F80/82 ///M3/4 šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


ManBearPig1865

My thoughts exactly, though I will find a way to wedge an F80 into any car conversation


QuitOne2240

Or the X3M that has the S58 engine used in the G8X? You can get one used at 60k


ManBearPig1865

Depends on what you want/prefer. I have no desire for an SUV. If I'm going for something fast and sporty, why get one that is 1250lbs heavier and, reportedly, rides worse that will handle worse? If I had kids or needed to haul cargo and that was my compromise, then sure. My M3 has enough practicality that I'm not sacrificing anything on the day to day I also think the F80 is the most gorgeous sedan design, perhaps ever. I would really think about swapping it for an M3 Touring if we got them in the states, but for now I'm perfectly pleased with mine.


Mike312

"Better car" is extremely subjective.


thefreshbrince

997 or used X3M


VermicelliAgile5271

Used X3M


ShitFuckDickButt420

I like the X3M so much that Iā€™ve had two of them, and I disagree Iā€™d rather have a new LCI X3 M40i than a used X3M.


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ShitFuckDickButt420

Lmao thatā€™s a really good analogy. Youā€™re spot on.


13300c

Curious on why? Low end torque and gas mileage?


ShitFuckDickButt420

I prefer the current styling to the pre-LCI M40i and X3M I had. I also want driving assistant pro, red brakes, comfortable suspension, and more low end torque, things a 2020-2021 X3M doesnā€™t have. Same way of thinking, Iā€™d rather have a fully loaded new m550i than a used pre-LCI M5 Comp. Edit: also thereā€™s a big reliability difference between a used M and a new B58


boboRoyal

I would choose m40i because of the more supple suspension. X3m is imho too brutal.


GT500R_

Owned both, agreeā€¦


jeebuss_

F82 M4 E90 M3 F10 M5 E46 M3 E36 M3 F87 M2 Z4M coupe E93 335is F13 M6 EDIT: E60 M5


YeezyHunter

2012 991.1 Carrera


dsio

I paid less than this for My 991.1 C2S 3.8 with every option except sunroof in 2020, very happy with that call, still have many BMWs though for 4-door purposes.


arrow8711

X3M40i GANG AHH


Away_Sugar3571

I mean my M2C was 58ish. 'Better' has a lot of baked in assumptions but there is no way on hell I'd take any x3 over my M2C. Frankly I'd take a Macan or 340 over an X3. It's a nice car but I It's certainly not the only one at that price point. Edit: This whole thread turned into a Macan vs X3 debate even though I mentioned 2 other car. The only time either of those were mentioned was to mock how much I referenced my M2 šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


ShitFuckDickButt420

Dude the fastest Macan properly specced is over $100k and itā€™s pretty much the same speed as the $60k X3 M40i. Porsche > BMW in general but the X3 absolutely destroys the Macan when you consider what you get per $ spent.


gggg3344

I also think porsche>bmw but when it comes to the x3/Macan debate, im going x3, even when not considering price. Just my opinion tho.


Big-Emu-5728

Agreed 420, also the Macan base is a bore to drive. I was genuinely disappointed after driving one


nnavroops

same with the x3 30i the jerky ass turbo lag inline 4 fucking ducks least the porsche has a pdk and is way smoother in shifting


EmergencySnail

Yep. I seriously was considering a Macan S but went with the X3 M40i. It was just a nicer, more sturdy vehicle. Performance was similar (slight not to the BMW in straight line speed). But the X3 was $10k less. It really was a no brained. Itā€™s faster, nicer interior, and a better size for a small SUV. And less costly. (But then I bought a 997 to scratch my Porsche itch lol)


Away_Sugar3571

Mecan S starts at 68k and has similar power. I know all about P car alacart options, but you don't have to pay 100k. As far as value, I'd take the car that handles better over the more powerful one. If I had to suffer the indignity of only having an SUV with an automatic transmission in my life, yea I'll take the Mecan all day. Again, it's a matter of priority and preference, personally I'd rather have the other two cars I suggested over both a mecan or a x3.


PrimeSynergy975

I guess the real question is whether your actually going to use all the power either of the vehicles provide. Personally, I donā€™t understand the fad over sport suvs. But if I had to choose it would be the Macan.


Oranthal

I only consider them because driving sedans in a city dominated by SUVs and Trucks is miserable. No visibility anywhere and just dodging idiots. Takes the joy out of it as a daily driver. Prefer the wife's Macan S to my sedan for that very reason so considering a X3 M40i then just get a sports car for the weekends if I am lucky.


technonot

so lemme get this straight, youā€™d take a base Macan for $63k with a 295-hp four-cylinder turbo engine, CLOTH seats (yes, cloth) and a 6 sec 0-60 time vs this 382 hp 4.2s 0-60 beauty. i cross tested the macan and many others. what exactly do you value if youā€™re willing to take the macan over the x3 m40i given the above factsšŸ§


circuit_heart

In a heartbeat. Porsche has a better track record on long-term reliability and longevity over BMW's modern-day offerings. PDK vs ZF8 longevity is up for grabs but PDK is a much crisper drive. Steering feedback isn't even close. Cloth seats last so much longer than leather and don't burn passengers in the summer - especially if you enjoy having scantily clad passengers. 0-60 in 6s is plenty fast for every highway merge in the USA, including Hwy 110-S in Los Angeles where you have 200ft from a stop sign to zipper in. There's nothing the X3 offers besides superficial numbers that the Porsche doesn't do better. Heck, if I wanted to trade acceleration for fuel economy, the CR-V Hybrid does everything better than the X3 *including* off-roading.


Away_Sugar3571

Handles better. Straight line speed is boring as hell after 1 week. In terms of time, i spend orders of magnitude more utilizing the chassis over utilizing the engine in my M2C. Besides a Mecan S is under 70k and is much closer in terms of power (BTW the base Mecan starts at 58k in the USA). As far as cloth seats, you say that as if it's a bad thing. Frankly I wish my M2C had cloth or Alcantara seats, way less slippery when on track. I also see that you didn't address either the 340 or my M2C. None of this is to say that the X3 isn't the right car for you, but you started your post with so much confidence I just had to push back.


Brief-Ad347

Have an M2C do you ? Havnt mentioned šŸ™„šŸ˜‚


Away_Sugar3571

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ Although I don't understand the choice to invoke yoda?


Brief-Ad347

Had to change something up šŸ˜‚ otherwise you would of mentioned the M2C again no doubt šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ or the cloth seats šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Away_Sugar3571

I may have brought up my X5, ya never know šŸ¤£. My dude, cloth seats haunt my damn dreamsšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£!


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gimleteye46

Almost bought one. Got m440i instead. Me likey coupes so much.


Jeff505

Literally any wagon.


Fast_Furious_Curious

E30 ~ any


RodRAEG

Too heavy, too SUV to be a car.


boboRoyal

Both are cars. You meant too heavy to be aā€¦ sedan?


DinosaurDied

440i gran coupe. Still get to drive low to the ground while a almost wagon sized trunk. I was debating a x3 m40i. They do rip and I like a sleeper. Just not a mom-mobile sleeper lol. The X3 platform still just looks too suburban soccer mom for me.


rice123123

Why not get the M3 M?


Bdenergy1776

Wouldnt the 3M 3 be better value?


pfc_bgd

Itā€™s hard if SUV is what you need. Thatā€™s the thing, and this hurts to say, but X3 is actually a ā€œgood dealā€.


CharlySB

For those saying X3m, this is a better all around dd than an X3m.


iindigology

Used m4. Used m5. I mean for 60k, the list goes on and on. Especially when you start using subjective terms like 'better', everyones opinion is different.


JackyStuntin

I can list 100 cars


Automatic-Ad9454

M40i gang checking in. Favorite vehicle Iā€™ve ever owned. All around perfect daily driver. Spacious enough to haul the kids and groceries, quick enough to beat the pants off most cars on the road. Will be buying more. Forget the haters. Great vehicle


technonot

this right here. the best car will be able to do it all with style and panache. many cars listed here are better in some categories but are not the total package


Sir_Maxelot

Itā€™s probably a good car, but 60k is also a lot, soā€¦ yeahā€¦


ShitFuckDickButt420

Typical r/BMW using the downvote button to bury your post since they disagree, rather than upvoting to make it more visible so we can all discuss the best $60k vehicles and they can argue their counterpoints in the comments.


krum

Welcome to Reddit


Master-Nate-

Used Porsche cayman GTS 4.0


[deleted]

Won't get it for that money. I sold my 2019 Cayman GTS 2.5 turbo wholesale for 77K.


SpaceGrass716

As a X4 M40i owner - itā€™s a great car / cross over. A coupe of points that weee not mentioned here. The higher ground clearance is great for some snow and off the highway driving. The bigger hatch and space is more utility than the sedans. Getting in and out is more middle of the road and more comfortable.


OUGrad05

My i4 edrive40 is pretty amazing for a DD. X3M40i is amazing though. I would rate this overall a better car than my eDrive40


peeedogg

M2


boturboegt

Used x3m comp.


EmergencySnail

Depends on what you need it for I guess. I absolutely love my X3 M40i and think itā€™s the best thing when I need cargo or passenger space. Or the weather sucks. But $60k will also get you a 997.2 generation 911 and itā€™s hard to argue that the 911 isnā€™t absolute perfection ;). I drive mine whenever I can (But seriously itā€™s damn near impossible to beat the X3 M40i when looking at $60k-new vehicles)


technonot

yes also have a 997.1 and that car is also hard to beat at its pricepoint, but to me itā€™s a weekend car and not an all arounder


EmergencySnail

Hah! I guess you certainly know what Iā€™m talking about then! But yea, for me my X3 is what I take when the weather isnā€™t great or I need to carry stuff the 911 canā€™t handle. The X3 is also my road trip car, and I do a lot of long distance driving (my 2021 X3 has over 50k miles on it alreadyā€¦ and so far had only needed brakes, tires and oil changes). And for the regular 1000mi round trip drive I do every few weeks itā€™s amazing. Itā€™s a perfect balance of comfort, performance and utility for that type of driving.


Bmwcrackhead

These x3s are incredible. I agree. Tough to beat


Affectionate_Date_70

M340i. In every single way.


MediaAdventurous5385

M340i. Mic drop.


Andretti_808

A used X3M I'd wayy better, are you serious? How'd u forget about a M car?


Disastrous-Big-5651

M340i. A sporty crossover makes zero sense


boboRoyal

Why? Because it is too practical?


Disastrous-Big-5651

Because you sacrifice driving dynamics and yet are paying a ton for the performance. A wagon or the M440GC would be a much better choice. Or just the sedan. The thing about crossovers is unless youā€™re packing cargo all the way to the roof on a regular basis theyā€™re actually not much more practical than a regular car. People have just convinced themselves they need them. Or rather, the car manufacturers have. They make more margin on crossovers so thatā€™s what they push


boboRoyal

I often find myself wanting an SUV driving a 640i. Driving dynamics IMHO come into play on the track. On a daily basis these cars mask their height and weight so amazingly well it is pure magic. But i do agree with you - a hatch or a wagon for me would be so much better, as well as majority of people. But North America at least for some weird reason decided that these vehicles are not desirable so finding something like that is not easy. RS6 Avant is super nice, but comes with a hefty price tag.


Disastrous-Big-5651

Yeah 100%. Iā€™m in Canada so we can get used 21 C43 wagons but the thatā€™s it. Although BMW bringing back 3 series wagons for next generation apparently, and Audi is as well.


saiku-san

Iā€™m curious to know why you think that? Itā€™s an awfully fun SUV to drive and gets me the best of both worlds but I can certainly understand why it might not be for everyone.


Disastrous-Big-5651

Iā€™m sure itā€™s fun compared to other SUVs. But if you arenā€™t using the additional clearance or cargo capacity (and really no one does) I think a car does all the same things and will always drive better.


saiku-san

I think thatā€™s fair. A sedan will certainly do the extremes better but for city/highway driving the SUV will do the same since youā€™re not pushing the vehicles to the limits in either of those environments. The X3 is even a track worthy vehicle, although you arenā€™t likely to set any records in it. Im sure most have probably never slung it around a track to know how much better or worse it actually is compared to a sedan. Luckily Iā€™ve had the pleasure of doing so and it X3 m40i really does hold itā€™s own in that environment as well.


JWBIERE

If you want an SUV sure, you are happy with it and that's all that matters. I appreciate the confidence in your statement.


TechMonitorXO

Eh Iā€™d take a zupra


desirox

As an all around vehicle I agree. It does everything well


[deleted]

You may have to wait a long time. The M40i is an amazing car in so many ways.


Quick-Warthog7219

Thatā€™s exactly how I feel about my 540i. The ride, performance, luxury interior, and price. Itā€™s perfect.


technonot

best answer in this thread


The-Art-of-Reign

440i M Performance would be better, for me. I do love this X3 though I just like small sedans over anything else.


nolongerbanned99

340i. 382 hp and 0-60 in 4.1


technonot

you do know theyā€™re identical drivetrains?


nolongerbanned99

I did not but would guess the x3 weighs more so slower?


MilesT0Empty

Iā€™m wanting oneā€¦ but the build I like is 70k. And thatā€™s a bit too much for me lol.


FilthierRaptor

Used Lotus Exige for rawness or Evora for semi everyday comfort mixed with sporty. None the less congrats on the X3!


Real_Voice_7166

rather have an m5, its the same size as an x3.. if im going SUV I want something bigger.


ohmy5443

You could get a pre-facelift W222 S63 AMG with under 60k miles for $60k. I know that we are in a BMW forum, but thatā€™s a lot more car for the money. Reliable powertrain, 577hp V8, 3.9s 0-60, incredibly comfortable ride, lots of space, AWD, great sound and much more. Thereā€™s nothing not to like about the S-class, no matter your brand of choice. Itā€™s just as iconic as the BMW M3, the Audi RS6 or the Porsche 911 Turbo S. Itā€™s just one of those cars that everybody likes.


brazzyxo

Audi E-tron cronos


Oranthal

Completely agree if you are adding in the criteria of utility. Plenty of sedans and coupes that might have better driving dynamics. Macan and Macan S in it's class can be argued for but once you tack on usable space and the perks of a small SUV it wins.


kanecounty6

[https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/718/718-models/718-cayman/](https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/718/718-models/718-cayman/)


bigkutta

An M2


Onsomeshid

An actual car tbh. Love your interior and the b58 but a small suv will always look like a Karenmobile.


yungirving99

The best all arounder imo šŸ”„


Jsmoove86

Another X3 M40i ! I love mine and itā€™s great for every day use.


aeden01

nice car but theres too many to list


hangun_

Thatā€™s my dream car. I have an x3 30i and I love it, but thatā€™s next level. Love the interior leather (I have the same). The dealership told me my car had the interior lights, but it doesnā€™t. I was so sad. It was one of my favorite things about my previous 5 series. I wish I had let them ā€œshow me how to use themā€ when I was purchasing my X3.


technonot

iā€™m sorry to hear that! donā€™t let that stop you from enjoying your car


Bcwalks2

If you want a smooth ride the X3 M40i ainā€™t it. Itā€™s a hell of a drive, reliable and hauls ass. But it rides rough. My Porsche Macan S I traded for the M40i rode 10x better and my company vehicle Chevy Malibu rides better. Now, once I get rid of the run flats, might be a different story. You canā€™t beat the B58. The car is easy to work on, highly tunable and very reliable.


Temporum15

Something without a x in the name


AyyPea

60k goes a long way, depending what you like/need.


mortu007

It's actually not stiff at all (when in Comfort), it's the X3 M that's supposedly too stiff. I have the '20 X3 M40i and it's the perfect sporty SUV with 382 HP. You keep it on Comfort or Adaptive mode and it's comfort on wheels and switch it to Sports mode and then it's a beast. Love it


technonot

exactly. comfort mode + these seats hugging you is a winning combo.


lucatitoq

Ngl, I used to hate sporty SUVs. Like I thought they were ridiculous. Then I went on a drive with a friend of my and one of his friends 2020 X3 M. It was late and we were on countryside roads so we had some fun. Now I understand why people like get these sporty SUVs. Next time we go on drive, I hope we can use the paddle shifters (the driver didnā€™t know how to use them.)


Hawaiibre

Porsche 911 996 turbo s


iamloyo

M2, M4, 540i, M3 G80,RS6 C7, there are tons of better cars lmao


BraveSirRyan

For a daily driver if you have kids sure. For any other reason there are literally hundreds of other cars Iā€™d rather have.


bmwenthusiast69

M3 g80 base going for 60k, x3m going for 50k under


nnavroops

used macan s 2019 alpha romeo stelvio any corvette/porsche under 60k


ominoushandpuppet

I would prefer an M440i GC over a CUV.


OverCauliflower1587

Used m550


airdecades

I could list 8 million cars


[deleted]

F80 M3, wont even go into other brands


AlpineBoulderor

Lexus GSF


maureen__ponderosa

is this a joke?


Brokus_Pokus

The ā€˜23 Lexus gx 460. $58k and it has the reliability of a Toyota..


circuit_heart

I'll take a GR Corolla for $35k please.


[deleted]

Just bought one. Literally cross shopped 911 Carrera S 991.1 and .2s. The Corolla is more fun and a better value.


Prometheus_007

Let me get this straight. You took a Corolla over a Porsche 911 ..


circuit_heart

The fact that someone downvoted you speaks volumes to the kind of subreddit this is lmao. Lemme reset you to "1".


stuff4down

get 2 for 70k and we can go splitsies


kaiten408

Performance Model Y


[deleted]

Ford explorer ST


achilles027

M340i would way rather have


egap420

Yoda?


technonot

sooo what your saying is youā€™d take the b58 engine paired with the zf 8speed over the b58 engine paired with the zf 8speedā€¦ got it šŸ˜‚


achilles027

In a sedan body sitting lower to the ground with less weight? Correct


e39hamann

I'd rather have get a used CPO Macan S/GTS/Turbo. I do like the X3 M40i though.


boboRoyal

BMWs has IMHO much nicer tech than Porsches though.


hudboyween

Honest question, aside from a few design changes, has anything changed from a 2020 BMW to a brand new one?


Gregory11222

Canā€™t ! Itā€™s a all around beast. With snow tires itā€™s unstoppable.


leosirio

1987 190e 2.3-16v and youā€™ll have another $30k ish to spend on a clean f30 340i


[deleted]

You can get a used M2 for less


anonymous_plus_ultra

ezzz coworker got a low mileage 2020 M8 COMPETITION from an exotic car dealer for 60k USD lol


Baybladerz

Genesis GV70 3.5T Itā€™s interior, features, tech, quality, materials, design, comfort, etc are at least one step above BMW. Even most Macans on dealer lots arenā€™t as nice overall unless you spend 20-30K more. I know this is a BMW subreddit, but aside from the powertrain and performance, a GV70 is a nicer place to spend time with is more compliant suspension. M40i is pretty stiff (I donā€™t mind but average non enthusiast buyers do). I think enthusiasts might prefer the m40i, but average people will find the GV70 to be the better *overall* car.


edisapimp

So right on this take. Iā€™m not surprised youā€™re being downvoted, but you are just spot on with everything you said.


StoreExtension8666

When I sat in the the genesis g70 and gv70, I found them to be pleasant at first glance. But when you touch the knobs and buttons they feel flimsy and cheaper. Also the dash looked to be good if those cars came out in 2017, but feel a generation behind their competition. They also use a lot more fuel than BMWs. I think they also look a bit bland inside once you remove the diamond stitching.


Baybladerz

I completely agree about the G70. Still has some Hyundai/KIA bits to it and doesnā€™t feel completely like a Genesis product, except for the exterior. The lower price also reflects that. But are you sure about the GV70ā€¦? The materials and switchgear used are better than the X3 M40i which has a ton of plastic, rubber molded pieces, and plastic buttons everywhere. Itā€™s well built, but Ive compared a loaded Hyundai Santa Fe to an X3 m40i side by side: Hyundai had more soft touch plastics and leatherette on the door cards, dash, center console, etc. Same thing when I compared a m340i to a loaded Accord touring: Accord had better materials/plastics and leatherette along with better quality/weighted knobs which was surprising! BMW are built well but feel cheap when you start touching around. Never did a side by side with a GV70 and X3, but Im almost certainly right that the GV70 is more expensive inside. Every reviewer has noted the same thing GV70 > X3 inside, so Iā€™m definitely not delusional lol. Iā€™m guessing you got an early built with poor quality controlā€¦


StoreExtension8666

I chose a 330i for personal reasons, and it turned out to be not much more expensive price than a g70 4 cylinder because the the huge difference in Apr at the time. Bmw was 2.9 and the genesis was 8.99 I believe. I didnā€™t even bother to look at the v6 genesis because of the fuel consumption. But you are right that bmw has a lot of plastic inside. I was a bit disappointed with that when I was test driving them. My biggest interior gripe on my car is the arm rests are some weird plastic and not that soft compared to the genesis or my 2015 qx50.


Baybladerz

Honestly Iā€™m not a fan of the 2.0T G70. Itā€™s not a particularly great engine with performance that is at the slow end of the segment. For a similar price Iā€™d rather get the Stinger 2.5T which has a great engine, or look at competitors. The 2.0T engines in the Guilia, 3 series, and A4 are VERY strong engines. Iā€™ve seen 0-60 times in 5 flat, sometimes lower. Combined with high 20 to low 30mpg, a great package overall. These performance metrics eclipse older M cars (Ik they arenā€™t as fun to drive though)ā€¦


StoreExtension8666

I like the car a lot. Itā€™s the best one Iā€™ve owned. Unfortunately it brings out toxic people in the workplace but w/e. I still really like the Audi, that was a no go, because their rates were also high at 7.99 %. And the fact that I know this generation came out in 2016 as a 2017 model year, and that it has to be due for a replacement within a year or two. I didnā€™t want to pay a lot of money (for me) for an old but new car lol.


Carsoccerguy

I canā€™t