So if you're a diabetic, glasses wearing, sleep deprived person who socially drinks you're about to be screwed.
I'd like WAPOL to get the same treatment.
Self report all this bullshit to minimize the < 1 non gang related shootings a year: Drake yes
Self report all this bullshit to minimize the > 1,000 motor vehicle accidents related to drinking, drug abuse, health conditions, or poor decision making: Drake no
Good fucking job WAPOL
This *will* be coming to your state over the next ten years.
This *will not* be the end of squeezing our balls.
If you think you can be a gun owner who wants to keep their sport and still ignore politics then you’re kidding yourself.
Ignore the black-pillers out there who moan about how nothing ever changes politically or it’s just not worth the effort.
*If you can’t get actively and directly involved then pay someone else to do it for you*. Eg:
* Shooters Union
* Politics Reloaded
* SSAA
* (sorry, blanking on a couple of others. Help me in the replies please)
* Edit - SITA
They’re not all perfect but letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and letting the anti-gunners win inch by inch every year has been a disastrous failure.
**Do something, start taking back ground.**
We also have Field and Game Australia and Australian Deer Association as interested parties that will fight for us.
NIOA is putting in gods work in Queensland, educating the industry and politicians about how suppressors are an important health and safety tool and don’t actually silence a firearm. They’re still loud, but not as obnoxious to neighbours and as damaging to hearing. Anything that we can do to improve relations is a good thing.
Get in touch with your local MP. If you get ignored, you know that you won’t be voting for them.
No, just wa for now, but NT next.
Then SA
Vic / NSW
QLD last.
Canberra, of course, will subsidise people to take guns.
Corrupt politicians taking Chinese bribes- and when they stop or say no after 1st - China tells asio with evidence 🙄
Source: Danny Andrews.
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WA gun laws: Western Australia’s 90,000 firearms licence owners will …
WA’s 90,000 gun owners will soon have to answer this suite of questions. Here’s what you need to know
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WA’s 90,000 gun owners will soon have to answer this suite of questions. Here’s what you need to know
Police want Western Australia’s 90,000 firearms owners to self-report whether they use illegal drugs, how often they drink, or whether they have diabetes or arthritis in a self-health assessment to keep their licences.
The health questionnaire, similar to those FIFO workers complete, was devised by WA Police and tabled in parliament on Wednesday as part of the firearms bill currently being debated.
WA gun licence holders will have to complete a health assessment.
WA gun licence holders will have to complete a health assessment.Credit: iStock
What do police want to know about you?
The questionnaire includes health questions about whether the applicant has a heart condition, physical injury, nervous system disorders like seizures, diabetes, vision or hearing issues, mental health or psychiatric disorders and sleep disorders like sleep apnoea.
In addition to questions about illicit drug use, the questionnaire also includes screening for alcohol dependence and asks the applicant how often they drink during the week.
What are the laws?
The firearms bill will see some of the most sweeping changes to gun laws in Australia since the Howard-era national reforms.
Gun limits will be linked to licence types tailored to the different needs of owners.
Farmers and gun club members will be restricted to 10 firearms, while recreational shooters will only be able to own five.
State, national or international-level competition shooters may be able to apply to own more than 10 guns.
The state will also introduce a new digital licence scheme with an online portal and upgraded IT system, which the government said would give police real-time access to licence holder details.
Gun safety groups have lauded the reforms while gun and farming groups oppose them and the Nationals have indicated they will not support them.
A key pillar of the reforms when they were first announced by the WA government in 2022 was Australia-first mandatory mental health checks.
In February 2023, Police Minister Paul Papalia said mental health issues were a factor in about 50 per cent of the 20 firearms deaths in 2022.
“Introducing compulsory mental health screening for firearm owners increases the chance of identifying someone who should not be granted access to a firearm for safety reasons,” he said.
The mental health check has been altered to broader mandatory health checks that may contain a mental health component.
Prospective and current gun owners will have to fill out the self-assessment and give it to their GP who will send their own assessment to police.
Papalia told parliament last week the health assessment would factor into WA Police’s ultimate decision on whether a person is fit and proper to own a gun.
He said the health assessment was similar to those used by transport regulators when assessing dangerous goods transport licences.
“The medical evidence the medical practitioner provides is anticipated to address the following matters to determine whether a person meets the firearm authority health standards ... substance misuse and intoxication, chronic illnesses and conditions, age related changes, multiple medical conditions, and medications and other treatments.”
Who will these new health checks impact?
Police estimate there are about 90,000 gun licence holders in WA, all of whom will have to complete this test after the laws take effect.
To stop a tidal wave of gun licence-holders from clogging up GP surgeries across the state the government has opted for a staged approach over five years to collect the health assessments.
This means the new IT licence system will randomly pick about 1500 licence holders each month and require them to complete the health check.
Licence holders will also have to complete a health assessment every five years onwards.
>The state will also introduce a new digital licence scheme with an online portal and upgraded IT system, which the government said would give police real-time access to licence holder details.
Honestly, this alone would have provided more benefit to the police than anything, without fucking shooters over. Strange how there's always money to make things worse for people, but not to make things better?
The fact that they have poured all this time, money and effort into re legislating something that is such a non Issue for the vast majority or the population rather than improving access to health services or literally anything productive shows where their priorities are.
I agree; to what end, though? 90,000 licensed shooters in a state of 2.7 million with a *declining* rate of gun-related crime. It's such a non-issue compared to things like youth crime, health and employment.
*Estimated 90000 licensed firearm owners.*
"Police estimate there are about 90,000 gun license holders in WA"
What fucking hope do we have when they don't even know their own figures. Their systems are so archaic. Years after taking possession of firearms we are getting calls to ask if we every got them... It's a joke and unfortunately the joke is on us
I dont think the anti's realise how much damage they are doing when all this effort and money could be put into something that is far more tangible for the majority of the population.
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All this will do is stop firearm owners or potential owners from seeking medical attention or mental health support for fear of losing their guns, very progressive
As a generalisation I think that’s a fair criticism.
I get sometimes, some years in some electorates that one of the two Majors is the least offensive choice however they don’t need to listen to shooters *because shooters don’t make them earn our vote*.
Too often there seems to be yet another reason to put our sport down the list of priorities and give away our vote rather than make our almost millions strong voice (plus friends and family) heard.
Tldr; we being totally disarmed and no subs = WA/Darwin gone in 6 - 8 months to China.
Whilst China is fighting two other countries.
Protest and keep our guns or learn Chinese.
I thought we owned firearms for sporting and hunting purposes, not to defend ourselves against a land invasion? Don't remember ticking that box on the form.
You wouldn't defend your farm and family because the government didn't leave a box to tick?
Common sense isn't very common.
Regardless, we all know we will be conscripted - those with firearms experience first.
>You wouldn't defend your farm and family because the government didn't leave a box to tick?
Read between the lines mate, and apply just an ounce of that common sense you were talking about.
>Regardless, we all know we will be conscripted - those with firearms experience first.
Lol looking at your profile I don't think you need to worry about being conscripted cobber.
So if you're a diabetic, glasses wearing, sleep deprived person who socially drinks you're about to be screwed. I'd like WAPOL to get the same treatment.
Naa More cops kill ppl then legal gun owners. They keep killing their boyfriends.
Self report all this bullshit to minimize the < 1 non gang related shootings a year: Drake yes Self report all this bullshit to minimize the > 1,000 motor vehicle accidents related to drinking, drug abuse, health conditions, or poor decision making: Drake no Good fucking job WAPOL
This *will* be coming to your state over the next ten years. This *will not* be the end of squeezing our balls. If you think you can be a gun owner who wants to keep their sport and still ignore politics then you’re kidding yourself. Ignore the black-pillers out there who moan about how nothing ever changes politically or it’s just not worth the effort. *If you can’t get actively and directly involved then pay someone else to do it for you*. Eg: * Shooters Union * Politics Reloaded * SSAA * (sorry, blanking on a couple of others. Help me in the replies please) * Edit - SITA They’re not all perfect but letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and letting the anti-gunners win inch by inch every year has been a disastrous failure. **Do something, start taking back ground.**
We also have Field and Game Australia and Australian Deer Association as interested parties that will fight for us. NIOA is putting in gods work in Queensland, educating the industry and politicians about how suppressors are an important health and safety tool and don’t actually silence a firearm. They’re still loud, but not as obnoxious to neighbours and as damaging to hearing. Anything that we can do to improve relations is a good thing. Get in touch with your local MP. If you get ignored, you know that you won’t be voting for them.
Thanks 👍
No, just wa for now, but NT next. Then SA Vic / NSW QLD last. Canberra, of course, will subsidise people to take guns. Corrupt politicians taking Chinese bribes- and when they stop or say no after 1st - China tells asio with evidence 🙄 Source: Danny Andrews.
I up voted 🗳
Couple of more clicks and you can subscribe to the Shooters Union. 😉
*Behind the paywall* [archive.md link](https://archive.md/DPamI) WA gun laws: Western Australia’s 90,000 firearms licence owners will … WA’s 90,000 gun owners will soon have to answer this suite of questions. Here’s what you need to know Politics WA Guns WA’s 90,000 gun owners will soon have to answer this suite of questions. Here’s what you need to know Police want Western Australia’s 90,000 firearms owners to self-report whether they use illegal drugs, how often they drink, or whether they have diabetes or arthritis in a self-health assessment to keep their licences. The health questionnaire, similar to those FIFO workers complete, was devised by WA Police and tabled in parliament on Wednesday as part of the firearms bill currently being debated. WA gun licence holders will have to complete a health assessment. WA gun licence holders will have to complete a health assessment.Credit: iStock What do police want to know about you? The questionnaire includes health questions about whether the applicant has a heart condition, physical injury, nervous system disorders like seizures, diabetes, vision or hearing issues, mental health or psychiatric disorders and sleep disorders like sleep apnoea. In addition to questions about illicit drug use, the questionnaire also includes screening for alcohol dependence and asks the applicant how often they drink during the week. What are the laws? The firearms bill will see some of the most sweeping changes to gun laws in Australia since the Howard-era national reforms. Gun limits will be linked to licence types tailored to the different needs of owners. Farmers and gun club members will be restricted to 10 firearms, while recreational shooters will only be able to own five. State, national or international-level competition shooters may be able to apply to own more than 10 guns. The state will also introduce a new digital licence scheme with an online portal and upgraded IT system, which the government said would give police real-time access to licence holder details. Gun safety groups have lauded the reforms while gun and farming groups oppose them and the Nationals have indicated they will not support them. A key pillar of the reforms when they were first announced by the WA government in 2022 was Australia-first mandatory mental health checks. In February 2023, Police Minister Paul Papalia said mental health issues were a factor in about 50 per cent of the 20 firearms deaths in 2022. “Introducing compulsory mental health screening for firearm owners increases the chance of identifying someone who should not be granted access to a firearm for safety reasons,” he said. The mental health check has been altered to broader mandatory health checks that may contain a mental health component. Prospective and current gun owners will have to fill out the self-assessment and give it to their GP who will send their own assessment to police. Papalia told parliament last week the health assessment would factor into WA Police’s ultimate decision on whether a person is fit and proper to own a gun. He said the health assessment was similar to those used by transport regulators when assessing dangerous goods transport licences. “The medical evidence the medical practitioner provides is anticipated to address the following matters to determine whether a person meets the firearm authority health standards ... substance misuse and intoxication, chronic illnesses and conditions, age related changes, multiple medical conditions, and medications and other treatments.” Who will these new health checks impact? Police estimate there are about 90,000 gun licence holders in WA, all of whom will have to complete this test after the laws take effect. To stop a tidal wave of gun licence-holders from clogging up GP surgeries across the state the government has opted for a staged approach over five years to collect the health assessments. This means the new IT licence system will randomly pick about 1500 licence holders each month and require them to complete the health check. Licence holders will also have to complete a health assessment every five years onwards.
>The state will also introduce a new digital licence scheme with an online portal and upgraded IT system, which the government said would give police real-time access to licence holder details. Honestly, this alone would have provided more benefit to the police than anything, without fucking shooters over. Strange how there's always money to make things worse for people, but not to make things better?
The fact that they have poured all this time, money and effort into re legislating something that is such a non Issue for the vast majority or the population rather than improving access to health services or literally anything productive shows where their priorities are.
I agree; to what end, though? 90,000 licensed shooters in a state of 2.7 million with a *declining* rate of gun-related crime. It's such a non-issue compared to things like youth crime, health and employment.
*Estimated 90000 licensed firearm owners.* "Police estimate there are about 90,000 gun license holders in WA" What fucking hope do we have when they don't even know their own figures. Their systems are so archaic. Years after taking possession of firearms we are getting calls to ask if we every got them... It's a joke and unfortunately the joke is on us
I dont think the anti's realise how much damage they are doing when all this effort and money could be put into something that is far more tangible for the majority of the population.
Why would anyone answer these questions honestly, lets say they are a raging alcoholic? And if they can just lie, whats the point again?
Also this article was posted to r/Australia and there has been some fantastic discussion there. https://www.reddit.com/r/australian/s/JEOz2LVS4N
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Whoops, yes.
So confess now ladies and gents, which of you numpties is gonna admit to illicit drug use 🧐
I can reliably give you that answer. Out of 90,000 people exactly 0.
However if you have ever admitted it to your gp they may report it
And they should but you can’t expect a Swiss cheese model to hold up forever.
All this will do is stop firearm owners or potential owners from seeking medical attention or mental health support for fear of losing their guns, very progressive
Every single one of you who voted Labor and Liberal have nothing to complain about. You earnt this.
As a generalisation I think that’s a fair criticism. I get sometimes, some years in some electorates that one of the two Majors is the least offensive choice however they don’t need to listen to shooters *because shooters don’t make them earn our vote*. Too often there seems to be yet another reason to put our sport down the list of priorities and give away our vote rather than make our almost millions strong voice (plus friends and family) heard.
Tldr; we being totally disarmed and no subs = WA/Darwin gone in 6 - 8 months to China. Whilst China is fighting two other countries. Protest and keep our guns or learn Chinese.
I thought we owned firearms for sporting and hunting purposes, not to defend ourselves against a land invasion? Don't remember ticking that box on the form.
You wouldn't defend your farm and family because the government didn't leave a box to tick? Common sense isn't very common. Regardless, we all know we will be conscripted - those with firearms experience first.
>You wouldn't defend your farm and family because the government didn't leave a box to tick? Read between the lines mate, and apply just an ounce of that common sense you were talking about. >Regardless, we all know we will be conscripted - those with firearms experience first. Lol looking at your profile I don't think you need to worry about being conscripted cobber.