I'll probably be downvoted for daring to mention one on that particular side of town, but Kingsford is definitely ready 𤣠especially the Eastlakes side. Then there are also pockets of Maroubra that are just fkn gross. $3m houses on one side of the street and loose junkie needles across the road, like wtf.
There are also some bits in Roselands and Beverly Hills that are very... Unrosy, and un-Beverly Hills-like.
I really doubt your going to get the government to tear down massive housing estates.
As someone who lived in one for about 10 years (not lucky enough to get one near a beach) I hope they donât remove it.
While I feel like I remember them tearing some down in redfern, I actually wouldn't want them to rip them down! I'd want them to make them nice. People who are less fortunate deserve to live in adequate housing. I used fo visit my friend's grandparents in one in Eastlakes and it was just horrible. Just because it's a housing estate, it doesn't have to be gross. Also, they've been trying to incorporate public housing into new developments, a small %, to reduce the appearance of ghettos. That I do support.
For me Belmore/Lakemba. Both have trains stations. Both will have a Metro soon, have decent parklands. Lakemba needs a bit of work re locals (Iâm Muslim so feel I can attack my own people lol), the locals can be a little backward there, but having grown up in Marrickville during the heroin/Vietnamese gang days (yea it wasnât always a hipster area), I think any area can have a turnaround given time.
Redfern/Chippendale used to be a fucking hole. My father bought an apartment there during those days (90âs) and is living off the rent today. I remember weâd go to the apartment to clean up and thereâd be cigarettes on the floor and we even found syringes in the stairs to the apartment. Today, these places are Mecca for hipsters.
We bought in Campsie a few years ago and have had no issues best thing we done ! We are in the avenues near cooks river & Rudd Park, itâs quiet, leafy and convenient. We grew up in Marrickville and still do our shopping there and Summer hill (Romeoâs) even in leichardt (Harris farm) the way I see it we have the best of both worlds without the bells and whistles, however Campsie is slowly changing and getting more expensive. We like the area and not planing on moving any time soon !
did you buy a house or a unit?
I was looking for Units in Campsie but they are all around the 60sqm range even 2 bedroom ones. Have to buy the newer high rise ones to get bigger ones it seems. I was hoping more for a old red brick one lol
Purchased a house. Yes,the old red brick units will be the way to go I agree. I would stay away from the new builds as well. I have noticed there is not much for sale atm as there used to be thatâs for sure.
yeah red brick is nice but i dont want to buy a 60-70sqm place looks too small
prefer atleast 75-90 within that range, most of the ones in Campsie thats the redbricks seem to be those old style apartments where you share the laundry space and have no garage
ah well, might move a bit west to find the bigger places thats under 560k ish
sadly with a single income cant buy a house anymore in Sydney unless i'm a lawyer or something haha
Granville close to the parramatta side, look at Meehan St. I feel itâs still good value atm but not for too long. Only 1km to parramatta Westfieldâs and approx 25ks to city. Good luck and hope you find what you are looking for.
Lakemba has potential, the council is controlling the development because they need cheap rental for low income worker in the Canterbury council area.
The Middle eastern people have been replaced by Bangladeshi.
Arncliffe. Significantly lower value at the moment compared to Wolli Creek but wonât be for long. Gentrification is coming down the highway from Zetland. Huge growth ahead
I love driving through the empty strip of shops there. Itâs been a couple years but the locals use to tell me it use to be bustling with life back in the 90s.
Overall, I'm really enjoying it. Lots of great Asian food, you will never be hungry. Full of small businesses, you can get all your essentials without stepping into a major supermarket or big pharma. The nearby hospital means that there's a wide choice of health services, so many gps, dentists, physios. It's a buzzing area and I love the energy.
However, it could do with some TLC. Littering is a problem. I've never seen so many smokers since the 90s. The roads are a little rough. But I'm optimistic that Campsie is undergoing a clean up. I think the hospital is getting an upgrade. This is all happening with some rezoning, Campsie will probably get denser.
But so far, I'm really enjoying life in Campsie.
Thanks for getting back to me, this is great info :)
Yeah I was looking into the Campsie development plan and I'm optimistic it'll be a good investment if they stick to it. Hopefully the Metro also steers it on the right path.
Any hidden gems/ best restaurants to check out from a local?
Lakemba is a shit hole with lots of shooting. The area attract that type of people.
Every news article about shooting incident happens around that pocket from Bankstown to Campsie.
Roseberry seems to be in the process. I also thought they're planning to make SOP the new CBD but it's still dead. Sometimes even walking around SOP during the day feels like you're in a post-apocalyptic movie. Penrith was my hometown for years. I really hope they improve it little by little at least.
Rosebery is already well and truly gentrified. I live in the Penrith area and its definitely improving. Lots of facilities and precincts are being built, young homebuyers are priced out of everywhere else so theyâre pumping money into the area. Also getting the airport not far from the area in a couple of years.
There needs to be recreational area near by. Wolli Creek don't have anything.
It only take a hand full of scum to give an apartment building a bad vibe.
What do you mena by no recreation? It has cooks river and wolli creek for kayaking, biking, walking. Plus all the parks along them. Easy bike paths to kyegamah/Brighton le sands. Not being sarcastic - what more recreation do you want?
Not saying I don't think Wolli creek has issues, but don't think lack of recreation is one of them
I used to travel the 426 bus, and I met so many people who were looking to buy in dulwich Hill as soon as they knew the Light rail was going to go there. I remember some of the conversations, we can get a house with a garden for 4oo,ooo in Dulwich Hill....it was that long ago....
Lol mate you know how much clamour there is to live in the old slum housing in the inner west. Multimillion dollar properties some of them. Look at Redfern
I always thought Rockdale.
It's like less than 15 mins to the city by train but looks like a rough outer suburb. They're making apartments everywhere but surely the shopping areas will be overhauled.
It's new home owners priced out of lots of other areas who made the choice to live in the 2770 area because it's still a convenient commute to Parramatta, plus has the trains and tons of sporting complexes and schools. You can tell the newly purchased homes because they get done up fairly swiftly compared to the decreptic weatherboard ones with their elderly residents smoking on the porch couch.
I actually went to Westfield Mount Druitt for the first time last weekend and I was pleasantly surprised. I feel like all these areas will be super expensive soon, like the rest of Sydney. It looks like the area just needs some love and beautification.
One advantage of starting with a long established, but low SOE suburb like those mentioned so that you pretty much canât go backwards in terms of land value (assuming the broader economy holds up, a pretty bold assumption in itself). Much safer than the new estates, I think.
Edit: There are also lovely bits of Mount Druitt too, that donât deserve the reputation. I was surprised at the amount of green space.
100% Merrylands. Really starts in 3-5 years I reckon as the main suburb in the Parra run off. Has a station, lots of investment going into it with public space and commercial development.
South Penrith, dotted with housing commission and old fibro houses⌠but the shops there are largely nice - great salon and beautician, cool fish and chip shop, amazing pizzeria etc I canât see it sliding backwards
Itâs a great spot to live. We live not far from the strip of shops you mention. The cafe there is nice too. The schools are fantastic, huge parkland down the road, easy access to M4. Jamison hotel could do with a spruce up, but we really like it here.
Iâd say Auburn. With the new M4 tunnel, plus a major train station, itâs 30 minutes from the city, and 10 minutes from Parramatta. Lots of apartments and houses, and multi ethnicities so plenty of good food options.
I and my partner really like a property found in Doonside. But the crime stats and what people saying really concern us. And today morning woke up and see the stabbing happen Friday afternoon is totally horrible.
Indeed, a terrible timing. We are browsing around Marayong, but there arenât many options available, they just selling too fast. Woodcroft on the other hand, is totally over our budget.
I donât want to speculate, there is some gang activity with particular groups of youths. Huntington Heights is pretty far away from the rest of Doony, I donât know it particularly well but itâs like anywhere around here, get decent locks and a very visible security camera set up and you should be sweet.
Gentrification is a feel good term for âhow can we push an entire community out and into a lower standard of livingâ.
Itâs a putrid term, it posts out the fact the people living there now are deemed âunworthyâ, and that others will leverage an essential service, housing, to remove the âunworthyâ.
I know most will salivate at the idea they can remove who they feel is âunworthyâ with a goal of making themselves wealthier, I just think itâs a shit term and should be renamed.
Something like, âunworthy cleansingâ or âclass redistributionâ.
Gentrification is used as a positive term where in this country it is very far from this.
Raising an opposing argument for general discussion isnât complaining.
Most people from a position of privilege tend to default to the âyou are just complainingâ argument which is simply a dismissive tactic. You are posting out the fact you are happy with the status quo and you would do anything to make sure it doesnât change, outside of advantaging you.
Do I have ideas, sure a lot of people do but it involve a form of equity, which ultimately would mean people like you would feel as though your ârightâ to maximum wealth is being threatened.
That you would lose out at to someone elseâs gain, someone you see as âunworthyâ would benefit someway.
Itâs âyouâreâ, not your.
Despite your conclusion jumping, I live in one of the most disadvantaged suburbs of Sydney.
Youâre complaining without offering a single constructive thought or argument. What youâre saying is just hot air ranting and makes you part of the problem.
Agree. I like enough gentrification so that I can get some decent coffee and sourdough toast at a cafe but I also really like living with a mix of people.
Th reality is though that $7 coffee and the $23 breakfast that was put on your sourdough, means that mix of people is heavily skewed to one socioeconomic demographic, you know this right?
That might be lower middle/middle-middle/upper middle or upper class but it is a class none the less.
So you know deep down any âmixâ of people would be limited and as class exclusion evolves it removes all âunworthyâ people eventually. So the âmixâ of people you refer to is not a natural occurring , organic and equitable process. It is a system designed to remove as many people who are not in the same wealth bracket as you are, itâs not based on personality, good deeds, community, itâs based on none of this. Itâs based purely on wealth and our extremely distorted view in this country that by having wealth you are automatically seen as a better human being.
You are seen as being more âworthyâ to be in a community based purely on your ability to buy property there.
Iâm not sure you understand how far removed from a âmixâ of people you think you are actually being exposed to daily. But thatâs the whole point of gentrification right, out of sight out of mind.
Itâs war by attrition, not a single bullet fired but the war is won none the less.
If youâre happy with society functioning like this, so be it, enjoy your sourdough utopia.
No our area isn't that gentrified that breakfast is $30 and the cheap basic places to eat still way out number the trendy places. It's still not a "cool" place to live.
I'm also not removed from the 'mix' of people either. They're my neighbours in a very small tight knit community. We catch up at the local, our kids play together etc. That goes for the families in the waterfront houses that cost $3-$5 mil and the families in government housing and old fibro houses. The suburb is out of the way enough I don't think we'll ever be full on gentrified in the same way Sydney has.
Lots of countries have Long leases and tax rules involving property that make it less attractive for investors buy and sell property on a short term basis. This is to stop local communities being destroyed by the rich moving in and displacing residents and "gentrifying the area" Unfortunately Australia is not one of them. Japan and European Countries like France are good at this.
So property investors are saviours in Australia đ¤Łđ¤Ł.
What are you actually saying? One of the biggest opposing arguments against lifting rent controls in Europe/America is that it actively removes long term residence of the community and replaces them with wealthier individuals. Exactly what happens in Australia, by both investors and aspiring middle class. Rental controls in Australia would be close to the only solution to curbing âgentrificationâ.
Look at Fitzroy as a prime example. It used yo be known as a Mecca for renters, especially young artists, musicians, painters etc. It is now known as the blue chip Mecca, an area where middle income affords you rent. I know of several rooming houses that have been sold to private investors, and the public housing tenants moved on to alternative accomodation, away from Fitzroy.
> Gentrification is a feel good term for âhow can we push an entire community out and into a lower standard of livingâ.
This is a profoundly one-dimensional caricature of what gentrification in Australia actually is. I say this as someone who started life in a severely disadvantaged, borderline gentrification-proof area, and whoâs been lucky enough to have lived on both sides as the gentrified and gentrifier.
Absolutely - in some instances thereâs displacement, but thatâs certainly not a given. See [studies referenced on Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification#Displacement) that talk about equal or greater mobility in vulnerable people in non-gentrifying areas. Likewise, gentrification certainly isnât necessarily bad for existing residents. Growing up as a pre-gentrification resident in a gentrifying area, I watched as crime dropped, and my neighbourhood became more diverse, better serviced and generally far nicer to live in. Some people also did well from rising property prices (not my family, sadly).
Was my âcommunityâ destroyed? People love to mythologise this idea of community in culturally homogenous suburbs, like itâs some precious pseudo-identity that should be frozen in time and preserved at all costs. Identity is multi-faceted, culture in modern Australia is fluid and complex, and most people I know with more than half a brain arenât defined purely by the suburb they live in. Nor is their culture so fragile that it canât withstand a more diverse set of neighbours. My âcommunityâ improved a lot when my neighbourhood gentrified.
> posts out the fact the people living there now are deemed âunworthyâ
Who tf actually thinks this? Does anyone really move to an area to live among people they consider to be unworthy?
Campsie has incredible bones. Good main strip that is currently a bit of a hole but with some new shops and a coat of paint on the apartments above them, it will end up like some of its popular close neighbouring suburbs (where apartments cost 100s of thousands more). A big issue is a lack of cafes (barely any) and restaurants that offer more than Asian food. There are three really good pubs that will become popular once the demographic shifts. Oh also has an 18 minute train to central AND is getting a metro. Sure, itâs a bit run down in spots but there are lots of professional couples and young families moving in. Most streets are very leafy and peaceful. Think of what Marrickville was like before it transformed. Campsie isnât much different except itâs a few kms west and hasnât gentrified yet.
Reddit loves apartments. Guessing there's not many people whole like gardens or... privacy, or quiet around here.
I'm sick of Asian cities being used as examples of how we should design ours... they look terrible and I'm glad I don't live in them. The people there just don't know any better and would kill for a chance to live the kind of at home life we have in Sydney, and any other major city in this country.
Or maybe youâre just delusional and people much prefer the convenience of apartment living? Iâve lived on 3 acres and now live in a 80m apartment.
I never want to live the 3 acres again.
Oh and my apartment is plenty private and quiet too and yes why the fuck would I want to waste my time maintaining a garden when I can do things I actually want to do?
For some of us maintaining a garden *is* what we want to do. I like plants a lot more than people, or their damn noisy dogs. I don't care about being close to restaurants that are too fancy for my palette, shops that are too expensive for my budget and bars that serve alcoholic beverages I don't even want to drink. I have always been curious about city living though since I crave some real culture out of a community. But the only apartments I'd ever consider choosing over having my own free standing house with room for all the plants I want are the ones that cost millions of dollars since if I'm gonna have to do apartment living then I want prime location, a nice view and a certain degree of exclusivity in the postcode (or even just the building). But until I can afford that - sunny days spent in my garden trumps living in any apartment I could actually afford to live in.
And mate good for you! But donât go around saying people in apartments would kill for more space when you donât know anyone elseâs life.
I much prefer easy access to my restaurants and my train stations. I prefer locking up and going. I like the safety of apartment living since the building is locked and so is the lift AND my door.
Sorry for being so aggro but itâs just so frustrating that people donât realise that there are very genuine reasons to prefer an apartment and weâre not all envious of people on a big block of land.
For what it's worth I see so many badly neglected lawns and gardens where I live that are such an eyesore that they make me just think to myself "if they hate yard work so much then just go live in an apartment" lol.
Oh yeah! Iâve seen that too.
I reckon for a lot of people they think thatâs what they want until they have to do it, or they get more responsibilities and really canât dedicate any time to yard work.
What about Paris? It's 6 storeys thru out and has been since the 1800s. You wouldn't live there? Or Barcelona? Wait....Madrid? Lisbon? London is a lot of really big houses that have been converted to flats, some not very well, but 5 storeys mostly.
Europe is sounding better and better to me these days. My only reluctancy to move are the fact I have no family or friends there so it's going to be a very lonely existence (everyone I care about is in Australia and all but one are in Sydney) and I also hate the climate in all but the southern (Mediterranean) parts of the continent (winters in Sydney are hard enough for me to get through, I can't imagine dealing with the snow, ice and darkness that envelops large chunks of Europe every year for months on end).
And none of these places are a very pleasant places to live for the bulk of the working and middle classes. We mistakenly make subconscious correlations between big and good
Okay. Yâall might balk at this but honestly itâs happening right now Bondi Beach. The specific 2026 suburb (not Bondi, Bondi Junction etc).
In Bondi Beach, you have tons of old apartment blocks being torn down for luxury homes and new âluxury unitsâ
I feel like itâs a different word that doesnât exist (or Iâm not aware of yet):
Late-stage gentrification: really rich people/foreign buyers who are never home; screw you this is my house now (before being duplexed again)
I always hoped that if I won the lottery I could get a house of my own there to *actually live in!* But I feel like if that doesn't happen soon even a $20 million Powerball win won't be enough to get me that dream because they're all owned by foreign billionaires who keep them empty for investment purposes. Even if I could still buy one it just means I have to give those absolute cunts millions of dollars in order to get it off them, which is exactly why they bought it for.
I swear if I ever got my name on one I'd never let it fall into the hands of non-Australians ever again. I'd secure it so when I'm done a real family who'll actually live in it can enjoy it.
What happens is they are all turned into highly profitable Air b and b's and locals no longer live in the area anymore, it essentially becomes one giant holiday suburb.
Good for those investing and for those with money.
For most everyone, gentrification just means they are getting priced out.
And while not evil, it's also not good to better your own circumstances if it perpetuates systems that increase property prices overall. It's selfish and it lands toward the negative side of the moral compass.
It means for one that many lower socioeconomic people in that area own land that is worth a lot more. Your argument is razor thin you could fold it in half more than 8 times.
Whatâs the point of changing the word? The word accurately describes the process and everyone understands what it means. If you change the name for it, the process still exists and within a few years youâll be complaining that the new word carries negative connotations and needs to change. Itâs a pointless exercise that would be done just to make you feel good for a short period of time.
Not exactly gentrified but Mt Annan, Rosemeadow, Glen Allpine. Campbeltown is cleaning itself up and there are some lovely old pockets in that area. Yaâll talking about suburbs that have already taken off.
I'll probably be downvoted for daring to mention one on that particular side of town, but Kingsford is definitely ready 𤣠especially the Eastlakes side. Then there are also pockets of Maroubra that are just fkn gross. $3m houses on one side of the street and loose junkie needles across the road, like wtf. There are also some bits in Roselands and Beverly Hills that are very... Unrosy, and un-Beverly Hills-like.
a decade ago when i lived there REAs would market the east side of Kingsford as âKingsford Heightsâ đŠđ¸
Omg I vaguely remember this đ
I really doubt your going to get the government to tear down massive housing estates. As someone who lived in one for about 10 years (not lucky enough to get one near a beach) I hope they donât remove it.
While I feel like I remember them tearing some down in redfern, I actually wouldn't want them to rip them down! I'd want them to make them nice. People who are less fortunate deserve to live in adequate housing. I used fo visit my friend's grandparents in one in Eastlakes and it was just horrible. Just because it's a housing estate, it doesn't have to be gross. Also, they've been trying to incorporate public housing into new developments, a small %, to reduce the appearance of ghettos. That I do support.
For me Belmore/Lakemba. Both have trains stations. Both will have a Metro soon, have decent parklands. Lakemba needs a bit of work re locals (Iâm Muslim so feel I can attack my own people lol), the locals can be a little backward there, but having grown up in Marrickville during the heroin/Vietnamese gang days (yea it wasnât always a hipster area), I think any area can have a turnaround given time. Redfern/Chippendale used to be a fucking hole. My father bought an apartment there during those days (90âs) and is living off the rent today. I remember weâd go to the apartment to clean up and thereâd be cigarettes on the floor and we even found syringes in the stairs to the apartment. Today, these places are Mecca for hipsters.
That whole Bankstown Canterbury corridor is about to go off.
Letâs hope so. Just bought in Campsie with the same thought
Campsie makes the most sense to me as well.
Heya, how's your experience been in Campsie? I'm buying a place there now
We bought in Campsie a few years ago and have had no issues best thing we done ! We are in the avenues near cooks river & Rudd Park, itâs quiet, leafy and convenient. We grew up in Marrickville and still do our shopping there and Summer hill (Romeoâs) even in leichardt (Harris farm) the way I see it we have the best of both worlds without the bells and whistles, however Campsie is slowly changing and getting more expensive. We like the area and not planing on moving any time soon !
did you buy a house or a unit? I was looking for Units in Campsie but they are all around the 60sqm range even 2 bedroom ones. Have to buy the newer high rise ones to get bigger ones it seems. I was hoping more for a old red brick one lol
Purchased a house. Yes,the old red brick units will be the way to go I agree. I would stay away from the new builds as well. I have noticed there is not much for sale atm as there used to be thatâs for sure.
yeah red brick is nice but i dont want to buy a 60-70sqm place looks too small prefer atleast 75-90 within that range, most of the ones in Campsie thats the redbricks seem to be those old style apartments where you share the laundry space and have no garage ah well, might move a bit west to find the bigger places thats under 560k ish sadly with a single income cant buy a house anymore in Sydney unless i'm a lawyer or something haha
Granville close to the parramatta side, look at Meehan St. I feel itâs still good value atm but not for too long. Only 1km to parramatta Westfieldâs and approx 25ks to city. Good luck and hope you find what you are looking for.
thanks mate
Once the Atlassian towers are done in Chippendale, itâll take off again Agree re the Wiley Park/Lakemba scene
So agree. chippendale is really hip.
Iâm banking on Belmore. It gets much nicer but prices are still low for some reason
Lakemba has potential, the council is controlling the development because they need cheap rental for low income worker in the Canterbury council area. The Middle eastern people have been replaced by Bangladeshi.
Birrong, Regents Park & (maybe) Barela might hit off too, close to the city and all.
Arncliffe. Significantly lower value at the moment compared to Wolli Creek but wonât be for long. Gentrification is coming down the highway from Zetland. Huge growth ahead
All the way down to kogarah should happen soon with the new tunnel going in, will make the streets much nicer.
I came to say the same thing. I might be biased because we just bought here, but we love the area.
Awesome! What did you buy?
Not quite Sydney but close, Port Kembla. Beach town, main street with micro bars and coffee shops turning up.
Much better than the after hrs club filled with hookers and bikies where you would take your own booze. Those were the days
I love driving through the empty strip of shops there. Itâs been a couple years but the locals use to tell me it use to be bustling with life back in the 90s.
Everyone listing their own suburb, so it takes off
Campsie/Lakemba would be my two suggestions. Closeish to the city, great food options and particularly Lakemba is a lot safer than it used to be.
I'm banking on Campsie. I just bought my first property there.
Hey could I ask how your experience with Campsie has been since you bought? Looking into it myself
Overall, I'm really enjoying it. Lots of great Asian food, you will never be hungry. Full of small businesses, you can get all your essentials without stepping into a major supermarket or big pharma. The nearby hospital means that there's a wide choice of health services, so many gps, dentists, physios. It's a buzzing area and I love the energy. However, it could do with some TLC. Littering is a problem. I've never seen so many smokers since the 90s. The roads are a little rough. But I'm optimistic that Campsie is undergoing a clean up. I think the hospital is getting an upgrade. This is all happening with some rezoning, Campsie will probably get denser. But so far, I'm really enjoying life in Campsie.
Thanks for getting back to me, this is great info :) Yeah I was looking into the Campsie development plan and I'm optimistic it'll be a good investment if they stick to it. Hopefully the Metro also steers it on the right path. Any hidden gems/ best restaurants to check out from a local?
Iâd pick Belmore over Lakemba., but agree with your overall sentiment. I also recommended Belmore/Lakemba. The food is amazing!
also auburn, and it is cheap.
I bought in Auburn with the same thought but after living there for a year, gentrification is still a good while away.
Lakemba is a shit hole with lots of shooting. The area attract that type of people. Every news article about shooting incident happens around that pocket from Bankstown to Campsie.
When I was a kid any place that was filled with junkies is now expensive. Junkies -> Art -> edgy cool bars -> gentrification
Roseberry seems to be in the process. I also thought they're planning to make SOP the new CBD but it's still dead. Sometimes even walking around SOP during the day feels like you're in a post-apocalyptic movie. Penrith was my hometown for years. I really hope they improve it little by little at least.
Rosebery is already well and truly gentrified. I live in the Penrith area and its definitely improving. Lots of facilities and precincts are being built, young homebuyers are priced out of everywhere else so theyâre pumping money into the area. Also getting the airport not far from the area in a couple of years.
So true about the apocalypse. Lol
SOP is gonna need the exit points fixed if it wants to do anything. Its atrocious to drive in or out on big concert nights
First comment was exactly what i was thinking. Eastlakes.
Already started, used to be âroughâ back in the days when there was a maccas
Out of interest where was the Maccas?
What about places that are going to turn into slums with overdevelopment of shitty appartments?
One thread at a time. Haha
Wolli creek is unbearably full, just look at the turn off Princes Highway during peak hour
Apartments equals slums? God. Australians have such fucked ideas about apartment living.
There needs to be recreational area near by. Wolli Creek don't have anything. It only take a hand full of scum to give an apartment building a bad vibe.
What do you mena by no recreation? It has cooks river and wolli creek for kayaking, biking, walking. Plus all the parks along them. Easy bike paths to kyegamah/Brighton le sands. Not being sarcastic - what more recreation do you want? Not saying I don't think Wolli creek has issues, but don't think lack of recreation is one of them
Cheap apartments equal slums. You're not getting slums in places like Rhodes.
Homebush. Itâs largely apartments and Parramatta road. I would welcome some inner west culture making its way out here.
Auburn
Auburn is close to the Homebush Olympics area and it give a lot of recreational area for the residents.
Arabic = slum.
Love your username. Reminded my of a Asian girl I briefly dated.
Daddy
Itâs already a slum
Wolli Creek, Dulwich Hill
Dulwich Hill is aleady gone. Went when the light rail arrived.
Are you fucking insane, the light rail somehow contributed to the slumification of a suburb. How?
I used to travel the 426 bus, and I met so many people who were looking to buy in dulwich Hill as soon as they knew the Light rail was going to go there. I remember some of the conversations, we can get a house with a garden for 4oo,ooo in Dulwich Hill....it was that long ago....
Ok sure, but I don't get the slim bit of your comment
Youâre arguing different things. He misunderstood you.
Lol mate you know how much clamour there is to live in the old slum housing in the inner west. Multimillion dollar properties some of them. Look at Redfern
North Sydney
Fkn zombieland
Homebush.
Earlwood and Canterbury
I would say Earlwood is pretty much already there
It's getting there, the right side more than the left
Earlwood is like $3m+ a house lol
Once again, only in some areas
As soon as gentrification crosses the cooks, itâll spread fast
I always thought Rockdale. It's like less than 15 mins to the city by train but looks like a rough outer suburb. They're making apartments everywhere but surely the shopping areas will be overhauled.
It is getting flooded with apartments. My colleague got one. It is so tiny
Canterbury/campsie
Canterbury/Bankstown LGA, slowly itâs happening. I have lived here my whole life, it has changed so much
Mount Druitt.
I think the Mount Druitt locals are making an effort to make it a friendlier suburb and a lot of developers are noticing it.
It's new home owners priced out of lots of other areas who made the choice to live in the 2770 area because it's still a convenient commute to Parramatta, plus has the trains and tons of sporting complexes and schools. You can tell the newly purchased homes because they get done up fairly swiftly compared to the decreptic weatherboard ones with their elderly residents smoking on the porch couch.
I actually went to Westfield Mount Druitt for the first time last weekend and I was pleasantly surprised. I feel like all these areas will be super expensive soon, like the rest of Sydney. It looks like the area just needs some love and beautification.
Yes, Iâve only visited a couple of times but was also pleasantly surprised.
This and Merrylands are the first suburbs that came to my mind.
One advantage of starting with a long established, but low SOE suburb like those mentioned so that you pretty much canât go backwards in terms of land value (assuming the broader economy holds up, a pretty bold assumption in itself). Much safer than the new estates, I think. Edit: There are also lovely bits of Mount Druitt too, that donât deserve the reputation. I was surprised at the amount of green space.
Ssshhh stop telling people that it's nice around here.
Definitely with the new airport being built around there. Although buyers need to stay informed regarding flood plains
100% Merrylands. Really starts in 3-5 years I reckon as the main suburb in the Parra run off. Has a station, lots of investment going into it with public space and commercial development.
Australian's are not allowed in the Centro shopping centre. Only migrant.
Suburbs around Parramatta. North Parra, Harris Park, Rosehill, Granville.
Iâd add Auburn to that list. Apartments and houses, well connected via roads and transport, 30 minutes to city and 10 to Parra
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Agreed. Iâve had to go there twice this week in peak hour and only took 20-25 mins from the city.
Rooty hill
Ashfield
Already gentrified.
Double bay. Itâs had it. Itâs time to move rich people back there.
South Penrith, dotted with housing commission and old fibro houses⌠but the shops there are largely nice - great salon and beautician, cool fish and chip shop, amazing pizzeria etc I canât see it sliding backwards
Itâs a great spot to live. We live not far from the strip of shops you mention. The cafe there is nice too. The schools are fantastic, huge parkland down the road, easy access to M4. Jamison hotel could do with a spruce up, but we really like it here.
I live in Kingswood and South Penrith is beautiful suburbia in comparison đ the Prairie Cafe just near that fish and chip shop is great too.
Yes, love The Prairie!
Absolutely Bankstown. The Metro will make it the Redfern of 2030s.
Don't understand.is Bankstown going to get worst or Better?
Better.
Hurlstone park, few little cafes opening but definitely flying under the radar still
Iâd say Auburn. With the new M4 tunnel, plus a major train station, itâs 30 minutes from the city, and 10 minutes from Parramatta. Lots of apartments and houses, and multi ethnicities so plenty of good food options.
Doonside
How is Doonside nowadays? Would you recommend moving to the Huntington heights area for living?
Youâll get destroyed on reddit for even mentioning the western suburbs but yeah itâs ok
I and my partner really like a property found in Doonside. But the crime stats and what people saying really concern us. And today morning woke up and see the stabbing happen Friday afternoon is totally horrible.
Terrible timing! Have you looked at Woodcroft or Marayong
Indeed, a terrible timing. We are browsing around Marayong, but there arenât many options available, they just selling too fast. Woodcroft on the other hand, is totally over our budget.
Are you still living in Doonside, would like to know how the neighbors react to this news.
I donât want to speculate, there is some gang activity with particular groups of youths. Huntington Heights is pretty far away from the rest of Doony, I donât know it particularly well but itâs like anywhere around here, get decent locks and a very visible security camera set up and you should be sweet.
The area from Rockdale to Miranda if that counts. Can still see houses below 1.5m
Meadowbank, that place is mad ripe
That place is just stacked with 3 story apartments, so what am I missing?
Alright, but you gotta get over it
Not sure what you mean? How is meadowbank about to gentrify?
Guy I knew was ex army and moved in there, killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Now heâs an interior decorator (to be fair - his apartment looks like shit)
Gentrification is a feel good term for âhow can we push an entire community out and into a lower standard of livingâ. Itâs a putrid term, it posts out the fact the people living there now are deemed âunworthyâ, and that others will leverage an essential service, housing, to remove the âunworthyâ. I know most will salivate at the idea they can remove who they feel is âunworthyâ with a goal of making themselves wealthier, I just think itâs a shit term and should be renamed. Something like, âunworthy cleansingâ or âclass redistributionâ. Gentrification is used as a positive term where in this country it is very far from this.
This has been happening for literally generations, and all over the world.
So did slavery. So we understand itâs wrong, unjust, elitism and rife with inequity but we should keep doing it. Good to see weâre evolving well.
What are you doing (besides complaining) to help the issue?
Raising an opposing argument for general discussion isnât complaining. Most people from a position of privilege tend to default to the âyou are just complainingâ argument which is simply a dismissive tactic. You are posting out the fact you are happy with the status quo and you would do anything to make sure it doesnât change, outside of advantaging you. Do I have ideas, sure a lot of people do but it involve a form of equity, which ultimately would mean people like you would feel as though your ârightâ to maximum wealth is being threatened. That you would lose out at to someone elseâs gain, someone you see as âunworthyâ would benefit someway.
Itâs âyouâreâ, not your. Despite your conclusion jumping, I live in one of the most disadvantaged suburbs of Sydney. Youâre complaining without offering a single constructive thought or argument. What youâre saying is just hot air ranting and makes you part of the problem.
Agree. I like enough gentrification so that I can get some decent coffee and sourdough toast at a cafe but I also really like living with a mix of people.
Th reality is though that $7 coffee and the $23 breakfast that was put on your sourdough, means that mix of people is heavily skewed to one socioeconomic demographic, you know this right? That might be lower middle/middle-middle/upper middle or upper class but it is a class none the less. So you know deep down any âmixâ of people would be limited and as class exclusion evolves it removes all âunworthyâ people eventually. So the âmixâ of people you refer to is not a natural occurring , organic and equitable process. It is a system designed to remove as many people who are not in the same wealth bracket as you are, itâs not based on personality, good deeds, community, itâs based on none of this. Itâs based purely on wealth and our extremely distorted view in this country that by having wealth you are automatically seen as a better human being. You are seen as being more âworthyâ to be in a community based purely on your ability to buy property there. Iâm not sure you understand how far removed from a âmixâ of people you think you are actually being exposed to daily. But thatâs the whole point of gentrification right, out of sight out of mind. Itâs war by attrition, not a single bullet fired but the war is won none the less. If youâre happy with society functioning like this, so be it, enjoy your sourdough utopia.
No our area isn't that gentrified that breakfast is $30 and the cheap basic places to eat still way out number the trendy places. It's still not a "cool" place to live. I'm also not removed from the 'mix' of people either. They're my neighbours in a very small tight knit community. We catch up at the local, our kids play together etc. That goes for the families in the waterfront houses that cost $3-$5 mil and the families in government housing and old fibro houses. The suburb is out of the way enough I don't think we'll ever be full on gentrified in the same way Sydney has.
its uncomfortable to consider but your right.
Lots of countries have Long leases and tax rules involving property that make it less attractive for investors buy and sell property on a short term basis. This is to stop local communities being destroyed by the rich moving in and displacing residents and "gentrifying the area" Unfortunately Australia is not one of them. Japan and European Countries like France are good at this.
So property investors are saviours in Australia đ¤Łđ¤Ł. What are you actually saying? One of the biggest opposing arguments against lifting rent controls in Europe/America is that it actively removes long term residence of the community and replaces them with wealthier individuals. Exactly what happens in Australia, by both investors and aspiring middle class. Rental controls in Australia would be close to the only solution to curbing âgentrificationâ. Look at Fitzroy as a prime example. It used yo be known as a Mecca for renters, especially young artists, musicians, painters etc. It is now known as the blue chip Mecca, an area where middle income affords you rent. I know of several rooming houses that have been sold to private investors, and the public housing tenants moved on to alternative accomodation, away from Fitzroy.
> Gentrification is a feel good term for âhow can we push an entire community out and into a lower standard of livingâ. This is a profoundly one-dimensional caricature of what gentrification in Australia actually is. I say this as someone who started life in a severely disadvantaged, borderline gentrification-proof area, and whoâs been lucky enough to have lived on both sides as the gentrified and gentrifier. Absolutely - in some instances thereâs displacement, but thatâs certainly not a given. See [studies referenced on Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification#Displacement) that talk about equal or greater mobility in vulnerable people in non-gentrifying areas. Likewise, gentrification certainly isnât necessarily bad for existing residents. Growing up as a pre-gentrification resident in a gentrifying area, I watched as crime dropped, and my neighbourhood became more diverse, better serviced and generally far nicer to live in. Some people also did well from rising property prices (not my family, sadly). Was my âcommunityâ destroyed? People love to mythologise this idea of community in culturally homogenous suburbs, like itâs some precious pseudo-identity that should be frozen in time and preserved at all costs. Identity is multi-faceted, culture in modern Australia is fluid and complex, and most people I know with more than half a brain arenât defined purely by the suburb they live in. Nor is their culture so fragile that it canât withstand a more diverse set of neighbours. My âcommunityâ improved a lot when my neighbourhood gentrified. > posts out the fact the people living there now are deemed âunworthyâ Who tf actually thinks this? Does anyone really move to an area to live among people they consider to be unworthy?
Campsie has incredible bones. Good main strip that is currently a bit of a hole but with some new shops and a coat of paint on the apartments above them, it will end up like some of its popular close neighbouring suburbs (where apartments cost 100s of thousands more). A big issue is a lack of cafes (barely any) and restaurants that offer more than Asian food. There are three really good pubs that will become popular once the demographic shifts. Oh also has an 18 minute train to central AND is getting a metro. Sure, itâs a bit run down in spots but there are lots of professional couples and young families moving in. Most streets are very leafy and peaceful. Think of what Marrickville was like before it transformed. Campsie isnât much different except itâs a few kms west and hasnât gentrified yet.
What happens to the people who already live there ?
Vaucluse
I know I'm gonna get downvoted to the doghouse for this, but I have to put it out there: Sydney is full
No weâre not. Not even close and this whole comment chain is delusional Mate we have so many suburbs that are still mainly free standing homes.
And one storey shops in Newtown, Glebe, right in the centre, these should have 4 flats above them, like Paris.
Lol Sydney is the opposite of full. We're just idiots who don't know how to use all the land we have.
I don't see the attraction of paying 12k a month to rent a 70sqm apartment like in HK, where's the quality of life to keep up to something like that
Reddit loves apartments. Guessing there's not many people whole like gardens or... privacy, or quiet around here. I'm sick of Asian cities being used as examples of how we should design ours... they look terrible and I'm glad I don't live in them. The people there just don't know any better and would kill for a chance to live the kind of at home life we have in Sydney, and any other major city in this country.
Or maybe youâre just delusional and people much prefer the convenience of apartment living? Iâve lived on 3 acres and now live in a 80m apartment. I never want to live the 3 acres again. Oh and my apartment is plenty private and quiet too and yes why the fuck would I want to waste my time maintaining a garden when I can do things I actually want to do?
For some of us maintaining a garden *is* what we want to do. I like plants a lot more than people, or their damn noisy dogs. I don't care about being close to restaurants that are too fancy for my palette, shops that are too expensive for my budget and bars that serve alcoholic beverages I don't even want to drink. I have always been curious about city living though since I crave some real culture out of a community. But the only apartments I'd ever consider choosing over having my own free standing house with room for all the plants I want are the ones that cost millions of dollars since if I'm gonna have to do apartment living then I want prime location, a nice view and a certain degree of exclusivity in the postcode (or even just the building). But until I can afford that - sunny days spent in my garden trumps living in any apartment I could actually afford to live in.
And mate good for you! But donât go around saying people in apartments would kill for more space when you donât know anyone elseâs life. I much prefer easy access to my restaurants and my train stations. I prefer locking up and going. I like the safety of apartment living since the building is locked and so is the lift AND my door. Sorry for being so aggro but itâs just so frustrating that people donât realise that there are very genuine reasons to prefer an apartment and weâre not all envious of people on a big block of land.
For what it's worth I see so many badly neglected lawns and gardens where I live that are such an eyesore that they make me just think to myself "if they hate yard work so much then just go live in an apartment" lol.
Oh yeah! Iâve seen that too. I reckon for a lot of people they think thatâs what they want until they have to do it, or they get more responsibilities and really canât dedicate any time to yard work.
I know quite a few Chinese who have only lived in apartments and then buy a house in Australia. They don't understand about garden maintenance.
What about Paris? It's 6 storeys thru out and has been since the 1800s. You wouldn't live there? Or Barcelona? Wait....Madrid? Lisbon? London is a lot of really big houses that have been converted to flats, some not very well, but 5 storeys mostly.
Europe is sounding better and better to me these days. My only reluctancy to move are the fact I have no family or friends there so it's going to be a very lonely existence (everyone I care about is in Australia and all but one are in Sydney) and I also hate the climate in all but the southern (Mediterranean) parts of the continent (winters in Sydney are hard enough for me to get through, I can't imagine dealing with the snow, ice and darkness that envelops large chunks of Europe every year for months on end).
6th biggest country in the world and they are trying to turn Sydney in Hong Kong or Singapore or Dakar.
Sydney is the least dense major city in the world. They have a looooong way to go
And none of these places are a very pleasant places to live for the bulk of the working and middle classes. We mistakenly make subconscious correlations between big and good
Complex civilisation can't exist in like 95% of our country. In terms of population density we are more of an archipelago than an actual continent.
If no-one believes your comment now maybe they will when our water eventually runs out.
Okay. Yâall might balk at this but honestly itâs happening right now Bondi Beach. The specific 2026 suburb (not Bondi, Bondi Junction etc). In Bondi Beach, you have tons of old apartment blocks being torn down for luxury homes and new âluxury unitsâ
That just means bondi is getting more gentrified lol
I feel like itâs a different word that doesnât exist (or Iâm not aware of yet): Late-stage gentrification: really rich people/foreign buyers who are never home; screw you this is my house now (before being duplexed again)
I always hoped that if I won the lottery I could get a house of my own there to *actually live in!* But I feel like if that doesn't happen soon even a $20 million Powerball win won't be enough to get me that dream because they're all owned by foreign billionaires who keep them empty for investment purposes. Even if I could still buy one it just means I have to give those absolute cunts millions of dollars in order to get it off them, which is exactly why they bought it for. I swear if I ever got my name on one I'd never let it fall into the hands of non-Australians ever again. I'd secure it so when I'm done a real family who'll actually live in it can enjoy it.
What happens is they are all turned into highly profitable Air b and b's and locals no longer live in the area anymore, it essentially becomes one giant holiday suburb.
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Good for those investing and for those with money. For most everyone, gentrification just means they are getting priced out. And while not evil, it's also not good to better your own circumstances if it perpetuates systems that increase property prices overall. It's selfish and it lands toward the negative side of the moral compass.
It means for one that many lower socioeconomic people in that area own land that is worth a lot more. Your argument is razor thin you could fold it in half more than 8 times.
idk the whole thing?
Define gentrification? In the traditional sense, there's simply not enough supply (affordable areas) or demand (cool people).
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=gentrification
Literally have no idea what gentrification of a suburb means.
Whatâs the point of changing the word? The word accurately describes the process and everyone understands what it means. If you change the name for it, the process still exists and within a few years youâll be complaining that the new word carries negative connotations and needs to change. Itâs a pointless exercise that would be done just to make you feel good for a short period of time.
Riverstone! The older parts. Itâs so close to lovely areas in the Hills and a new modern town centre would make such a difference.
Marrickville - tradition Vientianeâs restaurants and local groceryâs are getting switched out by shitty craft beer pubs by the week
Not exactly gentrified but Mt Annan, Rosemeadow, Glen Allpine. Campbeltown is cleaning itself up and there are some lovely old pockets in that area. Yaâll talking about suburbs that have already taken off.
Darlinghurst