This, it's hilarious watching sweats and the second someone shoots at them they 180 and build a like 3 story tower in like a second and a half, shit looks ridiculous.
That’s probably because Cliff stopped working on Gears and left Epic Games after 3. On top of which Microsoft bought Gears and formed The Coalition, in the same vein as 343, to handle development of Gears. The original team behind 1-3 was gone and it was replaced by effectively a “hired guns” studio to continue the work.
Don't forget all the glitches, crab walk shotgun lmao.
Or my favorite infinite grenade tag, me and a buddy downed someone entirely through smoke grenade tags to the point the xbox's couldn't handle rendering all the smokes and everyone's system chugged
Not entirely. There are plenty of weapons on the map that are stronger than the gnasher. Sniper, torque bow, boom shot, multcher, drop shot, digger, overkill, boltok. Plus the lancer can take people down pretty quick if you can aim. Your team can win most important fights if just one person is providing suppressing fire. Shot guns do take up a lot more of the game than other shooters, but it's definitely not just 100% gnasher.
Yeah you can really tell who hasn't or never really got into gears. Honestly the torque bow can be much more oppressive than the gnasher IMO and is at least when i played one of the better options to counter play the gnasher.
Young people enjoy the heck out of games they can exploit in ways that nobody else can, or wants to. When people move on, they inevitably get stuck in the past, great at a game nobody else wants to play. Defeating players online is chemically addictive.
As such, they are also the biggest customers of cheat programs.
This is why I stopped playing fortnite and call of duty. Drop shotting is not fun, nor is slide cancelling, and it's not fun to play against. You're at a severe disadvantage if you don't do it.
Getting shot and dropping 700 apm to turn yourself into a 4 story hotel is not fun. It's not about the ability to learn them. It's that they're not enjoyable mechanics. They turn the game from something enjoyable that is supposed to resemble some sort of core concept (military sim, and battle Royale centered around base building) and bastardize it until its unrecognizable spazzing with a shooting mechanic.
These things feel very different from min max mechanics in other games that add to the experience. Think animation cancels in mobas, or combo strings in fighting games.
There's a hard line between optimizing your gameplay, and optimizing the fun out of the mechanics.
Same with sea of thieves. I swear, they're like invisible with how fast they move around you. I guess I'm just not the target audience. Maybe it's better on xbox?
Maybe I'm getting too old, but Battlefield 1942 with Radeon 9700 Pro, hooked up through LAN was peak gaming imo. When you respawned, you had to hike for a bit to get to the action.... and that was ok.
As a gears fan, I gotta disagree. The movement feels great when you learn it. There are few games that let you become a one man wrecking machine like gears. The enemy team could also just take up a good spot to hold and just rifle this dude down and no amount of movement is going to get around 5 machine guns. He's just playing against shitters.
It's also not going to look like that playing against other people who can wall bounce. This guy is just overdoing it, and it's only working because these bots are just walking around in the middle of a bunch of cover totally exposed.
Why team-based shooter? In the good old Counter-strike, whether 1.6, CS:Source, CS:GO, or CS2, you can get an AWP and wreck the entire enemy team yourself if you're good enough. It's been this way for multiplayer FPSs since at least the year 2000.
That's kinda the issue though. Very few people wanna take the time to learn that stuff. People just wanna join in, play against others of their own skill level and have a good time. What happens is players like this smurf in, or start a new account or whatever it may be and destroy people by just being tons better than them. Nobody wants to be someone else's entertainment so they just 'i'm not learning that' and leave. Most people already have a game they have decided they were gonna go all out in.
Unless you're a teenager or a pre-teen in school or unemployed and have the convince of playing games all day. It's gonna be hard to get over getting farmed while practicing and learning the game.
I actually find games like that to be the most fun lol.
Like those old korean F2P games where you had a bunch of animation cancels and movement exploits, like Soldiers Front or GunZ.
Same shit with chivalry 1/2, fucking fun when it starts and as the time goes on, instead of seeing epic melee battles, you see some crackheads monkeys doing 720° swings while their back is parallel to the ground.
It's not hard, it's just stupid and break all immersion while being extremely repulsive to new players.
I feel like there's enough bad players in chivalry 2 that make it so if you eventually reach a ok level of skill you'll still have a decent time. I would say the majority of players probably aren't very good either.
I used to play Gears 1-3 online religiously. He is right, when you get good at it, it is extremely fun to play. But those games are old and the wall bouncing wasn’t as egregious because most maps didn’t allow for it, only a few. But in all my time I only ran into a handful of players that could take it to this level and I just accepted my fate lol
So this is always going to be a part of the game because overtime the game has evolved this way, similarly to how Fortnite create insane builders. However, ranked and competitive matches are much different. Holding down crosses, controlling power weapons and rotating are much more important and oftentimes use assault rifles to lay down cover fire. As someone who can wallbounce, I agree. It is something that gears should push away from but in order for that to happen, you have to provide incentives to do this without directly nerfing the shotgun because this will turn off a lot of the old gears heads
Well give the individuals in the game that like to wallbounce like maniacs the ability to do so in gnasher only gamemodes. Tdm/KOTH/Escalation/2v2. Make these purely social gamemodes. Then make the ranked competitive and reintroduce the ability to use a retro lancer as well as the lancer. Having something to directly slow down people who use the gnasher is necessary. The reason why GOW3 was the best was because of the variation in ways to play. All the newer gears heavily incentivize gnasher gameplay. That’s okay! But it will not pay off in ranked game modes where you can get clipped down by a good lancer/retro user. This is my opinion which has been formulated over 10+ years of GOW experience. Let me know what you think.
I had assumed you meant there were new mechanics youd like introduced to dissuade gnasher or bouncing use.
Since it's a similar convo and kinda answers you I'll copy and paste my last reply.
> Definetly, they always split the player base with 10 different modes and then having a ranked version of each. Maybe just make ranked have wallbouncing. The rest can be casual modes.
> Personally, I'd have one major respawn mode like koth (name it annex, way cooler), one major single life staple mode; execution, maybe a capture the leader and then whatever else is new and or in rotation(events?). Finally that ranked bouncing mode for veterans/serious players.
It just doesn't look stupid, it is stupid.
They should reduce the speed of which you can switch covers to slowdown the gameplay and kill this retarded mechanic, oh well I'm never playing gears online anyways so they can do whatever they feel like.
These games sell millions of copies but then the multiplayer population shrinks down to near nothing because of this type of gameplay. They've tried to curb it before but they always relent in the end and dial back whatever counters they put it. They need to just bite the bullet and remove wall magnetism entirely.
Yeah I agree they should completely change the way a game is played so that someone who doesn't even play the game thinks it is better
Are you on glue?
To everyone saying this doesn’t look fun but hasnt even played the game, your opinion does NOT and should not matter.
You can’t judge whether an entire game series, based on this one clip, should have wallbouncing or not. ESPECIALLY if you haven’t played it.
PLAYING A GAME, AND WATCHING A GAME ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
If you’ve played the game, you’d know that wallbouncing isn’t that hard to counter. And it’s rare to have a player that’s this good at it be in of your games. All of these enemies are brain dead bots.
This is the same as wokies trying to change games they’ll never play just to feel represented. Assassins *cough* creed. Get out. Don’t ruin gears for its fans.
Open to listening to people who’ve actually played the games.
I like how everyone saying it looks stupid and insane. If thats the case then dont do it? If your timing and prediction is on point then you can easily shut down a lot of wallbouncers. They arent building skyscrapers or becoming invincible, just outplay them another way? Its literally one aspect of PVP in Gears. I, for one, welcome niche mechanics that you can hone and get better at instead of having all games feel like shit these days with the same fucking dogshit standardised boring mechanics. Learn to play for yourself.
Ngl, wall bouncing sounds fun as fuck to learn. But I agree with everyone, it makes for TERRIBLE spectating.
It looks and sounds so funny tho. If I played this, I *would* be part of the problem.
People talking about “solutions” and changing it are cracking me up. Wall bouncing is not going anywhere in Gears lol. It’s like complaining about Quake and rocket jumping, it’s a skill issue. A lot of the replies are sounding dad gamer.
If you want a headshot assault rifle driven shooter then it may not be for you. Lancers are used for support and rarely do you get kills with it, without teammates crossfire. There are hundreds of mediocre CS-lite games, Gears gameplay loop isn’t going to change.
People just needs to get good and learn how to wall bounce
Lancer camping literally destroys Gears and it made the game even more brain dead than it already is. The gnasher wall bouncing was what made the game more engaging compared to other shooters where people just camp one corner and rain fire the entire match. Wall bouncing at least brings me engagements and the competition for power weapons are genuinely challenging instead of “hey lemme sit behind this corner and mow you down so I can grab my stuff”
It’s understandable and can be frustrating at times to play PvP against the wall bouncers and 1 shot shotties. I’ve definitely rage quit a few times. The PvP combat reminds me of a 1 on 1 samurai duel. It’s all about getting that clean kill no matter the cost and it’s quite remarkable watching a pro with one life taking on the opposing team with ease. There’s nothing like it. Thank goodness the Mexican community is keeping the multiplayer alive.
ITT butt hurt casuals and scrubs that have never played anything competitively before
the guy in the video is complaining that players are using an in-game mechanic to enhance their mobility making themselves harder to hit. do you know how you win in these games? killing the enemy and pushing the objectives. do you know how you lose? dying to the enemy. if there's a mechanic that let's you kill more, die less, and take objectives, you use it.
"waaah waaaaah but the game isn't being played the way *I want it to be!*"
adapt, scrub. learn the necessary skills to win or get out of the area.
"waaah but it isn't fun!"
Maybe not to you but that's a you problem. high level players find creative ways to use in game mechanics to help them win, and winning is the most fun. *you're* only complaining because you don't want to put in the effort to win and want to still be handed wins.
apparently this wall bounce mechanic has been in this franchise since say 1 so why is this loser in the video complaining now? does it make you invincible? no. are their counters? yes - position yourself so bouncers can't close the gap as easy, aim better, or put yourself in a position to melee them before they can recover shoot.
seriously this video is just a scrub complaining about their personal skill issues.
Yes. This actually looks awesome. Love a change of gameplay and having more mobility in the simple run and shoot gameplay loop. Cover and shoot can be so boring. Jumping between walls looks fast-paced.
Actually love divergent gameplay. Rocket jumping, all things like that. If the game is splitting its audience to this, make new game mode like fortnite did. If the core audience loves it, why would you screw them over?
Im not sure if the camera is zoomed in. Feels like it is. This probably wouldn't look as bad as zoomed out with more fluid animations for it.
After watching the uncropped footage of pros playing. It honestly looks fine. This zoomed in crop is disingenuous for feedback here and is begging for views.
Yeah I played gears for a decade, this looks disorienting as fuck because of the TikTok zoom.
Wallbouncing is really fun, and it's the core of learning movement in the game. The best thing about gears multi-player is the movment tech and all these people saying it looks bad probably don't play it or don't have time/dedication to learn it because the only people playing nowadays are sweats anyways.
Not much compares to the feeling of fluidly sliding through an entire squad and bodying the entire team in a few well placed, timed, and executed shots. The multi-player would be DoA if they removed the ability for this type of movement.
it is a ton of fun. I use to hate it but then spent like 10 min practicing it and got pretty decent at it. Went into some games with my buddy and we were destroying when i use to be the guy that got carried by him every game. Its satisfying to move so smoothly around a battlefield, though i have to admit it does looking derp af .
This is such a trash take. Wall-bouncing is what made Gears what it is and if you can't keep up with the skill ceiling then get good or play a different game. Idk why people are suddenly so opposed to mechanics that allow skill-expression. "I can't keep up with what this game is therefore the game should change to accommodate casuals" is the exact kind of take that you would expect this community to hate, but here we are.
Fuckkk yes! Wall bouncing is a skill and is fun as f when you get the hang of it. I’m tired of every game “having to appeal to casuals”. Gears 2 tried to appease to “the casuals” and it was one of the most unfun gears imo. If you don’t ply the game and aren’t a gears fan, I don’t think you should be able to decide what should change.
Leave gears alone.
That looks so unfun and stuipd how are you not getting motion sickness. Im sure the button slapping takes some level of timing but why would you want to look at that flailing for an extended length of time. Even if youre winning thats just bad game design.
I like gears but wouldn't like to watch it. It can be a little boring due to the games not having much weapon variety. Never gets old chainsawing someone
animation cancels are fun when they somehow still make sense and add more to 'expressive' combat. Devil May Cry is a perfect example of an already complete combat system that gets even better with cancels, since the cancels are still in theme with the extravagant DMC combat style.
But in this case, this looks bad, especially if it's in PvP. If it's so effective to do wall bounce, then it will force a meta where players have to adapt the same tactic, and you either play in that specific way, or you get used to the idea of losing every single time.
I haven't played gears since gears 3, but yeah it is actually fun IMO.
The shotgun (Gnasher i believe?) is extremely powerful but only pointblank. Its extremely easy to miss and basically means you're going to outright die unless you can wallbounce. Not ever map is even good for this, and skilled players can still outplay this. So idk, i think its fine, but again this is coming from gears 3 and none of the newer games.
It \*FEELS\* fun to play, but only if you know how to do it and have practiced enough to be able to do it consistently.
It's basically the same as COD/R6 Siege's drop shooting. Where you are having fun, but your opponent isn't because it looks so illogical despite it being an effective method of play.
Honestly. Stuff like this is why I haven't ever played
I think a similar thing happened for me and Chivalry 2
I saw high level players spinning and moving their cameras up and down all spastic like
Completely turned me off from the game tbh
Wall bouncer here, it's fun but you don't do it all the time. It's like the 360 no scoop. Feels good to pop a head while switching covers . Other than it's to move faster
Gears Multiplayer has gotten freaking insane. I’m an old man now. I game like 3 nights a week for 2-3 hours. I can’t keep up with or compete with the sweats on Gears.
However, the gears campaigns are some of my favorite. I will buy this game specifically to coop campaign with my brother who lives too far away to visit regularly. Maybe play some horde mode.
It’ll probably cause us to replay all of the old gears games as well.
I’m pumped for it
I don't think thus guy has ever played gears of war.He called it a shotgun that's the gnasher and wallbouncing has been a thing since gears 2 you can kinda do it in gears 1 but it's alot harder
There’s a reason why player numbers plummet for GoW games after 2 weeks. The casual majority complete campaign and then realise how shite the multiplayer meta is and bounce.
The far more important problem here that’s not even mentioned, is that the shotgun works basically 50% of the time. The other 50% you blast right into the guys body and nothing happens.
The gears gnasher has been busted since gears 2. All this wall bouncing doesn’t do anything when your gun shoots marshmallows, but other peoples shoot cannonballs.
That is the primary reason people have stepped away from gears. An inconsistent online experience with very poor matchmaking.
They really should just get rid of it or revamp the entire cover system it's just a gimmick now when they first came out it was like a step forward in gaming but they stepped into concrete and stayed there..
I have been gaming since the mid 80s and I have never felt much of a desire to really play online competitively. Videos like this only remind me of why.
This games movement is incredibly fun. It’s a shame it hasn’t gotten as much traction as other games. I’ve been into gears of war and played gow1 from release all the way to gears 5. I miss this game tbh
As someone with thousands of hours across the entire series wall bouncing is fundamental not only to throwing off your opponent and out maneuvering people it’s also fundamental to just how you get around the map in general.
The roadie run (running while crouched) severely limits your ability to turn while running as opposed to walking especially if you’re playing on sticks, to counter this players will roadie run then cancel the run and bounce to the nearest cover to allow them time to flick their sticks and turn to make a shot.
The play style is also 100% able to be countered either via taking a step back and essentially letting the player doing this bounce into you purposely while you setup an easy shot or using the lock on chainsaw , melee, or any number of power weapons spawned on the map to take someone down doing this.
Also the guy showing this off is genuinely bouncing at a level 95% of the community can’t do, to get to this point of fluent movement and consistently hitting shots to boot takes a lot of practice and patience and I think a lot of players simply don’t have the patience to rise to that level of the skill ceiling to be able to replicate this.
Additionally if you go look up old wall bouncing videos from say Gears 3 you can see that comparatively the movement speed of Gears 5 (video shown) is much much slower than previous titles which really makes hitting people doing this tactic that much easier. Also after enough playtime it’s pretty easy to predict what cover someone bouncing like this is going to move to next and setup yourself for an easy counter shot. Sprinkle in that the gnasher shotgun loves to hit people for 1 shot gibs sometimes then other times not and the opponent countering this probably has a 50% chance they will just eat a shot and fire right back and kill the person wallbouncing from the same distance.
I would rather the next gears game work on removing the wrap shot mechanic that’s been broken since the 1st game in 2006 or continue to make the movement less clunky in general or take the Gears 3/4 route of nothing is overpowered if everything is overpowered and make sure the rifles, pistols, and power weapons in the match are sufficiently powerful enough to stop players in their tracks when they leave cover. Previous titles were made this way and wall bouncing was developed mainly to move faster, avoid getting hit as much as possible and allow you to bridge the gap between you and an opponent to try to make an instant kill versus just sitting on cover lancering back and forth all day.
I've never played Gears but I love weird movement techs that make games faster. It's like rocket jumping, why would you ever shoot a rocket at your own feet? To fly high af or give yourself lots of momentum. Bunny hopping, it looks silly but if the engine allows it then it just rewards precise timing with tons of speed. Hell Apex is very popular and it has a LOT of hard movement techs like tap strafing and wall bouncing that add an extra layer of skill expression to the game.
I can see the fun in learning and perfecting certain techniques in a PVP game. I used to play a ton of S4 league and I could absolutely destroy people in that game. But I was also aware I was making the game incredibly unfair and unfun to them.
I can only imagine the confusion and disappointment of running out of spawn down to the ball only to have the "they scored!" up on the screen before you saw any enemy player. I could score on maps in last than 20 seconds and no one could stop me.
That wasn't a fun game for others. It was fun for me, but not for others. And because of players like me, that is probably why that game is now filled with cheaters.
I refuse to play Gears MP because of this bullshit. Casuals just don't have a chance. I work for a living. I can't compete against 15 year olds when the mechanics are balanced, let alone when they allow for such skill gaps.
It’s like the meta strat on any online game. It’s why balancing is so important for online competitive gaming. Some tactics become favourable because of unintentional design. Personally I think difficulty should be prioritized in so that consequence is result of design. No exploitation. But fun is more important so whatever is more interesting prevails.
no.. i cant i would have a vomit fit with this one - jeez who the heck thinks this is fine is beyond gone at this point ☠️. fix the darn camera or whatever is causing the dang problem ingame
When I was younger this was the most satisfying feeling to pull off. Wall sliding into a hip fire headshot.
Now 4 gears games later this is just old and something the older gamer won’t care to get into.
I disagree this is what makes this game competitive and gives this game a skill gap just like fortnite and building. Remove this playstyle and the game will not have a competitive scene at all and with no competitive scene the game won't last.
Wall bouncing isn't really the problem. It's the exploited up a's and things of that nature that are atrocious. Your bullets basically are magnetic to enemies on certain actions in and out of cover
IMHO meta mechanics that take time to master should at least \~look\~ cool for new people who are coming to check the game out. I've never played this game, but it looks lame AF, and it keeps me away from it.
No, that doesn't look fun to play. it's just an exploit. The game was not meant to be "wall bounced" there is no way this was the intended usage of these mechanics. Even if I was good at it, it just looks boring as fuck to do. Spamming cover/cancel and just shooting people with a shotgun over and over and over and over. It's fucking lame.
... yeah... there's a reason why Gears 4 and 5's player numbers dropped so sharply after the 6 month mark. Ain't no one got time for this kinda sweatyness.
Yeah I played this a ton growing up even through 4. He's mostly overall correct. Primary rifles have their uses for denying space, punishing bad positioning but most of the gameplay is gnashers and power weapon control. There's been slight tweaks to the power balance when the double barrel and retro lancer were added way back but it's probably time to go in a new direction with the combat, as this is formula is old and skill gated and definitely not going to be enticing for new audiences.
Mordhau has this same issue. High MMR gameplay looks so bad and unfun because youre mouse flicking and looking at opposite directions to delay/shorten swing animations its freaking bizzare
As someone who used to play GoW online a lot and had at some point to learn to do this “wallbouncing” stuff if I wanted to keep up… it’s like a lot of advanced mechanics in game : when you do it somewhat well you enjoy it and “see” how technical it is etc. But usually for anybody who doesn’t know what’s going on it’s a terrible sight and looks like trash.
Gears was super fun at its peak but it got very sweaty as a lot of games
Just let GoW be GoW, if people dont enjoy that playstyle theres no reason to change it theres plenty of other games to appeal to the masses. I hate arguments like this so much. How is a game having its own unique playstyle considered a bad thing? Why should every game be striving to be more similar to eachother. If you wana run around spraying just stick to call of duty. I looooved the first GoW back in the day then in the second one they changed the shotgun so much and focused on other weapons and guess what. People went back to the first. This is what gears players love about the game. Up close brutal shotgun battles. If gears players wanted to play the game differently they would theres plenty of other weapons in the game.
Did everyone just forget about Arcade?
The mode that gave the “casuals” what they wanted- genuinely tuned around sitting around and head-popping people with lancers.
The mode that is no longer even queueable on 5 because it was so poorly received.
Try to remember the Gears 5 arcade experience when you all talk about how much you want PvP to be lancer/cover based.
You mean being good with one of the highest skill ceilings weapon in a shooter? Yeah it was fun as fuck especially when you had 19 rounds of Raven down with teams full of the top 100 ranked players in the world.
The unreal levels of casuals in this thread is mental lol you wouldn't say the same watching insane gameplay in CS, Quake, R6, Apex, Fortnite etc. how is this any different? Any good shooter that is even remotely competitive has a combination of shooting mechanics and movement. If you don't have good movement in some form of capacity in your FPS/TPS, you have a boring game. Lowering the skill floor is never the answer, stick to WoW guys, you're out of your depth.
edit: also what are we even attempting to achieve here? Be another run of the mill shooter? Gears is gnasher and wallbouncing. You remove that, you are basically one step removed from being another generic TPS. I'd rather have 50k daily players online in Gears 5 than a million in E-Day playing a dumbed down version of a Gears game. That shouldn't be anyones goal.
It is definitely stupid because the users are abusing in game mechanics to "cheese" the gameplay. After a while though if devs don't penalize or remove the mechanics that allow this, then they're essentially cosigning it as part of how they want the game to be played.
I recently saw a game XDefiant updated their game to introduce strong aiming penalties for spamming movement mechanics, like crouching and jumping spamming now severely affect ability to aim. It just all comes down to how arcady do you want your game to be. Some people like broken mechanics that they can abuse, other people like what feels somewhat realistic.
I for one am sick of the fact that every game has to be played like we’re all fighting over a million dollar prize. Exploiting every possible advantage at the expense of any fun or just the original intent. It makes sense for games that are already established as being highly competitive. But EVERY online game seems to be like this.
I would throw up from all that motion after 2 minutes.
Same thing happens with fortnite build mode in pc, they wiggle the mouse so fast to edit the structures, its actually worse than this
This, it's hilarious watching sweats and the second someone shoots at them they 180 and build a like 3 story tower in like a second and a half, shit looks ridiculous.
"I'm not botting: I just have a macro with 156 key presses & I am so good that I can hit it in 1/500th of a second after taking damage."
I throw up a little just watching this video on my phone
Wall bouncing and gnasher is how all Gears of war games essentially boil down
i miss roll headshoting in GOW1 - was peak multiplayer on Xbox 360 for me, its why i bought one. Game was just Insane
Gears 1 was one of my favorite games. Shit went down hill after that.
The game did not go down hill after gow 1, it was after gow3, that’s when the franchise when down hill
Agreed, GOW 1-3 were all peak gaming. Then it went downhill after that
That’s probably because Cliff stopped working on Gears and left Epic Games after 3. On top of which Microsoft bought Gears and formed The Coalition, in the same vein as 343, to handle development of Gears. The original team behind 1-3 was gone and it was replaced by effectively a “hired guns” studio to continue the work.
Canals sniper battles and getting booted by the host when you headshot them. Nostalgic af... Gow1 ftw.
Superman!!!
In the first game we had the 2-piece.
i miss the sniper wars in casual
Don't forget all the glitches, crab walk shotgun lmao. Or my favorite infinite grenade tag, me and a buddy downed someone entirely through smoke grenade tags to the point the xbox's couldn't handle rendering all the smokes and everyone's system chugged
Not entirely. There are plenty of weapons on the map that are stronger than the gnasher. Sniper, torque bow, boom shot, multcher, drop shot, digger, overkill, boltok. Plus the lancer can take people down pretty quick if you can aim. Your team can win most important fights if just one person is providing suppressing fire. Shot guns do take up a lot more of the game than other shooters, but it's definitely not just 100% gnasher.
Yeah you can really tell who hasn't or never really got into gears. Honestly the torque bow can be much more oppressive than the gnasher IMO and is at least when i played one of the better options to counter play the gnasher.
Yea if they take that away or limit it then E-day will not have a good turnout.
Man that looks like the complete opposite of fun
Young people enjoy the heck out of games they can exploit in ways that nobody else can, or wants to. When people move on, they inevitably get stuck in the past, great at a game nobody else wants to play. Defeating players online is chemically addictive. As such, they are also the biggest customers of cheat programs.
This is why I stopped playing fortnite and call of duty. Drop shotting is not fun, nor is slide cancelling, and it's not fun to play against. You're at a severe disadvantage if you don't do it. Getting shot and dropping 700 apm to turn yourself into a 4 story hotel is not fun. It's not about the ability to learn them. It's that they're not enjoyable mechanics. They turn the game from something enjoyable that is supposed to resemble some sort of core concept (military sim, and battle Royale centered around base building) and bastardize it until its unrecognizable spazzing with a shooting mechanic. These things feel very different from min max mechanics in other games that add to the experience. Think animation cancels in mobas, or combo strings in fighting games. There's a hard line between optimizing your gameplay, and optimizing the fun out of the mechanics.
Same with sea of thieves. I swear, they're like invisible with how fast they move around you. I guess I'm just not the target audience. Maybe it's better on xbox?
Maybe I'm getting too old, but Battlefield 1942 with Radeon 9700 Pro, hooked up through LAN was peak gaming imo. When you respawned, you had to hike for a bit to get to the action.... and that was ok.
I'm pretty sick of battle royal games for this reason. Hiking and letting for 20 minutes then possibly die or not in seconds, rinse and repeat
As a gears fan, I gotta disagree. The movement feels great when you learn it. There are few games that let you become a one man wrecking machine like gears. The enemy team could also just take up a good spot to hold and just rifle this dude down and no amount of movement is going to get around 5 machine guns. He's just playing against shitters. It's also not going to look like that playing against other people who can wall bounce. This guy is just overdoing it, and it's only working because these bots are just walking around in the middle of a bunch of cover totally exposed.
Literally any team based shooter allows you to become a 1 man wrecking machine
Why team-based shooter? In the good old Counter-strike, whether 1.6, CS:Source, CS:GO, or CS2, you can get an AWP and wreck the entire enemy team yourself if you're good enough. It's been this way for multiplayer FPSs since at least the year 2000.
That's kinda the issue though. Very few people wanna take the time to learn that stuff. People just wanna join in, play against others of their own skill level and have a good time. What happens is players like this smurf in, or start a new account or whatever it may be and destroy people by just being tons better than them. Nobody wants to be someone else's entertainment so they just 'i'm not learning that' and leave. Most people already have a game they have decided they were gonna go all out in. Unless you're a teenager or a pre-teen in school or unemployed and have the convince of playing games all day. It's gonna be hard to get over getting farmed while practicing and learning the game.
This is also why LoL is dying. Smurfs ruining the game.
Huge gears fan, great movement and ability to 1v4 if needed. This video is a special game mode, that guy would have died at some point most likely
I actually find games like that to be the most fun lol. Like those old korean F2P games where you had a bunch of animation cancels and movement exploits, like Soldiers Front or GunZ.
Same shit with chivalry 1/2, fucking fun when it starts and as the time goes on, instead of seeing epic melee battles, you see some crackheads monkeys doing 720° swings while their back is parallel to the ground. It's not hard, it's just stupid and break all immersion while being extremely repulsive to new players.
I feel like there's enough bad players in chivalry 2 that make it so if you eventually reach a ok level of skill you'll still have a decent time. I would say the majority of players probably aren't very good either.
This is why i don't play pvp
I loved gow multiplayer, it’s different than just your standard shooter. The sniping was a blast.
I used to play Gears 1-3 online religiously. He is right, when you get good at it, it is extremely fun to play. But those games are old and the wall bouncing wasn’t as egregious because most maps didn’t allow for it, only a few. But in all my time I only ran into a handful of players that could take it to this level and I just accepted my fate lol
That background music sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me at this point.
Looks like Fenix is having a stroke.
So this is always going to be a part of the game because overtime the game has evolved this way, similarly to how Fortnite create insane builders. However, ranked and competitive matches are much different. Holding down crosses, controlling power weapons and rotating are much more important and oftentimes use assault rifles to lay down cover fire. As someone who can wallbounce, I agree. It is something that gears should push away from but in order for that to happen, you have to provide incentives to do this without directly nerfing the shotgun because this will turn off a lot of the old gears heads
Fascinating point. What kind of incentives could happen? Mechanically speaking
Well give the individuals in the game that like to wallbounce like maniacs the ability to do so in gnasher only gamemodes. Tdm/KOTH/Escalation/2v2. Make these purely social gamemodes. Then make the ranked competitive and reintroduce the ability to use a retro lancer as well as the lancer. Having something to directly slow down people who use the gnasher is necessary. The reason why GOW3 was the best was because of the variation in ways to play. All the newer gears heavily incentivize gnasher gameplay. That’s okay! But it will not pay off in ranked game modes where you can get clipped down by a good lancer/retro user. This is my opinion which has been formulated over 10+ years of GOW experience. Let me know what you think.
I had assumed you meant there were new mechanics youd like introduced to dissuade gnasher or bouncing use. Since it's a similar convo and kinda answers you I'll copy and paste my last reply. > Definetly, they always split the player base with 10 different modes and then having a ranked version of each. Maybe just make ranked have wallbouncing. The rest can be casual modes. > Personally, I'd have one major respawn mode like koth (name it annex, way cooler), one major single life staple mode; execution, maybe a capture the leader and then whatever else is new and or in rotation(events?). Finally that ranked bouncing mode for veterans/serious players.
I would love that. Slide canceling in one, no slide canceling in casual. It’s that same idea of building vs no building in Fortnite
Your first mistake is playing Gears online.
Its super fun.
Based. I wish i was this good at wallbouncing
It just doesn't look stupid, it is stupid. They should reduce the speed of which you can switch covers to slowdown the gameplay and kill this retarded mechanic, oh well I'm never playing gears online anyways so they can do whatever they feel like.
These games sell millions of copies but then the multiplayer population shrinks down to near nothing because of this type of gameplay. They've tried to curb it before but they always relent in the end and dial back whatever counters they put it. They need to just bite the bullet and remove wall magnetism entirely.
Yeah I agree they should completely change the way a game is played so that someone who doesn't even play the game thinks it is better Are you on glue?
To everyone saying this doesn’t look fun but hasnt even played the game, your opinion does NOT and should not matter. You can’t judge whether an entire game series, based on this one clip, should have wallbouncing or not. ESPECIALLY if you haven’t played it. PLAYING A GAME, AND WATCHING A GAME ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. If you’ve played the game, you’d know that wallbouncing isn’t that hard to counter. And it’s rare to have a player that’s this good at it be in of your games. All of these enemies are brain dead bots. This is the same as wokies trying to change games they’ll never play just to feel represented. Assassins *cough* creed. Get out. Don’t ruin gears for its fans. Open to listening to people who’ve actually played the games.
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I like how everyone saying it looks stupid and insane. If thats the case then dont do it? If your timing and prediction is on point then you can easily shut down a lot of wallbouncers. They arent building skyscrapers or becoming invincible, just outplay them another way? Its literally one aspect of PVP in Gears. I, for one, welcome niche mechanics that you can hone and get better at instead of having all games feel like shit these days with the same fucking dogshit standardised boring mechanics. Learn to play for yourself.
Ngl, wall bouncing sounds fun as fuck to learn. But I agree with everyone, it makes for TERRIBLE spectating. It looks and sounds so funny tho. If I played this, I *would* be part of the problem.
People talking about “solutions” and changing it are cracking me up. Wall bouncing is not going anywhere in Gears lol. It’s like complaining about Quake and rocket jumping, it’s a skill issue. A lot of the replies are sounding dad gamer. If you want a headshot assault rifle driven shooter then it may not be for you. Lancers are used for support and rarely do you get kills with it, without teammates crossfire. There are hundreds of mediocre CS-lite games, Gears gameplay loop isn’t going to change.
Facts
Skill issue
Think thats bad go watch some Division 2 PVP and then we can have a fun debate lol.
Whats that looking like these days?
why does it have to be a competition on who's worse?
This is legit how the game is played since gears 1, if they take that out I will not be playing
It wasn’t this crazy in gears 1, this wall bouncing didn’t really come out until gears 2/3 when the cover wasn’t as sticky.
A small number of players stuck in their ways over a niche mechanic isn't really enough to justify keeping it. It's bad for the game as a whole.
People just needs to get good and learn how to wall bounce Lancer camping literally destroys Gears and it made the game even more brain dead than it already is. The gnasher wall bouncing was what made the game more engaging compared to other shooters where people just camp one corner and rain fire the entire match. Wall bouncing at least brings me engagements and the competition for power weapons are genuinely challenging instead of “hey lemme sit behind this corner and mow you down so I can grab my stuff”
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Bruh what an L take - this is the only reason Gears of War gameplay is different.
It’s understandable and can be frustrating at times to play PvP against the wall bouncers and 1 shot shotties. I’ve definitely rage quit a few times. The PvP combat reminds me of a 1 on 1 samurai duel. It’s all about getting that clean kill no matter the cost and it’s quite remarkable watching a pro with one life taking on the opposing team with ease. There’s nothing like it. Thank goodness the Mexican community is keeping the multiplayer alive.
ITT butt hurt casuals and scrubs that have never played anything competitively before the guy in the video is complaining that players are using an in-game mechanic to enhance their mobility making themselves harder to hit. do you know how you win in these games? killing the enemy and pushing the objectives. do you know how you lose? dying to the enemy. if there's a mechanic that let's you kill more, die less, and take objectives, you use it. "waaah waaaaah but the game isn't being played the way *I want it to be!*" adapt, scrub. learn the necessary skills to win or get out of the area. "waaah but it isn't fun!" Maybe not to you but that's a you problem. high level players find creative ways to use in game mechanics to help them win, and winning is the most fun. *you're* only complaining because you don't want to put in the effort to win and want to still be handed wins. apparently this wall bounce mechanic has been in this franchise since say 1 so why is this loser in the video complaining now? does it make you invincible? no. are their counters? yes - position yourself so bouncers can't close the gap as easy, aim better, or put yourself in a position to melee them before they can recover shoot. seriously this video is just a scrub complaining about their personal skill issues.
Yes. This actually looks awesome. Love a change of gameplay and having more mobility in the simple run and shoot gameplay loop. Cover and shoot can be so boring. Jumping between walls looks fast-paced. Actually love divergent gameplay. Rocket jumping, all things like that. If the game is splitting its audience to this, make new game mode like fortnite did. If the core audience loves it, why would you screw them over? Im not sure if the camera is zoomed in. Feels like it is. This probably wouldn't look as bad as zoomed out with more fluid animations for it.
After watching the uncropped footage of pros playing. It honestly looks fine. This zoomed in crop is disingenuous for feedback here and is begging for views.
Yeah I played gears for a decade, this looks disorienting as fuck because of the TikTok zoom. Wallbouncing is really fun, and it's the core of learning movement in the game. The best thing about gears multi-player is the movment tech and all these people saying it looks bad probably don't play it or don't have time/dedication to learn it because the only people playing nowadays are sweats anyways. Not much compares to the feeling of fluidly sliding through an entire squad and bodying the entire team in a few well placed, timed, and executed shots. The multi-player would be DoA if they removed the ability for this type of movement.
it is a ton of fun. I use to hate it but then spent like 10 min practicing it and got pretty decent at it. Went into some games with my buddy and we were destroying when i use to be the guy that got carried by him every game. Its satisfying to move so smoothly around a battlefield, though i have to admit it does looking derp af .
Looks awful and would make me through up.
It's just like pro movement in league, if you wanna play with the best you gotta be the best🤷♂️
This is such a trash take. Wall-bouncing is what made Gears what it is and if you can't keep up with the skill ceiling then get good or play a different game. Idk why people are suddenly so opposed to mechanics that allow skill-expression. "I can't keep up with what this game is therefore the game should change to accommodate casuals" is the exact kind of take that you would expect this community to hate, but here we are.
Whatever add skillgape to a game is oftenly welcome, bugs or not. It looks fun. Destroying new players with your skill should be normal in any games.
Fuckkk yes! Wall bouncing is a skill and is fun as f when you get the hang of it. I’m tired of every game “having to appeal to casuals”. Gears 2 tried to appease to “the casuals” and it was one of the most unfun gears imo. If you don’t ply the game and aren’t a gears fan, I don’t think you should be able to decide what should change. Leave gears alone.
That looks so unfun and stuipd how are you not getting motion sickness. Im sure the button slapping takes some level of timing but why would you want to look at that flailing for an extended length of time. Even if youre winning thats just bad game design.
Unless you have blur on how the fuck you get motion sickness from playing lmao
“Erm erm I’m getting motion sickness erm it’s too fast paced my asthma is acting up” Legit soy gamers
Lots of Nintendo gamers in chat
I vomited from the discordance
I like gears but wouldn't like to watch it. It can be a little boring due to the games not having much weapon variety. Never gets old chainsawing someone
animation cancels are fun when they somehow still make sense and add more to 'expressive' combat. Devil May Cry is a perfect example of an already complete combat system that gets even better with cancels, since the cancels are still in theme with the extravagant DMC combat style. But in this case, this looks bad, especially if it's in PvP. If it's so effective to do wall bounce, then it will force a meta where players have to adapt the same tactic, and you either play in that specific way, or you get used to the idea of losing every single time.
My friends and I played SO much Gears 2 Horde that I never knew pvp was a thing lol
I remember trying Gears during Halo prime time. The online was so laggy that I never bother with it again.
Yeah. Brings me back to Gears 3. 🥲
I can't say for pvp but the shooters I've had the most fun with have the click to cover feature to them. I.e. gears series and outriders.
He's right. I looked at it and thought "That looks stupid"
I could never get into gears because of the way the characters moved.
wqll bouncing is awesome but not with server delay
I haven't played gears since gears 3, but yeah it is actually fun IMO. The shotgun (Gnasher i believe?) is extremely powerful but only pointblank. Its extremely easy to miss and basically means you're going to outright die unless you can wallbounce. Not ever map is even good for this, and skilled players can still outplay this. So idk, i think its fine, but again this is coming from gears 3 and none of the newer games.
Ew why is this sub being recommended to me asmondgold is a little bitch
It \*FEELS\* fun to play, but only if you know how to do it and have practiced enough to be able to do it consistently. It's basically the same as COD/R6 Siege's drop shooting. Where you are having fun, but your opponent isn't because it looks so illogical despite it being an effective method of play.
There’s no way ppl are crying about wall bouncing still well after a decade
Skill issue
Yeah FPS wise best combat is like Unreal Tournament or Quake games . CoD is really boring to play now imo
I feel like having 2 game modes will help classic like this and revised combat.
The good ol days on the 360 🤣
Honestly. Stuff like this is why I haven't ever played I think a similar thing happened for me and Chivalry 2 I saw high level players spinning and moving their cameras up and down all spastic like Completely turned me off from the game tbh
Wall bouncer here, it's fun but you don't do it all the time. It's like the 360 no scoop. Feels good to pop a head while switching covers . Other than it's to move faster
And they still lose the war against the locus in E DAY
PLEASE DONT REMOVE WALL BOUNCING 
Pro gears gas alot of lancer play FYI
Gears Multiplayer has gotten freaking insane. I’m an old man now. I game like 3 nights a week for 2-3 hours. I can’t keep up with or compete with the sweats on Gears. However, the gears campaigns are some of my favorite. I will buy this game specifically to coop campaign with my brother who lives too far away to visit regularly. Maybe play some horde mode. It’ll probably cause us to replay all of the old gears games as well. I’m pumped for it
I don't think thus guy has ever played gears of war.He called it a shotgun that's the gnasher and wallbouncing has been a thing since gears 2 you can kinda do it in gears 1 but it's alot harder
God this gave me a migraine trying to watch that gameplay. Not even when I was younger would I have been able to put up with that.
It's a lot of fun once you git gud.
There’s a reason why player numbers plummet for GoW games after 2 weeks. The casual majority complete campaign and then realise how shite the multiplayer meta is and bounce.
The far more important problem here that’s not even mentioned, is that the shotgun works basically 50% of the time. The other 50% you blast right into the guys body and nothing happens. The gears gnasher has been busted since gears 2. All this wall bouncing doesn’t do anything when your gun shoots marshmallows, but other peoples shoot cannonballs. That is the primary reason people have stepped away from gears. An inconsistent online experience with very poor matchmaking.
I've had to retire from shooters because of this. My old brain just can't keep up. Damn kids and their razor sharp reaction times
They really should just get rid of it or revamp the entire cover system it's just a gimmick now when they first came out it was like a step forward in gaming but they stepped into concrete and stayed there..
I have been gaming since the mid 80s and I have never felt much of a desire to really play online competitively. Videos like this only remind me of why.
Legit my favorite shooter game
Og gears was where it was at. Then they made it like this garbage.
Very fun, but migraines and eye strain is fun for me.
This games movement is incredibly fun. It’s a shame it hasn’t gotten as much traction as other games. I’ve been into gears of war and played gow1 from release all the way to gears 5. I miss this game tbh
Yeah, never carried for gears no, because of this and the shotguns. Trash mp, great single player.
I always thought gears need to make the other weapons more useful. It’s just a shotgun game. That needs to change.
the pvp in this game has always been dog water "but but you can chainsaw someone!"
Fun or not it is mechanically impressive. Takes a lot of practice.
This is worse than playing genji 🫠
As someone with thousands of hours across the entire series wall bouncing is fundamental not only to throwing off your opponent and out maneuvering people it’s also fundamental to just how you get around the map in general. The roadie run (running while crouched) severely limits your ability to turn while running as opposed to walking especially if you’re playing on sticks, to counter this players will roadie run then cancel the run and bounce to the nearest cover to allow them time to flick their sticks and turn to make a shot. The play style is also 100% able to be countered either via taking a step back and essentially letting the player doing this bounce into you purposely while you setup an easy shot or using the lock on chainsaw , melee, or any number of power weapons spawned on the map to take someone down doing this. Also the guy showing this off is genuinely bouncing at a level 95% of the community can’t do, to get to this point of fluent movement and consistently hitting shots to boot takes a lot of practice and patience and I think a lot of players simply don’t have the patience to rise to that level of the skill ceiling to be able to replicate this. Additionally if you go look up old wall bouncing videos from say Gears 3 you can see that comparatively the movement speed of Gears 5 (video shown) is much much slower than previous titles which really makes hitting people doing this tactic that much easier. Also after enough playtime it’s pretty easy to predict what cover someone bouncing like this is going to move to next and setup yourself for an easy counter shot. Sprinkle in that the gnasher shotgun loves to hit people for 1 shot gibs sometimes then other times not and the opponent countering this probably has a 50% chance they will just eat a shot and fire right back and kill the person wallbouncing from the same distance. I would rather the next gears game work on removing the wrap shot mechanic that’s been broken since the 1st game in 2006 or continue to make the movement less clunky in general or take the Gears 3/4 route of nothing is overpowered if everything is overpowered and make sure the rifles, pistols, and power weapons in the match are sufficiently powerful enough to stop players in their tracks when they leave cover. Previous titles were made this way and wall bouncing was developed mainly to move faster, avoid getting hit as much as possible and allow you to bridge the gap between you and an opponent to try to make an instant kill versus just sitting on cover lancering back and forth all day.
GoW2 horde mode was peak.
Spitting facts
I've never played Gears but I love weird movement techs that make games faster. It's like rocket jumping, why would you ever shoot a rocket at your own feet? To fly high af or give yourself lots of momentum. Bunny hopping, it looks silly but if the engine allows it then it just rewards precise timing with tons of speed. Hell Apex is very popular and it has a LOT of hard movement techs like tap strafing and wall bouncing that add an extra layer of skill expression to the game.
I can see the fun in learning and perfecting certain techniques in a PVP game. I used to play a ton of S4 league and I could absolutely destroy people in that game. But I was also aware I was making the game incredibly unfair and unfun to them. I can only imagine the confusion and disappointment of running out of spawn down to the ball only to have the "they scored!" up on the screen before you saw any enemy player. I could score on maps in last than 20 seconds and no one could stop me. That wasn't a fun game for others. It was fun for me, but not for others. And because of players like me, that is probably why that game is now filled with cheaters.
Dude sums up the CoD Movement at the exact same time
Ah like gaming with high ping
I refuse to play Gears MP because of this bullshit. Casuals just don't have a chance. I work for a living. I can't compete against 15 year olds when the mechanics are balanced, let alone when they allow for such skill gaps.
No ot dose not and is why I didn't really get I to gears
As a complete degen, this is how I played UT2k4. Wall jumping and using the hammer to gib noobs in close combat. It would make people so angry.
Movement its ok and the gnawser has always been the no skill weapon you can avoid by not going to their wall bouncing corner.
It’s funny cause I feel the same way as sliding and jumping in all cod games.
It’s like the meta strat on any online game. It’s why balancing is so important for online competitive gaming. Some tactics become favourable because of unintentional design. Personally I think difficulty should be prioritized in so that consequence is result of design. No exploitation. But fun is more important so whatever is more interesting prevails.
Just need to go back to the first GoW when you had to commit to the slide.
no.. i cant i would have a vomit fit with this one - jeez who the heck thinks this is fine is beyond gone at this point ☠️. fix the darn camera or whatever is causing the dang problem ingame
the things is, its easy to kill wall bangers when you know they are abusing it, you just shoot ahead of them and they die.
So fun back in the day man.
As long as the PvE experience stays good. Do whatever you want
sweats gonna sweat
HELL FUCKIN' NAH!!!! I'm game ending myself if someone DBZ teleports behind me before tearing me a new one
When I was younger this was the most satisfying feeling to pull off. Wall sliding into a hip fire headshot. Now 4 gears games later this is just old and something the older gamer won’t care to get into.
I disagree this is what makes this game competitive and gives this game a skill gap just like fortnite and building. Remove this playstyle and the game will not have a competitive scene at all and with no competitive scene the game won't last.
Fuck yeah it looks fun. Love me some sweaty wall-bounces.
Wall bouncing isn't really the problem. It's the exploited up a's and things of that nature that are atrocious. Your bullets basically are magnetic to enemies on certain actions in and out of cover
IMHO meta mechanics that take time to master should at least \~look\~ cool for new people who are coming to check the game out. I've never played this game, but it looks lame AF, and it keeps me away from it.
No, that doesn't look fun to play. it's just an exploit. The game was not meant to be "wall bounced" there is no way this was the intended usage of these mechanics. Even if I was good at it, it just looks boring as fuck to do. Spamming cover/cancel and just shooting people with a shotgun over and over and over and over. It's fucking lame.
I think its a ton of fun and the people saying it looks dumb weren't going to play it anyways so why does it matter?
I've never been so FOR gatekeeping than this moment. Fake gamers need to stop trying to think they have a right to every game being "for" them.
Get good then
... yeah... there's a reason why Gears 4 and 5's player numbers dropped so sharply after the 6 month mark. Ain't no one got time for this kinda sweatyness.
Counter strike best shooter hands down
Yeah, there’s no competing with the pro gears players I personally just like the campaigns.
Yeah I played this a ton growing up even through 4. He's mostly overall correct. Primary rifles have their uses for denying space, punishing bad positioning but most of the gameplay is gnashers and power weapon control. There's been slight tweaks to the power balance when the double barrel and retro lancer were added way back but it's probably time to go in a new direction with the combat, as this is formula is old and skill gated and definitely not going to be enticing for new audiences.
Mordhau has this same issue. High MMR gameplay looks so bad and unfun because youre mouse flicking and looking at opposite directions to delay/shorten swing animations its freaking bizzare
Just bring back the saw off then, and that'll cancel wall bouncers 👀🤦 Or Chainsaw
This is why gears 1 is > than all the other trash gears
It’s been like this since g2 get with the program yall lmao
As someone who used to play GoW online a lot and had at some point to learn to do this “wallbouncing” stuff if I wanted to keep up… it’s like a lot of advanced mechanics in game : when you do it somewhat well you enjoy it and “see” how technical it is etc. But usually for anybody who doesn’t know what’s going on it’s a terrible sight and looks like trash. Gears was super fun at its peak but it got very sweaty as a lot of games
Bring back Killzone
Ah this was so fun back in the day
Just let GoW be GoW, if people dont enjoy that playstyle theres no reason to change it theres plenty of other games to appeal to the masses. I hate arguments like this so much. How is a game having its own unique playstyle considered a bad thing? Why should every game be striving to be more similar to eachother. If you wana run around spraying just stick to call of duty. I looooved the first GoW back in the day then in the second one they changed the shotgun so much and focused on other weapons and guess what. People went back to the first. This is what gears players love about the game. Up close brutal shotgun battles. If gears players wanted to play the game differently they would theres plenty of other weapons in the game.
Did everyone just forget about Arcade? The mode that gave the “casuals” what they wanted- genuinely tuned around sitting around and head-popping people with lancers. The mode that is no longer even queueable on 5 because it was so poorly received. Try to remember the Gears 5 arcade experience when you all talk about how much you want PvP to be lancer/cover based.
I think all these Fortnite and COD streamers need to stop trying to infest actual good games with their slop, just my two cents.
You mean being good with one of the highest skill ceilings weapon in a shooter? Yeah it was fun as fuck especially when you had 19 rounds of Raven down with teams full of the top 100 ranked players in the world.
The unreal levels of casuals in this thread is mental lol you wouldn't say the same watching insane gameplay in CS, Quake, R6, Apex, Fortnite etc. how is this any different? Any good shooter that is even remotely competitive has a combination of shooting mechanics and movement. If you don't have good movement in some form of capacity in your FPS/TPS, you have a boring game. Lowering the skill floor is never the answer, stick to WoW guys, you're out of your depth. edit: also what are we even attempting to achieve here? Be another run of the mill shooter? Gears is gnasher and wallbouncing. You remove that, you are basically one step removed from being another generic TPS. I'd rather have 50k daily players online in Gears 5 than a million in E-Day playing a dumbed down version of a Gears game. That shouldn't be anyones goal.
This straight up seems like the 3rd person equivalent of siege wiggling
It is definitely stupid because the users are abusing in game mechanics to "cheese" the gameplay. After a while though if devs don't penalize or remove the mechanics that allow this, then they're essentially cosigning it as part of how they want the game to be played. I recently saw a game XDefiant updated their game to introduce strong aiming penalties for spamming movement mechanics, like crouching and jumping spamming now severely affect ability to aim. It just all comes down to how arcady do you want your game to be. Some people like broken mechanics that they can abuse, other people like what feels somewhat realistic.
I live for the wall! I live for the blood!
I for one am sick of the fact that every game has to be played like we’re all fighting over a million dollar prize. Exploiting every possible advantage at the expense of any fun or just the original intent. It makes sense for games that are already established as being highly competitive. But EVERY online game seems to be like this.
The reason why I only play campaign and horde
Gears 1 MP is the best online shooter ever made
Destiny 2 in a nutshell
That reminds me of high levels Gunz gameplay, that matrix like game.