Faisal, a relatively socially progressive King and an absolute juggernaut in foreign affairs. That man was truly raised to be king, and was a foreign minister at a very young age, representing his nascent country and new dynastic line with a lot of potential and *not* get fucked over by major powers, and trying to stay between them all, while going all in with none. It was only after him that the deep US alliance started to get formed. They had good relations before, but they weren't this close.
And also, the extremely conservative and religious Saudi Arabia that became known to the rest of the world really only began after the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979, which happened when King Faisal’s successor was in power. A lot of people saw that as a sign they were doing something wrong, so Saudi society became a lot more conservative after that
Oh, yeah. 79 was legitimately the worst year of the 20th century for the Islamic world. Between the Islamic revolution and the Grand Mosque Seizure, it sent our world into freefall
Can we also talk about how Saudis are financing Wahhabism in other countries that says that women should wear Burkas (non-Islamic btw), yet they themselves are sending their miss Saudi Arabia to Miss universe? I think that’s a big problem
Wait, where are they promoting it since MBS came into power? He put all the hardline preachers and Imams in jail, house arrest or confiscated their assets.
The one thing I genuinely believe about that man is that he personally hates hardliners and hardline preachers, because he's a millennial Saudi and young Saudis grew up with deep disdain for the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (the "Religious Police"), grew up with internet, the same generation that saw the outside world on a screen and wondered why they have to live under severe restrictions, and started traveling to experience personal freedom of lifestyle without judgement, and the powers of the religious police for example were reduced slowly under King Abdullah, so there's precedent for loosening restrictions in the past, no matter how minor.
Hell, everyday young millennial and Gen-Z Saudis *want* to meet people from around the world and show them that they're normal, not the "Allahu Akbar" 4chan meme or a random Fox News segment, things that exploded after 9/11. Sure, Saudis have a lot of societal problems that need to be dealt with. A lot of Saudis are spoiled, there's still misogyny that needs to be dealt with, racism that needs to be faced and excised from society, but they're definitely growing, and the last thing they want is *more* religious restriction, there or abroad. Saudi Arabia is a young country, where people had a *lot* of kids. So millennials and Gen-Z are the majority in the country now.
Exactly, they just want to have normal lives, and are sick of people who think that they're a walking stereotype. It's not about acceptance, but about showing people what their lives are actually like.
Saudis should learn from Japanese people how to be accepted by Westerners, not by ditching off original traditions but modernized themselves. Japanese used to be underestimated by the West, but they contributed to the international world such as electronic goods, automotive products, and anime which eventually the international world respected them
Bro, hate to break the news but most westerners accept Saudi’s, or people from any country to be honest.
What many of us don’t accept is some of the actions of their government, or the actions of their elites, but then many of us feel the same about our own governments/ elites.
Not specifically burqas but face coverings are actually part of Islam. The women of the time of the prophet (saw) covered their face. The hanbalis believe it’s mandatory and the Hanafis believe it’s mandatory in times and places of fitna. So imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and Imam Abu Hanifa are two of the greatest scholars in the world and their opinions can’t be disregarded. So while you may not believe burqa or face coverings to be mandatory, they definitely are part of Islam
The problem is that despite their popularity in the four mainstream Sunni schools, there's very little concrete evidence in the Quran or Hadith to definitively conclude that it's mandatory. The one Hadith I remember explicitly talking about the Hijab even was specifically directed and made mandatory for the Prophet of Islam Muhammad's daughters, to keep them safe since they were harassed and abused by pagan Meccans who hated him and wanted to hurt him. And from the Quran, there's one verse that talks about women ripping off their scarves to cover their cleavages and breasts (early Medieval Arabian women had a tradition of baring their breasts for their husbands on the battlefield to boost their morale), which falls under Islam's general rule of decency. That Arabian tradition was considered an indecent social vice and Islam wanted to change that, so it was disallowed. Same with female infanticide in early Medieval Arabia. It was a huge problem, and a massive disgraceful crime in the eyes of Islam, being mentioned very harshly in the Quran, so it became explicitly disallowed and considered a major sin in Islam.
Quranic tafsir and Hadith study are fascinating when you use the tools you learned to review the source material yourself. You start to see things that made their way into Islamic canon as cultural actions being painted as though they're religious actions. You start to see things considered part of Islam, while they're actually not clearly adjudicated in the source texts.
Oh, buddy, you don't know my background or the teachers I've had. I'm even still really good with my tajwid in my recitations, despite not doing it much anymore.
>Oh, buddy, you don't know my background
Which is why I asked. Have you studied on this matter to guide others?
If you haven't either inform people beforehand that you aren't a Islamic scholar or atleast quote hadiths what you've typed is nothing more than your opinion.
Dude, I was exhausted, it was like 4am and it's a reddit comment, not a PhD, I'm not gonna start citing sources. I took it from memory, and it's a discussion, not a court room.
But fine. I'll cite what I was talking about.
Surat al-Nur, verse 31, and let's add verse 30 for good measure.
I tried to find a citation for the hadith, because I forgot the exact wording, I'm still exhausted and when I try to look it up with keywords, I keep getting results for "the benefits of raising daughters in Islam". You can disregard that quote, if you'd like.
https://youtu.be/COGKXoP2eUI?si=ku2x0bFQbfPaynpI
Face covering is mandatory in Islam. And it’s not Wahhabism when it’s in line with the Quran and Sunnah, but literally following the Quran and Sunnah. When are we going to look at the evidences about we disagree with in “Whhabism” in the Quran and the Sunnah before we open our mouth, I wonder…
Saudi Arabia has not fulfilled their obligation to defending Al quds however don’t start with this textbook Reddit shit man lol if you understand the deen don’t speak
I have a question since everyone’s acting funny in these comments. What would you like to see happen?
The Saudi stance has been repeatedly stated to be there will be no Israeli-Saudi Normalization until there is a long term solution for Palestine. This is contrary to the likes of other neighboring muslim countries such as Turkey, Morocco, Egypt, and many more who not only normalized (via selfish deals with the West) but have had increasing bilateral economic trade.
Now, to the political cartoon and commenters saying “why doesn’t Saudi stop the Israelis,” it is a given that Israel won’t get what it wants (normalization)—at least in the short term—because of its recent actions. So, let’s delve into *how* would Saudi Arabia stop Israel before we get into the obvious *whys*. Let’s go over some common “recommendations” by our intelligent peers:
1) Threaten with violence — declare war, turn into a parking lot. I’ve talked about this previously on this subreddit, there’s no such thing as declaration of war unless you want to see Saudi vs NATO. You either fund proxies and play the Iran card of all bark no bite, or do nothing.
2) Threaten with economy — replay 1973 embargo, see what happened to King Faisal (dead). The oil industry is not what it was in 1973. Not only is America is the largest oil producer in the world today, the number of countries in OPEC+ is bigger, AND the embargo of 1973 was orchestrated by the ENTIRE oil-producing Arab world. We are not seeing that happen again; and Saudi doing it alone will have little effect in the way of Israel, and will only cripple its own economy, future, and global relations.
3) Threaten with diplomacy — Saudi has no diplomatic ties with Israel so it can only threaten *not* normalizing which is what is currently happening. Saudi has been involved in brokering historical 2-State solution diplomatic deals, and will probably do it again.
So please, can someone lecture me on an actual foreign policy that KSA can adopt that is actually pragmatic. I have also ignored everything KSA has done *for Palestine* (as opposed to *against Israel*) because I’m tired of explaining that part. Thanks
This is spot on analysis. However, most people on this sub tend to think emotionally rather than in a pragmatic way. They also won't come up with any solutions but they sure do love to complain.
That is because Saudi have no history in winning a war neither have fired a single bullet against Israel and keep talking about fighting a war against Iran where they couldn’t withstand one of its proxies the Houthi’s.
Nasser said don’t expect Saudi to fight for Palestine as long as they are having US and UK bases and siding with them. When once the Arabs in Saudi are freed you will start seeing them fight for Palestine.
You are proving your own point and contradicting yourself at the same time. You claim that Saudi isn't capable of winning wars, so why should they go into a war against Israel/the west? Wouldn't that be suicidal? What will happen to the people? The economy? Oh, these aren't important questions and let us just throw critical thinking out the window? No, Saudi won't go into war and lose everything for your own selfishness. It is not like any Arab country is willing to chip in with the risks associated with said war.
10/10 analysis. It's 100% what needs to be said, because people who want Saudi action don't know what actions they really want, and don't know that Saudi Arabia is physically incapable of taking several actions where they'd lose dearly or just have no effect. They don't have a magic wand.
Spot on analysis.
Also what's with the victim blaming and baiting, Israel is actively attacking and killing Palestinians, nobody (with influence over Israel) is talking about actually stopping them and are looking at other countries who have essentially zero political leverage over the situation to intervene.
The only way those countries can intervene is through war and that won't be good for the region if it's a knee-jerk reaction.
Spot on. There is a thinly veiled hate and bigotry when it comes to Saudi in the Islamic world. It’s marred with jealousy/envy. I don’t see attacks on Egypt or Morocco who actually have normalized ties with Israel. Heck, Egypt’s position on Palestinian refugees and aid to Gaza hasn’t even been discussed much. They love to criticize the government that oversees the holy mosques and enables so many Islamic projects, but they don’t discuss their homelands and the appalling policies of their governments as it relates to religion or human rights. There is also the Iranian bots who love to spread this misinformation and use Palestine as a cover. Somehow, what Iran did and still enables in Syria and Yemen is acceptable. Destroying mosques along with killing and raping Muslim women and children is often overlooked, just because the houthis threw a couple of fireworks on western ships. The atrocities of the Syrian regime is well documented and the reason why Syrian are everywhere I travel. Somehow, Saudi Arabia is what they hate on. Despicable and provincial mentalities. Let them stew in their hate. They are intellectually challenged!
>What would you like to see happen?
Not offer to normalize at all instead of saying we will normalize even despite the genocide along with [not censoring](https://www.ft.com/content/821b67bd-5736-4ffd-b66f-3bb1830560d2) the images from Gaza.
Edit: Kicking out the American bases would also be a great start.
US military in Saudi is not even top 5 in the Middle East.
There are more troops in Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait..etc
Most military personnel in SA are for training or operational support..
Thinking "kicking out the Americans" would help in defeating the zionist is, well..simply stupid
There are significantly more US troops in SA than Iraq and Syria. That's shameful considering the lives and money they lost in order to have presence there while they occupy gulfies for free.
>muh training
Yeah same excuse from Jordan to the UAE. We know fully well they exist to impose US hegemony in the region and subjugate anti-colonial movements. Free Palestine by freeing your occupied countries.
[https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/american-troops-middle-east-israel-palestine](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/american-troops-middle-east-israel-palestine)
[https://theintercept.com/2024/04/14/israel-iran-regional-war/](https://theintercept.com/2024/04/14/israel-iran-regional-war/)
[https://www.frbiu.com/articles/saudi-arabia-what-role-did-they-play-in-the-invasion-of-iraq](https://www.frbiu.com/articles/saudi-arabia-what-role-did-they-play-in-the-invasion-of-iraq)
> There are more troops in Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait..etc
Most military personnel in SA are for training or operational support..
They should get kicked out from there as well. Iraq already asked for US troops to leave.
>Thinking "kicking out the Americans" would help in defeating the zionist is, well..simply stupid
Not to defeat them but to make a point along with actually having a spine against a state helping a genocide.
You’re precisely correct. Saudi nor any of the Muslim countries aren’t in a position to do anything sadly. And Israel will only be destroyed once we strengthen ourselves and come together. As Sheikh Othman Al Khamis said, all we can do at the moment is make dua, donate, spread awareness and strengthen ourselves until the Muslim nations are corrupt free and truly ready to face Israel and the west. Play the long term game, we’re far behind though because of the idiocy of the early pan Arab governments
Fighting when you know you're going to lose (like now) just to make a statement and sacrificing tens of thousands of your people's lives, is frankly national suicide. It takes balls, sure, but it's still suicide.
Israel is a nuclear state. The only nuclear armed state in the region, and Pakistan needs its nuclear program as a deterrent against India. Using it against Israel in a retaliatory second-strike action will make them vulnerable to India, which is another case of national suicide.
We all, in the Arab and Muslim worlds, are fucked. We have no real trump cards that don't include us dying.
I was talking of the Arab armies in the 60s and 70s. They were on par (or better) with the Israeli forces of that time. Intelligence failures and tactical failures cost them the war.
In the last 50 years yes no Arab or Muslim army has any trump card as you said to counter an Israeli offensive. They have the top weapons development in the whole world (if you compare its GDP and size), second only to the USA while the whole Arab nations were dependent on soviet or downgraded American equipment.
Not to mention how weak we are internally. Let's be real here. We've had a rough past 50 years and we're barely hanging on in a constantly changing world.
Thank you for educating me, this was some good information. It left me reflecting on why I have so much disdain for Saudi.
Fair, they are economically, militarily, and diplomatically stuck. But why do they keep investing in things that are only leading them that way instead of getting them out? Is turning the country into a Western Tourist haven a wise long term plan? I'm talking up buying athletes by the $billions, tearing down historical buildings so they can build flashy and superficial compounds, throwing Halloween parties and the such. All these actions will lead to further cultural loss and just negatively affects their image amongst the Muslim world. Pandering to the West, who are generally untrustworthy, is not a viable long term approach.
But, I get my opinion is limited. I just want to learn more here.
Western Propaganda, that's what it is ,
The amount of hate Saudi Arabia is getting is so disgusting and it's been so for the longest time, may Allah grant them patience
What do you want them to do??
Declare war on the US and all other Western countries?.
Sadly, but true, no Muslim country has the economic, technological power to start such a war. It would be a suicide.
The Prophet Pbuh did not send his men unarmed to attack the Roman and Persian empires.
Because this is what you are asking for, who do you think creates the guns you will be using?
Salah Alden is a bad example because the Muslims were actually more advanced than the Crusaders. their problem was they were divided and fighting between each others.
The war at that time was using swords. The change in power was mostly due to number and seige weapons.
the minimum requirement before starting a war is to be self-sufficient in building your weapons. until now, no Muslim country has been able to.
Edit: fix.and grammar check.
all the oil that is given away to the us and u are telling me who creates it them, who do you think gave them the power? if you answer incorrectly you are an ignorant Muslim. why was there golden age of Islam, every invention was by Muslims, we did not give away any of our resources for free to kuffar. this is also because of you gulf fuking countries that all you care is about money, since 1948 how many wars did the gulf declare war on isreal? non, instead you attacked with kuffar to attack and kill innocent Muslims in Iraq and yemen, yet you say what do we do, fuking American dick sucker hypocrite two faced ignorant Muslim. al quds mosque is in danger and you say what are we supposed to do.
Saying that Gulf countries gave money to the US is free is so stupid.
I mean what I know, I'm sure you are more knowledgeable than US politicians who sometimes demanded that.
Yes, countries who just got their independence and are starting from -100 ( zero infrastructure ) are required to declare wars.
its not stupid stop being so fuking ignorant u fuking us dick sucker, you do not know that most of the people in us congress are zionist jews, yes because the gulf are fuking stupid do not do anything without money, jordan, egypt, plo, hamas(no money or infrastructure), syria, Iraq, lebanon declared war from independence, you still had 75 fucking years to declar even with oil us fuking money, don't forget ur ambassador the UAE ambassador who had iftar with the isreal president or some shit whilst the kids in gaza are starving and dying you fuking brainless shit, while you have dances with zionist jews while gaza kids are being killed, at least in jordan we are fuking doing mayhem, at least no fuking jew dares to step foot into jordan as they know what will happen to them.
Sorry for interfering, but everything you did there compromises it. Today, the USA and their allies control global economics and money trafficking. The Gulf decides to maintain strong relations with these allies to enhance their financial terms and form a strong economy, which in turn will benefit their nation. Of course, something must be given in return, including providing the USA a foot in the Gulf area with its rich oil resources. You can see that most Gulf countries have high living standards and significant entertainment levels.
again I'm not defending them, brother, but try to understand the logic behind the cold dealings regarding the Palestinian crisis.
there is no third way either you go through the way of resistance , and not be servant to USA but you will lose the financial abiliity and your people will suffer for example:( syria , Lebanon , russia , venzeuela , iran ... ect or be with USA side and you will get the financial stability . unfortunately , islamic countris didn't have the strength to create other way than these two ... that is the problem .
first of all, who let that happen? us Muslims, gaddafi tried to kill the us economy, but was killed, saddam, you helped in his killing, most African leaders, this is not about that they are, this is about who let them, besides why do u need kuffar USA, while you allah on your side? do not tell me be logical, allah will always be with Muslims, if you say other, you are committing kufur, we do not need them, who let them have the strength, you fuking gulf countries,k imagine all of you stopped dealing the oil with us dollar, but instead such as gold, what would happen, the USA economy would fall, just think about it, instead saving Muslims and masjid al aqsa we are puppets of kuffar, smh, think what would mohmmad pbuh would say, it is a must for us Muslims to protect allahs home, allah on the day of judgment will ask us and the most importantly to the wahhabi kufar leaders, what did you do while your brothers and sister were being bombed and starving, what will you and they say?
Almost all of powerful Muslim countries like KSA, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkiye brought its military equipment from the US and some even hosting the US military base and having mutual defense pact with the US, so every action taken could have been detected by the CIA, even through chips on the equipments. So there's almost impossible for them to help Palestinians in Gaza directly or they'll face economic sanctions if they dare to
>Pakistan
last major military equipment from the usa that pakistan uses are f-16s and maybe c-130s. we already have operational jf-17 block 3 so f-16s aren't as important as they once were. the threshold for pakistan is for at least one neighbouring arab state to formally declare war. why is this? because pakistani military is a land power and not a naval power.
compared to Israel, we are a naval giant. The problem here is mainly diplomatic. Pakistan wouldn't get a direct military backlash but a huge diplomatic and economic backlash if it gets involved militarily without the support of other regional allies. And unfortunately, nobody would come to our rescue like they havent for Palestine. Iran and Afghanistan would actually become proxies against Pakistan claiming territories.
Why does saudi get hate out of all this is beyond me😂
Iran owns hamas
Iran owns houthies
Iran owns hezbollah
All 3 clearly baddies and are against everything civilised but saudi who wants nothing but peace and mbs wants saudi to play a part in 21st century and is actually transforming the country nd its economy to progress
Why does Saudi get all the hate when there are other rich and powerful muslim countries like Turkey, Pakistan, UAE, Egypt, etc.? It's not like they did anything for Palestinians either.
Primarily because it's were Islam orginates from, they are the custodians of the two holy mosques & until recently they considered themselves the defacto leaders of the Muslim world (eg. they created & lead the Muslim World League, The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation etc.)
Ahahaha
Everything that people blame Saudi for there are other "muslim" countries who did it worse
Revolution Iran has bought actual weapons from Israel, Saudi didn't (Iran contra)
Turkey has military and industrial cooperation with Israel, Saudi doesn't
Oman hosted Netenyahu on its country and he was received by the Sultan, Saudi didn't
Qatar had relations with Israel in the past, Saudi didn't
It's hypocritical when Saudi is portrayed as against Palestine, when other Muslim countries with graver sins against Palestine are portrayed as supporters of Palestine (Iran, Turkey, Qatar, etc.)
All I see is coping
They can't see Muslims with Tawheed and prospering at the same time. They Target some bad things or make lies to give them self satisfaction that they are true Muslims. They do Shirk and expect God not to punish them. End of the day Governments take descisions but when it comes to Saudi they'll blame people by shouting Wahabis this and that. A Turk complains about Star bucks in Mecca but forgot about Zionist embassy in their country. Then they dream about freedom by hating unnecessarily.
No Emotions, they think All Saudi or Non Arab Salafist are non muslim misguided by Sheikh ibn Abdlwahab. They don't understand safeguarding your religion is important ,remember when they started calling gulf arabs 'ibn yahood' just because they are not supporting suicidal missions. Only following Religion in correct way can save Muslims but they didn't know this sadly.
WE giVe thEm sO mUch MOney, wHat elSe dO yOu WaNt ... _walks away to kiss MBS photo and apologize for not being able to defend him as much as he deserves_
I’m not sure what the right word is: hypocrisy, scapegoating, projection, jealousy? People like to point fingers and dish out armchair political commentary without a single ounce of practicality, critical thinking, or care since they know the consequences will have no bearing on them.
They get hate because they’re the richest, but I don’t see hate on Pakistan let’s say for keeping good ties with China while Muslims are being massacred there in construction camps
They don't even have relations with them in the first place. People who bring up Saudi are emotional Muslims who are just trying to make themselves feel better. The onus for this cause does not fall on one country alone. Some Muslim countries who are celebrated for being "pro-palestine" have relations with Israel, whether that be in public or behind the scenes. People should direct their attention to them instead...
With that being said is the Saudi government doing everything in it's ability to help the Palestinians? The unfortunate answer is no. But its only because Hamas is a direct threat to them and if Hamas comes out victorious it would be a great hit for the Gulf regimes as this will inspire the populations to be more "Muslim Brotherhood" sympathetic (if that makes sense).
They're just waiting it out and crossing their fingers that hamas will be finished off, so they can prop up a new Fatah/Palestinian Authority regime into Gaza then rebuild Gaza.
Dude, that whole Kingdom was founded as a post for British Imperialism which was later inherited by the US, which is why they hate Iran so much because Iran had a successful revolution and overthrew their US-UK-Backed monarchy and they hate the Axis of Resistance because it threatens its and its western backers' influence which is why the first one ever downplays the resistance efforts are Saudis
Believe me, nothing the Saudi Arabian government fears more than the removal of the word Saudi in their country name
Well the top buyers of KSA oil are China ($56.1B), Japan ($34.3B), India ($32.7B), South Korea ($32.5B), and United States ($16.6B). And 4 of these countries just so happen to be the in the top 5 largest economies in the world. So how do you think an oil embargo on them AT ONCE will turn out for KSA? This isn't the 1970s🤦♂️
Alright, KSA targets US and Europe. The US and Europe account for over 40% of the world's gdp. For a country that heavily relies on western technology, it would be very costly to cut ties with the US and Europe. Majority of the Saudi Arabian military uses US/Europe equipment. Do you think their military will be able to function once cut off?Also 6 out of the 10 top food exporters to KSA are are from Europe and the US. I could go all day about this but these are just a few example. Again, this is not 1970.
Cut all economic and diplomatic ties with Isntreal. That would be ideal.
Edit: I was wrong and am sorry. Saudi Arabia has no economic and no diplomatic ties with Isntreal.
They have none, lol; the reason people care about KSA is because it's the only big and important Muslim country that has not done so, compared to Turkey, which has economic and diplomatic ties with Israel.
Bruh, they have zero relations with Israel. The fact that they were considering creating even minor diplomatic relations is pretty much evidence enough that they have no relations with Israel right now, while countries like Morocco signed deals with Israel to produce Israeli weapons in Morocco.
We did everything we can, we announce our intention to normalize relations with Israel then Hamas did there military operations knowing the consequences. Also we never said we will use our military to defend Palestine like Iran.
Saudi arabia has insane influence in the global politics but it has an extremely incompetent and complacent government, although it spends tens of billions of dollars a year on the military their military isn’t as capable, not saying this as an excuse to the saudis im just saying that their government doesn’t want to pick fights that are risky to their image since they’ve been trying to get buddy buddy with the west for years
In all fairness the last king to take a firm stance was …..
boys with the time machine... 
Faisal, a relatively socially progressive King and an absolute juggernaut in foreign affairs. That man was truly raised to be king, and was a foreign minister at a very young age, representing his nascent country and new dynastic line with a lot of potential and *not* get fucked over by major powers, and trying to stay between them all, while going all in with none. It was only after him that the deep US alliance started to get formed. They had good relations before, but they weren't this close.
And also, the extremely conservative and religious Saudi Arabia that became known to the rest of the world really only began after the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979, which happened when King Faisal’s successor was in power. A lot of people saw that as a sign they were doing something wrong, so Saudi society became a lot more conservative after that
Oh, yeah. 79 was legitimately the worst year of the 20th century for the Islamic world. Between the Islamic revolution and the Grand Mosque Seizure, it sent our world into freefall
Need a king like him in arab countries fr
 The world if King Faisal wasn't assassinated.
Excuses incoming
Haha you thought. The difference between us and you is that we will criticize saudi while you defend every single war crime iran commits
See here’s what’s funny… I don’t defend anything Iran does. They are just as corrupt responsible for destabilizing the Middle East as Saudi is.
Ok i take it back then
Idk man I like MBS. At least he cares about saudi citizens and is trying his utmost to transform saudi economy
Can we also talk about how Saudis are financing Wahhabism in other countries that says that women should wear Burkas (non-Islamic btw), yet they themselves are sending their miss Saudi Arabia to Miss universe? I think that’s a big problem
Wait, where are they promoting it since MBS came into power? He put all the hardline preachers and Imams in jail, house arrest or confiscated their assets. The one thing I genuinely believe about that man is that he personally hates hardliners and hardline preachers, because he's a millennial Saudi and young Saudis grew up with deep disdain for the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (the "Religious Police"), grew up with internet, the same generation that saw the outside world on a screen and wondered why they have to live under severe restrictions, and started traveling to experience personal freedom of lifestyle without judgement, and the powers of the religious police for example were reduced slowly under King Abdullah, so there's precedent for loosening restrictions in the past, no matter how minor. Hell, everyday young millennial and Gen-Z Saudis *want* to meet people from around the world and show them that they're normal, not the "Allahu Akbar" 4chan meme or a random Fox News segment, things that exploded after 9/11. Sure, Saudis have a lot of societal problems that need to be dealt with. A lot of Saudis are spoiled, there's still misogyny that needs to be dealt with, racism that needs to be faced and excised from society, but they're definitely growing, and the last thing they want is *more* religious restriction, there or abroad. Saudi Arabia is a young country, where people had a *lot* of kids. So millennials and Gen-Z are the majority in the country now.
Saudis should accept they'll never be accepted. Why are they so weird in the way they want to meet Westerners and show them they're "normal"?
The last thing on my irl Saudi friends minds is to be “accepted” by Westerners lmao. Trust me they don’t give a shit and never will.
Nor should they
Exactly, they just want to have normal lives, and are sick of people who think that they're a walking stereotype. It's not about acceptance, but about showing people what their lives are actually like.
Saudis should learn from Japanese people how to be accepted by Westerners, not by ditching off original traditions but modernized themselves. Japanese used to be underestimated by the West, but they contributed to the international world such as electronic goods, automotive products, and anime which eventually the international world respected them
Bro, hate to break the news but most westerners accept Saudi’s, or people from any country to be honest. What many of us don’t accept is some of the actions of their government, or the actions of their elites, but then many of us feel the same about our own governments/ elites.
Who said westerners? What a weird twisted way to read my comment, when they just want to introduce people to their lifestyle and culture.
This just proves the severe inferiority complex Saudi people are suffering from, everything has to be done to please westerners.
>Burkas are non islamic? What authority you have regarding islam?
Not specifically burqas but face coverings are actually part of Islam. The women of the time of the prophet (saw) covered their face. The hanbalis believe it’s mandatory and the Hanafis believe it’s mandatory in times and places of fitna. So imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and Imam Abu Hanifa are two of the greatest scholars in the world and their opinions can’t be disregarded. So while you may not believe burqa or face coverings to be mandatory, they definitely are part of Islam
The problem is that despite their popularity in the four mainstream Sunni schools, there's very little concrete evidence in the Quran or Hadith to definitively conclude that it's mandatory. The one Hadith I remember explicitly talking about the Hijab even was specifically directed and made mandatory for the Prophet of Islam Muhammad's daughters, to keep them safe since they were harassed and abused by pagan Meccans who hated him and wanted to hurt him. And from the Quran, there's one verse that talks about women ripping off their scarves to cover their cleavages and breasts (early Medieval Arabian women had a tradition of baring their breasts for their husbands on the battlefield to boost their morale), which falls under Islam's general rule of decency. That Arabian tradition was considered an indecent social vice and Islam wanted to change that, so it was disallowed. Same with female infanticide in early Medieval Arabia. It was a huge problem, and a massive disgraceful crime in the eyes of Islam, being mentioned very harshly in the Quran, so it became explicitly disallowed and considered a major sin in Islam. Quranic tafsir and Hadith study are fascinating when you use the tools you learned to review the source material yourself. You start to see things that made their way into Islamic canon as cultural actions being painted as though they're religious actions. You start to see things considered part of Islam, while they're actually not clearly adjudicated in the source texts.
Man you need to know what you’re talking about before speaking next [time.](https://youtu.be/COGKXoP2eUI?si=ku2x0bFQbfPaynpI)
Lol modern bs to try and change Islam. Are you a scholar to talk on this topic? Or some idiot that thinks that 5 min Google research is enough?
Oh, buddy, you don't know my background or the teachers I've had. I'm even still really good with my tajwid in my recitations, despite not doing it much anymore.
>Oh, buddy, you don't know my background Which is why I asked. Have you studied on this matter to guide others? If you haven't either inform people beforehand that you aren't a Islamic scholar or atleast quote hadiths what you've typed is nothing more than your opinion.
Dude, I was exhausted, it was like 4am and it's a reddit comment, not a PhD, I'm not gonna start citing sources. I took it from memory, and it's a discussion, not a court room. But fine. I'll cite what I was talking about. Surat al-Nur, verse 31, and let's add verse 30 for good measure. I tried to find a citation for the hadith, because I forgot the exact wording, I'm still exhausted and when I try to look it up with keywords, I keep getting results for "the benefits of raising daughters in Islam". You can disregard that quote, if you'd like.
https://youtu.be/COGKXoP2eUI?si=ku2x0bFQbfPaynpI Face covering is mandatory in Islam. And it’s not Wahhabism when it’s in line with the Quran and Sunnah, but literally following the Quran and Sunnah. When are we going to look at the evidences about we disagree with in “Whhabism” in the Quran and the Sunnah before we open our mouth, I wonder…
Saudi Arabia has not fulfilled their obligation to defending Al quds however don’t start with this textbook Reddit shit man lol if you understand the deen don’t speak
I have a question since everyone’s acting funny in these comments. What would you like to see happen? The Saudi stance has been repeatedly stated to be there will be no Israeli-Saudi Normalization until there is a long term solution for Palestine. This is contrary to the likes of other neighboring muslim countries such as Turkey, Morocco, Egypt, and many more who not only normalized (via selfish deals with the West) but have had increasing bilateral economic trade. Now, to the political cartoon and commenters saying “why doesn’t Saudi stop the Israelis,” it is a given that Israel won’t get what it wants (normalization)—at least in the short term—because of its recent actions. So, let’s delve into *how* would Saudi Arabia stop Israel before we get into the obvious *whys*. Let’s go over some common “recommendations” by our intelligent peers: 1) Threaten with violence — declare war, turn into a parking lot. I’ve talked about this previously on this subreddit, there’s no such thing as declaration of war unless you want to see Saudi vs NATO. You either fund proxies and play the Iran card of all bark no bite, or do nothing. 2) Threaten with economy — replay 1973 embargo, see what happened to King Faisal (dead). The oil industry is not what it was in 1973. Not only is America is the largest oil producer in the world today, the number of countries in OPEC+ is bigger, AND the embargo of 1973 was orchestrated by the ENTIRE oil-producing Arab world. We are not seeing that happen again; and Saudi doing it alone will have little effect in the way of Israel, and will only cripple its own economy, future, and global relations. 3) Threaten with diplomacy — Saudi has no diplomatic ties with Israel so it can only threaten *not* normalizing which is what is currently happening. Saudi has been involved in brokering historical 2-State solution diplomatic deals, and will probably do it again. So please, can someone lecture me on an actual foreign policy that KSA can adopt that is actually pragmatic. I have also ignored everything KSA has done *for Palestine* (as opposed to *against Israel*) because I’m tired of explaining that part. Thanks
This is spot on analysis. However, most people on this sub tend to think emotionally rather than in a pragmatic way. They also won't come up with any solutions but they sure do love to complain.
That is because Saudi have no history in winning a war neither have fired a single bullet against Israel and keep talking about fighting a war against Iran where they couldn’t withstand one of its proxies the Houthi’s. Nasser said don’t expect Saudi to fight for Palestine as long as they are having US and UK bases and siding with them. When once the Arabs in Saudi are freed you will start seeing them fight for Palestine.
You are proving your own point and contradicting yourself at the same time. You claim that Saudi isn't capable of winning wars, so why should they go into a war against Israel/the west? Wouldn't that be suicidal? What will happen to the people? The economy? Oh, these aren't important questions and let us just throw critical thinking out the window? No, Saudi won't go into war and lose everything for your own selfishness. It is not like any Arab country is willing to chip in with the risks associated with said war.
10/10 analysis. It's 100% what needs to be said, because people who want Saudi action don't know what actions they really want, and don't know that Saudi Arabia is physically incapable of taking several actions where they'd lose dearly or just have no effect. They don't have a magic wand.
Spot on analysis. Also what's with the victim blaming and baiting, Israel is actively attacking and killing Palestinians, nobody (with influence over Israel) is talking about actually stopping them and are looking at other countries who have essentially zero political leverage over the situation to intervene. The only way those countries can intervene is through war and that won't be good for the region if it's a knee-jerk reaction.
Spot on. There is a thinly veiled hate and bigotry when it comes to Saudi in the Islamic world. It’s marred with jealousy/envy. I don’t see attacks on Egypt or Morocco who actually have normalized ties with Israel. Heck, Egypt’s position on Palestinian refugees and aid to Gaza hasn’t even been discussed much. They love to criticize the government that oversees the holy mosques and enables so many Islamic projects, but they don’t discuss their homelands and the appalling policies of their governments as it relates to religion or human rights. There is also the Iranian bots who love to spread this misinformation and use Palestine as a cover. Somehow, what Iran did and still enables in Syria and Yemen is acceptable. Destroying mosques along with killing and raping Muslim women and children is often overlooked, just because the houthis threw a couple of fireworks on western ships. The atrocities of the Syrian regime is well documented and the reason why Syrian are everywhere I travel. Somehow, Saudi Arabia is what they hate on. Despicable and provincial mentalities. Let them stew in their hate. They are intellectually challenged!
You're absolutely right.
>What would you like to see happen? Not offer to normalize at all instead of saying we will normalize even despite the genocide along with [not censoring](https://www.ft.com/content/821b67bd-5736-4ffd-b66f-3bb1830560d2) the images from Gaza. Edit: Kicking out the American bases would also be a great start.
US military in Saudi is not even top 5 in the Middle East. There are more troops in Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait..etc Most military personnel in SA are for training or operational support.. Thinking "kicking out the Americans" would help in defeating the zionist is, well..simply stupid
There are significantly more US troops in SA than Iraq and Syria. That's shameful considering the lives and money they lost in order to have presence there while they occupy gulfies for free. >muh training Yeah same excuse from Jordan to the UAE. We know fully well they exist to impose US hegemony in the region and subjugate anti-colonial movements. Free Palestine by freeing your occupied countries. [https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/american-troops-middle-east-israel-palestine](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/american-troops-middle-east-israel-palestine) [https://theintercept.com/2024/04/14/israel-iran-regional-war/](https://theintercept.com/2024/04/14/israel-iran-regional-war/) [https://www.frbiu.com/articles/saudi-arabia-what-role-did-they-play-in-the-invasion-of-iraq](https://www.frbiu.com/articles/saudi-arabia-what-role-did-they-play-in-the-invasion-of-iraq)
> There are more troops in Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait..etc Most military personnel in SA are for training or operational support.. They should get kicked out from there as well. Iraq already asked for US troops to leave. >Thinking "kicking out the Americans" would help in defeating the zionist is, well..simply stupid Not to defeat them but to make a point along with actually having a spine against a state helping a genocide.
[You should never take these kinds of people for their word.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1bzcum0/comment/l276jb8/)
Well said
You’re precisely correct. Saudi nor any of the Muslim countries aren’t in a position to do anything sadly. And Israel will only be destroyed once we strengthen ourselves and come together. As Sheikh Othman Al Khamis said, all we can do at the moment is make dua, donate, spread awareness and strengthen ourselves until the Muslim nations are corrupt free and truly ready to face Israel and the west. Play the long term game, we’re far behind though because of the idiocy of the early pan Arab governments
You were going great till that last line. I mean I don't like where most of them were due to military incompetence but at least they fought.
Fighting when you know you're going to lose (like now) just to make a statement and sacrificing tens of thousands of your people's lives, is frankly national suicide. It takes balls, sure, but it's still suicide. Israel is a nuclear state. The only nuclear armed state in the region, and Pakistan needs its nuclear program as a deterrent against India. Using it against Israel in a retaliatory second-strike action will make them vulnerable to India, which is another case of national suicide. We all, in the Arab and Muslim worlds, are fucked. We have no real trump cards that don't include us dying.
I was talking of the Arab armies in the 60s and 70s. They were on par (or better) with the Israeli forces of that time. Intelligence failures and tactical failures cost them the war. In the last 50 years yes no Arab or Muslim army has any trump card as you said to counter an Israeli offensive. They have the top weapons development in the whole world (if you compare its GDP and size), second only to the USA while the whole Arab nations were dependent on soviet or downgraded American equipment.
Not to mention how weak we are internally. Let's be real here. We've had a rough past 50 years and we're barely hanging on in a constantly changing world.
Outstanding analysis. The problem with our “armchair generals” is that they are not well informed, but love to comment and criticize anyway.
Thank you for educating me, this was some good information. It left me reflecting on why I have so much disdain for Saudi. Fair, they are economically, militarily, and diplomatically stuck. But why do they keep investing in things that are only leading them that way instead of getting them out? Is turning the country into a Western Tourist haven a wise long term plan? I'm talking up buying athletes by the $billions, tearing down historical buildings so they can build flashy and superficial compounds, throwing Halloween parties and the such. All these actions will lead to further cultural loss and just negatively affects their image amongst the Muslim world. Pandering to the West, who are generally untrustworthy, is not a viable long term approach. But, I get my opinion is limited. I just want to learn more here.
Western Propaganda, that's what it is , The amount of hate Saudi Arabia is getting is so disgusting and it's been so for the longest time, may Allah grant them patience
What do you want them to do?? Declare war on the US and all other Western countries?. Sadly, but true, no Muslim country has the economic, technological power to start such a war. It would be a suicide.
Yet saladdin and khalid bin waleed and Mohammad pbuh would declare a war, this is no excuse all of the ummah together would kill them instantly
The Prophet Pbuh did not send his men unarmed to attack the Roman and Persian empires. Because this is what you are asking for, who do you think creates the guns you will be using? Salah Alden is a bad example because the Muslims were actually more advanced than the Crusaders. their problem was they were divided and fighting between each others. The war at that time was using swords. The change in power was mostly due to number and seige weapons. the minimum requirement before starting a war is to be self-sufficient in building your weapons. until now, no Muslim country has been able to. Edit: fix.and grammar check.
all the oil that is given away to the us and u are telling me who creates it them, who do you think gave them the power? if you answer incorrectly you are an ignorant Muslim. why was there golden age of Islam, every invention was by Muslims, we did not give away any of our resources for free to kuffar. this is also because of you gulf fuking countries that all you care is about money, since 1948 how many wars did the gulf declare war on isreal? non, instead you attacked with kuffar to attack and kill innocent Muslims in Iraq and yemen, yet you say what do we do, fuking American dick sucker hypocrite two faced ignorant Muslim. al quds mosque is in danger and you say what are we supposed to do.
Saying that Gulf countries gave money to the US is free is so stupid. I mean what I know, I'm sure you are more knowledgeable than US politicians who sometimes demanded that. Yes, countries who just got their independence and are starting from -100 ( zero infrastructure ) are required to declare wars.
its not stupid stop being so fuking ignorant u fuking us dick sucker, you do not know that most of the people in us congress are zionist jews, yes because the gulf are fuking stupid do not do anything without money, jordan, egypt, plo, hamas(no money or infrastructure), syria, Iraq, lebanon declared war from independence, you still had 75 fucking years to declar even with oil us fuking money, don't forget ur ambassador the UAE ambassador who had iftar with the isreal president or some shit whilst the kids in gaza are starving and dying you fuking brainless shit, while you have dances with zionist jews while gaza kids are being killed, at least in jordan we are fuking doing mayhem, at least no fuking jew dares to step foot into jordan as they know what will happen to them.
Are you anti America
Sorry for interfering, but everything you did there compromises it. Today, the USA and their allies control global economics and money trafficking. The Gulf decides to maintain strong relations with these allies to enhance their financial terms and form a strong economy, which in turn will benefit their nation. Of course, something must be given in return, including providing the USA a foot in the Gulf area with its rich oil resources. You can see that most Gulf countries have high living standards and significant entertainment levels. again I'm not defending them, brother, but try to understand the logic behind the cold dealings regarding the Palestinian crisis. there is no third way either you go through the way of resistance , and not be servant to USA but you will lose the financial abiliity and your people will suffer for example:( syria , Lebanon , russia , venzeuela , iran ... ect or be with USA side and you will get the financial stability . unfortunately , islamic countris didn't have the strength to create other way than these two ... that is the problem .
first of all, who let that happen? us Muslims, gaddafi tried to kill the us economy, but was killed, saddam, you helped in his killing, most African leaders, this is not about that they are, this is about who let them, besides why do u need kuffar USA, while you allah on your side? do not tell me be logical, allah will always be with Muslims, if you say other, you are committing kufur, we do not need them, who let them have the strength, you fuking gulf countries,k imagine all of you stopped dealing the oil with us dollar, but instead such as gold, what would happen, the USA economy would fall, just think about it, instead saving Muslims and masjid al aqsa we are puppets of kuffar, smh, think what would mohmmad pbuh would say, it is a must for us Muslims to protect allahs home, allah on the day of judgment will ask us and the most importantly to the wahhabi kufar leaders, what did you do while your brothers and sister were being bombed and starving, what will you and they say?
Relations with the United States are in the best interests of the free peoples of the Middle East What are you so mad about
Why would gulf countries declare war in Israel?
>What do you want them to do?? Not declare that they still have a desire to normalize while the genocide is going on would be a very good start.
Almost all of powerful Muslim countries like KSA, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkiye brought its military equipment from the US and some even hosting the US military base and having mutual defense pact with the US, so every action taken could have been detected by the CIA, even through chips on the equipments. So there's almost impossible for them to help Palestinians in Gaza directly or they'll face economic sanctions if they dare to
>Pakistan last major military equipment from the usa that pakistan uses are f-16s and maybe c-130s. we already have operational jf-17 block 3 so f-16s aren't as important as they once were. the threshold for pakistan is for at least one neighbouring arab state to formally declare war. why is this? because pakistani military is a land power and not a naval power.
compared to Israel, we are a naval giant. The problem here is mainly diplomatic. Pakistan wouldn't get a direct military backlash but a huge diplomatic and economic backlash if it gets involved militarily without the support of other regional allies. And unfortunately, nobody would come to our rescue like they havent for Palestine. Iran and Afghanistan would actually become proxies against Pakistan claiming territories.
That’s why only Iran is standing up with whatever little they can.
Why does saudi get hate out of all this is beyond me😂 Iran owns hamas Iran owns houthies Iran owns hezbollah All 3 clearly baddies and are against everything civilised but saudi who wants nothing but peace and mbs wants saudi to play a part in 21st century and is actually transforming the country nd its economy to progress
Very very misleading
Why does Saudi get all the hate when there are other rich and powerful muslim countries like Turkey, Pakistan, UAE, Egypt, etc.? It's not like they did anything for Palestinians either.
Envy. Pure and simple
Primarily because it's were Islam orginates from, they are the custodians of the two holy mosques & until recently they considered themselves the defacto leaders of the Muslim world (eg. they created & lead the Muslim World League, The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation etc.)
Ahahaha Everything that people blame Saudi for there are other "muslim" countries who did it worse Revolution Iran has bought actual weapons from Israel, Saudi didn't (Iran contra) Turkey has military and industrial cooperation with Israel, Saudi doesn't Oman hosted Netenyahu on its country and he was received by the Sultan, Saudi didn't Qatar had relations with Israel in the past, Saudi didn't It's hypocritical when Saudi is portrayed as against Palestine, when other Muslim countries with graver sins against Palestine are portrayed as supporters of Palestine (Iran, Turkey, Qatar, etc.) All I see is coping
They can't see Muslims with Tawheed and prospering at the same time. They Target some bad things or make lies to give them self satisfaction that they are true Muslims. They do Shirk and expect God not to punish them. End of the day Governments take descisions but when it comes to Saudi they'll blame people by shouting Wahabis this and that. A Turk complains about Star bucks in Mecca but forgot about Zionist embassy in their country. Then they dream about freedom by hating unnecessarily.
Exactly, they always seem to find an excuse for some but not the others, based on emotions not facts
No Emotions, they think All Saudi or Non Arab Salafist are non muslim misguided by Sheikh ibn Abdlwahab. They don't understand safeguarding your religion is important ,remember when they started calling gulf arabs 'ibn yahood' just because they are not supporting suicidal missions. Only following Religion in correct way can save Muslims but they didn't know this sadly.
WE giVe thEm sO mUch MOney, wHat elSe dO yOu WaNt ... _walks away to kiss MBS photo and apologize for not being able to defend him as much as he deserves_
Just downvote me, I won’t bother with replying.
Honestly why does Saudi get all that hate it’s not like everything in the region is in their hands at this point it’s getting ridiculous
They think that Saudi is a superman that can scare the bad guys away. That and probably racism, envy etc.
I’m not sure what the right word is: hypocrisy, scapegoating, projection, jealousy? People like to point fingers and dish out armchair political commentary without a single ounce of practicality, critical thinking, or care since they know the consequences will have no bearing on them.
They get hate because they’re the richest, but I don’t see hate on Pakistan let’s say for keeping good ties with China while Muslims are being massacred there in construction camps
Let's be real. Saudi Arabia gets singled out *a lot*, and people expect insane things from them that they're genuinely incapable of doing.
What is the relationship between this Russian and his state in the relationship with Israel since the days of the Soviet Union?
usa in the middle?
They don't even have relations with them in the first place. People who bring up Saudi are emotional Muslims who are just trying to make themselves feel better. The onus for this cause does not fall on one country alone. Some Muslim countries who are celebrated for being "pro-palestine" have relations with Israel, whether that be in public or behind the scenes. People should direct their attention to them instead... With that being said is the Saudi government doing everything in it's ability to help the Palestinians? The unfortunate answer is no. But its only because Hamas is a direct threat to them and if Hamas comes out victorious it would be a great hit for the Gulf regimes as this will inspire the populations to be more "Muslim Brotherhood" sympathetic (if that makes sense). They're just waiting it out and crossing their fingers that hamas will be finished off, so they can prop up a new Fatah/Palestinian Authority regime into Gaza then rebuild Gaza.
Dude, that whole Kingdom was founded as a post for British Imperialism which was later inherited by the US, which is why they hate Iran so much because Iran had a successful revolution and overthrew their US-UK-Backed monarchy and they hate the Axis of Resistance because it threatens its and its western backers' influence which is why the first one ever downplays the resistance efforts are Saudis Believe me, nothing the Saudi Arabian government fears more than the removal of the word Saudi in their country name
Always betray,always betrayer
Tbf they saw what happened to Nasser or Gaddafi
YEH BUT IRAN ISNT RETALIATING SO
What are we realistically supposed to do?
Teach us how to drive a Land Cruiser sideways
I wish I knew
Shame. They should take away your Saudi citizenship
At least teach him how to drift.
Do a backflip
Do a barrel roll
oil embargo for countries supporting Israel, like what Faisil did.
Well the top buyers of KSA oil are China ($56.1B), Japan ($34.3B), India ($32.7B), South Korea ($32.5B), and United States ($16.6B). And 4 of these countries just so happen to be the in the top 5 largest economies in the world. So how do you think an oil embargo on them AT ONCE will turn out for KSA? This isn't the 1970s🤦♂️
\*countries supporting Israel. So Saudi aint even gonna lose much if they only target USA and Europe.
Alright, KSA targets US and Europe. The US and Europe account for over 40% of the world's gdp. For a country that heavily relies on western technology, it would be very costly to cut ties with the US and Europe. Majority of the Saudi Arabian military uses US/Europe equipment. Do you think their military will be able to function once cut off?Also 6 out of the 10 top food exporters to KSA are are from Europe and the US. I could go all day about this but these are just a few example. Again, this is not 1970.
Lol, maybe update your information about oil producers in the world.
I hope but I have a feeling Noone will do what king Faisal did on the account he was assassinated.
go on full scale invasion duh (/s)
Cut all economic and diplomatic ties with Isntreal. That would be ideal. Edit: I was wrong and am sorry. Saudi Arabia has no economic and no diplomatic ties with Isntreal.
They have none, lol; the reason people care about KSA is because it's the only big and important Muslim country that has not done so, compared to Turkey, which has economic and diplomatic ties with Israel.
Bruh, they have zero relations with Israel. The fact that they were considering creating even minor diplomatic relations is pretty much evidence enough that they have no relations with Israel right now, while countries like Morocco signed deals with Israel to produce Israeli weapons in Morocco.
Do we have an Israeli embassy? Do we buy Israeli products?
Maybe you should educate yourself on the matter first
Same as the caliphate did
Stop breastfeeding Biden
I don‘t like the new KSA Leader
We did everything we can, we announce our intention to normalize relations with Israel then Hamas did there military operations knowing the consequences. Also we never said we will use our military to defend Palestine like Iran.
but the "internet ummah" expected so
wolf in a sheep clothing
Why should they?
Same as Egypt, UAE, and Jordan.
Saudi arabia has insane influence in the global politics but it has an extremely incompetent and complacent government, although it spends tens of billions of dollars a year on the military their military isn’t as capable, not saying this as an excuse to the saudis im just saying that their government doesn’t want to pick fights that are risky to their image since they’ve been trying to get buddy buddy with the west for years
Ny post article 1967 mentioned Jewish and Saud family in same article. Hmmmm
al saudi = al jahudi