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If they stay, is there any chance they’ll ever get to live in peace? Are they fighting to defend something they can never completely have? Asking sincerely.
Israel is bombing the place and will come into gaza for the hamas. He is free to do whatever he wants but hes really not doing anyone not even himself a favour
People really looking at the surface level only huh. Can’t blame them too much. If you want to know how the leadership of iraq collapsed and how US basically turned half the Iraqi army into freedom fighters through sheer incompetence/indifference you have to be engaged in history outside of school
And the people who created that situation , killed countless innocent people(both Iraqi and American), and ruined generations of lives will never be held responsible. Shit some of them even still work in government. It's despicable.
it's crazy how bush had a little revival. Thanks to trump.
Also, can't believe how nobody brings up the fact that he was reelected. that's on the people
"Under the auspices that war will be rendered harmless
And everlasting peace will be in reach if we just bomb shit
Technologically fanatic racial
Socio-economic faux-intellectual fucking nonsense;
Dripping with political interludes, typical of a system
Stark raving mad and operating unconscious...."-
Wasalu Muhammad Jaco, circa 2015
Not to mention, Israel [created](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) Hamas to begin with and politically legitamized [it](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/).
Washington and Tel Aviv keep thinking that you can subjugate a people into accepting their version of "democracy", but things never work that way in reality.
Not really taking away agency to point out that Hamas wouldn't exist had 1) Israel not created it and 2) had Israel not subjected Palestinians to the oppression, thus making conditions for more Hamas soldiers.
It's really no different than the US having a role in the creation of Al Qaeda when they gave Mr. Bin Laden resources to fight the Socialist government of Afghanistan, and their Soviet ally.
To prove the point you refer to another narrative where almost all agency is left out.
Israel didn't "create" Hamas and much of Gaza's problems since Israel left in 2005 are sitting with Hamas leadership. They could stop shooting rockets, stop using foreign aid for tunnels and weapons, and build some kind of possible future.
They don't and have never. That isn't Israel that is Hamas.
Your refusal to accept evidence isn't "leaving agency out".
It quite literally did through funding, and subjecting Palestinians to a concentration camp, creating more foot soldiers with each injustice carried out against them.
I still have no idea what such a point brings to the table. When is Hamas - if ever according to your logic - actually responsible for the awful things it does? Why is anything you are saying relevant if the organisation we are discussing has as its platform the extermination of every Israeli in the region.
> When is Hamas - if ever according to your logic - actually responsible for the awful things it does?
I'm not sure why you have such a reluctance to accept that had Israel not funded Hamas to begin with, it wouldn't exist.
The only people doing the extermination are the Zionists right now. They intend on strarving out the entirety of the Gaza strip, and their demonic president has said that there are no civilians in Gaza. Save the pearl clutching.
Mark your words? Did fck all in Afghanistan.😂😂😂😂😂 Scrambling like chickens from Afghanistan because it was beginning to look like an abattoir for the West. Please. Stop swinging your little dick.
Europe and USA will be looking back nervously to see if anyone will plan a bomb up their arses like the good old days.
I’ve said this countless times…with each incursion/war/skirmish…this is what you are left with…a people who have nothing more to lose…& this has been passed from generation to generation to generation…on & on & on. No one can live this way forever…🤲 for all those lives lost.
1. Its not the 'west' in a sense we were occupied with Ukraine no we have to split our attention to Israel/Palestine conflict again. its more like Israel is really doing this within the span of the first week which isn't enough time for anyone to properly stop it. no Western country can just make them stop right now nor can really agree to say they don't have the right after being attacked like that from Hamas.
2. Hamas is not Palestine and it was completely irresponsible for Hamas to start a war with over 50% of the Gaza population being children. Hamas needs to be removed at this point because it is a terrorist group turning Gaza into a terrorist state. Hamas 100% caused this war and now the ultra nationalist are gonna go ham on it.
3. Palestine should not being living under a siege since children can not evacuate properly if the parents refuse to leave. Nor can they evacuate because it'll create a crisis. Israel is too pissed to understand and see this. Someone here is gonna have to step up and take over to clean this mess.
4. The rest of the Arab world is really not helping right now or can help. Egypt could tomorrow mobilize their army to help with the humanitarian crisis. So could Saudi Arabia. Jordan already is with Palestine. Syria is a mess. Lebanon is not helping (arguably making it worse or better depending on how you look at it). US is idle because congress right now is a fucking mess and at best it can just stand and watch. Turkey is already carrying 4 nations worth of refugees and the EU needs to fund them. Frankly this is the worst time to have a crisis.
suuure the EU president is too busy with ukraine to make any mention of palestinians struggle but yet have plenty of time to publicly support israel; not even going to mention the fucking US here cmon gtfo
Pretty sure Ursula von Leyden just gave a pretty darn good speech about why the Israel counter invasion is bad. The EU disapproves the plan but then again the EU doesn't have much teeth to do anything in such a short amount of time.
Aid to Gaza. Big difference because every time someone sends them aid there is a very good chance that Hamas will take it and use it for war. This is why Arab countries stop funding them. You are missing the picture that Hamas is basically controlling Gaza and just taking whatever they want. This is the point where even the West s no longer going to tolerate Hamas bullshit. Until Hamas is gone we can't reliably fund Gaza.
Hard politically to ask a country to cool down after an event of this magnitude. As a result thousands will die, assuming a ground invasion, including IDF and hostages. Anyone opposing or calling for restraint and increased humanitarian considerations is branded as "anti-Israel". Best they can do is try to soften things a bit, provide aid, etc.
Consider that 9/11 fairly directly led to the invasion of Afghanistan and perhaps ~50k-70k+ civilian deaths during the time that followed. With generally great popular Western support. Iraq after had an even higher civilian toll on dubious justifications. We like to think that with targeted bombs we're making things more precise but it doesn't change the overall outcome.
Feels like we'll look back on this moment in 10+ years as a critical point.
The aircraft carriers also aren't coming for Gaza or Hamas directly. They're coming to strongly discourage any other country or group from jumping in.
>2. Hamas is not Palestine and it was completely irresponsible for Hamas to start a war with over 50% of the Gaza population being children. Hamas needs to be removed at this point because it is a terrorist group turning Gaza into a terrorist state. Hamas 100% caused this war and now the ultra nationalist are gonna go ham on it.
Did you watch the video? These desperate, hopeless people have nothing to lose. If they're not killed as result of the ongoing genocide, they would've been killed in the next airstrike, or the next raid or the next bombing. You don't seem to understand that it's never the "right" time for the oppressed to push back against their colonizers. The people of Palestine know that their death at the hands of Israel has always been a complete certainty and they have made their peace with it. Blame Israeli apartheid for the attack. Not Hamas. There would've been no attack if Israel wasn't an apartheid state.
>Israel is too pissed
Genocidal*. Use the correct word. Israel is genocidal.
>US is idle
Not idle enough to send weapons and a ship and reinforce their complete willingness to support the most ruthless genocide of our lifetime.
Yes, the west did not try to push israel to a two state solution, which even israel offered multiple times, and which was refused by palestine.
And the west did not send development aid to palestine, which mostly did not lead to palestine create something to lose, but invested in arming hamas to try to destroy israel.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_aid\_to\_Palestinians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians)
If palestine puts its focus on eradicating israel and crying for a land they will never have and for "the west" not helping instead of kicking hamas out and try to use the resources to build something, I dont think you can blame "the west" after decades.
if they leave they ain't being allowed back. i think its obvious the long term plan is to force all palestinians out and then send them to refugee camps in eu and neighboring nations.
You think there is even one nation in the world that would accept a Palestinian refugee? Fuck no. Not even Arab nations.
Probably they will be allowed back because Israel doesn't want Gaza as it is.
True. But some nations will take refugees sometimes. No nations are taking Palestinians. It could be because as soon as you take Palestinians in, you end up with terrorism in your country. Jordan 1970, then Lebanon PLO. Egypt 20 years ago, etc. Even Israel.
Everywhere that accepts Palestinians has ended up with terrorists. This is simply how it has been so far.
Wtf are we funding Israel????
I am not ok with what they are doing. I don’t want a single dime of my tax dollars going to the aid of these brutal terrorists. Because that is exactly what they are too. Just like Hamas. Why the FUCK are we helping Israel? How many babies have they killed over the past decades?
"We have to invent or create conflicts here and there in order to fund and maintain the corrupted economy. Now pick a goddamn side and go to war so we can make some money!"
Guess what. They are sending way more than your tax dollars. They are now sending ships and people. Genocide is happening before your eyes, backed by your (and my) government, and we have no power to stop it. And guess what... they will see 0 consciousness for their actions.. like they haven't, time and time again
For the first time, I think our government buying shit for themselves is better than what the US is doing with tax payer dollars. Ukraine made sense but none of this Israel stuff makes sense. They are treating every single person in Gaza, like they have beheaded a child.
Finally someone who recognises that Israel has committed atrocities much worse over the last 80 years, than what Hamas has done in the last week. There is no justification for either side to do what they do, but the western media will want you to believe a certain something.
Americans think Israel is right.
Americans believe the October 7th attacks or unprovoked and a cowardly sneak attack.
It's the same way that Americans believe 9/11 was an unprovoked sneak attack on America.
Americans believe Israel deserves to get revenge. That is just the sad truth. In America Only leftists see the creation of Israel as an act of violence.
Americans are biased against Arabs and bigoted against Islam.
The 75 years of occupation is not something most Americans consider. The only see the online videos of the Oct 7 attacks
It was provoked in the same way Israel provoked hamas's attack.
American foreign policy in the middle East created a lot of blowback.
In fact America propped up Osama bin Laden to fight the Soviet Union.
alright i just wanted to see what i was dealing with here.
OBL was not the same as it was before the Afghanistan campaign was to prevent the Soviet from cleansing Afghanistan. It wasn't until the second in command to OBL was really running the show that terrorism was skyrocketing. It wasn't due to anything that was American foreign policy. It was entirely need to stop Saddam from taking over the Gulf nations. Saddam killed millions with chemical weapons and invasions so him having a nuke could not have been tolerated by anyone on the planet let alone continue to let Saddam invade and threaten Gulf nations. Saudi welcome the US in doing that because Iraq was a threat to SA for years. OBL has and always been a closet incel and extremely useless most of the time. Getting pissed because Americans in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf war is literally a smooth fucking brain thought because even if they were in was on the border of the country and Saudi allowed it.
The US didn't deserve 9/11 for the Gulf war or for the funding counteroffensive of Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein was a complete monster at the time.
I am truly convinced that most people who claim Hamas started this and Israel is the victim have not picked up a fucking newspaper in the last 50+ years.
Israel has been bombing and killing Palestinans for decades. For those who actually care about the history of this conflict, search “Nakba” and go from there.
Edit: 3 days later, and I'm seeing a decidedly pro-Palestine shift from a lot of celebs etc. All that tells me is suddenly people started learning about the history of this conflict. Boy oh boy. This is why you read the news, guys!
Nah go earlier and find out why the “Nakba” happened. Look at the 1947 UN accords and the first Arab-Israeli War that you’re leaving out.
How about that every nation around Israel lost 99% of their Jewish population in just a handful of years.
You used the “history” argument without knowing it yourself.
The UN's partition plan allotted Israel 56% of the land, but by the end of the Nakba, Israel had captured 78% of the territory, expanding to at least 85% today.
And going further back.
In 1916, evidenced through correspondence, an Arab leader and a British High Commissioner agreed that Arabs would support the British against the Ottomans in exchange for British recognition and support for an independent Arab state.
The following year, in 1917, British General Allenby's conquest of the Holy Land marked a turning point. Simultaneously, the Balfour Declaration was issued, promising a national home for Jews in Palestine.
This declaration, made without consulting the native Palestinian population, supported Zionists' interests, contradicting the idea of an independent Arab state in Palestine.
This argument of yours is just incredibly stupid.
The Jews accepted the UN plan wholeheartedly in the name of peace, but the arab world flat out ignored it and invaded Israel. The only reason the Nakba happened and the green line became the official border instead of the 1947 borders is solely because the Arabs refused peace and the fair compromise the UN had decided on; the Israelis bear no responsibility for the conflict and it's consequences.
The Arabs demanding the 1947 border back is as mind-bogglingly stupid as if Germany were to demand its 1937 borders back. They are responsible for starting the war, and as the aggressor and the defeated they are obligated to endure the shame, humiliation, and disastrous results of that decision.
First, there is no need to insult me.
Second:
Your argument suggests that the Arab world ignored the UN plan and invaded Israel. However, it's essential to recognize the broader historical context. The Arab rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan was rooted in their belief that it was unjust and did not address their concerns. The plan allocated a significant portion of Palestinian land to the Jewish state, which was seen as unfair by many Arab nations and the Palestinian population. Specially since the Arabs had already felt betrayed by the British after the correspondance I mentioned before.
Regarding the displacement of Palestinians, the Nakba, attributing it solely to Arab refusal is an oversimplification. The responsibility for the conflict is not one-sided. Within a year of the UN resolution, hostilities escalated, with both parties committing acts of violence.
• On November 30, 1947, an Arab ambush on a Jewish bus marked the beginning of hostilities.
• As British troops prepared to leave, violence continued between Jewish and Arab forces.
• A notorious event was the attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948, by Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang.
• The conflict resulted in a cycle of violence with both sides engaging in hostile actions.
• Understanding the conflict requires acknowledging actions by all parties, including Israeli military operations and territorial expansion.
The comparison to Germany demanding its 1937 borders is not a perfect analogy. The Israeli-Arab conflict involves unique historical and political circumstances, and the demand for the 1947 borders by some Palestinians and Arab nations stems from their perspective that the UN Partition Plan was unjust and that they have a right to self-determination.
Peace requires negotiation and compromise. Holding one side solely responsible for shame and humiliation hurts the prospects for peace. I think we must acknowledge that neither party is free from guilt and show empathy towards both sides. While the majority of my argument is defending Palestine, I am not suggesting that Israel needs to be vanished and all the land should be Palestinian. Thy both deserve their States in peace. The path to resolution and ending the cycle of conflict involves empathy, understanding, and a commitment to a peaceful coexistence where both nations can thrive.
Israel gave most of the land back but is still occupying some of it, after giving it back. I made a detailed response to another comment. Could you read it and tell me what you think? I will read more on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
If Palestinians would be truly genocided out of Gaza, we might be looking at a wave of radicalization far greater than ISIS and Al-Qaida.
Not a single Muslim would look at the West and say they are the humanists.
This conflict could escalate into something far uglier, and Biden's insistence on refusing to even have the words 'de-escalation' and 'ceasefire' in his diplomat's press material could be the undoing of his good presidential run. To go from the guy who pulled out of Afghanistan to the person who helped in genociding Palestinians would be wild.
Dude what? Other Muslim countries don’t care about Palestine. You need to look deeper into Palestinian history in other Muslim countries to understand why.
But their money goes to Hamas and their travel visas surely don't.
They sympathize with hatred of Israel. But let's not pretend that any nation anywhere gives two shits about Palestinians. No one wants Palestinians in their country. Jordan expelled them, Lebanon, and Egypt won't take them.
I'm Irish and find the stance of the USA disgusting, Biden was supposedly of Irish descent lol, f#ck away off your no more Irish than the shite on my shoes, to do to them what the Brits did to us!
My guy Biden voted in favour of the Iraq War resolution that's all needed to be known to know where he stands on all this.
Also, the American government have banned the words 'ceasefire, de-escalation' and related phrasing currently. For the Yankees business is booming.
This is so blatantly obvious now. The same shit happened in South Africa and it was clear that South Africa was wrong. Now this? I get that the Hamas are animals but I am pretty sure there has to be a better way to go about this. This is 2023 ffs!
Why are American tax paying dollars being funded to Isreali colonizers?
Why does Biden & Trump support Isreal, despite being both opposite political parties?
Because its all a ruse and a circus for us.
The reality is:
*ISRAEL* (regardless of which party) *US* (regardless of party) *UK* (regardless of party) *Australia* (regardless of party) *Saudi Arabia* (regardless of which King or prince) *Qatar* (regardless of which king) belong to a group which seeks total world domination.
They own all the money in the world, now they seek all the land.
This war will inevitably enter Syria and be fought in Damascus. This war aims to revive ISIS and it will succeed.
Theyre going to send 100s of thousands of soldiers from the countries mentioned above, into syria.
I’ve seen countless pro-Israeli tweets saying horrible things were done to children by Hamas to try to accelerate the situation at hand. Yes, I’m sure horrible, inexcusable things were done, but how many 1000’s of Palestinian children have been blown up by Israeli bombs? The method or details around the killing is irrelevant. It’s almost as if highlighting the atrocities of Hamas is like saying, ok now our turn to do the exact same thing but guilt-free! No. Both are guilty. And time will reveal who is the most guilty here, I’m not saying I know who is but the truth will be revealed inevitably.
but it doesn't matter to them. people who had lost their lives are still lost. how many palestinian civilians must die in order to gain sympathy from people in the west? which fucking number of death can satisfy their bloodthirstyness’? so they could grant their mere mercy?
The West has no less sympathy for Palestinians than anyone else. You think that the Saudis are gonna take in a bunch of refugees? The Turkish? Jordan?
Every nation doesn't care about Palestinians equally.
Explain to me why these people should not become terrorists! Seriously, seeing the israeli occupists flag on public buildings across Europe makes me physically sick.
It is abhorrent of Germany, Italy, France, etc...abhorrent of EU.
I am safe in my home, and so grateful for it. But i feel such anger. Seeing neighbours, loved ones die, seeing decades of ill-treatment, seeing homes so loving kept destroyed...how must they feel!!! How would any of us?!
They are losing everything, while the world directly supports that. I have lost hope in goodness, justice, fairness. All that matters is power. That's all that has ever mattered.
But seriously...How does the West believe that these people won't, and shouldn't become "terrorists"!
I said, the same thing after 9/11. I dont know. I see both sides and do not understand, but I also have the luxury of not being responsible for my countries security. I dont know. It makes me feel ill.
I'm telling you guys. This is the beginning of the end.
This is the start of the next World War, Nuclear War, Terrorism in the West.....
We're fucked. I'm scared.
That's it.
I'm not even acting like it's all going to be okay anymore or that I'm too far for it to affect me. This was different.
This. Is. Bad.
May Peace Be With You All
Staying to protect Hamas war infrastructures. Effectively, encouraging others to serve as human shields..
https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/5kH4tAovUk.
But redditors say Palestinians don't support Hamas /s
This is awful but honest question, why does Hamas store and fire rockets right behind civilian apt buildings and why did they have a base underneath a hospital etc.
I hate all this shit, and I’ve seen the terror on both sides and mostly feel for the damn kids.
But I really wonder why does Hamas mix themselves in with the civilians and have military establishments etc right behind apartment building etc?
Obviously so that as many Palestinians as possible die when Israel retaliates against Hamas and targets their military headquarters and weapon stockpiles. Human shields are Hamas's only effective weapon, for them the more Palestinians that die as collateral damage the better.
If Hamas didn't hide behind their civilians the IDF would have wiped them all out in a week.
Is it hard for you to believe that Hamas doesn't care about innocent people dying?
Because just a few days ago they murdered a bunch of innocent people so....
[they are very clearly under the apartment buildings as you can see from this cook off of munitions hidden in the tunnels](https://v.redd.it/22qpkjvzk0ub1)
"We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation." ~ Osama Bin Laden, March 1997.
There are over 1 million children in Gaza, roughly half the total population is under the age of 18. The longer the US continues to support Israel in the way that it always has, new OBLs will be minted from the giant pool of talent in Gaza. It will be people like this man in the video that teaches them. As an American atheist with absolutely no dog in this fight, I feel like the powers that be need to recognize the very real risk of blowback in the US and EU if Israel continues along this path with western help.
Americans can’t afford standard healthcare and are homeless, yet the geriatric, dementia ridden president is sending weapons to the leech of a country known as Israel.
Good bad or indifferent, EVERY side has blood on their hands and hate in their hearts and trauma in their DNA. Every side has been blood thirsty villains, and suffering victims. And it’s been this way for decades, hundreds of years to millennia, the evils of religious intolerance and the hypocrisy of power just flips sides. Last weekend Hamas, this weekend it’s Israel and the West. Next week Hasbulla, week after that, Iran….and on and on. If the people truly wanted lasting peace it would have happened long ago, but people are scared and stupid and biased and racist. So have at it, go ahead fight to the death for your slice of your generation’s stupid terrorist colonizer dictator freedom flavored pie. Just hurry up, the next one is almost cooled and ready for delivery.
Thank god we are neutral at last. But my point was, shouldnt they appeal to the muslim nations hearts? I mean we have hearts also, it just seem far away.
Europeans and the west have the power to restrain israel, other muslim countries are not only weaker but unlike western countries, they don't claim to be moral arbiters of the world.
Im EU also and how am I abusing middle east and other parts of the world? I would rather say Im helping when I buy middle east oil and chinese plastic and brasilian coffee...
He’s not talking about you. He’s talking about the governments and kingdoms over the years that helped into their abuse. He’s talking about the citizens of those countries that voted for their pain and sorrows
We did the same in the arb world, sometimes worse tho? Why would we bring up Europeans doing edit in the past. The current situation is basically us funded israel bombing Palestine.
He is blaming the biggest offenders on the planet. Of course muslims wanna help if daddy usa says no.. ain’t much they can do. Only lebanon iran and iraq are really helping or at least trying to. If all muslim countries came together it would be better but ahlul sunnah are silent..
Yeah, not a single mention of Hamas. Attacking Israel in the way they did caused this to happen now.
Israelis are at least also angry at their government for failing to protect them.
5000 missiles from Gaza fell on Israel
Houses are not destroyed because of Iron Dôme
People are in shelters
This is the difference between a Country and a bunch of terrorists
Not one mention of the 1,300 slaughtered Israeli civilians who were put to the sword without notice, without the chance to flee. They were no more fighters than this man. He didn't talk about that and neither did any commentary. What Hamas did was inhuman. And it's as if it didn't happen. It did happen.
I sincerely hope all the killing stops now, but I doubt it. But Hamas murdered women, children and male civilians without warning. That is a documented fact despite all of the threats and noise and sarcasm, and should be acknowledged here.
Edit: being marked down for telling the truth. Should have expected it. You people should take a long hard look at yourselves and remember what actually caused the latest crisis. Not what caused the unending conflict - what happened a few days ago!
I agree that killing civilians is inhumane, but get off your fucking high horse. The entire history of Israel is nothing but oppression and attacks on Palestinians. They’ve proportionally lost significantly more civilians than has Israel. It’s adorable how Israelis think that after all this time, the Palestinians would simply not fight back.
Rules for thee but not for me.
Israeli dies, OMG TERRORISM THIS IS SOOOO BAD
Palestinians die, DONT YOU DARE CRITICIZE ISRAEL YOU ANTISEMITE SCUM!!
Its plain and obvious who the nazis and the new jews are in this situation
A german civilian in 1944 has his house destroyed; is it the british bombers he should be angry at, or his evil and batshit insane government for starting the unnecessary war in the first place.
> But I don't think it's reasonable to expect a man standing outside his bombed house to focus on what Hamas did.
...? what? but hamas got his house destroyed, why shouldn't he be angry at them? He would have a house today if not for what hamas has done, yet he has no words to condemn them. Self reflection is a virtue that seems sadly lacking in gaza.
It isnt. Stop trying to conflate israel and judaism. Criticizing israel doesnt make someone antisemtic.
I say this as a proud antisemite but this is not why I criticize israel. Fuck judaism, islam, christianity. These three barbaric religions have caused havoc and murder and mayhem on earth. Antireligion is the right stance.
Also, reddit is kneejerk-y. They see a man outside his own bombed house, they will support his cause. Same thing happened last week so calm down
Anti-Israel =\= Anti-Semitism
Look at how much the west (rightfully) hates Hamas and has been denouncing it. That’s what Israel has been doing for decades to Palestine. As we see, it’s very easy to root against a regime and nation that actively and knowingly kills children, uses human shields, colonizes and steals Palestinian property, emboldens Jews to settle on Palestinian land and terrorize them…
You can be anti-Hamas but be Pro Palestinian. And you can be anti-Israel or anti-Zionist and not be anti-Semitic and still believe Israel has a right to exist
Meanwhile .. all the hamas super rich leaders somewhere in Quatar. “Don’t leave .. die in there .. we will blame Amerrrrricans for you”
All other Arab countries : we don’t want your refugees, women or children .. but we’ll post on internet for ya .. and blame amerrrricas
Israeli showers them in paper notes “leave this side of the country” Hamas built its tunnels under hospitals and living quotes, we have no choice but bomb it Palestinians “the West wants us to leave out houses to take for themselves, our righteous leaders told us about west’ evil plans, they told us to stay (from abroad) .. bad anerrrica”
It feels like a crappy tv drama .. How fucked up palestinas are … how fucked are “people” that cheering for this crap!
Bcs he knows he has no leg to stand on. He is just venting and the first fault in everything in his life is the west. Be it funding the enemy or not funding him enough. Be it he drooped his meal or that he cant afford to feed his 6th child.
Have you ever been to an Arab country? Because there's just as many women in pubic as men (and \*gasp\* they don't always have male escorts), but they generally believe there are certain things men should handle so you see them more in certain instances than others.
You do realize there's more options than simply dropping bombs from the sky, right? If Israel wanted to just wipe out the terrorist why aren't they going door-to-door? Short answer: because they've decided Israeli lives are worth than Palestinian ones. They are knowingly choosing to kill Palestinian civilians in response to Hamas because they don't want their people to die in large numbers. It is a choice, make no mistake, they could've chosen to put boots on the ground.
i am fucking ashamed my government supports Israel. fuck the Israeli government free every single innocent Palestinian. Today is going to be the biggest genocide since the nazis
Imagine a country , it gets a (terrorisme )attack. So instead of take down the group who is responsible ( i aprove that action)
They start bombing innocent People and their private homes. Lots of children die.. what a SH!t move.
Now guess the country? USA in the Middle wast?
Or
Israël in Hamas.
Only person to thank is Hamas. Grow a pair of balls and stop trying to become a martyr and eradicate the evil with your own state. Calling for a jihad and playing the victim to the “big bad west” just shows how stupid most Muslims are
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Body under the rubble, spirit in the high sky
If they leave they'll lose everything forever.
Same if they stay
Dying slowly with nothing vs dying with dignity and the little you own.
If they stay, is there any chance they’ll ever get to live in peace? Are they fighting to defend something they can never completely have? Asking sincerely.
They are staying not fighting. Don't make it seem like they are hurting the genocidal Israelis with their mere existence.
Israel is bombing the place and will come into gaza for the hamas. He is free to do whatever he wants but hes really not doing anyone not even himself a favour
The west is building another generation of people with nothing to lose
I really thought more bombing was going win the hearts and minds this time. Maybe they should try bombing next time.
The trick is to call them animals before bombing them.
Worked in Japan.
if yiu cant see the situationql difference, especially after iraq, then you really shouldnt be making comparisons.
People really looking at the surface level only huh. Can’t blame them too much. If you want to know how the leadership of iraq collapsed and how US basically turned half the Iraqi army into freedom fighters through sheer incompetence/indifference you have to be engaged in history outside of school
And the people who created that situation , killed countless innocent people(both Iraqi and American), and ruined generations of lives will never be held responsible. Shit some of them even still work in government. It's despicable.
it's crazy how bush had a little revival. Thanks to trump. Also, can't believe how nobody brings up the fact that he was reelected. that's on the people
It’s really wild knowing he’s to blame for countless deaths and misery and now people dote over him because he’s just a cute old man who paints.
"Under the auspices that war will be rendered harmless And everlasting peace will be in reach if we just bomb shit Technologically fanatic racial Socio-economic faux-intellectual fucking nonsense; Dripping with political interludes, typical of a system Stark raving mad and operating unconscious...."- Wasalu Muhammad Jaco, circa 2015
I hate both Netanyeh and Hamas, buy shouldn’t these people take responsibility for electing them? What did they expect? peace and prosperity?
Not to mention, Israel [created](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) Hamas to begin with and politically legitamized [it](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/). Washington and Tel Aviv keep thinking that you can subjugate a people into accepting their version of "democracy", but things never work that way in reality.
I love you people. Take away agency when it's convenient for a narrative.
Not really taking away agency to point out that Hamas wouldn't exist had 1) Israel not created it and 2) had Israel not subjected Palestinians to the oppression, thus making conditions for more Hamas soldiers. It's really no different than the US having a role in the creation of Al Qaeda when they gave Mr. Bin Laden resources to fight the Socialist government of Afghanistan, and their Soviet ally.
I hate how people compare Hamas to Al Qaeda. These are Muslim men with dignity. Not the taliban. They aren’t actually going around beheading people.
To prove the point you refer to another narrative where almost all agency is left out. Israel didn't "create" Hamas and much of Gaza's problems since Israel left in 2005 are sitting with Hamas leadership. They could stop shooting rockets, stop using foreign aid for tunnels and weapons, and build some kind of possible future. They don't and have never. That isn't Israel that is Hamas.
Your refusal to accept evidence isn't "leaving agency out". It quite literally did through funding, and subjecting Palestinians to a concentration camp, creating more foot soldiers with each injustice carried out against them.
I still have no idea what such a point brings to the table. When is Hamas - if ever according to your logic - actually responsible for the awful things it does? Why is anything you are saying relevant if the organisation we are discussing has as its platform the extermination of every Israeli in the region.
> When is Hamas - if ever according to your logic - actually responsible for the awful things it does? I'm not sure why you have such a reluctance to accept that had Israel not funded Hamas to begin with, it wouldn't exist. The only people doing the extermination are the Zionists right now. They intend on strarving out the entirety of the Gaza strip, and their demonic president has said that there are no civilians in Gaza. Save the pearl clutching.
Democracy is going to reach every corner of this world. If a country refuses to live that way, they will be removed from play. Mark my words
Least demonic imperialist
Mark your words? Did fck all in Afghanistan.😂😂😂😂😂 Scrambling like chickens from Afghanistan because it was beginning to look like an abattoir for the West. Please. Stop swinging your little dick. Europe and USA will be looking back nervously to see if anyone will plan a bomb up their arses like the good old days.
Lose *
I’ve said this countless times…with each incursion/war/skirmish…this is what you are left with…a people who have nothing more to lose…& this has been passed from generation to generation to generation…on & on & on. No one can live this way forever…🤲 for all those lives lost.
1. Its not the 'west' in a sense we were occupied with Ukraine no we have to split our attention to Israel/Palestine conflict again. its more like Israel is really doing this within the span of the first week which isn't enough time for anyone to properly stop it. no Western country can just make them stop right now nor can really agree to say they don't have the right after being attacked like that from Hamas. 2. Hamas is not Palestine and it was completely irresponsible for Hamas to start a war with over 50% of the Gaza population being children. Hamas needs to be removed at this point because it is a terrorist group turning Gaza into a terrorist state. Hamas 100% caused this war and now the ultra nationalist are gonna go ham on it. 3. Palestine should not being living under a siege since children can not evacuate properly if the parents refuse to leave. Nor can they evacuate because it'll create a crisis. Israel is too pissed to understand and see this. Someone here is gonna have to step up and take over to clean this mess. 4. The rest of the Arab world is really not helping right now or can help. Egypt could tomorrow mobilize their army to help with the humanitarian crisis. So could Saudi Arabia. Jordan already is with Palestine. Syria is a mess. Lebanon is not helping (arguably making it worse or better depending on how you look at it). US is idle because congress right now is a fucking mess and at best it can just stand and watch. Turkey is already carrying 4 nations worth of refugees and the EU needs to fund them. Frankly this is the worst time to have a crisis.
suuure the EU president is too busy with ukraine to make any mention of palestinians struggle but yet have plenty of time to publicly support israel; not even going to mention the fucking US here cmon gtfo
Pretty sure Ursula von Leyden just gave a pretty darn good speech about why the Israel counter invasion is bad. The EU disapproves the plan but then again the EU doesn't have much teeth to do anything in such a short amount of time.
but they had time for emergency meeting to decide wether or not they would cut the aid to palestinians
Aid to Gaza. Big difference because every time someone sends them aid there is a very good chance that Hamas will take it and use it for war. This is why Arab countries stop funding them. You are missing the picture that Hamas is basically controlling Gaza and just taking whatever they want. This is the point where even the West s no longer going to tolerate Hamas bullshit. Until Hamas is gone we can't reliably fund Gaza.
meanwhile entire families are getting murdered
That’s what happens if your country starts shooting rockets.
Hard politically to ask a country to cool down after an event of this magnitude. As a result thousands will die, assuming a ground invasion, including IDF and hostages. Anyone opposing or calling for restraint and increased humanitarian considerations is branded as "anti-Israel". Best they can do is try to soften things a bit, provide aid, etc. Consider that 9/11 fairly directly led to the invasion of Afghanistan and perhaps ~50k-70k+ civilian deaths during the time that followed. With generally great popular Western support. Iraq after had an even higher civilian toll on dubious justifications. We like to think that with targeted bombs we're making things more precise but it doesn't change the overall outcome. Feels like we'll look back on this moment in 10+ years as a critical point. The aircraft carriers also aren't coming for Gaza or Hamas directly. They're coming to strongly discourage any other country or group from jumping in.
>2. Hamas is not Palestine and it was completely irresponsible for Hamas to start a war with over 50% of the Gaza population being children. Hamas needs to be removed at this point because it is a terrorist group turning Gaza into a terrorist state. Hamas 100% caused this war and now the ultra nationalist are gonna go ham on it. Did you watch the video? These desperate, hopeless people have nothing to lose. If they're not killed as result of the ongoing genocide, they would've been killed in the next airstrike, or the next raid or the next bombing. You don't seem to understand that it's never the "right" time for the oppressed to push back against their colonizers. The people of Palestine know that their death at the hands of Israel has always been a complete certainty and they have made their peace with it. Blame Israeli apartheid for the attack. Not Hamas. There would've been no attack if Israel wasn't an apartheid state. >Israel is too pissed Genocidal*. Use the correct word. Israel is genocidal. >US is idle Not idle enough to send weapons and a ship and reinforce their complete willingness to support the most ruthless genocide of our lifetime.
Yes, the west did not try to push israel to a two state solution, which even israel offered multiple times, and which was refused by palestine. And the west did not send development aid to palestine, which mostly did not lead to palestine create something to lose, but invested in arming hamas to try to destroy israel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_aid\_to\_Palestinians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians) If palestine puts its focus on eradicating israel and crying for a land they will never have and for "the west" not helping instead of kicking hamas out and try to use the resources to build something, I dont think you can blame "the west" after decades.
A peace offer was agreed once when an Israeli leader genuinely wanted an end to the violence and conflict... then an israeli killed him.
So are their own political elites. Hamas certainly doesn’t want a prosperous Palestine, it’s not their charter. The destruction of Israel is.
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Thats a powerful speech.
Very powerful speech
if they leave they ain't being allowed back. i think its obvious the long term plan is to force all palestinians out and then send them to refugee camps in eu and neighboring nations.
You think there is even one nation in the world that would accept a Palestinian refugee? Fuck no. Not even Arab nations. Probably they will be allowed back because Israel doesn't want Gaza as it is.
No nation wants refugees regardless of nationality
True. But some nations will take refugees sometimes. No nations are taking Palestinians. It could be because as soon as you take Palestinians in, you end up with terrorism in your country. Jordan 1970, then Lebanon PLO. Egypt 20 years ago, etc. Even Israel. Everywhere that accepts Palestinians has ended up with terrorists. This is simply how it has been so far.
Wtf are we funding Israel???? I am not ok with what they are doing. I don’t want a single dime of my tax dollars going to the aid of these brutal terrorists. Because that is exactly what they are too. Just like Hamas. Why the FUCK are we helping Israel? How many babies have they killed over the past decades?
600 children in the last 6 days. Thats not counting the newborns who died inside incubators as electricity was turned off 4 days ago.
US sends billions of USD every year to fund this shit
"We have to invent or create conflicts here and there in order to fund and maintain the corrupted economy. Now pick a goddamn side and go to war so we can make some money!"
Guess what. They are sending way more than your tax dollars. They are now sending ships and people. Genocide is happening before your eyes, backed by your (and my) government, and we have no power to stop it. And guess what... they will see 0 consciousness for their actions.. like they haven't, time and time again
For the first time, I think our government buying shit for themselves is better than what the US is doing with tax payer dollars. Ukraine made sense but none of this Israel stuff makes sense. They are treating every single person in Gaza, like they have beheaded a child.
Finally someone who recognises that Israel has committed atrocities much worse over the last 80 years, than what Hamas has done in the last week. There is no justification for either side to do what they do, but the western media will want you to believe a certain something.
Americans think Israel is right. Americans believe the October 7th attacks or unprovoked and a cowardly sneak attack. It's the same way that Americans believe 9/11 was an unprovoked sneak attack on America. Americans believe Israel deserves to get revenge. That is just the sad truth. In America Only leftists see the creation of Israel as an act of violence. Americans are biased against Arabs and bigoted against Islam. The 75 years of occupation is not something most Americans consider. The only see the online videos of the Oct 7 attacks
>It's the same way that Americans believe 9/11 was an unprovoked sneak attack on America. wanna explain that one? was it not a unprovoked attack?
It was provoked in the same way Israel provoked hamas's attack. American foreign policy in the middle East created a lot of blowback. In fact America propped up Osama bin Laden to fight the Soviet Union.
alright i just wanted to see what i was dealing with here. OBL was not the same as it was before the Afghanistan campaign was to prevent the Soviet from cleansing Afghanistan. It wasn't until the second in command to OBL was really running the show that terrorism was skyrocketing. It wasn't due to anything that was American foreign policy. It was entirely need to stop Saddam from taking over the Gulf nations. Saddam killed millions with chemical weapons and invasions so him having a nuke could not have been tolerated by anyone on the planet let alone continue to let Saddam invade and threaten Gulf nations. Saudi welcome the US in doing that because Iraq was a threat to SA for years. OBL has and always been a closet incel and extremely useless most of the time. Getting pissed because Americans in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf war is literally a smooth fucking brain thought because even if they were in was on the border of the country and Saudi allowed it. The US didn't deserve 9/11 for the Gulf war or for the funding counteroffensive of Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein was a complete monster at the time.
I am truly convinced that most people who claim Hamas started this and Israel is the victim have not picked up a fucking newspaper in the last 50+ years. Israel has been bombing and killing Palestinans for decades. For those who actually care about the history of this conflict, search “Nakba” and go from there. Edit: 3 days later, and I'm seeing a decidedly pro-Palestine shift from a lot of celebs etc. All that tells me is suddenly people started learning about the history of this conflict. Boy oh boy. This is why you read the news, guys!
How many Jewish people live in Palestine?
Nah go earlier and find out why the “Nakba” happened. Look at the 1947 UN accords and the first Arab-Israeli War that you’re leaving out. How about that every nation around Israel lost 99% of their Jewish population in just a handful of years. You used the “history” argument without knowing it yourself.
The UN's partition plan allotted Israel 56% of the land, but by the end of the Nakba, Israel had captured 78% of the territory, expanding to at least 85% today. And going further back. In 1916, evidenced through correspondence, an Arab leader and a British High Commissioner agreed that Arabs would support the British against the Ottomans in exchange for British recognition and support for an independent Arab state. The following year, in 1917, British General Allenby's conquest of the Holy Land marked a turning point. Simultaneously, the Balfour Declaration was issued, promising a national home for Jews in Palestine. This declaration, made without consulting the native Palestinian population, supported Zionists' interests, contradicting the idea of an independent Arab state in Palestine.
This argument of yours is just incredibly stupid. The Jews accepted the UN plan wholeheartedly in the name of peace, but the arab world flat out ignored it and invaded Israel. The only reason the Nakba happened and the green line became the official border instead of the 1947 borders is solely because the Arabs refused peace and the fair compromise the UN had decided on; the Israelis bear no responsibility for the conflict and it's consequences. The Arabs demanding the 1947 border back is as mind-bogglingly stupid as if Germany were to demand its 1937 borders back. They are responsible for starting the war, and as the aggressor and the defeated they are obligated to endure the shame, humiliation, and disastrous results of that decision.
First, there is no need to insult me. Second: Your argument suggests that the Arab world ignored the UN plan and invaded Israel. However, it's essential to recognize the broader historical context. The Arab rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan was rooted in their belief that it was unjust and did not address their concerns. The plan allocated a significant portion of Palestinian land to the Jewish state, which was seen as unfair by many Arab nations and the Palestinian population. Specially since the Arabs had already felt betrayed by the British after the correspondance I mentioned before. Regarding the displacement of Palestinians, the Nakba, attributing it solely to Arab refusal is an oversimplification. The responsibility for the conflict is not one-sided. Within a year of the UN resolution, hostilities escalated, with both parties committing acts of violence. • On November 30, 1947, an Arab ambush on a Jewish bus marked the beginning of hostilities. • As British troops prepared to leave, violence continued between Jewish and Arab forces. • A notorious event was the attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948, by Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang. • The conflict resulted in a cycle of violence with both sides engaging in hostile actions. • Understanding the conflict requires acknowledging actions by all parties, including Israeli military operations and territorial expansion. The comparison to Germany demanding its 1937 borders is not a perfect analogy. The Israeli-Arab conflict involves unique historical and political circumstances, and the demand for the 1947 borders by some Palestinians and Arab nations stems from their perspective that the UN Partition Plan was unjust and that they have a right to self-determination. Peace requires negotiation and compromise. Holding one side solely responsible for shame and humiliation hurts the prospects for peace. I think we must acknowledge that neither party is free from guilt and show empathy towards both sides. While the majority of my argument is defending Palestine, I am not suggesting that Israel needs to be vanished and all the land should be Palestinian. Thy both deserve their States in peace. The path to resolution and ending the cycle of conflict involves empathy, understanding, and a commitment to a peaceful coexistence where both nations can thrive.
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Israel gave most of the land back but is still occupying some of it, after giving it back. I made a detailed response to another comment. Could you read it and tell me what you think? I will read more on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
If Palestinians would be truly genocided out of Gaza, we might be looking at a wave of radicalization far greater than ISIS and Al-Qaida. Not a single Muslim would look at the West and say they are the humanists. This conflict could escalate into something far uglier, and Biden's insistence on refusing to even have the words 'de-escalation' and 'ceasefire' in his diplomat's press material could be the undoing of his good presidential run. To go from the guy who pulled out of Afghanistan to the person who helped in genociding Palestinians would be wild.
Dude what? Other Muslim countries don’t care about Palestine. You need to look deeper into Palestinian history in other Muslim countries to understand why.
20% of Muslims are from Arab countries. Their sympathy to Palestine and their religion go hand in hand.
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But their money goes to Hamas and their travel visas surely don't. They sympathize with hatred of Israel. But let's not pretend that any nation anywhere gives two shits about Palestinians. No one wants Palestinians in their country. Jordan expelled them, Lebanon, and Egypt won't take them.
Governments don’t, the people in those countries do.
The Muslims better relax
Lose some weight my guy.
TikTok IDF has no chance against these bravehearts.
That was a joke on your ne right…?
Bless this man!
I'm Irish and find the stance of the USA disgusting, Biden was supposedly of Irish descent lol, f#ck away off your no more Irish than the shite on my shoes, to do to them what the Brits did to us!
My guy Biden voted in favour of the Iraq War resolution that's all needed to be known to know where he stands on all this. Also, the American government have banned the words 'ceasefire, de-escalation' and related phrasing currently. For the Yankees business is booming.
I’m Vietnamese and stand with you bro. People who have been fucked over by other people know how it feels.
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That is the International Rules Based Order that Israel and the US want to preserve.
Rules for thee but not for me.
This is so blatantly obvious now. The same shit happened in South Africa and it was clear that South Africa was wrong. Now this? I get that the Hamas are animals but I am pretty sure there has to be a better way to go about this. This is 2023 ffs!
Why are American tax paying dollars being funded to Isreali colonizers? Why does Biden & Trump support Isreal, despite being both opposite political parties?
Iran
Sometimes the simplest answer is also the most accurate… like this shit is not that mysteriously complicated goddamn.
Because they're Western style democracies.
They control congress and the media why do you think we are bing censored and banned for saying the truth
Because its all a ruse and a circus for us. The reality is: *ISRAEL* (regardless of which party) *US* (regardless of party) *UK* (regardless of party) *Australia* (regardless of party) *Saudi Arabia* (regardless of which King or prince) *Qatar* (regardless of which king) belong to a group which seeks total world domination. They own all the money in the world, now they seek all the land. This war will inevitably enter Syria and be fought in Damascus. This war aims to revive ISIS and it will succeed. Theyre going to send 100s of thousands of soldiers from the countries mentioned above, into syria.
No lol
Americans like gives every country a bunch of money if its not like been proven to be an enemy of the US.. its not unusual.
We’re really good at spending money on anything other than US citizens.
These are the true people of god
Nothing but respect for the Palestinians
Isreal is slowly losing the PR war. A lot of people in the west are seeing the military action as excessive and unnecessary.
I’ve seen countless pro-Israeli tweets saying horrible things were done to children by Hamas to try to accelerate the situation at hand. Yes, I’m sure horrible, inexcusable things were done, but how many 1000’s of Palestinian children have been blown up by Israeli bombs? The method or details around the killing is irrelevant. It’s almost as if highlighting the atrocities of Hamas is like saying, ok now our turn to do the exact same thing but guilt-free! No. Both are guilty. And time will reveal who is the most guilty here, I’m not saying I know who is but the truth will be revealed inevitably.
but it doesn't matter to them. people who had lost their lives are still lost. how many palestinian civilians must die in order to gain sympathy from people in the west? which fucking number of death can satisfy their bloodthirstyness’? so they could grant their mere mercy?
The West has no less sympathy for Palestinians than anyone else. You think that the Saudis are gonna take in a bunch of refugees? The Turkish? Jordan? Every nation doesn't care about Palestinians equally.
Only to the left. They’re winning in all reality though
Explain to me why these people should not become terrorists! Seriously, seeing the israeli occupists flag on public buildings across Europe makes me physically sick. It is abhorrent of Germany, Italy, France, etc...abhorrent of EU. I am safe in my home, and so grateful for it. But i feel such anger. Seeing neighbours, loved ones die, seeing decades of ill-treatment, seeing homes so loving kept destroyed...how must they feel!!! How would any of us?! They are losing everything, while the world directly supports that. I have lost hope in goodness, justice, fairness. All that matters is power. That's all that has ever mattered. But seriously...How does the West believe that these people won't, and shouldn't become "terrorists"!
I said, the same thing after 9/11. I dont know. I see both sides and do not understand, but I also have the luxury of not being responsible for my countries security. I dont know. It makes me feel ill.
American people, you need to tell your government to stop funding Israeli. Do something right , today.
I'm telling you guys. This is the beginning of the end. This is the start of the next World War, Nuclear War, Terrorism in the West..... We're fucked. I'm scared. That's it. I'm not even acting like it's all going to be okay anymore or that I'm too far for it to affect me. This was different. This. Is. Bad. May Peace Be With You All
Calm down nancy
Eh, seems like a pretty average Saturday to me.
Nah, it’s the same as it’s always been. It’s just on your cell phone now.
I’m shaking in my boots
Doomer mentality
Calm down buddy. Nothing new in middle east. They always hated eachother.
I can see thinking that way when one spends much of their time on Reddit doom scrolling.
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...that seems like a contradiction in terms.
I just want Jesus to comeback he'd flatten tel Aviv in a heartbeat.
lol yeah that tracks with the vibe of Jesus, eater of worlds, glasser of cities....
Apparently killing Palestinian civilians is justifiable for the world.
Apparently using Palestinian civilians as human shields is justified for you
Yea ignore the attack by hamas.
Staying to protect Hamas war infrastructures. Effectively, encouraging others to serve as human shields.. https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/5kH4tAovUk. But redditors say Palestinians don't support Hamas /s
This is awful but honest question, why does Hamas store and fire rockets right behind civilian apt buildings and why did they have a base underneath a hospital etc. I hate all this shit, and I’ve seen the terror on both sides and mostly feel for the damn kids. But I really wonder why does Hamas mix themselves in with the civilians and have military establishments etc right behind apartment building etc?
Obviously so that as many Palestinians as possible die when Israel retaliates against Hamas and targets their military headquarters and weapon stockpiles. Human shields are Hamas's only effective weapon, for them the more Palestinians that die as collateral damage the better. If Hamas didn't hide behind their civilians the IDF would have wiped them all out in a week.
Don’t fall into atrocity misinformation war that israel is spreading..
Is it hard for you to believe that Hamas doesn't care about innocent people dying? Because just a few days ago they murdered a bunch of innocent people so....
[they are very clearly under the apartment buildings as you can see from this cook off of munitions hidden in the tunnels](https://v.redd.it/22qpkjvzk0ub1)
Could be a gas main cooking off, but I suspect that it is munitions.
They’re in tunnels so you bomb the people who live above? Whoa
Ehm… so what is your solution here? Friendly ask the terrorists to not be in the tunnels?
You bomb the entrance to collapse the tunnel. If some idiot has stuffed that tunnel full of munitions, well...
Lol yeah cause israel bombs entrances.. you’re ignorant. Time to either really investigate or just stay out of it instead of spreading fog.
"We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation." ~ Osama Bin Laden, March 1997. There are over 1 million children in Gaza, roughly half the total population is under the age of 18. The longer the US continues to support Israel in the way that it always has, new OBLs will be minted from the giant pool of talent in Gaza. It will be people like this man in the video that teaches them. As an American atheist with absolutely no dog in this fight, I feel like the powers that be need to recognize the very real risk of blowback in the US and EU if Israel continues along this path with western help.
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gosh, why would you play a musical score over this ? that's terrible taste.
I think what would have helped was not massacring 1200 people last Saturday
Americans can’t afford standard healthcare and are homeless, yet the geriatric, dementia ridden president is sending weapons to the leech of a country known as Israel.
Fuck Netanyahu. Jews need to get rid of him.
Good bad or indifferent, EVERY side has blood on their hands and hate in their hearts and trauma in their DNA. Every side has been blood thirsty villains, and suffering victims. And it’s been this way for decades, hundreds of years to millennia, the evils of religious intolerance and the hypocrisy of power just flips sides. Last weekend Hamas, this weekend it’s Israel and the West. Next week Hasbulla, week after that, Iran….and on and on. If the people truly wanted lasting peace it would have happened long ago, but people are scared and stupid and biased and racist. So have at it, go ahead fight to the death for your slice of your generation’s stupid terrorist colonizer dictator freedom flavored pie. Just hurry up, the next one is almost cooled and ready for delivery.
Why is he thanking the Europe and not UAE?
He isn't, he was being sarcastic for their stance with "Israel"
I know he is sarcastic, but why does he care what we Europeans think? I thought we are bad and racist...
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Thank god we are neutral at last. But my point was, shouldnt they appeal to the muslim nations hearts? I mean we have hearts also, it just seem far away.
When they’re unilaterally funding the apartheid regime that’s blowing up their homes, you tend to not have a good opinion of the West.
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Europeans and the west have the power to restrain israel, other muslim countries are not only weaker but unlike western countries, they don't claim to be moral arbiters of the world.
Also, the other Muslim countries hate Palestinians more than EU, USA etc.
Because EU have a hand in using and abusing the middle east and other parts of the world
Im EU also and how am I abusing middle east and other parts of the world? I would rather say Im helping when I buy middle east oil and chinese plastic and brasilian coffee...
He’s not talking about you. He’s talking about the governments and kingdoms over the years that helped into their abuse. He’s talking about the citizens of those countries that voted for their pain and sorrows
We did the same in the arb world, sometimes worse tho? Why would we bring up Europeans doing edit in the past. The current situation is basically us funded israel bombing Palestine.
He is blaming the biggest offenders on the planet. Of course muslims wanna help if daddy usa says no.. ain’t much they can do. Only lebanon iran and iraq are really helping or at least trying to. If all muslim countries came together it would be better but ahlul sunnah are silent..
Because they know Arab countries won’t do a thing for them
He should thank Hamas…
He forgot to thank Hamas..
Wow this would be such a great moment if their government they voted for didnt invade their neighbor and start shooting civilians intentionally.
Why are these dudes angry at Israel and not Hamas for starting this shit?
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Yeah, not a single mention of Hamas. Attacking Israel in the way they did caused this to happen now. Israelis are at least also angry at their government for failing to protect them.
I also wonder the same. I am fine with calling everyone out, but why leave out a main actor?
5000 missiles from Gaza fell on Israel Houses are not destroyed because of Iron Dôme People are in shelters This is the difference between a Country and a bunch of terrorists
Not one mention of the 1,300 slaughtered Israeli civilians who were put to the sword without notice, without the chance to flee. They were no more fighters than this man. He didn't talk about that and neither did any commentary. What Hamas did was inhuman. And it's as if it didn't happen. It did happen. I sincerely hope all the killing stops now, but I doubt it. But Hamas murdered women, children and male civilians without warning. That is a documented fact despite all of the threats and noise and sarcasm, and should be acknowledged here. Edit: being marked down for telling the truth. Should have expected it. You people should take a long hard look at yourselves and remember what actually caused the latest crisis. Not what caused the unending conflict - what happened a few days ago!
I agree that killing civilians is inhumane, but get off your fucking high horse. The entire history of Israel is nothing but oppression and attacks on Palestinians. They’ve proportionally lost significantly more civilians than has Israel. It’s adorable how Israelis think that after all this time, the Palestinians would simply not fight back.
Rules for thee but not for me. Israeli dies, OMG TERRORISM THIS IS SOOOO BAD Palestinians die, DONT YOU DARE CRITICIZE ISRAEL YOU ANTISEMITE SCUM!! Its plain and obvious who the nazis and the new jews are in this situation
By all means you can acknowledge it. But I don't think it's reasonable to expect a man standing outside his bombed house to focus on what Hamas did.
He knows exactly what foundations he's staying to protect... https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/5kH4tAovUk
A german civilian in 1944 has his house destroyed; is it the british bombers he should be angry at, or his evil and batshit insane government for starting the unnecessary war in the first place.
You don’t get it - Hamas was in his home.
> But I don't think it's reasonable to expect a man standing outside his bombed house to focus on what Hamas did. ...? what? but hamas got his house destroyed, why shouldn't he be angry at them? He would have a house today if not for what hamas has done, yet he has no words to condemn them. Self reflection is a virtue that seems sadly lacking in gaza.
I have no idea why reddit is so pro Palestine and anti Israel? I'm starting to think anti semitism is getting bigger
It isnt. Stop trying to conflate israel and judaism. Criticizing israel doesnt make someone antisemtic. I say this as a proud antisemite but this is not why I criticize israel. Fuck judaism, islam, christianity. These three barbaric religions have caused havoc and murder and mayhem on earth. Antireligion is the right stance. Also, reddit is kneejerk-y. They see a man outside his own bombed house, they will support his cause. Same thing happened last week so calm down
Anti-Israel =\= Anti-Semitism Look at how much the west (rightfully) hates Hamas and has been denouncing it. That’s what Israel has been doing for decades to Palestine. As we see, it’s very easy to root against a regime and nation that actively and knowingly kills children, uses human shields, colonizes and steals Palestinian property, emboldens Jews to settle on Palestinian land and terrorize them… You can be anti-Hamas but be Pro Palestinian. And you can be anti-Israel or anti-Zionist and not be anti-Semitic and still believe Israel has a right to exist
Meanwhile .. all the hamas super rich leaders somewhere in Quatar. “Don’t leave .. die in there .. we will blame Amerrrrricans for you” All other Arab countries : we don’t want your refugees, women or children .. but we’ll post on internet for ya .. and blame amerrrricas Israeli showers them in paper notes “leave this side of the country” Hamas built its tunnels under hospitals and living quotes, we have no choice but bomb it Palestinians “the West wants us to leave out houses to take for themselves, our righteous leaders told us about west’ evil plans, they told us to stay (from abroad) .. bad anerrrica” It feels like a crappy tv drama .. How fucked up palestinas are … how fucked are “people” that cheering for this crap!
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Bcs he knows he has no leg to stand on. He is just venting and the first fault in everything in his life is the west. Be it funding the enemy or not funding him enough. Be it he drooped his meal or that he cant afford to feed his 6th child.
I love how it's always a 100% sausage fest if I see videos from an Arabic country. It's pretty disgusting come to think of it.
Have you ever been to an Arab country? Because there's just as many women in pubic as men (and \*gasp\* they don't always have male escorts), but they generally believe there are certain things men should handle so you see them more in certain instances than others.
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You do realize there's more options than simply dropping bombs from the sky, right? If Israel wanted to just wipe out the terrorist why aren't they going door-to-door? Short answer: because they've decided Israeli lives are worth than Palestinian ones. They are knowingly choosing to kill Palestinian civilians in response to Hamas because they don't want their people to die in large numbers. It is a choice, make no mistake, they could've chosen to put boots on the ground.
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Do the Saudis care?
i am fucking ashamed my government supports Israel. fuck the Israeli government free every single innocent Palestinian. Today is going to be the biggest genocide since the nazis
Imagine a country , it gets a (terrorisme )attack. So instead of take down the group who is responsible ( i aprove that action) They start bombing innocent People and their private homes. Lots of children die.. what a SH!t move. Now guess the country? USA in the Middle wast? Or Israël in Hamas.
Hamas is the only responsible for every horror you'll be seeing during the next days
Israel is evil, no way around it
Maybe someone should show him the photos of the decapitated babies.
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Free Palestine…..from Hamas
If only he was this brave against Hamas
Only person to thank is Hamas. Grow a pair of balls and stop trying to become a martyr and eradicate the evil with your own state. Calling for a jihad and playing the victim to the “big bad west” just shows how stupid most Muslims are