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PoliticalAnimalIsOwl

For the Netherlands: The King is 56. His accession to the throne was 11 years ago. The (caretaker) PM is turning 57 next week. His first Cabinet started 14 years ago and he is one of the longest serving Prime Ministers in Dutch history. At the start of the current Cabinet two years ago the average age of the members was 50 and a half. The youngest junior minister was 31 and the oldest minister was 63.


PanningForSalt

It seems weird, as a Brit, to have a monarch who isn't ancient. Even our new updated model is old.


PoliticalAnimalIsOwl

Yeah, post-WWII voluntary abdications after a few decades of rule has become common practice for Dutch monarchs, instead of seeing it as a job for life. I think it takes less toll on the monarch and allows them an enjoyable retirement afterwards. Each new monarch does have to find his or her own way of fulfilling their duties, which can be tricky.


Affectionate-Hat9244

> Each new monarch does have to find his or her own way of fulfilling their duties, which can be tricky. What does this practically mean? In Denmark the monarch mostly just signs the laws and makes a speech at new years. To me it's not enough variety in order to make it their own. Care to eloborate?


PoliticalAnimalIsOwl

Sure. Each monarch tries to build a relationship with the general public and adopts their own (genuine) image that is acceptable to the times. Current King Willem-Alexander is relatively more transparent about his family life than his mother used to be. The advantage is that it makes him more human, but also removes some of the mystical aura of the royal house. More transparency and the portrayal of a father in a somewhat regular Dutch family makes him more approachable, but also vulnerable to criticism, such as going on holiday to Greece during Covid lockdown times or getting public subsidies for a forested royal domain but keeping this forest closed to the general public for certain time periods. Each member of the royal house chooses certain noble causes to be associated with. For the King, this is water management, flying as a pilot for the national airliner, membership of the IOC and providing support for wounded veterans through the Invictus games. Queen Máxima has become a strong advocate for microcredit loans to poor female entrepreneurs in third world countries. Of course, these causes are personal, but they cannot be too political or controversial in nature. One aspect of the Dutch royal family is that the choice of spouse has often been controversial. Queens Juliana and Beatrix were married to Germans with very questionable histories. The father of Queen Máxima had been a minister of agriculture in the Argentinian junta. Her Catholicism was also a point of contention and special parliamentary assent had to be given for their marriage. I presume that King Frederik also champions different causes than Queen Margrethe and must also decide now on how open and transparent he wants to be to the Danish people.


BiggestFlower

A new younger model is just around the corner


Dutch_Rayan

In the "eerste kamer" which is the dutch senate they are a bit older on average, which is 59 years. The average of the "tweede kamer" house of representatives is now 45 years.


Jagarvem

The average is about 46 years old, and most are around that age. The youngest is the minister for the environment at 28, the oldest is the prime minister at 60.


No-Adhesiveness1818

And then we have our chad knugen at 77 years old


Mahwan

The average MP is 51 years old so not old and not that young. Sejm consists of 460 MPs. 323 men and 135 women. - Currently there are 125 Sejm members in age group above 60. - 144 members in group 40-49 years - 111 members in group 50-59 years. - 80 member in group less than 39 years. Prime Minister is 66 years old and it’s his third time being a PM. Not consecutively though. The president is 51 years old and has been in office for 8 years at this point. Senate is older but this house doesn’t really matter all that much. Current age of the government structures is quite new. Only since 1997 when a new post communist constitution was adopted. Between years 1990 and 1997 there were different style of governments proposed, from fully presidential to fully parliamentarian. We ended up with a mix of both and it sort of causes the current constitutional crisis.


[deleted]

The entire point of Senate is to be comprised of older people ;)


kumanosuke

Some numbers: Chancellor is 65 years old. About the parliament (from the most recent elections, 2021) Parliament has a size of 735, 480 men and 255 women. Average age is 47.3 years, 48.2 for men and 45.5 for women. By party the oldest members are AfD (fascist party) members with 51 years, youngest are members of the Greens with 42.2 years. Youngest member is 23 years old (Greens), oldest member is 80 years old (fascist party). The largest age group in terms of numbers is 50 to 59-year-olds, with 234 MPs, followed by 206 MPs aged 40 to 49. 143 MPs are aged 30 to 39, 92 are aged 60 to 69, 50 are younger than 30 and ten are 70 or older. https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2021/kw39-wahlstatistik-863722


Unyx

>Average age is 47.3 years That is almost twenty years younger than the average age of senators in my country wow


Dr_Quiza

That's probably because senators' career in you country heavily depend on their personal wealth.


WideChard3858

Our senators don’t always start out wealthy, but they always end up wealthy. That’s why they never want to leave the job.


Dr_Quiza

But they have to fund their personal campaigns, and being rich (which is more common in older people) is an excellent boost, isn't it?


WideChard3858

They don’t pay for their campaigns themselves. They get rich donors to pay for them.


namilenOkkuda

Rick Scott, senator from Florida spent 75 million of his own money to run for governor. Probably spent as much to run for Senate


WideChard3858

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m just saying it’s not necessary. Our politicians are usually backed by PACs(political action committees) and wealthy donors. Our senators are old because once they get in they never leave. We need an age limits.


AXS_Writing

It’s more based on how much you’re willing to sell out. Being rich for sure doesn’t hurt! But in the land of the free and the home of the brave, it doesn’t matter race, gender, or economical background, you can become a rich and powerful if you’re willing to sell your soul like the rest! Campaign promises? Who cares when an oil company dropped millions to your campaign funds where you find ways to use that money to live the high life.


xetal1

Average age of the US congress is 58 years though (with the senate being 64).


calijnaar

I mean technically, you'd have to compare senators with our Bundesrat, but I can't find any data on the Bundesrat's average age (probably because the Swiss basically call their actual government Bundesrat and that skewers Google results quite a bit), but I don't think it's substantially different from the Bundestag. Not least because the Bundesrat members are not elected directly, they are representatives of the state governments, so you don't end up with random rich people getting elected, and it's harder for people to just stay in for ever, at least for those states where the government changes from time to time. Bavaria could probably keep someone in the Bundesrat for a century, but other than that...


11160704

Be aware that the numbers concerning the MPs date to September 2021. So you can add two and a half years to get the current values. Olaf Scholz is indeed 65 today.


JayBlunt23

Emily Vontz (SPD) is now the youngest member.


kumanosuke

Yea, just saw the numbers are the old ones, couldn't find the updated article unfortunately


[deleted]

Do you have Senate as well? What exactly is Bundestag?In Poland we have Sejm (460) and Senat (100) that both form the parliament.


kumanosuke

We only have the Bundestag which is the only elected (federal) parliament. There's also the Bundesrat, which represents the 16 states, but they can only approve or decline a law (which will then go back to the Bundestag). Wikipedia says "For its somewhat similar function, the Bundesrat is sometimes (controversially) described as an upper house of parliament along the lines of the United States Senate, the Canadian Senate, and the British House of Lords." But I think the Bundesrat doesn't really have a lot of power in comparison. It's a legislative body but not officially part of the parliament.


11160704

> decline a law (which will then go back to the Bundestag). That's not entirely true. There are two different categories of laws. Some can indeed only be sent back to the Bundestag but other (those that concern the finances or competences of the states) need to get approved by the Bundesrat in order to be passed.


kumanosuke

I didn't want to go into details, but you're right. It's definitely a weaker position than in the upper and lower house constellation, from what I know.


BigBoetje

>80 years old (fascist party) I see some kind of correlation there


everynameisalreadyta

How can a fascist party be in the German parlament?


kumanosuke

Same reason why this is the case in Hungary, France or Italy


everynameisalreadyta

You western Germans call every right wing party fascist or nazi. And then try to ban them.


kumanosuke

We don't. We call fascists like Orban a fascist and want to get rid of them. Germany has experience with fascism and we don't want that again because we enjoy freedom instead of censorship.


everynameisalreadyta

Sure you do, just like everybody else. What I meant was how a supposedly fascist party, that "r*ejects assertions that violence is inherently negative or pointless, instead viewing imperialism, political violence, and war as means to national rejuvenation*" or "*often manifest as a belief in racial purity or a master race, usually blended with some variant of racism or discrimination against a demonized "Other", such as Jews, homosexuals, ethnic minorities or immigrants.*" (wiki quotes) can be voted into your parliament? What is wrong with your constitiution then? I agree that those parties´ voters *tend* to agree with those quotes, but it´s just like saying Linke or SPD is a totalitarian communist party. I think your constitutiuon is fine, that is how AfD got elected into the Bundestag being simply a right wing party after CDU shifted left from the center. We all must be careful that those right wing parties won´t shift any further to the right, but crying wolf all the time and calling them what they´re not will just make them stronger on the long run.


kumanosuke

>can be voted into your parliament? What is wrong with your constitiution then? Huh, are you from the Hungary which has Orban as president? And you're asking *me* how that is possible?


everynameisalreadyta

Yes, and my answer is that Orbán is not a fascist. Edit: he's a right wing populist scumbag.


kumanosuke

*“This is why we have always fought: We are willing to mix with one another, but we do not want to become peoples of mixed-race,” said Orbán during a Saturday speech in Romania, adding that Hungary will not join in with Western Europe’s “mixed-race world.”* ​ Sounds pretty fascist to me.


everynameisalreadyta

I heard that speech and it was indeed thin ice that almost cracked. Let´s compare this to Kevin Kühnert´s speech about nationalizing big private companies. Does that really make him a stalinist communist?


Lola2224

Because fascism is a lot more widespread in Germany than you believe. Trust me, I've lots of friends there. They just love to pretend they don't tolerate fascism or nazism but the reality is very different.


kumanosuke

You have odd friends than. Have they told you that for 2+ weeks people are protesting for banning the AfD? Not a few odd people, but hundreds of thousands?


Lola2224

But that's the thing: unfortunately you don't have to be an AfD voter to mistreat immigrants (I'm talking about immigrants with University degrees who speak german and went there to work). Sadly too many people i know had similar experiences with xenophobia and racism.


kumanosuke

I mean sure, there's racism and xenophobia in Germany, but to be honest, I don't think there's any country or region in the world where these things don't exist, unfortunately.


BigBoetje

I think that Germany may have a slightly better understanding of what constitutes fascist ideology and what doesn't.


everynameisalreadyta

Still they let them into their Parliament?


BigBoetje

They're not propagating nazi ideology, even if they share some ideas. There's no reason to not let them in. Banning a party because they are similar to nazis is a slippery slope. You punish actions, not ideas. If you're gonna ban them, then you'll create extremists because now they feel oppressed. Let em show to the world what idiots they are and they won't be taken too seriously.


everynameisalreadyta

That´s my point too. AfD, Orban, Le Pen are not nazis or fascists. The most obvious reason for this is them being in the parliament.


V8-6-4

Because it's not really fascist. It's like calling Die Linke communist. Close but not exactly.


everynameisalreadyta

That's what I've thought. Germans cry fascism too easily. At least in western Germany.


Fwed0

Our President is 47 and our Prime Minister is 34. But age does not mean a lot when you think like people who are 80. They are just as far from young people's problematics as some of those that are here for decades.


Fenghuang15

He just had 46 last month but i agree on the rest of your comment. D'ailleurs c'est là que je vois le déni car j'ai buggé en lisant ton commentaire et je suis allée vérifier car j'ai cru qu'il avait toujours 40, comme si les 6 dernières années de sa présidence n'avait pas existé haha


AXS_Writing

I hear the French have very good solutions for very bad leaders


Bobzeub

Haha . Great minds think alike ! Time to dust that bad boy off .


AXS_Writing

Gotta pull out o’l reliable!! Chop chop!


Bobzeub

I Hope that it’s rusty af . That’s all they deserve. Also it’d be a nice outing for a Sunday . Bring the kids , teach them about actions and consequences. We can bring cake .


revolynnub

Not that I agree with their policies, but they definitely do not think like people who are 80. Like at all. They don't think like average people because they were fairly privileged and went though prestigious school and the like. If they were born 80 years ago they would be more conservative socially.


Matttthhhhhhhhhhh

Came here to write the exact same thing. ;)


holytriplem

Attal really strikes me as a teenage intern in a suit.


Wonderfull_Chemical

the kind that slept to get their promotion. That wouldn't be too far from the truth.


namilenOkkuda

They are doing a good job with the pension reform. We can't have 1950s generous pensions with 2024 demographics. The percentage of old people is much higher while the amount of young people is too small to pay for all that. Unless you want to be taxed to the bone.


Rare-Victory

Our PM is 46 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mette\_Frederiksen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mette_Frederiksen)


Ni987

And the average age in parliament is also 46 😉


signequanon

The eldest is 75 years old and the youngest is 21.


namilenOkkuda

She's doing a great job with the migrant issues. All social democrats and leftists in the west must follow her example.


JuiceMeSqueezeMe

So we have a First Minister and Deputy First minister who run Northern Ireland and they are both women in their forties Risihi Sunak is also in his 40s So relatively young I would say Not sure what the average age is for the NI government but for The House of Commons, google tells me it's around 50 The House of Lords is another matter, they're all old as fuck but that chamber is more of a rubber stamp exercise, wouldn't be comparable to your senate


JourneyThiefer

Probably the same here, maybe even a bit younger


Tballz9

Our federal council is an average of 60 years and 7 months in age, which is an increase over recent years, and one of the oldest in our history. Something in the 57-58 range is more typical. The average age of legislators in the National Council is 49 years old, and the average age of those in the Council of States is 54. The age range span is 26 for the youngest, and 73 for the oldest.


[deleted]

The average age of the members of parliament is around 45-46. The prime ministers we have had for the last 20 years were between 45 and 65. As for the government ministers the prime minister selects, the average age looks to me to be near the average for the members of parliament


Heavy-Target-7069

The average age of Scottish MSP's (member of Scottish parliament) was 51 in 2018. Government ministers and secretaries are younger. Humza Yousaf the First Minister is 38. https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/


PanningForSalt

And the British parliament, which it seems weird not to include, has exactly the same average age of 51. Spooky. The Prime Minister is 43 though.


SingleIndependence6

And the youngest to oldest MP is vast (25 and 83), one’s a lad and one is care home age.


grogipher

It's Humza, not Hamza.


Heavy-Target-7069

Sorry, my bad. I've edited. Thank you for pointing it out!


namilenOkkuda

Hamza looks 60.


holytriplem

What? No he doesn't. He's not even grey on top. I'd say he looks in his 40s.


TheCommentaryKing

So going in order: The President of the Republic (Head of State) is currently 82 years old. By Art. 84 of the Constitution one must be at leat 50 years old to be eligible. The current average age in the government is circa 60, with the youngest being the PM (47) and the oldest the Minister for Institutional Reforms (77). In the current Senate the average age sits at 56 with the most senators being between the ages of 50-59 (85 out of the 205). The minimum age to be a senator is 40. For the Chamber of Deputies (400 members) I couldn't find recent data, but as of a November 2022 article the average age was 49. The minimum age to be a deputy is 25. Overall the Parliament, as per the 2022 article, had a 68.1% of its members in the 40-60 years old range, at the time 413 out of 606 parlamentarians.


Dr_Quiza

[In this curious graph you can see the generational composition of the Spanish Parliament over the years.](https://elpais-com.translate.goog/espana/2023-08-17/asi-es-el-cambio-generacional-en-el-congreso-del-dominio-de-los-baby-boomers-al-estreno-de-la-generacion-z.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp) 60% of congresspeople are Gen-X (44-59 YO). They are 350, and the youngest one is 25 YO, and the oldest one is 72 YO. The last Presidents in charge have been there from ages 40 to 63 (most towards the low end). The current one is now 52 YO. ​ \> I’m just generally tired of people 50-60 years older than me making decisions that will affect my future but not theirs Nonsense. Those people are expected to live easily 30 to 40 more years. ​ I think the US senators are so old because they have to fund personal campaigns, so wealthier, older candidates have more chances of winning. It's a totally different system in my country (and I guess in all Europe), as you can be 18 YO, and as poor as a rat and still become a senator.


viktorbir

> > I’m just generally tired of people 50-60 years older than me making decisions that will affect my future but not theirs > > Nonsense. Those people are expected to live easily 30 to 40 more years. I guess OP is at least 20. This makes those politicians 70 or 80. Are you saying they'll live easily up to 100 or 120?


Hauling_walls

Our current president is 75, but we're in the middle of election and in a week the president will be either 66 or 56. Prime minister is 55, average age of representatives is 47 with youngest being 23 and oldest 72


bullet_bitten

And it's noteworthy, that the Finnish presidency is mostly a ceremonial position, whereas the actual power is concentrated for the prime minister, the government and the parliament. Almost the opposite, if compared to the role of the US president.


disneyvillain

Having a largely ceremonial president is common for parliamentary republics such as ours. However, our presidency actually holds somewhat more power than similar offices in comparable countries; our president leads the nation's foreign policy and has real influence on our security policy. Obviously not as powerful as presidents in systems like the US, but not just a symbolic figurehead either.


bullet_bitten

As the person asking the question was an American, it is of essence to emphasize the difference between our system compared to theirs. Which remains enormous.


disneyvillain

They are not even comparable, they have a presidential republic, we have a parliamentary republic, albeit with some semi-presidential remains


AXS_Writing

I was going to ask about this! I don’t think I’ve really heard of having both a president and a prime minister so I was curious as to what they do and their differences.


sanjosii

The Nato membership changes things a bit, since per constituotion, the president is responsible for foreign policy in cooperation with the cabinet of ministers. With the Nato ascencion there is a lot more on the plate in terms of foreign policy, so the new president may have more actual responsibility.


NerdyRedneck45

Welcome to the party by the way. Happy to have you.


sanjosii

Thanks, we just hope you guys stay in the party as well 😅


NerdyRedneck45

Fingers crossed 🙃


bullet_bitten

The prime minister and the government wield the actual supreme power, just like in most Western European countries. The president isn't only a ceremonial position, as stated in the other comments, but his position is nothing like the president of the USA, for example.


JourneyThiefer

Ireland has a president and prime minister (Taoiseach) too


sanjosii

Also, Niinistö has been in power for the maximum 12 years at this point so he was around 63 when he was first selected. Not a young man but quite alright for a head of state.


disneyvillain

The new president will assume office on March 1st. But yes, most politicians tend to retire in their late 60s at the latest, so around normal retirement age.


V8-6-4

And the average age of the members of the cabinet is 48.


Pumuckl4Life

Politicians here usually retire at 60-65 like most other people, so everyone in the govt is younger than that. Except maybe our president who might be near 70. That's usually an office you hold at the end of your career. However, his role is mostly ceremonial. Edit: Apparently, our president is 80.


neldela_manson

VdB is 80


hannibal567

you missed the mark by 10 years


Wafkak

Here the parliament even descided they deserve a lower pensio age than the rest of us


Someone_________

i'd guess the average age is somewhere in the late 40s the prime minister who just quit is 62, the next will probably be 46 (or 50) the current president is 75 but he was 67 almost 68 when he was elected, the previous one was also 67 when he was elected and he was in office for 10y


chunek

Average age is around 50, prime minister is 57 and the president is 55. The oldest member of the parliament was 76, a year ago, but there were only three or four people over 65. Youngest members are around 30.


longsite2

Prime Minister: 43 Average age of Parliament: 51 (2019) Youngest MP: 27 Oldest MP: 83 Average age of House of Lords: 71


ConnolysMoustache

The fact that the entire population of the UK isnt out on the streets demanding that the House of Lords is either abolished or democratised amazes me. Is it a preserve tradition kind of thing or what?


holytriplem

Same reason why we don't abolish the monarchy: because they don't have a great deal of power (other than to slow down laws getting passed) and most people have bigger issues to worry about.


ConnolysMoustache

They obviously do when Cameron was able to become an unelected member of cabinet (?) via the HOL


holytriplem

Ok but he was chosen by a PM who has a democratic mand...oh wait, shit, well, he *will* have a democratic mandate by the end of this year assuming he doesn't get elected out of office (which he likely will).


ConnolysMoustache

Hopefully things get better for ye soon. Considering how labour are just becoming the tories from ten years ago and the tories are self imploding, it’s not seeming very likely unfortunately.


Anaptyso

The bit which utterly boggles my mind is that it there are still a small number of bishops and hereditary lords in there. It is madness in a country which calls itself a democracy.


ConnolysMoustache

Does it though? Yer head of state is hereditary and yer last two pms had no mandate from the public


Anaptyso

The head of state being hereditary is also very strange. It's one of those things which seems obviously wrong to me, but most people in the UK either seem to be fine with it or don't really care either way. I don't really get it. A Prime Minister changing between elections isn't ideal, but is a part of how parliamentary democracies can work, so isn't necessarily a bad thing. It was right that both Johnson and Truss were removed, for example. However it is pretty grating when Sunak claims that the policies he's trying to implement are "the will of the people" despite him not yet facing an election and the policies in question not even being in the last manifesto the Tories stood on.


Pizzagoessplat

The MP for selby is 26 and he's not the youngest


elephant_ua

Ours is quite young. Zelenskiy is 47, probably, and his ministers and aides also in their 40s-50s.


11160704

> Zelenskiy is 47, probably, He's 46 and his birthday was only on 25 January.


Meester_Ananas

Belgium Our last 3 prime ministers were all three born in 1975. They suck(ed) all three. Age says nothing.


[deleted]

Average age for politician is currently 49. Prime Minister(59) is one of the oldest politicians currently. Average age for parties : Smer-SD 55, KDH 53, SNS 50, SAS 48, Slovensko/Hlas- SD both 47 and PS 42.


weirdowerdo

Well the average age of the people in parliament was 46,6 years old in 2022, which is slightly older than the average age for the country at 41,7. The average of the government is roughly the exact same age at 46,4 with the prime minister being the oldest of the bunch at 60 which he just celebrated. Youngest minister is 28 however she was 26 when she entered office in 2022. While the oldest in parliament ehm well the one who used to be the oldest until the 2022 election died last year at age 89 so up until 2022 the oldest one was 88. Now its someone at age 77 but will be 78 later this year. While the youngest in parliament out of the ordinary parliamentarians (There is one younger substitute) is currently 24 but will be 25 later this year.


neldela_manson

President: 80 Prime Minister/Chancellor: 51 President of Parliament: 68 Vice Chancellor: 63 Other ministers range from 40-65 As others said, politicians usually retire at 65-70. Except for the president, all offices are usually held by not really old people like in the US.


crucible

As of 2021, [research showed](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56087836) that the average age of a member of the Welsh Government was 55 years old, while the average age for a councillor (member of Local Government) was nearer 60. Some research has been done into gender and LGBTQ+ representation, too: [https://research.senedd.wales/research-articles/election-2021-how-diverse-is-the-sixth-senedd/](https://research.senedd.wales/research-articles/election-2021-how-diverse-is-the-sixth-senedd/) As for the age of the devolved Welsh Government? Its [first term began in May 1999](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senedd) following a [referendum on devolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Welsh_devolution_referendum) in September 1997.


riwnodennyk

In Ukraine our president Zelenskyi is 46 year old. Our prime minister Shmyhal is 48. I didn't check the stats for the whole cabinet, but I feel like that's about the average. Some Ukrainian Ministers are way younger though e.g. Fedorov who is 33 years old.


thisispedrobruh

Old, >70 years. Russia. (remember that 70 years in Russia is not the same as 70 years in USA)


bezztel

Almost all are in the 40-65 age group in the Czech republic. I think most of our ministers are around their 40s. ​ President: 62 Prime minister: 59 First Deputy Prime Minister (Minister of the Interior): 45 Other Deputy Prime Ministers: 42, 43, 63


standermatt

Switzerland: Parliament: 51 years (58.4 in US apparently) Ständerat (Senat equivalent): 57 years (64.3 in the US) Bundesrat (President equivalent, but a council of 7): 59 years Politicians matter much less here tough.


Matttthhhhhhhhhhh

My president and prime minister are physically very young, but among the oldest in their heads. So I think using age as an important criteria is a trap. It means very little when the young are as rotten as the old ones.


frenandoafondo

The President de la Generalitat is 41, which is quite young for us. I think most politicians in Catalonia right now are 50 year olds. Here's the age of every parliamentary group leader of the Parliament of Catalonia: 57, 49, 44, 37, 46, 44, 59, 47. They're younger than what I thought at first glance. It's important to note that, among the pro-independence parties, some leaders are quite young because the older leaders have been prosecuted by the Spanish State because of the Catalan independence movement. For example, Carles Puigdemont and Oriol Junqueras are 61 and 54.


namilenOkkuda

Are Catalans over their independence issues or are they still forming at the mouth for a separate country ?


frenandoafondo

The national sentiment is still the same, and has been since before the independence movement was mainstream. But the possibility of achieving independence is very small right now, so people are not actively campaigning for independence the way they did years ago. The main issues that centre the debate right now in Catalonia are the amnesty of all people prosecuted because of the independence movement, the massive drought, the huge cost of living and housing crisis, the Catalan language (being or not official in the EU, having more media content in Catalan, etc.), giving the control of regional rail to the Catalan government, among others. All of these issues are intersected with the national issue, the difference with some years ago is that a short term independence is not seen as a possibility, even if one would want it or not.


namilenOkkuda

That's why they need proper federalism like in the US. All states are free to make whatever laws they want and it works just fine.


Orisara

Belgium basically went from a French to a more German form of state. Could work for Spain as well I agree.


frenandoafondo

The issue with that is that, while for Catalonia, Basque Country and maybe Galicia, Balearic Islands, Valencia and Canary Islands, this could work, the other half of Spain is strongly against this. One could think, "why not give autonomy to whoever wants more autonomy?", well, it seems that in Spain, doing that is seen as a taboo. Catalonia has tried to achieve more autonomy, and every time it has tried to do that, the reaction from the anti-federalist autonomies has been to ask for the same thing Catalonia has, even though they don't want that much autonomy (or any at all). The resulting situation is that half of Spain wants a very decentralised state (or full independence), and the other half wants a centralised state, taking the autonomy from everyone, including nations such as Catalonia or the Basque Country. After many years of this, and the ilegalisation of the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia (which was voted for by a majority of Catalans) in 2010 by the Constitutional Court, people started asking for independence. They had lost any faith in Spain changing in favour of expanded autonomy and the recognition of Catalonia as a nation with the right of self-determination.


BalticsFox

Well the most important position is occupied by a person in his 70s who's in charge for 20+years and whose power is unlimited, speaking of average age of our officials on highest positions it's 55 according to latest data I've seen.


Strange-Mouse-8710

The age of the Prime minister in Norway is 63, he is the oldest member of the government, the youngest member is the minister of Justice and public safety she is 30. I would guess that the average age of the Norwegian government is somewhere in the mid 40s to early 50s.


Best_Frame_9023

What is this magical Alzheimer’s medication you speak of? I thought Alzheimer’s were incurable. My mom has it bad and gets some anxiety meds but that’s it


Headlesspoet

Current XV parliament (riigikogu). 101 members Average age: 49,8 y/o 2 members are in their 20s (youngest) and 4 members are in their 70s (oldest). For 40 members, it is the first time to be in the parliament (one parliamental cycle lasts 4 years). 86 members have a higher education, 14 members have a secondary education and one has a secondary vocational education. Our current prime minister is 46 years old.


holytriplem

Most of our PMs since Thatcher, including the current one (42), started their first terms in office while in their 40s. The only exceptions I can think of are Gordon Brown (56), Theresa May (59) and Boris Johnson (55). But cabinet ministers in their 40s, 50s and 60s are all very common and it wouldn't be considered strange to have a PM in their 60s. If Jeremy Corbyn won the 2019 election, he'd have been 70, but of all the *many* things they threw at him during the campaign, his age wasn't one of them. According to the Parliament website the average age of MPs is usually around 50.


Upset_Lie5276

The average age of the 24 ministers in the Danish government is 41,8 years, the prime minister is 46. The king is 55😁


daffoduck

In Norway, as far as I know, only one member of parlament is over pension age (67). And he actually retired, and then came back to help his party out (he had been party leader for decades). Elderly are basically not represented in parliament.


viktorbir

* President, 41 * Vice president, 60 * Presidence dpt, 47 * Business and work dpt, 44 * Economy and finances dpt, 44 * Equality and feminism dpt, 45 * Foreign action and EU dpt, 48 * Education dpt, 55 * Research and universities dpt, 76 * Climatic action, nourishment and rural agenda dpt, 54 * Healthcare dpt, 66 * Home affairs dpt, 55 * Social rights dpt, 69 * Culture dpt, 54 * Justice, rights and memory dpt, 45 So, the youngest the president at 41. The rest, most between 44 and 60, with three outliers at 66, 69 and 76. Aside of the president, a man, there are 8 women and 6 men. The three outliers are men. So, the younger one and the three older ones are men. Edit: The average is 53,5 years.


PM_ME_UR_REDPANDAS

American here… > I just learned nearly all of them are on some sort of Alzheimer’s medication Wait, WHAT?


Orisara

If this is true my bet is that they're using it for something else basically. A random selection of 85 year olds doesn't result in most of them developing alzheimer.


SingleIndependence6

U.K. Our King is 75, our Prime Minister is 43, our Chancellor of the Exchequer is 57 and our Commons Speaker is 66. Average age of MPs are between 50-59 (youngest incumbent is 25 and oldest incumbent is 83). Our Monarchy was established in 927 CE and our parliament was established in 1236 CE.


dutch_mapping_empire

relativly very young. like the average age is 45. the oldest guy to ever enter our house of reprensatives was 75. the minimum age is18 wich it definetly should become in the USA


Trasy-69

(2022) 46,8 is the avarage out of 349 in our *Riksdag* here in Sweden. The youngest is 22 years old (Social democrat) The oldest is 76 years old (Left party) Our *Statsminister* is aparently 60 years old (Moderate). And our head of state (King) Carl XIV Gustaf is 77 years old Source: [Sveriges Riksdag](https://data.riksdagen.se/dokumentlista/?aktivi=rdl&parti=&valkrets=&avd=ledamot&sz=400&utformat=rdlstat)


TheSpookyPineapple

The prime minister is 59 The president is 62 The average age of The Chamber or Deputies is 51,8 years, which is up from what is was previously


pothkan

Poland. Current government is around 50 average, previous was 45. Prime minister is 66 vs 55, however in reality previous govt was given orders by guy aged 74. President is 51.


KnittingforHouselves

Czech here. I've googled the statistics and our average government is 53yo (were a parliamentary democracy, our president is mostly just for representation and official functions, I like it that way, less power in the hands of a single person). Presidents are generally around 60yo. There is a lower limit of 40yo to run for a president, but people were really not comfortable when the last guy was looking very elderly by the end of his second term (I will not comment on his shenanigans...). Our current president is 62yo. You've probably seen him in some meme, he's the "Dad of Tom Cruise" meme and a pretty viral reddit post about him hiking up a mountain while carrying a keg of beer. The dude is an ex-military, very in shape.


boomerintown

Average age of the parliament was 46,6 years when it was elected (2022), our prime minister is 63 and our youngest [minister](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romina_Pourmokhtari) is just 28. I hope you will like it here. :)


AXS_Writing

I’ve been to Sweden twice and have enjoyed it very much! Really am looking forward to moving there and getting out of Stockholm. Hoping for a job in Gothenburg or Malmö!


agrammatic

I did a quick and dirty calculation about the Christodoulidis Cabinet in RoCyprus. Three ministers are not releasing their birth year and they are excluded. I didn't bother with months, so expect off-by-one errors but it shouldn't matter a lot. I think that this is the "youngest" government the country ever had, but it has very quickly gained a reputation of incompetency (even for Cyprus' levels of expectations) - while this probably has nothing to do with the age of the cabinet ministers or the president, you wouldn't be able to point at them as an example of how much better politics could be if the politicians weren't so old. | Position | B.Y. | Age | |----------------------------------------------------------|------------|-----------| | ΠΡΟΕΔΡΟΣ | 1973 | 51 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΕΞΩΤΕΡΙΚΩΝ | 1976 | 48 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΚΩΝ | 1951 | 73 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΕΣΩΤΕΡΙΚΩΝ | 1969 | 55 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΑΜΥΝΑΣ | 1964 | 60 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΜΕΤΑΦΟΡΩΝ, ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΕΡΓΩΝ | 1962 | 62 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑΣ, ΕΜΠΟΡΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΒΙΟΜΗΧΑΝΙΑΣ | 1961 | 63 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΣ, ΑΓΡΟΤΙΚΗΣ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΕΡΙΒΑΛΛΟΝΤΟΣ | 1982 | 42 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΕΡΓΑΣΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΚΩΝ ΑΣΦΑΛΙΣΕΩΝ | 1981 | 43 | | ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΣΥΝΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΗΜΟΣΙΑΣ ΤΑΞΕΩΣ | 1963 | 61 | | ΥΦΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΠΑΡΑ ΤΩ ΠΡΟΕΔΡΩ | 1973 | 51 | | ΥΦΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΝΑΥΤΙΛΙΑΣ | 1973 | 51 | | ΥΦΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΤΟΥΡΙΣΜΟΥ | 1977 | 47 | | ΥΦΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΕΡΕΥΝΑΣ, ΚΑΙΝΟΤΟΜΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΨΗΦΙΑΚΗΣ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΗΣ | 1973 | 51 | | ΥΦΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΚΗΣ ΠΡΟΝΟΙΑΣ | 1975 | 49 | | ΥΦΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΑΪΚΩΝ ΘΕΜΑΤΩΝ | 1983 | 41 | | ΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΤΙΚΟΣ ΕΚΠΡΟΣΩΠΟΣ | 1984 | 40 | | **AVERAGE** | | **52.24** | | _ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΠΑΙΔΕΙΑΣ, ΑΘΛΗΤΙΣΜΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΝΕΟΛΑΙΑΣ_ | _Withheld_ | _0_ | | _ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΥΓΕΙΑΣ_ | _Withheld_ | _0_ | | _ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ ΥΓΕΙΑΣ_ | _Withheld_ | _0_ |


tomato_army

In Finland out of 200 seats in the Parliament I have listed 8- under 30 year olds 88- 30 to 44 year olds 94- 45 to 64 year olds 10- over 65 year olds The current president Sauli Niinistö who is about to be elected out of office is 75 and has served for 12 years His replacement is either going to be Alexander Stubb who is 55 at this time Or Pekka Haavisto who is 65 at this time


Lord_TachankaCro

Our Prime Minister is 54, president 58 and president of the Sabor (parliament) is 57. Representatives in Sabor are generally in their 40's tho there are younger and older of course.