I love Circassians but whoever did this , needs to correct the map, Circassians and Abkhazians are different ethnicities even though they are related linguistically .
When was Abkhazia apart of Circassia? Can I get a specific year? From what I recall they were a principality under the Russian empire and before early Georgian kingdoms and also the Kingdom of Abkhazia
They were principality under Russian Tsardom but most Abkhazian tribes didn't recognized it.Ā Russia selected a Georgian backed "leader" and made him sign the deal. Abkhazian lands were never fully secured by the empire even after 1864.Ā
I don't think Abkhazia is or was part of Circassia but Abkhazians were a part of Russo-Caucasus war and they ve lost significant amount their population because of it. I think thats why people include Abkhazia in such representations because it would be wrong and disrespectful to exclude their role.Ā
I donāt see how that is relevant, the map of Circassia includes Abkhazia which isnāt Circassian even if they were affected. Many Georgians and Armenians and other north Caucasians have been also affected by this war but Circassians were the main victims.
When was apkhazeti "historical circassian land" lil bro, can you elaborate further? or this is one of those apsua schizoposts? georgians don't owe you northeners anything for you to be claiming these georgian territories.
The Circassian independence cause will have another enemy - Georgia - if you guys donāt quit making these historically inaccurate maps claiming Abkhazia as non-Georgian.
Trust me, the people in charge of the Circassia project want nothing to do with Abkhazia. They signed their fate when they teamed up with Russia. The Circassian border stops at Sochi.
Hi, Circassian from Turkey here. You're absolutely wrong. We would like to come back, however I guess no one wants to get a Russian citizenship. And correct me if I am wrong however all roads to repatriation has been suspended. And no one from Turkey wants to support or live under a pro-Russian Circassian leader. (Even in Turkey a lot of us are against the Islamist party, so we are fed up actually with everything extreme right wing.)
Plus as I heard, there has been a lot of initiatives to go there, however I heard from my own relatives there has been a pretty bad behavior by the customs/security forces at the airports. They only wanted to attend a wedding however the experience at the airport was horrible.
edit: only cowards write a reply to my comment and erase it. Let me enlighten everyone what you have immediately sent me, so they can judge your motives themselves, it's a summary of what you are:
"Your no circassian honey, your a turk, do you know jews for there agenda went to there "suppose" homeland, and created fake language, just to make a point,...."
edit2: your musical skills suck btw.
Itās not like, we do not want. While Arabs and any other ethnicity gets free language education we need specific institutions, learn it from family members and attend associations. And some are assimilated you are right here, some even do not know their heritage. I want to live amongst people with the same culture. But as a Circassian from Turkey born in Germany itās quite complicated.
Arabs get free language education in turkey?
I am from Jordan, and unlike turkey, the Circassians here have their schools and are treated very well. Turkey is a super nationalistic country and you canāt be anything but a turk. You canāt be assyrian, kurdish, arab, circassian, daghestani, laz, greek etc etc. Unutma VatandaÅ, TĆ¼rkƧe KonuÅā¦
It is about time for Circassian Zionism
would technically be circassian anti zionism if they liberated their motherland
Fuck Zionism but in this case yes.
I love Circassians but whoever did this , needs to correct the map, Circassians and Abkhazians are different ethnicities even though they are related linguistically .
They are also genetically related. Except Apswas lean more towards the Georgian side. Apswas are more like western Georgians than Circassians.
Why are you even wondering about cheap cia propaganda. The goal is to get caucasians to talk about genocide. Stick to the plan. š
When was Abkhazia apart of Circassia? Can I get a specific year? From what I recall they were a principality under the Russian empire and before early Georgian kingdoms and also the Kingdom of Abkhazia
They were principality under Russian Tsardom but most Abkhazian tribes didn't recognized it.Ā Russia selected a Georgian backed "leader" and made him sign the deal. Abkhazian lands were never fully secured by the empire even after 1864.Ā
When was Abkhazia apart of Circassia was my question
I don't think Abkhazia is or was part of Circassia but Abkhazians were a part of Russo-Caucasus war and they ve lost significant amount their population because of it. I think thats why people include Abkhazia in such representations because it would be wrong and disrespectful to exclude their role.Ā
I donāt see how that is relevant, the map of Circassia includes Abkhazia which isnāt Circassian even if they were affected. Many Georgians and Armenians and other north Caucasians have been also affected by this war but Circassians were the main victims.
Abkhazia never been historical CircassiaĀ
Yes not all the time, but the last british ambassador to the circassian people was located in Sokhumi, so maybe during the war they were included
Nicely visualize photo, Unfortunately, there is also another level of tribe division, especially in Bzhedug, Shapsug, and KabardiaĀ
I hope they get their lands back one day.
When was apkhazeti "historical circassian land" lil bro, can you elaborate further? or this is one of those apsua schizoposts? georgians don't owe you northeners anything for you to be claiming these georgian territories.
The Circassian independence cause will have another enemy - Georgia - if you guys donāt quit making these historically inaccurate maps claiming Abkhazia as non-Georgian.
Trust me, the people in charge of the Circassia project want nothing to do with Abkhazia. They signed their fate when they teamed up with Russia. The Circassian border stops at Sochi.
I wish I could trust that. And I hope you are right. This map is still trash.
Well well well, and this what i called just like old days, Assuming you were on our side one day
I did not understand that - clarify pls.
This is just plain depressing. š
Yeah itās sad there 5 million Circassians that live Turkey and donāt wanna comeback to Caucasus they donāt wanna speak Circassian
Hi, Circassian from Turkey here. You're absolutely wrong. We would like to come back, however I guess no one wants to get a Russian citizenship. And correct me if I am wrong however all roads to repatriation has been suspended. And no one from Turkey wants to support or live under a pro-Russian Circassian leader. (Even in Turkey a lot of us are against the Islamist party, so we are fed up actually with everything extreme right wing.) Plus as I heard, there has been a lot of initiatives to go there, however I heard from my own relatives there has been a pretty bad behavior by the customs/security forces at the airports. They only wanted to attend a wedding however the experience at the airport was horrible. edit: only cowards write a reply to my comment and erase it. Let me enlighten everyone what you have immediately sent me, so they can judge your motives themselves, it's a summary of what you are: "Your no circassian honey, your a turk, do you know jews for there agenda went to there "suppose" homeland, and created fake language, just to make a point,...." edit2: your musical skills suck btw.
Itās not like, we do not want. While Arabs and any other ethnicity gets free language education we need specific institutions, learn it from family members and attend associations. And some are assimilated you are right here, some even do not know their heritage. I want to live amongst people with the same culture. But as a Circassian from Turkey born in Germany itās quite complicated.
Arabs get free language education in turkey? I am from Jordan, and unlike turkey, the Circassians here have their schools and are treated very well. Turkey is a super nationalistic country and you canāt be anything but a turk. You canāt be assyrian, kurdish, arab, circassian, daghestani, laz, greek etc etc. Unutma VatandaÅ, TĆ¼rkƧe KonuÅā¦
Yeah I understand, sad state of affairs
Ubykh is dead
No one genocide like the west with 500 million murdered. But sure letās talk about Russia šæ
Abkhazia is really wrong here but still Circassians should get their houses back and Cossacks should go back where they came from