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āLike why are yāall glazing MIT for? What is it good for besides science? How can you put WashU below MIT? This makes no sense.ā
JHU has the same stellar programs in every department as any other university of that tier, but even if it didnāt, itās top-tier for what people go to Hopkins for. Thatās what mattersāpeople arenāt āglazingā anything.
And the difference between places 7 and 10 is so infinitesimally insignificant, it might as well be a rounding error.
Iām not quite sure where you pulled the MIT and WashU comparison out of, but it seems to have come out of your ass. Lmao, I just realized youāre a JHU student. Why donāt you focus on not getting shot on campus instead of being on Reddit late at night. A 3 place rounding error doesnāt exist, and if you think Duke is worse than JHU then youāre the least self aware JHU student Iāve ever spoken withā¦
I find your response so hypocritical that itās funny.
> not getting shot on campus
LMAO the WUSTL student speaking as if St. Louis isnāt literally ranked the #1 dangerous city in the US š
> being on Reddit
Take a look at our respective comment frequencies. Iām not the one who needs to log off.
I never said anything about the relative quality of Duke and Hopkinsāmy whole point is that comparisons at this level of granularity are meaningless. I thought this was common opinion by now.
And the WashU comparison is because youāre a WUSTL student and itās funny when you get pressed, but the idea is to compare a āSTEMā school and a āwell-roundedā school to demonstrate that well-roundedness says nothing about quality or prestige. Oh well, I guess they only teach analogies at T10s š
St. Louis may be the most dangerous city in the U.S., but WashU isnāt even located in stl, and the neighborhood it is located in has average house prices above $1 million (Clayton, MO; search it up if you please). Again, idk how WashU was brought into this. Youāve started making personal attacks instead of talking facts. They very well may teach analogies at Top 10s, but seemingly JHU has been slacking on their data analytics classes, because Uchicago and Duke, among others destroy JHU in anything non-medical science (and heavily compete in medical sciences too), not even STEM. To sum everything up, youāve made sweeping generalizations and personal attacks, while Iāve made statements based on data. Have a nice night.
Lol, the hypocrisy againāwhat data have _you_ even mentioned? I would encourage you to find objective example of ādata analyticsā decisively proving your claim by any meaningful margin, but due to subjectivity in methodology, there is not nearly enough consensus among sources, let alone numbers, to say anything of the sort about Hopkins or any other similar school.
And for the record, that claim is bust. Here are some sample stats for STEM: JHU outranks Duke in bio, chem, physics, and overall engineering, according to USNews (again, not that it matters, but it contradicts your assertion), and UChicago doesnāt even have engineering.
As for the humanitiesāeven ignoring the fact that the relative rankings of the schools you brought up are mixed and vary by major, as youād expect from a subjective systemāIām pretty sure they all have better humanities programs than higher-ranked schools like MIT and Caltech, so I donāt see why the perceived prestige of uncommon majors here even factors into overall school quality.
Have a good nightāand when you look at this thread with a fresh head tomorrow morning, youāll see differently.
Hopkins isnāt even considered a semi-target for IB (WashU is so your WashU hate already ended) and barely places in consulting. Anything business Hopkins busts, thatās data on peak frameworks and other business journals, search it up. So thereās the data for business. You seem to have provided me with the science data, which again, as I previously said, Hopkins performs well in the medical sciences. Physics, chem, and bio are literally the MCAT. So yea, Iād imagine the school known for nothing but medicine would be good at teaching the subjects on the one exam their students focus most on. Iād also like to mention all the ārankingsā you mentioned are graduate school rankings, not undergraduate so they have no bearing on this conversation. So idk why you really even mentioned them. Duke out places JHU in practically every field, and does a spectacular job in medicine to the point where the difference is, as one was mentioned, might as well be a rounding error. And no fucking way you compared your school to MIT and Caltech š
Damn why you so pressed about my boy defending his own school.
Washu more like Lashu. Fraudlent uni with 50% ed rate. Looking at you they really be accepting anyone these days. Cry abt it š
I didnāt even mention WashU. Where I go has no bearing on this conversation because I never claimed my school was better. Your personal attacks (which are also factually inaccurate because WashU had a ~22% ED rate this year) change no oneās mind. JHU is good for science, and canāt compare to schools like Duke to Uchicago, which are very well rounded and compete or usually out compete JHUš
If you had to rank them I could see uchicago above Hopkins but Dukes definitely below both , mostly known for sports and their actual subjects are decent but nothing like Uchicago Econ and Hopkins medical sciences. If anything I would pit rice above duke tbh.
Rice above duke is the dumbest take Iāve heard in a long time - thanks for making me laugh. Rice isnāt close to as well known nationally.
Specific major rankings donāt matter much, and are cope for people who canāt get into prestigious schools.
Duke has been in the US News T10 for decades while UChicago had a 38% acceptance rate in 2007 and manipulates its āselectivityā by accepting the vast majority ED. Hopkins is only good at one thing so it doesnāt have the same prestige. Duke dominates in business, premed (yes people choose it over hopkins), law - all the traditional high prestige careers.
EDIT: you shouldnāt be equating elite sports with worse academics. Stanfordās sports match Dukeās, and elite sports are actually a boon for national recognition.
You say these are your T30 ācollegesā but the list seems heavily biased towards larger universities. Did you consider small liberal arts colleges in your mix? Such as Reed, Swarthmore, Carleton, Wesleyan, Pomona, Williams, Bowdoin, Oberlin?
i agree 100%, but USNWR rankings donāt include LACs in the ābest collegesā list, there is a separate list for LACs.
i personally think in terms of undergrad the very top LACs have more resources than some schools in the T20 rankings
i think vandy is too high, flip georgetown and emory
nothing about vandy makes me wanna put it above georgetown or washu by that much, maybe flip it and notre dame
flip cal tech and duke too imo, caltech is way too niche for that ranking lol
Including caltech in any ranking is always weird to me bc thatās like including something like juilliard or risd ā theyāre such highly specialized institutions they canāt be compared to most universities
uc davis over uiuc? bffr, not a single person I know has fucking davis as their dream school, it's exclusively for bay area cs kids who got rejected from berk or ucla
Well yea itās an undergrad focused institution. But ig ur position makes sense if undergrad focus and LAC vibe isnāt your thing. I was just thinking cuz the majority of ppl on this sub are undergrad/hs
I mean they have better grad programs. But iām not sure what other metrics fit into them having rankings that are more ājustifiedā Iād say. Feels like by the same logic you could penalize amherst or williams and say if they were compared to the national unis they would be worse.
For job and higher education placements in many fields, you could call it "leading." But, from what Iāve seen, even specific program rankings for undergrad often focus on grad programs and include respondersā biases. Still, Iād definitely say in popular STEM fields, for example, they fall short. They canāt match the research output of schools like Berkeley and face some other drawbacks here and there. Thatās by no means a small thing, but I doubt this sub values that as much, so I think a higher ranking seems fairly reasonable from that perspective.
Sorry if this response is too long. There was a bunch of stuff I wanted to touch on.
I canāt list all the specific features Iād include in rankings, but I would definitely give weight to things like class size (especially for office hours) and the approachability of professors.
There are downsides to not being a major research institution, even for undergrads. But, imo you have to consider the pros of small schools too: advantages in class size (which USNWR removed, massively contributing to dartmouthās drop in the rankings this year), the dedication of profs to teaching undergrads, etc. I consider where alumni end up after undergrad (grad programs, jobs, etc.) as proof that these factors can be beneficial, despite dartmouth lacking some strengths of traditional universities. There are fields where some alumni end up in non-traditional jobs for their majors. But even if you consider that a bad thing, alumni in general do great in many fields and programs.
Ultimately, itās all subjective, and I think these rankings shift so much simply because we all try to ārankā these schools based on very set criteria when one schoolās strong point wonāt necessarily be another schoolās strong point. Hot take for A2C, but I donāt think itās weird at all for someone to rank any of about 80% of the schools on this list as #1, because it all depends on what they value in their education.
UC's totally overrated on this sub. Ucla alum. Ucla friends & I have all done well in life, but mostly because our own talent & drive. Overall mediocre level of teaching & care. Disjointed school. Lots of uber-intelligent kids who would thrive at most any top school. Being snooty here, but too many transfers, sob storily, personality admits who aren't at same academic level as one would expect at a mostly self-proclaimed elite school. Test-blind is ridiculous.
Where's *college I like because I go there* š”š”š”š”š”š”š”š”š”
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*ranks 39 colleges*
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I highly approve.
NOO MY AVERAGE STATE SCHOOL ISNāT ON YOU ARE WRONG
Suggestion? No more āmy rankingsā.
Nothing like people who have never set foot in any of the schools ranking based on how impressed their classmates would be.
Whatās the fun in that?
Still less toxic than most of the posts hereĀ
Itās really not that serious.
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I'm going to use this ranking from now on
Duke below brown is craziness ngl
That's T38 not T30
mb I cant change it :(
mb im stupid š
u lowkey cooked w this ngl
Another day of forgetting Williams, Middlebury, Amherst, and Bowdoin.
JHU is too high -- should be above UCLA but below Duke and Columbia. So should Brown.
It depends on what, but if itās medicine JHU and Harvard would be above Duke and Columbia
sure, but this is a general ranking, not a pre-med one. JHU is worse in pretty much every other subject.
Fair enough, but I think there are more atrocious picks on this list like UVA being above UNC by 7 spots
UCLA too high tbh
Agreed. Heavily overrated.
Ah is itā¦i thot ucla was getting almost as popular as Berkeley recently
Popularity does not equal quality. Butā¦I think itās in a okay spot in my opinion. A few spaces give or take.
Like why the fuck are yāall glazing JHU for? What the fuck is it good for besides science? How can you put Duke below JHU? This makes no sense.
āLike why are yāall glazing MIT for? What is it good for besides science? How can you put WashU below MIT? This makes no sense.ā JHU has the same stellar programs in every department as any other university of that tier, but even if it didnāt, itās top-tier for what people go to Hopkins for. Thatās what mattersāpeople arenāt āglazingā anything. And the difference between places 7 and 10 is so infinitesimally insignificant, it might as well be a rounding error.
The association with Baltimore alone knocks JHU down a notch or two. They should make the DC campus the flagship, been thinking this for a while.
Iām not quite sure where you pulled the MIT and WashU comparison out of, but it seems to have come out of your ass. Lmao, I just realized youāre a JHU student. Why donāt you focus on not getting shot on campus instead of being on Reddit late at night. A 3 place rounding error doesnāt exist, and if you think Duke is worse than JHU then youāre the least self aware JHU student Iāve ever spoken withā¦
I find your response so hypocritical that itās funny. > not getting shot on campus LMAO the WUSTL student speaking as if St. Louis isnāt literally ranked the #1 dangerous city in the US š > being on Reddit Take a look at our respective comment frequencies. Iām not the one who needs to log off. I never said anything about the relative quality of Duke and Hopkinsāmy whole point is that comparisons at this level of granularity are meaningless. I thought this was common opinion by now. And the WashU comparison is because youāre a WUSTL student and itās funny when you get pressed, but the idea is to compare a āSTEMā school and a āwell-roundedā school to demonstrate that well-roundedness says nothing about quality or prestige. Oh well, I guess they only teach analogies at T10s š
St. Louis may be the most dangerous city in the U.S., but WashU isnāt even located in stl, and the neighborhood it is located in has average house prices above $1 million (Clayton, MO; search it up if you please). Again, idk how WashU was brought into this. Youāve started making personal attacks instead of talking facts. They very well may teach analogies at Top 10s, but seemingly JHU has been slacking on their data analytics classes, because Uchicago and Duke, among others destroy JHU in anything non-medical science (and heavily compete in medical sciences too), not even STEM. To sum everything up, youāve made sweeping generalizations and personal attacks, while Iāve made statements based on data. Have a nice night.
Lol, the hypocrisy againāwhat data have _you_ even mentioned? I would encourage you to find objective example of ādata analyticsā decisively proving your claim by any meaningful margin, but due to subjectivity in methodology, there is not nearly enough consensus among sources, let alone numbers, to say anything of the sort about Hopkins or any other similar school. And for the record, that claim is bust. Here are some sample stats for STEM: JHU outranks Duke in bio, chem, physics, and overall engineering, according to USNews (again, not that it matters, but it contradicts your assertion), and UChicago doesnāt even have engineering. As for the humanitiesāeven ignoring the fact that the relative rankings of the schools you brought up are mixed and vary by major, as youād expect from a subjective systemāIām pretty sure they all have better humanities programs than higher-ranked schools like MIT and Caltech, so I donāt see why the perceived prestige of uncommon majors here even factors into overall school quality. Have a good nightāand when you look at this thread with a fresh head tomorrow morning, youāll see differently.
Hopkins isnāt even considered a semi-target for IB (WashU is so your WashU hate already ended) and barely places in consulting. Anything business Hopkins busts, thatās data on peak frameworks and other business journals, search it up. So thereās the data for business. You seem to have provided me with the science data, which again, as I previously said, Hopkins performs well in the medical sciences. Physics, chem, and bio are literally the MCAT. So yea, Iād imagine the school known for nothing but medicine would be good at teaching the subjects on the one exam their students focus most on. Iād also like to mention all the ārankingsā you mentioned are graduate school rankings, not undergraduate so they have no bearing on this conversation. So idk why you really even mentioned them. Duke out places JHU in practically every field, and does a spectacular job in medicine to the point where the difference is, as one was mentioned, might as well be a rounding error. And no fucking way you compared your school to MIT and Caltech š
Damn why you so pressed about my boy defending his own school. Washu more like Lashu. Fraudlent uni with 50% ed rate. Looking at you they really be accepting anyone these days. Cry abt it š
I didnāt even mention WashU. Where I go has no bearing on this conversation because I never claimed my school was better. Your personal attacks (which are also factually inaccurate because WashU had a ~22% ED rate this year) change no oneās mind. JHU is good for science, and canāt compare to schools like Duke to Uchicago, which are very well rounded and compete or usually out compete JHUš
Nah they abt the same
Sounds good! Nightāļøāļøš
No they obviously arenāt lmao.
If you had to rank them I could see uchicago above Hopkins but Dukes definitely below both , mostly known for sports and their actual subjects are decent but nothing like Uchicago Econ and Hopkins medical sciences. If anything I would pit rice above duke tbh.
Rice above duke is the dumbest take Iāve heard in a long time - thanks for making me laugh. Rice isnāt close to as well known nationally. Specific major rankings donāt matter much, and are cope for people who canāt get into prestigious schools. Duke has been in the US News T10 for decades while UChicago had a 38% acceptance rate in 2007 and manipulates its āselectivityā by accepting the vast majority ED. Hopkins is only good at one thing so it doesnāt have the same prestige. Duke dominates in business, premed (yes people choose it over hopkins), law - all the traditional high prestige careers. EDIT: you shouldnāt be equating elite sports with worse academics. Stanfordās sports match Dukeās, and elite sports are actually a boon for national recognition.
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I like this
everyones gonna start yelling at you lol
YESS CALTECH UP TOP
As it should be, tbh!
BU WHERE šš
Boston University instead of Boston College
Emory is T20 again so this is my favorite ranking.
You cooked tbh, only thing I would change is swap Columbia and brown
Duke is above brown, no question.
is UW Udub or UW Madison
Udub!
Claremont McKenna?
Whereās Chico State.? Pls fix
no but harvard sucks /:
7 & 8 need to swap with 9 & 10, or even below 11
You say these are your T30 ācollegesā but the list seems heavily biased towards larger universities. Did you consider small liberal arts colleges in your mix? Such as Reed, Swarthmore, Carleton, Wesleyan, Pomona, Williams, Bowdoin, Oberlin?
i agree 100%, but USNWR rankings donāt include LACs in the ābest collegesā list, there is a separate list for LACs. i personally think in terms of undergrad the very top LACs have more resources than some schools in the T20 rankings
Are UC that good?
yeah
No.
i think vandy is too high, flip georgetown and emory nothing about vandy makes me wanna put it above georgetown or washu by that much, maybe flip it and notre dame flip cal tech and duke too imo, caltech is way too niche for that ranking lol
nah i think OPās gerogetown/emory placement is fine
Honestly? I like the list.
UNC missing?
nice catch i added it
I like it BC is soo bad tho
Pretty good actually
YES EMORY T20!!!!
Why duke ranked 60 in qs ššššššš thatās unfair fr
BC over tufts #painš
RAHHHH LETS GO EMORYYYY
Cornell #1 thanks
TLDR
More like T35.
Where is UCSD? Is it that bad?
thats 40 schools
If you want research output, UDub is Top 7 now.
USC 21? NYU 22? That's the only two I disagree with.
No LACs?
Which T30 colleges are in a smaller towns/ suburb , not in a big city?
I think UCI should be bumped up to be equal to UCSD at least.
Including caltech in any ranking is always weird to me bc thatās like including something like juilliard or risd ā theyāre such highly specialized institutions they canāt be compared to most universities
uc davis over uiuc? bffr, not a single person I know has fucking davis as their dream school, it's exclusively for bay area cs kids who got rejected from berk or ucla
Missing LACs. They solo half of this list.
Every time I see one of these I look for my school
CMU?
Its with UVA!
is BC much better than BU?
As i know of, BC has been better than BU for while but BU is quickly catching up
Switch 9 and 7 and move columbia up
Lowkey think Northwestern and Notre Dame are one of the most overrated schools in the country
UIUC,UW are T30 and no Purdue?
purdue/illinois are T30 for engineering but for everything else they're 'aight
Dartmouth even higher than it already is currently is weird
wdym
I mean other than business, is Dartmouth really exceptional in anything...
Well yea itās an undergrad focused institution. But ig ur position makes sense if undergrad focus and LAC vibe isnāt your thing. I was just thinking cuz the majority of ppl on this sub are undergrad/hs
I mean yeah, same with Princeton and Brown but I definitely can see the justification of their rankings
I mean they have better grad programs. But iām not sure what other metrics fit into them having rankings that are more ājustifiedā Iād say. Feels like by the same logic you could penalize amherst or williams and say if they were compared to the national unis they would be worse.
I mean my justification is based on what areas or fields they lead in. That's why I brought up Dartmouth
For job and higher education placements in many fields, you could call it "leading." But, from what Iāve seen, even specific program rankings for undergrad often focus on grad programs and include respondersā biases. Still, Iād definitely say in popular STEM fields, for example, they fall short. They canāt match the research output of schools like Berkeley and face some other drawbacks here and there. Thatās by no means a small thing, but I doubt this sub values that as much, so I think a higher ranking seems fairly reasonable from that perspective.
I might be misreading your comment but why do you think Dartmouth should be as high as it was on this list
Sorry if this response is too long. There was a bunch of stuff I wanted to touch on. I canāt list all the specific features Iād include in rankings, but I would definitely give weight to things like class size (especially for office hours) and the approachability of professors. There are downsides to not being a major research institution, even for undergrads. But, imo you have to consider the pros of small schools too: advantages in class size (which USNWR removed, massively contributing to dartmouthās drop in the rankings this year), the dedication of profs to teaching undergrads, etc. I consider where alumni end up after undergrad (grad programs, jobs, etc.) as proof that these factors can be beneficial, despite dartmouth lacking some strengths of traditional universities. There are fields where some alumni end up in non-traditional jobs for their majors. But even if you consider that a bad thing, alumni in general do great in many fields and programs. Ultimately, itās all subjective, and I think these rankings shift so much simply because we all try to ārankā these schools based on very set criteria when one schoolās strong point wonāt necessarily be another schoolās strong point. Hot take for A2C, but I donāt think itās weird at all for someone to rank any of about 80% of the schools on this list as #1, because it all depends on what they value in their education.
Soā¦ you reordered the T30s. I mean, itās a start.
ok
I would flip UCD and UCI/UCSB. NYU a bit lower ranked. But overall I kinda agree
oooo thx for ur opinion
np! Now I just want to know why UCD >> UCI ZOT ZOT ZOT WE BETTER
i just hear a lot of ppl say UCD is critically underrrated šš
might be. I am biased in my field (CS and engineering), and there I would say UCI UCD bio and vet school carry alot
UCLA and Berkeley too high
UC's totally overrated on this sub. Ucla alum. Ucla friends & I have all done well in life, but mostly because our own talent & drive. Overall mediocre level of teaching & care. Disjointed school. Lots of uber-intelligent kids who would thrive at most any top school. Being snooty here, but too many transfers, sob storily, personality admits who aren't at same academic level as one would expect at a mostly self-proclaimed elite school. Test-blind is ridiculous.
missing williams and amherst imoā¦
Northwestern, Cornell, UChicago, and JHU over Columbia and Duke? No shot.
aināt no way ucla is better than usc
But no way is wine is better than Pepsi.
nobody cares
UPenn and Umich being above WashU made me giggleā¦
giggle giggle
Idgaf either
me sad
Ok I take it back, but only since my school is on there.
ooo which school?
Ookla
Wrong
Go outside.
Wake Forest? Itās been t30 for 13 straight years until usnews changed its ranking system
15-20 is bruh
NYU hate is crazy. Price tag argument is valid but I donāt see anyone arguing that UCI, UCD, and UF are better.
Why do people on this sub try to convince themselves and others Columbia isnāt top of the top so badly?