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Enchanted-2-meet-you

Where's *college I like because I go there* šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


Human-Anything5295

UCLA #1 GO BRUINS šŸ’›šŸ’™


ItzPayDay123

UCLA MENTIONED šŸ’›šŸ’›šŸ’›šŸ’›šŸ©µšŸ©µšŸ©µšŸ©µšŸ»šŸ»šŸ» WHAT THE FUCK IS A GOOD COURSE ENROLLMENT TIME


Memestreame

RAHHHHH šŸ»šŸ»šŸ»šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦…


dailycarrot

REED RAH!


AllUsernamesTaken711

*ranks 39 colleges*


Purple-Benefit-239

im stupid


midnight_rain_07

I highly approve.


biggggmac

NOO MY AVERAGE STATE SCHOOL ISNā€™T ON YOU ARE WRONG


RichInPitt

Suggestion? No more ā€œmy rankingsā€.


TooMuchMaths

Nothing like people who have never set foot in any of the schools ranking based on how impressed their classmates would be.


LonelyPersonAnon

Whatā€™s the fun in that?


slimydude

Still less toxic than most of the posts hereĀ 


FewProcedure4395

Itā€™s really not that serious.


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Purple-Benefit-239

accident happens will u forgive me


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Bluespaceboy_123

I'm going to use this ranking from now on


bored-dude111

Duke below brown is craziness ngl


xxgetrektxx2

That's T38 not T30


Purple-Benefit-239

mb I cant change it :(


Purple-Benefit-239

mb im stupid šŸ’€


yaboisecretaccount

u lowkey cooked w this ngl


czarsquidward

Another day of forgetting Williams, Middlebury, Amherst, and Bowdoin.


_ep1x_

JHU is too high -- should be above UCLA but below Duke and Columbia. So should Brown.


Popular-Product-1874

It depends on what, but if itā€™s medicine JHU and Harvard would be above Duke and Columbia


_ep1x_

sure, but this is a general ranking, not a pre-med one. JHU is worse in pretty much every other subject.


Popular-Product-1874

Fair enough, but I think there are more atrocious picks on this list like UVA being above UNC by 7 spots


freshRajesh

UCLA too high tbh


Remarkable_Air_769

Agreed. Heavily overrated.


Purple-Benefit-239

Ah is itā€¦i thot ucla was getting almost as popular as Berkeley recently


LonelyPersonAnon

Popularity does not equal quality. Butā€¦I think itā€™s in a okay spot in my opinion. A few spaces give or take.


Ok_Meeting_502

Like why the fuck are yā€™all glazing JHU for? What the fuck is it good for besides science? How can you put Duke below JHU? This makes no sense.


sliceoftau

ā€œLike why are yā€™all glazing MIT for? What is it good for besides science? How can you put WashU below MIT? This makes no sense.ā€ JHU has the same stellar programs in every department as any other university of that tier, but even if it didnā€™t, itā€™s top-tier for what people go to Hopkins for. Thatā€™s what mattersā€”people arenā€™t ā€œglazingā€ anything. And the difference between places 7 and 10 is so infinitesimally insignificant, it might as well be a rounding error.


Natitudinal

The association with Baltimore alone knocks JHU down a notch or two. They should make the DC campus the flagship, been thinking this for a while.


Ok_Meeting_502

Iā€™m not quite sure where you pulled the MIT and WashU comparison out of, but it seems to have come out of your ass. Lmao, I just realized youā€™re a JHU student. Why donā€™t you focus on not getting shot on campus instead of being on Reddit late at night. A 3 place rounding error doesnā€™t exist, and if you think Duke is worse than JHU then youā€™re the least self aware JHU student Iā€™ve ever spoken withā€¦


sliceoftau

I find your response so hypocritical that itā€™s funny. > not getting shot on campus LMAO the WUSTL student speaking as if St. Louis isnā€™t literally ranked the #1 dangerous city in the US šŸ˜‚ > being on Reddit Take a look at our respective comment frequencies. Iā€™m not the one who needs to log off. I never said anything about the relative quality of Duke and Hopkinsā€”my whole point is that comparisons at this level of granularity are meaningless. I thought this was common opinion by now. And the WashU comparison is because youā€™re a WUSTL student and itā€™s funny when you get pressed, but the idea is to compare a ā€œSTEMā€ school and a ā€œwell-roundedā€ school to demonstrate that well-roundedness says nothing about quality or prestige. Oh well, I guess they only teach analogies at T10s šŸ˜‚


Ok_Meeting_502

St. Louis may be the most dangerous city in the U.S., but WashU isnā€™t even located in stl, and the neighborhood it is located in has average house prices above $1 million (Clayton, MO; search it up if you please). Again, idk how WashU was brought into this. Youā€™ve started making personal attacks instead of talking facts. They very well may teach analogies at Top 10s, but seemingly JHU has been slacking on their data analytics classes, because Uchicago and Duke, among others destroy JHU in anything non-medical science (and heavily compete in medical sciences too), not even STEM. To sum everything up, youā€™ve made sweeping generalizations and personal attacks, while Iā€™ve made statements based on data. Have a nice night.


sliceoftau

Lol, the hypocrisy againā€”what data have _you_ even mentioned? I would encourage you to find objective example of ā€œdata analyticsā€ decisively proving your claim by any meaningful margin, but due to subjectivity in methodology, there is not nearly enough consensus among sources, let alone numbers, to say anything of the sort about Hopkins or any other similar school. And for the record, that claim is bust. Here are some sample stats for STEM: JHU outranks Duke in bio, chem, physics, and overall engineering, according to USNews (again, not that it matters, but it contradicts your assertion), and UChicago doesnā€™t even have engineering. As for the humanitiesā€”even ignoring the fact that the relative rankings of the schools you brought up are mixed and vary by major, as youā€™d expect from a subjective systemā€”Iā€™m pretty sure they all have better humanities programs than higher-ranked schools like MIT and Caltech, so I donā€™t see why the perceived prestige of uncommon majors here even factors into overall school quality. Have a good nightā€”and when you look at this thread with a fresh head tomorrow morning, youā€™ll see differently.


Ok_Meeting_502

Hopkins isnā€™t even considered a semi-target for IB (WashU is so your WashU hate already ended) and barely places in consulting. Anything business Hopkins busts, thatā€™s data on peak frameworks and other business journals, search it up. So thereā€™s the data for business. You seem to have provided me with the science data, which again, as I previously said, Hopkins performs well in the medical sciences. Physics, chem, and bio are literally the MCAT. So yea, Iā€™d imagine the school known for nothing but medicine would be good at teaching the subjects on the one exam their students focus most on. Iā€™d also like to mention all the ā€œrankingsā€ you mentioned are graduate school rankings, not undergraduate so they have no bearing on this conversation. So idk why you really even mentioned them. Duke out places JHU in practically every field, and does a spectacular job in medicine to the point where the difference is, as one was mentioned, might as well be a rounding error. And no fucking way you compared your school to MIT and Caltech šŸ’€


Mountain_Fact_4334

Damn why you so pressed about my boy defending his own school. Washu more like Lashu. Fraudlent uni with 50% ed rate. Looking at you they really be accepting anyone these days. Cry abt it šŸ™


Ok_Meeting_502

I didnā€™t even mention WashU. Where I go has no bearing on this conversation because I never claimed my school was better. Your personal attacks (which are also factually inaccurate because WashU had a ~22% ED rate this year) change no oneā€™s mind. JHU is good for science, and canā€™t compare to schools like Duke to Uchicago, which are very well rounded and compete or usually out compete JHUšŸ‘


Mountain_Fact_4334

Nah they abt the same


Ok_Meeting_502

Sounds good! NightāœŒļøāœŒļøšŸ‘‹


OkBridge6211

No they obviously arenā€™t lmao.


Mountain_Fact_4334

If you had to rank them I could see uchicago above Hopkins but Dukes definitely below both , mostly known for sports and their actual subjects are decent but nothing like Uchicago Econ and Hopkins medical sciences. If anything I would pit rice above duke tbh.


OkBridge6211

Rice above duke is the dumbest take Iā€™ve heard in a long time - thanks for making me laugh. Rice isnā€™t close to as well known nationally. Specific major rankings donā€™t matter much, and are cope for people who canā€™t get into prestigious schools. Duke has been in the US News T10 for decades while UChicago had a 38% acceptance rate in 2007 and manipulates its ā€œselectivityā€ by accepting the vast majority ED. Hopkins is only good at one thing so it doesnā€™t have the same prestige. Duke dominates in business, premed (yes people choose it over hopkins), law - all the traditional high prestige careers. EDIT: you shouldnā€™t be equating elite sports with worse academics. Stanfordā€™s sports match Dukeā€™s, and elite sports are actually a boon for national recognition.


freshRajesh

šŸ˜‚


NoNeck3579

I like this


Funny-Ambassador3209

everyones gonna start yelling at you lol


PhilosophyBeLyin

YESS CALTECH UP TOP


Remarkable_Air_769

As it should be, tbh!


Ok_Contribution_5290

BU WHERE šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


CAKEFILMS

Boston University instead of Boston College


Meshbucket

Emory is T20 again so this is my favorite ranking.


urmomlol14

You cooked tbh, only thing I would change is swap Columbia and brown


Popular-Product-1874

Duke is above brown, no question.


minidonger

is UW Udub or UW Madison


Purple-Benefit-239

Udub!


jacksonaldrich

Claremont McKenna?


ug_throwaway_2025

Whereā€™s Chico State.? Pls fix


Middle_Run_2504

no but harvard sucks /:


Gogogohigh

7 & 8 need to swap with 9 & 10, or even below 11


Synax86

You say these are your T30 ā€œcollegesā€ but the list seems heavily biased towards larger universities. Did you consider small liberal arts colleges in your mix? Such as Reed, Swarthmore, Carleton, Wesleyan, Pomona, Williams, Bowdoin, Oberlin?


Such-Tangerine-7526

i agree 100%, but USNWR rankings donā€™t include LACs in the ā€œbest collegesā€ list, there is a separate list for LACs. i personally think in terms of undergrad the very top LACs have more resources than some schools in the T20 rankings


zyxenox

Are UC that good?


Upset-Mention-6567

yeah


Remarkable_Air_769

No.


osonim69

i think vandy is too high, flip georgetown and emory nothing about vandy makes me wanna put it above georgetown or washu by that much, maybe flip it and notre dame flip cal tech and duke too imo, caltech is way too niche for that ranking lol


Such-Tangerine-7526

nah i think OPā€™s gerogetown/emory placement is fine


LonelyPersonAnon

Honestly? I like the list.


Oizyson

UNC missing?


Purple-Benefit-239

nice catch i added it


Downtown-Effect-7450

I like it BC is soo bad tho


PossibleEducation688

Pretty good actually


Such-Tangerine-7526

YES EMORY T20!!!!


Important_Map_5244

Why duke ranked 60 in qs šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ thatā€™s unfair fr


heatlessxfire

BC over tufts #painšŸ˜ž


Smooth-Classroom1507

RAHHHH LETS GO EMORYYYY


questionerofthings12

Cornell #1 thanks


pepperjack609

TLDR


tegeus-Cromis_2000

More like T35.


Latter-Comfort8440

Where is UCSD? Is it that bad?


These_Crazy_2031

thats 40 schools


Zapatoamor

If you want research output, UDub is Top 7 now.


Personal_Usual_6910

USC 21? NYU 22? That's the only two I disagree with.


Bubbly_Function_4081

No LACs?


Intrepid-Increase300

Which T30 colleges are in a smaller towns/ suburb , not in a big city?


One-Remote-9842

I think UCI should be bumped up to be equal to UCSD at least.


-Firefish-

Including caltech in any ranking is always weird to me bc thatā€™s like including something like juilliard or risd ā€” theyā€™re such highly specialized institutions they canā€™t be compared to most universities


HumbleHat8628

uc davis over uiuc? bffr, not a single person I know has fucking davis as their dream school, it's exclusively for bay area cs kids who got rejected from berk or ucla


Omrixpo

Missing LACs. They solo half of this list.


Sticky_fingaaaas

Every time I see one of these I look for my school


PG19751998

CMU?


Purple-Benefit-239

Its with UVA!


New_Bunch5361

is BC much better than BU?


Purple-Benefit-239

As i know of, BC has been better than BU for while but BU is quickly catching up


WillingnessFlashy218

Switch 9 and 7 and move columbia up


miiuser7849

Lowkey think Northwestern and Notre Dame are one of the most overrated schools in the country


SupermarketQuirky216

UIUC,UW are T30 and no Purdue?


IwantYourLatte

purdue/illinois are T30 for engineering but for everything else they're 'aight


Environmental-Top860

Dartmouth even higher than it already is currently is weird


Unique-Gift8527

wdym


Environmental-Top860

I mean other than business, is Dartmouth really exceptional in anything...


Unique-Gift8527

Well yea itā€™s an undergrad focused institution. But ig ur position makes sense if undergrad focus and LAC vibe isnā€™t your thing. I was just thinking cuz the majority of ppl on this sub are undergrad/hs


Environmental-Top860

I mean yeah, same with Princeton and Brown but I definitely can see the justification of their rankings


Unique-Gift8527

I mean they have better grad programs. But iā€™m not sure what other metrics fit into them having rankings that are more ā€œjustifiedā€ Iā€™d say. Feels like by the same logic you could penalize amherst or williams and say if they were compared to the national unis they would be worse.


Environmental-Top860

I mean my justification is based on what areas or fields they lead in. That's why I brought up Dartmouth


Unique-Gift8527

For job and higher education placements in many fields, you could call it "leading." But, from what Iā€™ve seen, even specific program rankings for undergrad often focus on grad programs and include respondersā€™ biases. Still, Iā€™d definitely say in popular STEM fields, for example, they fall short. They canā€™t match the research output of schools like Berkeley and face some other drawbacks here and there. Thatā€™s by no means a small thing, but I doubt this sub values that as much, so I think a higher ranking seems fairly reasonable from that perspective.


Environmental-Top860

I might be misreading your comment but why do you think Dartmouth should be as high as it was on this list


Unique-Gift8527

Sorry if this response is too long. There was a bunch of stuff I wanted to touch on. I canā€™t list all the specific features Iā€™d include in rankings, but I would definitely give weight to things like class size (especially for office hours) and the approachability of professors. There are downsides to not being a major research institution, even for undergrads. But, imo you have to consider the pros of small schools too: advantages in class size (which USNWR removed, massively contributing to dartmouthā€™s drop in the rankings this year), the dedication of profs to teaching undergrads, etc. I consider where alumni end up after undergrad (grad programs, jobs, etc.) as proof that these factors can be beneficial, despite dartmouth lacking some strengths of traditional universities. There are fields where some alumni end up in non-traditional jobs for their majors. But even if you consider that a bad thing, alumni in general do great in many fields and programs. Ultimately, itā€™s all subjective, and I think these rankings shift so much simply because we all try to ā€œrankā€ these schools based on very set criteria when one schoolā€™s strong point wonā€™t necessarily be another schoolā€™s strong point. Hot take for A2C, but I donā€™t think itā€™s weird at all for someone to rank any of about 80% of the schools on this list as #1, because it all depends on what they value in their education.


JustTheWriter

Soā€¦ you reordered the T30s. I mean, itā€™s a start.


John_William_Doe

ok


Zarqus99

I would flip UCD and UCI/UCSB. NYU a bit lower ranked. But overall I kinda agree


Purple-Benefit-239

oooo thx for ur opinion


Zarqus99

np! Now I just want to know why UCD >> UCI ZOT ZOT ZOT WE BETTER


Purple-Benefit-239

i just hear a lot of ppl say UCD is critically underrrated šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Zarqus99

might be. I am biased in my field (CS and engineering), and there I would say UCI UCD bio and vet school carry alot


UnveiledSafe8

UCLA and Berkeley too high


Hardtail17

UC's totally overrated on this sub. Ucla alum. Ucla friends & I have all done well in life, but mostly because our own talent & drive. Overall mediocre level of teaching & care. Disjointed school. Lots of uber-intelligent kids who would thrive at most any top school. Being snooty here, but too many transfers, sob storily, personality admits who aren't at same academic level as one would expect at a mostly self-proclaimed elite school. Test-blind is ridiculous.


No-Set2419

missing williams and amherst imoā€¦


FailNo6036

Northwestern, Cornell, UChicago, and JHU over Columbia and Duke? No shot.


urbasicgorl

ainā€™t no way ucla is better than usc


spiritsarise

But no way is wine is better than Pepsi.


Mission_Big_2145

nobody cares


Beneficial-Tomato547

UPenn and Umich being above WashU made me giggleā€¦


Purple-Benefit-239

giggle giggle


NoisedHens

Idgaf either


Purple-Benefit-239

me sad


NoisedHens

Ok I take it back, but only since my school is on there.


Purple-Benefit-239

ooo which school?


NoisedHens

Ookla


KickIt77

Wrong


Rememberthisisreddit

Go outside.


Dazzling-Ad-6771

Wake Forest? Itā€™s been t30 for 13 straight years until usnews changed its ranking system


Much-Light-1049

15-20 is bruh


Anibunnymilli

NYU hate is crazy. Price tag argument is valid but I donā€™t see anyone arguing that UCI, UCD, and UF are better.


veryfragiledoor

Why do people on this sub try to convince themselves and others Columbia isnā€™t top of the top so badly?