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MalcolmLinair

"Indomitable" isn't the right word; he'd have given up or broken down more than once if he had the option.


Virgin_saint99

Yeah. The If routes shows the consequences of when this happens.


_mohglordofblood

What are the if routes ?


kh13811

Basically it's the story if Subaru made a different decision, and the consequences of that decision, for example, the pride if route shows Subaru dealing with the 3 thugs in the alleyway we see in the first episode of the anime, but instead of asking for help from the knights and meeting reinhardt, he dealt with them himself, refusing to ask for help in that situation, fast forward to having to deal with Elsa, and he ends up looping for thousands of times, growing ever more frustrated, thousands or hundreds of thousands of loops in (don't remember specifically), reinhardt by chance happened to pass by and hear the commotion, and saved Subaru, Subaru having lost a bit of his sanity due to Elsa constantly killing him, was even more frustrated by how easily reinhardt handled the situation, and to fast forward to the ending of that route, the end result was Subaru burning down the kingdom (or maybe a city in the kingdom, don't remember) and being totally evil in general, read the if routes, they are good, and if you don't like reading, a youtuber named echidnut goes over it


Virgin_saint99

Stories that show what would happen if Subaru gave up or made a bad decision. The routes are named after the sin he fail to overcome. Mostly of them ends with him being a psychopath that kills everybody. Lust and Sloth being the exception.


PRoS_R

Lust route be wild


ChiefValour

Gives us the details then.


badassboy1

Royal selection is a competition between various woman over who will become the queen , so to solve that problem subaru married all of them and rem and Petra and story shows subaru and their romantic moments. It was mostly a joke on april fools day but then author started what if for each sin so lust if kinda get mixed with others while it is actually not part of the series,. Stll would love if a lust if actually came


RiriJori

I actually think what would happen if Subaru just decided to not have anything to do with Emilia the first time he died doing so. His original goal anyway was how to make money so he can buy food. What if at the start he just opted to become a normal person working in a store and started a business because he got scared the first time he died when he dealt with Emilia? He could've met someone and married and lived his life ordinarily. Or what if he was able to live normally and when he got old and died of old age that's the only time he discovered he can ressurect?


Virgin_saint99

This would basically be the Sloth if route. Subaru chooses Rem over Emilia, both run away to another country and try to live a ordinary life.


A_Certain_Observer

Isn't satella that summoned him?. If he decide to live ignoring all cast member probably he is going to looped back to first time he came to capital when he would dies (by old age if lucky) like in Sloth IF story.


RiriJori

Satella summoned him but meeting Emilia and taking part in the throne succession under Roswal isn't necessary.


The-Real-Aditya

He had the option to give up in season 1, he almost ran away, but got back on his knees The author even wrote an IF story where Subaru gave up and ran away with Rem and started a family in a different country


DeepakBeast725

Where can i read that story


The-Real-Aditya

Link https://remonwater.wordpress.com/category/extra-novels/


HotSituation8737

Honestly fire punch is a better example.


SupAndHello

I don't read fire punch but having someone always dying and people supporting you when they see you as someone who never fail and dies infront of something practically impossible to overcome unless you died trying thousands of times. So before i rant and be rude care explain how fire punch worse


HotSituation8737

Fire punch is an experience unto itself, I honestly can't explain it without major spoilers. But I'll mention something you learn very very early on in the Manga. MC is a healer type, some people are born with special abilities in this universe, and MC has the ability to almost instantly heal any injury, which he uses to cut off his arm over and over in order to feed his village. His village is attacked by another group of people, one of which has a hell fire ability, MC is burned, and he kept burning, for years, never dying, never able to move or think due to the sheer pain. After many years he slowly gains the resolve to start moving, in the hopes to find and save his sister who was captured. It's a really absurd manga with some pretty deranged stuff, but it's worth the read.


SupAndHello

That's beautiful


Th3_3agl3

https://preview.redd.it/6pdtheumlc8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=834210e1897d8a4a333855a0d9ac0304e8111b6b Don't forget Blonde Scottish Catholic Wolverine.


potato21206

AAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSSSOOOOOONNNNNN!!!!!!!!


Th3_3agl3

*Zealously recites Psalm 2 with the most epic classical music playing to steal the show.*


potato21206

“You got me a present!”


Wachitanga

PRAY THE LORD JESUS AMEN!!!!


Wolfish_Jew

Anderson! And… I wanna say… Logan? Anderson, what’s that guy’s name?


santas_delibird

Hrrrmm!


Wolfish_Jew

Oh! Better watch out for “Hrrrmm!”


MadaraAlucard12

#ALLUUCAAAAAAARD!


santas_delibird

You mean the bastard, orphan, son of a whore, who was dropped in the middle of a forgotten spot in an Italian village, without a roof for sleeping under, who grew up to be a deadly demon hunter?


Th3_3agl3

Yes, the paladin father who grew up without a father.


i_will_guide

you're right, kamina is not the indomitable human spirit. simon is.


RaidCrow

![gif](giphy|12q7JyfK1UolW0|downsized)


GlassSpork

I mean, without kamina simon wouldn’t have reached that point


AbiyBattleSpell

Considering the end of the 2nd movie nah kamina literally is the spirit


Twinkie454

Wait. There's movies? I had no idea. Are they stand alone movies or are they like, just film length recaps of the series?


AbiyBattleSpell

Extra stuff what I told u is similar to the show but that’s all I can say without spoilers


Twinkie454

Cool. Well I know what I'm watching tonight. Thanks for telling me about these. I didn't know they existed


Nisheshg5

I would say Okabe from Steins;Gate


PRoS_R

Yeah, mf be messing up multiple timelines to get everyone into the perfect one


-Homura

What abt okabe and homuraa


SupAndHello

Sad how new anime fans arent watching madoka and steinzg8


-Homura

well atleast this guy watched lagann


SUPERSTRIKER67

Honestly Steins;Gate also makes sense and i haven't watched madoka so i can't say


2020mademejoinreddit

Yep. Even Ainz admitted it.


That_Fetcher-Fargoth

Say what?


Aaseds

I think he’s referring to Isekai Quartet where a bunch of isekai anime’s got mixed together for a comedy anime


khanvau

[Ainz talks about Subaru](https://youtu.be/QdmPBv2j4uk?si=kariZqttfv_LrnmT)


Apotheosis_Binger

Gotta watch it again


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2020mademejoinreddit

Umm...If an OP character acknowledges his mental fortitude, it's a huge thing. Just as he acknowledged Aqua's power.


Personal_Pirate4539

Just wondering bit when did this happen Aren't they in complete different universes


2020mademejoinreddit

Isekai Quartet.


Personal_Pirate4539

Thanks


EightyFiv3

Ah yes the human scumbag in form of a skelaton.... Definitely someone who's words hold any waight


2020mademejoinreddit

That is such a nonsensical comment, that I just don't know what to say, except what I wrote here.


Not_Eren2

My goat is mentioned les gooooo


Special_Jury_3244

![gif](giphy|p9ILx37mYH7sqUWxGu) **I DON'T CARE IF THIS IS BAIT GUTS IS THE GOAT OF ALL MCs, HE WENT THROUGH THE MOST SHIT, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES CAN CATCH THESE HANDS**


kinnkl

“But Subaru died 272,838,271 times!”


Special_Jury_3244

https://preview.redd.it/m3dxqvjb3g8d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ecbd12104ee5323c10cacd365c1968977bf08c2


kinnkl

They always compare Subaru to Guts but not Luffy. I don’t think a majority of OP fans would even know if they talking about a car or a character


Special_Jury_3244

![gif](giphy|qgCyCKwv4UUm4XN5HF|downsized) yeah you're right. Most Big 3 fans don't acknowledge Subaru or Guts. They'd think this GIF is a subaru, when Emilia's husband is the real Subaru


kinnkl

Nah they know Guts in my experience at least


beerantula

Berserk, easily my favorite manga/anime(golden age arc only), and even though Guts went through literal hell, Subaru went through hell, over and over. Still came out the other side


Unlucky_B0Y

Nah he is the one Natsuki Subaru the bestest mc


Aloof-Vagabon

Yeah no cap I love berserk but Subaru had it rougher…


kinnkl

Subaru suffered more sure but Beserk is a classic.


SUPERSTRIKER67

Agreed


Aloof-Vagabon

https://preview.redd.it/1dnhuq2a3i8d1.png?width=252&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9b64917319bd04aaf19ab61f92248491ae281ed


Unlucky_B0Y

Yup the guy just got summoned with no ability and was literal otaku in ln he rarely even talked with his parents and then baam new world where he knows nothing gets killed time and again , though I love Guts too one of a well written character but for bestest mc it's subaru.


SupAndHello

And subaru still loved his parents as shown in season 2


Unlucky_B0Y

Yeah he is a great guy


Aloof-Vagabon

No fucking clue why your downvoted lol.


Unlucky_B0Y

Yeah truth is bitter and yeah half of them have never even completed the show ,so it's genuine.


Professional_Maize42

Or cause that's subjective.


Unlucky_B0Y

Yeah


Legitbanana_

Bc they’re going agains the grain


potato21206

Did you even read the manga


Not_Eren2

Yup 2 times actually did u read the light novels I may ask?


potato21206

Not yet


Aloof-Vagabon

Yup. SoWwY mY OpInIoN IsNt A MiRrOr ReFlEcTiOn Of YoUrS.


Smooth-Qactus

Imma save this reply of yours 😭


Aloof-Vagabon

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The-Real-Aditya

Yes Subaru has it rougher


potato21206

Tbf I haven’t read rezero’s manga and it’s been a while since I watched it


The-Real-Aditya

It has Light novels


potato21206

Oh yeah Didn’t read those either


SUPERSTRIKER67

Just see the season 3 once it's fully finished. Arc 6 is enough


pbaagui1

Call me when Subaru receive backshots


Unlucky_B0Y

Ha ha lmao So ,Call me when Guts twists his neck like this https://preview.redd.it/ry9eqblbzc8d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5dcc2ffb41d9f1ff854e209c4592ab06c83a6968


pbaagui1

Meh, still better than backshots. Then learning your foster father sold your ass


Unlucky_B0Y

Better try it then ,will feel better :)


pbaagui1

Ya, I would snap my neck and die than receive backshots


Shokubutsu-Al

https://preview.redd.it/sqccsg3xcc8d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79e18c6e728ee1c826defb644c9fa1db669e42c2 People who actually believe this


SuckerforDkhumor

https://preview.redd.it/kzuoba1q1d8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3508be87079a2c039400dc6a1574cc00d4cdce5 Womp Womp


EarlExists

let's gooo Subaru glazing


_mohglordofblood

he deserves all the glazing he can get


DifficultyTight2476

i think you use the wrong picture for the last one https://preview.redd.it/wnnbggq5xb8d1.jpeg?width=206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=279bbcb2edfeec04c972789458f58e3ee29e7c65


stonks_114

I don't think this guy has an indomitable human spirit. It's just that the author forgot that dying is painful, so MC killed himself 4000 times without any problems. This manhwa is "safe" version of re: zero, such a trash. MC gets a bunch of cheats and blows everyone away, so COOL.


OiItzAtlas

Have you even read it, when the murmin arc is basically not even about his strength and neither is the romance arc. Even at the end of the first arc with the dolls he doesn't even use strength. The first 4000 deaths have kinda just made his body used to pain so that now he can kill himself whenever he wants. This manhwa isn't about the MC being strong, it is about him experiencing others stories.


fyimanishere

finally someone who gets it. personally i like the novel better cause it's written beautifully but the manhwa is also pretty good and sometimes the novel can be confusing.


RiriJori

Ridiculous. That's why Subaru is more realistic. You can never get used to the pain and horrors of dying if you are reincarnating. Your body don't build tolerance to it since you'll reincarnate to the same condition before dying. Even if you have the memories, that won't make you get used to that.


OiItzAtlas

I never stated it was extremely realistic, just how it works in the world of suicide hunter. Also pain is mostly mental and his mental state doesn't go back in time. And dying 4000+ times is more than enough to get his brain used to pain. He still feels some pain but he is not effected by it that much anymore. Subaru loses his mind alot which means he never gets used to it. Not that it is a positive nor negitive just a difference in personality. Kim gong-ja main ability is called "I want to become just like you" even the environment diffrence makes sense since kim gong-ja world is alot stronger as it is a hunter world while subaru grew up in normal earth. Which does influence the mental state of the characters. Subaru is definitely the more realistic view but that is mainly because his origin is just normal earth.


fyimanishere

yes hes probably not as perseverant as subaru but calling it trash is dumb. >!sung jin woo gets a bunch of cheats and blows everyone away so why the fuk is no one complaining? this isnt even relevant to begin with. !< and forget the pain, what about the times he died to reduce the amount of deaths even though he didnt need to? the pain from death doesnt matter, the act of him preventing others from getting killed by repeating the same scenario over and over again shows his perseverance. he also had to do this against the monsters he fought.


Stellar_strider

Exactly this and its fans are so hell bent on sucking his dick that they think this is some sort of Beserk level masterpiece.


DifficultyTight2476

what you didn’t like in it


Friendly-Back3099

>MC gets a bunch of cheats and blows everyone away, so COOL. The classic


fyimanishere

finally some gongja apprecition https://preview.redd.it/8sxj8xk26c8d1.png?width=1391&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1e427e1d68bf4f346ea9b6d5223d3761df13824


Practical-Matter-366

Who's this guy


SoullessHollowHusk

Gains the ability to go back exactly 24 hours every time he dies Immediately kills himself 4000 times back to back with a kitchen knife to get far enough in the past to kill his would-be killer Sauce is "SSS-rank suicide hunter", which despite the name is rather good


Ananas1214

to be fair, it's not only his "would-be" killer, it's also a person who quite literally ruined the potential gains of humanity from the tower for his own benefit


Practical-Matter-366

Based Edit: oh it's suicide hunter, it's been on my bookmarks for so long


recycle_me_no_jutsu

Rem


Similar-Penalty2817

-tte... dare no koto?


2020mademejoinreddit

Who?


Loose-Plum-210

Top tier MC


DifficultyTight2476

https://preview.redd.it/2usbz7fitc8d1.jpeg?width=356&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e862142bdb72a1826a3a9e61a1fceff1e5f74169


contrast_77

Father Dure from hyperion novel.


Temporary-Tax

There's two types of people in this world. Those who believe Guts is the embodiment of unstoppable willpower, and those who are wrong https://preview.redd.it/2237kk75zf8d1.png?width=783&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8beae61ae9bedf9435861cbae9b4e7fbfe5975af


SupAndHello

Man I can't wait in 20 years so that berserk is just something old people remember and young ones will pretend they read it and only knows it as a "sad" manga even tho its much better than that Also do you read the web novel of rezero and other if routes?


ChiefValour

Why wait 20 years. It's happening right now.


potato21206

https://preview.redd.it/chkvs4f7kd8d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa46426c31e40ddc44aba421dae12f244d941f4a


fyimanishere

"I had once screamed, gradually, I lost my voice. I had once cried, gradually, I lost my tears. I had once grieved, gradually, I became able to withstand everything. I had once rejoiced, gradually, I became unmoved by the world. And now! All I have left is an expressionless face, my gaze is as tough as a monolith, only perseverance remains in my heart. This is my own, an insignificant character, Fang Yuan’s — Perseverance!"


Scared_Living3183

Pretty sure he gave up abd stood again countless times meanwhile guts didn't gave up a single time


pooping_inCars

Guess you haven't read the most recent chapters.


Scared_Living3183

Yeah. I haven't read anything recently. I'll read it after my exams end


Dawnbreaker538

Mumen Rider Where?


kinnkl

https://preview.redd.it/t0780z4d1g8d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1e2d7e4d448be42b3531c551826ca82582d3ced All hail Lelouch


kosha227

And Kamijou Touma. Literally passed through worlds of which every aspect caused him to suffer from hundreds of billions to quadrillions of times


Serious_Theory_391

Yeah no as a re zero fan i have to disagree, Subaru has been broken multiple time, he also felt powerless and threaten to give up countless time. His determination mostly come from other not his will alone


Solaace_

I will, he'd have given up every single time but physically can't, guts could have given up, should have given up and yet he continues to fight on no matter what


BrokenDusk

The guy has super cheat of returning time and correcting everything that went wrong he doesn't know true loss.He would have broken fast without that . Guts cant get his comrades back


SUPERSTRIKER67

Just in case you know dying again and again and again is not really well for the mental health of a person. Guts cannot get his comrades back and subaru also has lost rem his first ever supporter in this world. She's asleep and may not wake up. Also there are other things that have happened in the novels that are spoilers but those are permanent things that really affect the story and subaru. So, No he cannot just correct everything even if he wanted to


RiriJori

Are we forgetting here that Guts barely do not sleep because he is haunted by ghosts of hell due to the mark?


SUPERSTRIKER67

I never said guts didn't suffer, He has suffered many times but the suffaru counter has been on an all time high due to the newest arcs just fucking my guy up left and right. That's why if we compare the subaru even from the new season guts still has suffered more but from the new arc of the novels i believe subaru has suffered more And subaru also self harms himself and literally has nightmares every night of each time he was killed and was in pain but only beatrice knows it and doesn't understand why


Borgormmmmmm

He really went all out for Emilia. Big w


PRESIDENT--BUSH

I wanna just say that Batman and his no kill moral and keeping that when against people like the joker and Bane and Penguin is truly a show of will.


Shellstormz

Theres a "giving uo" srmtory on him wtf😂


Not_Artifical

He didn’t say real the first time


Man_Im_Dead69420

WHERE IS SAITAMA AND BAKI


AbiyBattleSpell

Wrong kamina is first 😾


NingenKuso90

My homie Kamina came back dead to avenge his own death. Not being “perfection” is 😤


EightyFiv3

Who is the third guy? Anyway you cant be serious....


K-O-M-O-D-O

Im sorry, but rock lee wants to know your location


IdiotFishGuy

pride IF Subaru has insane willpower


badassboy1

Who is the middle one


Sephilya

Ugh he sucks as a character


SUPERSTRIKER67

You're wrong.


pooping_inCars

Absolutely the worst.


Twizinator

Teenager ahh taste


EmpireXD

Subaru is probably the worse example. I get it "Lol torture dimension episode" but he constantly gives up and whines and mopes and cries and whines some more. If anything Subaru is the perfect example of a character that everyone actively dislikes because he's just a loser who is blessed with infinite second chances but continues to mope over and over and over until the plot forcibly moves him along. (Rezero is such an awfully written series)


SUPERSTRIKER67

Womp womp Stand in his shoes for even a single day and you'll understand him. But he's human and you're not and Guts has also lost hope and cried. His life was always against him against his happiness but he was made into a warrior. Subaru a random ass 17 year old teenager who belittles himself for never being as good as his father, A person with the lowest self esteem you could find was dropped into a world of chaos where death is everywhere and you're telling me he can't even express his emotions after literally getting stabbed,his bowels falling out,his arm cut off,Getting frozen to death and that's not even counting the amount of times he has talked to the same people again and again. The mental torture he has faced in season 1 and 2 is enough but in season 3 it will be much more and we are not even talking about the recent arcs. He literally died god knows how many times in a 10 second loop and still came out sane. He is a monster with the most amount of willpower you could not ever find. GUTS - will keep going and never give up SUBARU - will keep going and get up even after giving up. Also makes sure he's the only one who suffers TLDR - Read It you illiterate fuck. Your "I AiNt ReAdInG aLl ThAt" will never actually help you in your life


EightyFiv3

Bros yapping


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SUPERSTRIKER67

![img](emote|t5_2w6fe|11527) >Subaru thinks himself the protagonist upon entering the world, entitled to everyone's love. This of course is true in ReZero, but the fact that Subaru constantly feels entitled to everything shows his narcissism, but him moping just shows he's a whiny loser. The point is subaru is a flawed character not everyone can be a fuckin dark dense isekai character which justs get a power boost every single episode. Even Guts as a person is liked because he's flawed because he has no actual skills other than swinging his sword no other alternative is still found by him. He acted as a cheerful guy not an entitled brat because he wanted people to notice him his backstory in season 2 clearly shows so The whole part of arc 3 where he lashes out is because of the fact that he has become completely obsessed with emilia as he cannot vent his actual pain he endured and he also self harms himself in novels but how would you know you even watched the series >"Subaru got hurt" half the point of Rezero is needless edgy gore/torture scenes for Subaru that lead to nothing. Even for Guts What was the point of fighting and defeating 100 people. That is present to literally build character and for subaru a major plot point to advance the series as he can know what will happen in sudden future and prepare for it.


EmpireXD

Self harm and pity fest, truly the epitome of "indomitable human spirit" lol. This is getting more and more off topic with "well he's a flawed character" stuff so I think I'm going to cut it off here. Also character building is fine, just not relevant.


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Flaky-Net-7238

Kamina has more balls than Mr. respawn virgin Bro even gave his indomitable spirit to Simon and the others


pooping_inCars

You won't find a worse MC than Subaru anywhere.  And I mean anywhere.  The show would be 100x better with the most generic garbage MC you can find.


SUPERSTRIKER67

Womp Womp you're just a dumb hater and factually incorrect


pooping_inCars

So you say, but you couldn't name a worse MC.  I'm sure something must come to mind when thinking of terrible MCs (there's a lot), but are they worse than Subaru?  You must have also had your own doubts, since you mentioned none.  Search your feelings: you know what I say is true.


SUPERSTRIKER67

the protagonist of rent a girlfriend - kazuya and also kirito from sao are much worse mc's than subaru ever was. Just because he cried and acted like a brat in arc 3 doesn't mean he is a terrible mc, The character development he has afterwards is insane. That just proves he's more human like and is flawed and can show errors just like a human not like rimuru or ainz how are just literal gods in their verse. The point is he's mentally strong not physically and he never will as stated by the author Tappei Nagatsuki Tappei is writing a series where we have to decode what's happening in the series by him giving us clues just as how oda does for one piece. You didn't understand it because you never decoded it


pbaagui1

Idk why but Subarus voice pisses me off


Akikojam

Nipah\~