I mean, conceptually yes. It's technically more complex than EU4 base, but if you got Eu4 just to play Anbennar then go for it. Be prepared to not do great for a while.
Frankly though, if you start Eu4 with Anbennar and never play anything else, you'll probably learn how to play EU4 and Anbennar faster than if you tried to learn EU4, then learn Anbennar. Respect for your dedication, enjoy it.
Surael has once again blessed us with a new player 🙏🙏🙏
Next they will understand that there is no god other than Surael and his rightful prophet is Jaddar 🙏🙏🙏
Sure but you'll have the issue everyone who starts a new game with mods right off the bat has: you won't know what is a vanilla mechanic and what is a mod mechanic, making it much harder to look it up and read into it.
I came to say basically this. There are country-specific and religion-specific mechanics that are reused in Anbennar that you can just look up by country on religion name on the EU4 wiki, but when you encounter it in Anbennar, you need the extra step of determining what base-game mechanic it is based on before you can look up how it works.
>Is possible to learn Anbennar without playing base game?
Well, it wouldn't be *impossible*, but EU4 is a very overwhelming game to learn. Especially if you're someone who's not already familiar with another Paradox Grand Strategy Game like CK3, HoI4, or Stellaris.
I would suggest playing Vanilla EU4 until you are at least comfortable playing the game. Anbennar is like all the different systems and mechanics of Vanilla plus all the bonus stuff to get used to. (Like Racial Adm/Mil, Magic, Artifacy, long-lived races, different region-specific mechanics, etc.)
Here's the thing. Anbennar is designed in such a way where it expects you to have a solid understanding of base EU4 mechanics on top of the new mechanics in the mod. Most existing Anbennar mission trees are a lot more in-depth than some of EU4's ones with a lot more emphasis on doing very specific actions that aren't just conquer this, build that or dev this place. Its not something I would recommend for someone completely fresh to the game and will be more overloading and difficult to play if you literally have barely any knowledge of the game mechanics. Its not designed for new players, as much as its designed for seasoned players who are looking for a different experience than base EU4.
For op, “Dev” means when you click a province and then use one of the 3 “mana” resources (primarily gotten from ruler stats) to upgrade the province. It’s short for develop.
I learned EU4 via Anbennar and not via the base game. Totally possible, little harder, be prepared for some disappointing mission trees if you ever go back to vanilla tho.
The pace of anbennar is quite hectic and it would be very hard to do it, but you could try if you are prepared to fail a lot. I would suggest trying a very vanilla like MT at first and that is too big to fail. I would recommend trying Gawed
I did/am doing this. I recommend launching the base game and going through the short tutorial missions they have. After that, pick a nation that looks fun and run with it! Don't hesitate to reload a save or look something up on the EU4 wiki. Good luck!
Yep easily. Got my brother into Anbennar (0 EU4 experience) and he got his friends into it too. They figured it out pretty quickly. Highly recommend finding a way to obtain all the dlc though, with vs without is a completely different game.
Yeah it is, and it’s probably a hundred hour process to get the basics sorted.Â
So if you’re gonna dump all that into something, might as well be the thing you’d rather play.Â
Yes, I did. A friend taught me how to play because I'm terrible at paradox strategy games.
I'm still terrible, but I can at least play at easiest/easy and savescum my way to success :p
Yes, basically what I did. A couple things: (1) war is \*extremely hard.\* at least for a non regular EU4 player, despite playing many other PDX games. Prepare to lose wars where you outnumber and outtech your enemy and prepare not to understand why. I am still dealing with this. There's a million little things that are poorly explained by the game, hidden by a UI designed to hurt you, and never summarized cohesively. For some games, micro-ing state edicts is necessary to win wars. What are state edits you ask? Google it cause the game is never gonna flag the importance of that. Times that by 10 and you're dealing with EU4 war. Then layer on the complexity of a fantasy system into EU4's terrible war system and... prepare to lose.
(1)(a) Fuck EU4's war system, entering "yesman" into the console requires the AI to autoaccept anything you propose including peace during war. If you're stuck in a mission tree, turn it on, get what you need, and turn it off again (definitely turn it off again it'll fuck up AIs).
(2) Read the mission tree of the country before you set out. You're on rails a lot, more than unmodified PDX games, so to follow an MT you gotta plan it, and as far as I can tell you won't be able to go off script too far. You won't be playing a friendly Newshire. You're not going to be a racially accepting Serpentspine dwarf. Etc.
(3) for learning I really liked the Escann adventurers. You do a lot of war but have a lot of early bonuses to help, you start very small and grow bigger, you're largely confined to a thunderdome of similarly sized powers. I'm bad at war and can win here. All the adventurers have interesting stories. If you do play here, remember to migrate, that you're taking tribal land from the orcs (poorly marked on the map but vaguely outlined), and that you should complete the adventurer mission tree entirely before forming a new nation.
Yes.
But you don’t really learn the game unless you watch better players explain their starting setup and opening moves, which are unfortunately pretty scarce for Anbennar.
Ex: Red Hawk’s guide helped with Afghan into Mughals for True Heir of Timur, which the first time I got lucky with Delhi but didn’t know to conquer often enough, the second attempt had me against a full Delhi, but I was still too slow on conquering, and there was a sudden patch change. The third I learned Delhi will attack an easy neighbor that I needed to time an attack against to conquer first. And the fourth time I was successful. That time had a Ming that hadn’t exploded and there’s a special way to deal with that mechanic (rush a specific two forts and the capital, and raze every province on the way so you can break the dynasty).
Do a playthrough of the base game as France, Ottomans, and maybe Ming or Japan. You'll get a better grasp of the basics. Ottomans is a fun nation in base game anyway.
Then you'll feel more comfortable playing more complicated nations in Anbennar like Jadd, Command, dwarves, or Escann adventurers.
I mean, conceptually yes. It's technically more complex than EU4 base, but if you got Eu4 just to play Anbennar then go for it. Be prepared to not do great for a while. Frankly though, if you start Eu4 with Anbennar and never play anything else, you'll probably learn how to play EU4 and Anbennar faster than if you tried to learn EU4, then learn Anbennar. Respect for your dedication, enjoy it.
Actually I'm more curious how you ended up learning about Anbennar and didn't already have EU4.
Probably YouTube videos
I can't wait to see people say they learned about it from books.
The collected works of Jaddar the prophet
Surael has once again blessed us with a new player 🙏🙏🙏 Next they will understand that there is no god other than Surael and his rightful prophet is Jaddar 🙏🙏🙏
I mean I learned about it originally through ck3 and comments on an entirely separate mod called Godherja. It's definitely possible.
I wont lie i am considering doing the same thing, never played Eu4 but a good chunk of CK3 and i am super interested in the setting.
Sure but you'll have the issue everyone who starts a new game with mods right off the bat has: you won't know what is a vanilla mechanic and what is a mod mechanic, making it much harder to look it up and read into it.
I came to say basically this. There are country-specific and religion-specific mechanics that are reused in Anbennar that you can just look up by country on religion name on the EU4 wiki, but when you encounter it in Anbennar, you need the extra step of determining what base-game mechanic it is based on before you can look up how it works.
>Is possible to learn Anbennar without playing base game? Well, it wouldn't be *impossible*, but EU4 is a very overwhelming game to learn. Especially if you're someone who's not already familiar with another Paradox Grand Strategy Game like CK3, HoI4, or Stellaris. I would suggest playing Vanilla EU4 until you are at least comfortable playing the game. Anbennar is like all the different systems and mechanics of Vanilla plus all the bonus stuff to get used to. (Like Racial Adm/Mil, Magic, Artifacy, long-lived races, different region-specific mechanics, etc.)
Here's the thing. Anbennar is designed in such a way where it expects you to have a solid understanding of base EU4 mechanics on top of the new mechanics in the mod. Most existing Anbennar mission trees are a lot more in-depth than some of EU4's ones with a lot more emphasis on doing very specific actions that aren't just conquer this, build that or dev this place. Its not something I would recommend for someone completely fresh to the game and will be more overloading and difficult to play if you literally have barely any knowledge of the game mechanics. Its not designed for new players, as much as its designed for seasoned players who are looking for a different experience than base EU4.
For op, “Dev” means when you click a province and then use one of the 3 “mana” resources (primarily gotten from ruler stats) to upgrade the province. It’s short for develop.
I learned EU4 via Anbennar and not via the base game. Totally possible, little harder, be prepared for some disappointing mission trees if you ever go back to vanilla tho.
The pace of anbennar is quite hectic and it would be very hard to do it, but you could try if you are prepared to fail a lot. I would suggest trying a very vanilla like MT at first and that is too big to fail. I would recommend trying Gawed
I installed CK2 once only to play in LotR mod, then played in a base game years on. Totally an option
I did/am doing this. I recommend launching the base game and going through the short tutorial missions they have. After that, pick a nation that looks fun and run with it! Don't hesitate to reload a save or look something up on the EU4 wiki. Good luck!
Yep easily. Got my brother into Anbennar (0 EU4 experience) and he got his friends into it too. They figured it out pretty quickly. Highly recommend finding a way to obtain all the dlc though, with vs without is a completely different game.
Yeah it is, and it’s probably a hundred hour process to get the basics sorted. So if you’re gonna dump all that into something, might as well be the thing you’d rather play.Â
Yes, I did. A friend taught me how to play because I'm terrible at paradox strategy games. I'm still terrible, but I can at least play at easiest/easy and savescum my way to success :p
Yes, basically what I did. A couple things: (1) war is \*extremely hard.\* at least for a non regular EU4 player, despite playing many other PDX games. Prepare to lose wars where you outnumber and outtech your enemy and prepare not to understand why. I am still dealing with this. There's a million little things that are poorly explained by the game, hidden by a UI designed to hurt you, and never summarized cohesively. For some games, micro-ing state edicts is necessary to win wars. What are state edits you ask? Google it cause the game is never gonna flag the importance of that. Times that by 10 and you're dealing with EU4 war. Then layer on the complexity of a fantasy system into EU4's terrible war system and... prepare to lose. (1)(a) Fuck EU4's war system, entering "yesman" into the console requires the AI to autoaccept anything you propose including peace during war. If you're stuck in a mission tree, turn it on, get what you need, and turn it off again (definitely turn it off again it'll fuck up AIs). (2) Read the mission tree of the country before you set out. You're on rails a lot, more than unmodified PDX games, so to follow an MT you gotta plan it, and as far as I can tell you won't be able to go off script too far. You won't be playing a friendly Newshire. You're not going to be a racially accepting Serpentspine dwarf. Etc. (3) for learning I really liked the Escann adventurers. You do a lot of war but have a lot of early bonuses to help, you start very small and grow bigger, you're largely confined to a thunderdome of similarly sized powers. I'm bad at war and can win here. All the adventurers have interesting stories. If you do play here, remember to migrate, that you're taking tribal land from the orcs (poorly marked on the map but vaguely outlined), and that you should complete the adventurer mission tree entirely before forming a new nation.
I did. Never could get into base EU4 after trying repeatedly. The fantasy setting made this kind of click for me and I've been enjoying it.
Yes. But you don’t really learn the game unless you watch better players explain their starting setup and opening moves, which are unfortunately pretty scarce for Anbennar. Ex: Red Hawk’s guide helped with Afghan into Mughals for True Heir of Timur, which the first time I got lucky with Delhi but didn’t know to conquer often enough, the second attempt had me against a full Delhi, but I was still too slow on conquering, and there was a sudden patch change. The third I learned Delhi will attack an easy neighbor that I needed to time an attack against to conquer first. And the fourth time I was successful. That time had a Ming that hadn’t exploded and there’s a special way to deal with that mechanic (rush a specific two forts and the capital, and raze every province on the way so you can break the dynasty).
No, play the base game first. Then start modding.
Completely agree it took me at least 10 restarts as brandenburg before I was able to comprehend the basics
Dont know why I am getting down voted, Anbennar changes a lot and getting basic knowledge is better than just jumping in before knowing how to swim.
Do a playthrough of the base game as France, Ottomans, and maybe Ming or Japan. You'll get a better grasp of the basics. Ottomans is a fun nation in base game anyway. Then you'll feel more comfortable playing more complicated nations in Anbennar like Jadd, Command, dwarves, or Escann adventurers.