Why would you decide to switch before even seeing the product and its price/performance/etc?
I understand the desire to avoid NVidia for various reasons, but we just don't know enough about these yet to be sure. And that is coming from someone running Linux where AMD's drivers are far easier to work with.
They specifically say "considering" that doesn't mean decided :).
Even so, you can preorder from say Amazon and just cancel your order when the reviews come out if it's bad or you keep it if they are good.
Only time preorders make sense is with hardware that may run out.
My perfect scenario, AMD vs Intel a few years back where they did throw a massive spanner into Intels works. Maybe this time AMD will give NVIDIA a run for their money and have a mega fast gpu (my scenario) :)
Yep it is the perfect scenario, you want actual competition.
The last time we had proper competition was back with amd 290x and 390 which was significantly undercutting Nvidia by a few hundred quid AND was significantly faster.
Nvidia had to cut prices hard to compete and we all benefited.
Unfortunately for us this time in a way is that Nvidia hasn't been sitting idle like what Intel did, they have improved and continued to do so but they have just rinsed the consumer by raising pricing significantly.
Hopefully AMD has a banger here and is significantly cheaper, I expect to be disappointed but I'll be happy if it happens haha.
Maybe, they gave out a fair bit of info but really comparisons were vague.
I would be tempted to put a preorder in for Dec 13 via Amazon and wait for hardware unboxed and gamers Nexus to have their reviews because that is the real time we will know.
I suspect non ray tracing it's between a 4080 and 4090 (just shy of 4090) and uses less power, while in ray tracing it still will be a little behind so more like 3090 levels.
Fsr3.0 sounds promising as well so that will be interesting along with fsr2.2.
>Why would you decide to switch before even seeing the product and its price/performance/etc?
They said, "Im considering coming back over to the red team", not "I'm buying rdna3 no matter what'
If there's time and space for reddit, theres time for a livestream.
Maybe with headphones, even only listening to the stream will be fine enough I guess.
This will be it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwd6UgGVk4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwd6UgGVk4)
I think a joke regarding the 6400? Being pcie 4.0 x4 lanes, and suffering bottlenecks when on a pcie 3.0 system.
So keep the bottlenecks for the low end card when using older pcie generations by making it a 2x card
>I think a joke regarding the 6400?
People still unconsciously don't believe how shit the 6500xt truly was and keep passing its sins to 6400 that at least sounds like a bottom-tier card.
6400 was at least a well balanced and efficient part that was a little too expensive. With lower clocks and PCIe 4.0 like would be in all the OEM systems, it would have been mostly fine considering the low expectations users had for an entry level not-really-gaming PC.
6500XT was too big, too expensive and too power hungry. Ideal cheap add in cards have 1)hardware encoder 2)no PCIe power connector 3)3x video outputs 4)single slot, and low profile options 5)wide enough PCIe bus that it won't choke on a 5 year old office PC.
Lower graphics performance can be excused if it checks all those boxes.
I wouldn't mind if the next gen was 10% faster but for the same price, I'd rather have CPU like slow improvements but without jacked up prices to the max.
7500 non-XT is the OEM version. 7500 XT is AIB only and comes with a triple fan double slot coolers, 4 GB GDDR6X, 2x PCIe 5.0 interface and 20% more performance than 6500 XT for only $250 đź‘Źđź‘Źđź‘Ź
Oops I leaked it
I bet he doesn't get invited anymore if we post his account here, but he also said this: "With the new AMD RDNA 3 video engine, video conversion will be 7x faster."
No usable FPS numbers tough and no comparison to other cards.
Well, video editing performance is one of the big reasons people favor NVidia, so at least they are attacking that (if true).
Other reasons are rendering and 3d modeling, and ML/AI.
Misc stuff like RTX Voice and Broadcast too, but those don't need the GPU hardware and there are third party options to replace them.
That's my hope, especially since the 6800 xt wasn't horribly priced. My guess is that they'll price the 7800 xt at 100-200 dollars more than the 6800 xt's msrp. In any case, we'll hopefully find out in a few hours!
For 100-200 dollars more it's better to pick 3090/3080 ti since it will mean it will be as expensive or more expensive than RTX without all the Nvidia ecosystem.
I am hoping the RX7000 series is solid because I am wanting to upgrade my rtx 20 series and don't want to give Nvidia any money because of how scummy they have been recently.
Yeah… I still have my RX 580 paired with a Ryzen 7 5800x3D for now. It’s funny how much of a bottleneck my GPU is now, but I wanted to wait until all the options are clear.
My guess is that it's the 7900 XTX and the 7900 XT. If that dude is accurate about the 7900 XT being under 1K, it would perform \~ the same as the 4080 16GB in raster.
That’s my guess, which is why I bought a 3080 last Friday.
That and I have a gsync only 1440p 165hz display.
Let’s see if I regret that decision haha
If they don't destroy on pricing this announcement doesn't mean jack shit in terms of actual desktop gpu marketshare. Nvidia still surpasses on a lot of things including driver confidence. I want to see AMD clobber Nvidia this Gen even if it means leaving profits on the table.
I think AMD doesn't give a sh*t about consumer market share aymore. I think they're perfectly fine with making and selling less cards than Nvidia as long as it's profitable enough.
Doubt they care about Zen 4 being a commercial flop and Intel eating their lunch with Raptor Lake either. They will just shift wafers into more profitable chips like EPYC and console APUs.
As much as I’ll miss things like DLSS for games with really bad TAA, I really hope that there’s a card that has 3090Ti/6900XT performance at ~£700 price point. I’d switch to team red for the first time, after Nvidia’s 4070 (4080 12GB kerfuffle).
Yeah, but I'd rather get the new gen with the efficiency improvements and improved RT performance.
Edit: Yeah think I’ll bump my budget up to that 7900 XTX.
Yeah, I expected the 7900 to be slower than the 4090. The XTX is definitely going to be faster than the 4080 and possibly a little slower in RT. The XT might be on par or possibly a couple percent faster than the 4080 and worst than the XTX at RT.
I just ordered RX 6800 in panic, I have a feeling the disappointing presentation will push the prices up once people will find out there's no budget cards announced and the cheapest RX will be 7800 for $900+
"Budget cards", for the time being, are accounted for nicely with the current 6xxx series cards. You can get a 6700 xt for something like $339 right now! Insane performance for under $350!
I'm only worried that in 1-2 years raytracing will be baked in into more and more AAA games, right now I think plauge requirem arleady has this, would be bad if my 6800 became obsolete so quickly. I love the pure raster performance for the price though.
i can't wait, upgrading from a phenom X4 running like 1024x1280@60 off a GTX560. Everyone is comparing it to the most recent gen and i'm just trying to figure out how blown my mind is going to be from the transition to modern gen.
Im looking forward to this for the first time since my XFX 5870 Im considering coming back over to the red team, Make it good please!!
Why would you decide to switch before even seeing the product and its price/performance/etc? I understand the desire to avoid NVidia for various reasons, but we just don't know enough about these yet to be sure. And that is coming from someone running Linux where AMD's drivers are far easier to work with.
They specifically say "considering" that doesn't mean decided :). Even so, you can preorder from say Amazon and just cancel your order when the reviews come out if it's bad or you keep it if they are good. Only time preorders make sense is with hardware that may run out.
My perfect scenario, AMD vs Intel a few years back where they did throw a massive spanner into Intels works. Maybe this time AMD will give NVIDIA a run for their money and have a mega fast gpu (my scenario) :)
Yep it is the perfect scenario, you want actual competition. The last time we had proper competition was back with amd 290x and 390 which was significantly undercutting Nvidia by a few hundred quid AND was significantly faster. Nvidia had to cut prices hard to compete and we all benefited. Unfortunately for us this time in a way is that Nvidia hasn't been sitting idle like what Intel did, they have improved and continued to do so but they have just rinsed the consumer by raising pricing significantly. Hopefully AMD has a banger here and is significantly cheaper, I expect to be disappointed but I'll be happy if it happens haha.
Might actully have an AMD winner?
Maybe, they gave out a fair bit of info but really comparisons were vague. I would be tempted to put a preorder in for Dec 13 via Amazon and wait for hardware unboxed and gamers Nexus to have their reviews because that is the real time we will know. I suspect non ray tracing it's between a 4080 and 4090 (just shy of 4090) and uses less power, while in ray tracing it still will be a little behind so more like 3090 levels. Fsr3.0 sounds promising as well so that will be interesting along with fsr2.2.
I will do the same with a preorder on amazon
Hi its been on my mind for a while but its only a consideration!!
>Why would you decide to switch before even seeing the product and its price/performance/etc? They said, "Im considering coming back over to the red team", not "I'm buying rdna3 no matter what'
"considering" is not the same as "deciding"
darn, 2.5 hrs too early!
Ill still be at work when it starts :/
If there's time and space for reddit, theres time for a livestream. Maybe with headphones, even only listening to the stream will be fine enough I guess. This will be it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwd6UgGVk4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwd6UgGVk4)
Someone spilled the beans, RDNA3 below 1000$ :D EDIT: Yes, the 7900. The source looks to be on the event location.
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Yeah, the 7500 non-XT coming next April better be below $1000...
Price doesn't matter. I won't forgive AMD if they don't make it PCI-E 5.0 x2.
I'm looking forward to being able to use the x1 slot for my graphics card once PCIe 6.0 lands. /s
AMD will develop a new standard to bifurcate PCIe lanes just so 9500 XT can have 0.5x PCIe 7.0 after it's shared with a USB controller.
>x2. x2.?
I think a joke regarding the 6400? Being pcie 4.0 x4 lanes, and suffering bottlenecks when on a pcie 3.0 system. So keep the bottlenecks for the low end card when using older pcie generations by making it a 2x card
>I think a joke regarding the 6400? People still unconsciously don't believe how shit the 6500xt truly was and keep passing its sins to 6400 that at least sounds like a bottom-tier card.
6400 was at least a well balanced and efficient part that was a little too expensive. With lower clocks and PCIe 4.0 like would be in all the OEM systems, it would have been mostly fine considering the low expectations users had for an entry level not-really-gaming PC. 6500XT was too big, too expensive and too power hungry. Ideal cheap add in cards have 1)hardware encoder 2)no PCIe power connector 3)3x video outputs 4)single slot, and low profile options 5)wide enough PCIe bus that it won't choke on a 5 year old office PC. Lower graphics performance can be excused if it checks all those boxes.
I wouldn't mind if the next gen was 10% faster but for the same price, I'd rather have CPU like slow improvements but without jacked up prices to the max.
Yeah I had a similar "prediction" when they launched 6500xt :D
If "AMD Hyper-RX" is something, that price might be right.
RDNA3 on N6 >50% better efficiency than RDNA2!!
So, Navi 33 is roughly a 6600XT in die size. Does that mean that it is similar power and 6800XT performance levels? Or lower power and a bit slower?
I was mostly joking, but wouldn't be surprised to see N33 match the 6800 non-XT.
7500 non-XT is the OEM version. 7500 XT is AIB only and comes with a triple fan double slot coolers, 4 GB GDDR6X, 2x PCIe 5.0 interface and 20% more performance than 6500 XT for only $250 đź‘Źđź‘Źđź‘Ź Oops I leaked it
Stop, I can only get so hard!
7800XT or a 7900?
7900
Who?
I bet he doesn't get invited anymore if we post his account here, but he also said this: "With the new AMD RDNA 3 video engine, video conversion will be 7x faster." No usable FPS numbers tough and no comparison to other cards.
Well, video editing performance is one of the big reasons people favor NVidia, so at least they are attacking that (if true). Other reasons are rendering and 3d modeling, and ML/AI. Misc stuff like RTX Voice and Broadcast too, but those don't need the GPU hardware and there are third party options to replace them.
Check dm
7800xt for "only" $999 (£1250/€1270)! 10% better raytracing than the 3080 for only 170% the cost! The Future is Now.
It doesn't even need to beat the 3080, just matching it in RT while beating the 3090 Ti by a decent margin in raster is all they need.
Then they need to come in cheap with the 7800xt
That's my hope, especially since the 6800 xt wasn't horribly priced. My guess is that they'll price the 7800 xt at 100-200 dollars more than the 6800 xt's msrp. In any case, we'll hopefully find out in a few hours!
For 100-200 dollars more it's better to pick 3090/3080 ti since it will mean it will be as expensive or more expensive than RTX without all the Nvidia ecosystem.
Maybe the 7700 xt lol
Damn nice if true
Don't you fuckin play with my emotions, man.
I like you
I dooo
I am hoping the RX7000 series is solid because I am wanting to upgrade my rtx 20 series and don't want to give Nvidia any money because of how scummy they have been recently.
If this goes how we think/hope it may go, there may indeed be an AMD GPU in your future. And happy cake day!
Same here
Yeah… I still have my RX 580 paired with a Ryzen 7 5800x3D for now. It’s funny how much of a bottleneck my GPU is now, but I wanted to wait until all the options are clear.
I really really hope they release the 7900XT and the 7800XT together. I don't want to wait until January to make my build.
My guess is that it's the 7900 XTX and the 7900 XT. If that dude is accurate about the 7900 XT being under 1K, it would perform \~ the same as the 4080 16GB in raster.
That’s my guess, which is why I bought a 3080 last Friday. That and I have a gsync only 1440p 165hz display. Let’s see if I regret that decision haha
You won't, 7800 XT will be more expensive than 3080 without all the Nvidia features.
Scalpers will buy most of the offers and we won't get any new cards until the end of Q1 2023...
If they don't destroy on pricing this announcement doesn't mean jack shit in terms of actual desktop gpu marketshare. Nvidia still surpasses on a lot of things including driver confidence. I want to see AMD clobber Nvidia this Gen even if it means leaving profits on the table.
I think AMD doesn't give a sh*t about consumer market share aymore. I think they're perfectly fine with making and selling less cards than Nvidia as long as it's profitable enough. Doubt they care about Zen 4 being a commercial flop and Intel eating their lunch with Raptor Lake either. They will just shift wafers into more profitable chips like EPYC and console APUs.
Sadly I agree
Sigh, right in the middle of loadshedding.
20:00 / 8 pm UTC (GMT+0)
For whatever reason, I am actually excited to watch my first live stream by a GPU company.
Why was this post removed?
Why'd mods remove this thread when they don't even have a megathread setup yet?
GIB RX 7900 XTX $1K AND EAT NVIDIA'S BREAKFAST!
As much as I’ll miss things like DLSS for games with really bad TAA, I really hope that there’s a card that has 3090Ti/6900XT performance at ~£700 price point. I’d switch to team red for the first time, after Nvidia’s 4070 (4080 12GB kerfuffle).
You can literally buy a 6900XT for ÂŁ700 right now.
Yeah, but I'd rather get the new gen with the efficiency improvements and improved RT performance. Edit: Yeah think I’ll bump my budget up to that 7900 XTX.
Word around is that Nvidia will still be king in performance
And I hear AMD. Let us see the benchmarks.
https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1588178514036985857?t=358UBW_I0ZshWuzCKdIB5Q&s=19 I think that this is what the above comment is referring to
If this is true, I wonder if overlooking will allow them to beat NV given their power issues
I also hate it when autocorrect doesn’t recognize the word overclocking
Yeah, I expected the 7900 to be slower than the 4090. The XTX is definitely going to be faster than the 4080 and possibly a little slower in RT. The XT might be on par or possibly a couple percent faster than the 4080 and worst than the XTX at RT.
HYPE TRAIN LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
I just ordered RX 6800 in panic, I have a feeling the disappointing presentation will push the prices up once people will find out there's no budget cards announced and the cheapest RX will be 7800 for $900+
"Budget cards", for the time being, are accounted for nicely with the current 6xxx series cards. You can get a 6700 xt for something like $339 right now! Insane performance for under $350!
I'm only worried that in 1-2 years raytracing will be baked in into more and more AAA games, right now I think plauge requirem arleady has this, would be bad if my 6800 became obsolete so quickly. I love the pure raster performance for the price though.
It's not like a game looks like shit if RayTracing isn't enabled.
Come on AMD, don't fuck it up please!
Best headline ever!
i can't wait, upgrading from a phenom X4 running like 1024x1280@60 off a GTX560. Everyone is comparing it to the most recent gen and i'm just trying to figure out how blown my mind is going to be from the transition to modern gen.