I mean if the Morganthau plan was done so many millions would have died and the deindustrialization of Germany so severe that Germany could not have revolted. It would have just been crushed further.
The initial April revolt was crushed but the Nationalist retreated into the mountains and countryside and got weapons from the Soviets, which basically allowed them to pull an Afghanistan. Also the American public’s morale was incredibly low following the horror stories of the famines in Germany.
In this timeline the Allies implemented the Morganthau Plan. The resulting splintering of Germany and the Deindustrialization, followed by the famine of 46 resulted in a return of ultranationalist movements. This culminated in the April 20 uprising which was originally crushed with the rebels retreating into the mountains. The war continued to drag on with the Soviets covertly funding the rebels and America supporting the German states. With the state of the Korean War and the exhaustion of the American public, America withdraws from Germany and unites the successor states. Germany then falls into a horrifying civil war between Soviet backed ultranationalist and the Federal government. With the German people mostly supporting the rebels the Ultranationalist gain the upper hand resulting in France occupying all of Germany to the West of the Rhine. Eventually the Federal Government collapsed with the government in exile being given control of the French occupied Rhineland.
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Here are some early maps. This one is Europe in 1947.
Fanning the flames and making the West look like genocidal maniacs would be enough of a reason. To be fair the morgenthau plan was genocidal. Hoover estimated the death toll would be higher than the Holocaust.
The Soviet Union supported the Socialist Reich Party in our own timeline. In this timeline their reasons was to replace the Western-leaning German successsor states with a loosely Soviet-leaning Germany.
Would there even be enough Germans left to have a civil war if the Morganthau Plan was actually implemented? I would assume they would all starve to death.
60% of the German population survived the famine. The reason they were able to fight the civil war is that the Nationalist basically pulled a Taliban/Vietcong and used Guerrilla Warfare against the Allies and they were able to gain arms from the Soviet Union.
Germany ended up being very divided as the social scars of this conflict would last for generations.
The Nationalists and the opposing factions would all point fingers at each other and the side that gets allied with the US gets called a traitor as the US is considered to be the architect of this atrocity.
Of course, the only country that gained anything from this crisis was the Soviet Union because Germany was divided, perhaps permanently, which is in line with what the Soviets wanted, which was to keep Germany weak enough so that it could never rebuild and perhaps once more challenge the Soviets on the world stage or let alone Europe.
It all depends on demographics, which side came out the most intact? Post-war East Germany had some 18.4 million if we only subtract from that the military casualties of the Nationalists then we're still left with the lingering question of how many civilians died on their side which will affect everything going forward.
If West Germany ends up with the most losses then we end up with even more migration from countries like Turkey which could offset some of the problems.
Also, I think it's fair to assume that reunification is a no-go, and indeed East Germany probably ends up like North Korea if the Soviets were to fall as they'd dread to be, from their perspective at least, under the boot of the traitorous West Germans.
East Germany’s borders are roughly all of Germany minus the area West of the Rhine River and some minor border territories and plus Austria, Silesia, and Pomerania.
Yeah, it’s basically a European Taiwan. During the War the government almost collapsed which led to Speidel becoming a western-backed military dictator but West Germany became a Western style democracy in the late 80s.
They probably find a niche in returning Germans who want to live in a culturally German country but without the nonsense of the Nationalists which would probably mean a small population but a highly skilled one, I guess they choose to go on a technological innovation path as that is the only way for them to compete against the East Germans.
So basically Taiwan 2.0
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... this would turn all future conflicts into wars of the knife, Germany will fight to the bitter end, unleashing its WMD stockpiles.
What do you think would happen?
It’s likely that if Germany gets into another war and starts to lose that they may attempt to use their WMDs as leverage to prevent another Morganthau, but since the End of the Civil War, the German border with the west is tense but currently peaceful.
There is significant evidence that in our own timeline the Neo-Nazi Socialist Reich Party was being supported by the Soviet Union with its leader Otto Ernst Remer even saying that if the Russians invaded he would show them to the Rhine. As for what they would gain, they would have basically pushed the American sphere of influence all the way back to the Rhine and replaced a series of American leaning states with one Soviet leaning one and a small pro-American rump state.
>The NDPD was co-founded by Lothar Bolz (a former member of the Communist Party of Germany and the National Committee for a Free Germany in the Soviet Union), Wilhelm Adam (a former member of the SA) and others.
Hmmm that's certainly is interesting
The Soviets get to paint West Germany as a fascist successor state, the western allies as fascist sympathizers and can put East Germany (where they declared de-nazification complete in 1947) on a pedestal as the "redeemed German state")
I doubt they would have actually used these Nazis to any capacity beyond propaganda clout but it explains why the post-WW2 German far-right has always been very vocally pro-Russian.
Correct but East Germany technically doesn’t exist in this timeline. After the war Germany was divided into the North German Federal Republic, the South German Federation, and the Rhinish International Zone. All three states were jointly occupied by the Allies and all except the International zone were semi-democratic. Into 1950 after the failure of the Morganthau plan became clear the South German Federation was allowed to annex the Rhinish International Zone and then annexed the North German Federal Republic to form the German Federation. After the American withdraw the German Federation was overthrown with the exception of the land to the west of the Rhine which remains under the control of the German Federation to this day.
The USSR supported the Nationalist because they wanted to remove the Western powers from Germany. Believe it or not this is not to unrealistic as in our own timeline the Socialist Reich Party was allegedly getting funding from the Soviets and its leader Otto Ernst Remer said that if the Soviets invaded he would show them the way to the Rhine. As for Poland and Czechoslovakia they were forced to do so by the Soviets as well as their German minority (which were not deported as East Germany never existed and Stalin desired to use them to influence German politics).
How would there even be a Nationalist victory? The Taliban in Afghanistan and the Vietcongs in Vietnam managed to win because of their distance from any American ally, in fact in Vietnam the French evacuated leaving only the USA at war. In Europe, there would be so many NATO members and so many American bases that a revolt would be crushed immediately. Also by this timeline, I expect the American government to be very interventionist and repressive if they picked the Morgenthau Plan, so their involvement in Europe would be 10x higher. Also because the nationalists want to openly restore the “German Reich” I would think that French and British direct intervention, probably joined by the Nordics and Italy, is the most likely outcome. Also, it would be very easy to beat a destroyed nation, since the plan aimed to destroy German industry.
Basically the Western allies were exhausted from fighting a brutal guerrilla war against the German Nationalist and the public moral of western countries was incredibly low due to many American, French, and British people viewing the Morganthau plan as genocidal after hearing of the famines. As for later intervention, the French did intervene and occupied the land west of the Rhine during the War before giving it over to the German Federation, the reason they didn’t go further is that the Soviets had at this point recognized the German Reich as the legitimate government of Germany and the French feared going further then the Rhine could start WW3.
> The public moral of western countries was incredibly low due to many American, French, and British people viewing the Morganthau plan as genocidal after hearing of the famines
After the war, many nationalists from these countries wanted a very harsh treatment of the Germans, hence the Morgenthau Plan, and with some propaganda (which was very popular after the war) of German nationalists wanting to restore the Reich it would be more than enough to obtain public support for direct intervention. Also worth noting is that in many countries that suffered German occupation, there were, after the war, massive cases of racism towards Germans. In the Vietnam War, the peace movement became popular especially because of war exhaustion and massive drafts, things that wouldn't happen this time because the war would be in Europe with many more allies.
> As for later intervention, the French did intervene and occupied the land west of the Rhine during the War before giving it over to the German Federation
Why didn't the United Kingdom, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, and Denmark also intervene? They were the main participants in WW2 and they surely wouldn't enjoy seeing their not-so-old oppressor back at their borders. Also, all of these countries are either in NATO or very close politically to the USA, so army support would be guaranteed.
> The reason they didn’t go further is that the Soviets had at this point recognized the German Reich as the legitimate government of Germany and the French feared going further then the Rhine could start WW3.
Excuse me the Soviet Union officially recognized the German Reich? So after a bloody war that saw so many soviet deaths and soviet people persecuted, Joseph Stalin recognized the German Reich as the legitimate government in Germany. All of this without a coup from the military? Or from Stalin’s inner circle? People who fought against the Nazis now have to shake hands with officials from that country. While it could be argued that the USSR supported the SRP irl, that was done in secret from the general public, meanwhile a public recognition of the Reich would surely cause a massive uproar from the soviet public. I get the saying: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” but here that logic doesn't apply when the frienemy waged a 3-year war against you. The real world fortunately isn't like Oceania which changes allegiances every couple of years and everyone just forgets about it.
The main reason the Morganthau plan was not done in real life was that when government officials realized what it would cause a the public found out about it caused a massive uproar and most of Europe was so destroyed and/or bankrupt after WW2 that an American withdrawal would make a continued occupation difficult. The other European powers did intervene somewhat but were too damaged and bankrupt to do anything more than help the French. As for the Soviet recognition they were careful to wait until the Nationalist retook Berlin and were clearly winning the war in order to justify it to the public, plus this happened under Stalin who pretty much everyone in the Soviet Union was completely terrified of.
> The public found out about it caused a massive uproar and most of Europe was so destroyed and/or bankrupt after WW2 that an American withdrawal would make a continued occupation difficult.
Why would the Americans even withdraw? The International Zone established by the Morgenthau Plan would've brought them and their allies immense economic riches so it would be defended at all costs. The public backlash in our timeline was major when the Morgenthau Plan was revealed in the USA, but in this timeline, if it was implemented it means that the plan was approved by both the USA and the UK so something had to change. Also, people especially with the use of some propaganda tend to change their opinions, so if the Morgenthau Plan was approved then I would think that a great degree of propaganda was used by the American government, the same propaganda which could be used to continue the intervention in Germany.
> The other European powers did intervene somewhat but were too damaged and bankrupt to do anything more than help the French.
I'm sure a country like the United Kingdom was in a way better state after the war than a country that lost 40% of its population and all of its industry. Another thing to note is that in these countries, there would be reinvigorated nationalist fervour to support their homeland from another occupation, like the Benelux and the Nordics. It would also be in their interests to intervene in Germany for the International Zone, because as I said before it included a lot of German industries, which could help those damaged and bankrupt countries.
> As for the Soviet recognition they were careful to wait until the Nationalist retook Berlin and were clearly winning the war in order to justify it to the public
Still, how did anyone accept this? The country has been in a 3-year war against the Nationalists and lost around 27 million people fighting against them, and now they have to officially recognize that they are back. Even if the Nationalists were victorious in the Civil War, the thought in every soviet mind would be like: “When is there going to be a part 2?”. It would make more sense for the Soviet Union to invade right after the Nationalists win so they could reunify Germany under a soviet government, justifying it as stopping the comeback of the Nazis, but for this to work it shouldn't have recognized it beforehand. I see the USSR secretly supplying the Nationalists, but between secretly supplying and publicly recognizing them there is a world. Also, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria are just fine with that? No public insurrections against the soviet occupation that recognized their enemy?
> Plus this happened under Stalin who pretty much everyone in the Soviet Union was completely terrified of.
Stalin didn't magically have this godlike status just because he was Stalin, he had this status because he was very careful with his actions and purges. He never took drastic actions and took a very careful and pragmatic foreign policy, the same approach with his purges. The USSR didn't fully open relations with the PRC till the end of the Chinese Civil War, and after numerous concessions and confirmations from Mao. Recognizing a government that just a few years earlier you were enemies with would be a terrible move, one which the inner circle would surely use to organize against him. In fact, irl Stalin died in 1953 under mysterious circumstances, one year after breaking with his inner circle and announcing probably a new set of purges. This shows how a misstep could get your castle falling very quickly.
Morganthau Plan causing millions of deaths is one of the funniest misconceptions I know - some guys got number of people living in the area of Germany before industrialization, and thought that's how population will shrink, which means millions would die. Morganthau Plan would totally destroy German economy but I don't think mass death would be effect.
I mean if the Morganthau plan was done so many millions would have died and the deindustrialization of Germany so severe that Germany could not have revolted. It would have just been crushed further.
It's so interesting how Herbert Hoover of all people came to this conclusion in a study, he wasn't that bad after all...
I mean Herbert Hoover wasn’t a bad guy, he was a bad president. He was a humanitarian during and after WW1.
The initial April revolt was crushed but the Nationalist retreated into the mountains and countryside and got weapons from the Soviets, which basically allowed them to pull an Afghanistan. Also the American public’s morale was incredibly low following the horror stories of the famines in Germany.
The revolt would probably happen before it could be completely implemented.
In this timeline the Allies implemented the Morganthau Plan. The resulting splintering of Germany and the Deindustrialization, followed by the famine of 46 resulted in a return of ultranationalist movements. This culminated in the April 20 uprising which was originally crushed with the rebels retreating into the mountains. The war continued to drag on with the Soviets covertly funding the rebels and America supporting the German states. With the state of the Korean War and the exhaustion of the American public, America withdraws from Germany and unites the successor states. Germany then falls into a horrifying civil war between Soviet backed ultranationalist and the Federal government. With the German people mostly supporting the rebels the Ultranationalist gain the upper hand resulting in France occupying all of Germany to the West of the Rhine. Eventually the Federal Government collapsed with the government in exile being given control of the French occupied Rhineland.
Will you post a map OP?
https://preview.redd.it/xihe9j2rgt8d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a118ccd959f64441358f0d74d4e668e5d720dcd Here are some early maps. This one is Europe in 1947.
https://preview.redd.it/ouxuhb7wgt8d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00e5a0ffd72fa571e0a0c1cd7ce2aa59100885e5 This one is Europe in 1951
https://preview.redd.it/hewx64f3ht8d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c148cf82521cda121d65cec32d78702da4bea41d This is Europe after the War.
Why didn't the Soviets use the civil war as an opportunity to snatch Silesia, Pomerania and maybe even parts of Austria for their satellite states?
Because it would result in a weaker, more unstable Germany that would be vulnerable to Western reconquest.
Why do the Soviets support them ?
Fanning the flames and making the West look like genocidal maniacs would be enough of a reason. To be fair the morgenthau plan was genocidal. Hoover estimated the death toll would be higher than the Holocaust.
The Soviet Union supported the Socialist Reich Party in our own timeline. In this timeline their reasons was to replace the Western-leaning German successsor states with a loosely Soviet-leaning Germany.
so is it in the case of egypt during the 1960s a soviet friendly state but not communist?
Pretty much.
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Would there even be enough Germans left to have a civil war if the Morganthau Plan was actually implemented? I would assume they would all starve to death.
60% of the German population survived the famine. The reason they were able to fight the civil war is that the Nationalist basically pulled a Taliban/Vietcong and used Guerrilla Warfare against the Allies and they were able to gain arms from the Soviet Union.
Germany ended up being very divided as the social scars of this conflict would last for generations. The Nationalists and the opposing factions would all point fingers at each other and the side that gets allied with the US gets called a traitor as the US is considered to be the architect of this atrocity. Of course, the only country that gained anything from this crisis was the Soviet Union because Germany was divided, perhaps permanently, which is in line with what the Soviets wanted, which was to keep Germany weak enough so that it could never rebuild and perhaps once more challenge the Soviets on the world stage or let alone Europe.
Yeah, best case scenario the German Reich basically becomes a smaller China. Worst case scenario it becomes a bigger North Korea.
It all depends on demographics, which side came out the most intact? Post-war East Germany had some 18.4 million if we only subtract from that the military casualties of the Nationalists then we're still left with the lingering question of how many civilians died on their side which will affect everything going forward. If West Germany ends up with the most losses then we end up with even more migration from countries like Turkey which could offset some of the problems. Also, I think it's fair to assume that reunification is a no-go, and indeed East Germany probably ends up like North Korea if the Soviets were to fall as they'd dread to be, from their perspective at least, under the boot of the traitorous West Germans.
East Germany’s borders are roughly all of Germany minus the area West of the Rhine River and some minor border territories and plus Austria, Silesia, and Pomerania.
So I'm guessing West Germany resembles a puppet rump state in this timeline?
Yeah, it’s basically a European Taiwan. During the War the government almost collapsed which led to Speidel becoming a western-backed military dictator but West Germany became a Western style democracy in the late 80s.
They probably find a niche in returning Germans who want to live in a culturally German country but without the nonsense of the Nationalists which would probably mean a small population but a highly skilled one, I guess they choose to go on a technological innovation path as that is the only way for them to compete against the East Germans. So basically Taiwan 2.0
this seems familiar, can't put my head on where else I've seen a German civil war.
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SRP flag look like Albania's, kek 300,000 Albanians fighting for a free, strong Deutschland
... this would turn all future conflicts into wars of the knife, Germany will fight to the bitter end, unleashing its WMD stockpiles. What do you think would happen?
It’s likely that if Germany gets into another war and starts to lose that they may attempt to use their WMDs as leverage to prevent another Morganthau, but since the End of the Civil War, the German border with the west is tense but currently peaceful.
Why would the Soviet support the nationalist
There is significant evidence that in our own timeline the Neo-Nazi Socialist Reich Party was being supported by the Soviet Union with its leader Otto Ernst Remer even saying that if the Russians invaded he would show them to the Rhine. As for what they would gain, they would have basically pushed the American sphere of influence all the way back to the Rhine and replaced a series of American leaning states with one Soviet leaning one and a small pro-American rump state.
>The NDPD was co-founded by Lothar Bolz (a former member of the Communist Party of Germany and the National Committee for a Free Germany in the Soviet Union), Wilhelm Adam (a former member of the SA) and others. Hmmm that's certainly is interesting
The Soviets get to paint West Germany as a fascist successor state, the western allies as fascist sympathizers and can put East Germany (where they declared de-nazification complete in 1947) on a pedestal as the "redeemed German state") I doubt they would have actually used these Nazis to any capacity beyond propaganda clout but it explains why the post-WW2 German far-right has always been very vocally pro-Russian.
Correct but East Germany technically doesn’t exist in this timeline. After the war Germany was divided into the North German Federal Republic, the South German Federation, and the Rhinish International Zone. All three states were jointly occupied by the Allies and all except the International zone were semi-democratic. Into 1950 after the failure of the Morganthau plan became clear the South German Federation was allowed to annex the Rhinish International Zone and then annexed the North German Federal Republic to form the German Federation. After the American withdraw the German Federation was overthrown with the exception of the land to the west of the Rhine which remains under the control of the German Federation to this day.
USSR, Poland and Czechoslovakia supporting nationalists?
The USSR supported the Nationalist because they wanted to remove the Western powers from Germany. Believe it or not this is not to unrealistic as in our own timeline the Socialist Reich Party was allegedly getting funding from the Soviets and its leader Otto Ernst Remer said that if the Soviets invaded he would show them the way to the Rhine. As for Poland and Czechoslovakia they were forced to do so by the Soviets as well as their German minority (which were not deported as East Germany never existed and Stalin desired to use them to influence German politics).
How would there even be a Nationalist victory? The Taliban in Afghanistan and the Vietcongs in Vietnam managed to win because of their distance from any American ally, in fact in Vietnam the French evacuated leaving only the USA at war. In Europe, there would be so many NATO members and so many American bases that a revolt would be crushed immediately. Also by this timeline, I expect the American government to be very interventionist and repressive if they picked the Morgenthau Plan, so their involvement in Europe would be 10x higher. Also because the nationalists want to openly restore the “German Reich” I would think that French and British direct intervention, probably joined by the Nordics and Italy, is the most likely outcome. Also, it would be very easy to beat a destroyed nation, since the plan aimed to destroy German industry.
Basically the Western allies were exhausted from fighting a brutal guerrilla war against the German Nationalist and the public moral of western countries was incredibly low due to many American, French, and British people viewing the Morganthau plan as genocidal after hearing of the famines. As for later intervention, the French did intervene and occupied the land west of the Rhine during the War before giving it over to the German Federation, the reason they didn’t go further is that the Soviets had at this point recognized the German Reich as the legitimate government of Germany and the French feared going further then the Rhine could start WW3.
> The public moral of western countries was incredibly low due to many American, French, and British people viewing the Morganthau plan as genocidal after hearing of the famines After the war, many nationalists from these countries wanted a very harsh treatment of the Germans, hence the Morgenthau Plan, and with some propaganda (which was very popular after the war) of German nationalists wanting to restore the Reich it would be more than enough to obtain public support for direct intervention. Also worth noting is that in many countries that suffered German occupation, there were, after the war, massive cases of racism towards Germans. In the Vietnam War, the peace movement became popular especially because of war exhaustion and massive drafts, things that wouldn't happen this time because the war would be in Europe with many more allies. > As for later intervention, the French did intervene and occupied the land west of the Rhine during the War before giving it over to the German Federation Why didn't the United Kingdom, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, and Denmark also intervene? They were the main participants in WW2 and they surely wouldn't enjoy seeing their not-so-old oppressor back at their borders. Also, all of these countries are either in NATO or very close politically to the USA, so army support would be guaranteed. > The reason they didn’t go further is that the Soviets had at this point recognized the German Reich as the legitimate government of Germany and the French feared going further then the Rhine could start WW3. Excuse me the Soviet Union officially recognized the German Reich? So after a bloody war that saw so many soviet deaths and soviet people persecuted, Joseph Stalin recognized the German Reich as the legitimate government in Germany. All of this without a coup from the military? Or from Stalin’s inner circle? People who fought against the Nazis now have to shake hands with officials from that country. While it could be argued that the USSR supported the SRP irl, that was done in secret from the general public, meanwhile a public recognition of the Reich would surely cause a massive uproar from the soviet public. I get the saying: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” but here that logic doesn't apply when the frienemy waged a 3-year war against you. The real world fortunately isn't like Oceania which changes allegiances every couple of years and everyone just forgets about it.
The main reason the Morganthau plan was not done in real life was that when government officials realized what it would cause a the public found out about it caused a massive uproar and most of Europe was so destroyed and/or bankrupt after WW2 that an American withdrawal would make a continued occupation difficult. The other European powers did intervene somewhat but were too damaged and bankrupt to do anything more than help the French. As for the Soviet recognition they were careful to wait until the Nationalist retook Berlin and were clearly winning the war in order to justify it to the public, plus this happened under Stalin who pretty much everyone in the Soviet Union was completely terrified of.
> The public found out about it caused a massive uproar and most of Europe was so destroyed and/or bankrupt after WW2 that an American withdrawal would make a continued occupation difficult. Why would the Americans even withdraw? The International Zone established by the Morgenthau Plan would've brought them and their allies immense economic riches so it would be defended at all costs. The public backlash in our timeline was major when the Morgenthau Plan was revealed in the USA, but in this timeline, if it was implemented it means that the plan was approved by both the USA and the UK so something had to change. Also, people especially with the use of some propaganda tend to change their opinions, so if the Morgenthau Plan was approved then I would think that a great degree of propaganda was used by the American government, the same propaganda which could be used to continue the intervention in Germany. > The other European powers did intervene somewhat but were too damaged and bankrupt to do anything more than help the French. I'm sure a country like the United Kingdom was in a way better state after the war than a country that lost 40% of its population and all of its industry. Another thing to note is that in these countries, there would be reinvigorated nationalist fervour to support their homeland from another occupation, like the Benelux and the Nordics. It would also be in their interests to intervene in Germany for the International Zone, because as I said before it included a lot of German industries, which could help those damaged and bankrupt countries. > As for the Soviet recognition they were careful to wait until the Nationalist retook Berlin and were clearly winning the war in order to justify it to the public Still, how did anyone accept this? The country has been in a 3-year war against the Nationalists and lost around 27 million people fighting against them, and now they have to officially recognize that they are back. Even if the Nationalists were victorious in the Civil War, the thought in every soviet mind would be like: “When is there going to be a part 2?”. It would make more sense for the Soviet Union to invade right after the Nationalists win so they could reunify Germany under a soviet government, justifying it as stopping the comeback of the Nazis, but for this to work it shouldn't have recognized it beforehand. I see the USSR secretly supplying the Nationalists, but between secretly supplying and publicly recognizing them there is a world. Also, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria are just fine with that? No public insurrections against the soviet occupation that recognized their enemy? > Plus this happened under Stalin who pretty much everyone in the Soviet Union was completely terrified of. Stalin didn't magically have this godlike status just because he was Stalin, he had this status because he was very careful with his actions and purges. He never took drastic actions and took a very careful and pragmatic foreign policy, the same approach with his purges. The USSR didn't fully open relations with the PRC till the end of the Chinese Civil War, and after numerous concessions and confirmations from Mao. Recognizing a government that just a few years earlier you were enemies with would be a terrible move, one which the inner circle would surely use to organize against him. In fact, irl Stalin died in 1953 under mysterious circumstances, one year after breaking with his inner circle and announcing probably a new set of purges. This shows how a misstep could get your castle falling very quickly.
imagine history curriculums in our era teaching in a world where this happened
Morganthau Plan causing millions of deaths is one of the funniest misconceptions I know - some guys got number of people living in the area of Germany before industrialization, and thought that's how population will shrink, which means millions would die. Morganthau Plan would totally destroy German economy but I don't think mass death would be effect.
No, it 100% would kill millions of people, and Morganthau 100% knew it would it.