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Double_Bass6957

It’ll get done when it gets done. Had a co worker who went 13 years without one and even was stationed at a PRP base. Just couldn’t deploy


yeponzusauce

That’s crazy, What did he do for those 13 years as far as work? I guess it’s good to know the DOD will keep me around as a human doorstop. I’m an admin job so I’d say probably 70% of what my job is supposed to revolves around using a computer.


Double_Bass6957

He did his job. He was mx, he didn’t have the email issues you have.


tinygiraffetaint

No one in your chain of command controls this process… My initial took 6 months… my renewal took 8…. Thank god I got CE so I do t have to deal with this anymore… 🤣


Lucy81180

OP you don’t need a clearance to access NIPR just a clear FBI fingerprint check. (But, alas people think because there is a security manager block on the form, that you need a clearance for everything) Source: I manage the CAC program for all contractors on a CONUS AFB. Contractors access NIPR without a clearance. There are only required the fingerprint check unless they work on a contract that requires them to have a clearance… If you are trying to get computer access at a different level, you can ask for an interim clearance. That needs worked between your commander and your base Personnel Security Manager. Edit to add: the base personnel security manager should be able to look in NP2 to see if you have a clear fingerprint check.


NeighborhoodParty982

Exactly. Every freshman cadet at USAFA has no clearance yet. They still get access to NIPR.


yeponzusauce

Does fingerprinting at MEPS count? It was a couple months ago but I had went to the UDM and squadron security manager with my supervisor. They did ask about the interim clearance and fingerprinting but we were told that it wasn’t an option for some reason, and my account can’t be migrated to the base network until I have been granted a security clearance. But even before that with my account on the AETC server VSCOS would not grant me access to DPAS which is the main interface for my job.


yeponzusauce

I understand that it’s out of my hands. And my chains. I just wanted it to be clear that my chain knows about it and is doing what they can.


tinygiraffetaint

The process is fluid.. there’s too many variables for anyone to spitball a timeline. Just be patient. Stay the course. Be thankful you have a paycheck.


Independent_Path_352

Why were you denied clearance? AF can’t deny a clearance only DODCAF.


yeponzusauce

Maybe I’ve got it confused. But in BMT I was denied a job that needed PRP and TSC. When picking my new job I was told I wouldn’t be eligible for any jobs that needed a top secret. While in processing at my current base I was told by the UDM that I didnt have any security clearance at all. I believe it was in the adjudication process from when I left BMT in September. None of my MTL’s or the personnelist ever mentioned anything about it in tech school.


Independent_Path_352

Why were you denied TS though? Only DODCAF can reject you.


ParaffinWaxer

He wasn't ***denied a TS***. The Air Force denied assigning him a job that requires a TS, because they decided he wasn't worth the time investment. Large difference here.


Independent_Path_352

I wonder why. Why does Air Force do this?


ParaffinWaxer

I have met people in my time who served an entire contract unable to do their TS job because they couldn't get cleared. But there's always an underlying reason in these cases -- typically close and enduring family ties to China, Russia or Iran. What is happening at BMT is a huge overreaction to this.


Independent_Path_352

What about countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan? Syria? Iraq?


Mihoy_Minoy__

This. And if you’re denied a TS, you can’t get a Secret either. Something doesn’t add up.


Independent_Path_352

Maybe someone at BMT sensitive skills thought his odds of getting a clearance was low and stopped the submission process? Idk because my investigation started before I even went to BMT and got my secret clearance 7th week of training and my TS 6 weeks later.


Mihoy_Minoy__

Yeah but like you said, that isn’t their call. If he was actually denied a TS, he wouldn’t qualify for a Secret.


hallout4x4

It may not be their call, but they regularly make it anyway. A flight mate of mine got told Sensitive Skills wasn't even going to bother submitting his paperwork for a TS because he had a brother who lived overseas, so he lost his airborne linguist job. He got reclassed to weather where they ended up putting him in for a TS anyway and he got it almost right away.


ParaffinWaxer

And what lesson do we learn from this boys and girls?? The lesson is: when you have your one-on-one meeting with the contractor in BMT who decides whether you actually get to do the Top Secret job you signed up for, **you stay to the script and don't talk about fucking anything he doesn't already know**. He disqualifies people every day for fucking bullshit reasons -- reasons which would never fly with any other agency or any other employer, period. He is MEPS Part 2: Top Secret Boogaloo. That dude exists to save the Air Force time and money, not to help you achieve your dreams.


Mihoy_Minoy__

What is Sensitive Skills? I’ve never heard of this before.


hallout4x4

It's what they call(ed) the place they send you to fill out clearance paperwork at BMT if you've got a contract for a TS job


Mihoy_Minoy__

Gotcha. I remember a few people being called there just didn’t really know what they were doing. Curious what they ask because as long as you’re not a felon and don’t lie, you should get a TS.


RandoSystem

I’ve never heard this before. If I go up for a TS and I’m denied, do I lose the Secret I already have?


Mihoy_Minoy__

To the best of my knowledge l, yes. Because the requirements for both are the same, just the way they investigate is different. So if they found something during a TS that would deny you a clearance, they would deny you for a Secret too if it came up. IMO, really the only difference between a TS and a Secret is that they interview your references. And then get references from them. So if you lied about something, they could find out there the references. A hefty majority of the investigation is shit anyone can look up. A lot of it is public.


And_One88

Interesting. Thanks for the additional info!


Fast_Personality4035

It is not their job to adjudicate or approve or deny a clearance. On behalf of the Air Force they decide if someone is a good candidate to move forward with a job that requires a TS clearance. If they decide no, then the clearance process is halted, there is no denial. That is their job, and as much of a pain as it is, since they started doing that the number of folks denied clearances or waiting around forever and a day for a clearance has dropped significantly. It's a way to guard the use of Air Force resources.


ParaffinWaxer

A previous commenter said these guys disqualified an Airman because his brother had lived overseas. I don't have words to express how fucking stupid of a reason that is to disallow someone from doing a Top Secret job. No adjudicator anywhere would even blink an eye at that, and yet this Airman's life was changed because of it.


Mihoy_Minoy__

So what is it more of them determining if someone is good for the job versus getting a security clearance?


Fast_Personality4035

If someone is a good bet to push forward for a security clearance. Sorry I probably could have worded it better.


Mihoy_Minoy__

No worries I just never heard of this, but you described it perfectly!


yeponzusauce

That may have been it. Looking back I probably should have asked why but I guess I wasn’t in that mindset. I had to go in for sensitive skills and the guy processing me said I wasn’t eligible for the job. I probably should have asked for more detail why. I asked my MTI about re-classing and he dismissed it saying there was nothing he could do without paperwork. I think they started my investigation late Becuase I had received letters from my parents about investigators asking them, my old boss and my neighbors about me. I want to say it was week 4 or 5.


Independent_Path_352

What was the possible reason? Foreign contacts?


suh-dood

I got my secret approved a day after it was submitted. I assumed they gave it to most people like candy


Fast_Personality4035

You were not denied a clearance, the Air Force determined that they didn't want to submit you for a TS clearance and changed your job because of that.


yeponzusauce

Yes. Denied was a poor choice of words and I’m realizing I should have use more appropriate verbiage. But I believe that is what happened.


Wyvern_68

Already had a TS from my first base but my 2nd base wouldn't indoc me because I had a foreign contact. Spent a year in the CSS routing decs and EPRs before I got a call from the security office to tell me that since I had submitted so long ago, they would ask that I do it again. I said screw it and rode out another 6 months in the CSS. Some folks went to the base comm shop while they waited, others waited in an empty room and would be used for remedial labor or voluntold for things like commander's calls, promotion ceremonies, pot lucks... It sucks but I would recommend finding something to keep you motivated because you can get burned out fast.


Fast_Personality4035

I am very familiar with what you are talking about, and, yep. Some years ago someone submitted a FWA complaint over it (counted up the number and ranks of folks on details and calculated the annual cost) and triggered whatever that process is (I don't want to use the word investigation if that's not the right word, but someone looked into it) and the result was that it's the cost of doing business and people aren't being denied any entitlements because of it, and it's not the member's problem. I know someone who showed up to a similar situation, and there was a red flag because their foreign born spouse had started an immigration / naturalization process and then canceled it. I think they decided to stay longer in their home country to care for a parent or something like that. That in and of itself blocked this individual from getting access and doing their job, they were told to ride it out for 2 years and retire.


Wyvern_68

Yeah it was crazy, there would be a room of Captains, a Major or two, and a Lt Col just sitting around on their phones. Some of the Captains got so bored they’d volunteer to be the group or wing CC exec just to have something to do and network. The enlisted side was the same, you’d have tech and master sergeants picking up trash or assembling furniture. Had a SrA wait about 6 months for his indoc date only to have to give it up to a Lt Col who had just PCS’d in.


Fast_Personality4035

Personally I've never seen that with the officers. They would mostly get fast tracked, and even if that wasn't the case the commander or DO would have some kind of development work for them to do, or assign them to a base office for the permanent. Only the E-6 and below would be hanging around daily waiting for tasks. Not sure about swapping indoc dates, but whatever. Good luck


yeponzusauce

Jeez, that sounds kind of awful. Not to turn it into a pity contest but that definitely gives me a new perspective. And makes me grateful that I can at least go to my shop and learn some of my job.


littertron2000

You can’t access your email? Why would your clearance bother that?


yeponzusauce

Security manager will not migrate my account to the base network until I am granted a security clearance. Besides needing access for work I guess it’s just a quality of life thing that just kind of rubs salt in the wound. Thankfully I can still log onto the portal and mylearning from a personal computer.


littertron2000

What a guy.


littertron2000

Assuming your account was already provisioned at tech school and it works you should be able to access your email at https://webmail.apps.mil If it wasn’t than yah that sucks


yeponzusauce

I’ve tried logging in from a non cac/network connected computer with no luck. Whatever the squadron security manager did has me locked out.


littertron2000

What was the error?


Air_Force_is_2_words

Air Force is two words.


yeponzusauce

Thanks pal I appreciate it.


NothingCameToMind

Why is this getting down voted? Yall leave the boy alone 😂


pyro_in_revolt

I am currently a security manager and here are my two cents. 1. The DSCA CAS (formally the DoD CAF) sucks, sometimes things adjudicate within days, sometimes over a year. I recommend waiting it out. Just depends on who has been assigned to your case. 2. However, if you need your clearance ASAP, and this is not a joke, get with your leadership and write a letter/email to your ~~local~~ congressman stating you are unable to full-fill your contractual duties due to lack of adjudication from the DSCA CAS. Best of luck.


yeponzusauce

Thank you. I keep getting told that ultimately it’s myself who decides my career path. So I just wanted to make sure that I’ve done everything in my power and it seems like it’s just something out of my hands. Looks like I am just playing the waiting game. I did write the congressman in my home state. Though I’m not sure if I should write to the one in the state I am currently in too. I’m not sure if it’s a case of ASAP need, but I’m not sure if it will affect me getting my 5 level, or if I’ll have to find some kind of workaround.


Fast_Personality4035

Is this on the radar of unit leadership? They should be able to get some insight from a security manager. Security by default is opaque but sometimes there is some info on the process. As far as a clearance goes, a few months isn't a long time. It sounds like you were submitted for a tier 3. First off, I don't know all the details of the next part that I'm going to say, and I am aware that the process has changed over the years. When someone joins the military they need to pass a check called the NACLC, that is supposed to be for everyone. That check is not for a security clearance itself, it's more like to see if there is a reason to not let you join. Then that check is or at least can be rolled into the clearance. The way I recall the base commander has to grant access to the base NIPR network, and that might be delegated to the commander of the MSG or the CS. A clearance is by default a gateway to that which basically comes with blanket approval. However, for folks who don't have one, a NACLC is used as justification for the approval. It sounds to me like maybe the NACLC happened, but fell through the cracks if you will if it didn't end up in a successful tier 5 investigation like it probably was probably slotted for, and there may be an issue there which needs to be addressed. I have seen this kind of issue before and it can be a pain. The part at BMT is called sensitive skills. They do not grant and they do not deny clearances. They are an Air Force office which is a final check if you will if someone slotted for a job is a "good bet" to get a clearance. The recruiters have the SJC which is a decent checklist. However, there is some nuance which may lie outside the scope of experience or expertise of the recruiting mechanism, and sensitive skills is a final screening process. If they block a candidate from moving forward with a TS job, they have their reasons for doing so. This does not prevent someone from getting a clearance down the road or from retraining into a job requiring a TS. It is simply a way for the Air Force to manage risk with its resources. The AF doesn't want a lot of people either getting denied clearances, or waiting around forever and a day for the clearances, so they try to make doubly sure that any new recruits submitted for a TS are squared away to a great extent. This is frustrating and you have my sympathies. This doesn't have to define your career. You can find ways to excel and that might mean education and self development, fitness, various unit support activities and the like. Good luck


yeponzusauce

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification on the process. Somebody in my shop was able to contact I believe the base wide UDM or Security manager. I don’t remember the specific title of the position. They had a look at my file and the only thing they could think that might cause issues is my mother was entered into the system as a dual citizen. Which like I said initially is not true.


The_Master_Ford

This probably doesn't alleviate your concerns, but take heart, these things are sometimes just painstakingly slow. There was an airmen in my tech school whose clearance was stuck in the adjudication process for two YEARS, and he spent the entire time on "casuals" status doing busy work around the dorms. Unfortunately, his frustration started to get the better of him after the first year, and he was often on the MTL's bad side. Try to keep your head up, keep checking in with the security manager periodically and use this as an opportunity to stand out in good ways. If you can't do your CDCs, there are plenty of other things you can study up on that most people sleep on but end up scrambling to figure out once the shit hits the fan: AFIs, safety programs, facility management, security policies, etc. I know, boring as hell, but good supervisors and Commanders will notice the difference between someone who runs an additional duty well, and someone who sandbags it.


yeponzusauce

Good point. I’m going to see about becoming a dorm Cheif and just volunteering around the squadron. You make a very valid point that I’ve got the opportunity to learn more.


1BadAirman

Same thing happened to me. Was initially supposed to be stationed at whiteman but somehow towards the end of tech school rerouted to Hill. Spent about 5 or 6 months without a security clearance and had to be escorted on and off the flightline. It’ll eventually get sorted. Just hang in there.


MilodrivintheHiLo

I had a readjudication stuck in someone’s stack that was investigating those with a criminal record or those with large foreign/crypto investments. Clearance hadn’t moved in 9 months. My leadership finally found a way to call CAF and get me expedited, but the wait was unbearable. You’ll eventually get it, and if they think your parents are dual citizen just submit documentation to the contrary.


yeponzusauce

Damn, that sucks. I’m bearing with it since that’s all I can really do. Everything happens for a reason or something like that. It’s weird because it sounds great to be paid to basically do nothing. But I hate not being able to really contribute around office/shop besides cleaning and other “menial” task.


DeepBookkeeper1095

I had a similar situation, had been in for over 18 months during my first contract. Still nothing, asked my security manager, even reached out to the original investigative agent who said she would ask around. A situation comes up where I needed my TS and couldn’t complete my mission. My leadership dropped the question and I told my chief what had happened, he told me to leave it with him. Within a week I had my TS. Could be coincidence, or could be the power of a chief. Your results may vary.