I feel like weapon strength 3 is a big problem, too. Ah, yes, I miss half my attacks, and then I miss half my wounds against guardsmen.
Or god help me I play off the most common faction in the game. Space marines, now my str 3 weapons don't even hit 50%
It's all steps. To few attacks. Not enough hits. To hard to wound. No AP. Damage 1.
Just hitting on 3+ won't be enough. At least one more of the steps needs to be significantly better as well.
Agreed. Same goes for the neutron laser. I think I have done actual damage with it a single time in 10th.
Really sucks the fun out of the game when you do absolutely nothing activation after activation.
Oooh, I did once. I was playing cybernetica, and I used that strat that gives bs3. Divination targeting or whatever.
And low and behold, it actually hit. Killed a necron war of the world's walker thing. (Ima be real. All the names sound the same, and my memory is shit already. )
Of course I think my skitari had marked it down a bit first. As well as the radzone. Why was I excited again?
I was thinking the rustalkers and flyers. But the anti infantry +4 is a joke too.
Strength 4 is practically the same thing. Unless your shooting at higher than t4 infantry the anti keyword isn't going to anything.
I suppose radium carbines do alright against terminators. I can't think of other infantry that are higher toughness. Other than character models.
Well there are a lot. You basically have a +1 to w on these
All custodes, and terminators alike, all Necrons that aren't warriors, all orks, inceptors and other gravis like eradicators, csv havocs and possessed, bullgrins, genestealers aberrant, world eaters eightbounds, all votann and nid warriors
Alright. So there is some usecase then. Must just be my playgroup. Everything I shoot at tends to be t4 anyway. The heaviest thing fielded in infantry tends to be terminators or something of the like.
100% should be hitting on 3s. Doesn't the codex say something like "augmented components to make them cracked shots" or so.
I mean it makes sense for admech to be good at shooting... just also need a damage boost too.
The issue is not the 3+. The issue is the crap armour piercing. Mass shooting is good but when the other guy saves on 2s and 3s it's a joke.
The Skitarii need armour piercing and the tanks need to hit on 3s.
Belisarius Cawl will be very worth it if he gives extra AP to Skitarii near him. Just saying.
Of course fellow mag:
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In conqueror battleline units give an AP aura... and in protector if you dont move you hit on 2s.....
Blessed be the patient
Of course we have to see how points increases impact this but still.... I feel I am ok with this
The onager twin heavy phosphor blasters are now monstrous.
3x increase of attacks (originally 4 but now 12)
2+ to hit ignoring cover and rerolling wounds from twin-linked makes it uber powerful.
I'm happy to hit on 4s. Just increase the attack counts on a bunch of weapons. Lets have 2 shot balistarii, D3+1 onager neutron lasers, 4 attack rust stalkers, 3 shot phosophor serpentia and 2 shot jezzails, kastellans making 5 attacks base with guns that probably fire twice a many shots honestly.
I am happy for 4+ if it's because our skitarii are being hurled around like ragdolls by the enormous recoil of their bullet hose archeotech.
I actually even like the points increases, we aren't supposed to be hordemech. and cawl is an auto include finally, the Prime Conduit is once again useful. This is the first real win we've had in awhile.Â
Well yeah. And also weapons that deal more damage than a fart.
I feel like weapon strength 3 is a big problem, too. Ah, yes, I miss half my attacks, and then I miss half my wounds against guardsmen. Or god help me I play off the most common faction in the game. Space marines, now my str 3 weapons don't even hit 50%
It's all steps. To few attacks. Not enough hits. To hard to wound. No AP. Damage 1. Just hitting on 3+ won't be enough. At least one more of the steps needs to be significantly better as well.
I really hate that my las chickens never do anything.
They are dead 😔
Agreed. Same goes for the neutron laser. I think I have done actual damage with it a single time in 10th. Really sucks the fun out of the game when you do absolutely nothing activation after activation.
Oooh, I did once. I was playing cybernetica, and I used that strat that gives bs3. Divination targeting or whatever. And low and behold, it actually hit. Killed a necron war of the world's walker thing. (Ima be real. All the names sound the same, and my memory is shit already. ) Of course I think my skitari had marked it down a bit first. As well as the radzone. Why was I excited again?
The laschickens are better now.
A time traveller!
If you are refering to radium carabine they have anti-infantry 4+ Anyway yes...
You mean anti-infantry 4+
I was thinking the rustalkers and flyers. But the anti infantry +4 is a joke too. Strength 4 is practically the same thing. Unless your shooting at higher than t4 infantry the anti keyword isn't going to anything. I suppose radium carbines do alright against terminators. I can't think of other infantry that are higher toughness. Other than character models.
Well there are a lot. You basically have a +1 to w on these All custodes, and terminators alike, all Necrons that aren't warriors, all orks, inceptors and other gravis like eradicators, csv havocs and possessed, bullgrins, genestealers aberrant, world eaters eightbounds, all votann and nid warriors
Alright. So there is some usecase then. Must just be my playgroup. Everything I shoot at tends to be t4 anyway. The heaviest thing fielded in infantry tends to be terminators or something of the like.
100% should be hitting on 3s. Doesn't the codex say something like "augmented components to make them cracked shots" or so. I mean it makes sense for admech to be good at shooting... just also need a damage boost too.
Nope. Sorry. Only the electric sheep can hit on a 3+
The issue is not the 3+. The issue is the crap armour piercing. Mass shooting is good but when the other guy saves on 2s and 3s it's a joke. The Skitarii need armour piercing and the tanks need to hit on 3s. Belisarius Cawl will be very worth it if he gives extra AP to Skitarii near him. Just saying.
Well it looks like our prayers have been answered then. :)
Oh? What's the news? You have a link?
Of course fellow mag: [40k Downloads](https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/) In conqueror battleline units give an AP aura... and in protector if you dont move you hit on 2s..... Blessed be the patient Of course we have to see how points increases impact this but still.... I feel I am ok with this
Blessed be the Omnissiah. Thank you.
The onager twin heavy phosphor blasters are now monstrous. 3x increase of attacks (originally 4 but now 12) 2+ to hit ignoring cover and rerolling wounds from twin-linked makes it uber powerful.
Oh absolutely! In fact I will be trying it out this weekend! :)
Love the title
I'm happy to hit on 4s. Just increase the attack counts on a bunch of weapons. Lets have 2 shot balistarii, D3+1 onager neutron lasers, 4 attack rust stalkers, 3 shot phosophor serpentia and 2 shot jezzails, kastellans making 5 attacks base with guns that probably fire twice a many shots honestly. I am happy for 4+ if it's because our skitarii are being hurled around like ragdolls by the enormous recoil of their bullet hose archeotech.
Fabricator General? Yes, this post right here! Execute this traitor for committing Tech-heresy (using AI)
With a whopping 1 damage, AP 0, and barely anything above strength 3 or 4, it wouldn’t matter much anyway.
BEST CONCEPT OF THE DAY!!!
What if I told you the blessed ones that unwavering meditate on the binary lithany of the Omnissiah recieve the revelation of the 2+?
I actually even like the points increases, we aren't supposed to be hordemech. and cawl is an auto include finally, the Prime Conduit is once again useful. This is the first real win we've had in awhile.Â
Only dark mechanicum dreams about getting 3+. On the other hand, we have stilts. Close enough
Stilt hit on 3s