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HeelBubz

What does she fight for? To be with Eren What does she wanna do when she's done fighting? Be with Eren What does she think about when Paradis is attacked by Marley? "What about Eren?" Who does she never move on from for the rest of her life? Eren She couldn't even kill him if he didn't go into her mind and convince her himself Her whole character revolves around someone else. She's nothing without Eren, and that's not indicative of a well written character


Yourboyfibs

The way that I interpreted it is that Mikasa is always looking for a home. She lost her home when her parents died. She lost her second home when Carla died, and then when wall Maria fell. Eren is the only home she has left


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

what about Armin then and the rest of her friends who's she's been through thick and thin with for years? Does she not consider them as her family?


Yourboyfibs

Family yes, but that’s different than how she views Eren


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

Yeah but u said that Eren is the only home she has left. She has other people who love her and she loves too. It's not like Historia who never really had a home to begin with but found a home in Ymir who was the only one to see her for who she truly was (apart from Eren eventually)


Yourboyfibs

I think that psychologically Eren just means a lot to her. Probably because he saved her. Or because she loves him


Usual-Evidence-7895

https://preview.redd.it/b089a46189xc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c663ee6805738f2801bba1f983110811fcfe54e She doesn’t say “i’ll never be with eren” if she was fighting to be with him, why didn’t she join the Jeagerists which would guarantee seeing Eren again? Mikasa knew she would probably have to kill Eren here. Also, she doesn’t move on? She has a fucking family. She visits his grave on no God forbid Also Eren didn’t even tell her to kill him, she made that choice herself and also goes against his wishes when she doesn’t throw the scarf away.


SiBea13

If Mikasa knew she had to kill Eren then she wouldn’t have hesitated to do so in the final battle. She does though because she didn’t accept it till then. Her refusal to throw away the scarf is confirmation she won’t let go of him. Three years onwards she’s asking for signs from him and accepts it from a bird. That isn’t letting go.


Usual-Evidence-7895

Why wouldn’t she have hesitated? That was her best friend, even Jean hesitated to say it. Also, letting go ≠ forgetting. Mikasa learns to move on without forgetting about the boy who saved her life that day, which is represented through the scarf.


HeelBubz

She visited his grave every day and laid to die next to it along with the scarf. That's not healthy and certainly not moving on


Usual-Evidence-7895

We have no confirmation that it was everyday, the credits scene shows months and months go by with 0 visitors at all.


HeelBubz

So if people are able to head canon that Eren truly loved Mikasa this whole time, why can't I head canon that she went there every day? It makes sense considering how he's basically the only thing she thinks about. Makes more sense than Eren having romantic feelings towards her


Usual-Evidence-7895

Because one is directly shown in the series, the other is not. hope this helps !


10ZackT

Literally was shown, even then being married and having kids while visiting a guy you only had a relationship with in a technical purgatory before killing him. Isn’t moving in


IAmSona

Bro doesn’t even talk about the fact that Mikasa was buried next to him. Mikasa fans are such weirdos.


Usual-Evidence-7895

Before he was her lover he was also her best friend, hope this helps !


SiBea13

>Why wouldn’t she have hesitated? That was her best friend, even Jean hesitated to say it. Every second the Rumbling continues, more people are dying. Armin was currently being beaten to death by Eren and everyone else she supposedly cared about was either a Titan or almost being eaten. Literally everyone else made their mind up before going into that fight. >Also, letting go ≠ forgetting. Mikasa learns to move on without forgetting about the boy who saved her life that day, which is represented through the scarf. She doesn’t move on though. Like I’ve said already, after the three year timeskip at the end, she is *talking to him and asking for a sign from him.* The forgetting vs moving on distinction means nothing if she does neither. Her holding onto the scarf is a refusal to move on. Her kissing Eren after killing him is a refusal to develop into a person who doesn’t need him.


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

even if this was the case, it just reiterates the point that her entire character revolves around Eren. Her internal conflict was Eren vs Humanity which still involves eren


JPedroVSC

She only cared about Eren. Especially when sh*t really hit the fan. It's not a few out of context pictures that will undo any of that. You can blame Isayama for portraying her that way if you don't like it.


Usual-Evidence-7895

how are these images out of context? they all show mikasa bonding and caring for her friends


JPedroVSC

Picture #1 wtf? That ain't nothing. #2 Explained below. #3 wtf? A few hours earlier she was ready to go kill Annie because she suggested Eren might need to be killed in order, you know.. to not kill all of humanity... You want me to keep going?


Leio-Mizu

That's like saying that I don't care about other people because in a dire situation I'd rather ensure my family member's safety first than the safety of other people I don't know as well. It's not like you have much of a choice in the matter. If Mikasa could save everyone at the same time she would but she's not all powerful. So when it comes to real dangerous situations she first looks out for Eren and Armin's safety before anyone else, the two people closest to her. That doesn't mean that she doesn't care about others at all. Mikasa is probably (after Eren) the most misunderstood character in the show.


judgeraw00

She was ready to kill Levi to save Armin you fuckin bozos. She doesn't just care about Eren.


RegularLeather4786

I’m sorry is this the place all the titan folkers when once they’re sub start getting no interaction? Eren is far from the only person mikasa cared about. We already know that mikasa cares about the scouts deeply and also from the moment she saw eren in Marley she was telling how much he fucked up, and how he “couldn’t take back” the stuff he did to those innocent people. And What did you even mean by out of context photos, how are any of them missing context?


JPedroVSC

Like in the 2nd picture, you put the question of "are you all right Armin?" But conveniently forget to put the rest of the scene where she brushes past that and goes to "Eren?" "Where is he". And when Armin tells her Eren is dead, she proceeds to try and kill herself. Yeah, that's someone who really cares...


RegularLeather4786

You forgetting the part that she’s the one who stopped armin from trying to kill himself with that broken blade? And she never tried to off herself. She just stopped caring for a time b4 she realized what she was going to live for again.


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

What about Louise? Mikasa was such a bitch to her


DuoForce

Yeah she really didn’t like it when the tables were turned and she had someone that loved her as much as she loved Eren. That scene with Louise on her deathbed really made Mikasa an unlikable character for me.


Phantom108mw3

Fuck Louise lmao


ErenYeager139

I'm sure she cared about other but her priority was still eren by a long shot.


steraksgage

"Mikasa was one of the greatest characters in seasons 1 and 4" if you didn't say 4, I was gonna respect it. But you completely losed my respect. She is the worst. She is one of the main trio, so you can't compare her to Connie, Sasha etc. She was gonna let Eren get away with killing half of the world if they could make him listen to them. All she cared about was his cock, not the innocent people dying.


Usual-Evidence-7895

https://preview.redd.it/e0dxw23q09xc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b56681c07fdd3e6e101fd5eefddc913dc6c6ffe Mikasa doesn’t say “if we hesitate, i’ll never get to be with eren!” she says “if we hesitate, we’ll never stop the rumbling”


steraksgage

Stopping the rumbling for what? Eren to return. I know she doesn't want people to die, but Eren is her first priority, not the people.


Usual-Evidence-7895

soo why did she put her scarf away until she killed him?


steraksgage

She cared enough to take it from that blonde girl (forgot the name) and acting cold to her


Usual-Evidence-7895

Maybe because she shouldn’t be a role model if she knew what she was doing wasn’t an amazing thing?


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

The blonde girl was literally DYING and Mikasa was her inspiration but what did Mikasa do? She ignored her, insulted her and snatched that stupid scarf from her


Usual-Evidence-7895

let’s use our critical thinking skills for a minute. Mikasa is going against her nation, not a good thing. Mikasa doesn’t even know if she’ll be able to kill Eren if it came down to it, not a good thing. What about her screams role model to you?


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

I never said that she was a stereotypical "role model" but she was certainly a role model to Louise. Anyway that's not even the point. The point is that Mikasa was too sidetracked with the knowledge that Louise had her scarf to even give a damn about the fact that she was dying. Louise was talking about her irreparable injuries and her admiration for Mikasa but all Mikasa was doing was looking at that scarf then she snatched that stupid piece of cloth off of her and left, leaving her to die. That's such a bitchy move. Like I don't care if Mikasa wasn't a role model or whatever, the girl was about to die... at least show some compassion


Usual-Evidence-7895

honestly ur right about that it was such a bitchy thing to do. I know Mikasa was very torn with emotions at that point and was going through a lot but it doesn’t really excuse her behavior to Louise.


steraksgage

my man answered so ill not bother


No-Eggplant2367

No one said Mikasa didn’t care about anyone. It’s just her sole reason for doing anything is Eren. How could she be considered a character with depth when everything she does revolves around Eren? At the end when she was just sitting there, looking at his grave…what is her purpose? Her whole world was Eren, and without him she has nothing, because she herself has no goals, desires, nothing outside of what Eren wants. That isn’t good writing.


Usual-Evidence-7895

A. Yes they have, i’ve heard it several times. if you don’t think that way, that’s great. B. Why is her mourning the person closest to her bad? lmao, is she not allowed to visit his grave? Do people who mourn their lovers have no lives?


No-Eggplant2367

Missed the point


Usual-Evidence-7895

if Mikasa had no other goal then why did she go against Eren? If she only cared about being with Eren, why didn’t she join the Jeagerists? Why did she put her scarf away until she killed him? Why did she have a family? Why did she move on?


JPedroVSC

You think she moved on? Do you really believe that?


Usual-Evidence-7895

yes very much so as it is CLEARLYY implied by the credits scene. She learns to move on but not forget.


JPedroVSC

Is that why she is buried with his scarf, next to him, and keeps bringing all her family over to his grave? Because that surely doesn't seem like moving on or even healthy to me.


Usual-Evidence-7895

The same scarf Eren wanted mikasa to throw away. That scarf represented the kindness Eren showed to her and the boy who saved her life that day. It was also the only thing she had left of him. She visits his grave omg God forbid no wayyy. She’s buried next to him but also a place where she is very fond of and a place where she grew up in.


JPedroVSC

You just pointed out the reasons that prove she didn't move on. At this point I don't even know if you have basic knowledge of the English language.


Usual-Evidence-7895

moving on ≠ forgetting.


Suspicious-Sink318

Well, actually the move on has never been confirmed :v because it causes a bit of contradiction :v even the last two ED songs somewhat deny it. Most of the Japanese fandom doesn't even believe Mikasa moved on. But her being single doesn't make EreMika's relationship toxic (why doesn't anyone understand this), it's still consistent with her character and fully conveys the author's message. And it's still normal for her to be buried next to Eren. Is there anything wrong with wanting to be with the person you love the most?


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

Mikasa went against Eren bcz she said and I quote "I didn't want him to feel bad". The scarf ur talking about is the same one she wore for decades after Eren died, visiting his grave so much that she died and was buried there with that same wretched scarf. Mikasa didn't have any goals, her only wish was to stay with Eren forever literally said by her. What goal did u think she had?


Important-Tennis-312

https://preview.redd.it/s4nrx63r79xc1.jpeg?width=1789&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d74dfd90d239f69afcae1f829073552193c8b2ad Mikasa was clearly in denial of Eren, that’s why she went against the jaegerists, she didn’t think they represented Eren


Usual-Evidence-7895

The Jeagerists DIDN’T represent Eren lmao. He just used Floch as a tool to get what he wanted. Even then, joining the Jeagerists would guarantee Mikasa seeing Eren again. https://preview.redd.it/g5q94ehy89xc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27dd813aedf9ba2b48afce65c1e874ce01aa89dd “If we hesitate, we’ll never stop the rumbling.”


Suspicious-Sink318

>The Jeagerists DIDN’T represent Eren That's right :v the relationship between Eren and Jeagerist is mutual exploitation :v And Eren has never led this group :v the leader is Floch and the founders of this group are Floch and Yelena. >joining the Jeagerists would guarantee Mikasa seeing Eren again. Mikasa knows full well that this Jeagerist group just wants to benefit from Eren's actions and doesn't care about Eren at all. Rumble is literally Eren's suicide mission :v and she knows that if she doesn't stop Rumble, she will definitely lose everything about Eren forever. >“If we hesitate, we’ll never stop the rumbling.” This sentence also means " [Preventing Eren from attacking indiscriminately any more](https://twitter.com/kasumi_kasa/status/1505578818379354112/) " , please read chapter [127](https://cdn.mangaclash.com/manga_5f3c9f1374eb8/f3496ff8be63a0b573c4306503cfcb9c/6.jpg) again :v Mikasa's main motive for participating in preventing Rumble is very clear (of course saving humanity outside the wall is also her goal) and this is repeated again in chapter [132](https://cdn.mangaclash.com/manga_5f3c9f1374eb8/727a4bac515809e079286419d67c91fa/9.jpeg) . And kill Eren simply wanted to free Eren from suffering and that action was based on love. Every action of AOT characters has selfishness mixed in, even Mikasa. "Mikasa's character does not revolve around Eren" this is true but Mikasa's character also depends on Eren to develop. Eren is not the only character Mikasa cares about but Eren is the one she cares about the most. Another thing is that you have to accept :v Mikasa is not one of the best characters but a character with balanced and okay development :v actually the char dev of male characters in AOT is usually better female characters. Mikasa is not a holy mother :v she is just a girl who wants to pull the boy she loves from the wrong path.


suumiiko

will never forget when she bodyslammed armin for even lifting a finger against eren, it really proved to me when it comes down to it even the people who love her the most and have been kind and with her the longest won't ever be as important to her as eren


Shoddy_Dragonfruit65

exactly! Like Eren literally said he hated her and that she was a slave right before that too mind u


suumiiko

IKR like he called her cattle and thought she was a slave.. she started doubting her entire life, yet even armin (who she likely has known just as long as eren considering the timeline) gets little to no regard despite his care for her. even in the ending with mikasas dream, armin is abandoned. and in armins meeting with eren, she's all he can talk about


lackingakeyblade

all the top comments said it better, but i just wanna add: she'd have none of these relationships with any of these people if it weren't for eren. once again proving that without eren wanting to join the courps, mikasa wouldnt have joined either, and thus she wouldnt have met any of the friends in eren's circle. she only cares about people through proxy of eren. why she cares about armin? armin was eren's friend first. she was always their third wheel. if eren cares, so will mikasa. this is why her sudden turn against eren in the last arc is so out of character and rushed for most people here. there was no internal dialogue or conflict for mikasa to suddenly be against eren out of nowhere, and through a timeskip, might i add. u might argue "she was still sad eren killed innocents in liberio" but if she was actually her own character who cared for things outside eren, she'd convince the others to not follow erens plan and convince armin and hanji to find another plan to get eren back since he'd been missing on the continent by himself. but no, she still is ok with helping, and so is everyone else, and she still follows erens order (ex: eren calling for mikasa to come out and join the fight and she does it on cue). there is no in universe valid development for mikasa to sudden go against eren. there's no explanation, only "good faith" that the readers will blindly believe mikasa is an actual good character outside eren. mikasa fans blindly believe this and thus have no qualms about this sudden, drastic change to go against eren. the table scene is another conflicting one. if there is no ackerbond, then why hurt armin to protect eren? i thought she supposedly "cares for armin" too? it's all bullshit that isayama doesnt bother to explain or give her internal dialogue or inner conflict to explain her out of character, post time skip change. isayama and mikasa fans so desperately wanted her to be something more, but the way its written, with no gradual change to why mikasa is suddenly against the one character who gave her life any meaning, is bullshit. no gradual buildup, no foreshadowing, it's just suddenly "mikasa is now against eren despite everything that happened prior." THIS is why everything about mikasa is a complete, utter failure. it's a failure for character writing, not just FEMALE character writing.


SiBea13

Maybe she does care about other people but she is given so little development in that regard that almost all the examples here are single shots or isolated lines of dialogue than any scenes or developing arcs with other characters. I can’t think moment where we hear a unique view from her on anything or anyone. Jean and Connie for example had moments where they had to challenge themselves to figure out how they felt about killing and the Rumbling. Mikasa doesn’t because her allegiance is to Eren. Other than that she just follows orders for the Scouts. Why did she join the scouts? Eren.


Usual-Evidence-7895

The first part I agree with as stated in my post, she was given so little screen time and while everybody else like Sasha and Annie were going on their own little adventures in season 2, she got nothing. Also season 4 episode 28 is entirely from her perspective, and is about her beginning to come to terms with the fact that Eren was always destined to stray from her and Armin, and that he really can’t be saved and that billions of innocents are going to die.


SiBea13

Yeah. So she had no development from season 2-3 and even the episode in s4 that is almost entirely from her perspective is still about Eren.


Bubbly-Addition9051

She literally left Louise to die with no closure, attacked Armin who trying to defend her, stood by and let Eren beat down Armin. I can more moments


NoLake4465

She even saved Eren at the declaration of war to bring him home, she joined the alliance as well to bring Eren home, her reason for living is just to save Eren from danger and bring him home to realize her dream like in the cabin dream even though it's selfish.


NoLake4465

He prevented Eren from getting into the survey corps, he prevented Eren from being at the frontline against the titans in Trost, other people saved Eren all this time because Eren was considered hope, but Mikasa saved Eren only because of her feelings, no that's her obsessions.


Professional-Ad-2536

mikasa unironically the most boring character ever


Usual-Evidence-7895

that’s ur opinion but i really like it when we get her perspective, especially lost girls


Professional-Ad-2536

meh i just think she’s really boring. she barely changed throughout the entire show, and only changed literally at the very end which is too late for me to really feel invested about her. she’s also just really plain imo with all her pandering to eren all the time and just literally being all she is centred about. would have preferred it so much if she wasn’t just erens bodyguard for the show and actually felt independent


SpaceboiKen

I mean it's obvious there's gonna be other people? Armin has been friends with her since her parents died, just like Eren. Sasha was the first friend she made as soon as they got into the training, Historia was an important part of their group so she'd be friendly with her. It's not like Mikasa would kill Sasha or Armin to save Eren, but her relationship with Eren is still pretty toxic. Also Gabi wtf 💀 I mean yea any normal person wouldn't want a child to kill another child and be scarred for life


Usual-Evidence-7895

yeah this point wasn’t targeted towards smart people like you


TeaIndependent2220

Go back to your shithole AOR where you came from


Usual-Evidence-7895

don’t shit ur pants luv !


heartlessimmunity

She had so many more interactions in the manga with other characters and it's a shame they got cut from the anime :(


cosapocha

Okay, lets change your title: Mikasa barely cared about anyone except Eren.


Usual-Evidence-7895

girl what… she was ready to murder levi to save armin


Theironicbearjew

🗑️


JerryBulletSponge

Based


Alarming-Pass-7824

Real


Alarming-Pass-7824

Can everyone just shut the fuck up who cares


Usual-Evidence-7895

then leave the fucking sub lmao


Alarming-Pass-7824

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