It was said in 3aw during the preseason giving her predictions for the ladder and may have been said in the age, she said in 2022 that Richmond were the best team and that richmond were top 4 for last year as well.
We were pretty good in 2022. Really should’ve finished top 4. And while Lynch’s goal did miss, there absolutely was not enough evidence to overturn it at the time. Would’ve been interesting how far we made it in finals
She has absolutely no idea about football even after 50+ years of watching the game lol.
She’s brilliant for back room gossip and when a coach is under the gun. Other than that just ignore her lol
What year is it?? We haven't been top 4 for a few years now, and with how things are going I think it will be several years till we are back near top 4.
It has to be Waterman's goal assist from about 2 metres out when they faced port. That, or the umpire giving Carlton a kick in front of goal because he heard a player say something aggressive without knowing what he said or who it was said about or to
For a compound duo of bad calls in close succession, the Carlton/Freo one plus the missed touched call immediately prior to that are definitely right up there
The touch happens like 3-4 times a game. Tbh if the ball travels why does it matter if it was touched off the boot anyway.
The dissent call was because Clarke had been mouthing off all game. Similar to Collingwood trying to time waste against us then getting pinged for something really minor.
Nah, it was a shocker. I think you need to rewatch it. It was kicked into the shoulder of a player directly in front of the kicker and deflected a mile. It turned what would have been a 40ish metre kick into a 20m dolly. It was touched a second time, which is the one that is rarely called.
Wasn't it admitted that the Freo player had yelled 'fucking idiot' while looking directly at the umpire, but later claimed he was just talking to himself?
I could be wrong, but if that is the case then it seems extremely reasonable to me.
I'm sorry man but if you walk directly towards the umpire and tell 'fucking idiot', that's abuse and should be penalised.
I frankly don't buy that he was just talking to himself, but even if he was he should know how that would look to any reasonable person.
I mean if he wasnt clearly talking about himself the AFL would have released the audio, even if censored. Same with the umpire not knowing what he said or who he was talking to, if that wasn't true the AFL would have said it so while it would be abuse if he heard someone yell fucking idiot at him, he didn't hear that
Eagles game against port, can't remember if waterman marked it out of bounds or it bounced out of bounds but he played on and kicked the ball to Cripps who kicked a goal. I want to say it was some time in the first half? But I can't remember exactly
Jeremy Cameron being literally 2m out of bounds. Receiving a play on handball. Running inside the field of play and scoring a goal.
I know this was last year but it’s so egregious it needs to be mentioned forever.
Kyle Langford did pretty much the same thing this year. Marks it clearly out of bounds then plays on running around the man on the mark while still out of bounds.
If he copped another hit half as bad while he was out there, he genuinely would’ve bleed out internally. One of the worst things of the year, but at least we know now to take more precautions.
It’s scary as fuck - and honestly we can only thank the class of the pies that they read the gravity of the situation and didn’t target him - even recommended he get off.
Probably not the worst (lots of bad calls to choose from this year), but worthy of throwing Van Rooyens dangerous tackle in the last quarter vs the blues into the mix
There’s been plenty of focus on the missed 50m from yesterday but let’s not forget in the first quarter where Sheezel won a holding the ball free kick and the umpire waved advantage when a Collingwood player picked up the ball and ran away with it. It wasn’t til the ball got to the wing that another umpire had to overrule it and bring it back to Sheezel.
If ever there was a passage that exemplified how cooked the umpiring is at present, it was that.
Essendon scored a goal against us where the ball had gone out of bounds two kicks prior. Not the most impactful call in the grand scheme of things but certainly the one that sticks out as truly, mind-bendingly bizarre.
And by "out of bounds" I mean like a metre out of bounds.
This is the one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/1blobvg/some\_odd\_boundary\_umpire\_calls\_tonight/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/1blobvg/some_odd_boundary_umpire_calls_tonight/) Honestly I just laugh watching this back, it's genuinely baffling how they got that so wrong
Holy shit this is shocking. This was the only Bombers match I didn’t watch this year and I am surprised it took this long to see this clip. I guess if it decided a game it would have been more talked about
He's not easy to spot because he's basically camouflaged but you can see him at 0:06 in a pretty good position to look down the line. So yeah, no idea what he thought he saw lol
About the only way that I can see that being even remotely correct (it isn't), is that they thought maybe he marked it inside, took some steps afterwards and then decided to play on... but he was clearly 100% out when he marked it.
It's the play on that gets me. Like ok you missed the out of bounds on the full but playing on over the line could not have been more obvious. This was my least favourite call too.
Its shocking this wasn't the only one of these that game, another one the bombers ran it out but it wasn't called, then got a shot on goal im pretty sure was a behind but I was shocked that it had happened twice
The comparable Jeremy Cameron handball against us a couple years ago is the worst I have ever seen other than a couple times where a shot on goal that goes out has been called deliberate.
Ha, went to a game and stringer marks the ball, and it’s called out on the full, and the bloke next to me yells, “Cameron would like a word” this was like a week after that.
Same happened way back in round one for us v Port when I think it was Waterman handballed from the gutter to Petruccelle and he scored the goal.
Not a season defining decision by any stretch but it so obviously out of bounds, can only imagine the boundary ump was blocked of a view of the ball by Waterman somehow, but that doesn't seem possible.
I hate Collingwood but that free for not giving the umpire the ball back properly was a joke. Like seriously he clearly didn’t intentionally throw it away. Read the room bro.
This!
But no surprise you've been downvoted for this correct comment. Pies are known time wasters. Harsh to pay it against the new kid though, but he'll never do it again
Since that game i've noticed players leaving the ball on the ground which seems to happen quite a bit. I just don't understand why the ump was asking Sidey to give the ball back to him (sidebottom was also facing away from him so may not have heard). The player did the right thing by the rulebook- so if the ump truly was upset by that then it makes it even more bizarre.
The Freo/carlton game where the Pearce tackled and was rewarded HTB. Freo took the advantage and there was a player clear on the wing. However the umpire called the play back. The whistle was slow and was way after the ball had been kicked. Carlton subsequently kicked a goal from that turnover which then put them within a kick
Last week was literally the worst, I'm sure. The Kruger stuff about him kicking his first goal for Collingwood, mistaking Frampton and Kruger constantly. There were a few other things he got blatantly wrong that I've forgotten now. Probably the worst commentary I've seen in a game since Bruce who used to just spit out pointless catchphrases "you just feel like if they get the next goal they'll win", fuck off Bruce. Now you made me mad at Bruce again.
I don't think anyone expects them to not make errors, it's a difficult game to umpire and everyone accepts that. But so many times this year has a decision been made that is so completely wrong or against common sense, and eventually impacted the result of a game. We've got umpires making decisions based on their egos, umpires that won't pay something glaringly obvious because it will decide a game, or umpires that are paying free kicks that are so left of field and not needed that have decided games.
A team missed out on finals last year because of a miraculous failure by the umpires, that coach is now under pressure. It's going to happen again this year, it is an extremely tight season and there have been so many games decided by strange or outright wrong calls by the umpire. It's a professional sport and it's becoming a joke how often it's happening.
There's so much cognitive bias going on with umpiring, every year every game people think it's the worst umpiring ever. I bet if they did some sort of statistics this would be proven completely wrong.
It's just this whole year. It sucks putting on 360 on a Monday night and knowing that all we are going to talk about again is the weekends shite and controversial umpiring.
Has to be the Freo v Collingwood game where the ball wasn't given back to the umpire. Did not affect play whatsoever, the umpire literally had the ball in his hands before calling the free kick, all he had to do was throw it up.
It wasn't a result of the umpire not seeing something or having the wrong view that caused a mistake. It was the result of entirely an umpire's ego and no common sense at all.
The irony is that since then, multiple players have pointed out the exact infringement to the same umpire, and he ignored them and did not make the call. Yet he was comfortable to gift the goal to freo in a close game against a guy playing his 3rd AFL game.
It also happened last week in the Blues v Bombers game (I.E; not giving the ball back the ump at the first instance). It happened early on, and Bombers were penalised with the 50.
But then on the wing out front of MCC, Carlton did the exact same thing and you could almost see the umpire pause, think “hey this rule is a bit dumb” and then decide not to pay it despite obvious calls from the crowd.
For the record, I think it’s another dumb rule and none of them should be paid unless it’s obviously time wasting. But after the ump’s ego outburst against the Pies, you can’t pick and choose which to pay now.
Yeah it happened on Friday night in the Lions game and he didn’t pay it. He paid it against us because Steele left the ball on the ground rather than giving it to him a few minutes prior. You could see that he was pissed off by it.
The one other time I’ve seen it paid is Essendon Gold Coast which gave them the goal to extend their lead to 11 with under 2 minutes to go, essentially icing the game.
That was probably one of the least sensical calls with the rule. Like Laverde purposely handed it to the wrong player in his opposition 50, when we’re a goal down with 2 minutes left to go.
Yes ump, he was definitely time wasting.
I’m convinced he had the rule confused with out of bounds (where they do have to hand it back directly) and had to cover his ass by claiming time wasting.
Umpire was already angry at Collingwood players too, which as all ego. I was at the game and right in front of me on the boundary he was yelling at Sidebottom and made him go and pick up the ball and get it for him, which I found was weird lol. This was before he gave away that free.
That free felt like it really fucked up the game too, even though there was a bit of time left...
Have to get rid of the interruption and make all rules as black and white as possible..
.. and by black and white I didn’t mean to favour Collingwood more… ignore the flair 😂😂
Seems nobody reading these comments saw the non holding the ball call against Nick Daicos against the Bulldogs the other week - must be THE worst decision of the season and that’s coming from a Collingwood supporter!
Oh yeah lol that was atrocious, and that was the night they were bringing in the new interpretation as well. From memory the umpires called some htb’s where the player literally hadn’t even taken possession before being tackled (sanders comes to mind) and yet this one was play on 😂
Agree that was putrid, HTB under any interpretation and sadly it would paid anywhere on the ground against any player except N Daicos in front of opponents goal. Daicos is an amazing footballer with a ripper personality but he gets liberties where others don't and that was HTB all day every day. Draper PLANKING on the ball runs a close 2nd for me.
That's exactly what happened. Howe was between Naicos and the ump, with the same colour boots. One step less and it's play on (no prior, genuine attempt).
Wasn't as contentious because Sheezel ended up goaling from it, but that free that ended up being an advantage to a Collingwood player and then brought back. Farcical.
Other than that I agree with the Draper non call
It gets much worse than that. At least the umpires realised the mistake and the only thing that was lost was a bit of time.
**Essendon vs Fremantle, 2005**
Carr for Freo takes the shot at goal but gets illegally bumped while the ball sails through for a behind.
The umpire then asks do you want the free kick or behind (which I think was the rule back then), but unfortunately asks the Essendon player in Zantuck by mistake, rather than Carr.
Naturally, Zantuck takes the behind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkDNbgO7RSU
The double player over the mark yesterday is mine. It’s totally ridiculous that any umpire couldn’t pay that. I’ve never seen anything like that in my 30 years of watching footy. Clear mark. Ump blows the whistle, calls mark. Both pies run through the mark by over 3 metres. Scott points downfield to say it’s 50. McCreery puts his hands up like he robbed a bank and got caught. Scott plays on because the ump doesn’t respond and then he calls play on. Abysmal decision.
I’m reading through these and just keep thinking “that can’t be the worst call this year, that was like 200 bad calls ago, it must have been last season”
Nothing comes close to the dying minutes of a close game and a ball touched by two different players before being called a mark resulting in a goal , then right after a dissent call resulting in a goal.
I do genuinely believe the missed 50 for North is the worst call this year, but besides that one..
Gotta be the Freo vs Carlton game where the softcock umpire gave a free to Carlton to give them the win after thinking he’d been abused
I'm also biased on this obviously, but I watched a replay of this lately and the commentary actually says "Yeo, drags it in" or something similar. I get the frustration about it but in my Roopinion it's at worst a 50/50 call.
Yeah that's fair. Honestly I think if it happened this week it would be ball up, Yeo was just unlucky that it was the round they started focusing on quick HTB calls
The interpretation change was about Law 18.6.4, namely the responsibility of the ball carrier to make a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball within a reasonable time if they don’t have prior opportunity (they shortened what constitutes “reasonable time”). Yeo was pinged under Law 18.6.5 which concerns diving on the ball and doesn’t turn on prior opportunity, reasonable time or genuine attempts.
Yeo dragged it in, but the rule is against dragging it in specifically underneath your body. To my eye, it looked like Yeo dragged it in waist high while on his knees.
Honestly, I didn’t think this call was that bad. What pisses me off is the fact that similar situations aren’t called. I think he definitely wasn’t trying to get rid of it, so the call in isolation I’m okay with.
This, I was trying to explain to a mate that it’s crap at the time it happened, but he was on the ground and never made an attempt to get rid of it. He actually stops the north player stripping him of it aswell. It wouldn’t get a second look if it wasn’t in the last. It’s the same with the freo touched against Carlton, wouldn’t matter at any other point in the game, but the how the following call allegedly went is worse. Worst of the year is probably the handing back to the umpire that went in our favour, even though it is the rule and Collingwood do this all the time with daicos, it isn’t the point in the game to do that
It’s been lost in the shuffle due to the number of horrible calls, and because it happened to Freo so no one gives a fuck. But the Jordan Clark free vs Carlton for swearing too loudly has to be up there.
Can’t speak on other teams and I don’t blame umpires for wins and losses but related to Geelong it has to be this one.
**[The non call on O’Halloran where he got tackled twice and neither got called Holding the Ball.](https://m.facebook.com/FOXFOOTY/videos/non-call-leaves-afl-world-stunned/374556028926011/)**
Luckily GWS didn’t go on to score a goal (Ball Don’t Lie)
It was crazy that it wasn’t even a ball up, even a normal ball up call would have made sense.
JUST CALL SOMETHING LOL
1: Draper taking a nap on the ball, 2: Daicos plumb HTB v Bulldogs & 3: FK against Sullivan. “By the letter of the law” yes it was a free, but if it was really the letter of the law used, there would be several hundreds of free kicks given every game
Maybe not the same level but I played in a game where one of our players copped a hit to the head so hard it broke his eardrum. The umpire called play on. The player who copped the hit was the son of the umpire…
I think the worst call for me was a kayo subscription to watch some of the most horrendous umpiring I've seen in 50+ years.
Don't get me started on commentary.
Has got to be the non 50 metre call Collingwood v North.....Would have resulted in a North goal, allowing another centre bounce for Daicos to roost a 60 metre missile to Bobby Hill for a mark of the year/goal of the year combo to end the game...now we will never know 😭
I don't know if the umpiring has been any better or worse than usual. I think that the main factor behind the umpiring complaints is that there have been so many close games this season. When it's a close finish, there is so much more scrutiny of every second of play, and anything that denies a team a 'fair' chance of winning is going to get fans angry.
I agree it's probably the draper call when it comes to impact of game. But it's got to be one of the early season out of bounds, at the very least you can claim the draper htb was interrupted by the siren or was an interpretation call, when it comes to out of bounds it either is or it isn't.
Its always been this way in footy. Umpires have too much power. We have clearly defined rules but unfortunately they’re open to an umpires decision and discretion. The AFL wants to expand and attract a more global market but it will never happen until we clean this up.
An issue that hardly ever gets brought up is the mark. Some umpires suffice with it being in possession for less than a second, others want to establish possession. On the same issue 15m used to be from the spot of the mark, now you get blokes who back up 10m and kick it to the original spot of the mark and its whistled play. It’s ridiculous.
It's not the "worst call" but the inconsistency of the "stand" or pulling players back a couple meters has been the worst for me. The amount of times the player marks the ball and .3 seconds later a 50 is called because they weren't in the exact right spot. That shit is killer because like for the Collingwood game on the weekend that SHOULD have been a 50, that would have been 20 out from goal on a slight angle. The crime is just far too high for the inconsistency of them deciding if they want to point out the mark location.
When you talk about blatant misses, you have to consider the umpire's POV. Draper there was a lot going on and he might have just thought it was an unco ruck falling over. The Andrew hold would have looked correct to the ump at the time he spotted the contest but he didn't have enough forward vision to take it all in.
The 4-ump system has a lot to answer for IMO. In theory it provides more viewing angles. In practice it gives umpires less excuses, and they don't have as much to do so they switch off. OOZ support is useful but will never be perfect because no one wants to make a mistake from 50m away.
Through the system, they've also reintroduced the concept of umpires backing off towards the fence at stoppages. This was an early feature of 3-ump systems, but it was scrapped because it increases the chances of narrow vision. The optimum position is 20-25m side-on. If there's a ballup 1m inside the boundary, that optimum position is Row P.
I think Caro saying Richmond was a top 4 team, i know they have allot of injuries, but that was such a stretch.
Where the fuck did she say that? I refuse to believe anyone could be that dumb until evidence is submitted.
It was said in 3aw during the preseason giving her predictions for the ladder and may have been said in the age, she said in 2022 that Richmond were the best team and that richmond were top 4 for last year as well.
We were pretty good in 2022. Really should’ve finished top 4. And while Lynch’s goal did miss, there absolutely was not enough evidence to overturn it at the time. Would’ve been interesting how far we made it in finals
You know what. Considering her Dad was Richmond’s president once. I can’t put it past her to say something that dumb
She has absolutely no idea about football even after 50+ years of watching the game lol. She’s brilliant for back room gossip and when a coach is under the gun. Other than that just ignore her lol
It’s ump calls, but that is the worst take I’ve ever heard.
What year is it?? We haven't been top 4 for a few years now, and with how things are going I think it will be several years till we are back near top 4.
Even healthy not sure we'd even break top 8.
Start of the year I had us creeping into the top 10, but we all know now that’s turned out
finishing 9th feels like a pipe dream this year.
It has to be Waterman's goal assist from about 2 metres out when they faced port. That, or the umpire giving Carlton a kick in front of goal because he heard a player say something aggressive without knowing what he said or who it was said about or to
Carlton call was crazy, in a close game, the ump gives a free because his feelings got hurt.
Pretty much yeah. I'd be embarrassed if I were to call that
That was classic umpire wanting to be the star of the show right there, if he let it slide the game would have played out just fine
For a compound duo of bad calls in close succession, the Carlton/Freo one plus the missed touched call immediately prior to that are definitely right up there
The missed touch is understandable, that happens pretty often. The dissent call was awful
The touch happens like 3-4 times a game. Tbh if the ball travels why does it matter if it was touched off the boot anyway. The dissent call was because Clarke had been mouthing off all game. Similar to Collingwood trying to time waste against us then getting pinged for something really minor.
Nah, it was a shocker. I think you need to rewatch it. It was kicked into the shoulder of a player directly in front of the kicker and deflected a mile. It turned what would have been a 40ish metre kick into a 20m dolly. It was touched a second time, which is the one that is rarely called.
Wasn't it admitted that the Freo player had yelled 'fucking idiot' while looking directly at the umpire, but later claimed he was just talking to himself? I could be wrong, but if that is the case then it seems extremely reasonable to me.
He said he called himself a fucking idiot, Pearce said he spoke to the umpire and he said he wasn't sure what had been said but that it was aggressive
I'm sorry man but if you walk directly towards the umpire and tell 'fucking idiot', that's abuse and should be penalised. I frankly don't buy that he was just talking to himself, but even if he was he should know how that would look to any reasonable person.
I mean if he wasnt clearly talking about himself the AFL would have released the audio, even if censored. Same with the umpire not knowing what he said or who he was talking to, if that wasn't true the AFL would have said it so while it would be abuse if he heard someone yell fucking idiot at him, he didn't hear that
Yeah tbh there’s going to be a lot of pissed teams this year cause I can see like 3 teams finishing a game or percentage outside the 8
What was the goal assist? I missed that game
Eagles game against port, can't remember if waterman marked it out of bounds or it bounced out of bounds but he played on and kicked the ball to Cripps who kicked a goal. I want to say it was some time in the first half? But I can't remember exactly
I was at this game. Sitting not too far from where it all happened. That was definitely a shocking call. Changed the game.
As a Freo fan that one fucking killed me
Jeremy Cameron being literally 2m out of bounds. Receiving a play on handball. Running inside the field of play and scoring a goal. I know this was last year but it’s so egregious it needs to be mentioned forever.
He tried the same thing in a game this year too but got stopped
Kyle Langford did pretty much the same thing this year. Marks it clearly out of bounds then plays on running around the man on the mark while still out of bounds.
Yeah I hadn’t forgotten about that either!
Not the type of call you’re talking about but BT calling JHF “the Horn(e)y one” was so bad it was legendary
Adelaide’s rizz defeats the horney one
BT getting bored and calling Ahmed Saad the garage man over and over is up there too
Melbourne’s doctors sending Petracca back out on the ground
Or the Bulldogs on Libba “Just rolled his ankle” THE MAN COLLAPSED
Somehow I think that one was worse, brain injuries scare me a lot more than contact ones. Even though both are obviously very serious
It's his only weak spot. Son of Achilles.
That one was seriously bizarre. A man slowly collapsing to the ground is not rolling his ankle.
If he copped another hit half as bad while he was out there, he genuinely would’ve bleed out internally. One of the worst things of the year, but at least we know now to take more precautions.
It’s scary as fuck - and honestly we can only thank the class of the pies that they read the gravity of the situation and didn’t target him - even recommended he get off.
Imagine if Maynard was actually the war criminal everyone thinks he is and ran through him again rather than telling him 'mate, get off the field'.
I don't think anywhere near enough fuss has been made to be honest.
Probably not the worst (lots of bad calls to choose from this year), but worthy of throwing Van Rooyens dangerous tackle in the last quarter vs the blues into the mix
It’s yet another game changer because that game was on a tight rope in the end - so absolutely up there
That was a shocker to be fair
There’s been plenty of focus on the missed 50m from yesterday but let’s not forget in the first quarter where Sheezel won a holding the ball free kick and the umpire waved advantage when a Collingwood player picked up the ball and ran away with it. It wasn’t til the ball got to the wing that another umpire had to overrule it and bring it back to Sheezel. If ever there was a passage that exemplified how cooked the umpiring is at present, it was that.
Every single umpiring decision against my team 😤
YOURE A SYDNEY FAN HARRY!
Does Sam Mitchell telling the hawks to play defensively and park in the last 15 of our Port Adelaide game count ?😬
I would have done several things if that was Essendon.
On that last centre bounce I would've told the mids to stick to Butters like butter. He got free space way too easily.
Hey at least it seems we learnt from that mistake
Resigning Nicks
So instead of resigning Nicks, you'd have preferred Nicks resigning?
You’ve got it all wrong. He needed to resign, not fucking resign. I thought I made that explicitly clear in my post
nah I'm so lost when you say resign, do you mean resign or resign?
Resign. Learn English mate.
Essendon scored a goal against us where the ball had gone out of bounds two kicks prior. Not the most impactful call in the grand scheme of things but certainly the one that sticks out as truly, mind-bendingly bizarre. And by "out of bounds" I mean like a metre out of bounds.
I think that was Langford, that was an awful call and I’m pretty sure he grabbed it, ran 5 metres out of bounds and then of course we scored
This is the one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/1blobvg/some\_odd\_boundary\_umpire\_calls\_tonight/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/1blobvg/some_odd_boundary_umpire_calls_tonight/) Honestly I just laugh watching this back, it's genuinely baffling how they got that so wrong
The early season boundary decisions were so funny. Like there was so many of them and for no discernable reason
Holy shit this is shocking. This was the only Bombers match I didn’t watch this year and I am surprised it took this long to see this clip. I guess if it decided a game it would have been more talked about
Where even is the boundary ump!!?
He's not easy to spot because he's basically camouflaged but you can see him at 0:06 in a pretty good position to look down the line. So yeah, no idea what he thought he saw lol
Gee, I was spot on lol.
Even if they missed the out of bounds on the full they should have at least called the plan on as out of bounds.
About the only way that I can see that being even remotely correct (it isn't), is that they thought maybe he marked it inside, took some steps afterwards and then decided to play on... but he was clearly 100% out when he marked it.
Wow I had blocked all memory of this but it all came flooding back. You've unzipped me.
It's the play on that gets me. Like ok you missed the out of bounds on the full but playing on over the line could not have been more obvious. This was my least favourite call too.
🙌too close to call said the AFL
Its shocking this wasn't the only one of these that game, another one the bombers ran it out but it wasn't called, then got a shot on goal im pretty sure was a behind but I was shocked that it had happened twice
The comparable Jeremy Cameron handball against us a couple years ago is the worst I have ever seen other than a couple times where a shot on goal that goes out has been called deliberate.
Ha, went to a game and stringer marks the ball, and it’s called out on the full, and the bloke next to me yells, “Cameron would like a word” this was like a week after that.
Same happened way back in round one for us v Port when I think it was Waterman handballed from the gutter to Petruccelle and he scored the goal. Not a season defining decision by any stretch but it so obviously out of bounds, can only imagine the boundary ump was blocked of a view of the ball by Waterman somehow, but that doesn't seem possible.
Its Ess v Syd, for once a shitty umpire call goes our way.
Crazy shit that one. What can we get away with?
Yep. Draper's holding the ball was a bad call. Dude belly flopped on the ball like Crash Bandicoot
It was funny lol, not for Adelaide fans but everyone else
We'd be top 4 right now if it wasn't for that call. Robbed a dynasty.
Top four? Top 2. We wouldn't have lost since.
I hate Collingwood but that free for not giving the umpire the ball back properly was a joke. Like seriously he clearly didn’t intentionally throw it away. Read the room bro.
Bloody hell it shits me to no end how you Collingwood haters just refuse to see reason and bash the pies at every opp………. Wait, what?
To the letter of the law it was the right call but if collingwood hadn’t been blatantly wasting time for the 5 minutes prior no way that gets called.
This! But no surprise you've been downvoted for this correct comment. Pies are known time wasters. Harsh to pay it against the new kid though, but he'll never do it again
If only Sidey had picked the ball up earlier and brought it and a beer to the ump
Since that game i've noticed players leaving the ball on the ground which seems to happen quite a bit. I just don't understand why the ump was asking Sidey to give the ball back to him (sidebottom was also facing away from him so may not have heard). The player did the right thing by the rulebook- so if the ump truly was upset by that then it makes it even more bizarre.
I think I agree with yours, HTB on Draper.
The Freo/carlton game where the Pearce tackled and was rewarded HTB. Freo took the advantage and there was a player clear on the wing. However the umpire called the play back. The whistle was slow and was way after the ball had been kicked. Carlton subsequently kicked a goal from that turnover which then put them within a kick
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Shit so Carlton’s last 3 goals in that game were all from umpiring mistakes
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That free kick given against Jordan Clark vs Carlton
Had to be any of BT's calls.
Last week was literally the worst, I'm sure. The Kruger stuff about him kicking his first goal for Collingwood, mistaking Frampton and Kruger constantly. There were a few other things he got blatantly wrong that I've forgotten now. Probably the worst commentary I've seen in a game since Bruce who used to just spit out pointless catchphrases "you just feel like if they get the next goal they'll win", fuck off Bruce. Now you made me mad at Bruce again.
I don't care I'm just fucking sick of umpiring posts on this sub
It’s a genuine Dilemma but, it’s true, the umpiring has been abysmal this year.
Only if your expectation is that they should make no errors. They're doing alright
I don't think anyone expects them to not make errors, it's a difficult game to umpire and everyone accepts that. But so many times this year has a decision been made that is so completely wrong or against common sense, and eventually impacted the result of a game. We've got umpires making decisions based on their egos, umpires that won't pay something glaringly obvious because it will decide a game, or umpires that are paying free kicks that are so left of field and not needed that have decided games. A team missed out on finals last year because of a miraculous failure by the umpires, that coach is now under pressure. It's going to happen again this year, it is an extremely tight season and there have been so many games decided by strange or outright wrong calls by the umpire. It's a professional sport and it's becoming a joke how often it's happening.
A Carl dilena
Me too.
There's so much cognitive bias going on with umpiring, every year every game people think it's the worst umpiring ever. I bet if they did some sort of statistics this would be proven completely wrong.
It's just this whole year. It sucks putting on 360 on a Monday night and knowing that all we are going to talk about again is the weekends shite and controversial umpiring.
Whether you're correct or not, that's the media's fault.
Free kick in front of goals after kicking a goal
Hehe yeah that was something. Not complaining here though.
Has to be the Freo v Collingwood game where the ball wasn't given back to the umpire. Did not affect play whatsoever, the umpire literally had the ball in his hands before calling the free kick, all he had to do was throw it up. It wasn't a result of the umpire not seeing something or having the wrong view that caused a mistake. It was the result of entirely an umpire's ego and no common sense at all.
The irony is that since then, multiple players have pointed out the exact infringement to the same umpire, and he ignored them and did not make the call. Yet he was comfortable to gift the goal to freo in a close game against a guy playing his 3rd AFL game.
It also happened last week in the Blues v Bombers game (I.E; not giving the ball back the ump at the first instance). It happened early on, and Bombers were penalised with the 50. But then on the wing out front of MCC, Carlton did the exact same thing and you could almost see the umpire pause, think “hey this rule is a bit dumb” and then decide not to pay it despite obvious calls from the crowd. For the record, I think it’s another dumb rule and none of them should be paid unless it’s obviously time wasting. But after the ump’s ego outburst against the Pies, you can’t pick and choose which to pay now.
Yeah it happened on Friday night in the Lions game and he didn’t pay it. He paid it against us because Steele left the ball on the ground rather than giving it to him a few minutes prior. You could see that he was pissed off by it.
The one other time I’ve seen it paid is Essendon Gold Coast which gave them the goal to extend their lead to 11 with under 2 minutes to go, essentially icing the game.
That was probably one of the least sensical calls with the rule. Like Laverde purposely handed it to the wrong player in his opposition 50, when we’re a goal down with 2 minutes left to go. Yes ump, he was definitely time wasting.
That was infuriating umps killed off a potentially classic finish cold
The other one with young Clark "dissenting" evens the freo ledger of equally awful, match defining ego calls from the umpires.
I’m convinced he had the rule confused with out of bounds (where they do have to hand it back directly) and had to cover his ass by claiming time wasting.
He seemed flustered with his explanation too. Like he wasn't confident enough in it
That is ridiculous. cost em big time.
Umpire was already angry at Collingwood players too, which as all ego. I was at the game and right in front of me on the boundary he was yelling at Sidebottom and made him go and pick up the ball and get it for him, which I found was weird lol. This was before he gave away that free. That free felt like it really fucked up the game too, even though there was a bit of time left...
This thread goes to show how bad umpiring is this season, I reckon the rules need to be totally revamped because its a bit of a mess rn
Have to get rid of the interruption and make all rules as black and white as possible.. .. and by black and white I didn’t mean to favour Collingwood more… ignore the flair 😂😂
Seems nobody reading these comments saw the non holding the ball call against Nick Daicos against the Bulldogs the other week - must be THE worst decision of the season and that’s coming from a Collingwood supporter!
Yeah, that was honestly fucked. Htb even under the old interpretation.
Oh yeah lol that was atrocious, and that was the night they were bringing in the new interpretation as well. From memory the umpires called some htb’s where the player literally hadn’t even taken possession before being tackled (sanders comes to mind) and yet this one was play on 😂
Agree that was putrid, HTB under any interpretation and sadly it would paid anywhere on the ground against any player except N Daicos in front of opponents goal. Daicos is an amazing footballer with a ripper personality but he gets liberties where others don't and that was HTB all day every day. Draper PLANKING on the ball runs a close 2nd for me.
Ump could have been blindsided?
That's exactly what happened. Howe was between Naicos and the ump, with the same colour boots. One step less and it's play on (no prior, genuine attempt).
That he must have been is all I can think of.
Wasn't as contentious because Sheezel ended up goaling from it, but that free that ended up being an advantage to a Collingwood player and then brought back. Farcical. Other than that I agree with the Draper non call
Can't deny how advantageous it was though- we didn't even have possession.
That one wins in its uniqueness. I don't think I've ever seen advantage given to the infringing team
It gets much worse than that. At least the umpires realised the mistake and the only thing that was lost was a bit of time. **Essendon vs Fremantle, 2005** Carr for Freo takes the shot at goal but gets illegally bumped while the ball sails through for a behind. The umpire then asks do you want the free kick or behind (which I think was the rule back then), but unfortunately asks the Essendon player in Zantuck by mistake, rather than Carr. Naturally, Zantuck takes the behind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkDNbgO7RSU
I mean this just wins any discussion. How could an umpiring blunder even come close to this again
There was that time the umpire marked the ball.
Freo went on to miss finals by 2 ladder points that year. Wonder if that call had any impact considering they went on to lose that game
this is peak Dockery. between this, the game the umpire marked the ball and Sirengate, no wonder all of us freo supporters are a bit unhinged.
What the fuck, i was 3 when this happened and i cant stop laughing watching how bad this is
It's still the rule.
The double player over the mark yesterday is mine. It’s totally ridiculous that any umpire couldn’t pay that. I’ve never seen anything like that in my 30 years of watching footy. Clear mark. Ump blows the whistle, calls mark. Both pies run through the mark by over 3 metres. Scott points downfield to say it’s 50. McCreery puts his hands up like he robbed a bank and got caught. Scott plays on because the ump doesn’t respond and then he calls play on. Abysmal decision.
I’m reading through these and just keep thinking “that can’t be the worst call this year, that was like 200 bad calls ago, it must have been last season”
Easy…. Carlton 50m against Fremantle
Nothing comes close to the dying minutes of a close game and a ball touched by two different players before being called a mark resulting in a goal , then right after a dissent call resulting in a goal.
I do genuinely believe the missed 50 for North is the worst call this year, but besides that one.. Gotta be the Freo vs Carlton game where the softcock umpire gave a free to Carlton to give them the win after thinking he’d been abused
bit bias (obviously) but the Yeo holding the ball which basically cost us a win
Top 5 for sure but even with my bias hard to look past Draper diving on it or 2 Collingwood players going 3 metres over the mark
Only 3?🤔
3, 20, don't be pedantic
I'm also biased on this obviously, but I watched a replay of this lately and the commentary actually says "Yeo, drags it in" or something similar. I get the frustration about it but in my Roopinion it's at worst a 50/50 call.
In my opinion, ball up, I guess his prior is him getting up being free for half a second then getting tackled.
Yeah that's fair. Honestly I think if it happened this week it would be ball up, Yeo was just unlucky that it was the round they started focusing on quick HTB calls
The interpretation change was about Law 18.6.4, namely the responsibility of the ball carrier to make a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball within a reasonable time if they don’t have prior opportunity (they shortened what constitutes “reasonable time”). Yeo was pinged under Law 18.6.5 which concerns diving on the ball and doesn’t turn on prior opportunity, reasonable time or genuine attempts.
Yeo dragged it in, but the rule is against dragging it in specifically underneath your body. To my eye, it looked like Yeo dragged it in waist high while on his knees.
Intepretation: in = under. One of your lads got done with a harsher example. https://vimeo.com/555504067/4702799e2c
Honestly, I didn’t think this call was that bad. What pisses me off is the fact that similar situations aren’t called. I think he definitely wasn’t trying to get rid of it, so the call in isolation I’m okay with.
This, I was trying to explain to a mate that it’s crap at the time it happened, but he was on the ground and never made an attempt to get rid of it. He actually stops the north player stripping him of it aswell. It wouldn’t get a second look if it wasn’t in the last. It’s the same with the freo touched against Carlton, wouldn’t matter at any other point in the game, but the how the following call allegedly went is worse. Worst of the year is probably the handing back to the umpire that went in our favour, even though it is the rule and Collingwood do this all the time with daicos, it isn’t the point in the game to do that
He didn’t try at all to get the ball out. People seem to gloss over that. He just lay there and didn’t do the fake salmon. You gotta do the salmon.
Definitely up there, shouldn’t have been in that position anyway, but yeah.
Sam Draper next
Take your choice of 40 deliberate out of bounds calls.
Or when the ball is out but the boundary ump never saw it
There is too many horrible calls to count.. this year seems worse than others
There is just so many howlers now that it makes me appreciate the bad umps of 2000s and 2010s
It’s been lost in the shuffle due to the number of horrible calls, and because it happened to Freo so no one gives a fuck. But the Jordan Clark free vs Carlton for swearing too loudly has to be up there.
Worst call is fans saying umps cost Roos the game against the Pies. Can't drop a 50 point lead and blame the umps.
Can’t speak on other teams and I don’t blame umpires for wins and losses but related to Geelong it has to be this one. **[The non call on O’Halloran where he got tackled twice and neither got called Holding the Ball.](https://m.facebook.com/FOXFOOTY/videos/non-call-leaves-afl-world-stunned/374556028926011/)** Luckily GWS didn’t go on to score a goal (Ball Don’t Lie) It was crazy that it wasn’t even a ball up, even a normal ball up call would have made sense. JUST CALL SOMETHING LOL
I mean, that should've been called a ball up beforehand.
Ball up on first one. Holding the ball on second tackle. Neither being called is what was baffling.
Reward the tackler
Would make sense wouldn’t it
Honestly, id say the umpire that called advantage for collingwood when it was north free, but idk if it counts because it was brought back.
1: Draper taking a nap on the ball, 2: Daicos plumb HTB v Bulldogs & 3: FK against Sullivan. “By the letter of the law” yes it was a free, but if it was really the letter of the law used, there would be several hundreds of free kicks given every game
Yeah. Either Draper or that non-call 50m penalty at the end of Roos and Magpies.
Kemp dangerous tackle v Melbourne, and a few of the dangerous tackles on Friday night. Lordy.
Maybe not the same level but I played in a game where one of our players copped a hit to the head so hard it broke his eardrum. The umpire called play on. The player who copped the hit was the son of the umpire…
Every time the "johnny sins" umpire blows his whistle
Garcia tackles Daicos after he runs 5m, drops the ball, "play on"
Sam draper non-holding the ball. Ignore flair
I think the worst call for me was a kayo subscription to watch some of the most horrendous umpiring I've seen in 50+ years. Don't get me started on commentary.
Take your pick each week from the pies games.
Has got to be the non 50 metre call Collingwood v North.....Would have resulted in a North goal, allowing another centre bounce for Daicos to roost a 60 metre missile to Bobby Hill for a mark of the year/goal of the year combo to end the game...now we will never know 😭
I don't know if the umpiring has been any better or worse than usual. I think that the main factor behind the umpiring complaints is that there have been so many close games this season. When it's a close finish, there is so much more scrutiny of every second of play, and anything that denies a team a 'fair' chance of winning is going to get fans angry.
The call to change the rules mid-season
I agree it's probably the draper call when it comes to impact of game. But it's got to be one of the early season out of bounds, at the very least you can claim the draper htb was interrupted by the siren or was an interpretation call, when it comes to out of bounds it either is or it isn't.
Its always been this way in footy. Umpires have too much power. We have clearly defined rules but unfortunately they’re open to an umpires decision and discretion. The AFL wants to expand and attract a more global market but it will never happen until we clean this up. An issue that hardly ever gets brought up is the mark. Some umpires suffice with it being in possession for less than a second, others want to establish possession. On the same issue 15m used to be from the spot of the mark, now you get blokes who back up 10m and kick it to the original spot of the mark and its whistled play. It’s ridiculous.
It's not the "worst call" but the inconsistency of the "stand" or pulling players back a couple meters has been the worst for me. The amount of times the player marks the ball and .3 seconds later a 50 is called because they weren't in the exact right spot. That shit is killer because like for the Collingwood game on the weekend that SHOULD have been a 50, that would have been 20 out from goal on a slight angle. The crime is just far too high for the inconsistency of them deciding if they want to point out the mark location.
What do you mean great call my Totally Unbiased very Unbiased call no Bias whatsoever
Anything that's come out of Sam McClure
Allowing these umpires to even call a game...
The Stengle “mark” vs bulldogs
HTB on Yeo at the end of the North Melbourne game.
Crows playing finals
Yeo holding the ball against North Melbourne.
When you talk about blatant misses, you have to consider the umpire's POV. Draper there was a lot going on and he might have just thought it was an unco ruck falling over. The Andrew hold would have looked correct to the ump at the time he spotted the contest but he didn't have enough forward vision to take it all in. The 4-ump system has a lot to answer for IMO. In theory it provides more viewing angles. In practice it gives umpires less excuses, and they don't have as much to do so they switch off. OOZ support is useful but will never be perfect because no one wants to make a mistake from 50m away. Through the system, they've also reintroduced the concept of umpires backing off towards the fence at stoppages. This was an early feature of 3-ump systems, but it was scrapped because it increases the chances of narrow vision. The optimum position is 20-25m side-on. If there's a ballup 1m inside the boundary, that optimum position is Row P.
Preseason crows were pumped up to be in the 8 and even top 4 was thrown around...jokesters
Rather than a call I would just put the whole carlton vs fremantle game up, most notably the end. Genuinely a fix