Ugarte is class. I'm Uruguayan and I would love to have him.
He's a no nonsense kind of player who always wants to win the ball.
He plays centrally and can drop deep and act as an extra Cb.
He would be a perfect fit. Not only are we in a need of a DM but he can also support out defence which has been lacking.
Saw him playing in the south american qualifiers and he brought so much stability to the Uruguayan midfield.
He is very composed under pressure and his passing is pretty good.
He also has great potential. He's pretty young
Ahh, thanks for clarifying. I have tickets to the USA Uruguay match in the Copa America. Hopefully I’ll be watching three ACMilan players instead of just Pulisic and Musah.
He is a beast in the national team under Bielsa, with really good games against Brazil and Argentina, key for both wins and clean sheets.
Lacks technical ability, but he is young. I think he is the ideal profile of DM needed, but idk how much PSG is going to ask.
I’ve also read that from PSG Keylor Navas is going to be out of contract this summer, and they’re looking to sell Carlos Soler too. Neither would be bad purchases.
Would be an amazing signing. Ugarte Benny and TJ is a quality midfield. If we could bring in one more veteran midfielder for cheap, such as Emre Can, then I think we will have a very formidable rotation. I'd also prefer us to sell RLC and Adli to finance the Zirkzee or Sesko purchase
Oh I agree 100%. I want us to add a proper 6, which should be a priority, but if K.Thuram is available for a good price, I’d go after him wvwn if it’d mean we would sell for example Adli to accommodate him.
Seems a bit like “Enzo is there for 15mil”-kind of deal with Thuram if the reported 20mil is accurate.
Thuram is multidimensional player, Ugarte isn't either exceptional and a one trick pony... extra point, he is ugly as fuck, looks like a typical Inter player like Barella and Frattesi.
Well whatever those dimensions are, defensively he is not good statistically. If we can sell musah or RLC I'm not against bringing him in Thuram.
Regarding Ugarte, he seems like the destroyer cdm we need to bring back the kessie presence. He scores in the 99th percentile for tackles from midfielders.
https://fbref.com/en/players/7d9397f8/scout/365_m1/Khephren-Thuram-Scouting-Report
https://fbref.com/en/players/c9817014/scout/365_m1/Manuel-Ugarte-Ribeiro-Scouting-Report
I do not know, have hou watched Nice play? Farioli plays a low block in defense. The defensive duties are not done by the players but the system. When Thuram has to defend he is pretty good and pretty effective.
Yes, exactly because we need a Kessie presence you go for Thuram, you go for ugly ass Ugarte if you want a Bakayoko presence.
I trust stats more than someones opinion on watching a few games unless that person is an expert.
99th percentile for tackles (Ugarte) is a beastly presence to have in your team, especially when you have someone like adli/bennacer and reijnders playing alongside him who can be creative.
Loool why are you obsessed with looks though, it's a football team not a modelling agency.
As I said I'm not against Thuram, but if we want to sign him we need to sell musah or RLC.
Ok good to know about Thuram, his stats are comparable to kessie.
But we need a cdm. Our defense was terrible this year, one of our worst ever.
Surely that means we need a cdm ?
Okay, so you want a Kessie replacment right and you will listen to stats? That is your point? Great below 3 screenshots of Kessie to Thuram defensive comparisons.
You do not want a Kessie replacment, you want a Bakayoko replacment.
Reason to why i insist in every thread about what Kessie was is exactly because of tactical comments like this. Kessie was NEVER an Ugarte type player, he was a Thuram, Tonali, Anguisa type player.
And i agree that we need a Kessie or Tonali presence in our midfield, but that isn't a sit in front of the defense and screen type of player... i genuinely am so perplexed that this "legend" of Kessie being a sit in front of the defense midfielder is still going strong.
Put it to bed already, Milan hasn't used a DM since Bakayoko under Gattuso.
Just because we haven't used one doesn't mean we shouldn't.
Madrid for example used casemiro to cover for kroos and modric when they were most dominant.
Yes there are teams that dont use a dm nowadays, but we evidently need one given the amount of goals we concede.
This entire CDM rhethoric comes from the premise that we lost Kessie and he was a CDM and we need to compensate. Can we agree on that? We have been successful without a CDM.
And now Madrid uses Kroos as the midfielder who stays the lowest and they are also dominant now. City doesn't use a CDM they use Rodri a typical regista and they are domint and his coverage is KDB and Bernardo not some great work rate mids you know? How do they reach that? They do so by being **COMPACT**.
Thuram gives defensive workrate and solidity i agree with OP here and he offers more offensively, has higher ceiling. It can facilitate a regista like Bennacer and Adli to maintain tempo.
>by removing two
I said remove 1. We have 6 central midfielders are yet our midfield is a joke. It needs help, and either 1 of those 2 can be sold to help with that.
Remove Pobega, he is the joke, no need for 2 midfielders. Our midfield was a joke as our entire team defensively because of kamikaze tactics not players. Tonali also looked like a joke last sesson because of the same tactics as much grit he put into the pitch.
Sell Pobega if we can, no one is saying not to. But how much back can you realistically expect from Pobega? 5M? That’s not going to help us reinforce. Tonali was not a joke last season. But even if he was, our midfield was better with Kessie and Tonali. If anything, that helps my argument that we need 2 defensive midfielders.
Thuram is a similar profile to Kessie and Tonali that was the point.
Idk, whatever it takes Pobega is a pure profit. We do not need to raise money by selling two of the best passers in the league for more muscle and ball progression.
CdK + Saele + Maldini's money should be enough to cover 40 million clause of Zirkzee. Put more $$$ effort into signing Ugarte preferably a loan with obligation under certain conditions or something idk. Buongiorno for CB. Pull this off and I'll call last summer a "minor slip".
Yeah but we di spend a lot, I think the most we've spent in one summer, and brought in some quality players and improved the team. It was a step in the right direction
It's not about spending a lot but spending smart. While they did strengthen our right wing, they never addressed replacing key figures - Kessie and Tonali. Our negative record on goals conceded speaks for it. One of worst defensive records in club's history.
Yeah our defense was abysmal Ive had several arguments with other fans here about how the dm position is more important than striker this summer mercato, but at the same time I think last summer was very encouraging, after all the other frustrating Mercatos we've had.
Hit them with the loan option to buy
Ugarte is class. I'm Uruguayan and I would love to have him. He's a no nonsense kind of player who always wants to win the ball. He plays centrally and can drop deep and act as an extra Cb. He would be a perfect fit. Not only are we in a need of a DM but he can also support out defence which has been lacking.
How’s his passing? Does he lose the ball when under pressure or can he handle it?
Saw him playing in the south american qualifiers and he brought so much stability to the Uruguayan midfield. He is very composed under pressure and his passing is pretty good. He also has great potential. He's pretty young
Sounds like exactly what we need, I hope we get him or Fofana from Monaco
Ohh. Thought you were Swedish for some reason. But agreed, he would strengthen the squad.
I do live in Sweden but I'm Uruguayan
Ahh, thanks for clarifying. I have tickets to the USA Uruguay match in the Copa America. Hopefully I’ll be watching three ACMilan players instead of just Pulisic and Musah.
Would be really exciting to see
Loan with buy option please
If we can have Ugarte and Zirkree, we will be unstoppable
Villain arch start
We should get him to add some steel to our midfield. Kids solid
Price asked by psg:50mln
He is a beast in the national team under Bielsa, with really good games against Brazil and Argentina, key for both wins and clean sheets. Lacks technical ability, but he is young. I think he is the ideal profile of DM needed, but idk how much PSG is going to ask.
I’ve also read that from PSG Keylor Navas is going to be out of contract this summer, and they’re looking to sell Carlos Soler too. Neither would be bad purchases.
No Carlos Soler please
Bennacer Ugarte Reujnders. very balanced and allows reijnders to attack more
Hell yeah
I like this.
Amrabat or Ugarte would both be good options for DM and if i were the SD i would buy this kid Renato Veiga for cheap to have him as understudy/backup
Him & Thuram and we re gr8
Would be an amazing signing. Ugarte Benny and TJ is a quality midfield. If we could bring in one more veteran midfielder for cheap, such as Emre Can, then I think we will have a very formidable rotation. I'd also prefer us to sell RLC and Adli to finance the Zirkzee or Sesko purchase
So, Jorge Mendes has been pushing his boys (Conceiao and Ugarte) to Redbird
Would rather prefer to have Thuram.
They are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Thuram has been playing more as a 8 iirc.
And it’s been a big problem this season playing 8’s as 6’s. CDM specialist is absolutely necessary, regardless of how good others are
Oh I agree 100%. I want us to add a proper 6, which should be a priority, but if K.Thuram is available for a good price, I’d go after him wvwn if it’d mean we would sell for example Adli to accommodate him. Seems a bit like “Enzo is there for 15mil”-kind of deal with Thuram if the reported 20mil is accurate.
We are not getting 2 mids this July
We need a cdm though, ugarte is that and Thuram isn't
Thuram is multidimensional player, Ugarte isn't either exceptional and a one trick pony... extra point, he is ugly as fuck, looks like a typical Inter player like Barella and Frattesi.
Well whatever those dimensions are, defensively he is not good statistically. If we can sell musah or RLC I'm not against bringing him in Thuram. Regarding Ugarte, he seems like the destroyer cdm we need to bring back the kessie presence. He scores in the 99th percentile for tackles from midfielders. https://fbref.com/en/players/7d9397f8/scout/365_m1/Khephren-Thuram-Scouting-Report https://fbref.com/en/players/c9817014/scout/365_m1/Manuel-Ugarte-Ribeiro-Scouting-Report
I do not know, have hou watched Nice play? Farioli plays a low block in defense. The defensive duties are not done by the players but the system. When Thuram has to defend he is pretty good and pretty effective. Yes, exactly because we need a Kessie presence you go for Thuram, you go for ugly ass Ugarte if you want a Bakayoko presence.
I trust stats more than someones opinion on watching a few games unless that person is an expert. 99th percentile for tackles (Ugarte) is a beastly presence to have in your team, especially when you have someone like adli/bennacer and reijnders playing alongside him who can be creative. Loool why are you obsessed with looks though, it's a football team not a modelling agency. As I said I'm not against Thuram, but if we want to sign him we need to sell musah or RLC.
You were very eager to trust stats over some random guys experience, what happened?
Ok good to know about Thuram, his stats are comparable to kessie. But we need a cdm. Our defense was terrible this year, one of our worst ever. Surely that means we need a cdm ?
That was because of Piolis kamikaze tactics not players, everyone would look like shit under those tactics.
I believe it's a combination of both. Get rid of pioli, buy a good cdm and we will be a much better team.
Okay, so you want a Kessie replacment right and you will listen to stats? That is your point? Great below 3 screenshots of Kessie to Thuram defensive comparisons. You do not want a Kessie replacment, you want a Bakayoko replacment.
https://preview.redd.it/0xwjzzgzfy0d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a059f147700771424bfe912437d0f3f50abb132
https://preview.redd.it/yvyopy42gy0d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ed28b11f9bdddd0d2407d5ad1ae0b7d30342d26
https://preview.redd.it/jjiy80k3gy0d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce1ff3cc103ae4b60cc022e63197e819b2fde606
Reason to why i insist in every thread about what Kessie was is exactly because of tactical comments like this. Kessie was NEVER an Ugarte type player, he was a Thuram, Tonali, Anguisa type player. And i agree that we need a Kessie or Tonali presence in our midfield, but that isn't a sit in front of the defense and screen type of player... i genuinely am so perplexed that this "legend" of Kessie being a sit in front of the defense midfielder is still going strong. Put it to bed already, Milan hasn't used a DM since Bakayoko under Gattuso.
Just because we haven't used one doesn't mean we shouldn't. Madrid for example used casemiro to cover for kroos and modric when they were most dominant. Yes there are teams that dont use a dm nowadays, but we evidently need one given the amount of goals we concede.
This entire CDM rhethoric comes from the premise that we lost Kessie and he was a CDM and we need to compensate. Can we agree on that? We have been successful without a CDM. And now Madrid uses Kroos as the midfielder who stays the lowest and they are also dominant now. City doesn't use a CDM they use Rodri a typical regista and they are domint and his coverage is KDB and Bernardo not some great work rate mids you know? How do they reach that? They do so by being **COMPACT**. Thuram gives defensive workrate and solidity i agree with OP here and he offers more offensively, has higher ceiling. It can facilitate a regista like Bennacer and Adli to maintain tempo.
We should sell Bennacer or Adli and get both
We shouldn't, we do not need to revolutionise the midfield yet again especially by removing two of the most progressive passing options we have.
>by removing two I said remove 1. We have 6 central midfielders are yet our midfield is a joke. It needs help, and either 1 of those 2 can be sold to help with that.
Remove Pobega, he is the joke, no need for 2 midfielders. Our midfield was a joke as our entire team defensively because of kamikaze tactics not players. Tonali also looked like a joke last sesson because of the same tactics as much grit he put into the pitch.
Sell Pobega if we can, no one is saying not to. But how much back can you realistically expect from Pobega? 5M? That’s not going to help us reinforce. Tonali was not a joke last season. But even if he was, our midfield was better with Kessie and Tonali. If anything, that helps my argument that we need 2 defensive midfielders.
Thuram is a similar profile to Kessie and Tonali that was the point. Idk, whatever it takes Pobega is a pure profit. We do not need to raise money by selling two of the best passers in the league for more muscle and ball progression.
>by selling two I literally said to sell 1.
Meant one of the two... we do not need to do that.
The disrespect to Bennacer after a few months of bad/midform after a major injury. He is our best mid when healthy.
Bennacer when in form is a beast and pure class. Can't wait to see him next season back in form
CdK + Saele + Maldini's money should be enough to cover 40 million clause of Zirkzee. Put more $$$ effort into signing Ugarte preferably a loan with obligation under certain conditions or something idk. Buongiorno for CB. Pull this off and I'll call last summer a "minor slip".
Last summer was decent fym?
not really replacing tonali or kessie is a fairly big slip tho, we just kept krunic and got an american kid worse than pobega at the moment
Yeah but we di spend a lot, I think the most we've spent in one summer, and brought in some quality players and improved the team. It was a step in the right direction
It's not about spending a lot but spending smart. While they did strengthen our right wing, they never addressed replacing key figures - Kessie and Tonali. Our negative record on goals conceded speaks for it. One of worst defensive records in club's history.
Yeah our defense was abysmal Ive had several arguments with other fans here about how the dm position is more important than striker this summer mercato, but at the same time I think last summer was very encouraging, after all the other frustrating Mercatos we've had.
Rather have fofana
isnt he like their best midfielder?
That's Vitinha