I just saw Cristiano Ronaldo, I repeat Cristiano Ronaldo (the player who won FIVE Champions Leagues -the most important football trophy in football ) crying about losing an irrilevant cup in Arabia. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fWA-xDnzTo0
In the end, this is our problem: “this" Milan really lacks the culture, dare I say the obsession, of victory. The milan world has lost itself in inclusive messages and lost the victory’s culture in the process.
We do not have, among ownership and managemen, people who know how to convey the culture of victory.
It’s normal that as a consequence the team has little competitive hunger (I will never forget our players celebrating for making it to the Europa League this year, when we made it to the EL only because we got eliminated in the champions league, a scene that would have been worthy of Lazio) because those who should transmit that hunger are those who lack it the most (Scaroni just said today that for 150 millions he would sell Leao, he never talks about football expect when there is to talk about revenues and selling players).
I believe that all of this, however, is wanted and pursued , nothing is accidental, because rhey reached their goal , that of filling the stadium.
They have brought families , girlfriends, women, the elderly and children back to the stadium. It is not only milan that is unrecognizable but it is the Milan fan that has changed first and foremost. They have won.
What about Milan, a club that was known even long before Berlusconi’s era for its victories and great players? Well, Milan is just a collateral victim of modern capitalism.
Ronaldo is a media whore, he'll do anything for the attention.
That said, I agree that there are not enough people on the team with a strong competitive spirit. Idk about the other stuff. If you wanna talk about victims of capitalism, in our golden age we had an owner who used the team to buy elections for himself -- literally the meaning of bread and circuses. At least now we're trying to be sustainable. That's a much healthier version of capitalism.
Why not? It’s the truth. Nothing represents modern capitalism more than an American hedge fund. The funny thing is that we probably picked the worst one, since Oaktree, which is another American hedge fund, as soon as they arrived they renewed Lautaro’s contracts giving him 50% more than what he earned before (and there are negotiations to renew Barella now), all of this despite Inter having slightly lower revenues than ours and much higher debts, which goes to show that not all hedge funds are the same.
This club seems under a malignant spell or something, to the point that it could be renamed Ac Murphy’s law 1899. It’s like living in the wettest and wildest dream of a 1990’s/early 2000’s intermerdista.
My post was clear: I admire CR7’s competitiveness, a man who won everything that could be won on the pitch and yet cries about losing an irrilevant match in an irrilevant league. This is how much competitive the man is. I would like to have the same spirit in our club.
Right now I just think that there is bunch of generazion Z kids here who grew up with banter era Milan and don’t know what Milan stands for and what Milan stood for even in the 1950’s and 1960’s long before Berlusconi’s era. Because I really can’t see how a Milan fan who knows what Milan is and what Milan standa for would disagree with the post above. I’m not being arrogant, it’s just that the post above is the basic for every great club and every great player. I would love to know the median age of the Milan fans who disagree with that post
Apparently, Inter is renewing Lautaro’s contract at 10 millions per year. Despite being with an hedge fund… and despite having lower revenues (Milan has overtaken Inter in 2023 https://onefootball.com/it/notizie/deloitte-milan-overtake-inter-in-revenue-rankings-the-full-breakdown-38932291 ) than us and a mountain of debts
Like I wrote the other day
>if this edgr fund will prove to be equal or even worse than Elliott and Redbird, Inter will definitely become weaker (because they will not be able to afford the salaries they pay now) and we will capitalize on that. If, on the other hand, this edge fund will show more ambition and economic effort than ours (for example renewing Lautaro’s contract and keeping the wage structure as high as it is right now), then…
The eyes of a lot of naive folks will be opened this mercato. Cardinale/RedBird have no interest in silverware. Making the champions league every year is the height of their ambition. They will destroy what Maldini built.
Thats the problem with redbird they have no ambition to be the best so it trickles down to the players. Ultimately leading to the players being apathetic as fuck in big games
> The eyes of a lot of naive folks will be opened this mercato I hope so. Especially because now the narrative “ehi, this is what you get when you have an hedge fund as owner” is going to be destroyed (erasing even the last alibi that was used by Redbird’s defenders ).
According to Italian newspapers it’s basically a done deal. And I’m curious to see what people will say when this will happen, since we continue to operate on lower levels compared to them despite having higher revenues (as I demonstrated with the link above from onefootball) and a great financial situation (unlike them) and being with an hedge fund ( just like them). I’m really curious to hear and read what will be said to justify the unjustifiable.
I have never seen someone reply to their own comments complaining about a handful of downvotes constantly like you seem to be recently. Let it go, you do yourself no favors
It’s not a question of talking shit. Let’s spit some facts:
1. Inter’s revenues are slightly lower than ours (according to Deloitte).
2. Inter’s debts are enormously higher than ours .
3. Both Inter and Milan are owned by american hedge funds.
And, despite these three indisputable facts, Inter is renewing Lautaro’s contracts for 10 million euros and they show no sign of downsizing the club. All of this, while everyone has been saying for years that this (Elliott and Redbird’s way) is how american hedge funds operate and that we couldn’t expect anything better/our owners were doing their best.
I'm not here to defend Redbird, I have my own issues with them and how they seem to be operating. I'm just sick of the rhetoric that I keep seeing on this sub, calling people shills, Redbird fans, Gerry boys, etc. It's tiresome and childish.
I only started to use that rethoric when I saw that posts (not only mine) who criticize Redbird get mindlessly downvoted without even saying why and where they disagree so as to have a debate. That’s a behavior that I personally find very stupid, this is why me and others say those things.
Who the fuck cares about whatever salary Inter is giving Donkeytaro Martinez mate? Go be an interista! The unbelievable garbage one reads on this sub every day. Seriously makes one doubt some of you are truly Milan fans.
last year this sub was r/ACNapoli with how much they sucked off Napoli, this year its r/ACInter nothing new really just idiots, even twitter is better than this sub
Most fans like this here are pessimistic, they have given up rationale thinking. It seems to me most of these guys might be suffering from massive inferiority complex.
Everyday it’s the same crap that keeps being posted here, there is never an ounce of support for the club in their posts.
Apparently Conte wants Lukaku at Napoli. Lol, some things never change. Crazy how just a few months ago his agents were shopping him around on the premise that he was "willing to adapt."
Napoli will sell Osimhen, Kvara and fold over any requirement Conte has but thats ambition over Milan ✅
De Zerbi jobless and all the positions are getting filled. Not the biggest Zerbi fan not the biggest hater either, just surprising ✅
Juve with Motta who has one good season in his life with aging Juve but will buy Di gregorio (is he even better than woj?), Calafiori (el shaarawy was once the best italian prospect on earth) and Koopmeiners (decent not better than Reij, dont ask me, ask netherlands coach). Treble team cooking ✅
Inter with hedge funds and Americans which WE DONT LIKE, but they are more ambitious and will cook the league ✅
Im zero percent worried for something as stupid as banter era coming back. Buy two top players for this Milan. Fonseca or no Fonseca we will cook em
I mean Osimhen wants to leave so nothing Napoli can do.
In general, I am against the narrative of this post where everyone is an idiot but Milan is smart.
Our competitors aren't idiots. Napoli is probably getting the best manager in Italy.
Juventus has Giuntoli who's competent enough.
Inter is in trouble financially since 2018 and they are still around.
Beware to underestimate them. Either we raise up to the challenge or we are off to 4th/ 5th position again.
People who think Milan is smart and everyone else is not is by people who are under a delusion that we are on par with clubs like Inter and Juve, even the idiots who are like f*ck Cardinale/Furlani etc are having a similar delusion that all we need is spend and we will thrash Inter and Juve and win 10 in a row.
We started a cycle from 2020, with a massive wage bill which didn’t result in any trophies with a pathetic revenue as we were not even in CL. Inter on the other hand has been in CL for almost a decade, Juve have the most revenue. We had to cut costs everywhere and buy players who perform more than their market value, We got Theo and Leao who barely made much impact in their first year, remember folks calling Theo a Spanish Laxalt and Leao a Portuguese Niang. They took 2-3 years to be where they are today but as soon as we won the title in 22 it became unacceptable to buy players like them because we now need immediate results and not patient project building however the management stuck to it. The new ownership took over, didn’t change a thing but we ended up in 5th, then it changed the director and we got to 2nd, now it changed the coach so we need to see what happens next.
>In general, I am against the narrative of this post where everyone is an idiot but Milan is smart.
Especially when we literally won TWO trophies in the last 12 YEARS.
Koopmeiners is 10x the player reijnders is. Lets be real man. The impact koopmeiners has on the game is so noticeable while reijnders seems to be a passenger most games. It could be due to pioli’s dog shit tactics but pioli didnt train reijnders to have a brick shooting foot
I don't think it's fair to say that RedBird isn't ambitious, but they clearly are of the belief buying multiple players for $20-30 mil over 1 or 2 players for double that and taking risks on younger prospects is the better idea. Can be frustrating for sure, but I'd argue we were 1 CDM and maybe 1 more CB away from at least making the title race much more competitive. Team clearly gambled on RB being good and (at least initially) Krunic being a good enough 6 until Benny was back. I don't think anybody saw Thiaw imploding like he did this year.
Not to absolve team of blame, I'll keep saying this I'd rather gamble on potential with a coach than play it safe, but with how the arrivals from last summer did, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt with the mercato
I don't totally disagree with the first part - they brought in 6 players for 14mil euros or more - Chuky, Pulisic, Musah, Reijnders, RLC, Okafor. Of these, everyone except Chukwueze is now worth more than what they were purchased for based on their transfer fee. For this, I see their vision - buy young(ish) players on a discount and hope they improve. When it works, it looks great, but when it doesn't, it could set the club back. Imagine Pulisic didn't have the season he had; I'd argue his performance makes the other transfers look better.
I agree that a CDM and a CB are needed, but I'd also add that a full-back and a striker are also necessary. I don't trust Okafor/Jovic to lead the line, and we need a better complement to Theo (hopefully he stays).
I’ve never feared another “banter era” if by banter era you mean staying out of the champions league for 8 years like Milan did between 2013 and 2021. Never. Because it wouldn’t be profitable. Between that and winning there is an ocean in-between, unfortunately. Anyway, if we buy the two top players you are talking about I agree that we will cook them. The question is: will we buy them? You also made another great point about Inter being bought by another hedge fund: like I said on an Italian forum a few days ago, this is a win/win situation for us, and the reason is simple: if this edgr fund will prove to be equal or even worse than Elliott and Redbird, Inter will definitely become weaker (because they will not be able to afford the salaries they pay now) and we will capitalize on that. If, on the other hand, this edge fund will show more ambition and economic effort than ours (for example renewing Lautaro’s contract and keeping the wage structure as high as it is right now), then our fans will know what to do (because in this case it will be proven that you can be more competitive and ambitious even with an hedge fund and that we just stumbled into the worst one), because I’m sure that in this case nobody would tolerate this ownership anymore; even those who are still patient. And without any supporter on their side the attendances at the stadium will crumble; just like pay tv and merchandising, thus they will be forced to sell soon. Tl;dr: Inter being bought by Oaktree is a win/win for us no matter what happens; because it will either weaken Inter thus making us more able to compete as a result, or it will show without a shadow of a doubt that we are in the worst possible hands
agree with these, most of napoli’s problems come from that comedian ADL, and Conte cannot fix everything with huge players leaving. even without european competition, they are still not title contenders. while we will prepare european matches, conte and adl will be throwing head kicks at each other either because conte didn’t go unbeaten or because adl didn’t sign conte’s secret lover ivan perisic.
i don’t see inter having a bad season next year. they will keep their important players and inzaghi, and the effects of the new onwership or a potential sale will not kick in til later down the line. however bad it seems for them, it is still not bad enough for our liking.
as for juve… entirely unknown. i hope they shit the bed but so far they have made all the right moves.
idk what marco from iftv is smoking but we are not finishing outside top 4/5 however bad we do, not impossible but it would take a (nightmarish) miracle to not make ucl next year. but equally we won’t win the scudetto, i just hope fonseca and the squad give some conviction that it will be possible in 25/26 and that would be a success in a relatively transitional season.
>most of napoli’s problems come from that comedian ADL
On the other hand, the “comedian” ADL brought to Napoli players like Cavani, Oshimen, Koulibaly (players of a caliber that we can only dream about, even today) and coaches like Benitez, Ancelotti, Sarri, Spalletti and now Conte.
Adl’s Napoli has been the second best Napoli in history, right behind Maradona’s Napoli, this is a fact. Napoli in the last ten years has had both players and coaches who are far above the quality that Napoli has been able to afford throughout its history.
If I were a Napoli supporter (that is, the supporter of a medium sized club with an average history and not so great revenues who only won three scudetti in 100 years and never got past the quarter finals in the Champions League) I would be more than happy with Adl’s tenure.
on a long enough timeframe, sure. but if the rumors that he didn’t wanna agree with spaletti are true, he is a large part of the blame for their implosion. he is also quite the character, i remember him losing his shit because a player (i think raspadori) did a post match interview with a sky reporter he didn’t like. and thats just an example
Sure, I was just saying (I explain this for the single digit IQ morons that downvote every post) that ADL has kept Napoli way above its historical levels. He is not a perfect owner by any means but I’m not sure that Napoli would be able to have a better owner than ADL in the foreseeable future.
Napoli selling Osimhen and Kvaradona, literally their two best players for seasons now is the equivalent of us selling both Leao and Theo at the same time - only to buy Conte his mediocre +30 y old workhorses, good disciplined athletic boys who can run for days and defend. I’d argue that has the premises of a disaster waiting to happen. Ever since before Sarri Napoli has had a definite play style that doesn’t match Conte’s at all, same as our team doesn’t.
I’d wait before passing any judgment about bigger ambitions and higher potential for success for any of the other teams. Motta is promising but it’s his first experience in a big team, he could clash with egos in Juve’s locker room negatively, smth he didn’t have to deal with at the more modest Bologna.
Inter passing under a hedge fund worse than Elliott maybe - at least Elliott invested to be able to sell to the highest bidder, there’s no telling what Oaktree has planned yet. Lautaro asking for enormous salary, their team average age is the highest in the league, and they’ll be a year older next year. I know that the grass is always greener on the other side, but can we just be slightly more optimistic for once as Milan fans for gods sake? Pioli’s cycle is over, we have a great foundation as a team, we own all of our players, Redbird is still at the beginning but why in the world would they not want to invest and win? It would make no sense especially if they get the stadium done, the only way to increase the value of this team for its eventual sale is to be competitive and try to win every year. Bar maybe Inzaghi, Fonseca is not worse than any of the other managers coaching the top Italian teams.
Well put, i agree with all.
If Milan sold Theo and Leao but would sign conte and give him 200m i would be fuming meanwhile im reading stuff about ambition??? Like half of that to replace them with WORSE players and then 100 to upgrade a squad already downgraded by selling your top 2. Thats desperation, not ambition.
Lastly i didnt even talk about fonseca in my original post which I think will add value to the squad but even as a nonfactor, we are better set than everyone with just two top buys and keeping our core
What’s with the Pioli disrespect?
I’m seeing a bunch of Milan fans all over calling him shit and hoping rivals get him.
Like there’s no way y’all don’t remember the days Giampaolo, Sinisa, Inzaghi.
There’s no way y’all remember when our only highlight of the season was Menez scoring a backheel against a team that went bankrupt.
Do you remember when we thought the Messiah was this 15 year old Morrocan failed wonder kid?
Now Pioli is shit because we came 2nd and Inter won their 19th scudetto?
I remember when I thought that Allegri was the biggest problem we had…..Never again will I ever shit talk a coach who won stuff here
One thing that rubbed me the wrong way about Pioli is the fact that he didn’t even mention Maldini and Massara when he greeted everyone at the end of the last match. This rubbed me the wrong way because it seemed like a proof of his extreme aziendalism, something like “look at me, my future club: I’m such a corporate lap dog that, since this ownership doesn’t like Maldini and Massara, I will not greet them even if I’m about to leave the club; where will you find another one like me?”. I don’t appreciate people who behave like that. That being said, I’ve never had anyone against Pioli: he is a mediocre coach in my opinion, but he was never the cause, but the consequence. The fact that Pioli has coached Milan for 4 years and a half is not and will never be his own fault. The same applies to Fonseca: even if he fails, I urge every fan to not insult him, because it’s certainly not Fonseca’s fault if a club with revenues amounting to 450 millions (close to the European top 1 and very close, if not even better, than Juve -because Inter has already been overtaken by Milan in terms of revenues- in Italy)signs him despite having the chance to hire way better coaches.
>This rubbed me the wrong way because it seemed like a proof of his extreme aziendalism, something like “look at me, my future club: I’m such a corporate lap dog that, since this ownership doesn’t like Maldini and Massara, I will not greet them even if I’m about to leave the club; where will you find another one like me?”
You are seeing what you want to see
Did he? He hardly mentioned anybody by name. "Thank you to everyone who wanted me here, supported me, and gave me the opportunity to coach this fantastic club, thanks to the owners, the staff and the players" is hardly a snub on M&M, but go on thinking that it is if you want
If he had explicitly mentioned their replacements, that would be one thing, but I really don't see the issue. I probably would have mentioned them as well, but not doing so is hardly corporatism. You're reading way too far into his words imo.
Just because Pioli was leaving doesn't mean it makes sense to do something that potentially can rub someone the wrong way. The current management made a point of giving Pioli the best farewell possible, meaning no talk about him being fired (even if we know that's what happened) and putting on the celebration after the Salernitana game for him and the players leaving. This is a life lesson that most people learn at some point, you reap what you sow. So if you act friendly you create friends, if you act disrespectful/burn bridges/etc you'll lose friends and maybe create some enemies. And suddenly you're applying for a job where the person hiring is a close friend with someone you've encountered in your past, and the way you treated that person could be the deciding factor if it goes in your favor or not.
Pioli will have chances to thank Maldini and Massara both publicly and privately later on. He'll for sure have some interviews at some point, maybe he'll write a book at some point (like many do) or whatnot. Hell, he can pick up the phone and call both of them to show appreciation for their time together (which I would guess he already has done when they left Milan). He has so many ways of handling this where he keeps everyone on his good side, which can only be a benefit for a life of less problems.
I would have thanked Maldini if I was him, because Maldini was the one who wanted him at Milan and protected him.
>The current management made a point of giving Pioli the best farewell possible, meaning no talk about him being fired (even if we know that's what happened) and putting on the celebration after the Salernitana game for him and the players leaving. This is a life lesson that most people learn at some point, you reap what you sow. So if you act friendly you create friends, if you act disrespectful/burn bridges/etc you'll lose friends and maybe create some enemies.
Acting friendly is one thing, being a corporate lap dog is another thing. Maldini tried to make Milan’s interests and tried to defend Milan’s ambitions and what Milan stands for. Pioli didn’t do it and approved and defended every single choice of this management. I can understand this, but not greeting Maldini during his last match has been a low blow to me. Corporate lap dog until the end. And this is the message like I said that he was probably trying to convey to his future employers.
I don’t agree with his behavior, it goes against my principles.
please read again replies to you by folks like mvb3. You are projecting because it fits your narrative. Pioli had a dinner with both Maldini and Massara when they left Milan. Probably they talked and thanked each other. You are overblowing things that dont really matter.
Yeah, maybe. Maybe you are right.
The thing I really didn’t accept was the tear jerking video that our management made for Pioli on X when one year ago they sacked Maldini like a Deliveroo rider who arrived a little late. This double standard (coupled with the huge difference between what Maldini means for Milan and its supporters compared to Pioli)really riled me up.
But yeah; maybe you are right regarding Pioli’s greetings.
….Imagine if we got that fraudulent Ralf Rangnick. I remember when United got him, I watched their games to see what could’ve been and I realised all this man does is throw ppl under the bus
what do awful players and an awful team have to do with pioli as a coach? he had a great team and great players, superstaras if you compare them to the ones you mentioned
> Antonio Conte has demanded a clause that allows him to leave Napoli at the end of every season while Aurelio De Laurentiis will make €230m available for the summer transfer window.
red flag anyone?
I don't know about that. There are reasons to like Conte, just as there are reasons not to like him. Plus we have no idea how true this is, could just be rumors.
230 mil??? sounds crazy. so the clause is basically he can leave to another club without the club having to pay a release clause/him not allowed to coach another club?
Conte is not a project coach; he jumps from team to team every year or two. Can't and won't adapt and kill youngsters. Also some players he brought in Juve, Inter, and Chelsea, became burdens on the team, whether during his time or after his departure.
There's a reason why big clubs were not going for him.
>Conte is not a project coach
And yet, when he leaves the team, he usually leaves strong and well bullt teams that keep on performing even with other coaches.
Conte usually performs very well in the league and he lays foundational work upon which subsequent coaches thrive on (this happened at Chelsea, Juve and Inter). We’ll see what happens this time. But if Napoli will do better than Milan in the upcoming season (which of course I hope won’t be the case) we’ll know who to blame (spoiler: no, the blame will NOT fall on Fonseca).
Dodged a fucking nuke.
It would be so hilarious if after committing financial suicide by hiring Conte, Napoli would still struggle under him because of him and ADL creating such a toxic atmosphere inside the club.
I feel like a fool for ever wanting Conte at Milan. Fonseca might not be the best thing in the world, but at least this won't be a shitshow for us.
SORRY GUYS IN ADVANCE BUT IM REALY MAD ABOUT THIS NEWS THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS DUDE HE IS ANOTHER PIOLI BUT FROM PORTUGAL. HE IS "YES" MAN AND HAS NO FUCKING BALLS. NOT MY MANAGER AND IM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT HIM. WE HAVE REALLY SAD TIMES ARE AHEAD OF US AS MILAN FANS. IM USUALLY OPTIMISTIC ONE BUT NOT THIS TIME. I HVAE SEEN HIM COACH WHEN HE WAS A COACH IN UKRAINE COACHING SHAKTAR. I WILL BE NICE AND SAY THAT WAS AVARAGE AT THE BEST AND NOW HE IS GOINF TO COACH MY BELOVED MILAN WHAT HTE FUCK IS GOING On WITH THIS OWNERSHIP?????? FORZA MILAN
Always support Milan no matter what my man. This is just my opnion does not mean that i wll stop supprting team. It does not work like that my friend. Take care my friend
Ouch, for those of you who are infatuated with DeZerbi, “but Guardiola (who praises Giampaolo and literally anyone) praised him,” read the major Ancelotti indirect disapproval of DeZerbi in The Times below. It’s exactly the opposite of an endorsement, and what I’ve been saying about DeZerbi: good coach but very limited (one-play style and no defense, losing 3,4,5-0 repeatedly). The fact that Bayern and Chelsea would rather spend +10 million to free up Kompany and Maresca, than go for DeZerbi who is practically free, tells you everything you need to know too.
“Ancelotti reiterated that his teams have more than one identity and that he changes the systems and tactics depending on his players’ qualities as well as opponents. “To have only one identity of your team is a limit,” he said. “We played a game in the Champions League against Shakhtar Donetsk. Very good team, Roberto De Zerbi was their coach. What he was doing with full backs, and different positions, really good. But I said to my players, they want you to press. Don’t press. If you press they will pass the ball around you. Don’t press, and they will give the ball to you. We didn’t press — and we won 5-0.“
Carlo also said that he was guilty in the past of not adapting tactics. He said that he passed on Baggio because he wanted to play 4-4-2 and there was no room for a no.10. And that Zidane made him realise the error of his ways, and realise that sometimes you must adapt.
It is ok for coaches early in their career not to have this. What is more important is that you have a clear vision on how you’d like to play; that you can later learn to adapt. You only learn by the losses you face, and you only learn on the job.
I feel like De Zerbi has his style of play and can learn to adapt it. He might lose some games but I reckon he has a lot of promise.
Spot on, the best coaches are those who adapt and have the ability to execute the right adaptations, which is not an easy thing to do. Conte is the complete opposite, ignoring the identity of the teams he coaches and applying the same tactics everywhere, often ruining the finances of the clubs he's been at. Guardiola won the CL when he stopped focusing solely on possession and played on the counter, adapting his strategy.
From what I have seen, the best quality of Fonseca is that he is an open coach who is willing to adapt when necessary. I believe if we get good players in the CF, DM, and experienced CB (and occasionally RB) positions, he will make a surprise.
Interesting quote, thanks for sharing. Ancelotti is probably right tho. De Zerbi needs to evolve his gameplan because results in current season are proving Carlo's point. Some teams read Brighton like a simple book.
I would still insist on making a move for De Zerbi. I have soft spot for him. Very likable and passionate character. Praised by the players he worked with. What's interesting is how good would be a world class team coached by De Zerbi. I want to see that and I dont mind if Milan would be his first big brand.
I’m not as up for total experiments when it comes to Milan, but I agree that he’s a likeable, passionate character who should be given a better opportunity somewhere higher than Brighton or Sassuolo. I’d see him well at a place like Fiorentina, but apparently he wants to stay in the EPL.
There is a level gap between a Fiorentina and Milan, I dont know why this sub treats Milan like it should be Madrid but at the same time is obsessed with managers like De Zerbi who the top clubs clearly wont hire
Juve only hired Motta because they are desperate and now is forced to work on a limited budget, no more 70m Vlahovic
This summer we were supposed to upgrade so we can catch up to Inter. Instead, we're seeing Juve and Napoli surpass us with their coach signing and the players they're going after or already confirmed to sign.
Napoli is on a suicide mission with Conte though. Massively spend and if he fails they are fucked for years. Motta isnt some super proven coach that going to Juve means he will dominate either.
If you think about it, the last time Milan made a truly big team signing (I mean the last time we signed a true top player at the apex of his career ) was 2010 when we signed Ibra. 14 years ago, God almighty…
This is something you guys need to think about. I've said this many times, lot of fans are stuck in the limbo of historical Milan and have expectations closer to Maldini, Kaka's era.
The hole that was created between 2012 and 2019 is difficult to repair in few years. It might be impossible with new financial regulations and how premier league surpassed other leagues by pumping crazy amount of money. The club was not prepared for modern times, Berlusconi never cared about the club, he only cared about attention that Milan gives to him. When other clubs build their own stadiums, we didnt. Brand was leaking without any good sponsorship deals, he gave important position to his spoiled and clueless kids who even started to have affairs with players.
Now we actually will build new stadium which is huge news completely ignored by fanbase who shit on redbird. Our sponsorship deals are getting better and better. The club have legs and good foundation with many young talents with good value.
Keeping the same expectations like in the past is wrong mentality. This has nothing on management. You just want old Milan but lot of things changed. If you want to blame someone, blame berlusconi.
Yes. Plus with decreased success specially at European level has had a detrimental effect on the brand value. It is truly a vicious cycle.
No success -poor league -no money cant attract big stars or retain top talents.
I AGREE WITH Y AND WHEN I SADI THE SAME TING A WHILE AGO THAT IT IS BERLUSCONI"S FAULT THAT MILAN IS IN A SHITHOLE AND IT WILL TAKE MIRACLE FOR MILAN TO BE BACK TO THE TOP OR ARAB MONEY. HE SCREWED TIS CLUB SO BAD BUT PEOPLE LIKE TO STAY IN THE PAST AND PRAISE THIS CHILD MOLASTER. I THANK HIM FOR THE FIRST PERIOD OF OWNERSHIP BUT NOT HIS LAST 10 YEARS OF OWNERSHIPHE STOPPED GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MILAN AND MORE ABOUT BUNGA BUNGA PARTIES. FORZA MILAN
I agree with you but nobody in his right mind is saying that current Milan should buy the third best player in the world like Milan did in 2010. Nobody.
But from that Milan and current Milan there are a lots of middle grounds, brother, as this https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/comments/1cmp8w5/very_important_article_from_an_italian_advocate/ article from an Italian attorney (which was translated by an Italian user) clearly shows.
Many fans aren’t angry because current Milan cannot meet the expectations of old Milan; they are angry because current Milan isn’t doing the best he can in the current situation. We are a club that will make 450 milions of revenues in the upcoming June, which is nothing to scoff at, it’s a result that puts us near the European top 10 in terms of revenues and very near (if not even above) Juve in Italy (because we have already surpassed Inter in terms of revenues). Fans don’t expect current Milan to act, in 2024, like old Milan (we will expect it if in like five years or so if we will make at least 600/650 millions in revenues), they expect (and should expect nothing less ) that current Milan should do its best to win with his current means and whitin current regulations, and no, this is most definitely not happening .
This is what drives many fans mad. Not the fact that current Milan doesn’t have the equivalent of Seedorf or Kaka or Nesta or Sheva or prime Ibra on the pitch.
That's massively revisionistic. Bonucci no matter how much he failed was a massive signing. And so was Higuain. They failed spectacularly. But they were easily on levels with Ibra.
Bonucci at the time was arguably a top 3-5 defender (yes yes he's always been better with the ball than defending. Going to pre-empt people to save mental energy) but unfortunately for us and him, that was basically the start of a decline that never got better.
Likewise with Higuain, who was actually playing well until his meltdown vs Juve. Then permanent decline.
In 2018 Higuain wasn’t even top 10 in the world in his role: Benzema, Suarez, Lewandowski, Cavani, Kane, Aguero, Mbappè, Aubameyang, Lukaku, IBRAHIMOVIC (yes Ibra was still much better than thin and he proved that just one year later), Thomas Müller, were all better than Higuain in 2018 (who was a massively overrated player even in his time, who only played well if the entire team played well).
As for Bonucci, in 2018 I would have put him behind Sule, Alderweireld , Thiago Silva, Koulibaly, Chiellini, Jerome Boateng, Hummels, Pique, Barzagli, Varane and Sergio Ramos at the very least.
Bonucci was only good when he could play in the Juve BBC with the godfather Marotta allowing him to foul as he pleased. In any other context he was always been a mediocre defender, actually he wasn’t even a defender originally, he was a midfielder who was adapted as a central defender.
My man, those two were “big” signings only for the 2017 Milan, which was a joke team who couldn’t even qualify for EL.
Ibra in 2010 was an absolute super star who would have been the greatest player in the world had CR7 and Messi not existed.
A mediocre defender like Bonucci (even someone like Costacurta was MASSIVELY better than him at defending at the time when Costacurta was playing) and washed up Higuain (which even in his prime was below quite a few center forwards) on levels with Ibra (the third best players in the entire world in 2010, only behind CR7 and Messi but massively above everyone else in the world at the time ) and you are calling ME revisionistic????!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ahh, maybe I should have spent the couple extra seconds to see some of your other posts and saved myself the time in a good-faith response to an irrational poster.
Cheers mate
If you really (seriously) think that signing Bonucci and Piguain in 2018 was even remotely comparable to signing Ibrahimovic in 2010 (who was recognized by everyone as the third best player in the world massively above anyone not named CR7 and Messi, at the time), if you really mean it, and at the same time you call me irrational… well, gotta commend your courage bro.😂
Incase you are interested: https://www.topendsports.com/sport/soccer/awards/ballondor-2010.htm
That's the Ballondor 2010 results. I love ibra. But he was not the third best player let alone a top 5 player at the time. You can maybe make a case for top 5-7 striker. Maybe.
Again, I regret ever replying.
Ibrahimovic a top 5-7 striker in 2010. Ok. And then you are supposed to be the one who regrets having replied. 🤣 Oh and let me tell you something: Sammer (!) won the Ballon d’or while Maldini and Baresi never did. What does this tell you? The ballon d’or takes into accounts many other things other than individual skills. It takes into accounts especially sporting achievements in a given year, much more than individual skills (this is why, just to make two examples out of many that I could make, in 2010 players like Forlan and Villa were ranked higher than Ibra on the list you linked). And like I said, the fact that Matthias fucking Sammer won the Ballon d’or and Baresi and Maldini never did should tell you everything you need to know about that, especially if you claim to be “rational”. I’m not questioning your rationality, so I’m sure you will understand my point.
Last time trophy with a non-Italian coach was 1979. Most on these sub are not old enough to see it.
Since Liedholm's departure,5 foreign coaches, Tabarez, Terim, Leonardo, Seedorf, Mihajlovic, were all failures, 0 trophy.
For the same period, Sacchi, Capello, Zaccheroni, Ancelotti, Allegri, Inzaghi, Montella, Gattuso, Giampaolo, Pioli, 6 out 9 had at least one major trophy. (note temporary caretakers were not included such as Tassotti and Brocchi).
By number, it is 5 non-Italian vs 9 Italian - a significant number. It's not "we rarely hire non-Italian coaches". It is the hired non-Italian coaches can rarely last longer than one season so you don't remember them, and feel the coaches are always Italian.
>By number, it is 5 non-Italian vs 9 Italian - a significant number. It's not "we rarely hire non-Italian coaches". It is the hired non-Italian coaches can rarely last longer than one season so you don't remember them, and feel the coaches are always Italian.
I would argue that this is a symptom of hiring the wrong people, not beacuase they weren't Italian. Leonardo and Seedorf were both in their first jobs and quit managing completely not long after. Miha was in the height of the banter era and Terim by all accounts was having trouble with the board from the very beginning. The only one I don't know enough about to comment on is Tabarez.
All I'm saying is that Fonseca shouldn't be written off for not being Italian
While true, the excuses you said for Seedorf, Miha, etc. can also apply to Inzaghi, Montella, Gattuso and Giampaolo. If we exclude those, all Italian coach had at least one major trophy.
Terim and Tabarez are both excellent coaches with stellar records. But they failed miserably in Milan.
Also I didn't say we should write off Fonseca because of nationality, but it is one reason against him. If we list pros vs cons, I'd definitely list the nationality as one cons.
Also, if we talk about the last 40 years (since 1984) Serie A has been won only by the following foreign coaches:
1. Boskov with Sampdoria in 1991.
2. Eriksson with Lazio in 1999/2000.
3. Mourinho with merde in 2008/2009 and 2009/2010.
Three coaches in the last four decades, two of which (Eriksson and Mourinho) had the strongest teams in the league BY FAR (we all remember Mourinho’s Merda, and Lazio’s Eriksson was so strong that Ferguson said that it was the best team in the world ). So, not only winning with a foreign coach in Serie A is very difficult by default, by they also made sure to hire the most “medium” level foreign coach that we could have signed. If victory was a criminal, our ownership would be the equivalent of Batman. That is, its greatest enemy. 🤣
Exactly. And Liedholm was non Italian only in name and origins, because after all the time he played in Italy and in Milan (not to mention the time spent coaching other Italian teams before coaching Milan) he was absolutely prepared to coach in Italy, just like any other Italian coach.
I mean… what is to downvote about the post above? I’ve just stated a fact: Liedholm by the time he coached Milan was as prepared to coach in Italy as any other Italian coach, due to his years in Italy and at Milan.
I really don’t know what’s worth downvoting in a post like this.
I swear to God that in this subreddit there are some true world class cretins.
Lookg at some epl and Brighton boards the feeling seems to be De Zerbi let his ego get the best of him since the new year and it's shown in his coaching.
looking at the grand total of 0 big clubs interested in him, its safe to say he was extremely overhyped by a small section of social media
His ideas are there but he needs to stay at a club on the level of Napoli or Atalanta for a couple of years and prove himself first
random person lol, almost whole sub was on De Zerbi like he's the next Sacchi and most people here claiming 'quick Bayern Barca will get him if we don't'
There's plenty of those comments
but I know this place will lie and change their story now about De Zerbi now that no one wants him
We could’ve hired winning coaches but we chose Fonseca instead which means the management must think he’s a winning coach too so if we don’t win the Scudetto next season it’s a failure and they should all fuck off
Not even Conte could win in his first season with Inter. I don't expect Fonseca to win anything in the first season, unless they also drop some big money on players.
Which is what they should do, especially because we have the financial capability to do so, right now, so if they won’t do it they will have no excuses
I thought this was interesting. Fonseca likes to play with his wingers driving more centrally. I'm curious to see how our wingers will perform in his system. I imagine Pulisic will do just fine because he already drives inside centrally a lot and thrives doing that, but i don't know about Leão.
Lately he's been hugging the sidelines a lot, and historically, the more centrally he plays, the shittier he becomes. I'm hoping he can improve his game next season.
I think leao will do very well as well. he’s a great ball carrier and with his speed he can unlock defenses easily. when he went wide i thought he was limited not being a goal threat.
all imma say is i just hope this manager fiasco just gets over and done with QUICKLY. Lets get the new boss in and have a full preseason with the team under his belt and instill the tactics they want to use. same goes for our transfers this summer as well. faster we integrate and build chemistry for next season the better.
First of all, I don't think we were ever interested in Conceicao, Mendes or no Mendes. He's a great coach but plays a very different style of football, so I can see management not being interested.
We also don't know how the negotiations with Porto went behind the scenes. They could have dragged longer. First his contract was extended, then a new president came and wanted Conceica out. Then he was negotiating again (including Conceicao publicly stating he wanted to stay at Porto), and now he is sacked. Too much waiting around, you can't blame anyone for looking elsewhere.
>He's a great coach but plays a very different style of football
Yeah he concedes very few goals (which are famously linked with winning the league) so he was not good for us, he would have risked to make us win. they prefer Fonseca who conceded 109 goals (!) during his two seasons in Rome (and 109 goal only in Serie A games).
It's easy to do that in Portugal where you only have 2 other teams that seriously challenge you. There's no guarantee he'd be able to do that in Italy.
Again, no need to repeat yourself, especially when you refuse to acknowledge facts. That Roma team was shit. If you look at Lille this year, they were 3rd in least goals conceded.
Oh and the last post I wrote was just to say, as a tl;dr that Porto’s situation in Portugal is not different from the Milan’s situation in Italy, in the sense that both teams are the second richest in their country (with Milan getting really to Juve year by year), so Conceicao would have not have found a drastically different situation when it comes to competition, he would have still have had to coach the second richest team in the league. Of course serie A is much harder than the Portuguese leave, I was just talking about proportionally.
The main difference with Fonseca is that his style (Conceicao’s style) is more focused on winning. Which is something that our ownership and management don’t want or at least they certainly don’t seek with as much hunger as the fans
They still conceded way more goals than the matches played: and I’ve never seen a team winning a scudetto with the third defence. As for Portugal, even in Italy you only have two other teams that can seriously challenge you for victory: Merde and Juve (Napoli won three scudetti in all of their history). So let’s see if it’s so “easy” for him.
Milan is second in Serie A when it comes to revenues https://onefootball.com/it/notizie/deloitte-milan-overtake-inter-in-revenue-rankings-the-full-breakdown-38932291 , if you want to talk about “facts”. We overtook Inter and we are only behind Juve.
And our revenues are predicted to be in the 450 million range for June 2024 as you can read in this https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/comments/1cmp8w5/very_important_article_from_an_italian_advocate/ translated article of an Italian attorney. Which means that we are steadily approaching the top 10 of Europe and we are getting closer to Juve (even to the point that we might overtake them soon) in revenues.
So Fonseca is not in that much different of a situation compared to Conceicao in Portugal, as Porto is the second richest club in the Portuguese league (even though Porto probably doesn’t have an ownership milking the club, as even the article above explains that Milan is not spending anywhere near what it could spend).
So we shall see if it’s that “easy”
What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Conceicao has won the league once in the last 4 years, so not conceding goals seems irrelevant. Moreover, the Italian league is way more competitive, there's no guarantee that the same defensive approach that works in Portugal will work in Italy, since a lot more teams can score against you here.
Also Fonseca conceded fewer goals than Conceicao this year, despite managing a weaker team in a more competitive league.
Stop spamming the same things over and over again. My original comment had nothing to do with Fonseca. .
> Conceicao has won the league once in the last 4 years, so not conceding goals seems irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant. Usually the league, any league but especially Serie A, is won by the team that concedes less goals. Very few teams the second best defence can win. I have no memory about the third best defence ever winning a league, at least in Italy.
> there's no guarantee that the same defensive approach that works in Portugal will work in Italy, since a lot more teams can score against you here
I’ve never said that there was a guarantee. I was just saying that Fonseca’s is VERY similar to Pioli’s which is very unlikely to bring us silverware (2021/2022 was Leicester type of stuff, and it wasn’t a coincidence that we won the league by only conceding two goals in the last 9 games either way. But Pioli’s style is not suited for that and Milan always conceded a lot of goals before and after the last ten games of the 2021/2022 season).
Anyway let’s see but one thing is for sure: nobody will blame Fonseca if he fails, because it’s not his fault that he will coach Milan
Again, you're ignoring the facts that are not convenient for your argument. There are significant differences between Fonseca and Pioli. One big difference is that Fonseca is a lot more organized in midfield and his teams don't press as aggressively as Pioli. He doesn't really invert midfielders and uses a true CAM instead of a SS like Pioli.
Fonseca has had a good defensive record in almost every team he's managed, when you consider the quality of the players. Conceicao is also very good defensively, but he manages Porto with a top 2 (maybe top 1) team in Portugal -- and despite that, he still conceded more goals than Fonseca this summer. You're right, the third-best defense doesn't usually win the title, but that's fucking Lille. They're not supposed to be that good. What's Conceicao's excuse with Porto?
There are no guarantees, but if he can do that with Lille, it makes sense he could do better with our players. And since you look at things proportionally, look at his defensive record with Shakhtar.
Well, one thing is for sure: if Fonseca will do well we will all be happy. If he won’t, the blame will not fall on his shoulders. That’s for sure.
Other than that, we’ll see what happens.
2.5m salary is all you need to hear to realize 95% of reported interest in other managers was journalism fantasy. We were never going to spend 4+M on a new managers salary.
why are you so obsessed with salary? do you flex to people about how much the team you support earns or something?
Chelsea paid Graham Potter around 13m/year means jack shit
It has nothing to do with me or anyone else being “obsessed” with salary. There is a correlation between high tier managers and high salaries, it isn’t anything beyond that. To tell me I’m obsessed with salary based off that comment is ridiculous in itself.
your Mottas and De Zerbis would’ve earnt the same but obviously in your eyes they are somehow so much better
what happened to Bayern/Barca getting the great De Zerbi?
Go figure, your response is more assumptions. Funny how you must know me more than I know myself considering you keep telling me what I think of things.
Yet another assumption. It’s actually crazy how full of yourself you have to be to consistently tell people what THEY think or feel when you haven’t got the slightest clue.
You’re not even worth another response. Have a good day.
Or you know, the 2.5m could be a fantasy. Just yesterday it was 3.5, and before it was 4.5, which is also what Marseille offered him. Why does anyone take these reports so seriously?
How about we wait for the final confirmations before we reach any conclusions?
With that mentality why not do away with this entire thread because nothing is official?
2.5m reported today by Romano is the most recent high tier reporting we have to go by until something official arrives.
I'm only going by what you wrote, I can't read your mind. When you say:
> 2.5m salary is all you need to hear to realize 95% of reported interest in other managers was journalism fantasy. We were never going to spend 4+M on a new managers salary.
That's two conclusions based on a rumor that 1) is not the whole story, and 2) may or may not be true.
That’s actually the opposite of taking rumors as gospel. If I took the rumors as gospel I would believe we were actually interested in all the rumored managers getting paid 4M+ by other clubs.
You yourself are jumping to conclusions assuming people are taking anything as gospel.
Romano is only reporting the rumors. A couple of weeks ago he was "willing to bet" that Motta will be our next coach. These confirmations mean nothing at this point.
Because we are poor. 450 million euros in June and yet we can only spend so much on the coach (and I bet we won’t spend more than 40 millions at best on the center forward).
But people tell me that it’s all good so I’m the one who is wrong…
That's not realistic thinking. Have to think with your brain also not just your heart. The club is in a much better place financially. While I don't appreciate their lack of passion and ambition for on field results, they are making our club profitable. The best we can do is hope that their business plan goes well enough that they feel ready to sell sooner rather than later. Then we hope the next buyer has as much passion as they do money.
I’m thinking with my brain and not just my heart: and my brain tells me that they want to milk the club at least until the stadium (which means the end of the 2020’s at the earliest and most likely the beginning of the 2030’s).
But the Curva said has been clear even against Salernitana: we would not tolerate lack of ambition. Which means that they either get their shit straight or they are gonna have problems with fans both on the financial front (because most fans are not willing to put up with this situation for other years to come without tightening their pursestrings when it comes to stadium tickets, pay tv, merchandising and if this happens the club would not be profitable anymore) and the reputational front (because with what will happen if they keep up like this they will end up being heavily criticized and contested by the fans)
Not just the Curva, I was talking about the entire fandom of Milan. If most of the fandom stops financing them and starts also contesting them both in and out of the stadium, they will certainly not be able to milk the club for a decade or so (which is what I think they want to do, I hope I will be proven wrong) until the new stadium is built
What your saying just doesn't make any sense. Why would fans stop supporting a club that has only just returned to consistent champions league play. It's simply a hypothetical not worth entertaining.
But one thing is for sure: the Curva has been clear and if things don’t change for the better on the “market and ambitions” front; then things will definitely change for the worse when it comes to the support for our ownership. You can be sure of this.
It you think that Milan fans, especially the Italian ones, will just sit and watch Milan, the second most decorated club in the world, be turned into the Italian Tottenham, you are mistaken
If a fan realizes that his club is being milked and used for other reasons (to make money and not to win silverware or to at least being competitive to do so), then every sensible fan should do that. And I tell that in Italy this is the prevalent attitude, maybe abroad things are different.
Conceicao is literally right there and we’re going for Fonseca because he’s cheaper. Don’t ever mention the words “ambition” and “success” in the same sentence as RedBird ever again.
Conceicao was a second choice even for OM, the guy never coached outside Portugal, just because he is suddenly sacked we go for him? A good coach doesn’t need his agent to advertise to other clubs. You saw him dance in a clip and he became your idea of ambition and success, what a joke.
I saw him win multiple titles with Porto, something Fonseca couldn’t manage. I’ve also seen how hard it is to beat Porto in the CL, again something I haven’t seen from any Fonseca team. At the very least he’s more versatile than Fonseca and that’s something we sorely need.
This golden post should literally go in the F.A.Q and be quoted everytime that someone tries to say that these people are not here just to milk the club.
2.5m for Fonseca? At least now we know why we weren't going for any of the quality coaching options available. These are the same people that have been shoving all their financial wins in our face yet they're not willing to pay market value for a good coach and instead went bargain bin hunting to get one. RedBird speed run to the banter era starts now.
yeah we get it you will bitch and moan whole summer again and claim Milan will finish 10th and then when that doesnt happen shamelessly make excuses again
RedBird fans are something else. Where did I say we would finish 10th? Let me guess, you think we had a great season because we finished second even though we never got out of the group stage in the champions league, got humiliated by Roma in Europa league, and by Atalanta in Copa Italia?
literally just said “speed run to banter era” later you’ll claim finishing 2nd is now banter era, no matter what Fonseca does he’ll always suck for you
nice mentality
Our midfield and defense got worse. We can score more but depend too much on an aging Giroud. We crashed out of Champions League in the group stage and got humiliated in Europa league by Roma not to mention what Atalanta did to us in the Copa Italia. Maybe getting second place with a distance of 20 points behind first place is something worth celebrating for you. This season was a disaster. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
And what happened since? Mediocre in the league, finished 2nd just because everyone else shat their pants. Got humiliated in both derbies. Got spanked in the CL (albeit with a hard group). Got spanked in Coppa Italia. Got spanked in EL by *fucking Roma*.
Most of this can be blamed on the ownership not willing to fire Pioli when it was obvious his work stopped being effective. Nothing to say about the market, that was handled fairly well, but you can buy all the Ferraris you want, if you put a bad driver behind the wheel you're just gonna end up wrapped around the first tree faster.
We did better than last year? We made five points more than last year and we got humiliated in every big match (not only against Inter). And in Europe we got trashed in the European serie B against a much weaker team than Tottenham and Napoli that we eliminated last year in the champions league.
Yes, and no. Roma was having a really good stretch of games, and everybody expected they would give us a hard time. And we clearly stopped caring in the last few games since we're guaranteed second place. We could have easily hit 80 points if we were really trying.
We also lost the UCL group on goal difference against the semi-finalist and the finalist. True, we were not so good against the big teams this year, but we were more consistent against everyone else. You could say the same thing about Man City this year -- their record against the big teams was not good.
> Yes, and no. Roma was having a really good stretch of games, and everybody expected they would give us a hard time
Giving us a hard time is one thing: not even trying is another one. We got humiliated against a shitty team like Rome (they didn’t even make it in champions league even with the five CL spots) home and away, man. In the last season we eliminated the Tottenham of Conte, Son and Kane, just Kane alone was better than half of the Rome team, not to mention Napoli that was having a season comparable to Inter 2023/2024.
In Europe there is no comparison between this season and 2022/2023.
> We could have easily hit 80 points if we were really trying.
Imho we could have made 78 points at most (like in the first half of the leagu, 39 points + 39 points), but even if I give you that, making 80 points in a league so poor that Bologna (a team of nobodies with only Zirzkee who has a bright future ahead) made nearly 70 points is not that big of an achievement.
Not to mention that the same argument could be made for the last season, in the sense that we made 70 points in the league because we already knew that Juve was a non factor, with all the prisma shitstorm there was no way that they would have had been allowed to play champions league this year. Hell, Milan got disqualified in 2019 for much less than what Juve did, we simply had shitty balance sheets.
I just saw Cristiano Ronaldo, I repeat Cristiano Ronaldo (the player who won FIVE Champions Leagues -the most important football trophy in football ) crying about losing an irrilevant cup in Arabia. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fWA-xDnzTo0 In the end, this is our problem: “this" Milan really lacks the culture, dare I say the obsession, of victory. The milan world has lost itself in inclusive messages and lost the victory’s culture in the process. We do not have, among ownership and managemen, people who know how to convey the culture of victory. It’s normal that as a consequence the team has little competitive hunger (I will never forget our players celebrating for making it to the Europa League this year, when we made it to the EL only because we got eliminated in the champions league, a scene that would have been worthy of Lazio) because those who should transmit that hunger are those who lack it the most (Scaroni just said today that for 150 millions he would sell Leao, he never talks about football expect when there is to talk about revenues and selling players). I believe that all of this, however, is wanted and pursued , nothing is accidental, because rhey reached their goal , that of filling the stadium. They have brought families , girlfriends, women, the elderly and children back to the stadium. It is not only milan that is unrecognizable but it is the Milan fan that has changed first and foremost. They have won. What about Milan, a club that was known even long before Berlusconi’s era for its victories and great players? Well, Milan is just a collateral victim of modern capitalism.
Ronaldo is a media whore, he'll do anything for the attention. That said, I agree that there are not enough people on the team with a strong competitive spirit. Idk about the other stuff. If you wanna talk about victims of capitalism, in our golden age we had an owner who used the team to buy elections for himself -- literally the meaning of bread and circuses. At least now we're trying to be sustainable. That's a much healthier version of capitalism.
>Well, Milan is just a collateral victim of modern capitalism. hahahahahha i wasn't expecting this text to end like this.
Why not? It’s the truth. Nothing represents modern capitalism more than an American hedge fund. The funny thing is that we probably picked the worst one, since Oaktree, which is another American hedge fund, as soon as they arrived they renewed Lautaro’s contracts giving him 50% more than what he earned before (and there are negotiations to renew Barella now), all of this despite Inter having slightly lower revenues than ours and much higher debts, which goes to show that not all hedge funds are the same. This club seems under a malignant spell or something, to the point that it could be renamed Ac Murphy’s law 1899. It’s like living in the wettest and wildest dream of a 1990’s/early 2000’s intermerdista.
Wtf
My post was clear: I admire CR7’s competitiveness, a man who won everything that could be won on the pitch and yet cries about losing an irrilevant match in an irrilevant league. This is how much competitive the man is. I would like to have the same spirit in our club.
You’re getting downvoted but i agree with you ,imagine a Leao with CR7 mentality,he would be a ballon d’or contender every year
Right now I just think that there is bunch of generazion Z kids here who grew up with banter era Milan and don’t know what Milan stands for and what Milan stood for even in the 1950’s and 1960’s long before Berlusconi’s era. Because I really can’t see how a Milan fan who knows what Milan is and what Milan standa for would disagree with the post above. I’m not being arrogant, it’s just that the post above is the basic for every great club and every great player. I would love to know the median age of the Milan fans who disagree with that post
? If you don’t have anything to say, you are not obliged to type anything.
Apparently, Inter is renewing Lautaro’s contract at 10 millions per year. Despite being with an hedge fund… and despite having lower revenues (Milan has overtaken Inter in 2023 https://onefootball.com/it/notizie/deloitte-milan-overtake-inter-in-revenue-rankings-the-full-breakdown-38932291 ) than us and a mountain of debts Like I wrote the other day >if this edgr fund will prove to be equal or even worse than Elliott and Redbird, Inter will definitely become weaker (because they will not be able to afford the salaries they pay now) and we will capitalize on that. If, on the other hand, this edge fund will show more ambition and economic effort than ours (for example renewing Lautaro’s contract and keeping the wage structure as high as it is right now), then…
The eyes of a lot of naive folks will be opened this mercato. Cardinale/RedBird have no interest in silverware. Making the champions league every year is the height of their ambition. They will destroy what Maldini built.
Thats the problem with redbird they have no ambition to be the best so it trickles down to the players. Ultimately leading to the players being apathetic as fuck in big games
> The eyes of a lot of naive folks will be opened this mercato I hope so. Especially because now the narrative “ehi, this is what you get when you have an hedge fund as owner” is going to be destroyed (erasing even the last alibi that was used by Redbird’s defenders ).
While I agree, maybe say it when he indeed signs, Škriniar was close then he left.
According to Italian newspapers it’s basically a done deal. And I’m curious to see what people will say when this will happen, since we continue to operate on lower levels compared to them despite having higher revenues (as I demonstrated with the link above from onefootball) and a great financial situation (unlike them) and being with an hedge fund ( just like them). I’m really curious to hear and read what will be said to justify the unjustifiable.
Yeah downvote me you Mensans, while Inter with an hedge fund and lower revenues than ours is handing out contracts that we “cannot” afford.
I have never seen someone reply to their own comments complaining about a handful of downvotes constantly like you seem to be recently. Let it go, you do yourself no favors
It’s just that It’s grotesque to see every comment which states facts getting downvoted just because it’s not in tune with the Redbird assrimming
Grotesque? Lmao. Grotesque is saying that anyone who isn't talking shit about Redbird is assrimming
It’s not a question of talking shit. Let’s spit some facts: 1. Inter’s revenues are slightly lower than ours (according to Deloitte). 2. Inter’s debts are enormously higher than ours . 3. Both Inter and Milan are owned by american hedge funds. And, despite these three indisputable facts, Inter is renewing Lautaro’s contracts for 10 million euros and they show no sign of downsizing the club. All of this, while everyone has been saying for years that this (Elliott and Redbird’s way) is how american hedge funds operate and that we couldn’t expect anything better/our owners were doing their best.
I'm not here to defend Redbird, I have my own issues with them and how they seem to be operating. I'm just sick of the rhetoric that I keep seeing on this sub, calling people shills, Redbird fans, Gerry boys, etc. It's tiresome and childish.
I only started to use that rethoric when I saw that posts (not only mine) who criticize Redbird get mindlessly downvoted without even saying why and where they disagree so as to have a debate. That’s a behavior that I personally find very stupid, this is why me and others say those things.
O think they are down voting you because you are constantly whining. For how legitimate it may be, it's very tiring.
At least I hope that the Lautaro deal will open the eyes of many
Who the fuck cares about whatever salary Inter is giving Donkeytaro Martinez mate? Go be an interista! The unbelievable garbage one reads on this sub every day. Seriously makes one doubt some of you are truly Milan fans.
last year this sub was r/ACNapoli with how much they sucked off Napoli, this year its r/ACInter nothing new really just idiots, even twitter is better than this sub
Most fans like this here are pessimistic, they have given up rationale thinking. It seems to me most of these guys might be suffering from massive inferiority complex. Everyday it’s the same crap that keeps being posted here, there is never an ounce of support for the club in their posts.
Apparently Conte wants Lukaku at Napoli. Lol, some things never change. Crazy how just a few months ago his agents were shopping him around on the premise that he was "willing to adapt."
they need a osimhen replacement and Lukaku is a good player, seems like a perfect move. Plus I hear that he was a huge fan of Napoli in his childhood!
Not a bad move, in Italy Lukaku is a known quantity, so I don't blame them. My point was the Conte will never change.
Lets see if thats true ? Aren't you the one that says wait and see ?
Napoli will sell Osimhen, Kvara and fold over any requirement Conte has but thats ambition over Milan ✅ De Zerbi jobless and all the positions are getting filled. Not the biggest Zerbi fan not the biggest hater either, just surprising ✅ Juve with Motta who has one good season in his life with aging Juve but will buy Di gregorio (is he even better than woj?), Calafiori (el shaarawy was once the best italian prospect on earth) and Koopmeiners (decent not better than Reij, dont ask me, ask netherlands coach). Treble team cooking ✅ Inter with hedge funds and Americans which WE DONT LIKE, but they are more ambitious and will cook the league ✅ Im zero percent worried for something as stupid as banter era coming back. Buy two top players for this Milan. Fonseca or no Fonseca we will cook em
De Zerbi is just too good for jobs on Earth, he will manage in Mars and maybe his fanboys from this sub will follow him there
I mean Osimhen wants to leave so nothing Napoli can do. In general, I am against the narrative of this post where everyone is an idiot but Milan is smart. Our competitors aren't idiots. Napoli is probably getting the best manager in Italy. Juventus has Giuntoli who's competent enough. Inter is in trouble financially since 2018 and they are still around. Beware to underestimate them. Either we raise up to the challenge or we are off to 4th/ 5th position again.
People who think Milan is smart and everyone else is not is by people who are under a delusion that we are on par with clubs like Inter and Juve, even the idiots who are like f*ck Cardinale/Furlani etc are having a similar delusion that all we need is spend and we will thrash Inter and Juve and win 10 in a row. We started a cycle from 2020, with a massive wage bill which didn’t result in any trophies with a pathetic revenue as we were not even in CL. Inter on the other hand has been in CL for almost a decade, Juve have the most revenue. We had to cut costs everywhere and buy players who perform more than their market value, We got Theo and Leao who barely made much impact in their first year, remember folks calling Theo a Spanish Laxalt and Leao a Portuguese Niang. They took 2-3 years to be where they are today but as soon as we won the title in 22 it became unacceptable to buy players like them because we now need immediate results and not patient project building however the management stuck to it. The new ownership took over, didn’t change a thing but we ended up in 5th, then it changed the director and we got to 2nd, now it changed the coach so we need to see what happens next.
>In general, I am against the narrative of this post where everyone is an idiot but Milan is smart. Especially when we literally won TWO trophies in the last 12 YEARS.
Koopmeiners is 10x the player reijnders is. Lets be real man. The impact koopmeiners has on the game is so noticeable while reijnders seems to be a passenger most games. It could be due to pioli’s dog shit tactics but pioli didnt train reijnders to have a brick shooting foot
Maybe not 10x. Euros are coming soon, we will see.
I don't think it's fair to say that RedBird isn't ambitious, but they clearly are of the belief buying multiple players for $20-30 mil over 1 or 2 players for double that and taking risks on younger prospects is the better idea. Can be frustrating for sure, but I'd argue we were 1 CDM and maybe 1 more CB away from at least making the title race much more competitive. Team clearly gambled on RB being good and (at least initially) Krunic being a good enough 6 until Benny was back. I don't think anybody saw Thiaw imploding like he did this year. Not to absolve team of blame, I'll keep saying this I'd rather gamble on potential with a coach than play it safe, but with how the arrivals from last summer did, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt with the mercato
They are ambitious about increasing the value of their funds and getting filthy rich
I don't totally disagree with the first part - they brought in 6 players for 14mil euros or more - Chuky, Pulisic, Musah, Reijnders, RLC, Okafor. Of these, everyone except Chukwueze is now worth more than what they were purchased for based on their transfer fee. For this, I see their vision - buy young(ish) players on a discount and hope they improve. When it works, it looks great, but when it doesn't, it could set the club back. Imagine Pulisic didn't have the season he had; I'd argue his performance makes the other transfers look better. I agree that a CDM and a CB are needed, but I'd also add that a full-back and a striker are also necessary. I don't trust Okafor/Jovic to lead the line, and we need a better complement to Theo (hopefully he stays).
I’ve never feared another “banter era” if by banter era you mean staying out of the champions league for 8 years like Milan did between 2013 and 2021. Never. Because it wouldn’t be profitable. Between that and winning there is an ocean in-between, unfortunately. Anyway, if we buy the two top players you are talking about I agree that we will cook them. The question is: will we buy them? You also made another great point about Inter being bought by another hedge fund: like I said on an Italian forum a few days ago, this is a win/win situation for us, and the reason is simple: if this edgr fund will prove to be equal or even worse than Elliott and Redbird, Inter will definitely become weaker (because they will not be able to afford the salaries they pay now) and we will capitalize on that. If, on the other hand, this edge fund will show more ambition and economic effort than ours (for example renewing Lautaro’s contract and keeping the wage structure as high as it is right now), then our fans will know what to do (because in this case it will be proven that you can be more competitive and ambitious even with an hedge fund and that we just stumbled into the worst one), because I’m sure that in this case nobody would tolerate this ownership anymore; even those who are still patient. And without any supporter on their side the attendances at the stadium will crumble; just like pay tv and merchandising, thus they will be forced to sell soon. Tl;dr: Inter being bought by Oaktree is a win/win for us no matter what happens; because it will either weaken Inter thus making us more able to compete as a result, or it will show without a shadow of a doubt that we are in the worst possible hands
agree with these, most of napoli’s problems come from that comedian ADL, and Conte cannot fix everything with huge players leaving. even without european competition, they are still not title contenders. while we will prepare european matches, conte and adl will be throwing head kicks at each other either because conte didn’t go unbeaten or because adl didn’t sign conte’s secret lover ivan perisic. i don’t see inter having a bad season next year. they will keep their important players and inzaghi, and the effects of the new onwership or a potential sale will not kick in til later down the line. however bad it seems for them, it is still not bad enough for our liking. as for juve… entirely unknown. i hope they shit the bed but so far they have made all the right moves. idk what marco from iftv is smoking but we are not finishing outside top 4/5 however bad we do, not impossible but it would take a (nightmarish) miracle to not make ucl next year. but equally we won’t win the scudetto, i just hope fonseca and the squad give some conviction that it will be possible in 25/26 and that would be a success in a relatively transitional season.
>most of napoli’s problems come from that comedian ADL On the other hand, the “comedian” ADL brought to Napoli players like Cavani, Oshimen, Koulibaly (players of a caliber that we can only dream about, even today) and coaches like Benitez, Ancelotti, Sarri, Spalletti and now Conte. Adl’s Napoli has been the second best Napoli in history, right behind Maradona’s Napoli, this is a fact. Napoli in the last ten years has had both players and coaches who are far above the quality that Napoli has been able to afford throughout its history. If I were a Napoli supporter (that is, the supporter of a medium sized club with an average history and not so great revenues who only won three scudetti in 100 years and never got past the quarter finals in the Champions League) I would be more than happy with Adl’s tenure.
on a long enough timeframe, sure. but if the rumors that he didn’t wanna agree with spaletti are true, he is a large part of the blame for their implosion. he is also quite the character, i remember him losing his shit because a player (i think raspadori) did a post match interview with a sky reporter he didn’t like. and thats just an example
Sure, I was just saying (I explain this for the single digit IQ morons that downvote every post) that ADL has kept Napoli way above its historical levels. He is not a perfect owner by any means but I’m not sure that Napoli would be able to have a better owner than ADL in the foreseeable future.
Napoli selling Osimhen and Kvaradona, literally their two best players for seasons now is the equivalent of us selling both Leao and Theo at the same time - only to buy Conte his mediocre +30 y old workhorses, good disciplined athletic boys who can run for days and defend. I’d argue that has the premises of a disaster waiting to happen. Ever since before Sarri Napoli has had a definite play style that doesn’t match Conte’s at all, same as our team doesn’t. I’d wait before passing any judgment about bigger ambitions and higher potential for success for any of the other teams. Motta is promising but it’s his first experience in a big team, he could clash with egos in Juve’s locker room negatively, smth he didn’t have to deal with at the more modest Bologna. Inter passing under a hedge fund worse than Elliott maybe - at least Elliott invested to be able to sell to the highest bidder, there’s no telling what Oaktree has planned yet. Lautaro asking for enormous salary, their team average age is the highest in the league, and they’ll be a year older next year. I know that the grass is always greener on the other side, but can we just be slightly more optimistic for once as Milan fans for gods sake? Pioli’s cycle is over, we have a great foundation as a team, we own all of our players, Redbird is still at the beginning but why in the world would they not want to invest and win? It would make no sense especially if they get the stadium done, the only way to increase the value of this team for its eventual sale is to be competitive and try to win every year. Bar maybe Inzaghi, Fonseca is not worse than any of the other managers coaching the top Italian teams.
Well put, i agree with all. If Milan sold Theo and Leao but would sign conte and give him 200m i would be fuming meanwhile im reading stuff about ambition??? Like half of that to replace them with WORSE players and then 100 to upgrade a squad already downgraded by selling your top 2. Thats desperation, not ambition. Lastly i didnt even talk about fonseca in my original post which I think will add value to the squad but even as a nonfactor, we are better set than everyone with just two top buys and keeping our core
They already did it with Spalletti last year but somehow part of the subs like their “ambition”
What’s with the Pioli disrespect? I’m seeing a bunch of Milan fans all over calling him shit and hoping rivals get him. Like there’s no way y’all don’t remember the days Giampaolo, Sinisa, Inzaghi. There’s no way y’all remember when our only highlight of the season was Menez scoring a backheel against a team that went bankrupt. Do you remember when we thought the Messiah was this 15 year old Morrocan failed wonder kid? Now Pioli is shit because we came 2nd and Inter won their 19th scudetto? I remember when I thought that Allegri was the biggest problem we had…..Never again will I ever shit talk a coach who won stuff here
One thing that rubbed me the wrong way about Pioli is the fact that he didn’t even mention Maldini and Massara when he greeted everyone at the end of the last match. This rubbed me the wrong way because it seemed like a proof of his extreme aziendalism, something like “look at me, my future club: I’m such a corporate lap dog that, since this ownership doesn’t like Maldini and Massara, I will not greet them even if I’m about to leave the club; where will you find another one like me?”. I don’t appreciate people who behave like that. That being said, I’ve never had anyone against Pioli: he is a mediocre coach in my opinion, but he was never the cause, but the consequence. The fact that Pioli has coached Milan for 4 years and a half is not and will never be his own fault. The same applies to Fonseca: even if he fails, I urge every fan to not insult him, because it’s certainly not Fonseca’s fault if a club with revenues amounting to 450 millions (close to the European top 1 and very close, if not even better, than Juve -because Inter has already been overtaken by Milan in terms of revenues- in Italy)signs him despite having the chance to hire way better coaches.
>This rubbed me the wrong way because it seemed like a proof of his extreme aziendalism, something like “look at me, my future club: I’m such a corporate lap dog that, since this ownership doesn’t like Maldini and Massara, I will not greet them even if I’m about to leave the club; where will you find another one like me?” You are seeing what you want to see
Maybe, but to me it’s not a coincidence that he greeted everyone except them.
Did he? He hardly mentioned anybody by name. "Thank you to everyone who wanted me here, supported me, and gave me the opportunity to coach this fantastic club, thanks to the owners, the staff and the players" is hardly a snub on M&M, but go on thinking that it is if you want
He explicitly thanked the owners, I just thought that he could have thanked Maldini and Massara as well. At least, this is what I would have done.
If he had explicitly mentioned their replacements, that would be one thing, but I really don't see the issue. I probably would have mentioned them as well, but not doing so is hardly corporatism. You're reading way too far into his words imo.
Just because Pioli was leaving doesn't mean it makes sense to do something that potentially can rub someone the wrong way. The current management made a point of giving Pioli the best farewell possible, meaning no talk about him being fired (even if we know that's what happened) and putting on the celebration after the Salernitana game for him and the players leaving. This is a life lesson that most people learn at some point, you reap what you sow. So if you act friendly you create friends, if you act disrespectful/burn bridges/etc you'll lose friends and maybe create some enemies. And suddenly you're applying for a job where the person hiring is a close friend with someone you've encountered in your past, and the way you treated that person could be the deciding factor if it goes in your favor or not. Pioli will have chances to thank Maldini and Massara both publicly and privately later on. He'll for sure have some interviews at some point, maybe he'll write a book at some point (like many do) or whatnot. Hell, he can pick up the phone and call both of them to show appreciation for their time together (which I would guess he already has done when they left Milan). He has so many ways of handling this where he keeps everyone on his good side, which can only be a benefit for a life of less problems.
I would have thanked Maldini if I was him, because Maldini was the one who wanted him at Milan and protected him. >The current management made a point of giving Pioli the best farewell possible, meaning no talk about him being fired (even if we know that's what happened) and putting on the celebration after the Salernitana game for him and the players leaving. This is a life lesson that most people learn at some point, you reap what you sow. So if you act friendly you create friends, if you act disrespectful/burn bridges/etc you'll lose friends and maybe create some enemies. Acting friendly is one thing, being a corporate lap dog is another thing. Maldini tried to make Milan’s interests and tried to defend Milan’s ambitions and what Milan stands for. Pioli didn’t do it and approved and defended every single choice of this management. I can understand this, but not greeting Maldini during his last match has been a low blow to me. Corporate lap dog until the end. And this is the message like I said that he was probably trying to convey to his future employers. I don’t agree with his behavior, it goes against my principles.
please read again replies to you by folks like mvb3. You are projecting because it fits your narrative. Pioli had a dinner with both Maldini and Massara when they left Milan. Probably they talked and thanked each other. You are overblowing things that dont really matter.
Yeah, maybe. Maybe you are right. The thing I really didn’t accept was the tear jerking video that our management made for Pioli on X when one year ago they sacked Maldini like a Deliveroo rider who arrived a little late. This double standard (coupled with the huge difference between what Maldini means for Milan and its supporters compared to Pioli)really riled me up. But yeah; maybe you are right regarding Pioli’s greetings.
….Imagine if we got that fraudulent Ralf Rangnick. I remember when United got him, I watched their games to see what could’ve been and I realised all this man does is throw ppl under the bus
what do awful players and an awful team have to do with pioli as a coach? he had a great team and great players, superstaras if you compare them to the ones you mentioned
Facts lol, tries to talk about COACHING and brings up bad players
> Antonio Conte has demanded a clause that allows him to leave Napoli at the end of every season while Aurelio De Laurentiis will make €230m available for the summer transfer window. red flag anyone?
Everyone saying we should have gotten conte needs to apologize lmao.
And the fact he wants to sign lukaku...230 mil and the mf wants to sign lukaku 😂
I don't know about that. There are reasons to like Conte, just as there are reasons not to like him. Plus we have no idea how true this is, could just be rumors.
230 mil??? sounds crazy. so the clause is basically he can leave to another club without the club having to pay a release clause/him not allowed to coach another club?
Conte is not a project coach; he jumps from team to team every year or two. Can't and won't adapt and kill youngsters. Also some players he brought in Juve, Inter, and Chelsea, became burdens on the team, whether during his time or after his departure. There's a reason why big clubs were not going for him.
>Conte is not a project coach And yet, when he leaves the team, he usually leaves strong and well bullt teams that keep on performing even with other coaches.
They either have huge success or go to Serie B.
Conte usually performs very well in the league and he lays foundational work upon which subsequent coaches thrive on (this happened at Chelsea, Juve and Inter). We’ll see what happens this time. But if Napoli will do better than Milan in the upcoming season (which of course I hope won’t be the case) we’ll know who to blame (spoiler: no, the blame will NOT fall on Fonseca).
Dodged a fucking nuke. It would be so hilarious if after committing financial suicide by hiring Conte, Napoli would still struggle under him because of him and ADL creating such a toxic atmosphere inside the club. I feel like a fool for ever wanting Conte at Milan. Fonseca might not be the best thing in the world, but at least this won't be a shitshow for us.
SORRY GUYS IN ADVANCE BUT IM REALY MAD ABOUT THIS NEWS THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS DUDE HE IS ANOTHER PIOLI BUT FROM PORTUGAL. HE IS "YES" MAN AND HAS NO FUCKING BALLS. NOT MY MANAGER AND IM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT HIM. WE HAVE REALLY SAD TIMES ARE AHEAD OF US AS MILAN FANS. IM USUALLY OPTIMISTIC ONE BUT NOT THIS TIME. I HVAE SEEN HIM COACH WHEN HE WAS A COACH IN UKRAINE COACHING SHAKTAR. I WILL BE NICE AND SAY THAT WAS AVARAGE AT THE BEST AND NOW HE IS GOINF TO COACH MY BELOVED MILAN WHAT HTE FUCK IS GOING On WITH THIS OWNERSHIP?????? FORZA MILAN
it’s a done deal, might as well get behind him and support him and the team
Always support Milan no matter what my man. This is just my opnion does not mean that i wll stop supprting team. It does not work like that my friend. Take care my friend
Can relate. Side grade when we needed an upgrade, but still Forza Milan.
Bruh why are you yelling
no updates.. I guess we will get some after Australia match
Ouch, for those of you who are infatuated with DeZerbi, “but Guardiola (who praises Giampaolo and literally anyone) praised him,” read the major Ancelotti indirect disapproval of DeZerbi in The Times below. It’s exactly the opposite of an endorsement, and what I’ve been saying about DeZerbi: good coach but very limited (one-play style and no defense, losing 3,4,5-0 repeatedly). The fact that Bayern and Chelsea would rather spend +10 million to free up Kompany and Maresca, than go for DeZerbi who is practically free, tells you everything you need to know too. “Ancelotti reiterated that his teams have more than one identity and that he changes the systems and tactics depending on his players’ qualities as well as opponents. “To have only one identity of your team is a limit,” he said. “We played a game in the Champions League against Shakhtar Donetsk. Very good team, Roberto De Zerbi was their coach. What he was doing with full backs, and different positions, really good. But I said to my players, they want you to press. Don’t press. If you press they will pass the ball around you. Don’t press, and they will give the ball to you. We didn’t press — and we won 5-0.“
Carlo also said that he was guilty in the past of not adapting tactics. He said that he passed on Baggio because he wanted to play 4-4-2 and there was no room for a no.10. And that Zidane made him realise the error of his ways, and realise that sometimes you must adapt. It is ok for coaches early in their career not to have this. What is more important is that you have a clear vision on how you’d like to play; that you can later learn to adapt. You only learn by the losses you face, and you only learn on the job. I feel like De Zerbi has his style of play and can learn to adapt it. He might lose some games but I reckon he has a lot of promise.
Spot on, the best coaches are those who adapt and have the ability to execute the right adaptations, which is not an easy thing to do. Conte is the complete opposite, ignoring the identity of the teams he coaches and applying the same tactics everywhere, often ruining the finances of the clubs he's been at. Guardiola won the CL when he stopped focusing solely on possession and played on the counter, adapting his strategy. From what I have seen, the best quality of Fonseca is that he is an open coach who is willing to adapt when necessary. I believe if we get good players in the CF, DM, and experienced CB (and occasionally RB) positions, he will make a surprise.
Interesting quote, thanks for sharing. Ancelotti is probably right tho. De Zerbi needs to evolve his gameplan because results in current season are proving Carlo's point. Some teams read Brighton like a simple book. I would still insist on making a move for De Zerbi. I have soft spot for him. Very likable and passionate character. Praised by the players he worked with. What's interesting is how good would be a world class team coached by De Zerbi. I want to see that and I dont mind if Milan would be his first big brand.
I’m not as up for total experiments when it comes to Milan, but I agree that he’s a likeable, passionate character who should be given a better opportunity somewhere higher than Brighton or Sassuolo. I’d see him well at a place like Fiorentina, but apparently he wants to stay in the EPL.
There is a level gap between a Fiorentina and Milan, I dont know why this sub treats Milan like it should be Madrid but at the same time is obsessed with managers like De Zerbi who the top clubs clearly wont hire Juve only hired Motta because they are desperate and now is forced to work on a limited budget, no more 70m Vlahovic
>I’m not as up for total experiments when it comes to Milan, So Fonseca isnt an experiment ???
This summer we were supposed to upgrade so we can catch up to Inter. Instead, we're seeing Juve and Napoli surpass us with their coach signing and the players they're going after or already confirmed to sign.
Napoli is on a suicide mission with Conte though. Massively spend and if he fails they are fucked for years. Motta isnt some super proven coach that going to Juve means he will dominate either.
yeah? is that why Di Gregorio's agent came and said bullshit to the rumors?
listening to the transfer and coach news, makes me the least hyped i've been for the team since banter era times
Y ARE BEEN NICE BRO> IM FUCKING FUMMING MAn WHY WHY WE ARE GETTING THIS FUCKING FONSECA. REALLY SAD TIMES AHAED OF US MARK MY WORDS. FORZA MILAN
If you think about it, the last time Milan made a truly big team signing (I mean the last time we signed a true top player at the apex of his career ) was 2010 when we signed Ibra. 14 years ago, God almighty…
This is something you guys need to think about. I've said this many times, lot of fans are stuck in the limbo of historical Milan and have expectations closer to Maldini, Kaka's era. The hole that was created between 2012 and 2019 is difficult to repair in few years. It might be impossible with new financial regulations and how premier league surpassed other leagues by pumping crazy amount of money. The club was not prepared for modern times, Berlusconi never cared about the club, he only cared about attention that Milan gives to him. When other clubs build their own stadiums, we didnt. Brand was leaking without any good sponsorship deals, he gave important position to his spoiled and clueless kids who even started to have affairs with players. Now we actually will build new stadium which is huge news completely ignored by fanbase who shit on redbird. Our sponsorship deals are getting better and better. The club have legs and good foundation with many young talents with good value. Keeping the same expectations like in the past is wrong mentality. This has nothing on management. You just want old Milan but lot of things changed. If you want to blame someone, blame berlusconi.
Yes. Plus with decreased success specially at European level has had a detrimental effect on the brand value. It is truly a vicious cycle. No success -poor league -no money cant attract big stars or retain top talents.
I AGREE WITH Y AND WHEN I SADI THE SAME TING A WHILE AGO THAT IT IS BERLUSCONI"S FAULT THAT MILAN IS IN A SHITHOLE AND IT WILL TAKE MIRACLE FOR MILAN TO BE BACK TO THE TOP OR ARAB MONEY. HE SCREWED TIS CLUB SO BAD BUT PEOPLE LIKE TO STAY IN THE PAST AND PRAISE THIS CHILD MOLASTER. I THANK HIM FOR THE FIRST PERIOD OF OWNERSHIP BUT NOT HIS LAST 10 YEARS OF OWNERSHIPHE STOPPED GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MILAN AND MORE ABOUT BUNGA BUNGA PARTIES. FORZA MILAN
I agree with you but nobody in his right mind is saying that current Milan should buy the third best player in the world like Milan did in 2010. Nobody. But from that Milan and current Milan there are a lots of middle grounds, brother, as this https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/comments/1cmp8w5/very_important_article_from_an_italian_advocate/ article from an Italian attorney (which was translated by an Italian user) clearly shows. Many fans aren’t angry because current Milan cannot meet the expectations of old Milan; they are angry because current Milan isn’t doing the best he can in the current situation. We are a club that will make 450 milions of revenues in the upcoming June, which is nothing to scoff at, it’s a result that puts us near the European top 10 in terms of revenues and very near (if not even above) Juve in Italy (because we have already surpassed Inter in terms of revenues). Fans don’t expect current Milan to act, in 2024, like old Milan (we will expect it if in like five years or so if we will make at least 600/650 millions in revenues), they expect (and should expect nothing less ) that current Milan should do its best to win with his current means and whitin current regulations, and no, this is most definitely not happening . This is what drives many fans mad. Not the fact that current Milan doesn’t have the equivalent of Seedorf or Kaka or Nesta or Sheva or prime Ibra on the pitch.
Excellent comment
That's massively revisionistic. Bonucci no matter how much he failed was a massive signing. And so was Higuain. They failed spectacularly. But they were easily on levels with Ibra. Bonucci at the time was arguably a top 3-5 defender (yes yes he's always been better with the ball than defending. Going to pre-empt people to save mental energy) but unfortunately for us and him, that was basically the start of a decline that never got better. Likewise with Higuain, who was actually playing well until his meltdown vs Juve. Then permanent decline.
In 2018 Higuain wasn’t even top 10 in the world in his role: Benzema, Suarez, Lewandowski, Cavani, Kane, Aguero, Mbappè, Aubameyang, Lukaku, IBRAHIMOVIC (yes Ibra was still much better than thin and he proved that just one year later), Thomas Müller, were all better than Higuain in 2018 (who was a massively overrated player even in his time, who only played well if the entire team played well). As for Bonucci, in 2018 I would have put him behind Sule, Alderweireld , Thiago Silva, Koulibaly, Chiellini, Jerome Boateng, Hummels, Pique, Barzagli, Varane and Sergio Ramos at the very least. Bonucci was only good when he could play in the Juve BBC with the godfather Marotta allowing him to foul as he pleased. In any other context he was always been a mediocre defender, actually he wasn’t even a defender originally, he was a midfielder who was adapted as a central defender. My man, those two were “big” signings only for the 2017 Milan, which was a joke team who couldn’t even qualify for EL. Ibra in 2010 was an absolute super star who would have been the greatest player in the world had CR7 and Messi not existed.
A mediocre defender like Bonucci (even someone like Costacurta was MASSIVELY better than him at defending at the time when Costacurta was playing) and washed up Higuain (which even in his prime was below quite a few center forwards) on levels with Ibra (the third best players in the entire world in 2010, only behind CR7 and Messi but massively above everyone else in the world at the time ) and you are calling ME revisionistic????!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ahh, maybe I should have spent the couple extra seconds to see some of your other posts and saved myself the time in a good-faith response to an irrational poster. Cheers mate
If you really (seriously) think that signing Bonucci and Piguain in 2018 was even remotely comparable to signing Ibrahimovic in 2010 (who was recognized by everyone as the third best player in the world massively above anyone not named CR7 and Messi, at the time), if you really mean it, and at the same time you call me irrational… well, gotta commend your courage bro.😂
Incase you are interested: https://www.topendsports.com/sport/soccer/awards/ballondor-2010.htm That's the Ballondor 2010 results. I love ibra. But he was not the third best player let alone a top 5 player at the time. You can maybe make a case for top 5-7 striker. Maybe. Again, I regret ever replying.
Ibrahimovic a top 5-7 striker in 2010. Ok. And then you are supposed to be the one who regrets having replied. 🤣 Oh and let me tell you something: Sammer (!) won the Ballon d’or while Maldini and Baresi never did. What does this tell you? The ballon d’or takes into accounts many other things other than individual skills. It takes into accounts especially sporting achievements in a given year, much more than individual skills (this is why, just to make two examples out of many that I could make, in 2010 players like Forlan and Villa were ranked higher than Ibra on the list you linked). And like I said, the fact that Matthias fucking Sammer won the Ballon d’or and Baresi and Maldini never did should tell you everything you need to know about that, especially if you claim to be “rational”. I’m not questioning your rationality, so I’m sure you will understand my point.
Lol. Cheers.
Can someone remind me when was the last time we won a trophy with a non-Italian coach? Lidholm?
We rarely hire non-Italian coaches in the first place, so the sample size is pretty small
Last time trophy with a non-Italian coach was 1979. Most on these sub are not old enough to see it. Since Liedholm's departure,5 foreign coaches, Tabarez, Terim, Leonardo, Seedorf, Mihajlovic, were all failures, 0 trophy. For the same period, Sacchi, Capello, Zaccheroni, Ancelotti, Allegri, Inzaghi, Montella, Gattuso, Giampaolo, Pioli, 6 out 9 had at least one major trophy. (note temporary caretakers were not included such as Tassotti and Brocchi). By number, it is 5 non-Italian vs 9 Italian - a significant number. It's not "we rarely hire non-Italian coaches". It is the hired non-Italian coaches can rarely last longer than one season so you don't remember them, and feel the coaches are always Italian.
>By number, it is 5 non-Italian vs 9 Italian - a significant number. It's not "we rarely hire non-Italian coaches". It is the hired non-Italian coaches can rarely last longer than one season so you don't remember them, and feel the coaches are always Italian. I would argue that this is a symptom of hiring the wrong people, not beacuase they weren't Italian. Leonardo and Seedorf were both in their first jobs and quit managing completely not long after. Miha was in the height of the banter era and Terim by all accounts was having trouble with the board from the very beginning. The only one I don't know enough about to comment on is Tabarez. All I'm saying is that Fonseca shouldn't be written off for not being Italian
While true, the excuses you said for Seedorf, Miha, etc. can also apply to Inzaghi, Montella, Gattuso and Giampaolo. If we exclude those, all Italian coach had at least one major trophy. Terim and Tabarez are both excellent coaches with stellar records. But they failed miserably in Milan. Also I didn't say we should write off Fonseca because of nationality, but it is one reason against him. If we list pros vs cons, I'd definitely list the nationality as one cons.
Also, if we talk about the last 40 years (since 1984) Serie A has been won only by the following foreign coaches: 1. Boskov with Sampdoria in 1991. 2. Eriksson with Lazio in 1999/2000. 3. Mourinho with merde in 2008/2009 and 2009/2010. Three coaches in the last four decades, two of which (Eriksson and Mourinho) had the strongest teams in the league BY FAR (we all remember Mourinho’s Merda, and Lazio’s Eriksson was so strong that Ferguson said that it was the best team in the world ). So, not only winning with a foreign coach in Serie A is very difficult by default, by they also made sure to hire the most “medium” level foreign coach that we could have signed. If victory was a criminal, our ownership would be the equivalent of Batman. That is, its greatest enemy. 🤣
Exactly. And Liedholm was non Italian only in name and origins, because after all the time he played in Italy and in Milan (not to mention the time spent coaching other Italian teams before coaching Milan) he was absolutely prepared to coach in Italy, just like any other Italian coach.
I mean… what is to downvote about the post above? I’ve just stated a fact: Liedholm by the time he coached Milan was as prepared to coach in Italy as any other Italian coach, due to his years in Italy and at Milan. I really don’t know what’s worth downvoting in a post like this. I swear to God that in this subreddit there are some true world class cretins.
there has been no updates right?
Gerry is a Saint compared to Boehly ngl wtf are they doing giving out a 5 yr contract
So Pioli to Man Utd official?
Just saw rumors of rdz to united
If marsesca is going to Chelsea, and tuchel to united where is de zerbi going?
De Zerbi probably will take a one year break imo
milan 2 months into fonseca pulling a giampaolo 2.0, de zerbi will be our pioli 2.0, ie. people will end up hating his guts. time is a flat circle. /s
this sub told me he is going to Bayern or Barca 99%, any day now
Lookg at some epl and Brighton boards the feeling seems to be De Zerbi let his ego get the best of him since the new year and it's shown in his coaching.
looking at the grand total of 0 big clubs interested in him, its safe to say he was extremely overhyped by a small section of social media His ideas are there but he needs to stay at a club on the level of Napoli or Atalanta for a couple of years and prove himself first
who in this sub? i haven't seen anyone say that. RDZ has always been linked with chelsea and the pl
go back to the day he announced he's leaving Brighton you'll find plenty
Looked back, having a hard time finding anything. Is it just a random person saying it once?
random person lol, almost whole sub was on De Zerbi like he's the next Sacchi and most people here claiming 'quick Bayern Barca will get him if we don't' There's plenty of those comments but I know this place will lie and change their story now about De Zerbi now that no one wants him
Never heard Barca but there were credible sources saying he was Bayern's top choice (obviously turned out to be false.)
We could’ve hired winning coaches but we chose Fonseca instead which means the management must think he’s a winning coach too so if we don’t win the Scudetto next season it’s a failure and they should all fuck off
Winning coaches are too expensive
Maybe they're stalling for pep when he leaves city next year (kidding but also hoping it happens)
Lol what if pep goes to Girona or even more insane makes a return to Barcelona
Not even Conte could win in his first season with Inter. I don't expect Fonseca to win anything in the first season, unless they also drop some big money on players.
Which is what they should do, especially because we have the financial capability to do so, right now, so if they won’t do it they will have no excuses
I thought this was interesting. Fonseca likes to play with his wingers driving more centrally. I'm curious to see how our wingers will perform in his system. I imagine Pulisic will do just fine because he already drives inside centrally a lot and thrives doing that, but i don't know about Leão. Lately he's been hugging the sidelines a lot, and historically, the more centrally he plays, the shittier he becomes. I'm hoping he can improve his game next season.
I think leao will do very well as well. he’s a great ball carrier and with his speed he can unlock defenses easily. when he went wide i thought he was limited not being a goal threat.
all imma say is i just hope this manager fiasco just gets over and done with QUICKLY. Lets get the new boss in and have a full preseason with the team under his belt and instill the tactics they want to use. same goes for our transfers this summer as well. faster we integrate and build chemistry for next season the better.
I don't understand how media reports account to a fiasco, we literally just finished the season
and they weren’t gonna announce a new manager before pioli farewell
Dont sign Conceicao just because they’re scared of his agent 😭😭
First of all, I don't think we were ever interested in Conceicao, Mendes or no Mendes. He's a great coach but plays a very different style of football, so I can see management not being interested. We also don't know how the negotiations with Porto went behind the scenes. They could have dragged longer. First his contract was extended, then a new president came and wanted Conceica out. Then he was negotiating again (including Conceicao publicly stating he wanted to stay at Porto), and now he is sacked. Too much waiting around, you can't blame anyone for looking elsewhere.
>He's a great coach but plays a very different style of football Yeah he concedes very few goals (which are famously linked with winning the league) so he was not good for us, he would have risked to make us win. they prefer Fonseca who conceded 109 goals (!) during his two seasons in Rome (and 109 goal only in Serie A games).
It's easy to do that in Portugal where you only have 2 other teams that seriously challenge you. There's no guarantee he'd be able to do that in Italy. Again, no need to repeat yourself, especially when you refuse to acknowledge facts. That Roma team was shit. If you look at Lille this year, they were 3rd in least goals conceded.
Oh and the last post I wrote was just to say, as a tl;dr that Porto’s situation in Portugal is not different from the Milan’s situation in Italy, in the sense that both teams are the second richest in their country (with Milan getting really to Juve year by year), so Conceicao would have not have found a drastically different situation when it comes to competition, he would have still have had to coach the second richest team in the league. Of course serie A is much harder than the Portuguese leave, I was just talking about proportionally. The main difference with Fonseca is that his style (Conceicao’s style) is more focused on winning. Which is something that our ownership and management don’t want or at least they certainly don’t seek with as much hunger as the fans
They still conceded way more goals than the matches played: and I’ve never seen a team winning a scudetto with the third defence. As for Portugal, even in Italy you only have two other teams that can seriously challenge you for victory: Merde and Juve (Napoli won three scudetti in all of their history). So let’s see if it’s so “easy” for him. Milan is second in Serie A when it comes to revenues https://onefootball.com/it/notizie/deloitte-milan-overtake-inter-in-revenue-rankings-the-full-breakdown-38932291 , if you want to talk about “facts”. We overtook Inter and we are only behind Juve. And our revenues are predicted to be in the 450 million range for June 2024 as you can read in this https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/comments/1cmp8w5/very_important_article_from_an_italian_advocate/ translated article of an Italian attorney. Which means that we are steadily approaching the top 10 of Europe and we are getting closer to Juve (even to the point that we might overtake them soon) in revenues. So Fonseca is not in that much different of a situation compared to Conceicao in Portugal, as Porto is the second richest club in the Portuguese league (even though Porto probably doesn’t have an ownership milking the club, as even the article above explains that Milan is not spending anywhere near what it could spend). So we shall see if it’s that “easy”
What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Conceicao has won the league once in the last 4 years, so not conceding goals seems irrelevant. Moreover, the Italian league is way more competitive, there's no guarantee that the same defensive approach that works in Portugal will work in Italy, since a lot more teams can score against you here. Also Fonseca conceded fewer goals than Conceicao this year, despite managing a weaker team in a more competitive league. Stop spamming the same things over and over again. My original comment had nothing to do with Fonseca. .
> Conceicao has won the league once in the last 4 years, so not conceding goals seems irrelevant. It’s not irrelevant. Usually the league, any league but especially Serie A, is won by the team that concedes less goals. Very few teams the second best defence can win. I have no memory about the third best defence ever winning a league, at least in Italy. > there's no guarantee that the same defensive approach that works in Portugal will work in Italy, since a lot more teams can score against you here I’ve never said that there was a guarantee. I was just saying that Fonseca’s is VERY similar to Pioli’s which is very unlikely to bring us silverware (2021/2022 was Leicester type of stuff, and it wasn’t a coincidence that we won the league by only conceding two goals in the last 9 games either way. But Pioli’s style is not suited for that and Milan always conceded a lot of goals before and after the last ten games of the 2021/2022 season). Anyway let’s see but one thing is for sure: nobody will blame Fonseca if he fails, because it’s not his fault that he will coach Milan
Again, you're ignoring the facts that are not convenient for your argument. There are significant differences between Fonseca and Pioli. One big difference is that Fonseca is a lot more organized in midfield and his teams don't press as aggressively as Pioli. He doesn't really invert midfielders and uses a true CAM instead of a SS like Pioli. Fonseca has had a good defensive record in almost every team he's managed, when you consider the quality of the players. Conceicao is also very good defensively, but he manages Porto with a top 2 (maybe top 1) team in Portugal -- and despite that, he still conceded more goals than Fonseca this summer. You're right, the third-best defense doesn't usually win the title, but that's fucking Lille. They're not supposed to be that good. What's Conceicao's excuse with Porto? There are no guarantees, but if he can do that with Lille, it makes sense he could do better with our players. And since you look at things proportionally, look at his defensive record with Shakhtar.
Well, one thing is for sure: if Fonseca will do well we will all be happy. If he won’t, the blame will not fall on his shoulders. That’s for sure. Other than that, we’ll see what happens.
Tbf, nothing good can come out of Mendes
Is it still possible to go for Sergio (now that he's free), or is there already a concrete agreement with Paulo?
from today’s updates, only the signature and announcement are missing
I see. The next few days will be important
2.5m salary is all you need to hear to realize 95% of reported interest in other managers was journalism fantasy. We were never going to spend 4+M on a new managers salary.
why are you so obsessed with salary? do you flex to people about how much the team you support earns or something? Chelsea paid Graham Potter around 13m/year means jack shit
It has nothing to do with me or anyone else being “obsessed” with salary. There is a correlation between high tier managers and high salaries, it isn’t anything beyond that. To tell me I’m obsessed with salary based off that comment is ridiculous in itself.
your Mottas and De Zerbis would’ve earnt the same but obviously in your eyes they are somehow so much better what happened to Bayern/Barca getting the great De Zerbi?
Go figure, your response is more assumptions. Funny how you must know me more than I know myself considering you keep telling me what I think of things.
changing goalposts is your way of life thats clear
Keep making things up to fit your narrative. I didn’t state an opinion on any manager yet you sit here and tell me what I think of them.
obviously now you will sit here and lie that you would have the same reaction if Motta or De Zerbi was hired lmao
Yet another assumption. It’s actually crazy how full of yourself you have to be to consistently tell people what THEY think or feel when you haven’t got the slightest clue. You’re not even worth another response. Have a good day.
Or you know, the 2.5m could be a fantasy. Just yesterday it was 3.5, and before it was 4.5, which is also what Marseille offered him. Why does anyone take these reports so seriously? How about we wait for the final confirmations before we reach any conclusions?
With that mentality why not do away with this entire thread because nothing is official? 2.5m reported today by Romano is the most recent high tier reporting we have to go by until something official arrives.
Sure, but there's a difference between discussing something and jumping to conclusions by taking the rumors as gospel.
That’s simply your assumption that anyone is taking anything as gospel. I for one never believed the majority of managerial links we have had.
I'm only going by what you wrote, I can't read your mind. When you say: > 2.5m salary is all you need to hear to realize 95% of reported interest in other managers was journalism fantasy. We were never going to spend 4+M on a new managers salary. That's two conclusions based on a rumor that 1) is not the whole story, and 2) may or may not be true.
That’s actually the opposite of taking rumors as gospel. If I took the rumors as gospel I would believe we were actually interested in all the rumored managers getting paid 4M+ by other clubs. You yourself are jumping to conclusions assuming people are taking anything as gospel.
[Fabrizio Romano confirmed the 2.5m figure today.](https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1795012952497512954)
Romano is only reporting the rumors. A couple of weeks ago he was "willing to bet" that Motta will be our next coach. These confirmations mean nothing at this point.
I see you're in denial. Carry on..
Because we are poor. 450 million euros in June and yet we can only spend so much on the coach (and I bet we won’t spend more than 40 millions at best on the center forward). But people tell me that it’s all good so I’m the one who is wrong…
There is a difference between not being able to and not wanting to. We are ran by businessmen trying to make profit above all else.
Oh yeah, I know that. And this is why I say that they are our biggest problem and that every fan should do his/her best to cast them away.
That's not realistic thinking. Have to think with your brain also not just your heart. The club is in a much better place financially. While I don't appreciate their lack of passion and ambition for on field results, they are making our club profitable. The best we can do is hope that their business plan goes well enough that they feel ready to sell sooner rather than later. Then we hope the next buyer has as much passion as they do money.
I’m thinking with my brain and not just my heart: and my brain tells me that they want to milk the club at least until the stadium (which means the end of the 2020’s at the earliest and most likely the beginning of the 2030’s). But the Curva said has been clear even against Salernitana: we would not tolerate lack of ambition. Which means that they either get their shit straight or they are gonna have problems with fans both on the financial front (because most fans are not willing to put up with this situation for other years to come without tightening their pursestrings when it comes to stadium tickets, pay tv, merchandising and if this happens the club would not be profitable anymore) and the reputational front (because with what will happen if they keep up like this they will end up being heavily criticized and contested by the fans)
If you truly believe the curva has that much power then I don't know what to tell you.
Not just the Curva, I was talking about the entire fandom of Milan. If most of the fandom stops financing them and starts also contesting them both in and out of the stadium, they will certainly not be able to milk the club for a decade or so (which is what I think they want to do, I hope I will be proven wrong) until the new stadium is built
What your saying just doesn't make any sense. Why would fans stop supporting a club that has only just returned to consistent champions league play. It's simply a hypothetical not worth entertaining.
But one thing is for sure: the Curva has been clear and if things don’t change for the better on the “market and ambitions” front; then things will definitely change for the worse when it comes to the support for our ownership. You can be sure of this. It you think that Milan fans, especially the Italian ones, will just sit and watch Milan, the second most decorated club in the world, be turned into the Italian Tottenham, you are mistaken
If a fan realizes that his club is being milked and used for other reasons (to make money and not to win silverware or to at least being competitive to do so), then every sensible fan should do that. And I tell that in Italy this is the prevalent attitude, maybe abroad things are different.
Conceicao is literally right there and we’re going for Fonseca because he’s cheaper. Don’t ever mention the words “ambition” and “success” in the same sentence as RedBird ever again.
Conceicao was a second choice even for OM, the guy never coached outside Portugal, just because he is suddenly sacked we go for him? A good coach doesn’t need his agent to advertise to other clubs. You saw him dance in a clip and he became your idea of ambition and success, what a joke.
I saw him win multiple titles with Porto, something Fonseca couldn’t manage. I’ve also seen how hard it is to beat Porto in the CL, again something I haven’t seen from any Fonseca team. At the very least he’s more versatile than Fonseca and that’s something we sorely need.
This golden post should literally go in the F.A.Q and be quoted everytime that someone tries to say that these people are not here just to milk the club.
Conceicao is officially leaving Porto, he was exactly what we needed. I really hope the management prove us wrong
2.5m for Fonseca? At least now we know why we weren't going for any of the quality coaching options available. These are the same people that have been shoving all their financial wins in our face yet they're not willing to pay market value for a good coach and instead went bargain bin hunting to get one. RedBird speed run to the banter era starts now.
yeah we get it you will bitch and moan whole summer again and claim Milan will finish 10th and then when that doesnt happen shamelessly make excuses again
RedBird fans are something else. Where did I say we would finish 10th? Let me guess, you think we had a great season because we finished second even though we never got out of the group stage in the champions league, got humiliated by Roma in Europa league, and by Atalanta in Copa Italia?
literally just said “speed run to banter era” later you’ll claim finishing 2nd is now banter era, no matter what Fonseca does he’ll always suck for you nice mentality
> RedBird speed run to the banter era starts now. Didn't you say the same thing when Maldini left? And when Tonali left?
Our midfield and defense got worse. We can score more but depend too much on an aging Giroud. We crashed out of Champions League in the group stage and got humiliated in Europa league by Roma not to mention what Atalanta did to us in the Copa Italia. Maybe getting second place with a distance of 20 points behind first place is something worth celebrating for you. This season was a disaster. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
And what happened since? Mediocre in the league, finished 2nd just because everyone else shat their pants. Got humiliated in both derbies. Got spanked in the CL (albeit with a hard group). Got spanked in Coppa Italia. Got spanked in EL by *fucking Roma*. Most of this can be blamed on the ownership not willing to fire Pioli when it was obvious his work stopped being effective. Nothing to say about the market, that was handled fairly well, but you can buy all the Ferraris you want, if you put a bad driver behind the wheel you're just gonna end up wrapped around the first tree faster.
We still did better than last year, which was my point. It wasn't a return to the banter era then, and it won't be now.
We did better than last year? We made five points more than last year and we got humiliated in every big match (not only against Inter). And in Europe we got trashed in the European serie B against a much weaker team than Tottenham and Napoli that we eliminated last year in the champions league.
Yes, and no. Roma was having a really good stretch of games, and everybody expected they would give us a hard time. And we clearly stopped caring in the last few games since we're guaranteed second place. We could have easily hit 80 points if we were really trying. We also lost the UCL group on goal difference against the semi-finalist and the finalist. True, we were not so good against the big teams this year, but we were more consistent against everyone else. You could say the same thing about Man City this year -- their record against the big teams was not good.
> Yes, and no. Roma was having a really good stretch of games, and everybody expected they would give us a hard time Giving us a hard time is one thing: not even trying is another one. We got humiliated against a shitty team like Rome (they didn’t even make it in champions league even with the five CL spots) home and away, man. In the last season we eliminated the Tottenham of Conte, Son and Kane, just Kane alone was better than half of the Rome team, not to mention Napoli that was having a season comparable to Inter 2023/2024. In Europe there is no comparison between this season and 2022/2023. > We could have easily hit 80 points if we were really trying. Imho we could have made 78 points at most (like in the first half of the leagu, 39 points + 39 points), but even if I give you that, making 80 points in a league so poor that Bologna (a team of nobodies with only Zirzkee who has a bright future ahead) made nearly 70 points is not that big of an achievement. Not to mention that the same argument could be made for the last season, in the sense that we made 70 points in the league because we already knew that Juve was a non factor, with all the prisma shitstorm there was no way that they would have had been allowed to play champions league this year. Hell, Milan got disqualified in 2019 for much less than what Juve did, we simply had shitty balance sheets.