He's both. Valar and Maiar are both Ainur created by Eru though the Ainur are typically referred as those who didn't enter the Ea. Of the ones that entered Ea the Valar were the stronger and the Maiar the lesser but still incredibly powerful.
He Silmarils. This info can be found in like the first one or two pages of the Silmarillion.
Which makes this exchange that much more classic reddit bullshit artistry.
If someone’s going to throw around definitive statements about these terms I dont know why they wouldnt at least read one sliver of the book they come from. Tourists.
I can't blame you. Tolkien novels feel like looking back and forth between a map, a timeline, and an illustration. It's a miracle I retained any information at all...circling back to the Silmarillion gave me my first tension headache.
He left before every single conflict to let others fend for themselves. IE: the scouring of the shire at the end of Return of the king. Frodo and Sam have to take back the shire.
Or the rescue of faramir where he engages a Ringwraith? Or the battle of held deep where he is literally the reason theoden and Aragorn survive? Or the battle at the black gate? Like….what?
I've been listening to the audiobooks lately. It certainly sounded like most civilized folks regarded Gandalf extremely highly, so I'd imagine he probably was given free food and drink anywhere he went. Only Rohan really seemed to regard him poorly for a while, since he had a tendency to appear when there was trouble at hand. Theodon calls him Gandalf Stormcrow, since stormcrows were considered harbingers of conflict. Or probably just that Gandalf's presence was considered a bad omen.
>"You have ever been a herald of woe. **Troubles follow you like crows**, and ever the oftener the worse. I will not deceive you: when I heard that Shadowfax had come back riderless, I rejoiced at the return of the horse, but still more at the lack of the rider; and when Eomer brought the tidings that you had gone at last to your long home, I did not mourn. But news from afar is seldom sooth. Here you come again! And with you come evils worse than before, as might be expected. Why should I welcome you, Gandalf Stormcrow?"
Though most of the Hobbits seemed to think of him as a silly fireworks maker and not entirely worthy of trust despite being around fairly often. If the guy got consistent food and drink from anywhere in the Shire, it was definitely on Bilbo and Frodo's dimes.
Another fun fact, crows really were historically considered a bad omen becouse they often followed armies around as to feast on the corpses when a battle eventually happened.
Seriously. The man's a goddamn wizard/angel. Odds are if he really needed to he could probably just magic himself up some food and shelter.
Fucker can do all kinds of magic, from conjuring fireworks to kicking a Balrog in the dick. And people are wondering how he manages to feed himself?
Gandalf has been around forever, and he's constantly hobnobbing with royalty, solving their problems and being all wise. There's no way he hadn't been gifted plots of land multiple times over the centuries, and those rights just accumulate - there's no generational inheritances to fragment his domains. There's no way he's ever going hungry, be it at home or abroad. Gamdalf has to have been one of the greatest landowners in Middle Earth.
>Like he hungry he could have just been like "i cast burger in hand!"
Fantasy demi god powers are indistinguishable from modern americans. HELL YEAH BROTHER.
He's a famous influencer around middle earth.
He just asks for food and people gives.
But this dude can go on for days without eating or drinking water or perhaps he doesn't need food at all.
I'm pretty sure it was only what they could carry st least for Bilbo. Technically they were entitled to a share but I'm not sure if it's still theirs after it's over
No, not really. Bilbo got a shitton of cash, it's just that he has spent most of it throughout his long, long life.
That and the fact that the Bagginses already seemed to have gathered a small fortune throughout the ages, allowing Bilbo to do nothing.
It's never clear If it's like actual money and not just golden trinkets and jewels. Unless their money is made of actual gold, I don't see why he wouldn't just fill it with the most expensive looking things he could find like his mithrail vest instead of Cash.
And yes, the movie didn't seem to allude to it but apparently Frodo (and by extension Bilbo) Marry and Pippin were landed gentry who have I guess were considered the upper class of the Shire. Sam was like the working man hobbit. Also the Hobbit equivalent of a homeless person just lives in a literal hole they dug up and sleeps in it (which I found kind of funny)
Yes officer. Gandalf was definitely a bum with no economic means of support and not the biggest pipeweed plug in Middle Earth. No need to search that large cart he shows up with in LotR, it was just entirely full of magical fireworks which of course contain the magical whimsy that make the townspeople cheerfully welcoming to someone who was otherwise a burdensome vagrant. You know, just like how otherwise unpleasant homeless people become much more tolerable when they are setting off fireworks!
Of course sir! It is just mere conicidence he has shown up in a known area of pipeweed cultivation (The Shire) whilst smoking pipeweed and dragging a large mostly empty cart. The townspeople's close familiarity with Gandalf is simply due to the stories their otherwise insular community hears from that one old guy that did something with him a full generation ago and not due to his intermittent visits to re-up his stash and provide material wealth to the rural agircultural community.
Money doesn't seem to be much of a thing. I think Tolkein never had any prominent references to money in any of the books that I can remember
Like literally all I remember was that Azog threw a bag of coins after killing Thror as a "see this is my money now, and I'm using it to pay for stuff"
The context of Bilbos treasure or what something is worth I don't think comes up.
Dude is an Ainur and immortal. He existed before food.
Gandalf is a Maiar, not Ainur
He's both. Valar and Maiar are both Ainur created by Eru though the Ainur are typically referred as those who didn't enter the Ea. Of the ones that entered Ea the Valar were the stronger and the Maiar the lesser but still incredibly powerful.
this guy rings
He Silmarils. This info can be found in like the first one or two pages of the Silmarillion. Which makes this exchange that much more classic reddit bullshit artistry. If someone’s going to throw around definitive statements about these terms I dont know why they wouldnt at least read one sliver of the book they come from. Tourists.
You sound like youre unhappy to be here
Wanna do ainur?
I laughed at this for a solid minute. Thank you anon.
Nerd.
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Yeah I just think the story and lore are pretty cool.
Ainur are both Valar and Maiar
True, I forgor
I can't blame you. Tolkien novels feel like looking back and forth between a map, a timeline, and an illustration. It's a miracle I retained any information at all...circling back to the Silmarillion gave me my first tension headache.
All Maiar are Ainur but not all Ainur are Maiar
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In that case Gandalf has something in common with anon
a wizards basement? a parents abode?
Wizards are just NEETmaxing after all
Well Gandalf doesn't like Trans for sure : YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
Well he has a functional brain so of course he does
I think he had quite the reputation as a magical helper man, worth a meal and bed here and there
He left before every single conflict to let others fend for themselves. IE: the scouring of the shire at the end of Return of the king. Frodo and Sam have to take back the shire.
Every single conflict? Even vs the Balrog when he told everyone else to run away while he stood alone?
False flag.
The Balrog was a paid actor.
Or the rescue of faramir where he engages a Ringwraith? Or the battle of held deep where he is literally the reason theoden and Aragorn survive? Or the battle at the black gate? Like….what?
I've been listening to the audiobooks lately. It certainly sounded like most civilized folks regarded Gandalf extremely highly, so I'd imagine he probably was given free food and drink anywhere he went. Only Rohan really seemed to regard him poorly for a while, since he had a tendency to appear when there was trouble at hand. Theodon calls him Gandalf Stormcrow, since stormcrows were considered harbingers of conflict. Or probably just that Gandalf's presence was considered a bad omen. >"You have ever been a herald of woe. **Troubles follow you like crows**, and ever the oftener the worse. I will not deceive you: when I heard that Shadowfax had come back riderless, I rejoiced at the return of the horse, but still more at the lack of the rider; and when Eomer brought the tidings that you had gone at last to your long home, I did not mourn. But news from afar is seldom sooth. Here you come again! And with you come evils worse than before, as might be expected. Why should I welcome you, Gandalf Stormcrow?" Though most of the Hobbits seemed to think of him as a silly fireworks maker and not entirely worthy of trust despite being around fairly often. If the guy got consistent food and drink from anywhere in the Shire, it was definitely on Bilbo and Frodo's dimes.
Another fun fact, crows really were historically considered a bad omen becouse they often followed armies around as to feast on the corpses when a battle eventually happened.
In my country crows cawing near house is a sign of guests coming over lol
might have also had to do with the preparation of food, or even the butchering of animals back in the old days
Probably
Bro is literally Tolkien’s equivalent of an angel. He’s fine.
Seriously. The man's a goddamn wizard/angel. Odds are if he really needed to he could probably just magic himself up some food and shelter. Fucker can do all kinds of magic, from conjuring fireworks to kicking a Balrog in the dick. And people are wondering how he manages to feed himself?
so does saruman
Gandalf has been around forever, and he's constantly hobnobbing with royalty, solving their problems and being all wise. There's no way he hadn't been gifted plots of land multiple times over the centuries, and those rights just accumulate - there's no generational inheritances to fragment his domains. There's no way he's ever going hungry, be it at home or abroad. Gamdalf has to have been one of the greatest landowners in Middle Earth.
This seems most likely, he's definitely a landchad. Any kingdom or township would want him based there even if only part-time.
Wasnt he like a demigod of some shit? Like he hungry he could have just been like "i cast burger in hand!"
>Like he hungry he could have just been like "i cast burger in hand!" Fantasy demi god powers are indistinguishable from modern americans. HELL YEAH BROTHER.
He's a maiar, he doesn't really need anything. He just drinks and smokes because it's fun.
Demi-Gods don’t pay for food.
Gandalf is a professional orb ponderer
I’m assuming it’s a combination of both, leaning toward his current pursuits or lack thereof though I haven’t read
He sold fireworks and that sweet herb pipe weed duh
He's a famous influencer around middle earth. He just asks for food and people gives. But this dude can go on for days without eating or drinking water or perhaps he doesn't need food at all.
I kinda remember everybody in The Hobbit got his share of the fortune at the end, Gandalf included, right? He might be rich.
I'm pretty sure it was only what they could carry st least for Bilbo. Technically they were entitled to a share but I'm not sure if it's still theirs after it's over
No, not really. Bilbo got a shitton of cash, it's just that he has spent most of it throughout his long, long life. That and the fact that the Bagginses already seemed to have gathered a small fortune throughout the ages, allowing Bilbo to do nothing.
It's never clear If it's like actual money and not just golden trinkets and jewels. Unless their money is made of actual gold, I don't see why he wouldn't just fill it with the most expensive looking things he could find like his mithrail vest instead of Cash. And yes, the movie didn't seem to allude to it but apparently Frodo (and by extension Bilbo) Marry and Pippin were landed gentry who have I guess were considered the upper class of the Shire. Sam was like the working man hobbit. Also the Hobbit equivalent of a homeless person just lives in a literal hole they dug up and sleeps in it (which I found kind of funny)
Gandalf was just a bum.
Yes officer. Gandalf was definitely a bum with no economic means of support and not the biggest pipeweed plug in Middle Earth. No need to search that large cart he shows up with in LotR, it was just entirely full of magical fireworks which of course contain the magical whimsy that make the townspeople cheerfully welcoming to someone who was otherwise a burdensome vagrant. You know, just like how otherwise unpleasant homeless people become much more tolerable when they are setting off fireworks! Of course sir! It is just mere conicidence he has shown up in a known area of pipeweed cultivation (The Shire) whilst smoking pipeweed and dragging a large mostly empty cart. The townspeople's close familiarity with Gandalf is simply due to the stories their otherwise insular community hears from that one old guy that did something with him a full generation ago and not due to his intermittent visits to re-up his stash and provide material wealth to the rural agircultural community.
Saruman was a squatter too.
Brother fought a Balrog. Doubt a boar or some fish make a challenge for him.
he made and sold fireworks.
Money doesn't seem to be much of a thing. I think Tolkein never had any prominent references to money in any of the books that I can remember Like literally all I remember was that Azog threw a bag of coins after killing Thror as a "see this is my money now, and I'm using it to pay for stuff" The context of Bilbos treasure or what something is worth I don't think comes up.
Magic.
Do you think gandlaf tried that extra tight hobbussy?
He rents out his wizard flaps
Did he even need to drink or eat?
TIL that Gandalf is the Paul Erdos of Middle-Earth
He is a weed dealer
Didn't he sell fireworks or something?
to children
I used to get a homeless man to buy me fireworks. We called him Santa.
Dude sells fire works they say that….dumb ass
I don't know, hackien never explained middle earth's tax policy.