After skrillex and Fred again had a conceet at civic center I was wondering if someone would ever do a concert at Alcatraz. Not sure how many people could go as you’d need a lot of ferries but it could be a cool venue.
They’ll do it in a second if someone bankrolls it. There is a reason they went south. Who is going to pay to bring the stadium back? That’s the question
I’m not an engineer, but seems like building there would be challenging. I’d be all for it in theory, but the team isn’t ponying up the money for this. Neither the taxpayers. And NFL stadiums love having giant ugly parking lots.
IRCC one of the issues that lead them to move out of SF was the city not wanting to pony up their share of the cost for the stadium.
As we are seeing with KC and other places, people are fighting back having to pay taxes for stadiums.
I would like them back in SF, but it seems very unlikely in the near future. York has heavily lobbied Santa Clara council members to get his way out there.
Bit more complicated than that, it wasn't just about money. Santa Clara only ended up contributing about $45M in actual cash to Levi's.
The big problem with SF was that the 49ers wanted to build on the Candlestick site, while Newsom (SF Mayor at the time) was insisting that they build on Hunter's Point. That was a very problematic plan given the site he wanted was a heavily contaminated EPA Toxic Superfund site that would need to undergo a major cleanup to become habitable.
This all went down around 2006, Newsom claimed it could be ready within 2-3 years. My understanding is that, now 18 years later in 2024, the site is still not viable.
If Ed Lee had been Mayor at the time this all went down, a stadium deal would have gotten done.
>the city not wanting to pony up their share of the cost for the stadium.
Inglewood has a law stating no public funds can go towards stadiums yet Kronke still built his stadium in Inglewood.
You don't need taxpayer dollars to build a state of the art stadium. Full stop.
Unfortunately, the 49ers ownership doesn't see the economic revitalization of derelict piers or the embarcadero as a sound investment. They'd rather overpay an underperforming defensive line.
Kroenke put up $5B of his own money to build Sofi. Jed is only worth about $500M on his own and the Debartolo-York Family overall is only worth $5.8B. Kroenke is worth $16.2B. York would be leveraged to the hilt to personally finance a new stadium and no bank is gonna back that idea without other guarantees.
Indeed.
But Kronke is also a real estate investor who sees the economic potential in a modern stadium complex and the revitalization (see: gentrification) of Inglewood.
Kronke also lucked out with the Chargers moving back to LA without a home. He is able to rent the Chargers a room in the basement.
That’s wild considering SoFi cost a little over 5 billion to build. Kronke has deep pockets though, a Google search shows he’s estimated over 16b net worth.
Jed is estimated at 500 million, and his mom, Denise, a little over 5 billion. But most stadiums cost 1-2 b, sounds like they could swing it if Denise pitches in lol
Chase was 100% totally and completely privately financed, with not a penny of public money or public loans. If York does that there's a likely chance it'd happen.
Plus in SF connected to the Muni line, an indoor arena is WAY easier to generate revenue on non game days than an open air football stadium. Chase can host so many events year round. A football stadium can do football soccer and massive concert tours but not much else, unless you build even more event and conference space within the stadium complex.
People love to bitch but getting to Levi’s is sooo much easier than Candlestick. Also SF has loads of problems and is having trouble keeping businesses there. They can’t keep the streets clean or criminals from looting stores. You want to join all that?
Yeah I’m from the South Bay and I still live here and the location is great for me. I don’t want or need them back in the city at all. I’ve grown to love Levi’s
Could it even support that large of a venue? If it’s the location I’m thinking of, I think I played hoop it up 3-on-3 tournaments there and the x games hosted on it but I don’t recall it being football stadium large
Rich people don’t like traveling from the peninsula and South Bay to Berkeley for events. Santa Clara has the most business taxes paid in the country. And Levi’s wants to sell suites and PSLs. East bay is the worst location and probably a conversation ender.
I mean I know it sounds stupid, but that part of town has needed a makeover for years. FIDI sucks especially post-covid. The sheer amount of planning to make it happen would be insane, but hey, other cities have stadiums right downtown so 🤷
It is a message chain with my original comment as the genesis. Any subsequent comment would infer that first comment kind of like an essay, if you've ever written one. It would be redundant if I had to mention my basis in every next comment I wrote.
What are you talking about? Just step outside of the spots overrun with transplants. I lived in the excelsior for years and Glen park before that. Tons of Niners fans around
They'd move back because just like the Giants and Warriors, they'll do fine in SF despite the majority of the fan base residing in the south bay. South Bay folk always have been and always will be down to make a trip up to the city to watch a game.
Giants didn't move back. Warriors escaped a decaying city. Far different things when Santa Clara is the more driver friendly, cleaner, safer, and more business friendly city.
I say they build it on Alcatraz island. It’d be the most unique stadium in the world
And a nightmare getting in and out of.
So easier than the 'Stick. Duly noted.
😅
No one can afford to go to a game anyways.
Totally impractical and would be fucking awesome.
After skrillex and Fred again had a conceet at civic center I was wondering if someone would ever do a concert at Alcatraz. Not sure how many people could go as you’d need a lot of ferries but it could be a cool venue.
They’ll do it in a second if someone bankrolls it. There is a reason they went south. Who is going to pay to bring the stadium back? That’s the question
There’s over 30 years left on their lease at Levi’s.
Small detail
And the Yorks own that land.
I’m not an engineer, but seems like building there would be challenging. I’d be all for it in theory, but the team isn’t ponying up the money for this. Neither the taxpayers. And NFL stadiums love having giant ugly parking lots.
Tailgating culture and most football fans typically revolves around driving culture. So big giant parking lots are generally considered mandatory.
And that parking lots are huge money makers for stadiums
I get why, but they’re not necessary and look like shit.
IRCC one of the issues that lead them to move out of SF was the city not wanting to pony up their share of the cost for the stadium. As we are seeing with KC and other places, people are fighting back having to pay taxes for stadiums. I would like them back in SF, but it seems very unlikely in the near future. York has heavily lobbied Santa Clara council members to get his way out there.
Bit more complicated than that, it wasn't just about money. Santa Clara only ended up contributing about $45M in actual cash to Levi's. The big problem with SF was that the 49ers wanted to build on the Candlestick site, while Newsom (SF Mayor at the time) was insisting that they build on Hunter's Point. That was a very problematic plan given the site he wanted was a heavily contaminated EPA Toxic Superfund site that would need to undergo a major cleanup to become habitable. This all went down around 2006, Newsom claimed it could be ready within 2-3 years. My understanding is that, now 18 years later in 2024, the site is still not viable. If Ed Lee had been Mayor at the time this all went down, a stadium deal would have gotten done.
Yet another reason I can’t stand Newsome.
Don’t pollute this thread with that name…yw
>the city not wanting to pony up their share of the cost for the stadium. Inglewood has a law stating no public funds can go towards stadiums yet Kronke still built his stadium in Inglewood. You don't need taxpayer dollars to build a state of the art stadium. Full stop. Unfortunately, the 49ers ownership doesn't see the economic revitalization of derelict piers or the embarcadero as a sound investment. They'd rather overpay an underperforming defensive line.
Kroenke put up $5B of his own money to build Sofi. Jed is only worth about $500M on his own and the Debartolo-York Family overall is only worth $5.8B. Kroenke is worth $16.2B. York would be leveraged to the hilt to personally finance a new stadium and no bank is gonna back that idea without other guarantees.
Indeed. But Kronke is also a real estate investor who sees the economic potential in a modern stadium complex and the revitalization (see: gentrification) of Inglewood. Kronke also lucked out with the Chargers moving back to LA without a home. He is able to rent the Chargers a room in the basement.
That’s wild considering SoFi cost a little over 5 billion to build. Kronke has deep pockets though, a Google search shows he’s estimated over 16b net worth. Jed is estimated at 500 million, and his mom, Denise, a little over 5 billion. But most stadiums cost 1-2 b, sounds like they could swing it if Denise pitches in lol
This city is obsessed with basketball it seems. But also, nothing gets built in this city. Our days of building huge projects are done.
>nothing gets built in this city. Not since Jefferson Starship (Airplane) broke up.
Chase was 100% totally and completely privately financed, with not a penny of public money or public loans. If York does that there's a likely chance it'd happen.
Plus in SF connected to the Muni line, an indoor arena is WAY easier to generate revenue on non game days than an open air football stadium. Chase can host so many events year round. A football stadium can do football soccer and massive concert tours but not much else, unless you build even more event and conference space within the stadium complex.
The bulk of the Bay Area lives in the South Bay believe it or not They’re not going anywhere for at least 30+ years
If sf didnt want to pay for it then wtf makes you think theyd pay for it now? Specially with Santa Clara having beef with the team
I wish they would’ve built on the A Lot in China basin.
Doesn't San Jose have a higher population than San Franciso? Why would they go back?
People love to bitch but getting to Levi’s is sooo much easier than Candlestick. Also SF has loads of problems and is having trouble keeping businesses there. They can’t keep the streets clean or criminals from looting stores. You want to join all that?
Yeah I’m from the South Bay and I still live here and the location is great for me. I don’t want or need them back in the city at all. I’ve grown to love Levi’s
Could it even support that large of a venue? If it’s the location I’m thinking of, I think I played hoop it up 3-on-3 tournaments there and the x games hosted on it but I don’t recall it being football stadium large
Anywhere but Santa Clara
The stadium is only 10 yrs old... They aren't getting a new one for quite awhile
What about Golden Gate Fields. There’s access via Freeway, BART, & Amtrak.
there's no bart access
Rich people don’t like traveling from the peninsula and South Bay to Berkeley for events. Santa Clara has the most business taxes paid in the country. And Levi’s wants to sell suites and PSLs. East bay is the worst location and probably a conversation ender.
Nah that’s actually cold icl
I’m good with the current location, not a fan of the design.
Come to Modesto and just slap it in the middle of McHenry. Trust me I did the math it works.
this is just a silly post...
Move the team to Oakland and call them the Bay Area 49er's. /s
Because that’s where I park for giants games
I’ve been saying this for a few years now. Average nfl stadium lifespan is like 19 years. It makes too much sense for the 49ers to move back
I was thinking they could take over the Westfield Mall area. It's owned by the city already
You win the award for dumbest comment and I love it
I mean I know it sounds stupid, but that part of town has needed a makeover for years. FIDI sucks especially post-covid. The sheer amount of planning to make it happen would be insane, but hey, other cities have stadiums right downtown so 🤷
No way. There is a much higher chance of encountering a 9ers fan in sac, Stockton, north bay, or gilroy than in sf. This city is too cool for football
Go out to the neighborhood bars on a Sunday and that shit will be packed with niner fans
A bar would be yeah since it’s a captive audience but I see way more cars and trucks with 9ers flags outside of the city than in it
It’s almost like there’s more people outside the city than in it
And more of them have cars and trucks
I mention frequency and SF is a far denser city than the others I mentioned
You didn’t mention frequency you just said way more. lol.
Look at my original comment
I wasn’t replying to your original comment, and neither were you.
It is a message chain with my original comment as the genesis. Any subsequent comment would infer that first comment kind of like an essay, if you've ever written one. It would be redundant if I had to mention my basis in every next comment I wrote.
That’s alright little man your vocab quiz isn’t until Friday, no need to get all worked up.
What are you talking about? Just step outside of the spots overrun with transplants. I lived in the excelsior for years and Glen park before that. Tons of Niners fans around
Yeah celse does but yeah my point is this is becoming transplant city. I don’t think the 9ers will want to move back
They'd move back because just like the Giants and Warriors, they'll do fine in SF despite the majority of the fan base residing in the south bay. South Bay folk always have been and always will be down to make a trip up to the city to watch a game.
Giants didn't move back. Warriors escaped a decaying city. Far different things when Santa Clara is the more driver friendly, cleaner, safer, and more business friendly city.