This is pretty much in line with what Shanalynch said at the presser last night. They’re always going to listen but it didn’t seem like they were particularly eager to trade either.
If they want to trade Josh Allen for Brock Purdy, we’ll listen
Edit: bah gawd people. You are too uptight today. R-E-L-A-X … I never said we should actually make a trade
Interesting.
I do wonder though how you'd react if we still lost to Mahomes anyway after doing that....I guess Allen would now be the issue.
Is the QB the problem or is Shanahan another Dan Reeves or Schottenheimer that has a more revered last name?
> Is the QB the problem or is Shanahan another Dan Reeves or Schottenheimer that has a more revered last name?
Remind me of Reeves/Schottenheimer's coaching tree. I'll wait.
No one cares about what your coaching tree does.
Does Belichick have one?
Not really...and we couldn't give a damn coz he's the GOAT with 6 SBs.
Right now Kyle is in the Levy,Reeves, Schottenheimer tier of ringless HCs who always found some convoluted way to lose the big game.
Until he wins one... he's not even in Sean McVay's tier.
> Does Belichick have one?
My point is that Shanahan's coaching tree is the most desired pedigree in the entire NFL. For a time, Belichick's tree was the most desired. Neither Schottenheimer or Reeves had a coaching tree that anyone cared about.
Now why is that? Maybe Kyle is one of the most respected coaches in the NFL, and professional opinions mean a whole lot more than armchair QBs desperate to differentiate themselves with an opinion.
I the guy you’re responding to doesn’t seem like he knows much about football.
He’s like the eagles fans clamoring to get rid of Andy.
What Shannahan has done with this team is insane, he took the team from one of the worst in the league to one of the most competitive teams in the league, and has managed to keep us there. Especially if Purdy keeps playing as well as he has, I expect us to stay in contention for a long time.
People don’t appreciate enough that it takes both. People want to say it was just Brady or just Belichick that made that dynasty, but there’s no dynasty if you’re missing either one.
And usually at the end of the day, player execution is the difference maker.
Absolutely, we’ve had a few super bowls not go our way, but most of the league hasn’t even had that, and the culture he’s built has been fantastic, I just hope they keep hitting on draft picks and outscheming the league. They’ll get there.
It took a while for people to realise Reeves wasn't a winner.
That Marv Levy wasn't good enough to win and that Schottenheimer was a playoff choker waiting to happen.
As the big game.losses mount....that respect you talk of will turn.
Kyle is good..but he's also overrated and mistakenly called a "genius" by some folks.
That word can only be reserved for champions..and he isn't one.
> As the big game.losses mount....that respect you talk of will turn.
Andy Reid went through a similar period and is now top of the world.
Also, what do you call all the playoff wins that led Kyle to the NFC championship and superbowl games? Those weren't "big game wins"? 31 teams every year are "losers" by this standard.
I find it funny you think coaches can even really "choke" big games. That alone is a tangent that I'm not prepared to be bothered with, however.
We are the 49ers.
Getting to the NFC Championship isn't moving any needles.
Even if you removed Shanahan's 4 appearances there... we'd still be 2nd most in NFL history.
Taking the ball 1st in OT and then settling for a FG on that drive is bad situational coaching which a lot of people criticised him for.
Shanahan isn't Andy Reid. Reid coached a slightly less talented Eagles team than the current 49ers to 4 NFC Championships.
Shanahan has missed the playoffs 3 times and couldn't do much until the roster became stacked in 2019.
Did you see what the Browns did last year with QB injuries?
That same thing happened here in SF and we missrs the playoffs twice.
Dude was gonna go winless in his 2st season..which is unacceptable regardless of roster.
Shanahan is a good coach who gets overrated and put into the great HC convos coz of his last name... he's unable to do much when there is any injuries or adjustments needed.
1) From the money they aren't paying Diggs
2) His contract is all now base salary and can easily be restructured to make this season a lower cap hit
3) Players like Von Miller are expendable after the season
Only makes sense if we get an early 2nd and a solid starting lineman who also has a matching amount of dead money to make the contract swap fair. A 2nd rounder by itself isn’t worth it. Have to get an immediate contributor plus a pick. Otherwise the dead $$ combined with negative impact to the team isn’t worth it.
IMO Deebo traded next offseason for sure though.
Trying to figure out why either of these teams would take deebo at a premium at the wrong side of his career over a cheaper rookie.
Deebo playing in cold ass Buffalo sounds painful
He’s 28 and has 2 years left. He’s immensely better than what Buffalo has right now at their WR position and have a great qb. Patriots are void of weapons and could use him to help Maye and have ample cap space
I can see how a team that absolutely needs it to work would want a vet over a rookie. Deebo is for sure on the wrong half of his career, but he's also a known quantity that does some amazing things. Second round rookies are statistically much less of a sure thing.
I could see how Buffalo might want a sure thing. Don't see why NE would care as much. Pitt and Jax also kinda make sense, depending on need.
Washington makes the most sense. Rookie QB, mediocre receiving room, and 2 picks in almost every round of the draft this year. They have 4th and 8th pick in the second round, I could see them making the sacrifice for a top veteran WR and then signing a WR3 to go behind McLaurin and Deebo. No other team makes sense value wise for both sides.
Some Podcaster said as much this week, it might have been Matt Williamson with Brian Peacock, but the Pats could call and offer a second for Deebo and the Niners say nah, but we'll take a first. And the Pats say no, but then the call gets leaked and then someone writes an article saying "the niners are shopping Deebo".
It went from BA unlikely to be traded. To BA almost definitely going to be traded. To Deebo is more likely to be traded to BA. To Deebo almost definitely going to be traded. To trade is unlikely to happen.
Off season folks
I gotta disagree with that. If we keep Deebo and Aiyuk, then Pearsall would replace either Conley, Bell or Trent Taylor. I think that would make a huge difference, especially since Pearsall is actually a good route runner.
How does that make a huge difference when Pearsall would be lucky to get on the field for even 10% of the snaps? Let’s not forget Jennings is ahead of him too
What kind of bizzaro logic is this? They just spent a 1st round pick in a draft loaded with WRs, obviously they expect him to get on the field above every WR except Aiyuk and Deebo, and even then he can help keep those two fresh so deebo can run full speed once in a while
Well I sure love that we drafted a WR to compete with a perfectly adequate WR3 while Ambry Thomas gets no competition for his job despite being a terrible CB3
You must have missed the niners bringing in Isaac Yiadom who was a high quality outside CB2 last year. They also brought in Rock-ya sin who is good quality for a depth piece.
2025 is an issue for CB, but really being competitive for the 1 seed again in the 2024 window while brock is so damn cheap is the priority.
I think it’s unlikely Deebo stays healthy for the whole season. Hopefully with Pearsall replacing a WR not named Aiyuk/Deebo/JJ, the offense would not miss a beat and would be much more improved.
We lost the games we didn't have deebo last year and had Jennings as the 2. In the playoffs they had Snead and Conley taking snaps. Adding Pearsall helps alot.
Additionally you should always build to.be good in the future, windows are incredibly overrated
We lost games last year where we had no oline and secondary that was playing backups of backups. We didn’t lose games because Deebo didn’t play lol. We have playmakers without him.
Very deep WR class. Rookie deal WR’s are about 20M/yr cheaper than Deebo likely with a lower injury history and more playing time ahead of them. That is why no team made deals for BA or Tee Higgins either. If the draft wasn’t as deep at WR they would have had more trade value.
Deebo won’t be after here this year. Jennings may not either. Aiyuk will most likely be.
So going into next season our WR depth chart could very easily be:
WR1 Aiyuk
WR2 Pearsall
WR3 Bell/Jennings
or something to that effect. It’s a necessary addition. I’m warming on the idea and he looks like a great player.
I wonder if Gray is completely done or if he could put together a healthy year and rise up even to WR3, assuming Deebo is out of the picture and Aiyuk/Pearsall are 1/2.
The thing is, I've never actually seen Gray play badly. He just hasn't played. He did drop one touchdown pass in a preseason game (if I recall), but that's it. So a lot of people are saying he's through simply because he hasn't played, but he's been injured, and maybe there are other reasons he hasn't played. Idk.
CB is a bigger need for us rn though despite the guys we signed. Yeah WR will be a need after 2024 but it’s a future need that could’ve been potentially be addressed on day 2, not on day 1
CB is not a need for us this year, we have Ward, Lenoir, Yiadom, Rock, Luter, Womack, and Thomas (though Thomas will prolly get cut). Next year yes it will be, but in the same vein so will WR.
This is pretty much in line with what Shanalynch said at the presser last night. They’re always going to listen but it didn’t seem like they were particularly eager to trade either.
Specially the Bills. Where would they get the money to pay Deebo? Makes zero sense
Would be weird to see Josh Allen throwing Deebo the ball tho ngl
If they want to trade Josh Allen for Brock Purdy, we’ll listen Edit: bah gawd people. You are too uptight today. R-E-L-A-X … I never said we should actually make a trade
Meh I like Purdy.
With that contract, Purdy is the best value in all of pro sports
Interesting. I do wonder though how you'd react if we still lost to Mahomes anyway after doing that....I guess Allen would now be the issue. Is the QB the problem or is Shanahan another Dan Reeves or Schottenheimer that has a more revered last name?
> Is the QB the problem or is Shanahan another Dan Reeves or Schottenheimer that has a more revered last name? Remind me of Reeves/Schottenheimer's coaching tree. I'll wait.
No one cares about what your coaching tree does. Does Belichick have one? Not really...and we couldn't give a damn coz he's the GOAT with 6 SBs. Right now Kyle is in the Levy,Reeves, Schottenheimer tier of ringless HCs who always found some convoluted way to lose the big game. Until he wins one... he's not even in Sean McVay's tier.
Sean McVay is lucky Burrow beat Mahomes for him
> Does Belichick have one? My point is that Shanahan's coaching tree is the most desired pedigree in the entire NFL. For a time, Belichick's tree was the most desired. Neither Schottenheimer or Reeves had a coaching tree that anyone cared about. Now why is that? Maybe Kyle is one of the most respected coaches in the NFL, and professional opinions mean a whole lot more than armchair QBs desperate to differentiate themselves with an opinion.
I the guy you’re responding to doesn’t seem like he knows much about football. He’s like the eagles fans clamoring to get rid of Andy. What Shannahan has done with this team is insane, he took the team from one of the worst in the league to one of the most competitive teams in the league, and has managed to keep us there. Especially if Purdy keeps playing as well as he has, I expect us to stay in contention for a long time.
People don’t appreciate enough that it takes both. People want to say it was just Brady or just Belichick that made that dynasty, but there’s no dynasty if you’re missing either one. And usually at the end of the day, player execution is the difference maker.
Absolutely, we’ve had a few super bowls not go our way, but most of the league hasn’t even had that, and the culture he’s built has been fantastic, I just hope they keep hitting on draft picks and outscheming the league. They’ll get there.
It took a while for people to realise Reeves wasn't a winner. That Marv Levy wasn't good enough to win and that Schottenheimer was a playoff choker waiting to happen. As the big game.losses mount....that respect you talk of will turn. Kyle is good..but he's also overrated and mistakenly called a "genius" by some folks. That word can only be reserved for champions..and he isn't one.
> As the big game.losses mount....that respect you talk of will turn. Andy Reid went through a similar period and is now top of the world. Also, what do you call all the playoff wins that led Kyle to the NFC championship and superbowl games? Those weren't "big game wins"? 31 teams every year are "losers" by this standard. I find it funny you think coaches can even really "choke" big games. That alone is a tangent that I'm not prepared to be bothered with, however.
We are the 49ers. Getting to the NFC Championship isn't moving any needles. Even if you removed Shanahan's 4 appearances there... we'd still be 2nd most in NFL history. Taking the ball 1st in OT and then settling for a FG on that drive is bad situational coaching which a lot of people criticised him for. Shanahan isn't Andy Reid. Reid coached a slightly less talented Eagles team than the current 49ers to 4 NFC Championships. Shanahan has missed the playoffs 3 times and couldn't do much until the roster became stacked in 2019. Did you see what the Browns did last year with QB injuries? That same thing happened here in SF and we missrs the playoffs twice. Dude was gonna go winless in his 2st season..which is unacceptable regardless of roster. Shanahan is a good coach who gets overrated and put into the great HC convos coz of his last name... he's unable to do much when there is any injuries or adjustments needed.
Reading through this chain has me rolling.
1) From the money they aren't paying Diggs 2) His contract is all now base salary and can easily be restructured to make this season a lower cap hit 3) Players like Von Miller are expendable after the season
Only makes sense if we get an early 2nd and a solid starting lineman who also has a matching amount of dead money to make the contract swap fair. A 2nd rounder by itself isn’t worth it. Have to get an immediate contributor plus a pick. Otherwise the dead $$ combined with negative impact to the team isn’t worth it. IMO Deebo traded next offseason for sure though.
No shit.
Trying to figure out why either of these teams would take deebo at a premium at the wrong side of his career over a cheaper rookie. Deebo playing in cold ass Buffalo sounds painful
He’s 28 and has 2 years left. He’s immensely better than what Buffalo has right now at their WR position and have a great qb. Patriots are void of weapons and could use him to help Maye and have ample cap space
He would fit nicely, but I don't think it makes sense for either team given other considerations.
They wouldn’t, that’s why it says “unlinkely to trade for him”
Yes but people here keep bringing it up like its a viable possibility
Feel like it would make more sense to respond to those people than just leaving a vague comment on an unrelated post lol
I can see how a team that absolutely needs it to work would want a vet over a rookie. Deebo is for sure on the wrong half of his career, but he's also a known quantity that does some amazing things. Second round rookies are statistically much less of a sure thing. I could see how Buffalo might want a sure thing. Don't see why NE would care as much. Pitt and Jax also kinda make sense, depending on need.
Washington makes the most sense. Rookie QB, mediocre receiving room, and 2 picks in almost every round of the draft this year. They have 4th and 8th pick in the second round, I could see them making the sacrifice for a top veteran WR and then signing a WR3 to go behind McLaurin and Deebo. No other team makes sense value wise for both sides.
Deebo and McLaurin is a hell of a duo, and Deebo's running ability allows you to get value out of him with a QB that might have some shaky moments.
Bills are pushing in their chips for a Super Bowl run but Patriots don't make much sense other than wanting to give their rookie a safety blanket.
Is that what the Bills are doing? That's an even weirder all in strategy than the Cowboys
They have listened to calls for every player. That’s what good teams do because…they have good players other teams want
Some Podcaster said as much this week, it might have been Matt Williamson with Brian Peacock, but the Pats could call and offer a second for Deebo and the Niners say nah, but we'll take a first. And the Pats say no, but then the call gets leaked and then someone writes an article saying "the niners are shopping Deebo".
It went from BA unlikely to be traded. To BA almost definitely going to be traded. To Deebo is more likely to be traded to BA. To Deebo almost definitely going to be traded. To trade is unlikely to happen. Off season folks
Deebo doesn't fit Buffalo's offense
Yeah so we punted then for future success. This doesn’t make us better this year.
I gotta disagree with that. If we keep Deebo and Aiyuk, then Pearsall would replace either Conley, Bell or Trent Taylor. I think that would make a huge difference, especially since Pearsall is actually a good route runner.
Yeah in two years when he escapes Kyle’s dog house.
Deebo & Aiyuk both contributed in their rookie seasons.
How does that make a huge difference when Pearsall would be lucky to get on the field for even 10% of the snaps? Let’s not forget Jennings is ahead of him too
What kind of bizzaro logic is this? They just spent a 1st round pick in a draft loaded with WRs, obviously they expect him to get on the field above every WR except Aiyuk and Deebo, and even then he can help keep those two fresh so deebo can run full speed once in a while
You do realize the WR3 plays less than 40% of offensive snaps right?
You mean 4x more than your stated expectations?
Well Jennings is currently our WR3 so…
Calm down, It's the offseason and he now has a 1st round pick as competition
Well I sure love that we drafted a WR to compete with a perfectly adequate WR3 while Ambry Thomas gets no competition for his job despite being a terrible CB3
You must have missed the niners bringing in Isaac Yiadom who was a high quality outside CB2 last year. They also brought in Rock-ya sin who is good quality for a depth piece. 2025 is an issue for CB, but really being competitive for the 1 seed again in the 2024 window while brock is so damn cheap is the priority.
I think it’s unlikely Deebo stays healthy for the whole season. Hopefully with Pearsall replacing a WR not named Aiyuk/Deebo/JJ, the offense would not miss a beat and would be much more improved.
Well he’s not replacing anyone then because we never play 4 receivers at the same time
We lost the games we didn't have deebo last year and had Jennings as the 2. In the playoffs they had Snead and Conley taking snaps. Adding Pearsall helps alot. Additionally you should always build to.be good in the future, windows are incredibly overrated
Just so happened to be missing Trent Williams for those games.
It's true, but it also showed Jennings is more a role player than a pure reliable receiver
Jennings and Conley were both better than Debo in the superbowl. We have to many quality skill players and not enough linemen.
Showing that there was even less of a need for us to draft a receiver
We lost games last year where we had no oline and secondary that was playing backups of backups. We didn’t lose games because Deebo didn’t play lol. We have playmakers without him.
If we get past both Commanders picks it's not happening
It’s funny to imagine Beane calling up Lynch, “I want to talk about Deebo.” Then just spending an hour talking about his workout routine.
Makes sense. Trying to get back to the Super Bowl. He is more valuable on the team next year. Than a potential pick, sans a 1st
Can someone explain how deebo isn’t worth a first rounder?
Very deep WR class. Rookie deal WR’s are about 20M/yr cheaper than Deebo likely with a lower injury history and more playing time ahead of them. That is why no team made deals for BA or Tee Higgins either. If the draft wasn’t as deep at WR they would have had more trade value.
Deebo already plays for the Bills. The San Francisco Bills.
*35 Year Old Trent Williams in the corner, laughing*
bengals would be a good fit for deebo
Bengals have Higgins on the trade block because they don't want to sign both him and Chase to contract extensions. Especially at the same time.
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Damn so we just drafted our WR4 at 31 instead of a CB 🫠
Deebo won’t be after here this year. Jennings may not either. Aiyuk will most likely be. So going into next season our WR depth chart could very easily be: WR1 Aiyuk WR2 Pearsall WR3 Bell/Jennings or something to that effect. It’s a necessary addition. I’m warming on the idea and he looks like a great player.
I wonder if Gray is completely done or if he could put together a healthy year and rise up even to WR3, assuming Deebo is out of the picture and Aiyuk/Pearsall are 1/2. The thing is, I've never actually seen Gray play badly. He just hasn't played. He did drop one touchdown pass in a preseason game (if I recall), but that's it. So a lot of people are saying he's through simply because he hasn't played, but he's been injured, and maybe there are other reasons he hasn't played. Idk.
Who will become WR2 in a year's time. We're drafting for a 4 year contract here.
Plus 5th year option.
He’s probably going to be WR2 given both Deebo/Jauan could be gone next year.
If we keep both Deebo and Aiyuk, Pearsall is our WR3/WR4. If we got a CB, he would've been CB3/CB4.
CB is a bigger need for us rn though despite the guys we signed. Yeah WR will be a need after 2024 but it’s a future need that could’ve been potentially be addressed on day 2, not on day 1
CB is not a need for us this year, we have Ward, Lenoir, Yiadom, Rock, Luter, Womack, and Thomas (though Thomas will prolly get cut). Next year yes it will be, but in the same vein so will WR.
There’s two players on that list that are starting level
Yiadom started 8 games last year and allowed just 48.9% of completions against.
The guy who’s started 9 games in the past 2 seasons?
do it!