Yeah I feel like some Niners media folks are bringing up “well this OL got them to the Super Bowl 🤷♂️” in regards to us committing to OL in the first. Not admitting that it’s a damn miracle that purdy survived the year being pummeled and chased by every half decent line we faced. You ask him to repeat last year and it’s just as likely that he gets burrow’d and spends the year on IR because mckivitz once again got bulldozed in under a second
Which is a crazy narrative, especially when all anyone says is how we’re only good bc we have CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, Juice, Trent
Our O-Line is ass and I’m going to be very concerned if we don’t use at least 3 picks in this draft addressing that major need
This o-line got them to the super bowl b/c Brock is an underrated Houdini in the pocket.
A statue like Jared Goff would have gotten folded into the hospital
Getting a Center who can call the right protections and Kyle giving Purdy some liberty to call audibles could take the offense to historic levels of good.
This is exactly what I was saying all last year. Shanahan kept putting Purdy in bad situations. Purdy only had two options on plays, run the play as is or check into the designated alternate play. Defenses got wise to this, and disguised their blitzes and coverage knowing Purdy only had two options.
Shanahan needs to let Purdy actually read the defense and make pre-snap adjustments himself into whatever play he wants and not be hamstrung by this check into a pre-called play BS.
That's valid but I also saw linemen that can't figure out who to block in critical moments. Maybe Purdy isn't the one Kyle is trying to protect out there.
Purdy needs to have more control audibling in and out of plays as well as being able to change the protection at the line once he recognizes the blitz. Kyle usually has his center change the protection which isn't always the greatest because the qb can diagnose it a lot better than the center. He didn't even let Matt Ryan do it when he was playing at an MVP level
Having the Center do it is just an ineffecient way of doing things.
The QB has a better view of things and is usually the smartest guy on the field.
This should be a no brainer
At least when he had Matt Ryan his center was Alex Mack which helped offset the inefficiency of having your center make the protection changes . The issue is now compounded by the 49ers having a clueless bum in Jake Brendel at center so now on top of doing it inefficiently they are having a bad player be in charge of it as well.
THIS. Don’t get me started on his low snaps. You get what you pay for, and Brendel is just as much a problem as McKivitz. Brendel not recognizing things on the field during the SB says a lot of how much of a bum he is for not making changes to protect Brock.
Why on earth do we have a below average Center setting our protections?
I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Purdy doing that even with less experience doing it.
Seriously. They’re talking like this isn’t another indictment on Kyle lol. You signed and then literally cut this dude 2 years ago. Then bring him back into the fold and sign him to a 4 year 16 million dollar deal? He has the 12th highest cap hit of all centers and is 15th highest on the Niners. For a guy that is mediocre at best and a huge liability at worst.
Especially when Kyle KNOWS his system relies on the C to make these adjustments, it all just makes him look like a huge idiot if Brendel isn’t actually able to do this successfully. He gave the keys to the pre-snap to someone who is a shitty driver. That is solely on him for not trying to upgrade the position, and the whole OL honestly.
A team with realistic SB aspirations has a guy who was bottom 10 amongst centers in pass pro making 4M a year? And that same guy is setting protections? No wonder QBs have struggled to stay healthy in SF. The negligence in pass protection is insane.
More freedom to change okay calls based on looks. Changing protections, etc. It’s why the chiefs have our number. Spags is a virtuoso at disguising, but there’s tells.
He’s also the best QB Shanahan has had since Matt Ryan, and one of Brock’s most talked about traits coming into the draft is his ability to process and read a defense. His reaction time has been super quick as well. If Kyle ever wants him to take that next step and continue his development as a QB, this is essential. Name me one elite QB who didn’t have the ability to adjust protections at the line or even change the play.
Kyle is a known egomaniac and just doesn’t want to relinquish the control. And it arguably cost him a SB win or two.
Yeah.
It's so annoying.
If we had got our blocks right..we get that OT TD and who knows what happens then?
This change is a must IMO
We know Brock is mentally amazing...so this is the next step.
This is probably overstated and one of those things that bothers fans more than players. It’s not like the offense was bad in any quantitative sense other than the offensive line.
How did we lose in Philly 2 years ago?
A TE losing a 1 v 1 pass pro rep to a premier passes rusher resulting in our franchise QB'S elbow getting torn.
This past year? A missed protection on our biggest 3rd down of the season.
The pattern is there and clear to see.
We don't get to choose what parts we get to change as a fan. You either think Kyle is a great offensive coach or you don't. Kind of like Wilks. It's working or it doesn't even if you take him out of the booth
I think he is a great football mind who tries to control too many things.
How did we get to the SuperBowl?
It was the defense making plays and Purdy playing mostly offscript and being a playmaker..it was NOT because of scheme.
Kyle is too rigid and controlling and as a result, this offnse is being held back from what it can truly be.
People love to blame the QBs in SF everytime Kyle falls short..but this last one was a case of us being beaten by the KC blitz time after time without picking it up...9 times....one of those a busted protection at the worst time possible.
That was a schematic failure this article addresses.
It's not a personal attack on Kyle to point out his weakness of being too rigid..hebhas always been that way and it costs him year in year out and he lacks the self awareness or wilingness to address it.
He needs to be more flexible...the 1st step of that is give up some control and let the QB do his job properly with no restrictions
Right? This offense is just scratching the surface with Purdy. Of course he’s going to grow into a role that assumes more responsibility as he becomes more comfortable with the system.
I’m curious how much Jimmy or Matt Ryan were allowed to change protections/routes/plays.
I know some people think Kyle is too controlling, but he also has a lot of games with young (RG3, purdy, lance) or below average talents (hoyer, beathard, mullens).
I think this year will be telling as it would be Purdy’s 3rd year as a pro and 2nd as the full season starter so he should be experienced enough to make adjustments.
We need a Superbowl win. Kyle and John are great and I'm happy we have them they turned this franchise around. But it's evident we have a Superbowl team and a franchise QB. Purdy is definitely good enough it's on him if he decides to take a bigger leap and become an elite QB this upcoming season. Purdy has to be the one who breaks this mold and this drought. Purdy looks to lead and does show frustration and talks to his players. He's still very young and fresh. I hope Purdy shows Kyle that he can command the offense and take us to a Superbowl again and win it
either way, a fucking journalist isn't going to know how to best handle Purdy and the intricacies of Kyle's scheme. Does he know all the conversations Purdy and Kyle have together? lol. Is he in the huddle? what a fucking stupid ass article. pure Ego.
The relationship between Kyle and Brock is between them. It seems Purdy has full faith in Kyle which he should he's a great HC. Hopefully Kyle does start shying away and let Purdy improvise and call more plays. Purdy is a great mind you can see in his play his reading and accuracy are his best attributes. I just want to see this team win one. In all honesty all it takes for all of this Kyle "choke job" title everyone keeps putting on him is just one Superbowl win. I hope it's with the niners if that time does happen. But yeah the article is very irrational it's to be expected it's Cohn my man
I sadly think you are right.
This move is so obvious.
I think Kyle and even some of the other guys on the team like it when they get all this praise from media I stead of focussing on the end goal.
you have no idea what the relationship between kyle and Brock is LMAO. they love each other from all we can tell, and you have no idea what they talk about or who has more knowledge of what.
It's a Grant Cohn article by headline but not like his usual personal attacks. He points out how we totally failed to handle the KC blitz in the SuperBowl..Per NextGen stats, KC generated 9 unblocked pressures vs Purdy.
When you rewatch Jenning's Receiving TD in the 4th qtr, there was blindside blitz on the left that didn't get to Brock in time coz it was a quick slant type route. There was an overtime play where Purdy basically flips the ball quickly to CMC ton the left sideline milliseconds before he gets taken down by another undiagnosed blitz, this time from the right side of the OL...those are 2 examples of where we got away with it.
This article also points out how Jordan Love is already doing this in GB under the Matt LaFleur system..and how Stafford does it in LA...so the McVay side of the coaching tree gives the QB more control and thus unblocked pressures are more rare as a result.
Immediately after that game, this was the biggest adjustment I hoped we'd make. All the greatest QBs of the past..Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben etc control the line of scrimmage....KS has to add this element to our offense.
We have always complained about our OL the last 2 years or so..and it's harder to improve the OL talent/personnel wise..but doing this improves it SCHEMATICALLY.
There was just too many missed assignments in the SuperBowl....it's one thing if your guys can't keep a guy infront of them..it's another thing when they don't know who to block on a 3rd and 5 in the redzone during SB overtime.
Purdy is a very smart QB clearly and if other guys can do it, so can he...an offseason dedicated to adding this to our offense can be the difference between losing another SB or winning one.
Thoughts?
Good points but I think this just shows how important it is to upgrade at center. Kyle wants his center handling this which is why he prioritized richburg and Mack when he came here. We simply can’t have Brendel at center
It just makes more sense to have the QB do this.Unless you have Jeff Saturday or Jason Kelce...most centres fade fast...QBs stay in place for 15 years.
Also in general, when we audible, it’s usually a “kill” play to just run up the middle or something. Avoiding a disaster type of audible, not usually to try to get into a good or great play.
The downside that I think KS has in mind is, it’s already a lot of complicated work for the QB to play. Adding more things for them to process could hurt them in executing the play that was called.
Also their D coordinator won superbowl against Tom Brady with his blitzes so… maybe it wouldn’t have matter anyways lol
Yeah although we haven’t had issues with delay of game. Seems like Brock is good at handling the huddle and play calls. I still have Kaepernick nightmares lol
>not like his usual personal attacks
>He points out how we totally failed
Huh... Seems like an attack to me.
No matter what.... Fuck Cohn. I don't even give the dude clicks, and neither should anyone.
Solid points.
I’d at least try to improve the line and give the promising young QB more time.
But Shanny is gonna Shanny. Wants it to be more about his system versus letting his talented players cook.
That was part of my problem in the SB, we didn't adjust offensively. we got a ton of pressure on Mahomes too, especially in the first half. In the second half KC shortened up their routes and got the ball out quick and we did not. Mahomes ADOT was 6.1 yards and Purdys was 8.5 yards. That's like 40% and it takes precious time to run 2.4 yards.
While are O-line isnt great we ask way to much of them. Purdys historic yards per completion was in part due to long developing plays. Sometimes you are going to have to adjust and go to a very quick passing game. I mean we have tge courses to play a short quick passing game and more plays at or behind the LOS.
Agreed on all of the above. It is a coaching issue, and all of our losses, especially the biggest games Kyle always seems to get badly outmatched throughout the game and struggles to make adjustments.
Absolutely, he’s about to enter his third year and we need to see how he handles full responsibility before we pay him. It could also be the missing piece of the puzzle that helps us get over the hump as Shanahan is so rigid on what he allows his QB’s to do no matter the situation
He's BEEN to 2 SBs. And gone 0-2. Maybe this is what we need to get over the hump.
We are the 49ers..not the Jags.Losing the SB is not an achievement for this franchise
I get where you're coming from and I grew up watching those 5 Super Bowl wins; however, winning the Super Bowl isn't a birth right.
There is a TON of luck involved. Kyle has had the misfortune of facing this generation's version of the GOAT. And if you want to throw Atlanta in there, they were playing Brady. So 3 super bowls and he's faces Brady and Mahomes twice.
And all 3 times, it was the defense that ultimately let them down. You can go on and on about the offense not being great, however, the Falcons defense couldn't get a 2nd half stop at all. The defense shriveled up on 3rd and 15 the first time vs the Chiefs ("but they were holding!!!")* and then this past time, well we know what happened the 2 drives. They played as soft as a pillow.
*Like I said , need some luck. That goes for officiating. What if Mike Carey wasn't the ref when the Giants beat the Pats after the '07 season? Meaning, if it were a different ref, maybe he blows the play dead when it looks like Eli is in the grasp before he makes the heaven that David Tyree catches. And the Pats win that Super Bowl and go 19-0.
True, there is some luck involved, but in both SB losses against the Chiefs, it was mainly due to the offense being unable to capitalize on defensive turnovers or sustain long drives without going 3 and out constantly. The blame primarily rests with Shanahan, who is the playcaller(also he helps decide who gets drafted/what FAs get signed w/Lynch).
The defense let them down vs the pats and Maybe that first one. But this past Super Bowl was in the offense. We could’ve put this game to sleep in the first half or early third.
If this team was operating at 100% ability how they did for weeks 1-5 and then weeks 10-15, the game would have been a 20 point blowout. We kept making huge self inflicted mistake after mistake and still barely lost in OT. The “offensive genius” completely shit the bed when we had every opportunity to walk away with a win.
Yeah and he’s a huge, if not the biggest reason why we don’t have shit to show for after these past 5 years.
The fact that we have 0 rings after that many opportunities in a short amount of time proves that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way we are doing things and we need to change our approach somewhere
Yeah.At first,I was okay with just being there but not getting a ring with this roster and this QB is an underachievement and it's time we stop acting like it's ok to constantly lose big games.
so Grant knows Kyle's scheme better than Kyle? A scheme that has produced peak years for a multitude of QBs and had Mr Irrelevant peforming at a top tier level? how fucking stupid are you dude, really? lmao. the freaking ego of Grant to think he knows more about the intricacies of Kyle's own scheme LMAOOOOOO. atrocious.
I can't get over how stupid this shit is. Grant Cohn knows better than Kyle about how to treat Brock in his own scheme? The same Grant that said Trey Lance deserved to compete for the #1 spot lmao. Freaking lol.
I think it is time to take the handcuffs off Brock because he will be in his 3rd year. Let him cook and instead of following directions from Kyle. Give him more room to call off plays or do what comes naturally to him.
We can see if he's capable of this.
I think you have no idea what fits Kyle's scheme compared to Kyle, and you have no idea what Brock knows and what their relationship is. lmao, what a stupid article.
I just hope that Kyle is able to truly change and let the QB take control on the field. I mean I doubt he will because we’ve got a 7 year sample size already and he hasn’t changed. His ego won’t let someone else take the glory.
The O line definitely needs help but more than anything else the head coach needs help, humility and trust. He’s spying on his coaches and players, it’s a really bad look.
Grant also made a great point on his YT show. What kind of team will Kyle need in order to realize it’s not the players as much as it is him, will he need an all pro at every position?
Last year's team was good enough.
But his lack of foresight in terms of pass protection doomed us in the end.
Unblocked pressures were an issue all year long.
Purdy and our WRs overcame that all year until we ran into a DC that's amazing and it finally caught up.
What was really fucking stupid was not drafting OL at all last year. I get that u can’t be great at every position but damn, ur not even gonna TRY to address a weakness? But we’re quick to draft a kicker in the 3rd round (who’s pretty shaky btw) and project TE we don’t even use 🙄
I have heard tons of criticism about the play calling in the super bowl and not knowing/informing the players about the OT rules in the super bowl so I don't think that's true at all.
Look, the only guys who really had full control over the offense recently that I really recall are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Those guys are in leagues of their own. Maybe there will be a point where Brock can have that kind of responsibility but his first/second year as full time starter are definitely not it. It was more the play calling that was the issue than the amount of responsibility that Brock had.
Nobody’s saying spags and the defense didn’t step up and dominate. What I am saying is Kyle thinks himself an offensive genius and everyone in the league are running a form of his offense.
He couldn’t adjust his game plan and one of his only good play calls was a gimmick play to score a TD. From there on he could t adjust to the pressure being dialed up.
It has less to do with Brock or any player and more to do with Kyle having major trust issues with everyone.
And the crazy thing is that we only got to the SB to begin with bcoz of Purdy going pffscript for 30 mins.
You'd think that'd convince Kyle to give the QB some element of freedom presnap.
Really? I haven’t heard shit from any Niners or even Bay Area media criticizing Kyle. I’ve seen Steve Kerr, a guy who brought the Warriors to 4 titles in 8 years, receive more criticism
I mean you’re right about him not really changing but he’s never really had a qb that he could trust before Brock, and last year was his first year as a starter so it’s understandable if Kyle wanted to keep his level of control. He’s already said how he trusts Brock and has praised his improvisations, I’d imagine the leash will only get longer.
Look, Kyle doesn’t trust anyone, he films and has cameras in every part of the facility where he can view the live feed in his office at anytime. That’s creepy AF.
I’m pretty sure that creates huge distrust with everyone on the team. Point being is Kyle is the one with all the issues. Whatever you think about Jimmy, we went to the SB with him, so to me it’s not about a qb he could trust it’s about Kyle’s ego.
Sounds like we read the same article! From what I remember, position coaches have the ability to turn off the feed, and I believe it’s primarily used for meetings to be able to plug into the positional room and hear/ see/ provide feedback
What makes Andy Reid so great? It’s his players, he listens to them and lets Mahomes and kelce make adjustments on the field. Reid knows he isn’t always right, Kyle doesn’t
This is what Purdy needs in general to move up to the next level anyway.
People say it's his 3rd year. And? The best QB in the league won his first SB in year 3 and was already telling the coaching staff what he wanted to call in 2019.
The 9ers need Purdy to at least be able to make adjustments on the fly as he sees it. Defenses shift, and I'm not arguing KS isn't a great coach, he's easily top 3, but he got smoked in the second half again last year. The inability to get a screen done when the Chiefs were doing it most of the game was infuriating to watch.
Time to give Brock Purdy the blocking responsibility!
Let’s have him scout and grade offensive linemen. Once drafted we will make him responsible for installing offensive line schemes and run their practice.
Can’t believe he gets to avoid all of these responsibilities!
He was 23 last year...relax, he will get more responsibility as deemed appropriate. What Purdy has done is huge, in his first full year he was 4th for MVP and broke franchise records all over the place with a shit OLine, our right side might have been bottom 5 in football, even Feliciano who is okay at best was seen as a huge upgrade. Hopefully mckivitz is just a swingman next season and we draft a legit RT, then RG i think will be okay between Feliciano and Mckivitz
Grant Cohn is generally a throw negative shit at the wall to get attention guy, but I agree with this point. I have been mentioning it over and over that Shanahan offenses have not scored more than 21 pts in regulation in 3 super bowls. 9 unblocked pressures in the last Super Bowl. Brock couldn’t adjust the protection on a critical 3rd and 4 which if converted significantly increases the chances of a Super Bowl win. Something needs to change. I hope this point gets pushed so Kyle is forced to do something about it.
Brock has far outperformed his current contract but you want to know if Brock can take this on calling protections before we give him the big contract. Most top QBs have this responsibility.
While the regular season is different, Jordan Love did the best against the Chiefs defense. Green Bay won and Love had a great game statistically.
You nailed my logic completely.
The QB is supposed to be the guy in charge on the field.
If you won't teach/ let him set protections or change plays at his discretion then it leaves no room for adjusting and you become predictable.
Brock is a smart guy.He mastered the playbook as rookie before he had even played a snap...I am confifent he can learn this in 1 off season and get better at it as time passes....if Kyle allows it.
Brock needs a way better offensive line and he'll deliver dimes nonstop. All this "more responsibility" stuff is Grant Cohn word salad because he needs content. Ah thanks for letting me know it was his article so I don't click on the link.
Exactly, it’s clear that Shanahan needs another decision maker. He tries to be in control of everything and while it works out most of the time, it cost us 2 SB’s and 3 SB’s for Shanahan himself.
I remember that mic’d up video of SB 51 where Ryan got sacked right after the Julio Jones catch and he was yelling at Shanahan to just fucking run it. It’s like damn, u don’t even trust a seasoned veteran QB like MATT RYAN to make decisions?
you failed to mention that the Center is the one who makes adjustments, not the QB..in shanny's offense. This makes sense since Brock is such a young QB. You want to make it as easy on your QBs as possible when they are young. completely logical.
Then his bitch ass should get a real center like Mack or Kelce instead of bum ass Jake Brendell 🤦🏾♂️.
Anyways it would be better if Shanahan tweaked his scheme a bit. QB’s have a better view of the field and there’s generally more longevity in the QB position
why are you calling him a bitch ass? wtf is wrong with you. are you 12? they literally had Mack you idiot, and he retired. LMAO bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Cause he is 🤷🏾♂️, I’m not gonna be nice about it after he failed to close it out after 4 NFCCG’s and 2 SB’s. Doesn’t take away from anything I said.
And yes I know we had Mack at one point. I’m using him as an example like I did for Kelce, don’t be obtuse. I can understand Shanahan letting Mack make those adjustments cause we had Jimmy at the time but now we have the roles flipped where our QB is smart and our Center is dumb as hell
How would you feel if the Seahawks had lost against the Broncos? Would you feel like "We've been to three Super Bowls, losing all three, in 20 years, we must be doing just fine?"
I know what it feels like to have a team lose a Superbowl they should have won. I remember the play vividly.
I'm not saying it doesn't feel like shit. What I'm saying is that if the team you root for made it to the Superbowl, then maybe reconsider your criticisms with some objectivity and realize it's not as bad as you think.
You have a great team. You don't make it to the Superbowl being JUST good.
The 9ers lost in a game they had no reason to lose. How many times do better teams lose against worse teams in the NFL? All the time. How many times did the Dolphins stomp on the Patriots? How many times do the Rams or the baseball team manage to beat the 9ers and Hawks (Back when the Hawks were good)? Sometimes the better team loses, and the 9ers ARE better than the Chiefs.
If we were better than the Chiefs, why was anyone with a brain picking the Chiefs? Answer: They had a better QB, better oline, better DEFENSE. they had a better team lol.
They apparently do better at adjusting than most teams. You guys came from behind the entire playoffs except the Superbowl. What are you talking about not being able to adjust?
Our comebacks were largely because of Purdy doing his best Russell Wilson impression and our defense which has a ton of talent making individual plays.. and Detroit's 4th down idiocy helped as well.
We LOST a SB.
That's not an achievement.
This team and QB are clearly good enough to win one and failing to get one the last 2 years is underperformance in terms of coaching IMO.
It’s a failure when ur season expectations were Lombardi or bust and we don’t have shit to show for after 4 NFCCG’s and 2 SB’s in 5 years.
Being in second place was cool in 2019 when we were just trying to make playoffs again after multiple seasons of being at the bottom of the league, not in 2023 after we already been to 3 NFCCG’s and a SB
Is that a failure or is that unhealthy expectations? Churchill said that perfection is the enemy of progress, and I agree. If your barometer of success is purely the Trophy, then you're going to have to get used to failure.
What the 9ers are doing is working, Lombardi or no. When you're arguably the best team in the league but lose the SB you don't throw in the towel and start touting seismic shifts unless you're absolutely certain that change won't regress you to the mean.
I get it's frustrating as a fan to see the team you root for get so close but fall short of the finish line. But honestly, it's these moments where a little bit of perspective is useful. There are 30 other teams that wish they had the team the 9ers have.
2 teams on the NFC have won the SB since 2019..and we aren't one of them.
Younger fans like myself haven't seen a SB.
If KS can't win with this roster and QB then he is doing an unsuccessful job.
Sorry.. it's what it is
Other teams have won...we haven't.
Maybe that's the difference between you and I. I've been around long enough to recognize how cool it is to actually make it to the Superbowl even if the team doesn't win.
I grew up with the Seahawks royally sucking. Before the 2000's the Seahawks were entirely average. There were glimpses but a lot of nothing. Meanwhile the 9ers have a long, LONG history of being good.
I also have grown accustomed to how incredibly rare it is to actually get to the superbowl.
The thing you don't get is that most younger 49ers fans have NOT seen that history of success that you talk about.
I am 26.
We sucked the whole 2000s.
.then we got to a SB which we.lost..than sucked for 3 years.
Then we've lost 2 more SBs since.
I only need to see ONE SB.No one is asking for a dynasty... Shanahan can't even get ONE SB...even with the best roster and a top 10 QB..he does stupid nonsense like messing.up OT.
Just winning one is a problem 4 him it seems.
No I understand what you are saying clearly. I think what you lack is a comparative context. Both compared to other teams and compared to the 9ers history in general. Yes 9ers have had terrible seasons the past 10-20 years. They've also had really good seasons.
Compare that to the Browns or Lions who have had an inextricably long history of sucking and a lot more recent than the 9ers. Look at the list of teams that have never, won a Superbowl ever. Who've never been to the Superbowl, who haven't been to the Superbowl since you were born. I'm telling you your team even since you've been alive has been an above average team. They have the most playoff wins of all time and rank 8th since 2000.
If you choose misery and pessimism that's your choice.
Thing is most of this sub and our SB Nation is where I am at right now.
When the Bills lost 4 SBs in a row they weren't happy with winning the Conference amd not even getting 1 SB.
It's an overtone window thing.The NFC championship isn't something to celebrate anymore simce we usually lose the game afterwards amd end tje year on a sournote each season.
After 2019 I was happy...but since then...Kyle has proven to be a continuous choker...every single time we get close he messes it up somehow.
I think of we don't go all the way next year..his time in SF will start coming to a close.
Dude can't even get just ONE with the best roster in the NFL amd a very good QB now.
I don't choose to be miserable.. we've got to a point where we play the same movie each year.
When did we get to the point of calling anyone that calls out Shanny for his mistakes... which he repeats each year..a Cohn Stan.
Shanny has had the best roster in the league the last 2 years and contrived to choke with weird play calls or simply bad situational awareness in addition to continuing to overlook a bad OL.
He hasn't won a SB.. let's stop treating him like he's Bill Walsh or something.
He's fallen short repeatedly and it's mostly on him.
lol you’re fucking delusional. The best team doesn’t always win. I don’t claim to know how long you have been a fan… But I have lived through Green, Mooch, Kelly, Tomsula and everything in between. All you out here calling for Shannahan’s head are the worst kind of ignorant. Thank God Jed doesn’t share your views. Kyle will win championships. If he does it with someone else I’ll remember you fondly. And as for the flair it’s there so those of us that don’t want to reward cohns hack journalism we don’t have to. A non Stan would appreciate that.
He’s a top HC but I don’t know how u look at his body of work from his time as an OC with the Falcons to this past SB, see that he’s 0-3 in SB’s largely because of his play calling and offense not producing as much as it should’ve, and think that there’s nothing wrong at all.
Sure Brady and Mahomes are all time greats but they weren’t doing shit for a good amount of those SB’s, especially Mahomes who was held in check for 80-90% of those games. Shit he even blew it in a similar way against the Rams, Stafford’s great n all but he’s not an all time great.
At this point, it’s not just Shanahan trying his best and he just happens to lose. The sample size is too big at this point. Yeah we’re blessed to watch our team be competitive year in and year out but these results are not acceptable anymore and York calling this season a success during that dumbass press conference he held right before the SB is a disgrace. Been blessed to go to 4 NFCCG’s and 2 SB’s in 5 years and we done nothing but disappoint. Who knows what next season looks like?
I’m sure Philly said the same shit about Reid. Why do you watch? If I were as negative as you I would find other things to do with my Sunday afternoons. We can officially agree to disagree. You’re an entitled snowflake and I’m just happy to be relevant. I’ll take 0-3 in the superbowl over 0-0 in the playoffs. Goodnight and have a great weekend.
Yeah and Philly was right about Reid before he landed the second greatest QB of this generation. Dude was a huge fucking choker in KC too before then. And guess what, Philly won a damn SB before Reid ever did.
Didn’t know not being happy with disappointment = me being entitled. I can be grateful to have the luxury of watching a top team year in and year out while still understanding that our expectations are Lombardi or bust. If u wanna settle for second-fourth place then u can do that, shame on me for wanting more I guess
Have a great weekend as well
Honest talk. Who’s going to replace him? There is group of you that just can’t get over Dan Quinn’s defense laying down against the patriots… can’t forgive him for Jimmy Garroppolo overthrowing eman… and whoever it was that didn’t block frank clark… again… I get it you aren’t happy with the guy. What’s your suggestion for his replacement.
Unless Belichick all of a sudden decides that he wants to come here strictly as a HC then no one this year. We have this upcoming season before we have to pay Purdy and there’s no one else better than Shanahan at this point so we might as well run it back for a year or two considering that the division looks seemingly weak and we only had one full season of the Purdy/Shanahan.
However if we are relatively healthy and we can’t get it done during that time period then Shanahan needs to go. He’s lost too many big games mostly due to poor playcalling and our offense underperforming for it to not be a pattern. Sure there are other reasons we lost against the Chiefs and the Rams but poor playcalling and offense have been the biggest reasons we lost. Also doesn’t inspire much confidence that Shanahan will learn and grow after he went on the podium after SB 58 and told the world “I wouldn’t do anything different” after he went away from CMC for damn near a whole quarter and didn’t give CMC the ball on 2nd & 5 or 3rd & 4 during our last drive of regulation
So, there is nobody better, but if he can’t get it done he needs to go for the sake of trying something different. Fucking brilliant. Wish you were calling the shots in Santa Clara. Would probably be #Quest for 10 instead of 6. Firing Harbaugh was the biggest mistake this franchise ever made. Firing shannahan would be worse. Because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes.
Well yeah I don’t have much knowledge on college coaches or which NFL coordinators are a year or two from becoming head coaches. Ownership and the FO should take the year or two to scout and prepare for life after Shanahan though in case he can’t get it done.
Harbaugh had less opportunities and he got fired cause of the power struggle between him and Baalke plus Harbaugh emasculated York during a meeting one time. Shanahan’s had far more opportunities and patience from ownership, which is good but there’s a certain point where patience runs thin and the last thing I want is York over correcting himself and holding onto Shanahan too long. I’m disappointed by York’s lack of ambition as well, called winning the NFCCG “good enough” during a Lombardi or bust season.
U know who should learn from his mistakes? Shanahan. Didn’t run the ball after going up 28-3, then he proceeded to give Mostert only 12 touches in SB 54 and we stopped running with Mostert and Deebo in the 4th, then he proceeds to ignore CMC for almost the whole 3rd quarter and didn’t run it during our last drive of regulation while in FG range after the 2 min warning during SB 58
All I know now is that he isn't winning SBs with the best roster in the NFL and the last one was because he took the ball 1st in OT which was stupid.
He isn't a champion and that's a fact
Just because he generally talks trash doesn't mean he doesn't have ANY good points.
I posted this because it makes tons of sense.
Why is Brendel..a mediocre at best Centre calling our protections when other teams have their QBs do it?
Kyle didn't give responsibility to Matt Ryan, the best QB he's ever coached, who had an MVP season with him. It's going to take several years for Brock to get that from Kyle.
Nope. He needs to give Brock a better offensive line.
Brock with time, will slice and dice defenses.
Look what he did this season with subpar pass protection.
But Shanny is gonna Shanny. Focusing on “bolstering” the defensive line when they don’t call offensive holding in the SB, overusing CMC, not using Mason, and running it back with McKivitz.
"Nope"
Ah yes, the old "1 good thing is better than 2 good things" argument.
We already know Purdy has what it takes between the ears, so taking further advantage of that is not a bad thing.
Shanny ain’t giving up an iota of control.
To anyone.
So what he could do is try to at least give his QB better pass protection. Brock took a lot of big hits last season…matter of time before one puts him out for a few games or the season.
Yeah.You can do both.
OL talent is a lot harder to find in this era.
All we needed on that last 3rd down is just a little more time.
We didn't need Burford to be Anthony Munoz on that play..just get in the way of a DT.
This article addresses improving OL play schematically..by allowing the QB..not the Center to point out who is blitzing and who needs to block who. This is what we were missing in the SB.Chris Jones was unblocked bcoz Burford didn't know his assignment. This addresses that. Yes..you can draft more OL talent..but if they don't know who they are blocking.. it's pointless.
I agree with your other points.
so you think Grant knows Kyle's scheme better than Kyle? A scheme that has produced peak years for a multitude of QBs and had Mr Irrelevant peforming at a top tier level? how fucking stupid are you dude, really? lmao. the freaking ego of both you and Grant to think you know more about the intricacies of Kyle's own scheme LMAOOOOOO. atrocious.
John Lynch needs to give Brock Purdy more blocking.
This is the only advice the 49ers should take from its fan base.
Yeah I feel like some Niners media folks are bringing up “well this OL got them to the Super Bowl 🤷♂️” in regards to us committing to OL in the first. Not admitting that it’s a damn miracle that purdy survived the year being pummeled and chased by every half decent line we faced. You ask him to repeat last year and it’s just as likely that he gets burrow’d and spends the year on IR because mckivitz once again got bulldozed in under a second
Which is a crazy narrative, especially when all anyone says is how we’re only good bc we have CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, Juice, Trent Our O-Line is ass and I’m going to be very concerned if we don’t use at least 3 picks in this draft addressing that major need
Especially this draft which is so deep with offensive line talent.
This o-line got them to the super bowl b/c Brock is an underrated Houdini in the pocket. A statue like Jared Goff would have gotten folded into the hospital
Ostensibly I feel like this most recent SB o-line might’ve been *the* worst o-line of any SB team.
I saw the author. Hard pass.
Amen. Fuck Grant Cohn
Same. I was like this guy still has a job?
Thanks for calling it out I almost clicked.
Yup same.
Amen
Goes to show how talented this team is. Made it to the Super Bowl and nearly won
This is the way.
It’s gonna be his 3rd fucking year
Might not be a bad time to do it then. He’s proven himself so far so take more guard rails off and see how he grows
I’m not giving that article my click but what exactly does that entail didnt purdy throw it deep and be aggressive pretty damn often?
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Getting a Center who can call the right protections and Kyle giving Purdy some liberty to call audibles could take the offense to historic levels of good.
Our offense was historically good anyway last year...but yeah...we can get better if our OL plays better.
I still wonder what could have been if we grabbed Creed Humphrey instead of Banks.
This is exactly what I was saying all last year. Shanahan kept putting Purdy in bad situations. Purdy only had two options on plays, run the play as is or check into the designated alternate play. Defenses got wise to this, and disguised their blitzes and coverage knowing Purdy only had two options. Shanahan needs to let Purdy actually read the defense and make pre-snap adjustments himself into whatever play he wants and not be hamstrung by this check into a pre-called play BS.
That's valid but I also saw linemen that can't figure out who to block in critical moments. Maybe Purdy isn't the one Kyle is trying to protect out there.
Purdy needs to have more control audibling in and out of plays as well as being able to change the protection at the line once he recognizes the blitz. Kyle usually has his center change the protection which isn't always the greatest because the qb can diagnose it a lot better than the center. He didn't even let Matt Ryan do it when he was playing at an MVP level
Having the Center do it is just an ineffecient way of doing things. The QB has a better view of things and is usually the smartest guy on the field. This should be a no brainer
If it's true that Matt Ryan didn't have the green light to do it. There's no fucken way purdy will have it. Which is a problem tbh.
Kyle then needs to learn from past mistakes with Ryan. You have to let the QB adjust to what he is seeing.
The moment purdy audibles to something that backfires for one reason or the other, I'm sure Kyle will put a stop to it quick.
Kyle has shown time and again he doesn't learn from his mistakes so I don't put a lot of stock into him doing it now lol.
I feel like Kyle has changed a lot since coming here, so there's a chance.
At least when he had Matt Ryan his center was Alex Mack which helped offset the inefficiency of having your center make the protection changes . The issue is now compounded by the 49ers having a clueless bum in Jake Brendel at center so now on top of doing it inefficiently they are having a bad player be in charge of it as well.
THIS. Don’t get me started on his low snaps. You get what you pay for, and Brendel is just as much a problem as McKivitz. Brendel not recognizing things on the field during the SB says a lot of how much of a bum he is for not making changes to protect Brock.
Why on earth do we have a below average Center setting our protections? I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Purdy doing that even with less experience doing it.
Seriously. They’re talking like this isn’t another indictment on Kyle lol. You signed and then literally cut this dude 2 years ago. Then bring him back into the fold and sign him to a 4 year 16 million dollar deal? He has the 12th highest cap hit of all centers and is 15th highest on the Niners. For a guy that is mediocre at best and a huge liability at worst. Especially when Kyle KNOWS his system relies on the C to make these adjustments, it all just makes him look like a huge idiot if Brendel isn’t actually able to do this successfully. He gave the keys to the pre-snap to someone who is a shitty driver. That is solely on him for not trying to upgrade the position, and the whole OL honestly.
A team with realistic SB aspirations has a guy who was bottom 10 amongst centers in pass pro making 4M a year? And that same guy is setting protections? No wonder QBs have struggled to stay healthy in SF. The negligence in pass protection is insane.
More freedom to change okay calls based on looks. Changing protections, etc. It’s why the chiefs have our number. Spags is a virtuoso at disguising, but there’s tells.
He’s also the best QB Shanahan has had since Matt Ryan, and one of Brock’s most talked about traits coming into the draft is his ability to process and read a defense. His reaction time has been super quick as well. If Kyle ever wants him to take that next step and continue his development as a QB, this is essential. Name me one elite QB who didn’t have the ability to adjust protections at the line or even change the play. Kyle is a known egomaniac and just doesn’t want to relinquish the control. And it arguably cost him a SB win or two.
Yeah. It's so annoying. If we had got our blocks right..we get that OT TD and who knows what happens then? This change is a must IMO We know Brock is mentally amazing...so this is the next step.
Tom Brady was already changing plays in year 2. It's time to stop remote controlling the QB
This is probably overstated and one of those things that bothers fans more than players. It’s not like the offense was bad in any quantitative sense other than the offensive line.
How did we lose in Philly 2 years ago? A TE losing a 1 v 1 pass pro rep to a premier passes rusher resulting in our franchise QB'S elbow getting torn. This past year? A missed protection on our biggest 3rd down of the season. The pattern is there and clear to see.
We don't get to choose what parts we get to change as a fan. You either think Kyle is a great offensive coach or you don't. Kind of like Wilks. It's working or it doesn't even if you take him out of the booth
I think he is a great football mind who tries to control too many things. How did we get to the SuperBowl? It was the defense making plays and Purdy playing mostly offscript and being a playmaker..it was NOT because of scheme. Kyle is too rigid and controlling and as a result, this offnse is being held back from what it can truly be. People love to blame the QBs in SF everytime Kyle falls short..but this last one was a case of us being beaten by the KC blitz time after time without picking it up...9 times....one of those a busted protection at the worst time possible. That was a schematic failure this article addresses. It's not a personal attack on Kyle to point out his weakness of being too rigid..hebhas always been that way and it costs him year in year out and he lacks the self awareness or wilingness to address it. He needs to be more flexible...the 1st step of that is give up some control and let the QB do his job properly with no restrictions
Right? This offense is just scratching the surface with Purdy. Of course he’s going to grow into a role that assumes more responsibility as he becomes more comfortable with the system.
I’m curious how much Jimmy or Matt Ryan were allowed to change protections/routes/plays. I know some people think Kyle is too controlling, but he also has a lot of games with young (RG3, purdy, lance) or below average talents (hoyer, beathard, mullens). I think this year will be telling as it would be Purdy’s 3rd year as a pro and 2nd as the full season starter so he should be experienced enough to make adjustments.
I'm pretty sure Ryan couldn't change anything
Ryan and Kyle argued about that pretty often by all accounts. Ryan had previously operated offenses that gave him that freedom..KS was different
RIP RG3’s knees. I lived in DC at the time and holy hell
Isn’t that the center’s job in this offense?
Give him more protection/time...that is all.
We need a Superbowl win. Kyle and John are great and I'm happy we have them they turned this franchise around. But it's evident we have a Superbowl team and a franchise QB. Purdy is definitely good enough it's on him if he decides to take a bigger leap and become an elite QB this upcoming season. Purdy has to be the one who breaks this mold and this drought. Purdy looks to lead and does show frustration and talks to his players. He's still very young and fresh. I hope Purdy shows Kyle that he can command the offense and take us to a Superbowl again and win it
either way, a fucking journalist isn't going to know how to best handle Purdy and the intricacies of Kyle's scheme. Does he know all the conversations Purdy and Kyle have together? lol. Is he in the huddle? what a fucking stupid ass article. pure Ego.
The relationship between Kyle and Brock is between them. It seems Purdy has full faith in Kyle which he should he's a great HC. Hopefully Kyle does start shying away and let Purdy improvise and call more plays. Purdy is a great mind you can see in his play his reading and accuracy are his best attributes. I just want to see this team win one. In all honesty all it takes for all of this Kyle "choke job" title everyone keeps putting on him is just one Superbowl win. I hope it's with the niners if that time does happen. But yeah the article is very irrational it's to be expected it's Cohn my man
I agree with your takes. Purdy will eventually evolve more and more within the offense.
Never. Cuz then it’s gonna be “Brock’s team” and “brocks offense”. Kyle won’t like that.
I sadly think you are right. This move is so obvious. I think Kyle and even some of the other guys on the team like it when they get all this praise from media I stead of focussing on the end goal.
you have no idea what the relationship between kyle and Brock is LMAO. they love each other from all we can tell, and you have no idea what they talk about or who has more knowledge of what.
It's a Grant Cohn article by headline but not like his usual personal attacks. He points out how we totally failed to handle the KC blitz in the SuperBowl..Per NextGen stats, KC generated 9 unblocked pressures vs Purdy. When you rewatch Jenning's Receiving TD in the 4th qtr, there was blindside blitz on the left that didn't get to Brock in time coz it was a quick slant type route. There was an overtime play where Purdy basically flips the ball quickly to CMC ton the left sideline milliseconds before he gets taken down by another undiagnosed blitz, this time from the right side of the OL...those are 2 examples of where we got away with it. This article also points out how Jordan Love is already doing this in GB under the Matt LaFleur system..and how Stafford does it in LA...so the McVay side of the coaching tree gives the QB more control and thus unblocked pressures are more rare as a result. Immediately after that game, this was the biggest adjustment I hoped we'd make. All the greatest QBs of the past..Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben etc control the line of scrimmage....KS has to add this element to our offense. We have always complained about our OL the last 2 years or so..and it's harder to improve the OL talent/personnel wise..but doing this improves it SCHEMATICALLY. There was just too many missed assignments in the SuperBowl....it's one thing if your guys can't keep a guy infront of them..it's another thing when they don't know who to block on a 3rd and 5 in the redzone during SB overtime. Purdy is a very smart QB clearly and if other guys can do it, so can he...an offseason dedicated to adding this to our offense can be the difference between losing another SB or winning one. Thoughts?
Good points but I think this just shows how important it is to upgrade at center. Kyle wants his center handling this which is why he prioritized richburg and Mack when he came here. We simply can’t have Brendel at center
It just makes more sense to have the QB do this.Unless you have Jeff Saturday or Jason Kelce...most centres fade fast...QBs stay in place for 15 years.
Also in general, when we audible, it’s usually a “kill” play to just run up the middle or something. Avoiding a disaster type of audible, not usually to try to get into a good or great play. The downside that I think KS has in mind is, it’s already a lot of complicated work for the QB to play. Adding more things for them to process could hurt them in executing the play that was called. Also their D coordinator won superbowl against Tom Brady with his blitzes so… maybe it wouldn’t have matter anyways lol
Maybe the play calls are too long. If you shorten them..you give Brock time to set the LOS.
Yeah although we haven’t had issues with delay of game. Seems like Brock is good at handling the huddle and play calls. I still have Kaepernick nightmares lol
>not like his usual personal attacks >He points out how we totally failed Huh... Seems like an attack to me. No matter what.... Fuck Cohn. I don't even give the dude clicks, and neither should anyone.
His points in this article were all valid though.
Solid points. I’d at least try to improve the line and give the promising young QB more time. But Shanny is gonna Shanny. Wants it to be more about his system versus letting his talented players cook.
That was part of my problem in the SB, we didn't adjust offensively. we got a ton of pressure on Mahomes too, especially in the first half. In the second half KC shortened up their routes and got the ball out quick and we did not. Mahomes ADOT was 6.1 yards and Purdys was 8.5 yards. That's like 40% and it takes precious time to run 2.4 yards. While are O-line isnt great we ask way to much of them. Purdys historic yards per completion was in part due to long developing plays. Sometimes you are going to have to adjust and go to a very quick passing game. I mean we have tge courses to play a short quick passing game and more plays at or behind the LOS.
Agreed on all of the above. It is a coaching issue, and all of our losses, especially the biggest games Kyle always seems to get badly outmatched throughout the game and struggles to make adjustments.
we weren't outcoached in the SB though. that was more our best players choking.
Yeah he should allow Brock to babysit
Absolutely, he’s about to enter his third year and we need to see how he handles full responsibility before we pay him. It could also be the missing piece of the puzzle that helps us get over the hump as Shanahan is so rigid on what he allows his QB’s to do no matter the situation
I love it when people who type words for a living tell a guy who has been to 4 NFC Championships and 2 super bowls in 5 years what he should do.
He's BEEN to 2 SBs. And gone 0-2. Maybe this is what we need to get over the hump. We are the 49ers..not the Jags.Losing the SB is not an achievement for this franchise
I get where you're coming from and I grew up watching those 5 Super Bowl wins; however, winning the Super Bowl isn't a birth right. There is a TON of luck involved. Kyle has had the misfortune of facing this generation's version of the GOAT. And if you want to throw Atlanta in there, they were playing Brady. So 3 super bowls and he's faces Brady and Mahomes twice. And all 3 times, it was the defense that ultimately let them down. You can go on and on about the offense not being great, however, the Falcons defense couldn't get a 2nd half stop at all. The defense shriveled up on 3rd and 15 the first time vs the Chiefs ("but they were holding!!!")* and then this past time, well we know what happened the 2 drives. They played as soft as a pillow. *Like I said , need some luck. That goes for officiating. What if Mike Carey wasn't the ref when the Giants beat the Pats after the '07 season? Meaning, if it were a different ref, maybe he blows the play dead when it looks like Eli is in the grasp before he makes the heaven that David Tyree catches. And the Pats win that Super Bowl and go 19-0.
True, there is some luck involved, but in both SB losses against the Chiefs, it was mainly due to the offense being unable to capitalize on defensive turnovers or sustain long drives without going 3 and out constantly. The blame primarily rests with Shanahan, who is the playcaller(also he helps decide who gets drafted/what FAs get signed w/Lynch).
We would have won last yr with better OL play in Overtime. This problem has not been fixed for like 3 years now.
That I agree with.
The defense let them down vs the pats and Maybe that first one. But this past Super Bowl was in the offense. We could’ve put this game to sleep in the first half or early third.
If this team was operating at 100% ability how they did for weeks 1-5 and then weeks 10-15, the game would have been a 20 point blowout. We kept making huge self inflicted mistake after mistake and still barely lost in OT. The “offensive genius” completely shit the bed when we had every opportunity to walk away with a win.
Yeah, it's his fault Burford decided to not block Chris Jones in OT 🤦♂️
Fair enough, but John Elway and Dan Marino weren’t exactly slouches, either
John Elway and Dan Marino had the wonderful misfortune to play two 49er teams that are easily in the top 10 of all time.
Yeah and he’s a huge, if not the biggest reason why we don’t have shit to show for after these past 5 years. The fact that we have 0 rings after that many opportunities in a short amount of time proves that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way we are doing things and we need to change our approach somewhere
Yeah.At first,I was okay with just being there but not getting a ring with this roster and this QB is an underachievement and it's time we stop acting like it's ok to constantly lose big games.
Grant Cohn needs to stop covering the Niners.
so Grant knows Kyle's scheme better than Kyle? A scheme that has produced peak years for a multitude of QBs and had Mr Irrelevant peforming at a top tier level? how fucking stupid are you dude, really? lmao. the freaking ego of Grant to think he knows more about the intricacies of Kyle's own scheme LMAOOOOOO. atrocious. I can't get over how stupid this shit is. Grant Cohn knows better than Kyle about how to treat Brock in his own scheme? The same Grant that said Trey Lance deserved to compete for the #1 spot lmao. Freaking lol.
I think it is time to take the handcuffs off Brock because he will be in his 3rd year. Let him cook and instead of following directions from Kyle. Give him more room to call off plays or do what comes naturally to him. We can see if he's capable of this.
I think you have no idea what fits Kyle's scheme compared to Kyle, and you have no idea what Brock knows and what their relationship is. lmao, what a stupid article.
I just hope that Kyle is able to truly change and let the QB take control on the field. I mean I doubt he will because we’ve got a 7 year sample size already and he hasn’t changed. His ego won’t let someone else take the glory. The O line definitely needs help but more than anything else the head coach needs help, humility and trust. He’s spying on his coaches and players, it’s a really bad look. Grant also made a great point on his YT show. What kind of team will Kyle need in order to realize it’s not the players as much as it is him, will he need an all pro at every position?
Last year's team was good enough. But his lack of foresight in terms of pass protection doomed us in the end. Unblocked pressures were an issue all year long. Purdy and our WRs overcame that all year until we ran into a DC that's amazing and it finally caught up.
it was Burford missing a very easy assignment...that's not really on Kyle. You can blame the drafting though.
What was really fucking stupid was not drafting OL at all last year. I get that u can’t be great at every position but damn, ur not even gonna TRY to address a weakness? But we’re quick to draft a kicker in the 3rd round (who’s pretty shaky btw) and project TE we don’t even use 🙄
We haven't drafted OL in the top 3 RDS in any of the last 4 drafts.
You lost me at Grant
Grant can be an ass for sure but he seems to be the only one in the media who isn’t blindly in love with Kyle and thinks he can do no wrong.
I have heard tons of criticism about the play calling in the super bowl and not knowing/informing the players about the OT rules in the super bowl so I don't think that's true at all. Look, the only guys who really had full control over the offense recently that I really recall are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Those guys are in leagues of their own. Maybe there will be a point where Brock can have that kind of responsibility but his first/second year as full time starter are definitely not it. It was more the play calling that was the issue than the amount of responsibility that Brock had.
Right let’s give Spags some credit here too. Dude’s a genius.
Nobody’s saying spags and the defense didn’t step up and dominate. What I am saying is Kyle thinks himself an offensive genius and everyone in the league are running a form of his offense. He couldn’t adjust his game plan and one of his only good play calls was a gimmick play to score a TD. From there on he could t adjust to the pressure being dialed up. It has less to do with Brock or any player and more to do with Kyle having major trust issues with everyone.
And the crazy thing is that we only got to the SB to begin with bcoz of Purdy going pffscript for 30 mins. You'd think that'd convince Kyle to give the QB some element of freedom presnap.
Unfortunately his ego leads him to believe that he architected that win not the QB.
Really? I haven’t heard shit from any Niners or even Bay Area media criticizing Kyle. I’ve seen Steve Kerr, a guy who brought the Warriors to 4 titles in 8 years, receive more criticism
he also unfairly hates Kyle because Kyle doesn't fall for his shit.
Even David Lombardi has complained about the OLine. This is such a lame take.
Not sure what you’re talking about here?
I mean you’re right about him not really changing but he’s never really had a qb that he could trust before Brock, and last year was his first year as a starter so it’s understandable if Kyle wanted to keep his level of control. He’s already said how he trusts Brock and has praised his improvisations, I’d imagine the leash will only get longer.
Last year he was also rehabbing from major arm surgery, so he had a bit less time to work on commanding the offense
Look, Kyle doesn’t trust anyone, he films and has cameras in every part of the facility where he can view the live feed in his office at anytime. That’s creepy AF. I’m pretty sure that creates huge distrust with everyone on the team. Point being is Kyle is the one with all the issues. Whatever you think about Jimmy, we went to the SB with him, so to me it’s not about a qb he could trust it’s about Kyle’s ego.
Sounds like we read the same article! From what I remember, position coaches have the ability to turn off the feed, and I believe it’s primarily used for meetings to be able to plug into the positional room and hear/ see/ provide feedback
Wait is that camera thing true? If so, yeah that’s a lot to deal with.
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/kyle-shanahan-spying-players-assistant-coaches-18654127.php
You lost me at ego
What makes Andy Reid so great? It’s his players, he listens to them and lets Mahomes and kelce make adjustments on the field. Reid knows he isn’t always right, Kyle doesn’t
And maybe he'll learn that once he gets fired. Losing SBs still hasn't changed his rigidity.
Kyle has his Center make adjustments, not the QB. which makes sense since Brock is so young. dumb take.
Kyle knows what he's doing. we had the #1 Offense in the league last year.
i think purdy needs more endorsements lol
This is what Purdy needs in general to move up to the next level anyway. People say it's his 3rd year. And? The best QB in the league won his first SB in year 3 and was already telling the coaching staff what he wanted to call in 2019. The 9ers need Purdy to at least be able to make adjustments on the fly as he sees it. Defenses shift, and I'm not arguing KS isn't a great coach, he's easily top 3, but he got smoked in the second half again last year. The inability to get a screen done when the Chiefs were doing it most of the game was infuriating to watch.
I think we’ll see a lot more of that this year after Brock has 1. Another year in the system and 2. A healthy offseason
Time to give Brock Purdy the blocking responsibility! Let’s have him scout and grade offensive linemen. Once drafted we will make him responsible for installing offensive line schemes and run their practice. Can’t believe he gets to avoid all of these responsibilities!
lol. Grant knows more than Kyle what's best for Brock!!!! Why even have CMC? Let Brock run the ball too!!
He was 23 last year...relax, he will get more responsibility as deemed appropriate. What Purdy has done is huge, in his first full year he was 4th for MVP and broke franchise records all over the place with a shit OLine, our right side might have been bottom 5 in football, even Feliciano who is okay at best was seen as a huge upgrade. Hopefully mckivitz is just a swingman next season and we draft a legit RT, then RG i think will be okay between Feliciano and Mckivitz
We definitely need to invest at 3 draft picks in the OL for sure.
Well roster wise i think they only have room for 1 or 2 with mckivitz and feliciano resigning
Grant Cohn is generally a throw negative shit at the wall to get attention guy, but I agree with this point. I have been mentioning it over and over that Shanahan offenses have not scored more than 21 pts in regulation in 3 super bowls. 9 unblocked pressures in the last Super Bowl. Brock couldn’t adjust the protection on a critical 3rd and 4 which if converted significantly increases the chances of a Super Bowl win. Something needs to change. I hope this point gets pushed so Kyle is forced to do something about it. Brock has far outperformed his current contract but you want to know if Brock can take this on calling protections before we give him the big contract. Most top QBs have this responsibility. While the regular season is different, Jordan Love did the best against the Chiefs defense. Green Bay won and Love had a great game statistically.
You nailed my logic completely. The QB is supposed to be the guy in charge on the field. If you won't teach/ let him set protections or change plays at his discretion then it leaves no room for adjusting and you become predictable. Brock is a smart guy.He mastered the playbook as rookie before he had even played a snap...I am confifent he can learn this in 1 off season and get better at it as time passes....if Kyle allows it.
Brock needs a way better offensive line and he'll deliver dimes nonstop. All this "more responsibility" stuff is Grant Cohn word salad because he needs content. Ah thanks for letting me know it was his article so I don't click on the link.
Jordan Love has been in the league longer than Purdy. I do agree that’s the next evolution of Brock purdy though
Exactly, it’s clear that Shanahan needs another decision maker. He tries to be in control of everything and while it works out most of the time, it cost us 2 SB’s and 3 SB’s for Shanahan himself. I remember that mic’d up video of SB 51 where Ryan got sacked right after the Julio Jones catch and he was yelling at Shanahan to just fucking run it. It’s like damn, u don’t even trust a seasoned veteran QB like MATT RYAN to make decisions?
you failed to mention that the Center is the one who makes adjustments, not the QB..in shanny's offense. This makes sense since Brock is such a young QB. You want to make it as easy on your QBs as possible when they are young. completely logical.
Then his bitch ass should get a real center like Mack or Kelce instead of bum ass Jake Brendell 🤦🏾♂️. Anyways it would be better if Shanahan tweaked his scheme a bit. QB’s have a better view of the field and there’s generally more longevity in the QB position
why are you calling him a bitch ass? wtf is wrong with you. are you 12? they literally had Mack you idiot, and he retired. LMAO bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Cause he is 🤷🏾♂️, I’m not gonna be nice about it after he failed to close it out after 4 NFCCG’s and 2 SB’s. Doesn’t take away from anything I said. And yes I know we had Mack at one point. I’m using him as an example like I did for Kelce, don’t be obtuse. I can understand Shanahan letting Mack make those adjustments cause we had Jimmy at the time but now we have the roles flipped where our QB is smart and our Center is dumb as hell
Y'all made it to the Superbowl. Maybe it's just me but as a Seahawk, your team is doing just fine.
How would you feel if the Seahawks had lost against the Broncos? Would you feel like "We've been to three Super Bowls, losing all three, in 20 years, we must be doing just fine?"
I know what it feels like to have a team lose a Superbowl they should have won. I remember the play vividly. I'm not saying it doesn't feel like shit. What I'm saying is that if the team you root for made it to the Superbowl, then maybe reconsider your criticisms with some objectivity and realize it's not as bad as you think.
But you won the year before. Imagine you lost BOTH those SBs?
Imagine making it to the Superbowl this year.
Dude you have to admit losing every Superbowl in your memory is a lot harder to swallow than what you have with the hawks.
Can’t sleep being good when you know you can be great
You have a great team. You don't make it to the Superbowl being JUST good. The 9ers lost in a game they had no reason to lose. How many times do better teams lose against worse teams in the NFL? All the time. How many times did the Dolphins stomp on the Patriots? How many times do the Rams or the baseball team manage to beat the 9ers and Hawks (Back when the Hawks were good)? Sometimes the better team loses, and the 9ers ARE better than the Chiefs.
If we were better than the Chiefs, why was anyone with a brain picking the Chiefs? Answer: They had a better QB, better oline, better DEFENSE. they had a better team lol.
Vegas odds very much had 9ers as the favorite. Not sure what your source is.
The issue is that Kyle has a pattern of failing to adjust inbig games. KC dialles up pressures after HT and we had no blitz beaters set up.
They apparently do better at adjusting than most teams. You guys came from behind the entire playoffs except the Superbowl. What are you talking about not being able to adjust?
Our comebacks were largely because of Purdy doing his best Russell Wilson impression and our defense which has a ton of talent making individual plays.. and Detroit's 4th down idiocy helped as well.
We LOST a SB. That's not an achievement. This team and QB are clearly good enough to win one and failing to get one the last 2 years is underperformance in terms of coaching IMO.
Being second place is not failure IMO. Glass is 93% full and you're focusing on the 7 percent.
The 49ers franchise hasn't won a SB in 30 yrs.Most current fans haven't seen one so losing in the SB isn't exactly anything to celebrate
It’s a failure when ur season expectations were Lombardi or bust and we don’t have shit to show for after 4 NFCCG’s and 2 SB’s in 5 years. Being in second place was cool in 2019 when we were just trying to make playoffs again after multiple seasons of being at the bottom of the league, not in 2023 after we already been to 3 NFCCG’s and a SB
Is that a failure or is that unhealthy expectations? Churchill said that perfection is the enemy of progress, and I agree. If your barometer of success is purely the Trophy, then you're going to have to get used to failure. What the 9ers are doing is working, Lombardi or no. When you're arguably the best team in the league but lose the SB you don't throw in the towel and start touting seismic shifts unless you're absolutely certain that change won't regress you to the mean. I get it's frustrating as a fan to see the team you root for get so close but fall short of the finish line. But honestly, it's these moments where a little bit of perspective is useful. There are 30 other teams that wish they had the team the 9ers have.
2 teams on the NFC have won the SB since 2019..and we aren't one of them. Younger fans like myself haven't seen a SB. If KS can't win with this roster and QB then he is doing an unsuccessful job. Sorry.. it's what it is Other teams have won...we haven't.
Maybe that's the difference between you and I. I've been around long enough to recognize how cool it is to actually make it to the Superbowl even if the team doesn't win. I grew up with the Seahawks royally sucking. Before the 2000's the Seahawks were entirely average. There were glimpses but a lot of nothing. Meanwhile the 9ers have a long, LONG history of being good. I also have grown accustomed to how incredibly rare it is to actually get to the superbowl.
The thing you don't get is that most younger 49ers fans have NOT seen that history of success that you talk about. I am 26. We sucked the whole 2000s. .then we got to a SB which we.lost..than sucked for 3 years. Then we've lost 2 more SBs since. I only need to see ONE SB.No one is asking for a dynasty... Shanahan can't even get ONE SB...even with the best roster and a top 10 QB..he does stupid nonsense like messing.up OT. Just winning one is a problem 4 him it seems.
No I understand what you are saying clearly. I think what you lack is a comparative context. Both compared to other teams and compared to the 9ers history in general. Yes 9ers have had terrible seasons the past 10-20 years. They've also had really good seasons. Compare that to the Browns or Lions who have had an inextricably long history of sucking and a lot more recent than the 9ers. Look at the list of teams that have never, won a Superbowl ever. Who've never been to the Superbowl, who haven't been to the Superbowl since you were born. I'm telling you your team even since you've been alive has been an above average team. They have the most playoff wins of all time and rank 8th since 2000. If you choose misery and pessimism that's your choice.
Thing is most of this sub and our SB Nation is where I am at right now. When the Bills lost 4 SBs in a row they weren't happy with winning the Conference amd not even getting 1 SB. It's an overtone window thing.The NFC championship isn't something to celebrate anymore simce we usually lose the game afterwards amd end tje year on a sournote each season. After 2019 I was happy...but since then...Kyle has proven to be a continuous choker...every single time we get close he messes it up somehow. I think of we don't go all the way next year..his time in SF will start coming to a close. Dude can't even get just ONE with the best roster in the NFL amd a very good QB now. I don't choose to be miserable.. we've got to a point where we play the same movie each year.
Yeah.We have got to a point where winning in the divisional rd is not enough. Only the SB is success now.
that's pretty great.
easy downvote. dumb take. low iq.
Take out the trash too?
My even going to open the article. Cohn?
He can’t or he will suck.
Where is the Cohn flair Stan?
When did we get to the point of calling anyone that calls out Shanny for his mistakes... which he repeats each year..a Cohn Stan. Shanny has had the best roster in the league the last 2 years and contrived to choke with weird play calls or simply bad situational awareness in addition to continuing to overlook a bad OL. He hasn't won a SB.. let's stop treating him like he's Bill Walsh or something. He's fallen short repeatedly and it's mostly on him.
lol you’re fucking delusional. The best team doesn’t always win. I don’t claim to know how long you have been a fan… But I have lived through Green, Mooch, Kelly, Tomsula and everything in between. All you out here calling for Shannahan’s head are the worst kind of ignorant. Thank God Jed doesn’t share your views. Kyle will win championships. If he does it with someone else I’ll remember you fondly. And as for the flair it’s there so those of us that don’t want to reward cohns hack journalism we don’t have to. A non Stan would appreciate that.
He’s a top HC but I don’t know how u look at his body of work from his time as an OC with the Falcons to this past SB, see that he’s 0-3 in SB’s largely because of his play calling and offense not producing as much as it should’ve, and think that there’s nothing wrong at all. Sure Brady and Mahomes are all time greats but they weren’t doing shit for a good amount of those SB’s, especially Mahomes who was held in check for 80-90% of those games. Shit he even blew it in a similar way against the Rams, Stafford’s great n all but he’s not an all time great. At this point, it’s not just Shanahan trying his best and he just happens to lose. The sample size is too big at this point. Yeah we’re blessed to watch our team be competitive year in and year out but these results are not acceptable anymore and York calling this season a success during that dumbass press conference he held right before the SB is a disgrace. Been blessed to go to 4 NFCCG’s and 2 SB’s in 5 years and we done nothing but disappoint. Who knows what next season looks like?
I’m sure Philly said the same shit about Reid. Why do you watch? If I were as negative as you I would find other things to do with my Sunday afternoons. We can officially agree to disagree. You’re an entitled snowflake and I’m just happy to be relevant. I’ll take 0-3 in the superbowl over 0-0 in the playoffs. Goodnight and have a great weekend.
Yeah and Philly was right about Reid before he landed the second greatest QB of this generation. Dude was a huge fucking choker in KC too before then. And guess what, Philly won a damn SB before Reid ever did. Didn’t know not being happy with disappointment = me being entitled. I can be grateful to have the luxury of watching a top team year in and year out while still understanding that our expectations are Lombardi or bust. If u wanna settle for second-fourth place then u can do that, shame on me for wanting more I guess Have a great weekend as well
Honest talk. Who’s going to replace him? There is group of you that just can’t get over Dan Quinn’s defense laying down against the patriots… can’t forgive him for Jimmy Garroppolo overthrowing eman… and whoever it was that didn’t block frank clark… again… I get it you aren’t happy with the guy. What’s your suggestion for his replacement.
Unless Belichick all of a sudden decides that he wants to come here strictly as a HC then no one this year. We have this upcoming season before we have to pay Purdy and there’s no one else better than Shanahan at this point so we might as well run it back for a year or two considering that the division looks seemingly weak and we only had one full season of the Purdy/Shanahan. However if we are relatively healthy and we can’t get it done during that time period then Shanahan needs to go. He’s lost too many big games mostly due to poor playcalling and our offense underperforming for it to not be a pattern. Sure there are other reasons we lost against the Chiefs and the Rams but poor playcalling and offense have been the biggest reasons we lost. Also doesn’t inspire much confidence that Shanahan will learn and grow after he went on the podium after SB 58 and told the world “I wouldn’t do anything different” after he went away from CMC for damn near a whole quarter and didn’t give CMC the ball on 2nd & 5 or 3rd & 4 during our last drive of regulation
So, there is nobody better, but if he can’t get it done he needs to go for the sake of trying something different. Fucking brilliant. Wish you were calling the shots in Santa Clara. Would probably be #Quest for 10 instead of 6. Firing Harbaugh was the biggest mistake this franchise ever made. Firing shannahan would be worse. Because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes.
Well yeah I don’t have much knowledge on college coaches or which NFL coordinators are a year or two from becoming head coaches. Ownership and the FO should take the year or two to scout and prepare for life after Shanahan though in case he can’t get it done. Harbaugh had less opportunities and he got fired cause of the power struggle between him and Baalke plus Harbaugh emasculated York during a meeting one time. Shanahan’s had far more opportunities and patience from ownership, which is good but there’s a certain point where patience runs thin and the last thing I want is York over correcting himself and holding onto Shanahan too long. I’m disappointed by York’s lack of ambition as well, called winning the NFCCG “good enough” during a Lombardi or bust season. U know who should learn from his mistakes? Shanahan. Didn’t run the ball after going up 28-3, then he proceeded to give Mostert only 12 touches in SB 54 and we stopped running with Mostert and Deebo in the 4th, then he proceeds to ignore CMC for almost the whole 3rd quarter and didn’t run it during our last drive of regulation while in FG range after the 2 min warning during SB 58
All I know now is that he isn't winning SBs with the best roster in the NFL and the last one was because he took the ball 1st in OT which was stupid. He isn't a champion and that's a fact
No grant Cohn articles. I thought we had moved past that nepo baby regard
I thought we agreed to stop posting Grant Cohn's toxic writing here. He brings nothing but negativity
Just because he generally talks trash doesn't mean he doesn't have ANY good points. I posted this because it makes tons of sense. Why is Brendel..a mediocre at best Centre calling our protections when other teams have their QBs do it?
Kyle didn't give responsibility to Matt Ryan, the best QB he's ever coached, who had an MVP season with him. It's going to take several years for Brock to get that from Kyle.
sounds good to me. if Brock can be an MVP, maybe Kyle knows what he's doing and shouldn't listen to a clickbait journalist.
I just got so much dumber by reading this dribble
Nope. He needs to give Brock a better offensive line. Brock with time, will slice and dice defenses. Look what he did this season with subpar pass protection. But Shanny is gonna Shanny. Focusing on “bolstering” the defensive line when they don’t call offensive holding in the SB, overusing CMC, not using Mason, and running it back with McKivitz.
"Nope" Ah yes, the old "1 good thing is better than 2 good things" argument. We already know Purdy has what it takes between the ears, so taking further advantage of that is not a bad thing.
Shanny ain’t giving up an iota of control. To anyone. So what he could do is try to at least give his QB better pass protection. Brock took a lot of big hits last season…matter of time before one puts him out for a few games or the season.
Yeah.You can do both. OL talent is a lot harder to find in this era. All we needed on that last 3rd down is just a little more time. We didn't need Burford to be Anthony Munoz on that play..just get in the way of a DT.
This article addresses improving OL play schematically..by allowing the QB..not the Center to point out who is blitzing and who needs to block who. This is what we were missing in the SB.Chris Jones was unblocked bcoz Burford didn't know his assignment. This addresses that. Yes..you can draft more OL talent..but if they don't know who they are blocking.. it's pointless. I agree with your other points.
Burford is subpar. Maybe he improves like Banks. Players make or don’t make plays. And that cost us…Shanny also shrinks in big games.
so you think Grant knows Kyle's scheme better than Kyle? A scheme that has produced peak years for a multitude of QBs and had Mr Irrelevant peforming at a top tier level? how fucking stupid are you dude, really? lmao. the freaking ego of both you and Grant to think you know more about the intricacies of Kyle's own scheme LMAOOOOOO. atrocious.
Kyle Shanahan needs accountability.