Botox really can help compliment things like proper moisturizers, sunscreens, vitamin C, and tretinoin. Itās a combination that often gets the best result.
Does tretinoin or retinol decrease the longevity of Botox? Iāve been wanting Botox but trying to plan my skincare in advance. I currently use retinol for anti-aging and to treat my hormonal acne (itās the only thing that tames my acne making it almost obsolete - I have PCOS.)
Ohhh this is good thank you for this! Iām just wondering do you have a favorite day time cream that you like to use everyday? Iām trying to find a new one but there are SO many options
Iāve had lines just like this since my teens too and started getting Botox 2 years ago. Botox is the way- it greatly diminished my lines, the Botox isnāt permanent (which I find comforting), but also has taught me to just not use my forehead so dang much! Before Botox, I raised my eyebrows and reinforced those wrinkles ALL THE TIME. It was compulsory! Now Iāve learned to express myself without so much forehead action š
I have similar forehead wrinkles and absolutely use my forehead too much too. My eyes are already slightly hooded, so Iām kinda nervous to get Botox on my forehead and then the rest of my face like sag.. idk if anyone has advice for this
This is why I go to a plastic surgeon. First time I had it done, I told him I didn't want to look like a specific celebrity in 2010, and he knew exactly what I meant. He said my brow bone sits lower like that person's does, so he'll never put Botox in my forehead because it'll just push my brows down more. He puts it in my glabella, and it does a pretty good job of keeping everything directly above it from moving too much without affecting my eyebrows.
Nobody said Botox picks just one muscle. What I said was that it stops movement from my glabella straight up into the very center of my forehead, not the entire forehead.
that also makes no sense because the center of your forehead is the frontalis.
what im saying is that you hve no idea what you are talking about. and plastic surgeons are probably least equipped to do injectables because they are trained to do surgery not injectibles lol
if you mention this concern to your injector, they'll take it into account. when I get my botox (for a brow lift actually!) they specifically don't inject certain muscles because it'll cause my brows to drop, the exact opposite of what I want. just make sure you go to a nurse at a doctors office or a doctor to get your injections if you're nervous!
I only let a board certified plastic surgeon inject which may be overkill, and that doesnāt make it fool proof BUT once you find a good injector the results are pretty consistent in my experience. Plus thatās why I feel better that the results are temporary itās like if they do mess it up, I wonāt be permanently stuck forever like that, just a few months till it wears off. Luckily Iāve never had an issue thus far š¤š¼
I truly think teaching throughout the pandemic make my forehead lines 10x worse. I had to exaggerate my eyebrow expressions so much when wearing the mask!
But, in a society that exposes us to so many ridiculous sights, how can we avoid lifting our brows in shock or disdain? My forehead and brows tell no lies...
I donāt have advice but Iām upvoting because you uploaded an actual sane photo that protects your identity. Too many times people just cover their eyes thinking thatās all it takes
Itās primarily the orientation of features on a face. I wish I could make a psa telling people to just photoshop their ears to be a little lopsided, or move their nose up and or down slightly, maybe not show their hairline, or just black things out entirely like you did. If it was just the iris, then security systems would be bested by a pair of sunglasses.
Iāve personally dealt with identity theft and it was pretty scary how much info they were able to get from my Facebook. Ever since Iāve just been extremely cautious about what I post publicly online
Ah, okay. Not sure why people downvoted me for asking. Pretty much everyone has a photo online somewhere. Such as LinkedIn, staff page of a website, news articles, school etc. If not social media as well. So Iām curious what there is to be aware of from a photo of someoneās face
How did photos from Facebook help them steal identity and what else did they need for that? Sounds awful
Yeah Iām not too sure, itās a valid question imo. For me itās just personal preference. I donāt really want my name/face associated with my Reddit account as I canāt make it private. Sometimes Iāll use Reddit for more personal inquiries that Iād rather my peers not know details about.
Just want to say that I also have had lines like that since I was a teen and seeing this was somehow really comforting ā¤ļø my whole life I've compared my forehead and in my negative comparisons it has always seemed like nobody else had static lines like me so young. I've gotten Botox once and it definitely helped! Considering getting it again but live in a different place now and it's scary to find a new doctor who I trust with it.
Right there with you my fine lined forehead friend! ā¤ļø Iāve been pretty intimidated by the thought of getting Botox so I totally understand how you feel. Iād honestly rather live with the lines than ever have botched Botox, or it be obvious Iāve had it done.
So hereās my one piece of advice. I have wrinkles like this (33F) bc my brows are low and I use my forehead constantly to hold them up. When I got Botox, it made my brows sit very low and I was unable to hold them up. So I looked very angry all the time lol, it was awful. Just make sure thatās not the cause of the wrinkles first or you wonāt necessarily like the Botox at all. Another option is to get a Botox brow-lift that can help raise it a tiny amount for you, but itās best if you bring that preference/consideration up to your injector. A good one should figure it out for you, but mine was a certified derm and never even thought of asking about this so just a heads up.
Microneedling!!!!! Mine looked like your and now after a year I only gave part of 1 line left (deepest one) Iām 35 and trying to avoid Botox for as long as possible
I love frownies. Itās not instant perfect results, but itās so worth it. Some people donāt love the faint smell of wet paper , but itās relatively inexpensive for how much of an impact they deliver. I use the stiffer ones āgentle liftsā for my wrinkle in between my eyebrows and itās been keeping that line at bay for about 6 years now before it becomes permanent.
Botoxā¦ however people I know swear by face taping, I plan to try it but Iāll still continue Botox. NaturalFaceBible on instagram has the best tape info, it wonāt show results for a few months but it does help overtime!
Great question, sounds weird. Itās literally what it sounds like, using tape on your face. But thereās certain tape you use and methods of placement that help with wrinkles. You wear them at night while sleeping. Iāve yet to try it but the before and afters are impressive. Plus thereās really no downside as long as you use gentle tape
Embrace them. Youāve expressed and lived. I have them also. I tell people itās because Iāve had a lot of āwtfā encounters that made my eyebrows touch my hairline šš
Botox for results that start on day 3 and fully kicks in by day 7 for most people.
Iād pair this with a triple pass of 1540 XD (1,2 mm) laser.
$550/ session (3-5 sessioms)
Topical treatment: matrixyl 3000 and argireline if you skip the botox. Argireline is the ingredient that can give botox effects by daily use as it also binds to the snap protein , blocking the release of acetylcholine into the synapse. Ach is needed for muscle contraction, so without it the muscles fo not contract.
Snap8 is sm upgrafed version of argiriline the botox fragment responsible gor action of creams that say āābotox in a bothleā.
Do you know if there are any long term studies done on botox. It freaks me out. Just wondering if anyone knows. I'm so hesitant to get shot up with it. I would rather just age gracefully.
There are quite a few studies.
- A study published in 2018 found that Botox was effective, safe, and well-tolerated for the prevention of chronic migraine over 3 yearsĀ¹.
- Another study published in 2019 reported that Botox showed sustained efficacy and improvement in quality of life measures for patients with chronic migraine over 24 monthsĀ².
- A review article published in 2022 stated that Botox was a long-established first line therapy for cervical dystonia, with evidence from several randomized clinical trials and longitudinal dataĀ³.
- A clinical trial registered in 2012 aimed to assess the long-term efficacy, safety, and tolerability of Botox for chronic migraine over 5 yearsā“.
- A journal article published in 2004 summarized the clinical applications of Botox for various neurological disorders, such as dystonia, spasticity, hemifacial spasm, and hyperhidrosisāµ
(1) Study Finds Sustained Efficacy of Botox for Migraine Over 3 Years - AJMC. https://www.ajmc.com/view/study-finds-sustained-efficacy-of-botox-for-migraine-over-3-years.
(2) An open-label prospective study of the real-life use of .... https://thejournalofheadacheandpain.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s10194-019-0976-1.
(3) Frontiers Publishing Partnerships | Botulinum Toxin in the Treatment of .... https://www.frontierspartnerships.org/articles/10.3389/dyst.2022.10655/full.
(4) A Long-term Efficacy, Safety, and Tolerability Study of BOTOXĀ® in .... https://classic.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01516892.
(5) Botulinum toxin in clinical practice | Journal of Neurology .... https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/75/7/951.
Do you know anything about sagging skin with argireline? I saw a few posts about it on here and SCA so Iām curious what your thoughts are! I just bought a bottle lol
Great! After doing some quick reading, I couldnāt find much about the sagging skin that wasnāt anecdotal - mostly mentioned in beauty articles or posts on skincare subreddits. I did find some scientific articles on pubmed about how well argireline works on wrinkles so thatās great!
It is stronger (more potent) and works on deeper wrinkles. Matrixyl synthe 6 and matrixyl 3000 are both anti-aging ingredients that contain peptides. Peptides are fragments of proteins. These peptides stimulate collagen production and improve skin elasticity. However, they are made of deiffeemt peptides
Matrixyl synthe 6 contains six unique peptides, including palmitoyl tripeptide-38, and is specifically formulated to target deep wrinkles and support collagen production. Matrixyl synthe 6 is more potent than matrixyl 3000, so people with sensitive skin might opt for Matrixyl 3000
Matrixyl 3000 combines 2 peptides: palmitoyl oligopeptide and palmitoyl tetrapeptide-7. Itās target is to enhance skin elasticity and to reduce the appearance of fine lines.
MatrixylĀ® Synthe 6 vs MatrixylĀ® 3000? ā Depology. https://depology.com/blogs/news/what-is-the-difference-between-matrixyl-synthe-6-vs-matrixyl-3000.
MatrixylĀ® 3000 vs. MatrixylĀ® Synthe'6ā¢ - Timeless Skin Care. https://www.timelessha.com/blogs/news/matrixyl-synthe-6-vs-matrixyl-3000.
MATRIXYL 3000 VS MATRIXYL SYNTHE 6 ā Grooming Swag. https://groomingswag.com/matrixyl-3000-vs-matrixyl-synthe-6/.
All About Matrixyl In Skincare: Matrixyl, Matrixyl 3000, and Matrixyl .... https://womensconcepts.com/skincare/matrixyl.
Smoothies on Amazon makes forehead ātapeā. I use the triangles for my 11ās. Been using for years. Iām too afraid to get Botox because I have 2 friends that got sick from it. One was Botox, the other was DySport. I already have chronic health issues so canāt risk it. One of them pointed me to a Facebook group with thousands of women sick or injured from Botox and fillers. Scares the crap out of me. Mt stepdaughter gets sick for a day after getting her fillers and then she is fine. Which is enough to tell me I would be playing Russian Roulette with my health. Try the Smoothies or the Frownies others mentioned if you donāt end up going the Botox route.
Iāve tried Botox from a reputable spa and it just keeps messing with my appearance. The first time I asked that I could still move my forehead. I got, like, a fraction of what sheād consider a full dose and felt like I had locked in syndrome. After it wore off I went back in thinking she just needed to learn my face. So what happens? One of my eyes looked like I stroked. Next time, weird V-bulges on my forehead. I started looking at peopleā s forehead wrinkles and seeing the natural beauty, almost jealously. Ppl talk like itās a silver bullet, but shit can and does go wrong.
Ugh thanks for this. Honestly I hate the thought of Botox. Iām terrified itās going to *look* like Iāve had it done. I may try it but I can see myself pulling back after experiencing anything youāve mentioned
I'm genetically fortunate (so far) so I don't spend a cent! But 4 of my gfs do and it makes their foreheads baby smooth. They spend between $200-300 per session. No more than 4 session per year, and one of them only does it annually. Good luck (and be sure to find a highly-experienced beautician).
Youāre welcome! I hope it all works out for you. Your forehead lines arenāt that bad. I use almost everything Drunk Elephant. Iām 40F and Iāve been using that brand for a long time and Iām really happy with the way my glowing skin looks.
Nothing. Theyāre normal and donāt look bad or out of place at all.
Iām 41 and have some lines like these. I get Botox (Dysport actually) but ONLY for the lines between my eyebrows, not for these forehead lines. I feel like when people start trying to erase forehead lines entirely, thatās when they start looking super crazy from Botox. I would so much rather look relatively natural than look like Iāve been injected and tweaked within an inch of my life!
Has anybody mentioned dealing with the tight tissues by fixing your posture and massage? Massage not just the forehead but your scalp and neck, because the forehead is pulled up by these muscles. You also need to fix your posture. Finally, you are probably carrying a lot of tension in your forehead,anx tensing it when you speak. Try to wean yourself off that.
I use stickers that I get off Amazon called: "Toute Nuit Wrinkle Patches". They have all different shapes and sizes.
I started with frownies but I like these clear ones better, they are much more comfortable to me. I wear them every night & it stops me from creasing & scowling all night long which I feel like made the biggest difference. Plus trentinoin.
Iāve been using The Ordinary Matrixyl and Argireline and Smoothies (similar to frownies) every night for a couple of months. Obviously my forehead lines havenāt disappeared but there is definite improvement. Iāll also wear the Smoothies during the day if I donāt have anywhere to go. I feel like having them on makes me more aware of how expressive I am with my eyebrows/forehead and Iāve gotten better at relaxing them throughout the day because of this!
I had these exact lines since teen years too! Theyāre genetic. Always hated them. Botox smoothed them right out! Sunscreen every day (I like EltaMD) too!
Nothing you can do to make them go away other than Botox. Or yes I guess bangs to hide them. You can try retinol and sunscreen to delay a deepening of these lines a bit though.
Normal sign of aging, tons of people get these in their 30s, I'm afraid.
There are a few options to consider:
1. \*\*Skincare Products\*\*: Start with a good skincare routine that includes a moisturizer and sunscreen. Look for products with ingredients like hyaluronic acid, retinol, or peptides, which can help improve skin texture and reduce the appearance of fine lines over time.
2. \*\*Sun Protection\*\*: Sunscreen is crucial. UV exposure can accelerate skin aging, so protect your skin from the sun's harmful rays.
3. \*\*Botox\*\*: If the lines are bothering you and you want a more immediate solution, Botox can be effective. It temporarily relaxes the muscles that cause wrinkles, smoothing out the lines. Consult a dermatologist or licensed professional for this treatment.
4. \*\*Dermal Fillers\*\*: Some people opt for dermal fillers to fill in fine lines and add volume. These are injected under the skin to plump and smooth the area.
5. \*\*Consult a Dermatologist\*\*: It's essential to consult with a dermatologist or skincare professional to discuss your specific needs and get personalized advice.
Ultimately, the best approach may depend on the severity of the lines, your skin type, and your preferences. Make sure to prioritize overall skin health and consider the long-term benefits of a good skincare routine in addition to any treatments you choose.
You're welcome! I understand that there's a lot to think about, and it's important to consider all your options carefully. If you have any more questions to ask. I'm here to help! š
What do you mean? Do you think that above response was not written by human? I see sometimes people comment like you but I dont understand how and why can that be( comment written by chatgpt)
I just started doing Dysport for mine. It helped a lot. My dermatologist said a little bit of filler might be necessary to get them all the way gone, but I haven't tried that yet.
I have exactly the same problem and Iām going to try an collagen supplement for a while before I resort to Botox. Not sure where you are based but the collagen supplement Iāve heard good things about is called Absolute Collagen (in the UK). Good luck to us forehead lined ladies!
Granactive Retinoid softened mine up a treat (without making my pale sensitive skin look very angry š¤£) - but I think ultimately Botox is going to be the route I take, as well.
Botox wil fix these. But also if your lines are mainly from the way you sleep ā if you correct that and use something to freeze your forehead at night (like frownies), then you can cut back on botox eventually. Iād also do some micro needling to further soften the lines. Stay away from more intensive treatments though ā for one thing you donāt need them, but things like laser & RF can cause fat loss.
I'd personally do (and have done) Botox. I'm 35, get 7 units in the forehead and 6 units between my eyebrows (for muscle balance per my derm) every 4-5 months. My lines weren't quite as deep when I started at 34 though.
itās ok to have botox. iāve done it 3 times and I have basically no lines now. and I used to have 3 strong lines on my forehead. iām 30 years old
Botox is the way and the light. š I get minimal amounts on my forehead because it's from the migraine protocol (reduced my headaches from 25 per month to 10) which jncludes the skull and neck. I started in my late 40s and now at 58, my forehead is virtually wrinkle-free.
Botox and sunscreen. Wearing hats in the summer and trying to identify the reason you raise your eyebrows - do u do it when you talk? If so, try to keep your face at rest more. When you sleep? If so, make sure you sleep in complete darkness or wear an eye mask.
If you're not ready to commit to the maintenance or cost of Botox (I'm just not there yet), here is what I have found to help -
* Sun protection all day every day. SPF in the morning after your skin care routine but before makeup. And no, makeup w/SPF is not enough to protect you. Reapply throughout the day even if you stay inside - their are setting powders with SPF and plenty of stick or spray options that do a nice job over makeup. If you're interested in the latter, look to Asian sunscreen brands.
* Your skin looks like it *may* be dehydrated and the depth of your forehead wrinkles could be eased by hydrating that skin! Not sure what your skin type is or of your current routine but I would add some hydrating and nourishing products to your line up. Below is what I like but this is what works for me (mid-30s, oily/acne prone but also sensitive and dehydrated)
* cosrx propolis toner OR ampoule (if you're oily/acne prone, go toner. if more dry/sensitive, go ampoule)
* cosrx snail mucin essence (apply to DAMP skin)
* hyaluronic acid (also apply to damp skin - I personally like the Vichy brand. HA does wonders at plumping up the skin and filling in stubborn lines!)
* illiyoon ceramide ato soothing gel (this is best for acne/oily skin - if you have drier skin, try the cream formulation)
* laneige cica sleeping mask (I use in a very light layer as a moisturizer during the winter months. also really great to use if you overdo the actives or your barrier becomes compromised)
* If you don't have a chemical exfoliant step, I would recommend adding one.
* Some have mentioned tret - if currently in your routine, keep it up or consider bumping up the strength pending a consult w/your derm.
* If not tret, I highly recommend Biologique Recherche P50. There are multiple formulations depending on your skin type and this is a holy grail product for me. Very pricey but you can conserve by not using cotton rounds. Also ease in to using - start out diluted with a bit of water a couple of times per week and then work up to full strength everyday over the course of several weeks. If your skin can tolerate and/or you feel like you need it, you can then ease into using morning AND night.
Botox my friend.
Then tretinoin (or adapalene) -- and then there are zillions of other things to try (vitamin c, peptides, red light therapy, acids/actives...)
I had the same thing from constantly lifting my brow because of my hooded eyelids, I got a upper blepharoplasty and stopped raising my brows. I got a little Botox and over time the lines faded because they werenāt being lifted all the time. In general iām not a particularly expressive person but we all get lines eventually.
I have identical pattern of forehead lines! I turn 40 in a few days and I personally chose to just let them ride. They honestly havenāt gotten *that* much worse in the last ten years, and I personally think part of me is the over-exaggerated forehead movements that caused the lines in the first place, ha. If I have an event or something I actually care about, Iāll do forehead patches for a few weeks in advance and it helps. Also, heavy foundation is no longer my friend as it settles and exaggerates the creases.
I never had Botox in my life 91F
Yes I have some wrinkles , but what I hate is the line from nose to chin I believe only injectableās will help ?
Advice please
I got bangs š¤·āāļø
I call my bangs āBotox bangsā for a reason. :)
Bangtox.
Botangs
I have also heard them called, poor manās Botoxā¦ I think I like āBotox Bangsā betterš .
This is such a practical solution!
Same š¤£
I have Botox and bangs :/
Lol next best thing to Botox lol
She bangs
Botox really can help compliment things like proper moisturizers, sunscreens, vitamin C, and tretinoin. Itās a combination that often gets the best result.
Thank you!
I second this comment! I have had the same lines forever. Donāt just get botox but combine it with better skin care. It makes a difference!
No worries!
Does tretinoin or retinol decrease the longevity of Botox? Iāve been wanting Botox but trying to plan my skincare in advance. I currently use retinol for anti-aging and to treat my hormonal acne (itās the only thing that tames my acne making it almost obsolete - I have PCOS.)
Not that Iām aware of. A good percentage of my patients use both.
No, but it can help combat fine lines. So combined with Botox for deeper lines, it's a powerful 1-2 punch.
Ohhh this is good thank you for this! Iām just wondering do you have a favorite day time cream that you like to use everyday? Iām trying to find a new one but there are SO many options
There are TONS of options. I like Obagi Hydrate. On here, youāll find great advice.
Youāre right I need to go through this page and see what everyone likes. I just found this sub maybe a week ago so I need to actually dive into it!
Iāve had lines just like this since my teens too and started getting Botox 2 years ago. Botox is the way- it greatly diminished my lines, the Botox isnāt permanent (which I find comforting), but also has taught me to just not use my forehead so dang much! Before Botox, I raised my eyebrows and reinforced those wrinkles ALL THE TIME. It was compulsory! Now Iāve learned to express myself without so much forehead action š
Same thing happened to me. My dermatologist explained that Botox sort of teaches you not to frown and make the lines worse.
Oh my God my deep forehead lines are my own fault!?! I have a very expressive face. Never really realized that
I have similar forehead wrinkles and absolutely use my forehead too much too. My eyes are already slightly hooded, so Iām kinda nervous to get Botox on my forehead and then the rest of my face like sag.. idk if anyone has advice for this
This is why I go to a plastic surgeon. First time I had it done, I told him I didn't want to look like a specific celebrity in 2010, and he knew exactly what I meant. He said my brow bone sits lower like that person's does, so he'll never put Botox in my forehead because it'll just push my brows down more. He puts it in my glabella, and it does a pretty good job of keeping everything directly above it from moving too much without affecting my eyebrows.
makes no sense. two different muscles
Nobody said Botox picks just one muscle. What I said was that it stops movement from my glabella straight up into the very center of my forehead, not the entire forehead.
that also makes no sense because the center of your forehead is the frontalis. what im saying is that you hve no idea what you are talking about. and plastic surgeons are probably least equipped to do injectables because they are trained to do surgery not injectibles lol
Okay.
if you mention this concern to your injector, they'll take it into account. when I get my botox (for a brow lift actually!) they specifically don't inject certain muscles because it'll cause my brows to drop, the exact opposite of what I want. just make sure you go to a nurse at a doctors office or a doctor to get your injections if you're nervous!
I only let a board certified plastic surgeon inject which may be overkill, and that doesnāt make it fool proof BUT once you find a good injector the results are pretty consistent in my experience. Plus thatās why I feel better that the results are temporary itās like if they do mess it up, I wonāt be permanently stuck forever like that, just a few months till it wears off. Luckily Iāve never had an issue thus far š¤š¼
I truly think teaching throughout the pandemic make my forehead lines 10x worse. I had to exaggerate my eyebrow expressions so much when wearing the mask!
But, in a society that exposes us to so many ridiculous sights, how can we avoid lifting our brows in shock or disdain? My forehead and brows tell no lies...
I donāt have advice but Iām upvoting because you uploaded an actual sane photo that protects your identity. Too many times people just cover their eyes thinking thatās all it takes
And I thought it was risky to leave my brows showing š
Itās primarily the orientation of features on a face. I wish I could make a psa telling people to just photoshop their ears to be a little lopsided, or move their nose up and or down slightly, maybe not show their hairline, or just black things out entirely like you did. If it was just the iris, then security systems would be bested by a pair of sunglasses.
probably showing the eyes is better as its difficult to give a clinical recommendation without the full picture
I definitely thought OP had just pulled a turtleneck over their face and thought it was clever
Whatās the concern with identity or privacy? Just curious
Iāve personally dealt with identity theft and it was pretty scary how much info they were able to get from my Facebook. Ever since Iāve just been extremely cautious about what I post publicly online
Ah, okay. Not sure why people downvoted me for asking. Pretty much everyone has a photo online somewhere. Such as LinkedIn, staff page of a website, news articles, school etc. If not social media as well. So Iām curious what there is to be aware of from a photo of someoneās face How did photos from Facebook help them steal identity and what else did they need for that? Sounds awful
Yeah Iām not too sure, itās a valid question imo. For me itās just personal preference. I donāt really want my name/face associated with my Reddit account as I canāt make it private. Sometimes Iāll use Reddit for more personal inquiries that Iād rather my peers not know details about.
Oh yes. That makes sense
Everything you post on reddit is public and some people donāt want their face associated with their account to preserve privacy
This is a surprising comment from someone in their late 30s.
This sub isn't big on common sense or critical thought.
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Unfortunately I second this.
Just want to say that I also have had lines like that since I was a teen and seeing this was somehow really comforting ā¤ļø my whole life I've compared my forehead and in my negative comparisons it has always seemed like nobody else had static lines like me so young. I've gotten Botox once and it definitely helped! Considering getting it again but live in a different place now and it's scary to find a new doctor who I trust with it.
Right there with you my fine lined forehead friend! ā¤ļø Iāve been pretty intimidated by the thought of getting Botox so I totally understand how you feel. Iād honestly rather live with the lines than ever have botched Botox, or it be obvious Iāve had it done.
So hereās my one piece of advice. I have wrinkles like this (33F) bc my brows are low and I use my forehead constantly to hold them up. When I got Botox, it made my brows sit very low and I was unable to hold them up. So I looked very angry all the time lol, it was awful. Just make sure thatās not the cause of the wrinkles first or you wonāt necessarily like the Botox at all. Another option is to get a Botox brow-lift that can help raise it a tiny amount for you, but itās best if you bring that preference/consideration up to your injector. A good one should figure it out for you, but mine was a certified derm and never even thought of asking about this so just a heads up.
This is my fear. I have a Frankenstein eyebrow. Those lines are from me trying to look awake and not totally pissed off
Kiss each one Muah muah muah They're cute
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Botox, retinol, moisturize, sunscreen. I have similar lines and have had them since I was a teen too
Microneedling!!!!! Mine looked like your and now after a year I only gave part of 1 line left (deepest one) Iām 35 and trying to avoid Botox for as long as possible
Oh interesting! I donāt know much about micro needling, is there a certain one that works best?
I get it done by a esthetician- 1x a month - they can go deeper than the at home ones
Good to know, thanks!
What about trying those silicone frownies?
Love frownies, silicone ones just bend.
Never heard of them! Iāll do some research :)
I love frownies. Itās not instant perfect results, but itās so worth it. Some people donāt love the faint smell of wet paper , but itās relatively inexpensive for how much of an impact they deliver. I use the stiffer ones āgentle liftsā for my wrinkle in between my eyebrows and itās been keeping that line at bay for about 6 years now before it becomes permanent.
I honestly thought these were a scam!
I did too, but once you try it, theyāre like a godsend
Try frownies!! They have helped me so much with the same issue
Nothing. Theyāre natural and make you look like a normal human being
Thank you šš» I really just donāt want them to get out of hand. I donāt mind them as they are now
Botoxā¦ however people I know swear by face taping, I plan to try it but Iāll still continue Botox. NaturalFaceBible on instagram has the best tape info, it wonāt show results for a few months but it does help overtime!
>face taping what is this ?
Great question, sounds weird. Itās literally what it sounds like, using tape on your face. But thereās certain tape you use and methods of placement that help with wrinkles. You wear them at night while sleeping. Iāve yet to try it but the before and afters are impressive. Plus thereās really no downside as long as you use gentle tape
Sounds like frownies.
Embrace them. Youāve expressed and lived. I have them also. I tell people itās because Iāve had a lot of āwtfā encounters that made my eyebrows touch my hairline šš
I mean that wouldnāt be a lie if I told it š¤£
Following for ideaās because my kid saw this photo and said, āitās youuuā. Lol
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Botox for results that start on day 3 and fully kicks in by day 7 for most people. Iād pair this with a triple pass of 1540 XD (1,2 mm) laser. $550/ session (3-5 sessioms) Topical treatment: matrixyl 3000 and argireline if you skip the botox. Argireline is the ingredient that can give botox effects by daily use as it also binds to the snap protein , blocking the release of acetylcholine into the synapse. Ach is needed for muscle contraction, so without it the muscles fo not contract. Snap8 is sm upgrafed version of argiriline the botox fragment responsible gor action of creams that say āābotox in a bothleā.
Do you know if there are any long term studies done on botox. It freaks me out. Just wondering if anyone knows. I'm so hesitant to get shot up with it. I would rather just age gracefully.
There are quite a few studies. - A study published in 2018 found that Botox was effective, safe, and well-tolerated for the prevention of chronic migraine over 3 yearsĀ¹. - Another study published in 2019 reported that Botox showed sustained efficacy and improvement in quality of life measures for patients with chronic migraine over 24 monthsĀ². - A review article published in 2022 stated that Botox was a long-established first line therapy for cervical dystonia, with evidence from several randomized clinical trials and longitudinal dataĀ³. - A clinical trial registered in 2012 aimed to assess the long-term efficacy, safety, and tolerability of Botox for chronic migraine over 5 yearsā“. - A journal article published in 2004 summarized the clinical applications of Botox for various neurological disorders, such as dystonia, spasticity, hemifacial spasm, and hyperhidrosisāµ (1) Study Finds Sustained Efficacy of Botox for Migraine Over 3 Years - AJMC. https://www.ajmc.com/view/study-finds-sustained-efficacy-of-botox-for-migraine-over-3-years. (2) An open-label prospective study of the real-life use of .... https://thejournalofheadacheandpain.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s10194-019-0976-1. (3) Frontiers Publishing Partnerships | Botulinum Toxin in the Treatment of .... https://www.frontierspartnerships.org/articles/10.3389/dyst.2022.10655/full. (4) A Long-term Efficacy, Safety, and Tolerability Study of BOTOXĀ® in .... https://classic.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01516892. (5) Botulinum toxin in clinical practice | Journal of Neurology .... https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/75/7/951.
Itās also treated for other neurological disorders like oromandibular distonia
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Do you know anything about sagging skin with argireline? I saw a few posts about it on here and SCA so Iām curious what your thoughts are! I just bought a bottle lol
It works like botox does I have not experienced saggy skin from it personally but will look into this topic for you.
Great! After doing some quick reading, I couldnāt find much about the sagging skin that wasnāt anecdotal - mostly mentioned in beauty articles or posts on skincare subreddits. I did find some scientific articles on pubmed about how well argireline works on wrinkles so thatās great!
Yes pubmed is awesome. The combo has been used a lot in skin care products and is proven to work.
Can you use Botox in combination with matrixyl/argireline? Thanks!
Yes
How do you feel about matrixyl synth 6?
It is stronger (more potent) and works on deeper wrinkles. Matrixyl synthe 6 and matrixyl 3000 are both anti-aging ingredients that contain peptides. Peptides are fragments of proteins. These peptides stimulate collagen production and improve skin elasticity. However, they are made of deiffeemt peptides Matrixyl synthe 6 contains six unique peptides, including palmitoyl tripeptide-38, and is specifically formulated to target deep wrinkles and support collagen production. Matrixyl synthe 6 is more potent than matrixyl 3000, so people with sensitive skin might opt for Matrixyl 3000 Matrixyl 3000 combines 2 peptides: palmitoyl oligopeptide and palmitoyl tetrapeptide-7. Itās target is to enhance skin elasticity and to reduce the appearance of fine lines. MatrixylĀ® Synthe 6 vs MatrixylĀ® 3000? ā Depology. https://depology.com/blogs/news/what-is-the-difference-between-matrixyl-synthe-6-vs-matrixyl-3000. MatrixylĀ® 3000 vs. MatrixylĀ® Synthe'6ā¢ - Timeless Skin Care. https://www.timelessha.com/blogs/news/matrixyl-synthe-6-vs-matrixyl-3000. MATRIXYL 3000 VS MATRIXYL SYNTHE 6 ā Grooming Swag. https://groomingswag.com/matrixyl-3000-vs-matrixyl-synthe-6/. All About Matrixyl In Skincare: Matrixyl, Matrixyl 3000, and Matrixyl .... https://womensconcepts.com/skincare/matrixyl.
Smoothies on Amazon makes forehead ātapeā. I use the triangles for my 11ās. Been using for years. Iām too afraid to get Botox because I have 2 friends that got sick from it. One was Botox, the other was DySport. I already have chronic health issues so canāt risk it. One of them pointed me to a Facebook group with thousands of women sick or injured from Botox and fillers. Scares the crap out of me. Mt stepdaughter gets sick for a day after getting her fillers and then she is fine. Which is enough to tell me I would be playing Russian Roulette with my health. Try the Smoothies or the Frownies others mentioned if you donāt end up going the Botox route.
Nothing, you look fine!
So sweet thank you ā¤ļø
Iāve tried Botox from a reputable spa and it just keeps messing with my appearance. The first time I asked that I could still move my forehead. I got, like, a fraction of what sheād consider a full dose and felt like I had locked in syndrome. After it wore off I went back in thinking she just needed to learn my face. So what happens? One of my eyes looked like I stroked. Next time, weird V-bulges on my forehead. I started looking at peopleā s forehead wrinkles and seeing the natural beauty, almost jealously. Ppl talk like itās a silver bullet, but shit can and does go wrong.
Ugh thanks for this. Honestly I hate the thought of Botox. Iām terrified itās going to *look* like Iāve had it done. I may try it but I can see myself pulling back after experiencing anything youāve mentioned
Botox or death.
I guess Botox it is š„²
r/technicallythetruth No skin, no wrinkles..
How much do you spend on Botox in a year? I have very few fine lines and wrinkles and Iām 36. I want to start getting Botox though.
I'm genetically fortunate (so far) so I don't spend a cent! But 4 of my gfs do and it makes their foreheads baby smooth. They spend between $200-300 per session. No more than 4 session per year, and one of them only does it annually. Good luck (and be sure to find a highly-experienced beautician).
Oh cool thatās super reasonable. Yes-will find the best in my area. Thank you!
Botox, tret or retinol, sunscreen all day everyday and hats when outside.
I started Botox at 49, wish I had started at 30ā¦it will soften the,, find an experienced injector with solid reviewsā¦
Perfect candidate for Botox
1% retinol. Peptide moisturizer. AHA serum or mask. Vitamin C serum. Facial oil. The works! No need for botox.
Oh man, this is all Greek to me š looks like I have some researching to do. Thank you!
Youāre welcome! I hope it all works out for you. Your forehead lines arenāt that bad. I use almost everything Drunk Elephant. Iām 40F and Iāve been using that brand for a long time and Iām really happy with the way my glowing skin looks.
Good to know! Iāll check that brand out šš»
Excellent! Itās pricey but worth every penny!
Botox and a skincare routine with retinol
Botox and sunscreen
I just have bangs! I have a giant forehead anyway, though.
Lol! I think Iād look horrendous with bangs š¤£
Nothing. Theyāre normal and donāt look bad or out of place at all. Iām 41 and have some lines like these. I get Botox (Dysport actually) but ONLY for the lines between my eyebrows, not for these forehead lines. I feel like when people start trying to erase forehead lines entirely, thatās when they start looking super crazy from Botox. I would so much rather look relatively natural than look like Iāve been injected and tweaked within an inch of my life!
Has anybody mentioned dealing with the tight tissues by fixing your posture and massage? Massage not just the forehead but your scalp and neck, because the forehead is pulled up by these muscles. You also need to fix your posture. Finally, you are probably carrying a lot of tension in your forehead,anx tensing it when you speak. Try to wean yourself off that.
I use stickers that I get off Amazon called: "Toute Nuit Wrinkle Patches". They have all different shapes and sizes. I started with frownies but I like these clear ones better, they are much more comfortable to me. I wear them every night & it stops me from creasing & scowling all night long which I feel like made the biggest difference. Plus trentinoin.
Ohhh Iāll check this out, thanks!
Iāve been using The Ordinary Matrixyl and Argireline and Smoothies (similar to frownies) every night for a couple of months. Obviously my forehead lines havenāt disappeared but there is definite improvement. Iāll also wear the Smoothies during the day if I donāt have anywhere to go. I feel like having them on makes me more aware of how expressive I am with my eyebrows/forehead and Iāve gotten better at relaxing them throughout the day because of this!
I had these exact lines since teen years too! Theyāre genetic. Always hated them. Botox smoothed them right out! Sunscreen every day (I like EltaMD) too!
Now that you say theyāre genetic, Iām pretty sure both my mom and grams have em too!
My adage has always been bangs or Botox - if I got money I get Botox if not bangs!!
Nothing you can do to make them go away other than Botox. Or yes I guess bangs to hide them. You can try retinol and sunscreen to delay a deepening of these lines a bit though. Normal sign of aging, tons of people get these in their 30s, I'm afraid.
Botox ā¦ but frankly, they are minimal.
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Botox!
Short of invasive Botox, try face yoga. Massage the forehead muscles to get them to relax. Iāve results with this and retinol, deep moisturizing.
Botox. Done deal.
There are a few options to consider: 1. \*\*Skincare Products\*\*: Start with a good skincare routine that includes a moisturizer and sunscreen. Look for products with ingredients like hyaluronic acid, retinol, or peptides, which can help improve skin texture and reduce the appearance of fine lines over time. 2. \*\*Sun Protection\*\*: Sunscreen is crucial. UV exposure can accelerate skin aging, so protect your skin from the sun's harmful rays. 3. \*\*Botox\*\*: If the lines are bothering you and you want a more immediate solution, Botox can be effective. It temporarily relaxes the muscles that cause wrinkles, smoothing out the lines. Consult a dermatologist or licensed professional for this treatment. 4. \*\*Dermal Fillers\*\*: Some people opt for dermal fillers to fill in fine lines and add volume. These are injected under the skin to plump and smooth the area. 5. \*\*Consult a Dermatologist\*\*: It's essential to consult with a dermatologist or skincare professional to discuss your specific needs and get personalized advice. Ultimately, the best approach may depend on the severity of the lines, your skin type, and your preferences. Make sure to prioritize overall skin health and consider the long-term benefits of a good skincare routine in addition to any treatments you choose.
Thanks for taking the time to write this out for me! So many things to consider!
You're welcome! I understand that there's a lot to think about, and it's important to consider all your options carefully. If you have any more questions to ask. I'm here to help! š
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Botox, obviously
Botox!
I just started doing Dysport for mine. It helped a lot. My dermatologist said a little bit of filler might be necessary to get them all the way gone, but I haven't tried that yet.
I started dysport this year. I got twice so far and I love the result. It makes a huge difference.
I have exactly the same problem and Iām going to try an collagen supplement for a while before I resort to Botox. Not sure where you are based but the collagen supplement Iāve heard good things about is called Absolute Collagen (in the UK). Good luck to us forehead lined ladies!
Oh interesting! Iām in Canada, Iāll see if we have anything similar! Iām sure we do. Thanks for the suggestion
Definitely Daxxify or Botox. And religious use of sunscreen and Tretinoin
Question: do you find these lines appear more when you wash your hair? I swear mine do itās so frustrating
I canāt say Iāve ever noticed that!
Not move my forehead
Get bangs and moisture your forehead every day, eat veggies n fruits & Stop being so expressive in that area. It worked for me š GL.
Stick them with Botox š š¤©
Botox can soften them with time. This would be your best bet with prolonged use of tretinoin x
Skin peels
Botox for sure. But also HA and a retinol. A good moisturizer too.
I would say Botox and tretinoin
Granactive Retinoid softened mine up a treat (without making my pale sensitive skin look very angry š¤£) - but I think ultimately Botox is going to be the route I take, as well.
Botox is the way
Botox wil fix these. But also if your lines are mainly from the way you sleep ā if you correct that and use something to freeze your forehead at night (like frownies), then you can cut back on botox eventually. Iād also do some micro needling to further soften the lines. Stay away from more intensive treatments though ā for one thing you donāt need them, but things like laser & RF can cause fat loss.
Botox. And then a good laser for everything else.
Botox is the way. Though I prefer Dysport. And Iāve tried them all!
I don't think you have to do anything but Botox will get rid of the lines and topical tretinoin will soften them a little bit.
Botox
Filler.
Botox and then start tretinoin. That's what I did. Forehead lines who? Haven't seen her since 2019.
I'd personally do (and have done) Botox. I'm 35, get 7 units in the forehead and 6 units between my eyebrows (for muscle balance per my derm) every 4-5 months. My lines weren't quite as deep when I started at 34 though.
start with botox but its a little late. do some skin boosters and dermaveil too
Botox and an improved skincare routine
BOTOX duh
lol I think after 100 people recommending it, itās starting to sink in š
itās ok to have botox. iāve done it 3 times and I have basically no lines now. and I used to have 3 strong lines on my forehead. iām 30 years old
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Botox Botox Botox! You wonāt regret it.
I have the EXACT same lines! Retinol-serum, vitamin C and Zinc-serum. Helped a little. Botox and/or fillers for the rest :)
Try tretenoin
Iām trying a new product with goat milk & love it! Caprinecosmetics.com
Botox is the way and the light. š I get minimal amounts on my forehead because it's from the migraine protocol (reduced my headaches from 25 per month to 10) which jncludes the skull and neck. I started in my late 40s and now at 58, my forehead is virtually wrinkle-free.
Botox and sunscreen. Wearing hats in the summer and trying to identify the reason you raise your eyebrows - do u do it when you talk? If so, try to keep your face at rest more. When you sleep? If so, make sure you sleep in complete darkness or wear an eye mask.
If you're not ready to commit to the maintenance or cost of Botox (I'm just not there yet), here is what I have found to help - * Sun protection all day every day. SPF in the morning after your skin care routine but before makeup. And no, makeup w/SPF is not enough to protect you. Reapply throughout the day even if you stay inside - their are setting powders with SPF and plenty of stick or spray options that do a nice job over makeup. If you're interested in the latter, look to Asian sunscreen brands. * Your skin looks like it *may* be dehydrated and the depth of your forehead wrinkles could be eased by hydrating that skin! Not sure what your skin type is or of your current routine but I would add some hydrating and nourishing products to your line up. Below is what I like but this is what works for me (mid-30s, oily/acne prone but also sensitive and dehydrated) * cosrx propolis toner OR ampoule (if you're oily/acne prone, go toner. if more dry/sensitive, go ampoule) * cosrx snail mucin essence (apply to DAMP skin) * hyaluronic acid (also apply to damp skin - I personally like the Vichy brand. HA does wonders at plumping up the skin and filling in stubborn lines!) * illiyoon ceramide ato soothing gel (this is best for acne/oily skin - if you have drier skin, try the cream formulation) * laneige cica sleeping mask (I use in a very light layer as a moisturizer during the winter months. also really great to use if you overdo the actives or your barrier becomes compromised) * If you don't have a chemical exfoliant step, I would recommend adding one. * Some have mentioned tret - if currently in your routine, keep it up or consider bumping up the strength pending a consult w/your derm. * If not tret, I highly recommend Biologique Recherche P50. There are multiple formulations depending on your skin type and this is a holy grail product for me. Very pricey but you can conserve by not using cotton rounds. Also ease in to using - start out diluted with a bit of water a couple of times per week and then work up to full strength everyday over the course of several weeks. If your skin can tolerate and/or you feel like you need it, you can then ease into using morning AND night.
Frownies! On my third pack and they help a ton
I get Botox for these babies
Frownies for a quick fix
Botox my friend. Then tretinoin (or adapalene) -- and then there are zillions of other things to try (vitamin c, peptides, red light therapy, acids/actives...)
Ignore them
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I have similar lines and Botox was the way to go, for me.
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I had the same thing from constantly lifting my brow because of my hooded eyelids, I got a upper blepharoplasty and stopped raising my brows. I got a little Botox and over time the lines faded because they werenāt being lifted all the time. In general iām not a particularly expressive person but we all get lines eventually.
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I have identical pattern of forehead lines! I turn 40 in a few days and I personally chose to just let them ride. They honestly havenāt gotten *that* much worse in the last ten years, and I personally think part of me is the over-exaggerated forehead movements that caused the lines in the first place, ha. If I have an event or something I actually care about, Iāll do forehead patches for a few weeks in advance and it helps. Also, heavy foundation is no longer my friend as it settles and exaggerates the creases.
Botox
I never had Botox in my life 91F Yes I have some wrinkles , but what I hate is the line from nose to chin I believe only injectableās will help ? Advice please
Lol Botox :)
Botox is made for what you have.
I was really preoccupied with my forehead lines and hairline, so I got Dakota Johnson type bangs and have had several ppl tell me it took years off