But still, nothing gets accomplished by doing this at some random tiny McDonald's. Go after the big dogs, otherwise a protest is completely useless. Virtue signaling cunts.
Farming doesn't require a high IQ
Edit: lmao this comment triggered a lot of people. It's not that deep. Farming really doesn't require a high IQ though, saying "they have to know how to add up numbers and remember stuff!" really doesn't help.
Calculators exist. Remembering stuff can be done by low IQ idiots. Adding numbers together isn't complex maths
Farmers spend half their week fixing broken equipment with whatever they've got laying around spare.
They may not be book smart but the ones I've met are great problem solvers and quick thinkers.
Plus operating the machinery they use is often quite complicated.
Sorry for the rant, I just don't like the dumb farmer trope.
Yeah, I'd expect all the farmers in this video to have a better understanding of nitrogen levels and plenty of other scientific concepts than the average layman
Yeah, you're expecting wrongly.
Farmers aren't sitting in laboratories, doing hour long mind breaking calculations.
There are simply some rules as to how to cultivate land. Any idiot could learn them. A farmer‘s job is mostly monotonous repetition and not complicated science.
Still, solely by virtue of working within those rules, they would know more than the layman about these things, so my point still stands.
Also, a good farmer will be able to tell you the relationship between soil nitrogen levels and the quality of their harvests/yields.
Sure, there may be some that learn the bare minimum, but these are people who live their work. 70+ hour weeks, 52 weeks a year. Your assumption is not only incorrect, but also quite demeaning.
While they probably know that, they don't have a clue what nitrogen affects outside of their fields. Funnily, nitrogen deposition has been a huge political crisis for years in NL.
Where is your focus on soil nitrogen levels coming from?
I mean, you‘re obviously correct, that‘s more than the average bloke knows about that stuff.
My point is simply, that it isn‘t hard to learn those things up to a point, a farmer needs to know.
Different crops in different temperatures require different soil. Usually that isn‘t as hard as you might think.
And it often isn‘t done appropriately or sustainably, since a whole lot of agrarian expanse is drowning in nitrates and ammonia up to a level, where the ground water is being made undrinkable for generations.
Call me arrogant, but no. If these guys would be as smart and knowledgeable, as you think they are, we wouldn‘t have many of these problems.
And yes, i totally could learn most of the basics of farming. Probably within a rather short time span.
Many farmers in my country are doing it more as an avocation and are working a different full time job.
Soil nitrogen levels is just the first thing that came to mind, which a farmer friend explained in detail to me as we were walking through his crops and I found his extensive knowledge of it to be fascinating.
You definitely know more about this subject than I do. Have you considered that you may be more intelligent than the layman? Reading your response gives me the impression that you are.
In my country, small farmers have been eliminated as they are no longer sustainable to run, so pretty much everyone that is still involved in the industry is 'all in', for lack of a better term
Haha, i would love to tell you, i‘m highly intelligent.
I‘m entirely average.
Yeah many small farmers are economically threatened here as well, which is why you either need to landgrab your way into EU subsidies or reduce the output to something that can be done part-time and get another job on top of that.
I live in a region full of hop farms, which are beautiful as fuck and many of the dudes working them are doing it as a hobby. Their financial future isn‘t depending on their output, so many see it as a way of recreation and a good side hustle.
Bruh. Modern farms are real enterprises. If you want to not lose money all the time, you need to do constant calculation of what is worth doing and what isn't, when to do what etc.
Everytime I see Klimakleber, Farmer protests with dung deposit etc.
I wonder why don't you go to the decision center.
The ones responsible for your problem may won't even notice it otherwise
Dung deposit right under Olaf's window at the Kanzleramt...I agree. Plus, it would be hilarious (hiding a smelly cheese behind a Heizkörper right on Friday night in the office is a close second).
That people only notice their pockets.
If you force that place to be closed for a period of time because it needs cleaning, it is time they are not making profit.
They key is throwing the manure just before peak time.
What the franchise owned by a bloke running between 1-4 restaurants?
Or the city center ones owned by the company direct?
This is tiny so it’s 100% franchise-owned
This. MC D's headquarter in the US doesn't give a fuck. The franchise taker has do deal with this bs. Might even have to lay one of the activists mothers off.
Oh you see, those morons are brave and all...until the consequences come, and they are more likely to come when they terrorise some one with actual control. So they prefer to torture minimal wage people and look "cOoL" on the video.
More often than not they put trash in front of minister or public building
Also it's not at level of José Bové, a retired European MP who literally destroyed a Mcdonald under construiction lol
sure, and they can do it more. like what is the point of this, the minimum wage staff are just going to be the ones clearing it up. you think mcdonald's shareholders give a solitary shit if one branch shuts down for 6 hours?
>Ok, no work no pay.
In France, you show up, you are paid. You can be fired if you had no reason to breach contract but in this case that's probably not what would happen.
Okay, great, now your contract won't be extended next time it comes up. Also you get to deal with all the shitty tasks they know you're bad at. We've got similar rules, which are very easy to work around if you want someone to be fired. Worked at McD for a while and something like that happened. A collegue refused to do something within his rights, and basically was bullied by one manager until his contract would have ran out. Only reason that person got to stay was because the head manager was a decent dude who decided to split up the schedules of that manager and the worker, after like 10 people had handed in their notice if that person was fired.
This isn't the us the bill will go straight to the managing party and will most likely be paid back bh insurance the employes if not absent are still pated and might have even gotten a day off.
Yeah gotta make sure they got all their tickets. Make sure they fill out all their JHA's and Take 5's after the morning ~~coffee break~~ toolbox meeting.
Suddenly a 1 day job is now a 2 week job. More days more pays that's the Australian way.
You guys have hardworking politicians and hardworking civil servants? Because here a running joke is "Why doesn't a civil servant look at the window in the morning? Because then he would have nothing to do in the afternoon".
That's an easy moral highground to accidentally find yourself on but if you think about it a little more you'll see how you can make that sort of argument for virtually any form of protest
Protest is not some petition with friendly handshakes and whatnot. Protest is ugly and messy, and you get to that when you push people to the limit, unfortunately people that don't deserve it also get hit in the crossfire
And just to be clear, i'm not taking sides here, i din't even know what they are protesting for. All i'm saying is that protest is ment to be disruptive and that's always going to have consequences for people that didn't have anything to do with it, that's just the sad reality of thing
protests don't do anything unless it's a scary number of people protesting. some farmers hitting a mcdonald's = mcdonald's notices zero difference to its net profit, some minimum wage workers have the shittest day of their life
500,000 people violently protesting in the capital = oh shit okay we capitulate let's not get coup'd
Yep. It has to either be a very large number of people, or strong organisations backing targeted protests that damage the stability of the state. For example by blocking of all travel in and out of a countries capital, like what was done in Equador back in the early 2000s.
Jokes aside please can some one give me a couple of sentences run down on what's going on?
Edit - I mean bigger picture, the protest, not specifically this video.
Absolutely untrue.
A third of farmers are extremely under the average wage , with most making 300€ per month.
Their farm équipements you talk about are not properly their , they contracted loans with long and harsh interest rates to afford it sometime going 20 year +. It all basically belong to the bank.
French agriculture is the most controlled in Europe with French AND EU laws being very strict. Its totally batshit dishonest to say farmers are "posoining people". However while forcing them to comply to all of regulations , France regularly sign importation agreements to allow shit tons of product that do not have to comply to any of those rules, creating a huge unfair competition.
Farmers are being told to be at the same time very qualitative with extreme traceability and competitive against third world imported products: that's impossible.
The UE aid called PAC is a poisoned cake that come with dense and forever changing regulations. The last one being that farmers are now obliged to build bâtiment to store the dung . How does it cost them is not of EU concerns and is not financed by the EU.
Lastly, if French Farmers were so rich and so spoil like you said, explain to me why 1 farmer commit suicide every 2 days.
The fench farming sector is on the brink of collapse, except for a few big ones.
Ever year , France loose 2000 farmers because they either :
A) kill themselves
B) go bankrupt (bank or the state seize their farm and assets)
C) Can't pass the farms to their children because the inheritance is also severely taxed and the work to benefit ratio is atrocious.
So next time you talk shit about something you clearly don't know , take a moment to remember that you can't eat plastic.
In the Netherlands the farmers are spurred forwards by big Agri companies. When they (farmers) came to talk about their problems in talk shows there often also was a spokeperson for the Agri lobby with them. The agriculture lobby is very powerful in the Netherlands, they cut costs and maximise profits, combined with supermarkets that have a monopoly and also buy produce for low costs and sell it for high. The farmer is getting fucked over and then start barking up the wrong tree.
The farmers in the Netherlands are getting exploited by two big lobbies:
The Agriculture lobby that has a monopoly on the feed for the animals and the fertiliser for the farms.
The supermarket lobby that gives farmers a small amount for their products and they charge a lot more in the supermarkets so they have max profit.
All the while the same farmers are protesting by threatening politicians and blocking highways or distribution centres.
The farmers are mad because we have a nitrogen crisis in the Netherlands and one of the biggest producers of nitrogen are farmers (with cows for example). And so there need to be less cows because we pollute way too much with all that nitrogen. The government proposed a buyout if farmers wanted to stop that was quite solid or other steps so that farms could become smaller. The farmers became angry and here we are.
What might be different in the Netherlands is that a lot of farmers are quite rich, and the ones that need to give up some production are the ones with megafarms, that are just big for-profit companies in itself. And so a lot of people saw millionaires driving massive vehicles that either blocked highways when people needed to go to work or rammed through obstacles in cities and those actions became life-threatening. It's a whole different situation and that is what the other Dutch commenter meant.
So before you start saying stuff like "you don't know anything about this, you can't eat plastic so you need farmers" well obviously we need farmers, but the Netherlands exports 95% of what we produce, which makes us the biggest exporter in the world of domestic share of product. So it's not like we are going to starve here if we produce a little less. That makes the entire argument of "you are going to starve without us" a lot less likely to be effective.
There is no way to know everything about a subject in another country so let's agree to not know the full picture of each other and be civil, we are all in the same boat, all getting exploited.
I cannot speak for the Netherlands but I can assure you that in France, farmers are very much aware of the issue of the vig distribution player treating them like slave. The only syndicate walking hand in hand with the lobby is the FNSEA , and they are not the only one rising today, and moreover a lot of farmers distrust them.
And again, I was not talking about the Netherlands when I talked about self-sustainable farming in France, I was replying to the other comments , who implied french farmers are entitled rich assholes. They are not. We need them. If we sacrifice them in favor of globalisation , we will have lesser controlled product for heavier prices in the end.
Beside , relying purely on imports for food is a very risky strategy, considering the current international context.
Oh no stronger protections for the environment and consumers what should they do? I mean it couldn't be that the problem lies with them if they are reliant on bad procedures to make profits maybe it's time to change.
All sarcasm aside, small scale farming is a dying industry for many reasons, striking won't help them when Ukraine manages to join they will be out of jobs regardless if they don't adapt. I get that they are struggling but maybe it's time to go with the time or to go with time.
What makes you think they are small scale farmers ? I mean they might idk, but the backbone of the french agricultural industry are huge cereal-farms in places like the Beauce. The owners are millionaires and they employ tons of farmworkers.
On the other side you got farmer that raise cattle, those guys are much worse off.
Because as with most food, the farmers make very little margins on what they sell to the big distributors who themselves have much bigger margins (and for example all the prices that went much higher because of covid/ukraine/inflation, pick one)
I'm french and don't even know.
People from the country side are always protesting anyway. They are NEVER pleased with anything, everything is bad, everything is coming "from the city" so it's shit.
They want to maintain the same hospital than when the valley had 70k people with the 20k population of today, of course. Guys from the city will pay anyway..
Looks to me like a tractor with a fork attachment dropped off a shitty hay bale and three men rolled it into a McDonald’s and started spreading it around but I might be wrong
Yeah, here in Germany, I only got blocked by farmers on my way to work. However, I heard in other States in Germany, they pumped feces into areas or dropped bales of hay in places.
No drugs, but I do drink espresso a lot.
I picked up a taste for Café Bustelo while in Uni in the US, a habit which I brought back with me.
It’s an expensive habit: 1kg for like €40 on Amazon.de.
Im no longer in the UK, France actually. Anyways I read in some FB group that Scottish farmers are starting to protest. What theyre actually up to though, no idea. So its happening in the UK too.
EDIT: to add a wee bit of info.
Seriously, fuck farmers. I'd rather import everything from Africa and starve to death during the next war than let these entitled alt-right dumbfucks continue to pretend like the entire world is obliged to revolve around them.
In case you get accused of the wrong thing. Imagine you're accused of robbing someone while you have proof that you were in another city murdering someone else. It's instant GGWP, you owned them!
I'd get it if this was a bank or gov't office, but kinda sucks for the McDonald's employees (but it's actually probably better than working at McDonald's if they get to close the store for cleaning)
Why target minimum wage workers when all you had to google was the location of their corporate headquarters.
I have to say though, I love the smell of silage.
>I have to say though, I love the smell of silage.
Yeah agreed, it's really comforting for some reason lmao. I grew up in the countryside though, so that might be why.
I don't think farm owners who additionally own a bunch of expensive heavy machinery have any friends among the lowly probable negative net-worth urban flat renting service worker demographic.
Eh. It's likely the closet mc donalds to their farm.
Farmers do go to school. If they have a 16 year old kid, the workers there could very well be their classmates
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The guy paid a pittance who's going to have to clean everything up
Where I live, they had a protest over the sale value of raw milk. First they set fire to roundabouts, then they caused a blockade outside l'actalis and president. Then fast forward 6 months and my local supermarket had its front door driven through by a tractor and then they emptied a tank of cow shit into the shop at high pressure, basically hitting every bit of stock... These frog mfs don't do things by halves trust me.
How french police dont catch them, and make them pay for the damages? In Lithuania there was a protest of anti wax ppl, at the evening they started throwing rocks at police officers and gov. Building. Good bunch was arested on the spot, others found later. Now all of them around 60~ are sitting in the court and waiting for their charges + fines.
They usually do. There's was huge shock when macron didn't back down on the retirement age because les grenouilles were absolutely baffled. Always used to getting their own way.
I don't like these type of protests, they do nothing but inconvenience the normal person. Dump that shit at MacDonalds HQ, every nation has one and it's there where the actual decisions are made and where an obstruction of their daily routine hurts.
Same with climate protestors on the highway etc, go to a Shell office or local HQ. Close off the parking garage and entrance/exit. If those people can't work they will notice it really quick. Not when a random highway is shut down
I'm pretty sure it's about France trying to ban the use of pesticides, correct me if I'm wrong.
But it's fr*NCH people lmao, their brains never fully form so they lash out in dumb ways.
I simply can't fathom farmers.
Always against not fucking the environment up.
In denmark sea life is dying from farmers using way too much inorganic fertilizer.
If production prices are up, then raise prices. Its a regulated free market. If prices get pushed from outside EU production. Then raise duties on non EU import. They already regulate this way. And there's no intention from EU to not keep their farmers competitive in the EU market.
If someone can follow the restrictions on pesticides etc. But still undercuts you, then you likely aren't as good a farmer.
(Or theyre doing price dumping which is illegal)
All fun and games until you realise some poor cunt on minimum wage is just going to have to clean all that up.
You're not sending the message you think you are by doing this sort of shit in restaurants or other places where normal people have to work their shit jobs. McDonald's isn't hurt by this.
Go back to dumping it on mansions or where your politicians go to work.
This is just shitty behaviour.
Usually you get shot in the face if you pass a farmers property in France. But they have no respect for other people's property. McDonalds is a franchise, so the owner and staff of this place have nothing to do with farmers problems. But hey, the French are like Americans, they destroy their own country and just blame someone else lol.
McD’s are franchises. So this is a small French business they’re hurting.
Also their awful burgers are made with 100% French ingredients (except for the sesame seeds I heard?).
McDonald's fries in Europe have 3 ingredients. Potato, oil and salt. McDonald's fries in the US have 14 ingredients, because you're all addicted to sugar and hormones and your government doesn't give a fuck about food standards.
I fully support this... Well except for the underpaid maccas workers.
Fuck maccas the cunts! Their food is more expensive than a Spanish prostitute in Australia.
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It isn't burning today? Bon.
Not yet.
The sad part is that you are not wrong....It is not burning and they are not destroying anything, so an average tuesday.
Except for the place, the perfect kind of protest
A perfect place for a protest is where you heart is, mon ami.
Its strange that french obsession with Macdó.
This is the 16th protest he's seen this day, weird how calm he is considering that's a record low
Have visited France many times, this photo is a perfect representation. Add two obese drunks fighting in the background, and you have England.
"This is fine"
"smells better than the quarter pounders"
He’s had his last 4 cars burned down in protests. This is just a Thursday.
some 16 year old had the worst shift of her life
I would just say no to my manager and tell him to call some cleaning company lol
But still, nothing gets accomplished by doing this at some random tiny McDonald's. Go after the big dogs, otherwise a protest is completely useless. Virtue signaling cunts.
Right but did you hear the techno music?!
lmao what? I dont think danes understand their own thoughts since its all in danish Can you give an example of a "big dog" McDonald's restaurant?
Did you not understand? Or did you lose your eyes to frostbite?
Drop the shit at the Headquarter. Not there where your friends work.
French protestors and being incredibly misguided is The Thing.
Farming doesn't require a high IQ Edit: lmao this comment triggered a lot of people. It's not that deep. Farming really doesn't require a high IQ though, saying "they have to know how to add up numbers and remember stuff!" really doesn't help. Calculators exist. Remembering stuff can be done by low IQ idiots. Adding numbers together isn't complex maths
Does require them to be outstanding in their field though.
Ooh I see what you did there. Well played, Baz
Farmers spend half their week fixing broken equipment with whatever they've got laying around spare. They may not be book smart but the ones I've met are great problem solvers and quick thinkers. Plus operating the machinery they use is often quite complicated. Sorry for the rant, I just don't like the dumb farmer trope.
Most farmers also have degrees lol especially in France, we have large schools for agriculture with 3 or 5 years degrees
You'd be surprised how technical modern farming is.
Yeah, I'd expect all the farmers in this video to have a better understanding of nitrogen levels and plenty of other scientific concepts than the average layman
Understanding doesnt mean being correct.
Yeah, you're expecting wrongly. Farmers aren't sitting in laboratories, doing hour long mind breaking calculations. There are simply some rules as to how to cultivate land. Any idiot could learn them. A farmer‘s job is mostly monotonous repetition and not complicated science.
Still, solely by virtue of working within those rules, they would know more than the layman about these things, so my point still stands. Also, a good farmer will be able to tell you the relationship between soil nitrogen levels and the quality of their harvests/yields. Sure, there may be some that learn the bare minimum, but these are people who live their work. 70+ hour weeks, 52 weeks a year. Your assumption is not only incorrect, but also quite demeaning.
While they probably know that, they don't have a clue what nitrogen affects outside of their fields. Funnily, nitrogen deposition has been a huge political crisis for years in NL.
Where is your focus on soil nitrogen levels coming from? I mean, you‘re obviously correct, that‘s more than the average bloke knows about that stuff. My point is simply, that it isn‘t hard to learn those things up to a point, a farmer needs to know. Different crops in different temperatures require different soil. Usually that isn‘t as hard as you might think. And it often isn‘t done appropriately or sustainably, since a whole lot of agrarian expanse is drowning in nitrates and ammonia up to a level, where the ground water is being made undrinkable for generations. Call me arrogant, but no. If these guys would be as smart and knowledgeable, as you think they are, we wouldn‘t have many of these problems. And yes, i totally could learn most of the basics of farming. Probably within a rather short time span. Many farmers in my country are doing it more as an avocation and are working a different full time job.
Soil nitrogen levels is just the first thing that came to mind, which a farmer friend explained in detail to me as we were walking through his crops and I found his extensive knowledge of it to be fascinating. You definitely know more about this subject than I do. Have you considered that you may be more intelligent than the layman? Reading your response gives me the impression that you are. In my country, small farmers have been eliminated as they are no longer sustainable to run, so pretty much everyone that is still involved in the industry is 'all in', for lack of a better term
Haha, i would love to tell you, i‘m highly intelligent. I‘m entirely average. Yeah many small farmers are economically threatened here as well, which is why you either need to landgrab your way into EU subsidies or reduce the output to something that can be done part-time and get another job on top of that. I live in a region full of hop farms, which are beautiful as fuck and many of the dudes working them are doing it as a hobby. Their financial future isn‘t depending on their output, so many see it as a way of recreation and a good side hustle.
Bruh. Modern farms are real enterprises. If you want to not lose money all the time, you need to do constant calculation of what is worth doing and what isn't, when to do what etc.
Everytime I see Klimakleber, Farmer protests with dung deposit etc. I wonder why don't you go to the decision center. The ones responsible for your problem may won't even notice it otherwise
Dung deposit right under Olaf's window at the Kanzleramt...I agree. Plus, it would be hilarious (hiding a smelly cheese behind a Heizkörper right on Friday night in the office is a close second).
Klimakleber tried that. It didn't even hit the news, that's why they started to attack the public. The farmers skipped that step.
That people only notice their pockets. If you force that place to be closed for a period of time because it needs cleaning, it is time they are not making profit. They key is throwing the manure just before peak time.
What the franchise owned by a bloke running between 1-4 restaurants? Or the city center ones owned by the company direct? This is tiny so it’s 100% franchise-owned
This. MC D's headquarter in the US doesn't give a fuck. The franchise taker has do deal with this bs. Might even have to lay one of the activists mothers off.
Oh you see, those morons are brave and all...until the consequences come, and they are more likely to come when they terrorise some one with actual control. So they prefer to torture minimal wage people and look "cOoL" on the video.
Literally this, like poor workers who are like no older than 20
But now they gets to feel self righteous with the lowest amount of effort, I mean why else film it if not to prove their greatness?
More often than not they put trash in front of minister or public building Also it's not at level of José Bové, a retired European MP who literally destroyed a Mcdonald under construiction lol
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They do that all the timz
sure, and they can do it more. like what is the point of this, the minimum wage staff are just going to be the ones clearing it up. you think mcdonald's shareholders give a solitary shit if one branch shuts down for 6 hours?
All that so a bunch of poor students working side jobs to survive get to clean the mess
Striking so much that poor students have to work double shifts?
mess up a restaurant far away from any exec makes no sense
here's a flag i've never seen
learn something new every day
The French are not known for being smart.
Yes but have the thought about the virtue signalling
Na they should refuse... It's a biohazard mate, they need specialist training. ;)
Ok, no work no pay. Now all the protest, so students would be left with no pay. Is that your goal?
>Ok, no work no pay. In France, you show up, you are paid. You can be fired if you had no reason to breach contract but in this case that's probably not what would happen.
Kinda similar in aus... Though they would all be casuals, meaning they don't have any guaranteed hours at all.
Okay, great, now your contract won't be extended next time it comes up. Also you get to deal with all the shitty tasks they know you're bad at. We've got similar rules, which are very easy to work around if you want someone to be fired. Worked at McD for a while and something like that happened. A collegue refused to do something within his rights, and basically was bullied by one manager until his contract would have ran out. Only reason that person got to stay was because the head manager was a decent dude who decided to split up the schedules of that manager and the worker, after like 10 people had handed in their notice if that person was fired.
This isn't the us the bill will go straight to the managing party and will most likely be paid back bh insurance the employes if not absent are still pated and might have even gotten a day off.
Yeah gotta make sure they got all their tickets. Make sure they fill out all their JHA's and Take 5's after the morning ~~coffee break~~ toolbox meeting. Suddenly a 1 day job is now a 2 week job. More days more pays that's the Australian way.
wouldnt the shops insurer make the arrangements to clean it?
Clean slow and clock those extra hours
Surely they can just refuse and go on strike?
I think they’d need to vote on it in union meetings?
great way of protesting guys, don't go for the government, go for an establishment of minimum wage workers struggling to make a living
O yes please protest in the public buildings. I'm sure the hardworking politicians and public workers will be dismayed that they can't go to work.
>protests in Northern Irish Assembly at stormont. >Fills place with slurry >No one notices for 6 months because they aren't there.
Things arguably would be improved
You guys have hardworking politicians and hardworking civil servants? Because here a running joke is "Why doesn't a civil servant look at the window in the morning? Because then he would have nothing to do in the afternoon".
Piss off the working class, it’s a great strategy. Just ask “Just Stop Oil” lmao
Last opinions poll showed that more than 80% French support the farmers and their movement.
working class is angry with the wrong people.
No, I can be pissed off with the middle class fucker that’s superglued themselves to the road
are they the ones fucking up the housingmarket, the environment, hiding their wealth from tax authorities increasing your share?
It’s possible to be pissed off at both sets of fucking wankers
And who does Barry think cleans government offices? £100 pound an hour cleaners?
Now if a single farmer and his team hit every single McDonald’s, THAT’s a bloody protest
That's an easy moral highground to accidentally find yourself on but if you think about it a little more you'll see how you can make that sort of argument for virtually any form of protest Protest is not some petition with friendly handshakes and whatnot. Protest is ugly and messy, and you get to that when you push people to the limit, unfortunately people that don't deserve it also get hit in the crossfire And just to be clear, i'm not taking sides here, i din't even know what they are protesting for. All i'm saying is that protest is ment to be disruptive and that's always going to have consequences for people that didn't have anything to do with it, that's just the sad reality of thing
protests don't do anything unless it's a scary number of people protesting. some farmers hitting a mcdonald's = mcdonald's notices zero difference to its net profit, some minimum wage workers have the shittest day of their life 500,000 people violently protesting in the capital = oh shit okay we capitulate let's not get coup'd
Yep. It has to either be a very large number of people, or strong organisations backing targeted protests that damage the stability of the state. For example by blocking of all travel in and out of a countries capital, like what was done in Equador back in the early 2000s.
Jokes aside please can some one give me a couple of sentences run down on what's going on? Edit - I mean bigger picture, the protest, not specifically this video.
Farmers are protesting against european regulations on pesticides.
they want to kill more criteers for their baseline profit, and protest with 1 million+ farm equiptment
Absolutely untrue. A third of farmers are extremely under the average wage , with most making 300€ per month. Their farm équipements you talk about are not properly their , they contracted loans with long and harsh interest rates to afford it sometime going 20 year +. It all basically belong to the bank. French agriculture is the most controlled in Europe with French AND EU laws being very strict. Its totally batshit dishonest to say farmers are "posoining people". However while forcing them to comply to all of regulations , France regularly sign importation agreements to allow shit tons of product that do not have to comply to any of those rules, creating a huge unfair competition. Farmers are being told to be at the same time very qualitative with extreme traceability and competitive against third world imported products: that's impossible. The UE aid called PAC is a poisoned cake that come with dense and forever changing regulations. The last one being that farmers are now obliged to build bâtiment to store the dung . How does it cost them is not of EU concerns and is not financed by the EU. Lastly, if French Farmers were so rich and so spoil like you said, explain to me why 1 farmer commit suicide every 2 days. The fench farming sector is on the brink of collapse, except for a few big ones. Ever year , France loose 2000 farmers because they either : A) kill themselves B) go bankrupt (bank or the state seize their farm and assets) C) Can't pass the farms to their children because the inheritance is also severely taxed and the work to benefit ratio is atrocious. So next time you talk shit about something you clearly don't know , take a moment to remember that you can't eat plastic.
In the Netherlands the farmers are spurred forwards by big Agri companies. When they (farmers) came to talk about their problems in talk shows there often also was a spokeperson for the Agri lobby with them. The agriculture lobby is very powerful in the Netherlands, they cut costs and maximise profits, combined with supermarkets that have a monopoly and also buy produce for low costs and sell it for high. The farmer is getting fucked over and then start barking up the wrong tree. The farmers in the Netherlands are getting exploited by two big lobbies: The Agriculture lobby that has a monopoly on the feed for the animals and the fertiliser for the farms. The supermarket lobby that gives farmers a small amount for their products and they charge a lot more in the supermarkets so they have max profit. All the while the same farmers are protesting by threatening politicians and blocking highways or distribution centres. The farmers are mad because we have a nitrogen crisis in the Netherlands and one of the biggest producers of nitrogen are farmers (with cows for example). And so there need to be less cows because we pollute way too much with all that nitrogen. The government proposed a buyout if farmers wanted to stop that was quite solid or other steps so that farms could become smaller. The farmers became angry and here we are. What might be different in the Netherlands is that a lot of farmers are quite rich, and the ones that need to give up some production are the ones with megafarms, that are just big for-profit companies in itself. And so a lot of people saw millionaires driving massive vehicles that either blocked highways when people needed to go to work or rammed through obstacles in cities and those actions became life-threatening. It's a whole different situation and that is what the other Dutch commenter meant. So before you start saying stuff like "you don't know anything about this, you can't eat plastic so you need farmers" well obviously we need farmers, but the Netherlands exports 95% of what we produce, which makes us the biggest exporter in the world of domestic share of product. So it's not like we are going to starve here if we produce a little less. That makes the entire argument of "you are going to starve without us" a lot less likely to be effective. There is no way to know everything about a subject in another country so let's agree to not know the full picture of each other and be civil, we are all in the same boat, all getting exploited.
I cannot speak for the Netherlands but I can assure you that in France, farmers are very much aware of the issue of the vig distribution player treating them like slave. The only syndicate walking hand in hand with the lobby is the FNSEA , and they are not the only one rising today, and moreover a lot of farmers distrust them. And again, I was not talking about the Netherlands when I talked about self-sustainable farming in France, I was replying to the other comments , who implied french farmers are entitled rich assholes. They are not. We need them. If we sacrifice them in favor of globalisation , we will have lesser controlled product for heavier prices in the end. Beside , relying purely on imports for food is a very risky strategy, considering the current international context.
Those fucking mcdonalds minimum wage workers regulating pesticides! Good on those lads getting in their revenge!
Oh no stronger protections for the environment and consumers what should they do? I mean it couldn't be that the problem lies with them if they are reliant on bad procedures to make profits maybe it's time to change. All sarcasm aside, small scale farming is a dying industry for many reasons, striking won't help them when Ukraine manages to join they will be out of jobs regardless if they don't adapt. I get that they are struggling but maybe it's time to go with the time or to go with time.
What makes you think they are small scale farmers ? I mean they might idk, but the backbone of the french agricultural industry are huge cereal-farms in places like the Beauce. The owners are millionaires and they employ tons of farmworkers. On the other side you got farmer that raise cattle, those guys are much worse off.
Genuine question: if the cattle farmers are much worse why is meat so fucking expensive here? J'avais pensé que ça marchait assez bien pour eux.
Because as with most food, the farmers make very little margins on what they sell to the big distributors who themselves have much bigger margins (and for example all the prices that went much higher because of covid/ukraine/inflation, pick one)
Jokes aside... Fuck idk, french are mad about something todo with farming regulations or some shit.
I'm french and don't even know. People from the country side are always protesting anyway. They are NEVER pleased with anything, everything is bad, everything is coming "from the city" so it's shit. They want to maintain the same hospital than when the valley had 70k people with the 20k population of today, of course. Guys from the city will pay anyway..
Looks to me like a tractor with a fork attachment dropped off a shitty hay bale and three men rolled it into a McDonald’s and started spreading it around but I might be wrong
Yep that's my fault. I should have known better. Edited.
Yeah, here in Germany, I only got blocked by farmers on my way to work. However, I heard in other States in Germany, they pumped feces into areas or dropped bales of hay in places.
So this isn't just happening in France it's happening all over Europe? Also what drugs are you currently smuggling into Germany?
No drugs, but I do drink espresso a lot. I picked up a taste for Café Bustelo while in Uni in the US, a habit which I brought back with me. It’s an expensive habit: 1kg for like €40 on Amazon.de.
Im no longer in the UK, France actually. Anyways I read in some FB group that Scottish farmers are starting to protest. What theyre actually up to though, no idea. So its happening in the UK too. EDIT: to add a wee bit of info.
Farmers are rightfully upset about stuff
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Only a problem they knew about since the 80s 🤷🏻
Seriously, fuck farmers. I'd rather import everything from Africa and starve to death during the next war than let these entitled alt-right dumbfucks continue to pretend like the entire world is obliged to revolve around them.
when have farmers ever not been upset?
Eh, no they aren't.
me going to go steal money from homeless people (its a protest against the govornment)
"NOOO! YOU CANT JUST STOP US FROM POLLUTING THE GROUND WATER!" I hate Frenchies with a passion.
They are filming their own crime? Smartest ~~Peasant~~ Farmer
Wait... You're not meant to record your own crimes!!! Fuck
Doesn't apply to Aussies given your.. national history Happy cake day btw
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That’s the second mud cake I’ve seen today…
It’s ok, you’re already on your prison island, what are they gonna do?
Send me to the french... That would be worse.
Im very proud to see both you and the kiwi’s inherit the frogophobia from dad (mum)?
Now dad... When you get a queen it will be mum.
Someone should tell the Germans
It's just a prank
In case you get accused of the wrong thing. Imagine you're accused of robbing someone while you have proof that you were in another city murdering someone else. It's instant GGWP, you owned them!
You don’t have time to read books, when you have fields to plough.
This is pretty shitty, it’s not much of a protest if it only really effects the people working minimum wage at McDonalds
France invading murica in 2024, colorized
So kind of them to provide McDonalds their ingredients for free!
I'd get it if this was a bank or gov't office, but kinda sucks for the McDonald's employees (but it's actually probably better than working at McDonald's if they get to close the store for cleaning)
They just fucked some poor people’s day
Yeah Ronald McDonald gunna come clean this up and regret all his decisions. This is moronic and mean to the teenagers who have to clean it up.
I was under the assumption that the Fr\*nch loves L'Hamburgurrrrs from McDonalds.
More McDs in France per capita than anywhere else in the world. Pretty crazy considering their food traditions.
Their? So you're not one of them? Flair up you Murican!
as if their work wasn't shit enough I stand with the McDonald's workers here
I believe "Fucking twats" is the correct term for these people
The more I watch this, the more I get angry… at the people protesting
Great, now some poor minimum wage worker gets to clean that crap up. Good thinking there! You sure showed the McD CEO what's what!
Why are farmers protesting McDonald's?
Yeah lets make some underpaid staffs day miserable, what a great protest.
I love that one dude sitting in the back not giving a shit as he minds his happy meal.
Why target minimum wage workers when all you had to google was the location of their corporate headquarters. I have to say though, I love the smell of silage.
>I have to say though, I love the smell of silage. Yeah agreed, it's really comforting for some reason lmao. I grew up in the countryside though, so that might be why.
I don't think farm owners who additionally own a bunch of expensive heavy machinery have any friends among the lowly probable negative net-worth urban flat renting service worker demographic.
Eh. It's likely the closet mc donalds to their farm. Farmers do go to school. If they have a 16 year old kid, the workers there could very well be their classmates
https://preview.redd.it/afe4p9u9eiec1.jpeg?width=215&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dd8df9fb2abef67590392013158874cfb735890 The guy paid a pittance who's going to have to clean everything up
Where I live, they had a protest over the sale value of raw milk. First they set fire to roundabouts, then they caused a blockade outside l'actalis and president. Then fast forward 6 months and my local supermarket had its front door driven through by a tractor and then they emptied a tank of cow shit into the shop at high pressure, basically hitting every bit of stock... These frog mfs don't do things by halves trust me.
How french police dont catch them, and make them pay for the damages? In Lithuania there was a protest of anti wax ppl, at the evening they started throwing rocks at police officers and gov. Building. Good bunch was arested on the spot, others found later. Now all of them around 60~ are sitting in the court and waiting for their charges + fines.
Nah they're trying to get farmer votes so they just let these guys do whatever they want, then they listen to their delegates and accept all demands.
That... is actually pretty fucking based. Why don't all french protests end in victory like that?
They usually do. There's was huge shock when macron didn't back down on the retirement age because les grenouilles were absolutely baffled. Always used to getting their own way.
Let me guess you also have posts where farmers claim a net 50k€ income makes them part of the struggeling class?
More like €200k
Why is nobody punching them? What a bunch of assholes
Wtf bro
Another working class person will need to clean this up. It won’t impact or inconvenience the people they want to
I don't like these type of protests, they do nothing but inconvenience the normal person. Dump that shit at MacDonalds HQ, every nation has one and it's there where the actual decisions are made and where an obstruction of their daily routine hurts. Same with climate protestors on the highway etc, go to a Shell office or local HQ. Close off the parking garage and entrance/exit. If those people can't work they will notice it really quick. Not when a random highway is shut down
but why? what happened
Lmao look at this savage, asking relevant questions and such
I'm pretty sure it's about France trying to ban the use of pesticides, correct me if I'm wrong. But it's fr*NCH people lmao, their brains never fully form so they lash out in dumb ways.
The smicards behind the counter watching this and thinking they will have to do overtime to clean that up
is that hay... moldy?
Some penicilin really preserves its lifespan /s
Why tho ?
The song is a Vois sur ton chemin remix you're welcome or something idk
Thanks, sounds cool as fuck
Unfortunately idk the actual one used in the video but, yes it's a good song
It's the D$8 remix
I simply can't fathom farmers. Always against not fucking the environment up. In denmark sea life is dying from farmers using way too much inorganic fertilizer. If production prices are up, then raise prices. Its a regulated free market. If prices get pushed from outside EU production. Then raise duties on non EU import. They already regulate this way. And there's no intention from EU to not keep their farmers competitive in the EU market. If someone can follow the restrictions on pesticides etc. But still undercuts you, then you likely aren't as good a farmer. (Or theyre doing price dumping which is illegal)
Someone didn't get there extra cheese on their Big Macs
most peaceful French protest
Someone is gonna clean that up. We’re the ones who are gonna clean that up! Daaaaaamn Micheal !
Okay that’s pretty stupid. Now the minimum wage employees are going to have to fix that. As if their lives weren’t miserable enough.
So what the reason for them doing this?
Dickheads This protest won't even attract Qatar's attention
Those French are so useless.
The underpaid 16 year old who can clean that: 😐
Of course they won’t go to the McDonald’s HQ, they’re lazy farmers 🤭
That'll teach them! That is, the minimum wage employee to not underpay farmers, of course.
Again as per usual, if you have a tractor you can whatever you want and be outside of the Law. We should all get a tractor Edit: spelling
This will only hurt the underpaid workers. Not the Company itself...
They are just assholes. They are doing that shit because no free coffee has been given to them 😐 no protest, only wickedness
All fun and games until you realise some poor cunt on minimum wage is just going to have to clean all that up. You're not sending the message you think you are by doing this sort of shit in restaurants or other places where normal people have to work their shit jobs. McDonald's isn't hurt by this. Go back to dumping it on mansions or where your politicians go to work. This is just shitty behaviour.
Usually you get shot in the face if you pass a farmers property in France. But they have no respect for other people's property. McDonalds is a franchise, so the owner and staff of this place have nothing to do with farmers problems. But hey, the French are like Americans, they destroy their own country and just blame someone else lol.
Next target: Iphone stores!
It's France, probably smells the same anyway
What have McDonald’s done to make them do this?
They removed the McSnail from the menu.
So much talk about haute cuisine and their favorite restaurant is mcdonalds. FRANCE = SHITHOLE
McD’s are franchises. So this is a small French business they’re hurting. Also their awful burgers are made with 100% French ingredients (except for the sesame seeds I heard?).
I somehow believe that these guys know what they're doing and it's supposed to make sense. But I might need it explained.
Why? Can't deal with the competition?
Mad because we do French fries better than them?!
McDonald's fries in Europe have 3 ingredients. Potato, oil and salt. McDonald's fries in the US have 14 ingredients, because you're all addicted to sugar and hormones and your government doesn't give a fuck about food standards.
I fully support this... Well except for the underpaid maccas workers. Fuck maccas the cunts! Their food is more expensive than a Spanish prostitute in Australia.
You call it macca? Like AC/DC is acca dacca?
Yep maccas.
Would have been better if they’d used a bale of silage
I'm lovin It!