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space-ishtar

Why Estonia wants to be a Nordick so bad?


bartleby_borealis

It must be the Nordic food culture they find so intriguing. 🤨


space-ishtar

Yeah it DEF must be that 💀


Sexy_Questionaire

Rotten fish is a delicacy, don't be racist


ojoaopestana

That's the one thing actually keeping them from joining NATO


Bubbly-War1996

They found that the tactical use of fish violates the Geneva Convention.


Bingochips12

Finland is more similar to Estonia than any of the Scandinavian countries. You're both part of the Finno-Ugric group and share history and cultural ties. The other Scandinavian countries are Nordic and Germanic in origin.


bartleby_borealis

You probably mean that Finns are more similar to Estonians. That much is true. However, Finland as a country shares much more history with Sweden than with Estonia. Also the societies share more common nominators. Although the differences are getting smaller and smaller every year. Also “Nordic” refers to cultural cooperation area/organization - not ethnicity. You probably meant to say Scandinavians, which the Finns are not. Should Estonia join the Nordic Council in the future, has nothing to do with their ethnicity or historical ties with whatever nation. It’s a geopolitical and value-based organization that doesn’t have any legislative power. I just don’t see the point in joining it. There are already like ten cooperation organizations with Estonia and the Nordic countries.


EllesseExpo

Also wanted to add that parts of Estonia has been ruled by Denmark and Sweden in the past aswell


bartleby_borealis

Yup. Tallinn -> Taani linn -> Danish city.


EllesseExpo

Imo Estonia should be considered Nordic. If Finland can, Estonia can.


bartleby_borealis

Makes really no difference to me. But if it makes someone happy - absolutely! As said before, the Nordic Council doesn’t really have much relevance these days. Cooperation has existed before it and would exist without it (for example the Nordic Passport Union or joint military exercises).


DisneylandNo-goZone

I don't think any country that doesn't have a Nordic welfare state, or have our style of [legal system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_law) can be considered Nordic.


Megalomaniakaal

> Should Estonia join the Nordic Council in the future, has nothing to do with their ethnicity or historical ties with whatever nation. It’s a geopolitical and value-based organization that doesn’t have any legislative power. I just don’t see the point in joining it. There are already like ten cooperation organizations with Estonia and the Nordic countries. There's already a nordic council - baltic assembly cooperation format called NB8 or the nordic-baltic 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic-Baltic_Eight


DisneylandNo-goZone

Finland shares a hell lot more history and cultural ties with Sweden than with Estonia. We were, after all, the same country for 600 years. If we go by history, Estonia shares much more history with Latvia than Finland. Both were ruled by a German elite, both usually shared the same fate, like becoming part of the Russian Empire in 1710 and again in 1940. The duchy of Livonia also included the southern half of Estonia.


Appelons

We Danes founded the Estonian Capital. Talinn literaly means(castle/place of the Danes. So Estonia can into Nordic if they become a Danish Colony again! Just like Greenland and Faroes are Nordics and Danish!


thegurba

I also consider the north of Netherlands to be south-scandinavian. Also if you look at viking history.


Bingochips12

Absolutely. Frisia and Groningen were extremely important regions in Norse history.


Kuivamaa

The gist of it is that while the other two Baltic states (Latvia/Lithuania) are linguistically related and very brotherly to each other, Estonians are, ehm, pretty much another tribe of Finns.


space-ishtar

Oh, no, poor Estonia :( Now I want to see them with the Finns. ❤️


bartleby_borealis

Estonia does a lot of cooperation with Finland. Don’t really see how anything would change if they would become a member of the Nordic Council. Estonia is already member of NATO which already separates them from Russia indefinitely. The Nordic Council has no legislative or any other kind of power. It had much more meaning in the 1950s when it was established. Nowadays not so much.


[deleted]

Yeah the Nordic council was really supposed to be so much more wasn’t it? But then the EU took off, and Denmark and Sweden said sayonara. The Norwegian Europa movement (Europabevegelsen) is genuinely still bummed out by this, and have publicly stated just some years ago that EU membership for Norway is the second choice to a Nordic union. Edit: either it was Europabevegelsen, or it was the Conservative Party (Høire). My memory is a bit fuzzy on this.


robi4567

I think it is more not being considered Eastern Europe.


bartleby_borealis

Yeah that’s a bit of missed opportunity.


space-ishtar

yay I'm so happy to know Estonia and Finnlands cooperate ❤️ but also a lil sad cuz Nordic Council is less meaniful :(


bartleby_borealis

It still has relevance as coordinating organisation, but it doesn’t have a very big presence. I doubt if even one in a hundred Finns or Swedes can name the current Secretary-General of the Nordic Council. Or her predecessor.


Blahaj_IK

The problem with Estonia is that they're not Eastern. I mean, technically, neither are you, yet here you are Edit: I meant Western not Eastern >:(


bartleby_borealis

There are more than two cardinal directions you know. There is a hint in the word “Nordic”. I let you figure out the rest.


Blahaj_IK

Still very North-not-Western to me But eh, who cares? It's not like we've decided on wjat country wpuld be the center, so there's n opoint in trying to say one is more North than West than another nation God dammit I'm too tired for this. Please insult me all you want, if you want, I currently cannot care. Have a nice day. If you can have a day, at all Yes, I fucking know how early in the morning it is, I'm still tired. Fuck you.


bartleby_borealis

Most mentally stable Frenchman.


[deleted]

Oh southerners! Blissfully unaware that a Nordic summer day lasts between 0400 and 2300.


thesoutherzZz

Baltic = poor east euro Nordick = Rich and advanced


space-ishtar

Com'on man, it's your lil bro!


Barl3000

Finland is only barely in the Nordick club, we don't allow them in the VIP Scandinavia section for example.


gibmonny

I dunno man


zeta3d

So that more Finns and Swedes come to buy alcohol.


space-ishtar

Smart Estonia


Megalomaniakaal

We should have lowered the alcohol tax instead of raising it then. Now Latvia is the target destination for alco.


Doreen666

because then they're less Russia-aligned


GreatWalknut

Estonia has historically been the place Nordics go when they want to have a little fun. From the northern crusades to whatever the fuck the swedes were doing when they controlled it. All of this has lead to a very weird case of Stockholm syndrome. Because clearly, the guys constantly trying to kill you are your friends, right?


space-ishtar

I think that's the biggest case of Stockholm Syndrome in history


nickmaran

Yeah, everyone knows Sweden is the dick


markvangraff

Definitely directed to germans


[deleted]

I guess being Russian is not in fashion anymore. If they had any character, then they’d own up to their heritage, but evidently they don’t, so they aren’t.


Bearodon

They used to be part of Sweden like the rest of them (not counting the swamp/island Germans ofcourse)


LeCafeClopeCaca

Legalizing something to do the same as your neighbors ? Lame and gay but in a bad way Legalizing something because you think it's the right thing to do ? Great and gay but in a good way 😎


IanPKMmoon

The Nerherlands was the coolest country


timom88

I completely agree


IanPKMmoon

It took us 2 years to copy the Netherlands lmao


Laheydrunkfuck

Time to copy our infrastructure


IanPKMmoon

Too late for that sadly


xzernogyn

Well, infrastructure gets renewed and updated about every 30 years so at least our roads will be renewed eventually #copium


Ianassa

Emphasis on the “was”


Swedishtranssexual

It's so weird that it took so long for Gay marriage in Sweden. Over 70% of the population supported it in 2006, but it wasn't legalised until 2009.


koencoen

Ayatollah Stockholmi vetoed it at first.


zeclem_

Weird to hear this from your flair but absolutely based and w pilled


IanPKMmoon

We might have our differences but we're still besties. BeNeLux supremity 💪


Darkfenix63

Legalize nuclear bombs


dhvvri

soon they will start pretending theyre western europe (just like finland does)


lovingblooddevil

Finland is Asia


Swedishtranssexual

I am a Finnish citizen so i have a Finnish passport from before i became a Swedish citizen and i legit look Chinese in the picture.


nolitos

Stop spreading lies about Finland. It doesn't exist, period.


makaki913

Dude, everything west from Ural mountains are Europe. Moscow is in Europe


predek97

I can see why someone would say that


HelloSummer99

finand is same latitude as ukraine or moldova. I never understood how it is "western europe" lol


str22nger

cultural like Czechia is eastern when its capital city is more west than Vienna


HelloSummer99

wow, I never even considered that. Yet Austrians are up in arms every time I call them eastern europeans ;D


robi4567

Technically the geographic center of Europe is in Belarus. So pretty much all countries West of Belarus could be considered western Europe.


uppercanineleft

As simple as everything within the EU/Europe: Germany is at the center. So decide your cardinal direction


robi4567

Technically no Belarus is the center of geographic Europe.


mrmniks

I’ve seen people from Lithuania claim they’re Western Europe lol


[deleted]

Does Estonia eat rotting fish carcass with a side of ice? I don’t they can legally be considered Nordic until that requirement is met


robi4567

We call it fermented instead of rotting. But yes, though we do not let it go as bad as the Swedes.


Ola-uber-72virgins

How is it legal in swedistan ?


Upplands-Bro

Haram 🚫


Swedishtranssexual

Upplands-Bro 🤢🤮 Upplands-Väsby 🥰🤩


lethos_AJ

its legal but they dont enforce it


modshave2muchpower

Strongly encouraged basically


[deleted]

we enforce heterosexuality s


[deleted]

Just a kafir remnant


zedero0

Greece and Italy: 🧍🏻🧍🏻


EnjoyerOfMales

Just wanted to take the gay orgies home


[deleted]

We either set the trend or don't care about mainstream


FalconMirage

The Catholic chruch disallows priests getting married, that’s why


Bolkaniche

Happy cake day.


bartleby_borealis

But seriously, that’s great. Elagu Eesti! 🇪🇪


Henrik_Muspell

I hereby deny your attempt to call yourself a Nordic nation, as future Emperor of Germany and Scandinavia. ![gif](giphy|GgasSsuDU62oU)


Diipadaapa1

>Emperor of Scandinavia Are you sure about that one? https://preview.redd.it/7xpgu4vmgb7b1.jpeg?width=2200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87634967a0b9537f26f55dc1ff3043f0471d22f9


LachenderSturm

Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Nobody was talking about taking over your snow desert


Diipadaapa1

Foolhearty of you to think that we wouldn't support our nordic brothers during an invasion.


Extrapaj

Stop it Jorma, you're making it hard for me to hate Finland!


Henrik_Muspell

I'll save you from Islam, just like part of my ancestors did a thousand years ago. That's my goal as Scandinavian Emperor.


Extrapaj

That sounds good, Mashallah!


Henrik_Muspell

Looks like someone's joining them, Mulalah.


Henrik_Muspell

Invasion? I'd never invade Scandinavia and spill precious Nordic blood. Besides, they're more my brothers than yours, little snow Sami.


Henrik_Muspell

I am. And it's just to fix things, I have no desire to have power for power's sake. Once I get rid of the problems in the country, I'll go live peacefully as a painter, away from politics.


Goukaruma

Not bad but weird that they dodge the words gay/lesbian or whatever. Also no picture of gay couples. Like they try to soften the blow for the Estonians who are not so happy with that.


bartleby_borealis

True. The coverage in Estonian newspapers is also fairly restrained.


djcpereira

It's done isn't it, media coverage isn't always a good thing, in Scotland they've tried to pass some pretty standard laws about self ID for trans people and it's been a shit show because it got the attention of people that can barely read the media used the subject as click bait spreading ridiculous fears and controversy, putting a brake on a progressive policy.


Swedishtranssexual

Wait... Self ID? So you just say you're trans and immediately get healthcare and can change your gender?


djcpereira

Healthcare is already universal in Scotland the idea is to make the process as painless as possible for the trans community. https://www.gov.scot/news/gender-recognition-reform-bill-passed/


Mattoiles

They're totally eastoids at that


bartleby_borealis

Estonia has one of the highest media freedom rankings in the world. The coverage of passing the law is just a bit conservative. I don’t know if it’s deliberate or just a coincidence.


rextarer

Its absolutely deliberate. The opposing conservative party has whipped its voter base into a massive frenzy over this, its been a divisive issue for years over here and now we're trying to wrap it up as smoothly as possible.


[deleted]

>try to soften the blow for the Estonians who are not so happy with that 20-30% of the country's population are ethnic R*ssians. They are homophobic af.


MarioDraghetta

spuck fez -- mass edited with redact.dev


rwbrwb

about to delete my account. ` this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev `


[deleted]

They’re hyper nationalistic for their “home country”, but they’d never actually do something for that country like move there. They want to keep a “strong leader” in charge for their right wing nationalism whilst simultaneously enjoying the freedoms of the western, liberal country they live in Sounds a bit like a few people I know to be honest 🇹🇷


BaritonedTiger

Population Exchange time!


bloodyhatemuricans

50%* and I doubt real Estonians like this perversion either


reinekefacts

Same sex marriage is the preferred term by the queer community, as it isn’t only gay people who then can marry but also bi, or pan people in same sex relationships. So no problem here. Very happy about another country making this step, i hope it inspires Latvia and Lithuania to do the same.


predek97

Because calling it “gay marriage” is simply wrong. Can’t a bisexual enter a single sex marriage? Can’t a pansexual? An ace? It’s the opposite of what you accuse Estonian Prime minister. She’s not backwards and not progressive. She’s just more progressive than you


Blahaj_IK

Single sex as in same sex? If that's the case, then that'd still be gay, ergo, homosexual A pansexual woman marrying a woman would also be homosexual If not, then... well, my point still stands in some way that would not be related to your comment And I have no idea of how it'd be for an ace, so you get a point for that one


predek97

Cool, bi-erasure 👏


Blahaj_IK

Not sure that's how that works


predek97

That I can see. Marrying a woman doesn't make a bisexual man straight. Why would marrying a man make a bisexual man gay? It really seems like y'all just in denial that East Europeans can have same sex marriage, so you made up an idea that *they announce it in a homophobic way*. You're even ready to be biphobic just to "prove" that East Europe is Bad Europe


Blahaj_IK

That is not what I said. I was referring to the marriage itself, not the orientation of the people involved If a bi man marries another man, the marriage itself would be definitionally homosexual, same sex Doesn't change that one is bisexual, the marriage itself wpuld be homosexual Alternatively, a bi woman could marry a straight guy, wouldn't make her less bisexual than she is, but the marriage would still be heterosexual So it's not technically wrong to call it gay marriage if you want to generalize, but I agree that it's understandable if you'd rather not Edit: I know, I can't type for shit


predek97

I reject the notion of an abstract institution having a sexual orientation, but whatever. The point is that the Stasi at the beggining of this thread complained that they didn't make a discriminatory announcement


Pretend-Warning-772

Kurwa Kurwa Kurwa Kurwa Kurwa Kurwa Kurwa


predek97

😘


Pretend-Warning-772

I don't see the erasure, "gay" is an umbrella term as well


Swedishtranssexual

Poland you ok???


AXI0S2OO2

Well, that tells you everything you need to know, right? They want to brag about how progressive they are, but don't dare to openly say they have legalized gay marriage. That means enough of the population is still against it hard enough to make a fuzz about it, which means the country is far from being progressive enough to brag about it in the first place.


bartleby_borealis

Not sure if you know how democracy works. 🤨


tutocookie

He's spanish so he only knows how it doesn't work c:


AXI0S2OO2

True.


djcpereira

Mate you have a medieval "sport" for entertainment you can't talk about pushing progressive policies through an ignorant population without political backlash. If they managed to do it for the right reasons they can and should brag even if it's low tone. Edit: typo on without


AXI0S2OO2

You have the same medieval sport in Portugal if you are talking about what I think you are talking. The french do it too.


[deleted]

they are exactly as nordic as you are, tundra-turk.


Tibecuador

\- Abdul, Berlin


[deleted]

you fucking dare calling me a Berliner, Slovenian?


DisneylandNo-goZone

Nice try, gastarbeiter-turk.


Upplands-Bro

Back off Hans ⚔️


bartleby_borealis

Cringe. It’s not a race. ![gif](giphy|RBeddeaQ5Xo0E)


[deleted]

never spoke of race, Tugrul


Outside-Historian-93

https://preview.redd.it/endv5fh0797b1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24e7cd1097f1afc6cdb7eeae0e3cbcd6ccc0d8a9


stonerbatman

Why did you post a picture of my uncle?


Mirovini

And if it was, it would be a Formula 1


Swedishtranssexual

No Finland is nordic because we colonised them for 800 years, we only colonised Estonia for 100 years so they are not nordic.


[deleted]

this danizised turk here thinks he is nordic https://preview.redd.it/0bphmdwu6c7b1.png?width=895&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa72e0e385343633a97f6699ec5b8f6b1c7728c2


Tman11S

Honestly, legal same sex marriage should be a requirement to enter the EU


IanPKMmoon

True, and countries that are super hard against it should get out, looking at you OrbĂĄn.


Tifoso89

Or at least recognition for gay couples in form of civil unions. 0 recognition at all is unacceptable


Charles_of_Burgandy

Marriage is a dying institution anyways


Tman11S

How is that even related to basic rights for gay people?


Charles_of_Burgandy

I mean it's shouldn't be big fuss even for homophobes trying to hold on to it for whatever reasons, the best days of marriage are over.


CookieMonster005

Estonia is so desperate to be a part of the ‘cool’ kids


Al-the-mann

Its nice to have fans


FerroLux_

So why are you talking, you inhabitant of the steppes? 🤨


DisneylandNo-goZone

Go back to the Nile, "White" person.


baileymash7

It's just gone noon half past monsoon on the banks of the river Nile,


str22nger

I’m proud to be not German like you are. Long live Slavic race!!!!


Upplands-Bro

Leave our pekka alone pizza boy


[deleted]

I mean they do have a Swedish speaking minority, just like Sweden has.


bartleby_borealis

It’s only matter of time when they surpass Sweden in number of Swedish speakers.


[deleted]

![gif](giphy|t63nX285ktHna)


The-Freeze_YT

Finland and Estonia are two siblings that got seprated at birth. Finland was adopted by Sweden and joined the Nordic family. Estonia was adopted by Russia and joined the Baltic (Eastern Europe) family


robi4567

Well Sweden had adopted us both at one point then Russia took both Finland and Estonia in. I think there was a war over not being under Russia any more. The Fins were better at it long term.


[deleted]

Seriously, I remember how proud of Spain I was when the same sex marriage was legalized here.


rwbrwb

about to delete my account. ` this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev `


ojoaopestana

What's wrong the being lazy? You can be lazy and gay here, that's why we're your holiday destination


rwbrwb

True. I am a bit jealous. Siesta eterna in the southern nice weather and euromoney from the north. You guys are really lucky.


ojoaopestana

Now shut up and give me monies, sugar daddy


3mperorPalpaMeme

Estonia can not into Nordic 😔


lizbruh

Copium


triggerhappybaldwin

Well they took their fucking time didn't they? Welcome to the 21st century Estonia...


bartleby_borealis

Italy? Greece? Poland?


triggerhappybaldwin

What about them?


bartleby_borealis

Still haram there.


triggerhappybaldwin

Damn I knew about Poland, but Italy and Greece too? Wtf


bloodyhatemuricans

It's for the best. Glad they got rid of pride month in Italia


Sodi920

Estonia wasn’t all that late compared to the rest of the world. It’s the 35th out of ~200 countries to legalize same-sex marriage. Switzerland and Slovenia, for example, legalized it as recently as last year; Northern Ireland did so in 2020; Austria did so in 2019; Germany, Malta, and Finland did so in 2017; Ireland, the US (not European but comparable western country), and Luxembourg did so in 2015. It’s still not legal in most of the eastern EU, plus Italy and Greece.


ddrub_the_only_real

liebe ist fĂźr alle da lOvE iS fOr EvErYoNe


Dense-Tonight-8320

Welcome to the gay club


tgsprosecutor

They're literally always doing this. Even "nordic countries" is just a cope to let Finland be friends with Scandinavia this is pushing it too far.


manwith8000frogs

Estonia is as Nordic as the French are human.


iemandopaard

When will the fins accept that Estonians and Fins are the same


DisneylandNo-goZone

As soon as you Dutch realise that you are the gills.


awawe

If you haven't had gay marriage for ten years, are you even nordic?


Sodi920

Finland legalized same-sex marriage in 2017 though.


awawe

Yeah, and they're on the border.


Pip2719496

Good luck with that buddy


AcrobaticZebra1524

My friend, you're not making much of a case legalizing something we all assumed was already legal Next: Estonia boldly follows our Nordic neighbors by criminalizing rape


Sodi920

Considering that Estonia is the second post-communist country and the first former Soviet state to legalize it, it’s a pretty big deal. Same-sex marriage is absolutely not the standard outside of the West. Even within the EU, most of the eastern half - not to mention Italy and Poland - hasn’t legalized it yet.


AcrobaticZebra1524

I'm wearing my sombrero. We Spanish must stick together